My combat load as a Field Radio Operator 2531 and sec MOS 0321 (Reconnaissance Marine) was 125lbs... I know of NO single female who could endure the hardships we endured as such... 1985-91... Semper Fidelis!
I graduated the Marine Infantry Officers Course in 1988. The staff officers weighed everything we had to carry from 200 rounds of machine gun ammo and a mortar round per man to our boot laces and the water in our canteens. The total load was 105.3 lbs. They also determined the maximum length of a force march while having the physical capacity to fight at the end of it with those real combat loads as 8 - 8.5 miles. All this feminist lobbying for equal outcomes makes units less lethal and weakens our nation.
This year's IOC prep platoon conducted a 15 mile hike. Their packs weighed 98lb and this is not including their uniform, boot laces and whatever else that ultimately weighs up to an additional 12lb give or take and this is not including their weapon (~12lb IAR M27). There are women at IOC currently and they all passed that hike. I do wonder at times why our loads are increasingly heavy over the years. I'm not at IOC but I did go through the BOC. General Zinni came to talk with us early in the POI, he commented on how we carry far too much. My dad is a Marine of the Vietnam War; he was attached to a recon unit. He had his flak, .45, claymores, and kabar. The RTO had the radio as well; the PRC-117's predecessor.
@@ACiDiCAnGeL I remember General Zinni's talk, loads can go in excess of 150lbs at times, I know several girls who did not have any probably hiking under load at TBS and some that I bet would be successfull at IOC if they had wanted to go there, several girls have been to IOC with varying success but it's been done
Officers must lead. War does not adjust to body type. Mental challenges aren't the limiting factor. Infantry operate at a primal physical level. Subordinate Marines deserve and require officers who are better.
Hey Franklin, hate to break it to you, but not everybody goes to the front line. There are about 1000 other jobs you can do in the military w/o fighting.
@@pepper29ful Than stop trying to fill the boots of men. 1- You deny access to potentially more competent men that could pass the tests and make a career in the military, in combat or not. 2- By filling up the administrative positions with women, you only make sure that only men exposes themselves to harm, while the women claim the same status as the men who sacrifice their lives in the line of duty. 3- Lower the PT standards to accommodate females and weaker men which lowers combat effectiveness and put everyone that passes the standard PT in danger or work twice as hard to make up for the weaker ones. However you look at it men will have to pay and sacrifice more, plus incites disrespect among the military force. Making women feeling better about themselves has no place in a place where every weakness can get a lot of people killed.
I am a Marine, once a Marine always a Marine. I have no problem with any woman that can pass the Marine Officers Infantry course. But you cannot lower the standards. How many men attempt and fail. It is a job requisite to pass to hold the job.
The problem I have with women in a rifle company. Once they are around me or other Marines good at their job. They will become affectionate. It happens with my male counterparts. It's just going to another level with a woman. Then we get into that fraternization with officers and enlisted thing.
There needs to be a clause of no pregnancies while in a combat outfit. The whole work up before deployment is team building. If you are the SAW gunner and get pregnant you are out of the team and now that team is out of sync. Yes to Artillery, LAVs, AAVs, Tanks, but NO straight leg grunts.
Good point. For example, I see no reason a pregnant woman couldn’t do arty. But after some point in the pregnancy, labor is imminent and has to be a liability. And apparently labor is hard enough on its own, without adding combat.
Women shouldn't be authorized to get pregnant during their first contract in the military. If they do, automatic separation. They sign a contract agreeing to work in exchange for pay and benefits for 4 years, while being ready to deploy anywhere in the world. If you can't meet that obligation in your first contract, kick rocks.
Im sorry to say, keep the social experiments out of the Marine Corps when it comes to women doing Infantry. It's a tough and demanding job and need beast for this job. Semper Fi!
'That's one of those myths ... that women can't do pull-ups. But we have it on video now.' Spare us. We have her on video all right - doing two. Male Marines who can do 20 are a dime a dozen. Nobody actually argues that 'women can't do pull-ups.' Some women can't do any. Some men can't do any. But if you test well-conditioned athletes - swimmers for instance, who typically can do lots of pull-ups - you will find that on average, top-ranked women will be able to do fewer than top-ranked men. How many fewer? I'd bet fewer than half as many. I would be easy to tabulate pull-up results from the final PFTs at TBS and MCRD, break them down by sex and average them out. I am quite sure the Marines have crunched those numbers and would have been happy to share them with '60 Minutes,' had the reporter bothered to ask.
