I really dont get what ur talking abaut. By the time G E came out everyone wanted it. No one was tricked. People got boored of traiding boards real quick. Also alot of people (me included) got boored of not having any bank space or not being able to sell certain items. G E helped for everyone to free up some space in a bank, made question 1,000 times better and helped to turn lots of useless items into coins. You know what people used to do with 5 rrubbies, 3 saphires and 2 emeralds in bank? Drop them. This goes for alot of other items. And dont get me started on quest items. If you need to go to osrs forums to find someone who is selling quest item bundle for 200k game has a problem. GE instantly fixed that problem. P.S. If anyone responds and starts talking how they "liked" old way of traiding here's few questions for you: Do you also like to travel by horse instead of car to work? Would you want that for your EVERY DAY LIFE? Do you even played back before G E was intruduced into the game? Because I did and everyone was pissed abaut not having G E at that time. G E won by majority for a reason. Trading posts and player-to-player traiding pretty much died. Why? BECAUSE IT WAS A HORRIBLE WAY TO BUY OR SELL STUFF! It was fine and quite fun then you needed stream line items but then it comes to anything remotely rare it was pain in the **s to get. Gout tuber, traiding sticks or gnome restaurant food items was things you could spend hours looking for. Also you need to trade with OSRS community. So many times i met up with a guy and price went up randomly. Or he tryed to low-ball me even if the price was decided in pm's...
Did you even play rs2 or even osrs when it launched? You clearly seem to haven’t all or your part of the problem with osrs now and then because you fail to see the seer importance of how the game was without grandexchange and how the g/e killed osrs and the community and the ripple effect it has made……… first off if you stood around spamming to sell items you didn’t understand this game at all and why it was a mmorpg you had options going to towns to buy or sell was the point but while you was there you could walk around and check out what everyone is doing and try to sell some of what you had if you saw a buyer while seeing if there was anything you might want or need or could possibly make a deal with traders offering your own selling items with cash for what they had or perhaps try for a low price maybe see if someone is spamming chat and you see a buyer a little ways off and get a deal on the seller and sell to the buyer…you could make friends or talk to players while watching the market or you could leave and work on getting your own items like many players did since it was part of the game? And the merch bots you speak of and merch players really had no influence over the market since it was player ran……. And like rs2 if you wanted it but not wanting to pay there price there’s always someone somewhere perhaps in another town or world maybe you see someone with the item you want and you approach them and ask if you could buy it from them? It’s a classic supply and demand and it kept money from inflating and accepting items instead of money or accepting both and and it brought the community together and the g/e wasn’t needed when the community provided the services like the pkers at edgevile if they died or needed to bank or restock there was players at the Banks selling food potions dds rune cross armor runes and as well the pkers could sell there loot there to people in need of items they lost the community made runescape what it was it’s not nostalgia it’s how the game was designed it’s a mmo and saying you didn’t want to spam chat and just wanted to go to the end game with the boys is not how runescape was ever intended to be played before god wars there was no end game? And with god wars still no end game? What you say is the meta copied from rs3 and it ruined osrs starting with g/e then instantly killing the true game and the community as you can see even today the g/e made items available for instant buying and selling power and was to be a gathering spot for the players to socialize yet look at it and look how the town market was at g/e no one but a gambling bot talks everyone is idle or bank standing or alching under those bank standers they do not have conversations with each other much they are all around each other but no one engages one another the community is there but they are dead and g/e has taken the ability for players to decide there items value instead they are told the price and now are taxed due to the inflation the g/e has created again and and those merch bots and the those who merch you said they was a problem yet with the g/e all the bots come to dump massive amounts of items making the items value totally worthless and the merch bot has gained full instant access to stocks as do players and if you haven’t noticed the rares prices lately and other items being manipulated by players controlling the stocks…….. The g/e has ruined the game and it’s community even pvp is effected and the g/e has led the way to ruining everything that made runescape runescape….. after the g/e they took the death penalty away so there is no risk if you die along with no one going into the word to do anything and that end game you mentioned with the boys before the G/e came out there is no end game in runescape until they brought raids a copy from rs3 also adding Nmz to get you there faster but now the g/e is a thing but when you said it guess what? There wouldn’t be a fat chance in hell you and your team could go to Sara off for your “end game” you would all have to have geared up without a g/e all would have to had the agili level without rooftops being a thing and no stamina potions having the proper