@@hourbee5535 We have rules against this in Europe and North America. Even COLOMBIA has rules against structures close to runways. This airport should pay compensation. 100% their fault. Everyone was alive when the plane landed a perfectly normal belly landing.
Thought so, but it still faster than it needed even with the landing gear, maybe the pilot is in dilema, at split second he saw those wall and decide to elevate the plane? *Just a big maybe and a logic for this situation.
The airport is closed to international flights, but the day after the president was impeached, a leftist political party changed it to allow international flights🫢 Politically-built airports for left-leaning regions
To be fair, the pilots landed midway on the runaway, leaving the airliner only half a runway for an emergency landing. This really is starting to look like pilot misjudgment. A bird strike might have shut down one engine, this caused the pilots to panic, they rushed into a quick emergency landing. It makes no sense why their landing gear wasn't open, since there's no way for a bird strike to cause such a failure.
In the aviation industry it's usually that way; when a major fatality occurs then everything involved gets revisited and failure key points are addressed.Sad but true.
The pilots landed almost half way down on the runway. The runway is over 9,000 feet long (2,800 meters). Had they landed earlier AND cut power to engines, maybe they would have stopped long before hitting the wall at the end of the runway.
@@MM-te8tz I also thought about it, the video starts when the aircraft is alread touched down so we dont' really know (yet) for how long did they slide. I guess it was difficult to control the speed with one engine and some issues with hydraulics
@zeviono4562 Actually, kind of inexperienced, and they seem to lack training. The landing gear on the b737 can be manually lowered, and control surfaces can also be configured for emergency landing. Information from two b737 Captains.
Not one Korean media is focusing on the concrete wall at the end of the runway as the main cause of the mass casualty. It's like as if they were told not to do so. I hope many foreign people would visit the youtube channels of Korean media and tell them to focus on this fact. Korean ministry of infrastructure and transport announced that there was nothing wrong with the airport itself. This is a very strange time for my country.
Not just Korea, even in Hong Kong whereas media actually do notice the ''wall'', they immediately swivel and say it is a ''small mound to hold ILS equipment'', I have seen ILS equipment, they DO NOT NEED TO BE PLANTED on a massive slab of concrete.
Not that strange, really. Everytime a major disaster happens it turns into a tug of war between airline, government and manufacturer about who is to blame. It's honestly shameful, but I almost kind of understand... it is a major blow to the reputation to say "we are at fault here", no business wants that, and no government either, especially one that is already struggling right now.
@@Chenchenchen_pw99 short videos on Wechat are talking about the wall. I also installed my weibo, and searched key words (in Chinese): Korean air crash wall. There ARE comments about the wall. Many posts are asking why the wall is there.
As a Pilot, that was the first thing that came to my mind. Who the F*ck builds a Concrete wall at the and of a Runway. Thats so stupid, im sorry i cant say it different. After a Runway should always be an engineered material arresting system (EMAS). Everybody on board could have survived…
I was a pilot for 30 years. Pretty much every airport I’ve landed at had a chain link fence, which a plane will go right through. Airports usually anticipate things like this will happen, or at least they’re supposed to!
The airport CEO was protecting the property of his friend in front of the airport! Corruption in South Korea is still rampant as evidenced by the current political upheaval in the country!
@@Plutogalaxy The initial reports said they were in the air for a long time burning off fuel since the bird strike happened on the first attempt, the crash was the second attempt. They were supposed to initially land on runway 01 and ended up on 19. But I watched the news right after the accident. when everything was breaking.
The airplane landed the wrong way, normally planes land going the other way, its not uncommon to put stuff like that so the planes don't cuase alot of wind or updraft on private property, still it's kinda dumb not to have anything else, or a net or something, and the fact that it was concrete completely baffles me.
As a flight attendant one of my companies plane slid off the end of the runway on the US. Thank goodness there was dirt and a slight slope and just a chain link fence. No one was seriously hurt. I landed once at PHL with no landing gear, we also just slid on the belly of the plane until we came to a stop in a dirt embankment at the end of the runway. It scares me to think what would have happened if there was a wall there.
I couldn't agree more with David. Emergency landings and overruns could happen anytime. It's criminal to build such a deadly barrier at the end of the runway.
it's criminal for an aircraft to be going 150 knots across the ground while overrunning the runway, if that barrier wasn't there. the plane would've broken apart with that speed and the outcome would be just as tragic
@cwa4584 First of all it would have slown down much more and a concrete barrier creates a much larger explosion than running into a road with a power line.
The reason I can think of is that Korea is close to the sea and there may be frequent typhoons nearby. Concrete structures can reduce maintenance costs.
This analysis is significant. None of the SKorean medias are mentioning about the airport’s odd structure, but only speaking about bird strike on engines and landing gears failure. Some ppl suspects that it’s the government to avoid the responsibility of indemnification, distracting the point by blaming birds and aircraft’s technical failure so they can shift the responsibility to Jeju airline company..
We can all learn from this, to recognize similar blind spots of coverage or certain perspectives in our media, for the same reasons, because it’s in their financial or political interest to keep it slanted away from the truth (climate change, Luigi, how enslaved we are within our socioeconomic system, 9/11, and so on)
We are in South Korea, and are seeing all the media news and postings and I have not Seen ANY media talk about this wall being at the end of the runway. As if they dont want to mention it.
Opposition party doesn't want the truth. Since they are deeply related to the cause of the incident. This incident occurred Only 21 days after the opposition party gave permission for international flight to Muan airport, taking advantage of chaos admist continuous impeachments. Because of many reasons, the Muan airport was far from being appropriate to be international airport. Jeolla province is the dear home ground for Opposition party. The all concerned party must take responsibility for the cause of the incident.
After it was selected as the airport construction site, many Korean experts opposed it, and the basis for their opposition was very scientific and persuasive, but a local influential politician pushed ahead with the airport construction. The area has a migratory bird habitat that is very large even by global standards. After the airport was completed, it was not permitted to operate international flights until recently. Although it was permitted to operate international flights in December 2024, it was the result of politicians from local political parties pushing ahead. A major disaster occurred 21 days after the international flight permit was issued. It is an airport that was built solely for political interests and election purposes, ignoring aviation experts and scientific evidence. It is the worst airport that runs a huge deficit every year and cannot be operated without subsidies from the central government.,,?
The plane colliding with the brick wall at the end of this runway killed the people, not the bird strike. The plane would have come to a stop and the passengers and crew would have survived had no brick wall been there.
Não foi parede de tijolos e sim um muro de concreto , se fosse parede de tijolos todos estavam vivos, acho que o governo sul coreano corroeu sua cabeça
We don’t know why the plane crashed. The wall just happened to be what it crashed into. This is an extremely irresponsible video and it is directing people’s anger toward something that makes no sense. Blaming the wall for this crash is like blaming a swimming pool for a drowning. It’s stupid.
@FoulWeatherFriend385 Hear hear. Those attributing the deaths to the presence of the wall are rarely even stopping to think what was beyond the wall, never mind understanding what happens to an airplane careering off a runway at 150mph without any landing gear. Hundreds of runways exist that are less than half the length of this one. Are they bad design? As with virtually every major air disaster, several factors will be involved that all coincided. But what this looks like, initially at least, is catastrophic human error by the pilots that would've still ended up killing virtually everyone on board, wall or not.
@@FoulWeatherFriend385 ok now imagine a swimming pool that has a powerful drain without a cover, slippery improperly designed edges/walls, sudden drop-off points, improper chemical balancing, lack of barriers, and poor lighting. given enough time there is going to be a preventable incident. in most airports the ILS system at the end of the runway is designed to break away if struck by a plane. in this airport it was put in a massive earthen berm that literally disintegrated the plane when it overran the runway. it's just really irresponsible and totally unnecessary design
absolute BS. they were still going at least 150mph when they left the end of the runway. if the wall hadn't stopped them it's possible even more people would have been killed.
Im not a pilot neither am i an airport designer , yet , i called it a criminal design flaw the second i saw the footage. Having what appears to be some quite short RESA and abscence of EMAS was already a major design flaw but having a concrete wall at the end of that ? Nah that's just a criminal design flaw. All those people would had been alive today had safety measures been respected, they died simply because of criminal negligence !
As a Korean, this accident is truly tragic. It is truly regrettable that the government took the measure of pouring reinforced concrete under the localizer to save on the cost of localizer maintenance due to typhoons. It is a national disgrace to have taken such a dangerous measure at Muan Airport to save a few pennies.
The designer of the airport and the person who authorized it should be investigated. At the moment, most media in South Korea are silent on this issue.
They are not silent. all korean media and comments are blaming the airport. but it's not the main cause of the crash. the carrier was notorious for poor maintenance and one flight from jeju air had to return back even this morning due to landing gear flaw.
After it was selected as the airport construction site, many Korean experts opposed it, and the basis for their opposition was very scientific and persuasive, but a local influential politician pushed ahead with the airport construction. The area has a migratory bird habitat that is very large even by global standards. After the airport was completed, it was not permitted to operate international flights until recently. Although it was permitted to operate international flights in December 2024, it was the result of politicians from local political parties pushing ahead. A major disaster occurred 21 days after the international flight permit was issued. It is an airport that was built solely for political interests and election purposes, ignoring aviation experts and scientific evidence. It is the worst airport that runs a huge deficit every year and cannot be operated without subsidies from the central government....
100% agree. Stupid to build that giant mound of dirt reinforced with concrete at the end of the runway just to elevate the localizer antenna. Usually the antenna is elevated with a structure designed to break away if impacted. I think when the final report comes out it will state that design should never have been approved.
The end-of-road barrier could have been a drag net, pit of sand, or something that will slow down the plane instead of a wall that cause explosion on impact. Rest in peace on the departed souls.
Problem is online experts who have never been to that airport talking like they're experts. Unfortunately there are restaurants, hotels and a resort on the other side of that barrier. Slowing down is not an option.
A similar airplane malfunction like this happened before, but the pilots landed in nearby waters instead of forcing a rushed landing onto the runway which saved many lives unlike this one.
After it was selected as the airport construction site, many Korean experts opposed it, and the basis for their opposition was very scientific and persuasive, but a local influential politician pushed ahead with the airport construction. The area has a migratory bird habitat that is very large even by global standards. After the airport was completed, it was not permitted to operate international flights until recently. Although it was permitted to operate international flights in December 2024, it was the result of politicians from local political parties pushing ahead. A major disaster occurred 21 days after the international flight permit was issued. It is an airport that was built solely for political interests and election purposes, ignoring aviation experts and scientific evidence. It is the worst airport that runs a huge deficit every year and cannot be operated without subsidies from the central government.
It's not just the bird strike that's to blame: why didn't the flaps open? Why didn't the landing gear go down? Even if the hydraulic system goes down, the electrical system should still work.