I was a sergeant of Marines. Infantry for four years, '72-'76. I would not have had much confidence if one of my platoon commanders had been a woman. Just sayin'.
Yeah woman should not be a platoon leader in combat, I wouldn’t trust them, woman don’t have the mental strength and physical strength to be in combat. Yes I agree with you Dave Busby.
It is EARNED NOT GIVEN ! Marines are like no other branch. I’m partial I raised 1 great Usmc aviator ! America has no idea on what our military does day in/out. The females get it worse , but they are marines !! So they all earn the title & the men know it ! Ooh. Rah. Semper fi 🇺🇸
How many other Marines in her class were the subject of a 60 minutes interview? How many males failed? Did those that made it get celebrated. I’m neither impressed nor am I let down. I have only one question. Was the standard maintained? If the answer is yes then I salute her. I can say this because I graduated from IOC in 2005. I spent 20 years in a Marine Rifle company, or supporting one. If we didnt give her or some weak male a step stool then I’m good with her joining the ranks
When I was in the Marines I remember my leadership having balls I remember when congress told them to do something the marines didn’t like they had balls to say nope we aren’t doing that. Seems like all these officers care about is getting promoted instead of protecting the corps
We have females doing pull ups on video?!?!? That means every woman should be able to do them. The marine corps should make females do pull ups in stead of flex arm hang. Oh wait they did and went back to flex arm hang bc so many failed.
As long as the standards dont change, women should be allowed to do any job in the Marine Corps. If they cant meet the standards, they get dropped, period. There are men that cant meet the standards. They get dropped. So do the same thing with the women.
This is one of my huge problems with this. Apparently there used to be a standard march that needed to be completed by all Infantry Officers - 15KM (about 9.5 miles) in under 3 hours with a 152lb pack..(and your weapon, of course..) the Obama Admin forced them to drop both and lower the standards so women would have a chance at completing the course. Ridiculous. I was never in the military but I really wanted to be - long story - in particular a Marine infantry officer. And I was in *tremendous shape* by the time I graduated high school. Wrestling for years and dedicating myself to preparing my body etc - I was in *great shape* - but I was only 5'8" and 135lbs. I honestly do not believe I could have carried a 152lb, almost certainly not for 9.5 miles, *and* at a 3+ miles per hour pace. If a woman can do exactly what the men do, go on with your bad self then. No problem. Lowering standards is bullshit. Shannon motherfucking Faulkner fought to go to The Citadel because she wanted to be a social justice warrior before we had such things. She lasted 4 hours before claiming 'heat stress' and was gone in a week. It's just ridiculous. The girl on this is celebrating doing pullups. She looked barely able to complete 3. I think I used to do 26-30 in under a minute.
@@Ser_Arthur_Dayne I was in the Marine Corps. There are no humps with a pack that weighed anywhere near 150 pounds. Maybe 75-80 pounds. At best. But definitely not 150 pounds. And Obama did not ever dictate such details regarding how Marines are trained. Those things are decided at a much lower level than the president. I agree, however, with the notion that lowering standards is bullshit. Especially in a branch of service like the Marines.
@@dfin4588 Fair enough, thank you very much - although you will note, I was quite specific of Infantry Officers and the standards in the Infantry Officer Course - were you an Infantry Officer? And you will also note I said the "Obama Admin" - I did not say President Obama. And yes, the Obama Administration *did* issue orders lowering the standards of the Infantry Officer Course, you yourself can readily find this online.
My niece had the highest score ever at Paris Island for PT. She beat more than 70% of the men. After that, she became a pool instructor because she blew out a knee in a training exercise. It can be done by more females than you think. She was a badass swimmer before going into the Corps.
If your niece had "the highest score ever at Paris Island for PT," why didn't she beat 100% of the men? And how does one get higher than a perfect 300, which people get all the time? I think you're niece may be telling you fibs.
Good for her. But I am sure she is the exception. You are talking about a one off case. You cannot set standards by outliers, such as your niece. You have to go by averages. That is how they come up with the minimum standards to make it through training.
