@@StrsAmbrg This is just speculation, cause these people don't exist in real life, but it seems that these two have been in the company for some time. Sam said 34 years, Tuld probably near that. And check what they talk about in 55:38 "You and I we're salesmen" and what comes after. These two go waaay back. Who knows how Tuld ended up in the "big chair" as he says. This movie is filled with little snippets of things that make you think about each character's back story.
@StrsAmbrg you can tell that they have a familiarity that others don't share. Everyone else is very formal with Tuld but Sam just speaks his mind and happily debates and argues with him
This movie belongs to the rare group of "perfect" movies. It even delivers the format of the classical greek drama with the action happens within a single day and (almost) in one place.
Demi Moore looks wonderful in this film and is a criminally underrated actress. Simon Baker ironically in an episode of 'The Mentalist' refers to investment bankers as 'heartless psychopaths.' This might not be verbatim what Patrick Jane ( played by Baker) says but if memory serves it's quite close. I burst out laughing when he said it and alarmed my wife. When I explained the reason for my amusement she too laughed.
Well, don't you think it's important to pay for a great movie, because just of that they can produce masterpieces like that again. And let it sink in: this is a low budget movie (compared to others in Hollywood) and that all the famous actors made it with less money than usual.
At Jared's level, there is no nice language, participle at crisis time. Have you never had a crisis at work? Straight talk, no B, no cottonwool sentences. Business is business. Did you want Jared to give him a hug?
You are aware that it were the quantitative idiots who assembled this shit. Thy physicists, mathematicians and finance mathematicians came up with creating this garbage assets. This happens when you hire people who know numbers, but have zero understanding for economical processes.
Engineer here ... the minimum amount of information to convey the essential points in the simplest language, for broadest understanding is better. The higher ups aren't dumb, they just don't care about the mechanics of some simulation, beyond its validity and conclusions.
Notice the information gets vaguer and more general as it passes up the chain. Peter, a junior analyst knows the most and spots the issue and his friend Seth is the most junior yet actually understands the details. Eric is gone. Will vaguely understands the VaR meaning and interpretation. Sam has been there so long he doesn't look at the main analyst software anymore. And the head person literally says "Talk as you would to a small child or a golden retriever" - but then makes the biggest decision, impacting tens of billions of dollars and thousands of lives in a moment. And stands by his conviction, completely opposite to people lower down who are second guessing and worrying about what to do.
They even mention it in the scene where there's two of them sitting in the room and the lady says things were not filtered upwards as intended. I feel sorry for Seth, he's most likely not going to get another job in the business because of his association with the firm and relative inexperience and lack of network that longer serving traders have created. Will also says he won't be fired but he's not entirely sure since Cohen isn't sure about his usefulness/loyalty. The other plot point is Peter getting promoted and presumably groomed by Cohen, over Sam again and will Peter do the same to Cohen (become a lower but longer worker's boss?) It's a brilliant film with all the drama but in a sterile corporate setting and no tangible props (except the cleaning lady's cart with sprays in the lift.)
I have a copy of this movie on DVD and watch it every few months. The acting is superb, the story is riveting and I cannot understand why more people don't know about this. Spacey needs to be doing more of these thrillers.
@@matthewprince9705 Except of course that he was cleared of any charges and found to be the greatest victim of false allegations under the Me-Too movement. He did nothing wrong but was accused of being a sexual predator and that's infiltrated his work life too. When someone has been maligned this badly, it really does need the industry to recognize that he was a victim, not a culprit.
Just one question about the DVD: how many deleted scenes are there? 2 or 3? Some people claimed that there is a deleted scene with Jared calling Tuld when he leaves the first meeting, but I have not been able to find it. (only the one with peter walking on the street and meeting that woman, and the speech Tuld gives). Thanks!
Look at the way this movie portrays its characters. Its feckin genius. At the start you think the fist characters are the overpaid despicable characters and it just builds and builds from there as new characters are introduced. It is so well written. Brilliant!
@@benediktotto6191 The dog Sam buried at the end, pointedly on ground which ain't even belongs to him anymore, is the literal starving dog which died that day, in a transferred sense, at Sam's very own hand - His dog being buried is the *embodied* metaphor of said _›fat cats and starving dogs‹_ the CEO Tuld was talking about at the table the very scene before! *Isn't that plain obvious?!* Tuld's metaphor of _›fat cats and starving dogs‹_ … _“It's all just the same thing over and over - We can't help ourselves!_ _And you and I can't control it or stop it or even slow it, or even ever so slightly alter it - We just react._ _We make a lot of money, if we get it right -and we're get left by the side of the road, if we get it wrong._ _… and there have always been and there always will be the same percentage of winners and losers, happy facts and sad sacks, fat cats and starving dogs in this world. Yeah, there may be more of us today than there's ever been, but the percentages they stay exactly the same!”_ The fat cats, which get rich at the end of the day (by owning more and more property), while the starving dogs (which got effectively robbed off their possessions) dying off on their _very _*_own_*_ former grounds_ they no longer are welcome on.