There was similar landing in Toronto, Air France, AB A340 overran the runway and skidded way beyond the port, but they managed to save everyone because the plane had enough space to slow down and stop in relative safety.
Happened in Jamaica in 2009, Boeing overran the runway and took out a chainlink fence flew over a road and landed on a beach. No fatalities. Because the fence was not concrete
Its common design to give much space even after a long runway, because of the nature of the purpose a runway serves, it must be assumed a plane will over shoot the runway safely
@@l.b.9567 I had friends on that flight! I remember it clearly. The only injury was a woman injured at the bottom of the slide after exiting the airplane which broke in three pieces. My friends casually walked out the crashed airplane unto the beach.
@@zenden9 There is no right or wrong in an emergency. This happened because of poor architecture. Approach and departure lanes can always be changed by ATC to account for emergencies.
It breaks my heart so much. If only there were no concrete walls to eat, many people would have lived. I pray for the soul of the deceased to rest in peace.😢🙏🇰🇷
The runway utilization rate of the airport was 0.1%. After it was selected as the airport construction site, many Korean experts opposed it, and the basis for their opposition was very scientific and persuasive, but a local influential politician pushed ahead with the airport construction. The area has a migratory bird habitat that is very large even by global standards. After the airport was completed, it was not permitted to operate international flights until recently. Although it was permitted to operate international flights in December 2024, it was the result of politicians from local political parties pushing ahead. A major disaster occurred 21 days after the international flight permit was issued. It is an airport that was built solely for political interests and election purposes, ignoring aviation experts and scientific evidence. It is the worst airport that runs a huge deficit every year and cannot be operated without subsidies from the central government.
that area is supposed to have only frangible objects, basically, landing lights, or other systems. Someone thought of installing a concrete fence to protect the lights in case a plane skids off the runway?! That's insane.
I think they may not have intention to do that. But they want it to survive Typhoon winds. But still it should not extend from ground level. The consult company of the design must be sued. For real.
Or perhaps the airport CEO is protecting the property of his friend in front of the runway?😳 It looks like there's a small orchard on one side of that property. If that's Persimmon or Pear, it's probably more valuable than human life for them!!! They love those fruits in South Korea.
its a dirt mound to elevate the localizer antenna, for god knows what reason. since it's koreans, i also wouldn't be surprised if this incident turns out to be another case of a 250 hour first officer not speaking up to his 10,000 hour captain to "protect his honor." *cough* asiana 214. though as blunt as it may seem.
There is so much conflict of interest and lack of enforcement of regulations in South Korea; for instance the shipping regulatory agency at the time of the Sewol sinking was also a trade group. Safety takes a back seat to economic expediency
That’s insane. An identical KLM plane landed in a similar way in Norway two days ago. No casualties, just a plane that came to a halt in the mud. Don’t build walls at the end of runways. Insane
After it was selected as the airport construction site, many Korean experts opposed it, and the basis for their opposition was very scientific and persuasive, but a local influential politician pushed ahead with the airport construction. The area has a migratory bird habitat that is very large even by global standards. After the airport was completed, it was not permitted to operate international flights until recently. Although it was permitted to operate international flights in December 2024, it was the result of politicians from local political parties pushing ahead. A major disaster occurred 21 days after the international flight permit was issued. It is an airport that was built solely for political interests and election purposes, ignoring aviation experts and scientific evidence. It is the worst airport that runs a huge deficit every year and cannot be operated without subsidies from the central government.
After it was selected as the airport construction site, many Korean experts opposed it, and the basis for their opposition was very scientific and persuasive, but a local influential politician pushed ahead with the airport construction. The area has a migratory bird habitat that is very large even by global standards. After the airport was completed, it was not permitted to operate international flights until recently. Although it was permitted to operate international flights in December 2024, it was the result of politicians from local political parties pushing ahead. A major disaster occurred 21 days after the international flight permit was issued. It is an airport that was built solely for political interests and election purposes, ignoring aviation experts and scientific evidence. It is the worst airport that runs a huge deficit every year and cannot be operated without subsidies from the central government.
It doesn't take a genius to know concrete at the end of a runway was a bad idea. 200 m buffer on a 2800m short runway is definitely not sufficient. Even after so many years, nothing has been done? Deaths were totally avoidable. RIP.
Korean authorities have never had a reputation for being smart. Remember how many students died in the cruise ship a few years back ? Students were told by 'authorities' to remain inside their cabin. In the meantime, the captain escaped.....
@@lawrencedavidson6195yep, that's why there's runway number on both ends. There are so many trying to propagate this wrong information as to shift the blame.
@Divinarium1 I work at an international airport and have some flight training. ALL runways are to be used from both directions depending on wind direction. One direction is just more common that the other, that's all. Edit: On this day wind was calm so any runway direction could be used safely.
@Divinarium1 As already pointed out, runways can be used both directions, wrong direction would've been if the wind didn't allow it which I doubt is the case here.
I saw the initial landing and thought "wow that's the perfect emergency landing" so was stumped on why they went into a fireball. Thanks for clearing this up.
@@alwaysyouramanda That doesn't matter lol. Landing strips are always made to be usable in both directions, exactly in case of emergencies when there are no options other than to land. Get those ignorant comments out of there and stop defending criminally bad infrastructure design.
Everyone is obsessed with birds, and now they’re obsessed with the wall, haha. Everyone, just wait. The investigation is still ongoing. No one knows the exact cause
@@tanlafuvo The cause is very important, but the most important fact here is that, without the wall at the end of the runway, it is almost certain no one on the plane would have died, as the plane would not have crashed at all. So, really, no matter what the cause of the incident was, if the airport had not been constructed the way it had been, this tragedy would never have happened. Ultimately, the airport is responsible for the deaths of these people even more so than the other points of failure which lead to the accident in the first place.
Having collapsible structures on the airfield is a fundamental air safety requirement. Amazing that they put a big concrete structure at the end of that runway. The risk assessment score for that should have been through the roof! RIP.
The sinking of the ferry, the Halloween crowd crush and now this disaster. South Korea seems to have a big problem with safety issues and protocols being overlooked, and where if things were done just a bit differently many lives could have been saved. RIP to the victims. It's so sad especially at this time of the year.
Logan Airport in Boston had a blast fence at the end of the runway abutting Bayswater St. They removed it many years ago because it was an obstruction and dangerous.
Interesting. I'm thinking it could have been built as a blast shield, especially where airports are ready to be used as military airfields at short notice.
@@JoeSmith-ig3pr now if they could remove all the residential housing right up to the edges of Midway in Chicago which has relatively short runways. That airport has always scared me.
This could be the impetus to remove the Hyatt Regency Hotel at the end of Runway 32. Removing that hotel clears up a major hazard of using Runway 14/32.
This is not the first major accident that has cost hundreds of lives in Korea due to incompetence. The Sewol Ferry disaster should have been a wake up call for the country to re-examine all existing protocol and infrastructure related to public transport and safety. This disaster was totally avoidable and people need to be held accountable.
It’s a dirt berm, not concrete the ILS array sits on, regardless the array should be on the ground…it wouldn’t have mattered because not far behind it sits a concrete wall that defines the border of the airport grounds, and the aircraft would have crashed into that with the same result
외국매체들은 구조물에 중점적으로 보도 및 분석하는데 정작 사고당사국인 우리나라는 이부분에 왜 명확한 분석 및 보도를 안하는건지... 그리고 아직 명확한 사고원인이 안나왔다라고 하지만 만약 저 구조물에 의한 충격으로 피해를 키웠다면 제주항공사고라고만 하지말고 무안공항사고 라고도 사고이름 변경 생각해봐야하는거 아니냐는 생각도 드네
This is so stupid, it has to take a plane crashing into that wall for people to notice!? I bet there are other walls at the end of the runway in other airports. They should start thinking about removing them.
Not at those speeds. It would have started tearing apart the fuselage and maybe tumble like Asiana airlines at SFO. If it made it to the water it’d still be like hitting a brick wall. Yeah more people would have survived but many… too many would have still died.
Yep. Similar accident happened in 2005 in Toronto where I live. All 309 people on the plane survived, because there is no structure at the end of our runways. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_358
the families need to push for justice and change in airport structure regulations, the pilots were able to safely put the plane on the ground, what more could they have done, they are heroes for putting all their knowledge to try and save the people aboard that aircraft
At least the airport CEO was able to protect the plants growing in his friend's property in front of the runway! I wouldn't discount that scenario considering how corruption in South Korean Government is now unravelling.
I work at an airport in a third world country and we have nearly a quarter mile of runway run off after the end of the runway. The runway lights are designed to snap off easily if hit by an airplane.
of course the plane was slowing down too, probably hit the wall at 100km just like in a car the chances of sirvival are close to none that explains the only 2 sirvivors at the back out of around 180 on board
@@nicholas-k8jThe aircraft was travelling about 200 mph (320 km/h) when it touched down, and about 140 mph (200 km/h) when it impacted the dirt berm that supported the ILS localizer antennas.
@@jimmyzhao2673 Probably could be accomplished off the pavement on either side of the runway if the pilots were previously aware of the idiotic structure placement.
나도 20년차 항덕이고, 비행기 좋아서 공군 갔다왔고, 비행조종시뮬레이터로 국내외 주요 공항 다 이착륙 + 서클링 이착륙 다 해본 사람이라 항공 사고는 토씨만 들으면 바로 딱 감잡히는데... 사고 소식 듣자마자 라고 생각했고 사고 영상 보자마자 라고 생각했고 저 안에 콘크리트 구조물이 있었다는 사실을 알고 나서는 더 할 말을 잃었다.
@@내몸에소독약그게 포인트가 아니죠 저 벽이 없었다면 흙을 더 지나면서 속도가 급격히 줄었을거고 벽돌과 철조망으로 된 공항 외벽을 뚫으면서 더 줄었을거고 그 뒤에 도로랑 흙을 지나면서 멈췄을 겁니다. 공항 외벽으로 부터 민가까지는 800m 정도 여유 공간이 있습니다. 참고로 활주로 끝부터 로컬라이저 (둔턱) 까지는 언론 보도된 323m가 아니라 200m 조금 넘습니다.
@내몸에소독약 그건 저도 압니다. 런웨이의 35% 지점에서 최초 접지했고 런웨이의 15% 지점에서 착지했으면 대형참사로는 안 갔을 겁니다. 근데 그것만 지적하는 건 님께서 비전문가라는 증거입니다. 어제 사고는 유압계통이 통째 망가져서 랜딩기어랑 같이 FLAP도 작동 안했어요. FLAP이 열리지않으면 기체는 고도가 안 떨어집니다. FLAP이 열려야 속도가 줄고 고도가 떨어집니다. 180도 작은 선회반경으로 돌아서 재착륙하는 상황 + 엔진에 불난 상황에 수평 맞추고 방위각 맞춰서 런웨이 35% 지점에 재착지한 것만으로도 캡틴은 정말 신들린 조종을 한 겁니다.