TBS HAS changed to ruck march graded events and other graded events to accomidate womwen. results will be deadly for combat. put 120 lb pack on a woman and she will fail. yes she can do pullups, but like old jump school men and woman have seperate upper body and run distance requirements.
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My combat load as a Field Radio Operator 2531 and sec MOS 0321 (Reconnaissance Marine) was 125lbs... I know of NO single female who could endure the hardships we endured as such... 1985-91... Semper Fidelis!
I graduated the Marine Infantry Officers Course in 1988. The staff officers weighed everything we had to carry from 200 rounds of machine gun ammo and a mortar round per man to our boot laces and the water in our canteens. The total load was 105.3 lbs. They also determined the maximum length of a force march while having the physical capacity to fight at the end of it with those real combat loads as 8 - 8.5 miles.
All this feminist lobbying for equal outcomes makes units less lethal and weakens our nation.
This year's IOC prep platoon conducted a 15 mile hike. Their packs weighed 98lb and this is not including their uniform, boot laces and whatever else that ultimately weighs up to an additional 12lb give or take and this is not including their weapon (~12lb IAR M27). There are women at IOC currently and they all passed that hike. I do wonder at times why our loads are increasingly heavy over the years. I'm not at IOC but I did go through the BOC. General Zinni came to talk with us early in the POI, he commented on how we carry far too much. My dad is a Marine of the Vietnam War; he was attached to a recon unit. He had his flak, .45, claymores, and kabar. The RTO had the radio as well; the PRC-117's predecessor.
@@ACiDiCAnGeL I remember General Zinni's talk, loads can go in excess of 150lbs at times, I know several girls who did not have any probably hiking under load at TBS and some that I bet would be successfull at IOC if they had wanted to go there, several girls have been to IOC with varying success but it's been done
@@detectivedonaldkimball Were we in the same TBS class!
@@ACiDiCAnGeL Charlie company 2022, hbu?
@@detectivedonaldkimball Whattt! I was in Fox 6-22 :)
Officers must lead. War does not adjust to body type. Mental challenges aren't the limiting factor. Infantry operate at a primal physical level. Subordinate Marines deserve and require officers who are better.
Fatigue will make a coward out of any man. You have to know your limitations and at point you can push past it.
Been there and done that with women and they always fade away....even if they pass, they will not want to stay with it over time
The harder the better, because when you're in the fight of your life. A strong mind and body will make you a formidable weapon.
My company Gunnery Sergeant said, "fatigue will make a coward out of the strongest Warrior. "
@The GigaChad fatigue will make a coward out of any man.
They never did show it,the female and male doing the fighting part of the training
Hey Franklin, hate to break it to you, but not everybody goes to the front line. There are about 1000 other jobs you can do in the military w/o fighting.
@@pepper29ful This is an INFANTRY officer course, you missed the entire point of the segment
@@pepper29ful hey ...lil girl...hate to break it to you....but they already lowered the standards to allow them to pass basic
@@pepper29ful
Than stop trying to fill the boots of men.
1- You deny access to potentially more competent men that could pass the tests and make a career in the military, in combat or not.
2- By filling up the administrative positions with women, you only make sure that only men exposes themselves to harm, while the women claim the same status as the men who sacrifice their lives in the line of duty.
3- Lower the PT standards to accommodate females and weaker men which lowers combat effectiveness and put everyone that passes the standard PT in danger or work twice as hard to make up for the weaker ones.
However you look at it men will have to pay and sacrifice more, plus incites disrespect among the military force. Making women feeling better about themselves has no place in a place where every weakness can get a lot of people killed.
I am a Marine, once a Marine always a Marine. I have no problem with any woman that can pass the Marine Officers Infantry course. But you cannot lower the standards. How many men attempt and fail. It is a job requisite to pass to hold the job.
The problem I have with women in a rifle company. Once they are around me or other Marines good at their job. They will become affectionate. It happens with my male counterparts. It's just going to another level with a woman. Then we get into that fraternization with officers and enlisted thing.
STFU. You didn't. Even pass Cub Scouts!!
@@claychandler3468 you must be a sensitive snowflake
There needs to be a clause of no pregnancies while in a combat outfit. The whole work up before deployment is team building. If you are the SAW gunner and get pregnant you are out of the team and now that team is out of sync.