You know what's so comical about it? The joke is, that his own dog being the embodied metaphor of said _›fat cats and starving dogs‹_ the CEO Tuld was talking about at the table the very scene before, _it's also _*_Sam_*_ itself_ … Since Sam itself has been one of said fat cats for forty years in this business, yet now sheds his genuine yet false crocodile tears, when he becomes the starving dog for the first time itself - Such a joke, when he has been creating starving dogs for decades and couldn't care less. Except that he has been hoarding (and wasting) million-salaries every single year since decades, yet now stands there still empty-handed before his boss, wanting to get off the circus, not understanding, that he always was a integral part of it ever since for almost half a century!
Probably one of the most perfectly acted and scripted corporate films ever made. Also one of the most realistic interior corporate and banking situations
Prenup fellas. Prenup. Doesn't matter how good it is, no kitten is worth half your assets + alimony for the rest of your life. If she really is the one, you won't ever need it. If she isn't, you won't have to live in hell with regret for the rest of your life.
Great. Was about to watch this yesterday. It crashed with a football match. After the match was finished the film was removed from the streaming service. Luckily here it is.
Yeah, i lost my dog in 2008. My newspaper shutdown our branch unit in 2008. I got a transfer to another distant branch but many others got laid off. It was a life turning year for many of us.
Entirely correct, money is only valuable if people trust it and inflation is controlled. More valuable are skills, a home you own, food, guns and allies to defend it. Even if a lawyer or bank tries to threaten or steal from you, this way you can retaliate.
Why do employees forget, that we ALL are only Numbers to them. Dont ever sacrifice your inner peace for any Company. Only the family is it worth it to suffer, nur Never a firm, a Company of any Job, No matter if you get a thousand Bucks per month or per minute.
@@wardeggerrobertmarius144 I think it should be amended to saying loyalty should only be spent on loyal people. Plenty of families are just scummy to each other.
@@StimParavane well, this is just speculation, cause these people don't exist, but I think that they got the dog when they were still together in that house, and they got divorced not long after. Who knows why they split, but Sam works in finance, and those guys neglect their families a lot. 01:19:31 Peter Sullivan asks Sam if he spoke to his son, he says no. The ex in 01:41:07 says "Sammy called", and he kid called his mom, not his dad. So, he probably took the dog after the divorce cause dogs love you unconditionally, families don't. You need to put in the work in family ties. Plus maybe the wife never cared for the dog anyway, or even wanted one in the first place. So there you go, that's my theory. Plus I'm sure he tried to break in, drunk, a couple of times.
A labrador; if it had been a golden retriever, it would have been too on the nose. I think it signifies the American Dream. The fact that he is trying to bury it in his and his ex-wife's garden is even more telling.
I remember seeing the trailer to this movie when it first came out and I was shocked at how good it was. Didn't receive enough plaudits for everyone as they all brought their A-game.
@@nardinit The MBS that they were selling was given a false value by the rating agencies. The agencies did not bother to check the probity of the mortgage agreements which were being sold to people with no job or income as treble-A securities when they were actually going to default, or multiple mortgages to the same person on a teaser rate that would suddenly rise beyond the ability of repayment which would also default. A mortgage is based on the value of the property title but when too many titles default at the same time, the underlying value of the property drops substantially and suddenly a bond that might have been worth $400m is worth no more than a few million. The problem was that the Risk Management team (Eric Dale in the movie) stumbled on the fact that the defaults were rising and this was causing losses which were multiplying. As the company was trading mortgages, they'd stretched their borrowing so heavily that a small loss could equate to a value greater than the company. If the company stayed on the wrong side of this value of loss, they would be obliged to report it to the Government or face criminal sanctions because they were bankrupt. By selling the MBS to others, they were passing on a mixed bag of mortgages some of which were still valuable, but the amount being repaid by the valid AAA+ mortgages was not enough to compensate for the losses suffered on properties that were worth nothing.
What a great film, thank you so much! Stars without end, Irons, Spacey etc... The last half has got a sound that doesent quite match the picture I see - it comes a second later. May that be a problem with my server? Anyway my best regards - Anne
And the moment she asks Eric "Got kids?" and he confirms 3 and then it just holds on her face, slowly getting sadder, as she realises she had this job instead of kids and now it's gone and the severance package is all she'll have to show for it.
@@SecondQuantisationGreat point. Yes, cold ass environment. She's obviously worked with him awhile, yet she didn't know if he had kids. My ex worked in corporate. We went to the leaving party of her favourite colleague, it was all fake smiles and thin lipped, an hour in, the friend had loosened up a bit, I said my ex was bummed her bestie workmate was leaving. They both stiffened up immediately, my ex threw me daggers, explaining later, still pissed at me, they don't operate like that. I was poor but happy. I see now why she liked what I had. Her life was so fake. Baked in from school, probably earlier. She wanted out though as it happens. I hope she got happy.
