Seems this "putty" thing is a great idea to fill the gaps. Unfortunately not many people know about this (in my country) and see some issues reselling cards with thermal putty on. Don't know if the compound can be recycled but "shelf time" is very short being only 6 months. Good video by the way. Been seeing all your putty videos (this is like the 5th one). Regards
Thanks for watching :) I'm just trying to get the word out so more people will k ow about Thermal Putties. Don't be too concerned with the shelf life. I've still got 1.5 year old putty that only had 5 months left when I applied it. All that happens is it gets a little stiffer over time. But it's still pliable and can be reused. Worst case you can add ~20% new putty and knead them together.
Hi nice that you found some alternatives. I told you weeks ago that I found a chinese factory who could make a putty at 12w/mk. I bought 1kg of their putty and I made a comparison in temp on a 3090 and it's far better than Jeyi or Upsiren, like 5°C better than Upsiren and 7°C better than Jeyi
What is the name of this Chinese manufacturer? What did they charge for 1KG? And what are the Upsiren thermal pads like? I've seen those pads on Aliexpress and they are quite well priced if the specs are right.
@@tmstiles link is in the description as well as a link to Digikey. You can change the country on Digikey by clicking on the flag and then selecting your country/region.
@@snarksdomain Thank you, i was hoping for somewhere other than digi-key as the prices seem much higher than what can be had from china, was hoping for a decent link to one of those
A German company sells a paste (or is it like putty) "Thermal paste for ROFROST TURBO", for a pipe freezing machine. It is sold by plumbing supply companies for about £15 per 150 ml. No value for thermal conductivity is given though.
949 is like the Ferrari of putties, as is EVGA. 930 simply matches the performance level of TG-PP10. If you have GDDR6X and want to only use putty for the VRAM I would at least get Jeyi 8100 or better. If you are doing shims then you can use 930 to good effect. You can see their relative performance levels in one of my other videos where I use them on a Zotac 3070 Ti. ua-cam.com/video/zSX_7P0HZqc/v-deo.html
@@snarksdomain thanks for the reply! I actually bought the last 4 tubes of EVGA and they haven't put it back up since. But I have like 3 PCs I'm building for friends and I'm not trying to cut gelid pads or deal with mounting pressure issues. I need more EVGA putty. But I dont wanna spend 200 bucks on th949. Lol
Great news, TH-930 looks to be incredibly similar to TG-PP10. I've got around 2500g of TG-PP10 so should be good for sometime. Hopefully TH-949 isn't too expensive, could come in real handy with upcoming GPUs and faster memory they will have.
I have a question .just watched the video . You said they have the tg-pp10 instock im going to buy a 1000g tub i want to use the putty for the memory chips on my 4 3070 gpu's they started throwing errors a couple days ago i just repaded them 8 months ago with the gelid ultimate my 3090 was done at the same time to and the temps on memory went from 75c to 92c now just took it apart and pads from the 3070 and 3090 are rock hard. I want to use the tg-pp10 you thi k thats an ok putty or should i go with one in this video . Thanks a bunch man keep up the awesome videos.
I would say that either TG-PP10 or TH930 would be fine to use alone on GDDR6 memory. For cards with GDDR6X I recommend going with better puttty/pads/shims for the VRAM and Putty everywhete else. I've had some lucky just using TG-PP10 on 3080 FE cards in desktop computers, but as soon as you have an energy dense mining rig I found TG-PP10 putty alone was inadequate for GDDR6X cards specifically. I should add that TG-PP10 or TH930 pair really well with shims, as can be seen from the tests.
Would this be a good one to use for the test in your opinion... DAP Mono Acoustical Sealant - Synthetic Butyl Rubber - Dark Grey - Non Hardening Model #75400
@@snarksdomain I don't know the consistency of that specific caulk. After seeing that toothpaste works as a thermal grease on a processor, and being that thermal putty is mainly silicon, I would think that there would be a cheaper alternative to expensive thermal pads. Rubber wouldn't hold up to the heat long term. I wonder if there is a safety data sheet that shows the ingredients of pads/paste. Is there a cheap 100% silicon non hardening caulk?
@@nathanielschroeder1321 I'll try looking for one. If I can find a non curing/hardening silicone based Caulking I'll buy it for testing. I do have a tube of MG 860 Silicone Heat Transfer Compound which is rated at 1 W/mK. I'll test it shortly here and make a video about it. When bought in bulk, Thermal Putties like TH930, TG-PP10 and TH855-5 end up being fairly cheap. If I only use putty on a card and no copper shims it ends up costing me $25 CAD or less to do the job (~$20 USD).