Yes to Artillery, LAVs, AAVs, Tanks, but NO straight leg grunts.
Good point. For example, I see no reason a pregnant woman couldn’t do arty. But after some point in the pregnancy, labor is imminent and has to be a liability. And apparently labor is hard enough on its own, without adding combat.
Women shouldn't be authorized to get pregnant during their first contract in the military. If they do, automatic separation. They sign a contract agreeing to work in exchange for pay and benefits for 4 years, while being ready to deploy anywhere in the world. If you can't meet that obligation in your first contract, kick rocks.
Im sorry to say, keep the social experiments out of the Marine Corps when it comes to women doing Infantry. It's a tough and demanding job and need beast for this job. Semper Fi!
"We can do pullups" you did 3. Not 20 like the men.
Brooooo so tru lmao
She’s hella cocky... ☠️
Damn right
'That's one of those myths ... that women can't do pull-ups. But we have it on video now.' Spare us. We have her on video all right - doing two. Male Marines who can do 20 are a dime a dozen.
Nobody actually argues that 'women can't do pull-ups.' Some women can't do any. Some men can't do any. But if you test well-conditioned athletes - swimmers for instance, who typically can do lots of pull-ups - you will find that on average, top-ranked women will be able to do fewer than top-ranked men.
How many fewer? I'd bet fewer than half as many. I would be easy to tabulate pull-up results from the final PFTs at TBS and MCRD, break them down by sex and average them out. I am quite sure the Marines have crunched those numbers and would have been happy to share them with '60 Minutes,' had the reporter bothered to ask.
I was a sergeant of Marines. Infantry for four years, '72-'76. I would not have had much confidence if one of my platoon commanders had been a woman. Just sayin'.
I agree with you but I have to say it anyway.
Okay boomer.
@@bannaxe7338 That's Sgt Boomer to you
@@bannaxe7338 Lol! I love the term BOOMER.
Yeah woman should not be a platoon leader in combat, I wouldn’t trust them, woman don’t have the mental strength and physical strength to be in combat.
Yes I agree with you Dave Busby.
Yea. Have to speak out loud sometimes huh
13:04 he wants to say fuck no
It is EARNED NOT GIVEN ! Marines are like no other branch. I’m partial I raised 1 great Usmc aviator ! America has no idea on what our military does day in/out. The females get it worse , but they are marines !! So they all earn the title & the men know it ! Ooh. Rah. Semper fi 🇺🇸
Ive been on range 400 at 29 palms where OCS has its course. The first time I had respect for officers, that course is bonkers long
If you think they should lower their requirements just don't join Marine corps.
“But we have it on video now, we can do ‘em” ☠️☠️☠️ No shit... but what about everything else?!
with that voice she thinks she can command a infantry platoon ? Please
How many other Marines in her class were the subject of a 60 minutes interview? How many males failed? Did those that made it get celebrated. I’m neither impressed nor am I let down. I have only one question. Was the standard maintained? If the answer is yes then I salute her. I can say this because I graduated from IOC in 2005. I spent 20 years in a Marine Rifle company, or supporting one. If we didnt give her or some weak male a step stool then I’m good with her joining the ranks
If I was up on that mountain I’d make the dude in the white and res shirt to get the hell away from me.
Abby from tlou2 can ace this test
I guess Im kind of off topic but do anyone know of a good site to stream newly released movies online?
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Marines are different. Always have been.
When I was in the Marines I remember my leadership having balls I remember when congress told them to do something the marines didn’t like they had balls to say nope we aren’t doing that. Seems like all these officers care about is getting promoted instead of protecting the corps
Where is she today? No where....
Women have ZERO business being front line grunts.
Weight apparently is a problem. What is going to happen when you have to drag or carry your 225lb buddy out of trouble?
A 225 pound Marine probably has a weight problem 🤔.
@@erics362 Ok so we'll call it a180lb buddy. What happens then?
@@ryanmoore3061 She'lll have no problem carrying him.
@@erics362 in your dreams not in reality
@@jackjohnson6230 How about if he had both legs blown off? Would he be light enough for her to carry then?
Size matters when you're being shot at ?
5:45 that’s where you fucked up baby, you have to eat 5 MREs a day.
6 years and still a liability
Some people would rather lose the war then be politically incorrect.