It is the last scene that was the most touching where Sam is trying to bury his dog. It was not the love that he had for the dog, but the total lack of intimacy between him and his separated wife. The dog was the only thing that loved him.It shows how meaningless Sam's existence is. It is a glimpse at the modern urban American life where people chase material things at the expense of relationships with their near ones. This is the harsh reality of modern urban life, especially in the west. Rich and upper middle class people are finding it hard to strike a healthy balance between their professional life and their personal life.
This is all about the "Sunspot Cycles"... just look it up... Those 11and 1/4 years he mentioned. It a part of "Natural Law"... as the bossman said... no one is to blame...
Some people have asked on the video clips to this movie why Eric Dale did not keep quiet about the problem with the formula and then go to a competitor firm and sell them the information for a fortune so that they could short the company he just came from? It may be unethical, but it would be the sort of cut-throat move that city traders would do. He would lose his salary, share options and health care if his former employers went bankrupt, but at least he would have the satisfaction of getting even with them for making him unemployed.
Most firms conducting layoffs of this size outsource the work to specialists who bring in their own personnel, including the 'security men' just in case the person being dismissed goes postal and gets physical or worse. It has been known for some people to have a mental breakdown during the process. This might be because they are financially over-committed or having a relationship or marital breakup.
@@AudieHollandIsn't that food for thought. By the tone of todays young men, there isn't a country to fight for. Corporate Globalised individualistic capitalist greed. All our political issues are rooted in greed. They'd fight for Aunty Caths Cafe down the road, community et al. That cafe is now a McDonalds. I'm glad I'm old. I won't be asked to fight for my Big Mac. Anyhoo. 6am. Must crack on.
LOL. If you have been there, you have been there, and I have been on all sides of this EQUATION, and its NASTY. Still sits deep some of it 25 years later. PTSD is NOT restricted to the Theatre of WAR.
One way a layman can 'read the market' in my (layman's) opinion: whenever you see ads and commercials appearing that 'it's time to buy shares,' 'this is your chance,' *combined with* 'no money to buy shares? we'll loan you the money!'
Yeah, selling stuff they don't need, and keep them coming for more. That's the reality, the fact on the ground. This is not just a movie its a true story.
I think I actually preferred this to “the big short”. Was gripping and understated and a bit more demanding to try and understand. They were both based on the 2008 crash I think.
Gambling with other people's money: If it goes well, take a cut. If it goes poorly, take a cut anyway. No downside making millions, just need to change employer occasionally.
A friend of mine passed away and her pastor gave an ellogy from Acts about serving one's own generation. These lot didn't and their latest iteration don't and their future iteration won't.
Not necessarily. The housing market was on steroids back then - no one thought it could fail. But it failed - and something you trust so highly failing will have catastrophic consequences. Today the housing market(and the mortgage market) is highly regulated so it is highly unlikely to repeat. However, there might be something else in the economy that we trust just as highly as the mortgage market back then. And if that fails then yes history will repeat. My best guess is something like the US or China collapsing. This would send shockwaves through the world economically.
@@IIAndersII absolutely its almost certainly not going to be Residential housing... or Tulips this time ..... But it will be something.. because lots of people have borrowed way to much .. Remember the film is about Enormous levels of leverage isn't it..
@@IIAndersIIOr so many people will eventually trust Bitcoin’s cyclic bull runs that they’ll all get burned eventually, bringing the global economy down with them 😂
@@billturner6564 Tesla is grossly overvalued. And so are many other companies due to the rates being low. Each increase is going to tick another stone.
The more of [__] in the subtitles the more people comment: "good movie!", "the best movie!", "I love this movie!". Has anybody an intellect answer why?
I'm only 6 minutes in, and I know I'm supposed to feel bad for the guy getting fired.....but that was the biggest favor anyone could ask for........just sayin'.
11:33 this is very underrated scene. We see Will Emerson who is depicted as young nepot, hardly have any compassion. And we see Sam, seemingly upset in this particular day. And even Will is somewhat shocked about all those stuff going on, though he certainly know he is untouchable and when Will see that Sam doesn't give a damn about people THIS MUCH... What an act, just look at him! Paul Bettany is one of my 3 favorite actors.
I just realized that this guy did not leave his job, because he spent thousands of dollars on keeping his dog alive - which was about to die anyway. Later in a scene he says "... but I need the money"
01:03:50 Robertson says "I understand", immediately I thought "Do you?" and then right after I replied to my thought "DO YOU????". I've watched this movie too many times.
*2.* because they're business men Even the most sympathetic appearing character, Peter, admits he went into finance instead of remaining a scientist because of the money.
Everyone is invested in the market whether they realise it or not. A crash unfortunately whilst it might seem just a virtual thing also impacts on the 'real economy' causing a recession where jobs are lost & investment dries up. It will affect different people in different ways.
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Everyone calls Tuld "Mr. Tuld" except for Sam, who calls him John. That alone tells a back story. Script choices in this movie are great.
I didn't get it. What was that mean? What was the "backstory" telling about?
@@StrsAmbrg This is just speculation, cause these people don't exist in real life, but it seems that these two have been in the company for some time. Sam said 34 years, Tuld probably near that. And check what they talk about in 55:38 "You and I we're salesmen" and what comes after. These two go waaay back. Who knows how Tuld ended up in the "big chair" as he says. This movie is filled with little snippets of things that make you think about each character's back story.