The airport is closed to international flights, but the day after the president was impeached, a leftist political party changed it to allow international flights🫢
It's called an ILS localizer. It takes an educated person to know why it is there. But yes it shouldn't have been built with a raised concrete foundation.
@ It does not take an educated person to understand we are talking about the wall and not the localizer on top of the wall. Normal localizers sat on the ground and are designed to bend in case of a plane crash. Most runways have wired fences that do the same. Only Koreans the smartest people in the galaxy build a wall of annihilation at the end of their runways.
this is why corruption needs to be purged. Sounds like bribery to have that even allowed there and to have international flights when it didnt match regulations of the country.
As a South Korean, I can say ridiculous designs and constructed objects to harm or kill people like the concrete wall are still everywhere in the country.
After it was selected as the airport construction site, many Korean experts opposed it, and the basis for their opposition was very scientific and persuasive, but a local influential politician pushed ahead with the airport construction. The area has a migratory bird habitat that is very large even by global standards. After the airport was completed, it was not permitted to operate international flights until recently. Although it was permitted to operate international flights in December 2024, it was the result of politicians from local political parties pushing ahead. A major disaster occurred 21 days after the international flight permit was issued. It is an airport that was built solely for political interests and election purposes, ignoring aviation experts and scientific evidence. It is the worst airport that runs a huge deficit every year and cannot be operated without subsidies from the central government.jj
Cant imagine how hopeless the pilots must have felt, they did their best to land the plane despite the problem but they still cant overcome the factors beyond their control. Rip to all the victims
nvm was told theres still back up manual landing gear which may have helped to brake the plane, and that wall was supposed to be at the start of the run way. They still need to investigate further.
I think the pilots were too panicked and didn't do some things well. But panic is normal. After all, if something goes wrong, they will definitely be the first to die. The pilots' panic is actually foreseeable, but coupled with external influences... This concrete wall is absolutely fatal.
decades ago there was a series of similar disasters and thats when guidelines for clear runway runoffs were made. its all been known since then, but apparently not to everyone?? i cant fathom how someone could even think of building an airport like this today.
I never seen something similar in other places, safety regulations are very strict about this on every airport, I even was shocked to see the signals there, when I see usually on the sides of the runway not on end. But of course will be good check everywhere just in case. But I think this is only on Corea. So sad
they seemed to be more concerned about protecting that highway from aircraft. insanity that someone approved that. runway overruns happen *somewhat* frequently around the world
It has been 17 years since the aiport opened. I guess, blaming game has began. Let's see who has more influence and money to win. Tragedy of it all, 179 people lost their lives and their families were left to mourn. I see monetary compensation, I don't see criminal responsibility happening. There will be no justice. Rich and powerful always win.
저는 미시간주에 살고있는데요.. 지금 한국항공사고 소식 전하는 미국 언론들 헤드라인이 다 영상같은 제목이에요. 믿을 수 없을 정도로 비상식적인 한국공항의 설계 이렇게요. 한국도 역시 중국처럼 신뢰할만한 국가가 아니다라는 분위기가 엄청 생기고 있습니다. 안그래도 북한 때문에 불안한 이미지가 있는데 이번에 계엄에다가, 비상식적인 항공 설계로 인한 참사까지 나면서 한국에 대한 이미지가 상당히 타격이 큽니다.. 거기에 오징어2도 망했고
In South Korea, discussions about the incident are solely focused on bird strikes, with no mention of any issues related to the airport. The perspectives between South Korea and other countries are vastly different.
@@roycesato4129 just look at this comment section, Koreans already looking for external, completely unrelated explanations rather than admit own design issues
@@lzasnw "lol pls anytime anything goes poorly yall pretend it’s someone else’s problem. When we all know SK is the land of 🤏🏾🤏🏾🤏🏾🤏🏾", " they love seppuku even more than their neighbors" -----> @lzasnw comments.
the airport is probally built in the 70s.... its not the fault of the 1970s engineers that the plan was doing 180mph at the end of the runway..... landing speed is like120mph in this plane. the pilots fucked up....
@@AnarchyEnsues Nope, it doesn't matter when the airport was built, if it needs to be updated it is their responsibility to do so, otherwise they've been negligent, how much they're at fault the investigation will tell.
저도 벽에 대한 문제점은 동의하는데 복합적인 문제점으로 봐야하는 것 아닌가요? 1차적으로 랜딩기어가 펼쳐졌다면 버드스트라이크로 인한 정상적인 회항으로 마무리 되었을텐데요. 벽 문제 vs 기체문제가 아니라 벽 and 기체문제로 원인파악을 해야하는 것 같은데.. 왜 한쪽 측면은 아에 배제하고 어느쪽이 문제다 이렇게 하려는건지 모르겠네요
Yeah, i always looked at South Korea as a 1st world country but then things like this, working conditions and the general corporate hellscape it is make me rethink it.
Airport designer shouldn’t have to account for aircraft travelling at 100+mph hundreds of meters after the end of the runway. If the wall wasn’t there the aircraft would of collided with another obstruction further along.
Building that airport itself is a criminal. That airport which is located in a rural area was built for political purposes and local populism. Actually it was a kind of monumental which was supposed to be named after Kim Daejung, the formal president who is known for the Nobel prize. He was found to give an illegal bribery to Kim Jungil the formal north korea leader before and after he got the Nobel prize. This is known as Cash for summit. The airport just started to open international lines to boost up usage rate bc the airport hadn’t been busy at all. The airport management got to be poor looking back on its usage and low budget.
It wasn't the wall. It was a berm-enclosed reinforced concrete structure supporting the runway ILS antenna array. But whoever allowed THAT to be constructed and placed there should definitely face some legal scrutiny.
After it was selected as the airport construction site, many Korean experts opposed it, and the basis for their opposition was very scientific and persuasive, but a local influential politician pushed ahead with the airport construction. The area has a migratory bird habitat that is very large even by global standards. After the airport was completed, it was not permitted to operate international flights until recently. Although it was permitted to operate international flights in December 2024, it was the result of politicians from local political parties pushing ahead. A major disaster occurred 21 days after the international flight permit was issued. It is an airport that was built solely for political interests and election purposes, ignoring aviation experts and scientific evidence. It is the worst airport that runs a huge deficit every year and cannot be operated without subsidies from the central government.
@leredditcommander8208 all factors should be scrutinized openly. PS- I thought humanity was past the point of blaming "birds" for disasters. 4 plane crashes in 72 hours is not acceptable for Boeing, and putting a "death wall" on a short runway isn't excusable either.
A wall to surround an airport is one thing. A wall right beyond a runway is insane and asinine, and 179 people are dead because of it. Whoever thought that was a good idea needs to be held accountable.
just insane. everyone knows there is huge run off for runways, everywhere i have ever flown has huge amounts of land for this reason alone. It's crazy how they built a wall on the run off and no one ever questioned it for years...
They will not questioning it if there no casualty from accident. Like pithole in road, if there tragic case because of it, they will respond. If no, they ignore it.
@@Indiscreetmess Probably in the entire history of commercial aviation, no plane has ever reached the end of the runway traveling at 200 knots. This was not a design consideration. Sure it would be better if it wasn't there, but even without the wall, they were probably doomed. The plane was already starting to tumble when it hit the berm.
i said the same thing the moment i saw this early this morning. a concrete wall at the end of the runway makes 0 sense. there needs to be lawsuits over this.
@@teebob21 NOBODY IS SAYING THAT IT HIT AN EXTERIOR CONCRETE SECURITY FENCE! It DID hit a concrete structure supporting antennas though. QUIT MISINFORMING!
This expert is incorrect. There are many airports that have solid barriers at the end of the runway, especially in dense city areas. Taipei's Songshan has a concrete wall, and solid bollards at the end.
After it was selected as the airport construction site, many Korean experts opposed it, and the basis for their opposition was very scientific and persuasive, but a local influential politician pushed ahead with the airport construction. The area has a migratory bird habitat that is very large even by global standards. After the airport was completed, it was not permitted to operate international flights until recently. Although it was permitted to operate international flights in December 2024, it was the result of politicians from local political parties pushing ahead. A major disaster occurred 21 days after the international flight permit was issued. It is an airport that was built solely for political interests and election purposes, ignoring aviation experts and scientific evidence. It is the worst airport that runs a huge deficit every year and cannot be operated without subsidies from the central government.
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A wall at the end of a runway is insane
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I have no expertise in airport design at all and even I know it was a terrible idea.
@@hourbee5535 We have rules against this in Europe and North America. Even COLOMBIA has rules against structures close to runways.
This airport should pay compensation. 100% their fault. Everyone was alive when the plane landed a perfectly normal belly landing.
It is the structure that supports the ILS system.
its the same as 9/11, flying into a wall
Bird strikes did not kill them. The pilot landed the plane PERFECTLY without wheels, only to crash into a wall which killed them. Criminal, yes.
@@FrosttRBLX
LOL ????m
Thought so, but it still faster than it needed even with the landing gear, maybe the pilot is in dilema, at split second he saw those wall and decide to elevate the plane?
*Just a big maybe and a logic for this situation.
But what does the bird strike have to do with the landing gear? Why did they do a belly landing? Maybe i'm too sleepy and missed something.
The airport is closed to international flights, but the day after the president was impeached, a leftist political party changed it to allow international flights🫢
Politically-built airports for left-leaning regions
Pilots reported fire and smoke inside the plane, from the facts reported the pilots actually did a good job even getting it on the ground.
I just can't get over the fact that this was totally survivable... so sad.
yep. imagine surviving a plane crash only to die like this.
Why are they only talking about this when there was already a tragedy? Be proactive not reactive dumbasses
That wall wasn't there it would've never crashed.
Avoidable
The problem is everyone notice it after disaster…
The fact everyone could have possibly survived if it wasn't for that wall. It's beyond infuriating.
Extremely
The plane landed at the opposite direction
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To be fair, the pilots landed midway on the runaway, leaving the airliner only half a runway for an emergency landing. This really is starting to look like pilot misjudgment. A bird strike might have shut down one engine, this caused the pilots to panic, they rushed into a quick emergency landing. It makes no sense why their landing gear wasn't open, since there's no way for a bird strike to cause such a failure.
@@dopecat15 it doesn't matter. The wall guarantees death for no reason what so ever.
It's bad design and to say otherwise is completely asinine.
It takes a major incident to notice the bad design. Shocking
not the first time in south korea...
In the aviation industry it's usually that way; when a major fatality occurs then everything involved gets revisited and failure key points are addressed.Sad but true.