herb level for one of you or but a super set each or range potions with unids being a thing and gathering all these requirements each with no g/w and your complaining about spamming chat and I doubt you would go to barrows and get all your gear and the levels for agility without all the handy caps added taking away from os original ways and becoming a joke from the old school runescape title you can’t even call it old school now it’s rs3 with rs2 graphics third party clients raids more instance bosses with a chest if you die you can buy your stuff back you baby a end game meta a anti social exp gain motto no true meaningful gameplay or rarity to weapons and armor obtained content bringing more power creep to promote more in game content….. this isn’t runescape at all and skilling has zero purpose since your profits don’t exist on anything since your supply is worthless to the bot farms selling mass quality to everyone every day the wild is dead cause there no point in going into wild unless your going to revs since there no point in pvp with unbalanced weapons that pures use and one shot early and mid level players and they risk nothing if you manage to kill them zerkers don’t seem to exist anymore high level pking is the exact same thing Ice barrage into range step under target switch to ags? Even lms bots do that is boring the duel arena was removed as well decreasing community and more content for “end game” this game is total crap the original had way more content without g/e then osrs now it was designed that way for a reason in the first place because it’s a mmorpg not a solo game not a 4 man co op with your friends playing “end game content “ witch is stupid since you want to get to the end to do what? Repeat the exact same thing over and over? And achieve what exactly? Not a damn thing because this isn’t how the game is designed never was and shows everything that made this game great has been ruined for people who don’t even know what made osrs osrs and wonder why the game is dying fucking idiots
@@TheEstafista literally adding ge ruined the game in skilling pvp community purpose personal gains achievements of self gain inflation market tampering making everything else losing the game’s identity having any armor or items not special or rewarding since any can go to ge and buy it
@@kyles7773Yeah because osrs combat is engaging, riveting even. Nothing is as skill based and nuanced as clicking on something, waiting for it to die, and then clicking on another thing.
This video is a great example of why game companies don’t poll player updates. The players begged for a better way while voting against every possible solution.
It’s not about polling vs not polling. It’s about effective polling vs ineffective polling. In this case, they should have polled for the guaranteed implementation of a trade solution. That would have waived the 75% requirement on the subsequent poll for the specific option, which would have gone by simple majority.
Thank goodness the GE got voted in, I think there's a 0% chance I would've kept playing if I had to stand around and type all day or use some stupid forum every time I wanted an item for a quest or food for PvM activities.
that was 90% of my social life back in the day, the GE ruined it. hanging out at Seer's, merching, talking shit, watching noobs get scammed. those were the days ...
I used to love viewing people's bank sales and trying to haggle good prices to flip later on, was good times. Forum businesses were actually ace and such a good time as well. The ge, as super efficient and useful and quick as it is, does reduce a giant social aspect of the game which whilst convenient, is a shame. It is an MMO after all, and you really don't need to do things alongside others anymore
Thank Guthix that it came to OSRS eventually tho. End the scams, end the time waste, end the hand cramps, and end the notion that every single thing that happened post-2006 was inherently a bad thing with absolutely no benefit to the players.
Pre zybez merching was so profitable even with zybez it was but for me at least I'd have to travel to catherby to buy fish and varrock to sell them lol
@@Kindreddit Ooh yeah, I had slots in the bank to identify them without having to clean them, so I made a ton out of this in the beginning! When someone sold 11 stacks for example, I'd also bring noted 11 stacks, one of them being ranarrs and the rest of the inventory full of random items.. So if someone didn't have ranarrs in their stack the trade wouldn't accept.
I played back then, I think the general idea was to not have a central place for trading like the GE. The trading post was supposed to be like the GE but in every bank. This would make the map more active with players at most of the banks in the game rather than most of them hanging out at the GE in varrock. It was a good idea but it didn't play out right. We just got the ultra budget GE trading post.
That makes sense, but before the GE and trading posts it was kind of worse. Instead of having the GE be a location in Varrock on every server, there were instead a few servers where everyone would group up in Falador and Varrock to sell. The few times someone tried to sell wares outside of trade servers they'd usually go ignored by the ten or twenty people that are there to do something unrelated... so the seller would give up and go back to an always-packed trade server. Sometimes even that wouldn't work, simply because people that wanted what you were selling couldn't see your trade offers or happened to be on another trade server/site. The only way around it was to either rely on a third party merching site or repeatedly bump your market forum post alongside a million other people, hoping you can stay on the 50-page listing long enough to find someone willing to trade.