Nice work! But I see that these putties expire 2 years after production which for TH 949-1 is in 6 months. Does this mean that they need to be replaced every now and then?
Luckily no. They will keep transferring the heat just fine. I suspect those shelf life dates are more for automated applications where the consistency has to maintain it's galons/min at specific pressures (pnematics).
Yes that makes sense. But still it is scarry considering that thermal pads don't have expiration date and still their heat transfer ability is reduced and we have to replace them. It would be interesting to compare their long term performance by trying a year old expired packet maybe.
@@Vernom-rl7dx For sure. I've opened up a card that had year old TG-PP10 that, when originally applied, only had 6 months left of it's shelf life. It was slightly stiffer but could still be kneaded and shaped. I added a little bit of fresh putty and mixed them together to make it softer then reapplied to the card.
@@snarksdomain I'm also curious about this. Did you mix in the new putty directly on the VRM to make the putty softer, or did you have to pry the old one off then mix it with the new one to achieve that consistency?
@@duyvo2639 I stopped the old stuff up and it was easy to remove. I then kneaded it in my hands and added in maybe 15% new. I believe I filmed it but will have to double check. I have a ton of content to edit. I just tore apart and reassembled my Zotac 3070 Ti around 12 times in the last 2.5 days testing out different putties, pads, and shims. I will have to edit that video in the next few days hopefully (gotta go to work).
I paid $80 USD for the 50g TH949-1 sample and $120 USD for shipping of all 3 samples. The shipping was fast. I believe you could likely ask for slower/cheaper shipping. I think Penchem will be adding more of their products to Digikey and hopefully TH949-1 is added. Although I have the sneaking suspicion that TH949-3 will be even better for copper/aluminum shim applications. It appears to have e a lower viciousity judging by it's flow rate at same pressure as TH949-1. Hopefully I can get some TH949-3 to test at some point, but that will have to wait a bit. www.penchem.com/Thermal-Management
@@snarksdomain Thank you so much for the info! I'll try to order some of the TH949-1 too! I also saw their listing of TH949-3 on their site, but I'm unsure. Will have to wait like you said.
Hi do I need pressure for heat transfer? I will probably buy jeyi 8000 from aliex. My back plate doesn't have good pressure with the card. So using a thermal pad won't really work. Can I use putty instead? Would it work with little pressure? Also I will do the vram copper mod to rtx 3090 back side since my backplate is awful. And i will use this putty as you say thermal paste can bake. And I will use kapton bant too around smds and all. I just want to use putty in VRMS and other components too. They normally use thermal pads by they suck (zotac..). So on the back side of pcb there is just vram thermal pads. But i will use putty on the vrm back side too. Does it make sense? Thanks!
Yes. Putty works great in scenarios where there isn't a lot of pressure or for uneven gaps. You just have to make sure the putty you apply is thicker than the gap so it can squish down. For the backplate I often apply gentle pressure by hand to compress the putty, then I install the screws. Using a sticky putty for the backplate is good since the backplate can flex when being handled. Sticky putties will "bounce back" if they are overcompressed. Sticky putties include: TG-PP10 TH930 JEYI 8100 EVGA Putty ...and probably A7000, TG6060 although I haven't tested them.
@@snarksdomain ok Mr putty we believe in you. Hope to see your testing. I will order the alleged 40watt/m.k 3D graphite pads you made a video on. My normal pad thickness for vram is 2mm. So i. Will buy 2mm + thermal putty for back plates. Man I'm so jealous 4000 series have no vram heating issues 😭
@@Hi-levels for a 2mm pad replacement on those 40 W/mk use the 2.2mm pads they have. Compression will not be an issue. Backside plate use of those pads can be a slight issue since they won't bounce back if overcompressed, as Ghostmotley noted.
On Aliexpress there's Jeyi 8100 and Uprisen U6 Pro. There may be others. Digikey ships to many countries/regions of the world. You can change the country by clicking on the flag and selecting your country/region.
Much appreciate the effort testing new thermal putties! 👍🏼
Glad you found it informative :)
hugely helpful content; thank you for it!
Seems this "putty" thing is a great idea to fill the gaps. Unfortunately not many people know about this (in my country) and see some issues reselling cards with thermal putty on. Don't know if the compound can be recycled but "shelf time" is very short being only 6 months. Good video by the way. Been seeing all your putty videos (this is like the 5th one). Regards
Thanks for watching :) I'm just trying to get the word out so more people will k ow about Thermal Putties.
Don't be too concerned with the shelf life. I've still got 1.5 year old putty that only had 5 months left when I applied it.
