TPN's Conversation with Tim Minear
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2024
- Rather than our normal episode rewatch and discussion for the Angel episode Billy, I'm excited to share that the great Tim Minear has agreed to join me for a chat about all things Firefly, Angel, and yes...Billy related.
Tim’s work as a prolific writer, producer, and director includes classics like Lois and Clark and The X-Files, to modern hits such as American Horror Story and 9-1-1.
For those of you who might not be as familiar, here is a link to his IMDB page: www.imdb.com/n....
If there's anything specific you'd like to ask Mr. Minear, please leave a comment below. We'll do our best to include as many of your questions as possible.
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Thank you to everyone who came to the stream. And to Ser Jack and Josh for their support in putting on a show. And, of course, to Mr. Tim Minear for his time. I thought it was a delightful discussion. Now for the adrenaline crash.
Ian I know Tim didnt work on Angel Season 5 and did he ever watch it ? And there was talk of a Spike movie, what was the plan for that
I really love 9-1-1 Season 7. I think having Tim back as the showrunner is a blessing for us all. Can’t wait for 9-1-1 Season 8 🙌
Awesome! Love hearing Tim’s reminiscing ❤😃
Ah, the guy who writes episodes that give me chills!
1:19:15 I fanboyed hearing you say my name up here. I've been a big fan of your channel and the Buffyverse for years. Thank you for asking the question! 😂 but I'm so honored to be mentioned up here. 🙏
I‘m still watching the interview in small segments but it‘s so interesting to hear about Tim‘s creative process so thank you for posting it!
I totally missed this session due to reasons, but really appreciate my vague question being asked. But procrastination is an issue for me, or finding any reason to stop - like low self esteem in what I'm doing etc. But I have also started to go to the gym more to improve my health, so this analogy REALLY helped me. I either see and avoid, or get so engrossed I work non-stop until the script/ project is done lol Thank you Ian for elaborating and adding your own experience on the issue and thank you old Tim x
911twt and it's Fandom really split (ship war) and I feel bad for Tim because he gets used a pawn in a lot of people "proof" and gotcha moments. He gets a lot of hate / praise over every little comment or decision. Glad he stepped back for himself (but also for the fandom) it is brutally "ugly," as Tim said.
Holy Shield!!! Thank you very much!
15:00 "You know, it's funny [that] I'd get the research back from the network, and it's like, man, X [a.k.a. Twitter] or... some of these online communities do not reflect AT ALL what the mainstream audiences reacting to on something like... 9-1-1, for instances."
It's because the toxic fans have created multiple accounts per user in various social media platforms just to make their dissatisfaction heard. It makes them seem large in number, but they are actually not. Satisfied fans or viewers would spend time re-watching the shows (especially on streaming) or making arts/fictions out of it, instead of complaining or harassing people on social media. The ratings don't lie.
What a treat to have a new video from you. :)
21:48 ugh, tbh, I LOVED the Darla stuff. Also I just love Julie Benz. But ugh, delicious angst of Human!Darla. 😍🙈 And then all that came after too. 🙈🙈
When he says Knots Landing, I did seriously think he was going to say Dallas for the "it was all a dream" reveal.
34:11 I mean "crack" in fandom usually means 'oh, crazy idea like suddenly there's a talking octopus or like angels are real' or something like insane. XD or just really out of charachter. Lol. Something that wouldn't usually happen.
But then some fanfic on Ao3 now has 'crack treated seriously' or whatever and so it's still crack-y but written like regular fic. Lol.
I’ve never heard “crack” used that way, except from one person on the last livestream (this one). I’ve heard “whack” used in place of “crazy,” though.
@@SuziQ. "Terminology as of July 2005 as: Crackfic -- refers to stories in which completely unbelievable or inexplicable things occur, generally written shamelessly and with no excuse beyond a desire to have fun."
Wow...at least he knows who his true fans are.
Yeah, the bucktommy fans.
25:00 yeah, the Eddie Vertigo thing def needed a bit more time. 🙈🙈 But it was ambitious. Lol. And I watched Vertigo because of it. 🙈🙈
Glad tho that Eddie didn't totally loose his mind like Scottie. Cuz I love Eddie and don't want him to suffer THAT much. 😂
23:07 You did pronounce it correctly. Thank you, Josh 😊
I love the nuts and bolts.
Huh. I didn't know he wrote on Lois & Clark. I LOVED that show as a kid. And X-Files. I was too much of a scaredy cat to watch much of that one tho until later. 🙈🙈
But then I REALLY got into Buffy & Angel (Buffy was my first fandom). Two of my fav shows EVER. 🥰
Kinda funny I'm so into 911 now. Lol. Well, started with Lone Star but then recently got into regular 911. 🙈 (no, I don't ship bt.)
He's def not wrong about toxicity. 😬😬😬 I mean there's always been ship wars & stuff, and toxic fans but ya know, usually not towards cast & crew. That feels pretty new.
I love the jab at Joss, tbh at the start. 🙈 Boy, did he disappoint me. Bleh.
I second Tim's recommendation of Twin Peaks: The Return
Fck. Forgot about this. I was marathon watching Night Agent, and forgot this was scheduled.
18:20 Willow's death? I think he means Tara's death. This reminded me of Angel reporting that Willow was dead, just to say hi to an alive Willow in 3.16 "Doppelgangland".
Love Tim's Nostromo hat.
I completely missed this :O I wish it would have been mentioned in the FB group. :(
Does anyone know which Firefly episode does Tim refer to at 42:26 ?
sounds like Out of Gas
It is.
Online fandom is the best and worst thing that can happen to a show. It's fun to find other fans of something you like and interact with them. But it's inevitable that some nasty, toxic behavior will emerge over time. I hate that Minear and others involved in making shows get drug into it.