Yea I remember that kinda being the sentiment too, because at this point in time the ones of us that hated the GE from standard runescape, didn't wanna see the same shit happen, although it was basically happening with only 3 real Hotspots for trading anyways, and zybes was the only way to combat standing and yelling for days. But I definitely would've liked the split between banks idea(like how we can collect anywhere) more than the GE. The ge blew up on release and I mean now I'd honestly say even witb the 20~ players per world usually standing there, it's still pretty dead as a player hotspot, most people seem to only try being at the GE for the minimum time it takes to setup trades, and collect from banks, and I don't blame anyone, since most of the people at the ge at any given time are strictly scammers and their bots.
And with that being said, having recently logged back into standard runescape, the GE there still holds more players as a Hotspot than it does on osrs, and boy is it annoying to do business there lmao
Nice. Private servers do the trading post method and it works way better. RS3 also has multiple GEs. I was in Menaphone and there was one there at the bank.
You forgot the fact that when the GE came out, there was a trade limit of 5000gp to 30000 gp value. Meaning you couldn't build your pures and had to trade something of equal value. In return.
The polling system almost made me quit the game several times the community is so anal about anything and everything. But in the end the game is still better then RS3 to me. Idk where I’d be without the grand exchange.
Yeah its almost like “design by committee” is a bad thing, and direct democracy is that but times the number of voters. The game will never have more them marginal improvements if everything has to be agreed on by 60% of the player base. Preaching to the choir though lol
As a casual fan of OSRS and someone that played RS2 back in the day, it's so bizarre to me seeing this community vehemently against adding anything to this damn game. I understand nostalgia, but how long can you keep playing the same game with no changes?
Well, if they wanted updates, why wouldn't they just play RS3? OSRS was initially made just for people who didn't like updates in RS3. That's why so many OSRS players didn't want updates - that was the whole promise of OSRS. OSRS only got a different philosophy when it started dying like RSC, and it had to be turned into something else. Like, yeah, updates, but only with a really weird, inconsistent, and kinda rigged voting system, and with keeping some things purposefully crappy while trying to improve other things but only in a way that doesn't remind people about RS3 except for sometimes. Man, the whole OSRS thing is strange. I feel like it may be mostly held together by nostalgic diehards and bots sometimes.
That’s why OSRS almost died. I’ve said this multiple times, but it’s still true: Jagex had every opportunity near the beginning of OSRS to say something like, “Oh, you’re tired and bored of the game you begged us for? The “nostalgia” factor has worn off? Player counts are dropping like flies (and bad stocks)? Well, I hate to say it, but…WE TOLD YOU SO!” followed by them shutting down OSRS for good and then all we’d have is RS3. But, they decided not to, and everyone is all the more thankful for it. Lol. Sure, the numbers are decent now, but near the beginning, player counts for OSRS dropped to near disastrous levels, and the game was definitely on life support, so yeah…change was absolutely necessary.
Because I've been playing since 2004, I was very well versed in pre GE trading. It was a nice bit of nostalgia to do it again when osrs came again, but it was annoying once the nostalgia wore off. I'm happy the GE was introduced back into osrs when it was, as it's a whole lot more convenient and secure. I 100% have used an autotyper for it's convenience, and because my wrists didn't sting afterwards. 100% one of the best updates for the game overall.
Can we all just accept that not every update that lead to RS3 was bad? I love OSRS as much as anyone else, I love the nostalgia, but nostalgia is stagnant, it's quite literally stuck in the past. The game NEEDS updates to survive. Yes, RS3 made a lot of mistakes but it's a thriving frequently updated game for a reason. Let OSRS thrive in it's own way.
As someone who primarily plays RS3 and was an OSRS Enjoyer for about 8 months, I honestly do worry about the future of OSRS sometimes. The hardcore playerbase has such a death-grip on the status quo that it takes so much effort for Jagex to convince the players to let them implement anything particularly new or exciting into the game. At least, that's my impression looking in from the outside.
Players rejected the GE for reasons that have nothing to do with RS3. The GE has always been a divisive point in the player base and the team ultimately solved the issue by making Ironman mode. I and many other have and never will accept the GE and the effect it has on the game, preferring to play without it.