Accident not incident
Was it?
Bad design causes a major incident. This is why it is bad design.
Imagine the pilot fighting for his plane and passengers, making safe belly landing only to see that wall he didn't account for.
Very very brave pilots at the controls.
The pilots landed almost half way down on the runway. The runway is over 9,000 feet long (2,800 meters). Had they landed earlier AND cut power to engines, maybe they would have stopped long before hitting the wall at the end of the runway.
@@MM-te8tz engine off so that he cant use reverse thrust?
@@MM-te8tz I also thought about it, the video starts when the aircraft is alread touched down so we dont' really know (yet) for how long did they slide. I guess it was difficult to control the speed with one engine and some issues with hydraulics
@zeviono4562 Actually, kind of inexperienced, and they seem to lack training. The landing gear on the b737 can be manually lowered, and control surfaces can also be configured for emergency landing. Information from two b737 Captains.
Not one Korean media is focusing on the concrete wall at the end of the runway as the main cause of the mass casualty. It's like as if they were told not to do so. I hope many foreign people would visit the youtube channels of Korean media and tell them to focus on this fact. Korean ministry of infrastructure and transport announced that there was nothing wrong with the airport itself. This is a very strange time for my country.
Not just Korea, even in Hong Kong whereas media actually do notice the ''wall'', they immediately swivel and say it is a ''small mound to hold ILS equipment'', I have seen ILS equipment, they DO NOT NEED TO BE PLANTED on a massive slab of concrete.
Sounds very undemocratic!
Not that strange, really. Everytime a major disaster happens it turns into a tug of war between airline, government and manufacturer about who is to blame. It's honestly shameful, but I almost kind of understand... it is a major blow to the reputation to say "we are at fault here", no business wants that, and no government either, especially one that is already struggling right now.
Welcome to the real world. Probably every major mainstream media outlet on the planet is controlled just like yours.
@@Chenchenchen_pw99 short videos on Wechat are talking about the wall. I also installed my weibo, and searched key words (in Chinese): Korean air crash wall. There ARE comments about the wall. Many posts are asking why the wall is there.
As a Pilot, that was the first thing that came to my mind. Who the F*ck builds a Concrete wall at the and of a Runway. Thats so stupid, im sorry i cant say it different. After a Runway should always be an engineered material arresting system (EMAS).
Everybody on board could have survived…
koreans apparently
I'm not even a pilot and I noticed that right away. There appears to be nothing beyond that wall which would need to be protected by a wall.
Why did he fly so fast?
South Korean Gov:
Protecting the facility is way morrrre important than saving people's life.
What a cyberpunk apocalyptic country...
lol 😂😂😂
The plane kept them alive, the airport killed them. Dreadfully sad. Harrowing seeing this footage. RIP to all those souls.
Boeing bot
Omg this is so terrifying
@@Frommmyit’s not a MAX it’s a 800
@@Frommmy Dumb
Don't believe the pilots helped much ???
I was a pilot for 30 years. Pretty much every airport I’ve landed at had a chain link fence, which a plane will go right through. Airports usually anticipate things like this will happen, or at least they’re supposed to!
Long beach doesn't have a wall like that. The planes are free to careen into surrounding property.
The airport CEO was protecting the property of his friend in front of the airport! Corruption in South Korea is still rampant as evidenced by the current political upheaval in the country!
한국 언론에서는 아무도 저 구조물에 대해 이야기하는 사람이 없어서, 그냥 공항에 당연히 있는 구조물인 알았는데, 아닌가보죠?
@@hohopapa4262 NO!!! It's man made and it's a screw up!!!
@@Plutogalaxy The initial reports said they were in the air for a long time burning off fuel since the bird strike happened on the first attempt, the crash was the second attempt. They were supposed to initially land on runway 01 and ended up on 19. But I watched the news right after the accident. when everything was breaking.
Every major airport in the world is now being scrutinized for similar obstructions.
The airplane landed the wrong way, normally planes land going the other way, its not uncommon to put stuff like that so the planes don't cuase alot of wind or updraft on private property, still it's kinda dumb not to have anything else, or a net or something, and the fact that it was concrete completely baffles me.
That wall was built by Russians for sure ... ;)
@samuelspace101 bs
@samuelspace101 im sure if they had time they wouldve spun the plane around and landed normally, totally missed the point here mate
@samuelspace101 I see on the rwy's photos that tire tracks are from both sides.
As a flight attendant one of my companies plane slid off the end of the runway on the US. Thank goodness there was dirt and a slight slope and just a chain link fence. No one was seriously hurt. I landed once at PHL with no landing gear, we also just slid on the belly of the plane until we came to a stop in a dirt embankment at the end of the runway. It scares me to think what would have happened if there was a wall there.
I couldn't agree more with David. Emergency landings and overruns could happen anytime. It's criminal to build such a deadly barrier at the end of the runway.
Heathrow has too much infrastructure at each end of the runway and wouldn't have spared a similar scenario.
@@prettypinkcupcake Except heathrow's infrastructure isn't a concrete barrier.
it's criminal for an aircraft to be going 150 knots across the ground while overrunning the runway, if that barrier wasn't there. the plane would've broken apart with that speed and the outcome would be just as tragic
@cwa4584 it seemed to be holding together just fine until it hit that barrier.
@cwa4584 First of all it would have slown down much more and a concrete barrier creates a much larger explosion than running into a road with a power line.
Every airport in the world needs to be inspected to make sure that this never happens again.
Or at least have cheaper tickets for flights using those runways
I agree, whoever designed this Jeju Airport must thought he's in Cities Skylines.
@@NanobanaKinako this incident happened in Muan Airport
yes
Qvv@@Hulksmashhulkregret
국내언론은 전부 버드스트라이크나 랜딩기어만 반복하지만, 결국은 저 구조물에 의한 충돌로 모든 사람들이 죽은건데, 아직은 언급이 없네요.
Disgusting. But not surprising. The people need to condemn the corrupt media.
this is what elon musk say.... media is crooked!
그러게 말이에요 벽지적하는사람은 그냥 ㅂ.ㅅ취급하는게 대다수라서 벽만 아니면 많이살았을텐데 그것에 대해 지적하는사람 많지않네요
Those who designed and built that structure should be held accountable
조종사가 최선을 다했다는 걸 많은 사람들이 알았으면 좋겠네요. 조종사조차도 벽을 볼 줄은 예상하지 못했을지도.. ㅠㅠ
최악의 상황에서 기장과 부기장은 최선의 결과를 얻어냈지만 끝에 있는 콘크리트 벽이 모든 노력을 무산 시켰다
"Not only is there no justification, it's verging on criminal to have that wall there." That sums it up. No more further explanation needed.
Spot on
What about the hotel behind it?
@@TheDigger06 The hotel should not be there. An airport should be a way for planes to have a crash landing to matter which direction.
The reason I can think of is that Korea is close to the sea and there may be frequent typhoons nearby. Concrete structures can reduce maintenance costs.
@@TheDigger06 The hotel is offset from the runway.
This analysis is significant. None of the SKorean medias are mentioning about the airport’s odd structure, but only speaking about bird strike on engines and landing gears failure.
Some ppl suspects that it’s the government to avoid the responsibility of indemnification, distracting the point by blaming birds and aircraft’s technical failure so they can shift the responsibility to Jeju airline company..
Goverment try to hard not to be blamed. Because airport regulation build fall under goverment supervision
We can all learn from this, to recognize similar blind spots of coverage or certain perspectives in our media, for the same reasons, because it’s in their financial or political interest to keep it slanted away from the truth (climate change, Luigi, how enslaved we are within our socioeconomic system, 9/11, and so on)
@@inbt Absolutely correct. The blame game begins. Korea 101.
Yup. Korea’s government is notorious for not taking responsible for anything
The main reason of this disaster is fxxkin concrete wall
We are in South Korea, and are seeing all the media news and postings and I have not Seen ANY media talk about this wall being at the end of the runway. As if they dont want to mention it.
political reasons
Opposition party doesn't want the truth. Since they are deeply related to the cause of the incident.
This incident occurred Only 21 days after the opposition party gave permission for international flight to Muan airport, taking advantage of chaos admist continuous impeachments.
Because of many reasons, the Muan airport was far from being appropriate to be international airport.
Jeolla province is the dear home ground for Opposition party.
The all concerned party must take responsibility for the cause of the incident.
@@leredditcommander8208 Thats tragic. Im from the US and now living here in Korea, I would have thought at least shed more light into this cause.
Like China they don't want to feel shame or lose face . Kind of a Asian thing .
After it was selected as the airport construction site, many Korean experts opposed it, and the basis for their opposition was very scientific and persuasive, but a local influential politician pushed ahead with the airport construction.
The area has a migratory bird habitat that is very large even by global standards.
After the airport was completed, it was not permitted to operate international flights until recently.
Although it was permitted to operate international flights in December 2024, it was the result of politicians from local political parties pushing ahead.
A major disaster occurred 21 days after the international flight permit was issued.
It is an airport that was built solely for political interests and election purposes, ignoring aviation experts and scientific evidence. It is the worst airport that runs a huge deficit every year and cannot be operated without subsidies from the central government.,,?
The plane colliding with the brick wall at the end of this runway killed the people, not the bird strike. The plane would have come to a stop and the passengers and crew would have survived had no brick wall been there.
Não foi parede de tijolos e sim um muro de concreto , se fosse parede de tijolos todos estavam vivos, acho que o governo sul coreano corroeu sua cabeça
We don’t know why the plane crashed. The wall just happened to be what it crashed into. This is an extremely irresponsible video and it is directing people’s anger toward something that makes no sense. Blaming the wall for this crash is like blaming a swimming pool for a drowning. It’s stupid.
@FoulWeatherFriend385 Hear hear. Those attributing the deaths to the presence of the wall are rarely even stopping to think what was beyond the wall, never mind understanding what happens to an airplane careering off a runway at 150mph without any landing gear.
Hundreds of runways exist that are less than half the length of this one. Are they bad design?
As with virtually every major air disaster, several factors will be involved that all coincided. But what this looks like, initially at least, is catastrophic human error by the pilots that would've still ended up killing virtually everyone on board, wall or not.
@@FoulWeatherFriend385 ok now imagine a swimming pool that has a powerful drain without a cover, slippery improperly designed edges/walls, sudden drop-off points, improper chemical balancing, lack of barriers, and poor lighting. given enough time there is going to be a preventable incident. in most airports the ILS system at the end of the runway is designed to break away if struck by a plane. in this airport it was put in a massive earthen berm that literally disintegrated the plane when it overran the runway. it's just really irresponsible and totally unnecessary design
absolute BS. they were still going at least 150mph when they left the end of the runway. if the wall hadn't stopped them it's possible even more people would have been killed.