@StrsAmbrg you can tell that they have a familiarity that others don't share. Everyone else is very formal with Tuld but Sam just speaks his mind and happily debates and argues with him
The name is inspired from the ceo of lehman 'Fuld'.
@@madanpunekar1406 yep and that guy is British too right?
This movie belongs to the rare group of "perfect" movies. It even delivers the format of the classical greek drama with the action happens within a single day and (almost) in one place.
Indeed
Kevin Spacey is a garanty for a good movie!
I miss him.
Thanks Vietnam for uploading.
I think all the pedophilia activity he was in with all the Epstein's and Clintons has really shaken him up. He's just trying to stay our of jail. Sad.
You've obviously never seen K-Pax, LOL. And you need to spell check before posting. For Vietnam's sake.
@@junkscience6397well, almost))
@@junkscience6397lol that was on point.
I am a better actor
Such an underrated movie, script, cast, production values all first rate.
Oh and Demi Moore is like fine wine.
No, she's not, she actually looked very old.
Eric Dale got more money, on 6 months severance pay, and an additional million dollars in cash from the boss to return
Well, those speculants has money to make GOOD movie about themselves.
Demi Moore looks wonderful in this film and is a criminally underrated actress. Simon Baker ironically in an episode of 'The Mentalist' refers to investment bankers as 'heartless psychopaths.' This might not be verbatim what Patrick Jane ( played by Baker) says but if memory serves it's quite close. I burst out laughing when he said it and alarmed my wife. When I explained the reason for my amusement she too laughed.
Jared not giving a single crap about Seth while he shaves is so funny. Thanks again for uploading hope it doesn't get nuked.
Well, don't you think it's important to pay for a great movie, because just of that they can produce masterpieces like that again. And let it sink in: this is a low budget movie (compared to others in Hollywood) and that all the famous actors made it with less money than usual.
It is interesting we see Seth is very materialistic but not as calculating as the others.
@@rouvenrouven5037 no I don't care about giving money to millionaires actually
At Jared's level, there is no nice language, participle at crisis time. Have you never had a crisis at work? Straight talk, no B, no cottonwool sentences. Business is business. Did you want Jared to give him a hug?
Subtle title alteration has probably saved it, so far.
Love how both the smartest people are engineers, telling the money-people how they are wrong. Totally fits the reality in my experience
you uh.... should rewatch the movie to see that the money ppl arent dumb. Certainly not less smart than the engineers
@@Dejavu412 They were vastly "less smart" than the engineers.
You are aware that it were the quantitative idiots who assembled this shit. Thy physicists, mathematicians and finance mathematicians came up with creating this garbage assets. This happens when you hire people who know numbers, but have zero understanding for economical processes.
Engineer here ... the minimum amount of information to convey the essential points in the simplest language, for broadest understanding is better. The higher ups aren't dumb, they just don't care about the mechanics of some simulation, beyond its validity and conclusions.
@@rb7327-r9m question is: would they be able to perform the simulation themself? And additionally build bridges?
Notice the information gets vaguer and more general as it passes up the chain. Peter, a junior analyst knows the most and spots the issue and his friend Seth is the most junior yet actually understands the details. Eric is gone. Will vaguely understands the VaR meaning and interpretation. Sam has been there so long he doesn't look at the main analyst software anymore. And the head person literally says "Talk as you would to a small child or a golden retriever" - but then makes the biggest decision, impacting tens of billions of dollars and thousands of lives in a moment. And stands by his conviction, completely opposite to people lower down who are second guessing and worrying about what to do.
They even mention it in the scene where there's two of them sitting in the room and the lady says things were not filtered upwards as intended. I feel sorry for Seth, he's most likely not going to get another job in the business because of his association with the firm and relative inexperience and lack of network that longer serving traders have created. Will also says he won't be fired but he's not entirely sure since Cohen isn't sure about his usefulness/loyalty.
The other plot point is Peter getting promoted and presumably groomed by Cohen, over Sam again and will Peter do the same to Cohen (become a lower but longer worker's boss?) It's a brilliant film with all the drama but in a sterile corporate setting and no tangible props (except the cleaning lady's cart with sprays in the lift.)
@@BOC_Europe_24 I don't feel sorry for Seth. He's the most annoying character since Jar Jar Binks.
@@theNetworkCHagreed. Seth contributed nothing, he was just lucky to be sat next to Peter when it all kicked off.
two many skulls thats the reall problem
intelligent funny
The boardroom scene is one of the best cinematic scenes ever. Jeremy Irons exudes power, menace and subtle nuances and gestures to perfection.
"I assure you, I did not get here on brains."
Thank you
Kevin Spacey one of his best roles.
Superb acting. Very few can follow the financial chicanery but the plot and the acting wove it together brilliantly. Superb.
I have a copy of this movie on DVD and watch it every few months. The acting is superb, the story is riveting and I cannot understand why more people don't know about this. Spacey needs to be doing more of these thrillers.