1:41:01 I LOVED seeing both Charisma Carpenter & J. August in ses 3 of 911. XD
1:12:17 in The Nordics Disney+ has 911 categorized as a "drama, soap opera" so 😂
1:34:29 I was in the Supernatural fandom for years. I had watched it from the start. Then Misha Collins joined as Castiel and I shipped him & Dean right away. But oh, eventually the fandom got insanely toxic & crazy ship wars so I was like 'I need to leave this fandom or I'll just start to hate the show too & I don't want that'. 🙃
So I stopped taking part in the SPN fandom and just watched the show. It was much better and I had offline friends to talk to about the show (tho they didn't ship dean/cas lol). 🙈
In between Buffy & SPN I think I was like obssesed with Alias and shipped Sarkney haaaard. Actually it's because of my Alias obession I even heard about Supernatural. 😂
I didn't do fandom stuff for yeeeeears after SPN cuz just burned out. But then I got hooked on Teen Wolf & shipped Sterek like crazy, but boy did they fuck us over. Actual, legit queerbaiting. 🙃🙃 So eff MTV.
So I gave up on that show once Derek & Stiles were gone. Jeff Davis seems good at coming up with stuff (hello, Criminal Minds I love you) but not good at keeping it going. Lol
I wanted to like Wolf Pack because of SMG but I just couldn't watch the whole thing. Lol. Was not surprised at all that only lasted a ses.
Then again I was like "no more fandoms! It's too exhausting!" and then not long after I goy into Shadowhunters cuz they had canon queer charachters & a couple.
Then I started shipping Raphael & Simon. 🙈🙈🙈 I LOVE vampires. If I write fanfic (or in the past original stuff) somehow I always do some vampires (even in 911 fanfic 🙈).
And my mind was blown they actually made Raphael asexual at the end of 2nd ses & I was like 😮😮😮😮 amazing and they weren't dicks about it & stuff. But then next ses it was obvious they didn't know what to then do with him & he just kinda faded away. There was also fandom bullshit there.
So I also dropped that show and didn't finish it. 🙈 And just fandom as a whole. Didn't touch fandom stuff for a few years (except a doctor who group on facebook that's very strict bout no bs). 😂
But because the world is on fire & I had just been like in "the real world" that's depressing as hell (so much devestation all over the world & i'm a news/politics junkie) I was like I need something silly.
And saw they made Buck on 911 Bi and I was like eh, what the hell, I'll check it out. 😂 And now I spend a lotta time on tumblr.
I knew about the buck/eddie ship from years before but I was all not getting sucked into queerbaiting again. But I did check out Lone Star cuz canon queer couple there yay. But idk why I stopped watchin.
Then I checked out ses 7 of 911 & liked it, so I watched from the start and was like 'holy hell, I love this.' And now I'm a bit obssesed 🤣🙈😌 (not with bt tho)
But yeah, people say OG 911 fandom got like 110% more toxic later in ses 7 and that's a shame. 😔😔
But tbh, nothing I haven't seen before. People who ship canon ships but aren't the biggest ship in fandom can get insanely insecure & lash out at non-canon ships that are more popular.
Before I'd get annoyed, but now I'm just so jaded and like none of it really matters that much so I just try and avoid the drama and have fun with my fandom friends who ship what I ship. Lol. Cuz fandom is my escape and I need the sillyness. 🙈
But yeah toxicity towards cast & crew is newer and crazy. Like yikes, don't do THAT. 😬😬😬
(Sorry for this essay xD)
"People who ship canon ships but aren't the biggest ship in fandom can get insanely insecure & lash out at non-canon ships that are more popular"
You got it wrong about 9-1-1. The toxic fans are attacking Lou Ferrigno Jr. who plays Tommy, half of the canon ship. They are mad not because their ship (Buddie) is not popular, but because it was not canon. The same reason why they are attacking Tim Minear, to force him makes their ship canon🙄. I don't think they care whether their ship is the most popular or not. They just want it to be canon, to justify their strong feelings on the ship. As Tim said, the ratings did not reflect at all what toxic fandoms said on X. The toxic fans knew they were not majority, so they made multiple X accounts to make themselves looked large in number. They wouldn't make multiple social media accounts if they thought they were the majority. And their voices would be reflected on the viewership number.
Just wanted to add to the first reply that Buddies have been making the fandom toxic for years. They‘d bully anyone who disagreed with them and tried to drown out their voices. Many people, including me, left the fandom and even stopped watching the show because the experience was so bad. The Bi Buck storyline is what drew me back in.
It is unfortunate that some BuckTommy shippers are contributing to the toxicity (because some are but they are owning up to it and trying to be better).
Buddies never had a „competing“ ship that people genuinely liked with either Buck or Eddie and it shows.
@@tiararoxeanne1318 dude, the toxic people are you. I'm sorry you're too blind to see that. And you guys are the ones attacking him. Why do you guys constantly project things onto others? Don't answer that. I don't care.
(Bt fans are the ones with multiple fake accounts to try & bump up their numbers. 🤦🤦)
@@Fanney47 Your statement doesn't make sense. Why do BT fans attack Tim and Lou when the canon storyline is exactly the way BT fans have expected?
@@cloudedsky88 I'm sorry you felt that way. That sucks.
Why did they bully you? I mean I was bullied in school and stuff, so sometimes it's just like oh you're different or they themselves have issues but like did you ship Buck with someone else then? Like a rarepair like Buck/Josh or something?
I just wonder because you said bi Buck drew you back in so I figured you probably weren't shipping Buck/Taylor or something.
And I don't know if a lotta people really are liking Bt that much, tbh. The shine has worn off.