@@TheFlyingslug wow has the same issues currently. Almost all end game content is based around the highest tier hardcore raider which basically makes casuals feel like their wasting time.
The photoshopped auction house picture (the actual ones not the things you found first) has a feature I’ve wanted in the GE forever: the ability to see open offers and depth of book information. The current price check mechanism isn’t good, even without the new tax.
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I loved the old trading system… when we were naive kids. I started in 2005, and stopped training at 73 cb when I discovered flipping. We just called it merching back then. You were providing the convenience of having the items high level wealthy players wanted for a cost. It was great. Rich pkers/stakers would pay close to double on the forums if you had 99 prayer worth of d bones they could instantly buy. All I did all day every day was merch until I could afford a purple p hat (80m back then). With all that nostalgia in mind osrs still needed the ge to survive. We’re all grown now and don’t have the time/patience. Plus the merch bots… roll all those problems together and it makes sense.
I remember at one point in time you could find santa hats for sale for 50k in some locations, then turn around and sell them for 100k in others. I know I did that multiple times. Kind of painful to think how many I could have had if I just bought them all and kept them instead lol..
felt like i just read my life story minus actually buying the purp phat for 80m although i did consider it, i chose to keep my cash stack that i worked hard for lol
I hated merching back then also, but my first million was getting an army of f2p players to mine rune essence (before pure essence was a thing), while I flipped the large quantities on the forums lol
I don't miss the lack of convenience during the pre- GE days, but I do feel a bit of soul left the game when it was added all those years back. Back in 2004-2006, you could always find lots of people in all the cities (I remember seeing Seer's PACKED on some worlds), and I never understood why there couldn't be a grand exchange agent in every city with a bank. Maybe they felt it would be too convenient, but I do miss those days where every bank potentially had a ton of people. Except Yanille. No one hung out in Yanille.
Half of this problem could be fixed by condensing the amount of worlds we have... each server can hold bloomin 2000 people yet there's less than 500 people in 99% of them. If we at least halved the amount of worlds, you'd actually be playing with other people again, having to deal with both the conveniences and inconveniences that such an environment creates. Imo, this would be great, but they don't seem to think about this possibility at all.
@@I_Crit_My_Pants Yeah, I could see that helping. There's been enough expansion with dungeons and training spots in the game that, while you'd have competition for mobs in some areas, at least you'd be seeing more people. WoW had a similar issue that they tried to solve with server sharing and cross-server interactions, and while I know a vocal amount of people disliked it, I wound up interacting with way more people because of it.
What about you keep the GE system but accessable as some kind of post-office in some of the main banks in Runescape. Instead of one single hub on the map.
The irony is that likely would have been the end goal of trading posts, though if RS3 is anything to go off of, having more GEs doesn't really spread people out. Menaphos for example has one that you gain access to fairly easily and it's a ghost town for the most part. Real shame because the city is rather nice. Or I suppose I've never really seen anyone else in the city and it's where I base myself out of because it's out of the way and no one comes here.(Yes I play RS3 I just prefer it even though I started all the way back in 2007, but I also tend to be F2P and OSRS doesn't really have much to do in F2P compared to RS3.)
Try out an ironman sometime. It changes the way you interact with the game on a fundamental level and you may find you like it. I personally found myself getting far more out of the game when recipe for disaster involved trekking all over Gielenor rather than a trip to the GE. Different strokes for different folks though and the way of playing the game that brings you the most enjoyment is the best way to play
A good example of players not knowing what they want yet still being irrationally vocal. I'm certain Jagex is aware of their playerbase and planned this entire sequence to play out the way it did.
I think the issue is that in the beginning many people, myself included were very nostalgic for 2007scape and didn't want it to change too much. I'm almost as nostalgic about old school in 2013 as I was about 2004-2007 back in 2013. It was fun for that brief time when everything was rare, there were no whips in the game yet and everyone was a noob. Skilling could make you bank and we all were racing to level up and be the first to make specific items and get rare drops. But as with anything time doesn't stand still and quickly that period ended and the game had to evolve. Now it's at the point where it's hard for me to pick up again because so much has changed and there's lots of very weird content that feels like a private server.