Have you seen 'Rollover' with Kris Kristofferson and Jane Fonda from 1981?
Most people probably assume a movie about banking must be boring as fuck.
Spacey's real life "problems" to deal with...
@@matthewprince9705 Except of course that he was cleared of any charges and found to be the greatest victim of false allegations under the Me-Too movement. He did nothing wrong but was accused of being a sexual predator and that's infiltrated his work life too. When someone has been maligned this badly, it really does need the industry to recognize that he was a victim, not a culprit.
Just one question about the DVD: how many deleted scenes are there? 2 or 3? Some people claimed that there is a deleted scene with Jared calling Tuld when he leaves the first meeting, but I have not been able to find it. (only the one with peter walking on the street and meeting that woman, and the speech Tuld gives). Thanks!
I love this movie because it is so well made.
This is the most generic comment ever.
Look at the way this movie portrays its characters. Its feckin genius. At the start you think the fist characters are the overpaid despicable characters and it just builds and builds from there as new characters are introduced. It is so well written. Brilliant!
Emotionally trying to bury something that has passed on in a place that doesn't belong to you - the ending is meaningful
Good point, he did with his job as well.
The theme of burying a dog is a metaphor in the trading business I believe. Dunno exactly what it's related to though.
@@benediktotto6191 The dog Sam buried at the end, pointedly on ground which ain't even belongs to him anymore, is the literal starving dog which died that day, in a transferred sense, at Sam's very own hand - His dog being buried is the *embodied* metaphor of said _›fat cats and starving dogs‹_ the CEO Tuld was talking about at the table the very scene before! *Isn't that plain obvious?!*
Tuld's metaphor of _›fat cats and starving dogs‹_ …
_“It's all just the same thing over and over - We can't help ourselves!_
_And you and I can't control it or stop it or even slow it, or even ever so slightly alter it - We just react._
_We make a lot of money, if we get it right -and we're get left by the side of the road, if we get it wrong._
_… and there have always been and there always will be the same percentage of winners and losers, happy facts and sad sacks, fat cats and starving dogs in this world. Yeah, there may be more of us today than there's ever been, but the percentages they stay exactly the same!”_
The fat cats, which get rich at the end of the day (by owning more and more property), while the starving dogs (which got effectively robbed off their possessions) dying off on their _very _*_own_*_ former grounds_ they no longer are welcome on.
You know what's so comical about it? The joke is, that his own dog being the embodied metaphor of said _›fat cats and starving dogs‹_ the CEO Tuld was talking about at the table the very scene before, _it's also _*_Sam_*_ itself_ …
Since Sam itself has been one of said fat cats for forty years in this business, yet now sheds his genuine yet false crocodile tears, when he becomes the starving dog for the first time itself - Such a joke, when he has been creating starving dogs for decades and couldn't care less.
Except that he has been hoarding (and wasting) million-salaries every single year since decades, yet now stands there still empty-handed before his boss, wanting to get off the circus, not understanding, that he always was a integral part of it ever since for almost half a century!
Probably one of the most perfectly acted and scripted corporate films ever made. Also one of the most realistic interior corporate and banking situations
Brilliant ex-wife, "you don't live here anymore", yeah the house that she took from him
Yeah, typical ex-wife.
Ahh now I get why Sam says to the boss he still needs money even after 34 years experience in the firm. He needs to buy another house.
@@EmilienBandrache probably has to pay alimony too
Prenup fellas. Prenup. Doesn't matter how good it is, no kitten is worth half your assets + alimony for the rest of your life. If she really is the one, you won't ever need it. If she isn't, you won't have to live in hell with regret for the rest of your life.
@@MeanMachine1992 preach!
amazed by those performances when the subject is not everyone's idea of fun. extremely well done.
A perfect film. Cast, acting, storyline. Fabulous
The guy who walked Eric Dale out was the same guy who walked him in!!!😂😂😂
Great. Was about to watch this yesterday. It crashed with a football match. After the match was finished the film was removed from the streaming service. Luckily here it is.
Yeah, i lost my dog in 2008. My newspaper shutdown our branch unit in 2008. I got a transfer to another distant branch but many others got laid off. It was a life turning year for many of us.
Word to the wise. If you're first out the door, that's not called panicking.
Who is watching this movie on 5th August 2024, when japan crashed 11% in one trading session ?
😅
Mary and Bob
Nah, it's 17th and I didn't feel the crash in the Netherlands
Its a hella lotta easier to be first out of Japan let me tell ya
Didn't realise how good this film was first time watching.....
Best film I've watched in a long time. Surprised the company got into this mess with a Vulcan on the staff,
In ST lore they did away with money - good idea I think.
@@a120068020 only because they have far more resources
If Vulcan had been working there for a decade they wouldn't be in that mess.
Mess? They created the "mess" knowing full well what they were doing. They didn't care as long as they could get away with it.