Semper fi
Damn marines too smh
I have been single for like 25 years
The rope is the easiest part if you know how to do it properly! OMG
Depends when you do it
The rope during the event isn’t just the O Course. It’s only a small part of the first day.
Wow, this comment is old.
If they can meet EXACTLY the same standards as the men then fine. NO they cannot meet the same standards....
We have females doing pull ups on video?!?!? That means every woman should be able to do them. The marine corps should make females do pull ups in stead of flex arm hang. Oh wait they did and went back to flex arm hang bc so many failed.
We don’t do the flex arm hang. It’s either pull ups or push ups. Even if you do push ups you still don’t get full points like you would in pull ups.
@@jenniferlopez3454 really? I heard they went back to flex are hang? Guess I was told wrong.
@@frank8534 no it’s not a thing anymore 😂
Who ever thought this was a good idea?
It does looks prehistoric!
As long as the standards dont change, women should be allowed to do any job in the Marine Corps. If they cant meet the standards, they get dropped, period. There are men that cant meet the standards. They get dropped. So do the same thing with the women.
This is one of my huge problems with this. Apparently there used to be a standard march that needed to be completed by all Infantry Officers - 15KM (about 9.5 miles) in under 3 hours with a 152lb pack..(and your weapon, of course..) the Obama Admin forced them to drop both and lower the standards so women would have a chance at completing the course. Ridiculous. I was never in the military but I really wanted to be - long story - in particular a Marine infantry officer. And I was in *tremendous shape* by the time I graduated high school. Wrestling for years and dedicating myself to preparing my body etc - I was in *great shape* - but I was only 5'8" and 135lbs. I honestly do not believe I could have carried a 152lb, almost certainly not for 9.5 miles, *and* at a 3+ miles per hour pace. If a woman can do exactly what the men do, go on with your bad self then. No problem. Lowering standards is bullshit. Shannon motherfucking Faulkner fought to go to The Citadel because she wanted to be a social justice warrior before we had such things. She lasted 4 hours before claiming 'heat stress' and was gone in a week. It's just ridiculous. The girl on this is celebrating doing pullups. She looked barely able to complete 3. I think I used to do 26-30 in under a minute.
@@Ser_Arthur_Dayne I was in the Marine Corps. There are no humps with a pack that weighed anywhere near 150 pounds. Maybe 75-80 pounds. At best. But definitely not 150 pounds. And Obama did not ever dictate such details regarding how Marines are trained. Those things are decided at a much lower level than the president. I agree, however, with the notion that lowering standards is bullshit. Especially in a branch of service like the Marines.
@@Ser_Arthur_Dayne BTW, the sword of the morning could have easily carried a 150 pound pack for 9.5 miles. ;)
@@dfin4588 Fair enough, thank you very much - although you will note, I was quite specific of Infantry Officers and the standards in the Infantry Officer Course - were you an Infantry Officer? And you will also note I said the "Obama Admin" - I did not say President Obama. And yes, the Obama Administration *did* issue orders lowering the standards of the Infantry Officer Course, you yourself can readily find this online.
@@dfin4588 standards were SIGNIFICANTLY lowered for females in ROTC
So proud of all your efforts! Arougah!
My niece had the highest score ever at Paris Island for PT. She beat more than 70% of the men. After that, she became a pool instructor because she blew out a knee in a training exercise. It can be done by more females than you think. She was a badass swimmer before going into the Corps.
Wtf does that even mean?
And then the wear are tear sets in...Believe me it does. AATW.
If your niece had "the highest score ever at Paris Island for PT," why didn't she beat 100% of the men? And how does one get higher than a perfect 300, which people get all the time? I think you're niece may be telling you fibs.
Good for her. But I am sure she is the exception. You are talking about a one off case. You cannot set standards by outliers, such as your niece. You have to go by averages. That is how they come up with the minimum standards to make it through training.
SURE THEY CAN ........SAID NO MARINE GRUNT EVER
the cadre officers are classic poloticians
Bees....
TBS HAS changed to ruck march graded events and other graded events to accomidate womwen. results will be deadly for combat. put 120 lb pack on a woman and she will fail. yes she can do pullups, but like old jump school men and woman have seperate upper body and run distance requirements.
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He had only two ways home: Death, or Victory." -- Captain Willard, "Apocalypse Now"
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