이 분이 정확하게 분석해 주시네요. 이런 hard object 를 전혀 본적이 없다고..
이 둔턱의 용도에 대해서 확인이 필요하겠네요
表示同情。事故太严重了。我在上海地区
@@正松籍-e5l谢谢您 ❤
probably noise limiting barrier
용도해 대해 영상에 나오잖아요... ILS 장치 보호용이라고
동체착륙한 활주로는 길이가 2.5km이나 되었습니다. 충분히 정지할 수 있게 길게 설계되었습니다. 활주로 끝부분의 흙더미만 보고 판단하는건 무리가 있습니다. 저 흙더미가 없었다면 오히려 도로나 건물로 비행기가 충돌해서 더 큰 사고로 발전할수도 있습니다
Saddest part is, Korean officials will stubbornly keep that wall there despite this tragedy rather than admit to the stupidity of their design.
Fits in with the global population thinning agenda. I'm not saying it's right.
I'm just sayin'.
in face of the runway there is a brick wall, it's already weird. Like Berlin wall😂
Well, they can't be seen to "lose face" now, can they?
not korean officals. 'JeonRaDo' officals!!
@@JehtBenbenthe Koreans will lie right to your face.
이 사고를 진단하는 이 전문가의 시각이 가장 적절하다.
엔딩기어가 작동하지 않았든 말든, 새떼가 엔진을 망가뜨렸든지 간에,
이 망할놈의 벽만 없었어도 더 많은 사람들이 살 수 있었는데.
무안공항 모든게 민주당 때문
적어도 승객 전원사망하는 참사는 막았을 가능성이 높았습니다. 어쩌면, 전원 생존의 가능성도 높았고요. 하나의 해프닝이 될 수 있었던게, 참사가 일어난게 안타깝습니다. 고인의 명복을 빕니다…
착륙 진짜 월드클래스로 잘했습니다. 기장의 노력이 얼마나 절실했을지 저는 상상도 안됩니다.
봐도봐도 안타깝다
물론 벽에 충돌한게 가장 큰 원인이지만, 활주로 역방향으로 착륙해서 그런거임. 정상 방향이었으면 활주로 길이도 더 확보하고 이런 충돌은 없었을거임. 뭐가 그리 긴박해서 급하게 착륙했는지 그 원인을 조사하는게 포인트. 가슴깊이 명복을 빕니다..
Im not a pilot neither am i an airport designer , yet , i called it a criminal design flaw the second i saw the footage. Having what appears to be some quite short RESA and abscence of EMAS was already a major design flaw but having a concrete wall at the end of that ? Nah that's just a criminal design flaw. All those people would had been alive today had safety measures been respected, they died simply because of criminal negligence !
As a Korean, this accident is truly tragic. It is truly regrettable that the government took the measure of pouring reinforced concrete under the localizer to save on the cost of localizer maintenance due to typhoons. It is a national disgrace to have taken such a dangerous measure at Muan Airport to save a few pennies.
NO，this is Korea😅
@@aAkikiAndWater-px7qs 벽이 사망 원인이 될 것이고, 내 생각엔 그들은 또한 길고 빠르게 착륙한 조종사를 비난할 것입니다.
5분전에 SBS 에서, 해외 전문가, 그것은 범죄다, 라는 방송이 있었는데 😅 누군가의 압력으로 바로 삭제됐고 😂 MBC는 🇺🇸 사드 전자파 or 🇯🇵 오염수 때문이라고 주장 할 것 같다
@@Moon.J.Idemocratic party in korea will blame japan for everything 😂😂😂 they are incompetent fools
North Korea is a much safer place
The designer of the airport and the person who authorized it should be investigated. At the moment, most media in South Korea are silent on this issue.
무안공항이 차기 대통령 후보인 이재명이 공약으로까지 밀었던곳이라 쉬쉬하는중.. 어쩔수없지 뭐
The people who own the airport also own the media so it’s in their best interest no one knows.
They are not silent. all korean media and comments are blaming the airport. but it's not the main cause of the crash. the carrier was notorious for poor maintenance and one flight from jeju air had to return back even this morning due to landing gear flaw.
@@killroy1117wow. Is that true??
lol it's an old airport. What are the Korean authorities going to do?
이건 명백히 공항 설계상의 문제고 관련자들은 처벌받아야한다
After it was selected as the airport construction site, many Korean experts opposed it, and the basis for their opposition was very scientific and persuasive, but a local influential politician pushed ahead with the airport construction.
The area has a migratory bird habitat that is very large even by global standards.
After the airport was completed, it was not permitted to operate international flights until recently.
Although it was permitted to operate international flights in December 2024, it was the result of politicians from local political parties pushing ahead.
A major disaster occurred 21 days after the international flight permit was issued.
It is an airport that was built solely for political interests and election purposes, ignoring aviation experts and scientific evidence. It is the worst airport that runs a huge deficit every year and cannot be operated without subsidies from the central government....
결재한 관련자 몇 명 있겠어요? 처벌하기가 불가합니다.
와 민주당은 범죄집단이다
저도 그럴줄 알았는대 어제 YTN 인가 연합인가 어느 전문가 나와서 처벌할 근거가 없답니다...
@@vvvgrffgghhj Unfreakinbelievable if this is not punishable. Those politicians should be put to spotlight for ignoring scientific findings.
What an absolute shame! Most definitely all would have survived this accident if not for the concrete wall 😢
100% agree. Stupid to build that giant mound of dirt reinforced with concrete at the end of the runway just to elevate the localizer antenna. Usually the antenna is elevated with a structure designed to break away if impacted. I think when the final report comes out it will state that design should never have been approved.
Relax, it didn’t happen in your country
@@owensmith3995Does it matter? People of all nationalities board commercial flights - it affects everyone.
@@owensmith3995 owen buddy take your meds
@@clintk he sounds like an american hayseed
Why are they only talking about this when there was already a tragedy? Be proactive not reactive dumbasses
The end-of-road barrier could have been a drag net, pit of sand, or something that will slow down the plane instead of a wall that cause explosion on impact.
Rest in peace on the departed souls.
Typically there's a sand pit exactly for this scenario
@Shadowboost however, insufficient at that scenario. This will be a lesson learned for all terminals.
🤣🤣🤣👉🤡KR, 🤏🤏🤏
🤣👉🤡KR, 🤏🤏🤏
Problem is online experts who have never been to that airport talking like they're experts. Unfortunately there are restaurants, hotels and a resort on the other side of that barrier. Slowing down is not an option.
No justification for the wall to be there at all.
Stop those migrant planes.
@Kayak_233 not funny and doesn't make much sense either dude.
@@Kayak_233 my guess is also this. a relic of the cold war.
prevent large military cargo planes from landing.
@@irimeyilmaz956 The airport came into operation in 2007, I don't think that is the case
@@Kayak_233 bro it's very far from north korea
A similar airplane malfunction like this happened before, but the pilots landed in nearby waters instead of forcing a rushed landing onto the runway which saved many lives unlike this one.
at the point this plane left the runway, they probably had enough speed to clear that wall and ditch it in the sea.
한국인으로써 마음이 너무 아픕니다. 국내뉴스에서 자꾸 조류때문이라고 하는데 저 콩크리트 벽 때문이 확실하다고 영상으로 보여집니다.
After it was selected as the airport construction site, many Korean experts opposed it, and the basis for their opposition was very scientific and persuasive, but a local influential politician pushed ahead with the airport construction.
The area has a migratory bird habitat that is very large even by global standards.
After the airport was completed, it was not permitted to operate international flights until recently.
Although it was permitted to operate international flights in December 2024, it was the result of politicians from local political parties pushing ahead.
A major disaster occurred 21 days after the international flight permit was issued.
It is an airport that was built solely for political interests and election purposes, ignoring aviation experts and scientific evidence. It is the worst airport that runs a huge deficit every year and cannot be operated without subsidies from the central government.
@@argxoxo7326 Those people should be held responsible!
@@argxoxo7326 it was first planned 1986, and opened 2007.
국제선 허용? 민주당이 죽였네
It's not just the bird strike that's to blame: why didn't the flaps open? Why didn't the landing gear go down? Even if the hydraulic system goes down, the electrical system should still work.
There was similar landing in Toronto, Air France, AB A340 overran the runway and skidded way beyond the port, but they managed to save everyone because the plane had enough space to slow down and stop in relative safety.
Happened in Jamaica in 2009, Boeing overran the runway and took out a chainlink fence flew over a road and landed on a beach. No fatalities. Because the fence was not concrete
Its common design to give much space even after a long runway, because of the nature of the purpose a runway serves, it must be assumed a plane will over shoot the runway safely
It's wrong to compare this case with south Korea one cos , the plane landed in the correct direction of runaway while south Korea one don't.
@@l.b.9567 I had friends on that flight! I remember it clearly. The only injury was a woman injured at the bottom of the slide after exiting the airplane which broke in three pieces. My friends casually walked out the crashed airplane unto the beach.
@@zenden9 There is no right or wrong in an emergency. This happened because of poor architecture. Approach and departure lanes can always be changed by ATC to account for emergencies.
결국 기장은 모두를 살렸고, 잘못 만들어진 시설물은 모두를 죽게 만들었다.
The wall is good.
really sad...
Cringe troll bait, go outside dude 🤡@@VictorianMaid99
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we need the final answer. is it available.
It breaks my heart so much. If only there were no concrete walls to eat, many people would have lived. I pray for the soul of the deceased to rest in peace.😢🙏🇰🇷
The runway utilization rate of the airport was 0.1%.
After it was selected as the airport construction site, many Korean experts opposed it, and the basis for their opposition was very scientific and persuasive, but a local influential politician pushed ahead with the airport construction.
The area has a migratory bird habitat that is very large even by global standards.
After the airport was completed, it was not permitted to operate international flights until recently.
Although it was permitted to operate international flights in December 2024, it was the result of politicians from local political parties pushing ahead.
A major disaster occurred 21 days after the international flight permit was issued.
It is an airport that was built solely for political interests and election purposes, ignoring aviation experts and scientific evidence. It is the worst airport that runs a huge deficit every year and cannot be operated without subsidies from the central government.
The level of exposé in this is crazy 😮
:O
Please highlight this comment.
Is this true?? I don't believe anything I read in a comment until I see a legitimate source. Which political party was behind this? The impeached guy?
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how come not a single Korean media mentions about the wall?
I think they can’t be accept this fault.
민주당 하는 짓이 다 그렇지뭐...무안공항 참사라고 안하고 끝까지 제주항공참사라고함. 지들 책임 조금이라도 회피하려고
So true they completely obscured the biggest problem from us
Maybe their government instructed the media to cover up the real cause of the crash. It's embarrasing for a country's reputation.