I had no idea Pep Guardiola was în the investment banking industry. 😂
😂😂😂😂that’s good!
and a former engineer that built bridges too
This movies is a message that "Things can change overnight"
“It’s just Money, it’s made up “ that really got me….
Entirely correct, money is only valuable if people trust it and inflation is controlled.
More valuable are skills, a home you own, food, guns and allies to defend it.
Even if a lawyer or bank tries to threaten or steal from you, this way you can retaliate.
Why do employees forget, that we ALL are only Numbers to them. Dont ever sacrifice your inner peace for any Company. Only the family is it worth it to suffer, nur Never a firm, a Company of any Job, No matter if you get a thousand Bucks per month or per minute.
Nice. But reality is: Humans think being LOYAL is a two way street: The toilet scene with Tulids offer is a classic example of "missing the point"
Plain truth
What about when you are just a number for your family?😂😂😂
@@wardeggerrobertmarius144 I think it should be amended to saying loyalty should only be spent on loyal people. Plenty of families are just scummy to each other.
@@cleanerben9636plenty toxic and dysfunctional fam's for sure
Heartless ex-wife. "The alarm is on so don't try to break in"
obviously he'd tried before!
@@puturro Read the room. His dog had just died. How callous can you be?
@@StimParavane well, this is just speculation, cause these people don't exist, but I think that they got the dog when they were still together in that house, and they got divorced not long after. Who knows why they split, but Sam works in finance, and those guys neglect their families a lot. 01:19:31 Peter Sullivan asks Sam if he spoke to his son, he says no. The ex in 01:41:07 says "Sammy called", and he kid called his mom, not his dad. So, he probably took the dog after the divorce cause dogs love you unconditionally, families don't. You need to put in the work in family ties. Plus maybe the wife never cared for the dog anyway, or even wanted one in the first place. So there you go, that's my theory. Plus I'm sure he tried to break in, drunk, a couple of times.
Protecting her heart most likely from a man more interested in money than her heart
@@kiernoify I forgot. Women never do anything wrong and are always victims. Got it.
Kevin Spacey's brilliance- as Simon baker starts explaining at the start of the conf room scene, watch Spacey's reaction
Great film. Makes me appreciate the fact I have a normal job with practical skills that will never disappear.
That’s doesn’t mean trading job is a bad … you just always need to adjust with the trend
Thank you for this upload ... I went in not knowing what to expect, and Wow, what an intense gem! Totally enthralling.
Tuld is deeply impressed by the Rocket Scientist
Superb film.Irons at his best!😊
304 at the end. Bled the man of everything and is set for life, even his house is gone. His final reward is a warning the alarm is on.
That fucking dog scene...absolute heartbroken
A labrador; if it had been a golden retriever, it would have been too on the nose. I think it signifies the American Dream. The fact that he is trying to bury it in his and his ex-wife's garden is even more telling.
I read somewhere that the dog represents his conscience.
He cares more for his dog than people.
@@ciaranryan5265Who doesn't 😅
@@ciaranryan5265 So do I.....
How the fu*k am I only seeing in 2024...unbelievable movie
I remember seeing the trailer to this movie when it first came out and I was shocked at how good it was. Didn't receive enough plaudits for everyone as they all brought their A-game.
Jeremy Irons is superb here.
Good actor indeed😊
He was a last-minute replacement for Sir Ben Kingsley.
Thank you by upload this Film, I'm training my listening and my reading, thanks
Fantastic acting
I really liked the actress who played the secretary. When you looked at her face, it seemed as if she had experienced the loss of her parents.🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great movie watching again 😊
What is the correct narrative of situation
" selling something wich you know has no value"
Or. "Selling to willing buyers at fair market price "
Its what politicians offer voters every time they speak.
They were selling worthless assets disguised as something of value.
Both can be true at the same time
Both are. But just one expresses moral behaviour.
@@nardinit The MBS that they were selling was given a false value by the rating agencies. The agencies did not bother to check the probity of the mortgage agreements which were being sold to people with no job or income as treble-A securities when they were actually going to default, or multiple mortgages to the same person on a teaser rate that would suddenly rise beyond the ability of repayment which would also default.
A mortgage is based on the value of the property title but when too many titles default at the same time, the underlying value of the property drops substantially and suddenly a bond that might have been worth $400m is worth no more than a few million.
The problem was that the Risk Management team (Eric Dale in the movie) stumbled on the fact that the defaults were rising and this was causing losses which were multiplying. As the company was trading mortgages, they'd stretched their borrowing so heavily that a small loss could equate to a value greater than the company. If the company stayed on the wrong side of this value of loss, they would be obliged to report it to the Government or face criminal sanctions because they were bankrupt.
By selling the MBS to others, they were passing on a mixed bag of mortgages some of which were still valuable, but the amount being repaid by the valid AAA+ mortgages was not enough to compensate for the losses suffered on properties that were worth nothing.