@@nutyyyy yeah this sums up my feelings I have zero interest going back but that moment was nice, to be able to interact with others instead of mindlessly standing at the GE like zombies was fun.
back then I didn't realize there was a logout button so I would often x log in hostile areas and thought logging in in lumby with only my 3 best items was how the game worked. I was like 8
The ge is both a blessing and a curse. I remember way back before EoC i worked my way up the ranks in a runecrafting company. I loved working in player corps and seeing the community make things like that. I do though enjoy the sheer easiness of throwing my nature runes now on the GE rather than posting on the forums and refreshing hoping to sell though
I feel like there are ways to find a happy middle ground, like taxing certain or all goods on the GE like 25% to incentivize manual econmy while leaving a fallback option if someone really needs something and cant find a seller
When I was a kid playing back in 04, my main gig was flipping feathers. Buy them all up in the free worlds for 2gp each, and I knew that I could sell them in the main free world for 4-10gp each, because it was frequently visited by members who needed them for fletching.
I’m positive I learned monopoly and IRL business negotiations from this game. Falador park and west v bank. I think that’s why I have the job I have irl now
Here's a trick for you. Take a 1 month break from RuneScape and come back. See what good updates are coming after. I quit for a month rs3 and now they are having Zamorak as a final boss elite dungeon and reviving the wilderness lol and fixing death costs when these things were not fixed for over 8 years.
Interesting video, but I arrive at a completely different standpoint. The players were indecisive, and Jagex kept trying to offer solutions that could potentially pass polls. The players played themselves. I think even if the trading posts never existed, the grand exchange would. Just look at all the other things that players didn't find old school, such as GWD, Nex, ported quests. They were all voted in quite unequivocally.
In game design people get taught about the(likely oversimplified) history of chunky pasta sauce. To simplify farther because to type the whole thing out would go over UA-cam's character limit, the main pasta sauce makers would poll people on what they wanted from their pasta sauces, and every time they would ask in this poll about if the customers wanted chunky pasta sauce, and every time the polls showed they didn't want it. After some time they decided to do a test, and offered free samples of various pasta sauces one of these happened to be a chunky pasta sauce, and overwhelmingly people loved the chunky pasta sauce. Thus showing that the people didn't know what they wanted until they had it. This is taught because the same idea applies to video games, the customer doesn't know what they want until they have it. The GE is a prime example of that, people didn't realize just how much they liked the GE until they didn't have it, and were forced to go back to the old style of trading. Even then they desperately clung to the idea that their system was somehow better because it had been so long they had forgotten how nice the GE is. Then Jagex gave it to them and the majority loved it.
Never understood why people didn’t want the GE, who wants to waste their time to sell or buy items like that, and especially less valuable or more junk stuff would just take forever and not be worth to get rid of
No GE forced me to make all the items I needed for anything I wanted to do. Helped me to learn all the skills I never wanted to touch and finally max my account. I started playing when I was 14 I'm 31 now. I remember standing around typing my ass off. It's also where I learned how to type so I'm thankful for that. My moms was pissed though, she would hear me "tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap" and asked me what the hell I was doing in the middle of the night (Computer was in her room) I went as far as to tell her that I was selling drugs on the internet because I couldn't tell her I was spending ours trying to get the perfect price on some rune items I wanted to flip for in game currency. Shit was nutsssss I have fond memories of the old way of playing but fuckkkk all that...
Zybez is how i made my first few millions in a few weeks. Sold quest "kits". Would collect all the needed items for common quests and sell it as a pack. Then had the choice of paying 200-500k or spend 1-2 hours collecting everything yourself. Was an awesome method not many got into it seems.
ge is much better than the game without it. We have enough bots spamming and jagex is fricken worthless about stopping the scams lures and phishing bots. Been playing since 04 and I hate the spam. It is so impossible to find what you want into the mess.
the people who never wanted the ge in percentage were 20% kids with tons of time on their hands unlike adults, 5% people who actually liked it and finally 75% people who thought they liked it due to nostalgia but either due to being an adult or the hate of wasting time changed their thoughts on it once it actually released and noticed how much more fun the game is without sitting in a dirty bank saying "please buy my iron bars sir i wanna go back to slayer its been 6 hours"
or people who knew how forums worked and unlike you, the larper, actually had a life so making a forum post then having a life for a week until a buyer DM's you and setups a date for trade was never a problem. The people who instasell/instabuy on ge are the nolifers and bots.