All that happens is it gets a little stiffer over time. But it's still pliable and can be reused. Worst case you can add ~20% new putty and knead them together.
Hi nice that you found some alternatives. I told you weeks ago that I found a chinese factory who could make a putty at 12w/mk. I bought 1kg of their putty and I made a comparison in temp on a 3090 and it's far better than Jeyi or Upsiren, like 5°C better than Upsiren and 7°C better than Jeyi
Those are impressive results. What is the name of the manufacturer? Hopefully I can get some for testing :)
What is the name of this Chinese manufacturer? What did they charge for 1KG? And what are the Upsiren thermal pads like?
I've seen those pads on Aliexpress and they are quite well priced if the specs are right.
Can you give us a link to the company?
@@tmstiles link is in the description as well as a link to Digikey. You can change the country on Digikey by clicking on the flag and then selecting your country/region.
@@snarksdomain Thank you, i was hoping for somewhere other than digi-key as the prices seem much higher than what can be had from china, was hoping for a decent link to one of those
A German company sells a paste (or is it like putty) "Thermal paste for ROFROST TURBO", for a pipe freezing machine. It is sold by plumbing supply companies for about £15 per 150 ml. No value for thermal conductivity is given though.
That sounds interesting. Will have to look into that. What is the brand name and/or product name?
in your opinion, is 949 0 worth the extra $$$ vs 930 especially with the 40 dollar shipping fee digikey has to get for penchem?
949 is like the Ferrari of putties, as is EVGA. 930 simply matches the performance level of TG-PP10.
If you have GDDR6X and want to only use putty for the VRAM I would at least get Jeyi 8100 or better.
If you are doing shims then you can use 930 to good effect.
You can see their relative performance levels in one of my other videos where I use them on a Zotac 3070 Ti.
ua-cam.com/video/zSX_7P0HZqc/v-deo.html
@@snarksdomain thanks for the reply! I actually bought the last 4 tubes of EVGA and they haven't put it back up since. But I have like 3 PCs I'm building for friends and I'm not trying to cut gelid pads or deal with mounting pressure issues. I need more EVGA putty. But I dont wanna spend 200 bucks on th949. Lol
Great news, TH-930 looks to be incredibly similar to TG-PP10. I've got around 2500g of TG-PP10 so should be good for sometime.
Hopefully TH-949 isn't too expensive, could come in real handy with upcoming GPUs and faster memory they will have.
Have you tried Upsiren U6 Pro? I can't find reviews of it anywhere. It looks a lot like Jeyi 8100 so it might be that rebranded.
I haven't tested it yet. Still waiting on a sample. I'm told it will have very similar performance to Jeyi 8100.
I have a question .just watched the video .
You said they have the tg-pp10 instock im going to buy a 1000g tub i want to use the putty for the memory chips on my 4 3070 gpu's they started throwing errors a couple days ago i just repaded them 8 months ago with the gelid ultimate my 3090 was done at the same time to and the temps on memory went from 75c to 92c now just took it apart and pads from the 3070 and 3090 are rock hard.
I want to use the tg-pp10 you thi k thats an ok putty or should i go with one in this video .
Thanks a bunch man keep up the awesome videos.
I would say that either TG-PP10 or TH930 would be fine to use alone on GDDR6 memory.
For cards with GDDR6X I recommend going with better puttty/pads/shims for the VRAM and Putty everywhete else.
I've had some lucky just using TG-PP10 on 3080 FE cards in desktop computers, but as soon as you have an energy dense mining rig I found TG-PP10 putty alone was inadequate for GDDR6X cards specifically.
I should add that TG-PP10 or TH930 pair really well with shims, as can be seen from the tests.
Still waiting for non hardening cheap silicon caulk as thermal putty testing.
Would this be a good one to use for the test in your opinion... DAP Mono Acoustical Sealant - Synthetic Butyl Rubber - Dark Grey - Non Hardening Model #75400
@@snarksdomain I don't know the consistency of that specific caulk. After seeing that toothpaste works as a thermal grease on a processor, and being that thermal putty is mainly silicon, I would think that there would be a cheaper alternative to expensive thermal pads. Rubber wouldn't hold up to the heat long term. I wonder if there is a safety data sheet that shows the ingredients of pads/paste.
Is there a cheap 100% silicon non hardening caulk?
@@nathanielschroeder1321 I'll try looking for one. If I can find a non curing/hardening silicone based Caulking I'll buy it for testing.
I do have a tube of MG 860 Silicone Heat Transfer Compound which is rated at 1 W/mK. I'll test it shortly here and make a video about it.