Cause your government and media don't want to get criticizrd😂
that area is supposed to have only frangible objects, basically, landing lights, or other systems. Someone thought of installing a concrete fence to protect the lights in case a plane skids off the runway?! That's insane.
Why are they only talking about this when there was already a tragedy? Be proactive not reactive dumbasses
I think they may not have intention to do that. But they want it to survive Typhoon winds.
But still it should not extend from ground level. The consult company of the design must be sued. For real.
Or perhaps the airport CEO is protecting the property of his friend in front of the runway?😳 It looks like there's a small orchard on one side of that property. If that's Persimmon or Pear, it's probably more valuable than human life for them!!! They love those fruits in South Korea.
Don’t forget their northern brethren’s are essentially in a countrywide cult. They have some strange ideas in the peninsula.
its a dirt mound to elevate the localizer antenna, for god knows what reason. since it's koreans, i also wouldn't be surprised if this incident turns out to be another case of a 250 hour first officer not speaking up to his 10,000 hour captain to "protect his honor." *cough* asiana 214. though as blunt as it may seem.
I was thinking the exact same thing first time I saw that video. Why is there a wall there?
From the sinking of the Sewol ferry to the stampede at Itaewon, and now this plane disaster, every tragedy in South Korea feels weird.
Nah it just expose how they not really first world country their corruption is very deep and deadly
Not to forget collapsed of shopping mall
Im sorry but unless it's strictly for business and unavoidable i wont ever visit this country
There is so much conflict of interest and lack of enforcement of regulations in South Korea; for instance the shipping regulatory agency at the time of the Sewol sinking was also a trade group. Safety takes a back seat to economic expediency
Even the presidency is weird there.
That’s insane. An identical KLM plane landed in a similar way in Norway two days ago. No casualties, just a plane that came to a halt in the mud. Don’t build walls at the end of runways. Insane
Did it land with gear up and "flat" wing?
After it was selected as the airport construction site, many Korean experts opposed it, and the basis for their opposition was very scientific and persuasive, but a local influential politician pushed ahead with the airport construction.
The area has a migratory bird habitat that is very large even by global standards.
After the airport was completed, it was not permitted to operate international flights until recently.
Although it was permitted to operate international flights in December 2024, it was the result of politicians from local political parties pushing ahead.
A major disaster occurred 21 days after the international flight permit was issued.
It is an airport that was built solely for political interests and election purposes, ignoring aviation experts and scientific evidence. It is the worst airport that runs a huge deficit every year and cannot be operated without subsidies from the central government.
Because the pilot was experienced and there was no brick wall on the way.
@@User122-ty It was normal "overshoot"... Gear was down. It was only meters from total disaster
Not in a similar way at all, that plane landed with the gear down.
This must never happen again, they all need inspecting runways
Im surprised of misinformation brokies in all rest comments
ITS REVERSE WAY OF LANDING They acrossed had no choice
It will always happen. Been happening many many times. They still don't really do anything about it
Runaway is secondary. The main concern is why the plane landed as it did.
Finally someone talks sense
All I watched so far is blaming birds and landing gear
"Verging on criminal" 콘크리트벽을 저렇게 설치해둔건 "범죄에 가깝다"고 표현했네요
한국언론은 이 보도를 인용하여 보도를 할 필요가 있으며 참사의 원인 분석에는 의회나 국토부의 개입없이 중립적인 제3국의 조사가 필요하다
After it was selected as the airport construction site, many Korean experts opposed it, and the basis for their opposition was very scientific and persuasive, but a local influential politician pushed ahead with the airport construction.
The area has a migratory bird habitat that is very large even by global standards.
After the airport was completed, it was not permitted to operate international flights until recently.
Although it was permitted to operate international flights in December 2024, it was the result of politicians from local political parties pushing ahead.
A major disaster occurred 21 days after the international flight permit was issued.
It is an airport that was built solely for political interests and election purposes, ignoring aviation experts and scientific evidence. It is the worst airport that runs a huge deficit every year and cannot be operated without subsidies from the central government.
뭐만하면 제3국이 할꺼면 나라는 왜 있냐ㅉㅉ
우리나라 일을 왜 외국이 조사하냐 너 혹시 CIA에 아이유나 정치인들 신고하고 윤 구속한다고 미국에 신고릴레이하면서 국격훼손하는 2찍이니
@@은반복두현재 우리나라 언론은 객관적이지 못하니깐 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
@@은반복두 전라도에 민주당이 개입한 공항은 잘못없고 미국의 보잉이 잘못이라고 한 댓가를 치뤄야지? 어디서 말만 지르고 외국 개입을 피하려 해?
This is unforgivable. Shame on whoever designed this runway overshoot and all of those that allow it to happen.
Isn't it because of the road behind the wall?
What did we learn today people?
Never build a wall in front of a runway
It doesn't take a genius to know concrete at the end of a runway was a bad idea. 200 m buffer on a 2800m short runway is definitely not sufficient. Even after so many years, nothing has been done? Deaths were totally avoidable. RIP.
Korean authorities have never had a reputation for being smart. Remember how many students died in the cruise ship a few years back ? Students were told by 'authorities' to remain inside their cabin. In the meantime, the captain escaped.....
@Divinarium1 There IS NO wrong direction. Every runway is designed to be used in either direction.
@@lawrencedavidson6195yep, that's why there's runway number on both ends. There are so many trying to propagate this wrong information as to shift the blame.
@Divinarium1 I work at an international airport and have some flight training. ALL runways are to be used from both directions depending on wind direction. One direction is just more common that the other, that's all.
Edit: On this day wind was calm so any runway direction could be used safely.
@Divinarium1 As already pointed out, runways can be used both directions, wrong direction would've been if the wind didn't allow it which I doubt is the case here.
I saw the initial landing and thought "wow that's the perfect emergency landing" so was stumped on why they went into a fireball. Thanks for clearing this up.
Further clarification, that wall was at the start of the runway, where planes first fly over to come down. Sensationalism
@@alwaysyouramanda That doesn't matter lol. Landing strips are always made to be usable in both directions, exactly in case of emergencies when there are no options other than to land. Get those ignorant comments out of there and stop defending criminally bad infrastructure design.
Everyone is obsessed with birds, and now they’re obsessed with the wall, haha. Everyone, just wait. The investigation is still ongoing. No one knows the exact cause
@@alwaysyouramandaI thought the landing direction would depend on the wind direction 😂😂
@@tanlafuvo The cause is very important, but the most important fact here is that, without the wall at the end of the runway, it is almost certain no one on the plane would have died, as the plane would not have crashed at all.
So, really, no matter what the cause of the incident was, if the airport had not been constructed the way it had been, this tragedy would never have happened.
Ultimately, the airport is responsible for the deaths of these people even more so than the other points of failure which lead to the accident in the first place.
Crazy design imo.
another tragedy to expose corruption from SK once again, happened so many times lol
it was like watching a crash test with a plane on a sled
What crazy design? Any airport runway that has a civilian road beyond it will have a similar wall to prevent it from going beyond that
Why are they only talking about this when there was already a tragedy? Be proactive not reactive dumbasses
@@ml-jt6egthis one literally has an empty field behind the runway what’s your point lmao
Having collapsible structures on the airfield is a fundamental air safety requirement. Amazing that they put a big concrete structure at the end of that runway. The risk assessment score for that should have been through the roof! RIP.
The sinking of the ferry, the Halloween crowd crush and now this disaster. South Korea seems to have a big problem with safety issues and protocols being overlooked, and where if things were done just a bit differently many lives could have been saved. RIP to the victims. It's so sad especially at this time of the year.
@@jaker3151 it's a country with chaotic minds
Look up "Sampoong Mall"
Adding to that sadly the Sampoong mall collapse back in 1995 that killed around 500 and injured almost 1000.. ㅜㅜ
The President of the Republic of Korea tried to separate the people by starting an army
Crazy, ya
내가 영어를 배울려고 하는 이유중 하나_ 한국 언론말을 믿을수가 없다
Logan Airport in Boston had a blast fence at the end of the runway abutting Bayswater St. They removed it many years ago because it was an obstruction and dangerous.
Interesting. I'm thinking it could have been built as a blast shield, especially where airports are ready to be used as military airfields at short notice.
@@SteveLomas-k6k Yes it was to deflect jet blasts/noise.
@@JoeSmith-ig3pr now if they could remove all the residential housing right up to the edges of Midway in Chicago which has relatively short runways. That airport has always scared me.
This could be the impetus to remove the Hyatt Regency Hotel at the end of Runway 32. Removing that hotel clears up a major hazard of using Runway 14/32.
This is not the first major accident that has cost hundreds of lives in Korea due to incompetence. The Sewol Ferry disaster should have been a wake up call for the country to re-examine all existing protocol and infrastructure related to public transport and safety. This disaster was totally avoidable and people need to be held accountable.
Years of training, years of experience, skilful landing, only to be betrayed by a random concrete wall 😵💫
I know - absolutely gut wrenching. This was completely survivable.
What’s worse is the brainwashing that happens in these countries. No one is talking about the concrete wall. They’re blaming it on bird strike
Actually, it looks like the crew screwed up. The investigation will tell conclusively.
It’s a dirt berm, not concrete the ILS array sits on, regardless the array should be on the ground…it wouldn’t have mattered because not far behind it sits a concrete wall that defines the border of the airport grounds, and the aircraft would have crashed into that with the same result
Its concrete on the back side bub. Dirt mound backes by...CONCRETE. Should not be there, period.
I fully agree - building that wall was a criminal act!
Why are they only talking about this when there was already a tragedy? Be proactive not reactive dumbasses
외국매체들은 구조물에 중점적으로 보도 및 분석하는데 정작 사고당사국인 우리나라는 이부분에 왜 명확한 분석 및 보도를 안하는건지... 그리고 아직 명확한 사고원인이 안나왔다라고 하지만 만약 저 구조물에 의한 충격으로 피해를 키웠다면 제주항공사고라고만 하지말고 무안공항사고 라고도 사고이름 변경 생각해봐야하는거 아니냐는 생각도 드네
저걸 만드라고 지시한 공항책임자가 민주당, 이악물고 공항문제였다고 보도는 1도 안하는 국내언론. 진짜 이상하지 않음??
@@zinel11 저거공항 관리하는곳이 국토교통부 밑에 한국공항공사일텐데요.. 민주당이 왜나오는건지 모르겠네... 이상황에서도 어떻게든 좌우갈등부추겨서 도리도리 계엄 정당화할려고 알바들 풀었네
그리고 저거 지금 언론에 잘나오지도 않고 콘크리트 둔덕숨기고 그냥공항외벽에부딧혔다고 숨기는 보면 캥기는쪽이 어디인지 답나오지않나ㅋㅋ좄선일보도 공항외벽에 부딧혔다고 기사쓴거 본것 같은데..