I preferred the game before GE. Game was way more fun imo, the market was active and their was reason bargain and trade. Way more fun for me. Now I play an iron cause it’s the closest I can get to pre-ge but can’t trade or bargain. I guess the youngins just don’t have the nostalgia for why it was so fun. Or some people just aren’t interested in that style of play. For those saying “stand around and type” the whole game of osrs is very much standing around or clicking here and there… it’s a simple game, not a lot goes on and you’re grinding for something almost all the time, sometimes with no progress being made. So it makes sense for people to enjoy pre-ge in a game like this.
one of the biggest things i liked about the original selling system was that even if you weren't super rich you could still manipulate the market by yourself. only 2000 players could join world 1 or 2 so you didnt have to compete with everyone who was trying to sell the same item as you. instead i would just buy out the 5 other people selling the same thing as me in fally park and increase the price accordingly haha. now you need an army of guys to manipulate the market hahaha
To me people that prefer the old system either have nostalgia on their heads instead of a brain or are people that liked scamming others because i can't see someone with a functional brain think that the old system was good. There is a way to make trading exist without a auction system and it's called a open shop system but this in the end make you waste real life energy letting your computer open selling stuff.
@@fish3977 EoC completely changed the game that everyone loved. Nobody asked for it except for WoW fanboys who thought that a game was shit if you cant spam number key abilities. Osrs and pre-EoC combat mechanics are unique and charming, whilst EoC is the same shit as every other MMO. Appreciating the GE being implemented does not give you free reign to talk about EoC like it deserves the same merit.
GE just makes buying/selling more convenient, EoC completely changes the combat on the game, i don't think these can be compared but i am no EoC hater, if the only problem i had with rs3 was the EoC i would still be on it
The comment section is still posed with so many people complaining about the GE lol The GE solved the issues that plagued the old way of trading and get people bitch about it just to bitch. Reason like “it ruined social chatting” doesn’t fly, people barely did more than spam or trade back in the day. I’ve seen far more social chatting at the GE than anywhere else. Among all other dumb reasons as to why the GE was “bad”. It’s just common and popular to hate on it, and not realizing that something is good and yet still comparing about it, because humans be humans we are very dumb creatures in a group.
I guarantee the trading post did exactly what they wanted it to. Prove how stupid people were being and get enough to poll the GE in. Purists seriously damage and ruin OSRS today. They always reject interesting content like new skills or needed skill reworks for the sake of muh nostalgia. Cringe.
jagex didn't have to trick me into liking the ge i was always for it nothing worse then trying to do a quest back in like 2005 hopping to world 1 or 2 and sitting there spamming same msg for an hour for 1 item just to do a 20 minute terrible run from point A to point B quest.
Smh I remember when i got scammed for 60m back then , i was trying to buy bandos tassys and chest , i went to accept trade trade and fckn dude took the money out last second lol , I think i got scammed a total of 2x , i'm glad the Ge exists, so i dont have to deal with people ,
That listing to show off issue is still prevalent in the pokemon home trading Every man and his dog asking for impossible shinies or legendaries just to flex I guess you give people a chance to flex and there’s gonna be some who do
I played Runescape in the 2003-2010 era, so before and after the grand exchange, and I have to say the Grand Exchange is amazing. It's the best way to trade Runescape will ever have. The long hours of constant typing and searching for buyers before the GE existed were beyond brutal. I came back when Old School launched and wanted the GE so bad. The people who didn't want the GE in Old School were just full of nostalgia and nothing else. There was no reason to go back to that super old school trade system for no other reason than that. It sucked in Old School just like it did back in 2013. The horrible trade system would have only pleased boomer era players like myself that wanted it, and Old School Runescape would have never grown in player counts. Gamers from 2013- modern times were/are way too lazy and impatient for and old ass trade system like back in 2003. I believe the GE has done a lot to help the game grow. Also, at the end of the day 2007 GE was already old school in 2013 when OSRS launched anyways.
You can be so antisocial these days if you want lol. No need to interact with those strange "randos" if you don't want to besides Arrav and Heroes Quest.
This is a perfect example to show that a lot of OSRS players just straight up lie when they say they do or don't like something. The weird posturing for a nostalgia they don't even prefer is just so bizarre to me.
I do wish they made a mode like iron man where you just can't trade on the exchange. So you would just be able to play the old way with others who also play that same mode, and not be able to trade those who can use the exchange.
They never vote for F2P updates with good xp rates because of all the shitty challenge accounts they have. They don't care about the F2P player experience.