When bought in bulk, Thermal Putties like TH930, TG-PP10 and TH855-5 end up being fairly cheap. If I only use putty on a card and no copper shims it ends up costing me $25 CAD or less to do the job (~$20 USD).
Nice work! But I see that these putties expire 2 years after production which for TH 949-1 is in 6 months. Does this mean that they need to be replaced every now and then?
Luckily no. They will keep transferring the heat just fine.
I suspect those shelf life dates are more for automated applications where the consistency has to maintain it's galons/min at specific pressures (pnematics).
Yes that makes sense. But still it is scarry considering that thermal pads don't have expiration date and still their heat transfer ability is reduced and we have to replace them. It would be interesting to compare their long term performance by trying a year old expired packet maybe.
@@Vernom-rl7dx For sure. I've opened up a card that had year old TG-PP10 that, when originally applied, only had 6 months left of it's shelf life. It was slightly stiffer but could still be kneaded and shaped.
I added a little bit of fresh putty and mixed them together to make it softer then reapplied to the card.
@@snarksdomain I'm also curious about this. Did you mix in the new putty directly on the VRM to make the putty softer, or did you have to pry the old one off then mix it with the new one to achieve that consistency?
@@duyvo2639 I stopped the old stuff up and it was easy to remove. I then kneaded it in my hands and added in maybe 15% new. I believe I filmed it but will have to double check.
I have a ton of content to edit. I just tore apart and reassembled my Zotac 3070 Ti around 12 times in the last 2.5 days testing out different putties, pads, and shims.
I will have to edit that video in the next few days hopefully (gotta go to work).
How much did you pay for the TH949-1 plus shipping? It's also on my wishlist.
I paid $80 USD for the 50g TH949-1 sample and $120 USD for shipping of all 3 samples. The shipping was fast. I believe you could likely ask for slower/cheaper shipping.
I think Penchem will be adding more of their products to Digikey and hopefully TH949-1 is added.
Although I have the sneaking suspicion that TH949-3 will be even better for copper/aluminum shim applications. It appears to have e a lower viciousity judging by it's flow rate at same pressure as TH949-1. Hopefully I can get some TH949-3 to test at some point, but that will have to wait a bit.
www.penchem.com/Thermal-Management
@@snarksdomain Thank you so much for the info! I'll try to order some of the TH949-1 too!
I also saw their listing of TH949-3 on their site, but I'm unsure. Will have to wait like you said.
Hi do I need pressure for heat transfer? I will probably buy jeyi 8000 from aliex. My back plate doesn't have good pressure with the card. So using a thermal pad won't really work. Can I use putty instead? Would it work with little pressure?
Also I will do the vram copper mod to rtx 3090 back side since my backplate is awful. And i will use this putty as you say thermal paste can bake. And I will use kapton bant too around smds and all.
I just want to use putty in VRMS and other components too. They normally use thermal pads by they suck (zotac..).
So on the back side of pcb there is just vram thermal pads. But i will use putty on the vrm back side too. Does it make sense? Thanks!
Yes. Putty works great in scenarios where there isn't a lot of pressure or for uneven gaps. You just have to make sure the putty you apply is thicker than the gap so it can squish down.
For the backplate I often apply gentle pressure by hand to compress the putty, then I install the screws.
Using a sticky putty for the backplate is good since the backplate can flex when being handled. Sticky putties will "bounce back" if they are overcompressed.
Sticky putties include:
TG-PP10
TH930
JEYI 8100
EVGA Putty
...and probably A7000, TG6060 although I haven't tested them.
@@snarksdomain aliexpress don't sell 8100 to my country only u6 Pro by upsiren. Would it work?
@@Hi-levels I'm told it will have the same performance, consistency and appearance to Jeyi 8100. I still need to get some to test.
@@snarksdomain ok Mr putty we believe in you. Hope to see your testing. I will order the alleged 40watt/m.k 3D graphite pads you made a video on. My normal pad thickness for vram is 2mm. So i. Will buy 2mm + thermal putty for back plates. Man I'm so jealous 4000 series have no vram heating issues 😭
@@Hi-levels for a 2mm pad replacement on those 40 W/mk use the 2.2mm pads they have. Compression will not be an issue.
Backside plate use of those pads can be a slight issue since they won't bounce back if overcompressed, as Ghostmotley noted.
Is there any putties in aliexpress
On Aliexpress there's Jeyi 8100 and Uprisen U6 Pro. There may be others.
Digikey ships to many countries/regions of the world. You can change the country by clicking on the flag and selecting your country/region.
@@snarksdomain thanks Mr putty
@@Hi-levels lol