What a great film, thank you so much! Stars without end, Irons, Spacey etc... The last half has got a sound that doesent quite match the picture I see - it comes a second later. May that be a problem with my server? Anyway my best regards - Anne
Interresting point i just noticed: all the female characters are extremely cold. Only Demi warms up after getting fired
everybody in the finance sector is a cold ass snake. you can't survive otherwise
And the moment she asks Eric "Got kids?" and he confirms 3 and then it just holds on her face, slowly getting sadder, as she realises she had this job instead of kids and now it's gone and the severance package is all she'll have to show for it.
yes, because they are pampered by the system and they don`t even realise it.... they think they are hired for their genius....
@@SecondQuantisationGreat point. Yes, cold ass environment. She's obviously worked with him awhile, yet she didn't know if he had kids.
My ex worked in corporate. We went to the leaving party of her favourite colleague, it was all fake smiles and thin lipped, an hour in, the friend had loosened up a bit, I said my ex was bummed her bestie workmate was leaving. They both stiffened up immediately, my ex threw me daggers, explaining later, still pissed at me, they don't operate like that. I was poor but happy. I see now why she liked what I had. Her life was so fake. Baked in from school, probably earlier. She wanted out though as it happens. I hope she got happy.
All these computers on at night and not a single lock screen in sight
Workers of the world, unite! ✊
Thanks for the upload
Thanks for putting it up. 👍
The cast here is amazing.
Excellent film and excellent acting
It is the last scene that was the most touching where Sam is trying to bury his dog. It was not the love that he had for the dog, but the total lack of intimacy between him and his separated wife. The dog was the only thing that loved him.It shows how meaningless Sam's existence is. It is a glimpse at the modern urban American life where people chase material things at the expense of relationships with their near ones. This is the harsh reality of modern urban life, especially in the west. Rich and upper middle class people are finding it hard to strike a healthy balance between their professional life and their personal life.
This is all about the "Sunspot Cycles"... just look it up... Those 11and 1/4 years he mentioned. It a part of "Natural Law"... as the bossman said... no one is to blame...
This movie is the best financial movie ever
it's the second best after Big Short
You can't have watched the big short then
@@jimisi7424 big short was awesome but margin call s tension is on another level.
@@jimisi7424 I have and I can't split them
@@antzooma Even
Some people have asked on the video clips to this movie why Eric Dale did not keep quiet about the problem with the formula and then go to a competitor firm and sell them the information for a fortune so that they could short the company he just came from? It may be unethical, but it would be the sort of cut-throat move that city traders would do. He would lose his salary, share options and health care if his former employers went bankrupt, but at least he would have the satisfaction of getting even with them for making him unemployed.
He got fired near the end of the day so it had been only hours. Remember the movie takes place in a single night.
These HR people are souless
@munteza9262 NAZIs said the same thing guess what ! Nobody Cares!
and they are so pathetic in their assumed importance.... people who never worked a productive day in their lives....
Mine was always off sick, embarrassing really.
She literally had no resources, as a human 👍
Met only 1 good HR, who, to interview me about smth, came at 24.00 (I did nights). The rest were rude, arogant and full of corporate blsht.
Most firms conducting layoffs of this size outsource the work to specialists who bring in their own personnel, including the 'security men' just in case the person being dismissed goes postal and gets physical or worse. It has been known for some people to have a mental breakdown during the process. This might be because they are financially over-committed or having a relationship or marital breakup.
I LOVE this movie better than " the big short". as close as it can get. As history is about to repeat itself soon imo.
Thanks for the upload, great movie. We may see a similar one again in a few years
5:52 When you’ve got hairs on your arse older than the person advising you on your next career move
Incredible performances
I feel we are again on the verge of this just waiting for the Bubble to burst.
A good film, thanks for making this available ✌️❤️🇬🇧
A "good" film? This was a SPECTACULARLY good film. As classy, as slickly produced and as soulful as Heat... but without the bank robbery.
Lol how the middle aged, old men call the 26 yr old a boy and a kid, and he never got offended
During the Battle of Britain, RAF fighter pilots referred to their 26 year old Squadron Leader as 'the old man.'
@@AudieHollandIsn't that food for thought. By the tone of todays young men, there isn't a country to fight for. Corporate Globalised individualistic capitalist greed. All our political issues are rooted in greed. They'd fight for Aunty Caths Cafe down the road, community et al. That cafe is now a McDonalds. I'm glad I'm old. I won't be asked to fight for my Big Mac.
Anyhoo.
6am.
Must crack on.
26! Definitely a kid.
"the firm has worked out its transition plan and is prepared to move forward" trust me, they are never prepared
Money is just money ,it can be made up…
Meaning money I’ll always come and go but what’s important is the skill
Never forget that
Zachary Quinto reminds me of Jesse Rutherford from The Neighbourhood
0:00:05 - Layoffs
0:20:24 - Data & crisis
0:45:37 - The problem
0:51:32 - What to do?
1:25:37 - Fire sale
1:40:14 - Aftermath
It's a fine film. The firm is obviously GS but John Tuld is an obvious play on Richard Fuld who ran lehman bros.
LOL. If you have been there, you have been there, and I have been on all sides of this EQUATION, and its NASTY. Still sits deep some of it 25 years later.
PTSD is NOT restricted to the Theatre of WAR.