I'm definitely in the camp of hating the GE. I think it's a big part of why pretty much all socialization I've seen these days is F2P. Experienced players don't seem to talk to anyone outside their clan chats. It sucks.
Funny. They only people that complain about the social aspect are usually the worst at it. I have no problem to socialise in or out of the game. Everywhere I go, I make acquaintances and friends. Yet, once in a while, I meet people like you. You think that nobody wants to socialise anymore. If the world around you always react the same towards you, look inward. You're the common thing, you're the problem, not the other way around.
@@La_Verge "No U" is a really shit argument. I'm glad your anecdotal experience is great. Good for you. Dunno why that requires trashing on others. Nor do I see why you expect me to have much faith in your social capabilities, when you seem to lack basic common decency.
Okay so what I think is funny. Is back when this came out and I realized the GE wasn’t in the game. I did not continue playing due to the fact that you mentioned. I didn’t have time as an adult to sell or buy anything with the old style. Fast forward x amount of years and all I do is play a hard core Ironman. lol what’s a GE?
Ok so you're wrong about why they wouldn't poll the Grand Exchange and its because they PROMMISED at launch that they're never bring the GE, GWD, or Dragon Claws. Look how that turned out....
Pre ge in rs2 I didn't realize i wanted something like the ge... It just seemed normal to have to search to buy something... Then once osrs came out i was so used to having the ge to buy anything right away it really sucked not having it in oldschool.. I get why it wasnt wanted, but im just too lazy to do trading like we used to haha.
Dont play anymore but when i was a kid in 05 i downloaded an auto typer and literally like an hour later got hacked lmao. learned a valueable lesson on downloading shit. the g e sucks it ruined such a social/skill level to the game. everytime is too concerned with no wasting xp. back then only a select few played for xp while the rest enjoyed the game for A GAME.
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I know this video is old, but this is exactly why I've always been 100% in favor of lowering the 75% threshold to 65% or even 60% cause back then a lot of players were freaking purists who prevented a lot of good shit to come into the game. Nowadays it seems that crowd calmed down a bit, but holy crap they were loud. Probably still are in some places.
The GE not existing because of old heads being stubborn when ironman and ultimate ironman exists and you can be stubborn on there is wild to me. Played primarily in 2005 all the way until the dungueoneering skill was introduced (hated that skill, summoning too) but the GE not existing today just seems like a false difficulty spike from the old heads for no reason. Still not a fan of the 1% tax on all transactions but given how much new gold is constantly being introduced into the game through killing/high alch/selling etc its not all that surprising. Inflation is no joke.
The trading system before GE made it immersive, wild, raw, and fun. GE is boring... Like its mideval times role playing of course trading was obscured and a job in itself and dangerous of scams, but thats what made it exciting.
The only reason I can type so fast today is because I tried to keep up with, I'm just now learning that this is the case, TYPING BOTS. I'd like to personally thank the typing bots for giving me the skills to eventually write my college papers at the very last minute.
Think you maybe forget that trading other players does force a bank pin. Maybe dropping the items instead if they are not too expensive worked for hackers. But not expensive items.
Blows me away they didnt do something like WoW and the auction house. Just show all the listings of stuff and make it nice and sortable. Even the GE you just buy from invisible players at least the AH in WoW felt like you were buying from people.