@@zinel11 저거 청주. 여수 .. 양양 공항에도 있다던데... 무슨 이상한 민주당 탓하는지 모르겠네
@@1111ssekm 저거 만들라고 지시한인간이 당시 공항공사사장이고 지금 민주당이라고 그냥 팩트인데 왜 부들거림?
@@1111ssekm NOBODY is saying the plane crashed into the "outer wall of the airport". It was a rugged structure for ILS antennas etc.
This is so stupid, it has to take a plane crashing into that wall for people to notice!? I bet there are other walls at the end of the runway in other airports. They should start thinking about removing them.
Looks like a completely survivable crash if that damn wall wasnt there.
Almost Successful emergency landing
Not at those speeds. It would have started tearing apart the fuselage and maybe tumble like Asiana airlines at SFO. If it made it to the water it’d still be like hitting a brick wall. Yeah more people would have survived but many… too many would have still died.
Yep. Similar accident happened in 2005 in Toronto where I live. All 309 people on the plane survived, because there is no structure at the end of our runways. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_358
the families need to push for justice and change in airport structure regulations, the pilots were able to safely put the plane on the ground, what more could they have done, they are heroes for putting all their knowledge to try and save the people aboard that aircraft
@final3119 without the flaps and engine reverse a belly landing would still be very dangerous
If it wasn't for that wall, chances of survival would have been more. Airports across the world must be checked for similar obstructions. Period. 😤😤😤
At least the airport CEO was able to protect the plants growing in his friend's property in front of the runway! I wouldn't discount that scenario considering how corruption in South Korean Government is now unravelling.
I work at an airport in a third world country and we have nearly a quarter mile of runway run off after the end of the runway. The runway lights are designed to snap off easily if hit by an airplane.
I'm not from the engineering field and I will say that's insane too. It's common sense for any emergency landing situation.
Very stupid design.
of course the plane was slowing down too, probably hit the wall at 100km just like in a car the chances of sirvival are close to none that explains the only 2 sirvivors at the back out of around 180 on board
@@nicholas-k8jThe aircraft was travelling about 200 mph (320 km/h) when it touched down, and about 140 mph (200 km/h) when it impacted the dirt berm that supported the ILS localizer antennas.
Planes overshoot the runway often. The wall was idiotic. All commercial airports should have nothing but a field past the runway.
And when they do, they're generally on their wheels, and have slowed down considerably.
deep sand/gravel to slow the plane down, like the runaway lanes they have on the highway for big trucks.
@@jimmyzhao2673 Probably could be accomplished off the pavement on either side of the runway if the pilots were previously aware of the idiotic structure placement.
Either field or EMAS
@@jimmyzhao2673they have something like that for planes, called EMAS. usually synthetic material that the plane sinks into and slows down rapidly
Common sense is not too common with people designing airport runways
나도 20년차 항덕이고, 비행기 좋아서 공군 갔다왔고, 비행조종시뮬레이터로 국내외 주요 공항 다 이착륙 + 서클링 이착륙 다 해본 사람이라 항공 사고는 토씨만 들으면 바로 딱 감잡히는데...
사고 소식 듣자마자 라고 생각했고
사고 영상 보자마자 라고 생각했고
저 안에 콘크리트 구조물이 있었다는 사실을 알고 나서는 더 할 말을 잃었다.
영상을 잘 보세요.....애초에 비행기가 활주로 중간을 벗어난 지점부터 착륙했습니다....그래서 짧게 느껴진거에요
착륙지점 보시면 입출국장 건물 지나서부터 내립니다....거기가 중간지점인데
@@내몸에소독약그게 포인트가 아니죠
저 벽이 없었다면 흙을 더 지나면서 속도가 급격히 줄었을거고 벽돌과 철조망으로 된 공항 외벽을 뚫으면서 더 줄었을거고 그 뒤에 도로랑 흙을 지나면서 멈췄을 겁니다. 공항 외벽으로 부터 민가까지는 800m 정도 여유 공간이 있습니다.
참고로 활주로 끝부터 로컬라이저 (둔턱) 까지는 언론 보도된 323m가 아니라 200m 조금 넘습니다.
@내몸에소독약 그건 저도 압니다. 런웨이의 35% 지점에서 최초 접지했고 런웨이의 15% 지점에서 착지했으면 대형참사로는 안 갔을 겁니다. 근데 그것만 지적하는 건 님께서 비전문가라는 증거입니다.
어제 사고는 유압계통이 통째 망가져서 랜딩기어랑 같이 FLAP도 작동 안했어요. FLAP이 열리지않으면 기체는 고도가 안 떨어집니다. FLAP이 열려야 속도가 줄고 고도가 떨어집니다. 180도 작은 선회반경으로 돌아서 재착륙하는 상황 + 엔진에 불난 상황에 수평 맞추고 방위각 맞춰서 런웨이 35% 지점에 재착지한 것만으로도 캡틴은 정말 신들린 조종을 한 겁니다.
다른 영상에선 저 구조물을 바닥아래에 설치해야 한다는데 맞나요?ㅠㅠ저걸 위에 지었어도 안에 콘크리트를 붓는게 이해가 안간다고....
The airport is closed to international flights, but the day after the president was impeached, a leftist political party changed it to allow international flights🫢
who the hell put that there ??????????????? Don't need to be educated to say that's insane !!!
Definitely by some smart Korean person.
It's called an ILS localizer. It takes an educated person to know why it is there. But yes it shouldn't have been built with a raised concrete foundation.
Sum Tim Wong
@ It does not take an educated person to understand we are talking about the wall and not the localizer on top of the wall. Normal localizers sat on the ground and are designed to bend in case of a plane crash. Most runways have wired fences that do the same. Only Koreans the smartest people in the galaxy build a wall of annihilation at the end of their runways.
Really bad airport design.
이런 분석을 정작 한국뉴스에선 못보고. .
Because they're not thinking about the passengers... Not people oriented!
무안공항의 역사부터 시작해서 책임소재 낱낱이 따지면 어느 한 정당을 가리키긴 해 ㅋㅋㅋ
지금상황에서 제일 궁금한건 왜 랜딩기어가 안내려왔고, 수동조작을 못했으며, 왜 플랩 스포일러가 작동안했고 빠른속도로 활주로중간에 착륙했을까이기 때문임.
너도 탄핵 당하고 싶어? 어떻게 감히 전라도를 욕할 생각을 하냐?
@@kpo1402역추진은 했나요
this is why corruption needs to be purged. Sounds like bribery to have that even allowed there and to have international flights when it didnt match regulations of the country.
Whoever thought it was ok to put a wall there needs to be put in prison
@@smellytwat7278not a funny matter, keep your left wing stuff to yourself when a serious matter with many people lose their lives
@@smellytwat7278it’s South Korea, not Mexico
@@smellytwat7278 ZING!!!!
As a South Korean, I can say ridiculous designs and constructed objects to harm or kill people like the concrete wall are still everywhere in the country.
backward country
how about tower condominiums that have insufficient rebar? korea has it all
After it was selected as the airport construction site, many Korean experts opposed it, and the basis for their opposition was very scientific and persuasive, but a local influential politician pushed ahead with the airport construction.
The area has a migratory bird habitat that is very large even by global standards.
After the airport was completed, it was not permitted to operate international flights until recently.
Although it was permitted to operate international flights in December 2024, it was the result of politicians from local political parties pushing ahead.
A major disaster occurred 21 days after the international flight permit was issued.
It is an airport that was built solely for political interests and election purposes, ignoring aviation experts and scientific evidence. It is the worst airport that runs a huge deficit every year and cannot be operated without subsidies from the central government.jj
Mr.David is absolutely correct. Such a foolish structure 😢
Why are they only talking about this when there was already a tragedy? Be proactive not reactive dumbasses
I've been wondering why would they made a concrete wall at the end of the runway, why.
Cant imagine how hopeless the pilots must have felt, they did their best to land the plane despite the problem but they still cant overcome the factors beyond their control. Rip to all the victims
nvm was told theres still back up manual landing gear which may have helped to brake the plane, and that wall was supposed to be at the start of the run way. They still need to investigate further.
I think the pilots were too panicked and didn't do some things well. But panic is normal. After all, if something goes wrong, they will definitely be the first to die. The pilots' panic is actually foreseeable, but coupled with external influences... This concrete wall is absolutely fatal.
Now they need to check if any other airport have like this. If more has, it needs to be changed!
decades ago there was a series of similar disasters and thats when guidelines for clear runway runoffs were made. its all been known since then, but apparently not to everyone?? i cant fathom how someone could even think of building an airport like this today.
Fits in with the global population thinning agenda though. I'm not saying it's right. I'm just sayin'.
I never seen something similar in other places, safety regulations are very strict about this on every airport, I even was shocked to see the signals there, when I see usually on the sides of the runway not on end. But of course will be good check everywhere just in case. But I think this is only on Corea. So sad
@@Javier77040 There are walls in airports of other countries too
In every Korean news network they don't show when the aircraft hit the wall for some reason
I imagine it's out of respect. 180 odd people lost their lives.
saving face.
@@SyntaxError0287or afraid of higher-ups
무안공항의 존재 이유가, 정치적 목적이었기에 해당 정치계에서는 적극적으로 조종사 과실로 방향을 몰아가고 있습니다.
They don't want lawsuits against the airport itself but rather blame it on the birds & the plane malfunctioning.
What everyone is missing here is that it was only seven minutes from bird strike to touching down. Why only seven minutes?
Not just concrete, they reinforced it like they’re expecting to stop a runaway tank .
they seemed to be more concerned about protecting that highway from aircraft. insanity that someone approved that. runway overruns happen *somewhat* frequently around the world
Someone said it was because of typhoon risk in the area
And that design flaw wasn't noticed until now? Someone should be accountable.
Its Korea, they barely hold anyone with money accountable unless heavy protests start
It has been 17 years since the aiport opened. I guess, blaming game has began. Let's see who has more influence and money to win. Tragedy of it all, 179 people lost their lives and their families were left to mourn. I see monetary compensation, I don't see criminal responsibility happening. There will be no justice. Rich and powerful always win.
저는 미시간주에 살고있는데요.. 지금 한국항공사고 소식 전하는 미국 언론들 헤드라인이 다 영상같은 제목이에요.
믿을 수 없을 정도로 비상식적인 한국공항의 설계 이렇게요. 한국도 역시 중국처럼 신뢰할만한 국가가 아니다라는 분위기가 엄청 생기고 있습니다.