One way a layman can 'read the market' in my (layman's) opinion:
whenever you see ads and commercials appearing that 'it's time to buy shares,' 'this is your chance,' *combined with* 'no money to buy shares? we'll loan you the money!'
BBS radio 3 drama the day Lehman died is good also. Plus ça change
The worst thing to hear from down the corridor during a company layoff...
"YOU'LL NEVER TAKE ME ALIVE" followed by a gunshot!
Just one short made me addicted to this movie, a cult clasit IMO
Great actors collaborating together 😍
Yeah, selling stuff they don't need, and keep them coming for more. That's the reality, the fact on the ground. This is not just a movie its a true story.
What a nicce movie.
Well acted esp Kevin Spacey.
I think I actually preferred this to “the big short”. Was gripping and understated and a bit more demanding to try and understand. They were both based on the 2008 crash I think.
" take care off yourself" to someone who is hurting...😅
Gambling with other people's money:
If it goes well, take a cut.
If it goes poorly, take a cut anyway.
No downside making millions, just need to change employer occasionally.
Except 3 out of 7 gets dumped in the trash
A friend of mine passed away and her pastor gave an ellogy from Acts about serving one's own generation. These lot didn't and their latest iteration don't and their future iteration won't.
John Tuld... Dick Fuld... the one from Lehman Brothers when it collapsed?
Yes, both him and John Thain of Merrill Lynch.
Fuld failed, Tuld prevailed!
@@pr-tj5by I assume Walter was asking about the origin of the name, not implying the same outcome for their respective investment banks.
@@dazzlernator Agreed, I was just explaining the obvious difference between the two
Great movie ,all the characters are one of the best
The best horror movie based on real events.
The absolute best
Thank you for uploading this
The stock market is many hundreds of times higher than then
So I expect the same thing or much worse to happen any day now ......
Not necessarily.
The housing market was on steroids back then - no one thought it could fail. But it failed - and something you trust so highly failing will have catastrophic consequences.
Today the housing market(and the mortgage market) is highly regulated so it is highly unlikely to repeat.
However, there might be something else in the economy that we trust just as highly as the mortgage market back then. And if that fails then yes history will repeat.
My best guess is something like the US or China collapsing. This would send shockwaves through the world economically.
@@IIAndersII absolutely its almost certainly not going to be Residential housing... or Tulips this time .....
But it will be something.. because lots of people have borrowed way to much ..
Remember the film is about Enormous levels of leverage isn't it..
@@IIAndersIIOr so many people will eventually trust Bitcoin’s cyclic bull runs that they’ll all get burned eventually, bringing the global economy down with them 😂
@@billturner6564 Tesla is grossly overvalued. And so are many other companies due to the rates being low. Each increase is going to tick another stone.
@@IIAndersIIChina is already imploding! Not long now..
The more of [__] in the subtitles the more people comment: "good movie!", "the best movie!", "I love this movie!".
Has anybody an intellect answer why?
senior partners meeting is epic
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I'm only 6 minutes in, and I know I'm supposed to feel bad for the guy getting fired.....but that was the biggest favor anyone could ask for........just sayin'.
Stunning Movie. Wonderful actors.
I would have loved to have seen a scene where we see Tuld give Peter his promotion.
1:10:50 this moment is brilliant, great and true perspective.
This film and too big to fail are the films to watch make it easy to understand the basic of the financial crash
The ending was so sad yet harsh reality of life
11:33 this is very underrated scene. We see Will Emerson who is depicted as young nepot, hardly have any compassion. And we see Sam, seemingly upset in this particular day.
And even Will is somewhat shocked about all those stuff going on, though he certainly know he is untouchable and when Will see that Sam doesn't give a damn about people THIS MUCH... What an act, just look at him!
Paul Bettany is one of my 3 favorite actors.
I just realized that this guy did not leave his job, because he spent thousands of dollars on keeping his dog alive - which was about to die anyway. Later in a scene he says "... but I need the money"
No he's divorced, his wife owns the house and he had to give her at least half of his money, so that is why. He makes about 3-4 mill a year.
And he’s already a multimillionaire
01:03:50 Robertson says "I understand", immediately I thought "Do you?" and then right after I replied to my thought "DO YOU????". I've watched this movie too many times.
1. awesome that this movie went public.
2. why exactly is everyone so calm about what happened?
Extreme professionalism
@@noelht1😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I have been looking everywhere for this movie, I’m heart broken it’s just lying around here on YT
*2.* because they're business men
Even the most sympathetic appearing character, Peter, admits he went into finance instead of remaining a scientist because of the money.
Guy asks for the time, then again a few seconds later. Is that communicating calm to you?
This event only affected a few gamblers in finance, it made no difference to everyone else ✌️❤️🇬🇧
Sure thing buddy.
Hardly anyone's got a mortgage these days right enough
Everyone is invested in the market whether they realise it or not. A crash unfortunately whilst it might seem just a virtual thing also impacts on the 'real economy' causing a recession where jobs are lost & investment dries up. It will affect different people in different ways.