안그래도 북한 때문에 불안한 이미지가 있는데 이번에 계엄에다가, 비상식적인 항공 설계로 인한 참사까지 나면서 한국에 대한 이미지가 상당히 타격이 큽니다.. 거기에 오징어2도 망했고
lol Squid Game two far below expectations
I thought Squid Game 2 was awesome
😉
lol squid game 2 did not fail. Maybe they shouldn’t have a separate season 3 and just put that together with season 2.
In South Korea, discussions about the incident are solely focused on bird strikes, with no mention of any issues related to the airport. The perspectives between South Korea and other countries are vastly different.
Why would they voluntarily claim fault? Of course they’d rather blame external forces, rather than make the whole country look bad
@@roycesato4129 just look at this comment section, Koreans already looking for external, completely unrelated explanations rather than admit own design issues
@@lzasnw "lol pls anytime anything goes poorly yall pretend it’s someone else’s problem. When we all know SK is the land of 🤏🏾🤏🏾🤏🏾🤏🏾", " they love seppuku even more than their neighbors" -----> @lzasnw comments.
@@roycesato4129 Gives some China and North Korea vibes... truth is coming out anyway, rather just admit it than the other way around.
The bird strike affects the engine, in this case one. aircrafts like this can fly on one engine with full controls, gears etc.
This is absolutely criminal on the airport engineers part.
the airport is probally built in the 70s.... its not the fault of the 1970s engineers that the plan was doing 180mph at the end of the runway..... landing speed is like120mph in this plane.
the pilots fucked up....
@@AnarchyEnsues How is it the pilot’s fault if the landing gear was faulty??
@@AnarchyEnsues Nope, it doesn't matter when the airport was built, if it needs to be updated it is their responsibility to do so, otherwise they've been negligent, how much they're at fault the investigation will tell.
It was built in 2007 as he mentioned. @@AnarchyEnsues
@@AnarchyEnsueswhat a dumb response. It’s 2024 and safety regulations should have been followed. This is a new airport btw.
그러니깐요. 무슨 일이 있었던간에 동체착륙을 잘 했잖아요. 그런데, 결과적으로 저 흙더미와 벽이 문제였던건데. 한국은 공항이야기는 없음.
저도 벽에 대한 문제점은 동의하는데 복합적인 문제점으로 봐야하는 것 아닌가요? 1차적으로 랜딩기어가 펼쳐졌다면 버드스트라이크로 인한 정상적인 회항으로 마무리 되었을텐데요. 벽 문제 vs 기체문제가 아니라 벽 and 기체문제로 원인파악을 해야하는 것 같은데.. 왜 한쪽 측면은 아에 배제하고 어느쪽이 문제다 이렇게 하려는건지 모르겠네요
이걸 벽탓만 한다고? ㅋㅋㅋ이보쇼 제주항공은 엔진결함, 랜딩기어 결함때문에 말 많았어요 ㅋㅋ
오늘 또 같은 기체 하나가 랜딩기어 문제가 발생했다는데 1차적인 원인에 더 집중해서 분석해야지 이걸 공항 탓만 하면 뭐가 바뀜?
핸드폰이 문제인데 배달기사를 탓하고있는 꼴 ㅋㅋ
공항옹벽문제도 있는것은 맞아요 저런거 외국공항이나 인천국제공항에는 없잖슴;;; 어디서 보니 공항설계할때 지반설계와 지반공사가 잘못되었고
돈아낄라고 저렇게 콘크리트공구리쳐서 세웠다고 하는사람도 있던데요
@@NY_123바뀌지
저게 없엇으면 대부분 안죽엇을테니까
결론은 항공사, 공항 둘 다 문제였던거죠. 싸우지들 말아요..
something in korea built poorly… *SURPRISE*
Yeah, i always looked at South Korea as a 1st world country but then things like this, working conditions and the general corporate hellscape it is make me rethink it.
Criminal negligence. Whoever designed that wall must be imprisoned.
Never gonna happen
It's all built within the regulation. There's no foul play on that part.
Airport designer shouldn’t have to account for aircraft travelling at 100+mph hundreds of meters after the end of the runway. If the wall wasn’t there the aircraft would of collided with another obstruction further along.
@@gtsguy4138 I read that the ILS LOC was sited in accordance with ICAO guidelines, however I feel these guidelines may be updated soon....
Building that airport itself is a criminal. That airport which is located in a rural area was built for political purposes and local populism.
Actually it was a kind of monumental which was supposed to be named after Kim Daejung, the formal president who is known for the Nobel prize. He was found to give an illegal bribery to Kim Jungil the formal north korea leader before and after he got the Nobel prize. This is known as Cash for summit.
The airport just started to open international lines to boost up usage rate bc the airport hadn’t been busy at all. The airport management got to be poor looking back on its usage and low budget.
Who ever design the airport wall too close to the runway should be sued to court by the victim families
It wasn't the wall. It was a berm-enclosed reinforced concrete structure supporting the runway ILS antenna array. But whoever allowed THAT to be constructed and placed there should definitely face some legal scrutiny.
The plane was going to fast. Look at this airport from google earth, if it had not hit the wall it would have continued like a missile into the sea.
@@mojo199lol no, speed decelerates exponentially once it loses momentum, another 100 yards and it would've stopped
@mojo
I think the pilot wanted to achieve that... (He beautifully landed the plane...)
It puts the plane into the wall.
They are throwing all the blame on bird .Sad bird can't even defend themselves.
What a ridiculous comment. People have died. Grow up and have some respect.
🤣💀💀 very underrated comment. RIP Launchpad McQuack
Chances are it wasn’t a bird strike that caused the issues anyway. Taking out an engine doesn’t destroy all 3 hydraulic systems.
Any word on how the bird is doing ?
Criminal negligence , yes absolutely criminal
새때든 랜딩기어든 조종사는 무사히 동체 착륙에 성공했음 저 벽만 없었으면 최소한 불은 나지 않았다
After it was selected as the airport construction site, many Korean experts opposed it, and the basis for their opposition was very scientific and persuasive, but a local influential politician pushed ahead with the airport construction.
The area has a migratory bird habitat that is very large even by global standards.
After the airport was completed, it was not permitted to operate international flights until recently.
Although it was permitted to operate international flights in December 2024, it was the result of politicians from local political parties pushing ahead.
A major disaster occurred 21 days after the international flight permit was issued.
It is an airport that was built solely for political interests and election purposes, ignoring aviation experts and scientific evidence. It is the worst airport that runs a huge deficit every year and cannot be operated without subsidies from the central government.
Literally the worst place to put a wall
Whoever decided to build a CONCRETE WALL on a short runway to protect dirt needs life in prison.
A lot of dumb CT’s in today world and many have degrees .
apparently the korean comments are saying they dont want to bring attention to the wall in korean media because it points at a political party
@leredditcommander8208 all factors should be scrutinized openly. PS- I thought humanity was past the point of blaming "birds" for disasters. 4 plane crashes in 72 hours is not acceptable for Boeing, and putting a "death wall" on a short runway isn't excusable either.
The designer and approver of design of that wall should be held accountable. That is stupidity
A wall to surround an airport is one thing. A wall right beyond a runway is insane and asinine, and 179 people are dead because of it. Whoever thought that was a good idea needs to be held accountable.
It's not a wall, it's a localizer antenna.
@@do-while Overbuilt on a concrete structure.🤦♂
just insane. everyone knows there is huge run off for runways, everywhere i have ever flown has huge amounts of land for this reason alone. It's crazy how they built a wall on the run off and no one ever questioned it for years...
@@ronuss only in Korea
They will not questioning it if there no casualty from accident. Like pithole in road, if there tragic case because of it, they will respond. If no, they ignore it.
@@poqwerty it's not that they ignore, they don't even recognize/realize there is potential danger. That's how they are.
I think this plane landed from oposit side , this is why , wall was begging of the runway not the end.
@robant5578 that's really not the point. Why did they allow the plane to land into the wall? is the point.
to think all those people could have walked away
Blaming the wall for this tragedy would be like blaming the ground if someone falls out of a building.
Not really. It is common sense to know the safety hazard of putting a damn wall or concrete in a runaway. I guess common sense isn't really common huh
@@Indiscreetmess Probably in the entire history of commercial aviation, no plane has ever reached the end of the runway traveling at 200 knots. This was not a design consideration. Sure it would be better if it wasn't there, but even without the wall, they were probably doomed. The plane was already starting to tumble when it hit the berm.
i said the same thing the moment i saw this early this morning. a concrete wall at the end of the runway makes 0 sense. there needs to be lawsuits over this.
Why are they only talking about this when there was already a tragedy? Be proactive not reactive dumbasses
The aircraft hit a dirt berm 840 feet past the end of Runway 19. It did not hit the exterior concrete security fence.
@@teebob21 NOBODY IS SAYING THAT IT HIT AN EXTERIOR CONCRETE SECURITY FENCE! It DID hit a concrete structure supporting antennas though. QUIT MISINFORMING!
@Divinarium1what was the wind direction that day . Bet the pilot landed that way into the wind to help slow the plane down.
@@joshb6100 Winds at MWX were calm, 0-5 kts.
Now for that wall, they must give compensation to the people who have died...
Who the hell had given the permit for that wall?
No compensation the money will go to taking the wall down ridiculous
How would that redeem lost souls?
I truly sense we are all angry. It's so tragic
@bamideleifenowo4179 Nothing can replace them... but at least the families can get something out of it...
Why are they only talking about this when there was already a tragedy? Be proactive not reactive dumbasses
The airplane didn't hit the perimeter wall. It struck the concrete foundation for the ILS approach lights.
NOBODY is saying it hit "the perimeter wall". The antennas were built too ruggedly on a concrete structure which the plane HIT.🤦♂
This expert is incorrect. There are many airports that have solid barriers at the end of the runway, especially in dense city areas. Taipei's Songshan has a concrete wall, and solid bollards at the end.
아 증말 너무 안타깝다... 대형 비행기를 조종하셨던 분들이 하나같이 지적하는 저렇게 로컬라이저를 만드는 경우가 최악이다 이상하다 끔찍하다라고 하네.. 진짜 부드럽게 미끄러져서 공항 경계벽을 뚫고 나가더라도 충분히 부드럽게 정지해서 아무도 사망하지 않았을텐데...
After it was selected as the airport construction site, many Korean experts opposed it, and the basis for their opposition was very scientific and persuasive, but a local influential politician pushed ahead with the airport construction.
The area has a migratory bird habitat that is very large even by global standards.
After the airport was completed, it was not permitted to operate international flights until recently.
Although it was permitted to operate international flights in December 2024, it was the result of politicians from local political parties pushing ahead.
A major disaster occurred 21 days after the international flight permit was issued.
It is an airport that was built solely for political interests and election purposes, ignoring aviation experts and scientific evidence. It is the worst airport that runs a huge deficit every year and cannot be operated without subsidies from the central government.