Any version of trading not done by yourself is literally a dumbed-down version of the Grand Exchange (GE). Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. Although I'm not sure it would pass, I think it would be much closer to a 50-50 chance, maybe 40-60 chance to pass rather than a resounding 20% (or less) that people think it would have been. There are 2 key things to keep in mind. (1) Not everyone speaks their mind aloud. Even if people are saying they hate the GE, they may just be joining "the crowd" verbally to not be "different". It's typically a minority of people who are screaming out loud and the majority of players would be just playing the game. If you've seen the "Denpa Kyoushi (Otaku Teacher)" anime, the teacher's confrontation with the Gamer King is a perfect example of "the best known gamer" not actually being the best and this can be applied to this topic of people either not having time to speak out or not caring either way. (2) The ugly truth is that the moment a SINGLE thing changed since the release of osrs, it immediately ceased to be 07scape. This means if the original release of osrs had a bug where people could dupe items and it was patched, it would literally cease to be the nostalgic 07scape. Given that not only had patches come but updates as well, even when they were polled, it was no longer the game they were nostalgic over. Although people are heavily averse to the Evolution of Combat, the simplicity and ease of the GE exceeds all bad feelings the EoC could provide. Between autotypers+autochat+unofficial website+in-game trading and the GE, I don't believe many would be opposed to the idea. Let's not forget that plenty of the players had enjoyed the luxury of the GE before they returned to osrs so the return of the "Hell" of sitting in Falador/Varrock and trying to trade would make them scream internally for the GE. As an extended analogy, imagine the era of history before the toilet (and toilet paper was invented). Say you wanted to return to the previous era where life was good but you overlooked that there were no toilets-would you still want "toilets not to be invented in your lifetime" or would you try and get them implemented? Don't forget, the "Gods" (Jagex) also mentioned they would be willing to implement those toilets. Would your nostalgia for the era be enough to overcome your desire for the luxury of a toilet (GE)? NAY. The luxury of the GE is equivalent to the luxury of a toilet and anyone who would vote against it is either stupid or someone who wants to scam other people. I'll do you one better and say that 07scape is too late to be nostalgic about since its a massively dumbed down version of Runescape2. Take the game back to before make-x when you had to left click each fish and the cooking surface and occasionally eat what you cook or there's nothing to be nostalgic about!!!! Bring back that arthritic cooking and I'll concede it deserves to be called NOSTALGIC Oldschool Runescape. LOL
It is so crazy that you mentioned the saradomin brew/strength potion scam. I lost like 800 mill 07 on that exact scam like a three weeks into the original world 45 deadman mode, when it was peak dmm. I never actually played any of them, I just swap for a little bit gold and then merch in the deadman mode worlds because it’s so easy. I haven’t played any of the recent seasons, but I used to buy climbing boots by the tens of thousands for literally 100 GP, and then sell them for 22K. It was the most money I have ever made in RuneScape, I swapped every time I got 1m + dmm. I was making like 450 million 07 a day. My largest profit all together was from sara brews. I also did this with other potions, like prayer, restore, super attack and strength, sanfew serums, etc., but the brews were the best. I used some of my profit to train four accounts to max herb, I bought all the vials, herbs, secondaries, etc., for less than 1k a brew and sold them for like 50k-200k each depending on how long the server had been live.
Thing is if players were against the ge being around they could have just not used it. Didn't have to force players who were ok with it to trade the old way.
I remember sitting at West bank spamming down "flash2:wave: selling 100k steel bars 500 gp ea - lovsaphira9" over and over, prepping up the next one to hit enter as soon as my text disappeared from over my head. I didn't get scammed during that time since my friend a year prior got scammed 100k for a "saradomin sword" where they quick swapped it to a steel 2h (on RS3). When the trading post was added, it was an okay solution, basically took zybez and put it into the game as a temporary solution. To be honest, I only used the trading post like 3 times to buy things such as rune armor.
I wouldn't mind if the grand exchange was more personal, like "you bought x amount of items from [user]" or "[user] bought [item] from you" A big thing i don't like about modern runescape is the disconnect between players, so having more ways to let players connect would improve the game for me
Ok inb4 you didn’t watch the whole bud. Bro I’m at like 5:00 in and I’m wanting to yell at the screen FORUMS that’s how you bought/sold “obscure” or large amount items… and it was magical doing so. You just waiting and bam people in your private msg for the item. Meet in agreed location wham bam done. True oldschool
My idea for a reintroduction for the Trading Post: You can’t buy or sell on it, but it does the same thing it and zybez did: a place to see what’s being sold and bought with their prices, like a stock ticker, and a small idea I had for it is like the Mojave Express boxes from Fallout New Vegas, where you store a limited amount of items in it to pick up at a different post, or a place to pick up the items you bought on the GE
Could someone more versed with OSRS help me out a bit, and explain to me why the GE as a concept was originally so despised? Like all the bullet points of the "no ge" arguments. From an external point of view (I don't play OSRS) all I can think of is that perhaps the GE in the minds of many was linked to the most unpopular changes done in RS due to RWT issues back in the day like removal of free trade/wilderness removal, and so it causes such a major flashback of disdain that the GE also got coated in it as it came out around the same time partially due to this change happening. That and there is a certain nostalgic charm of trading in banks, though it is a slow process with many many drawbacks and fails. Though, as I said - This is just my speculation, as I don't play OSRS. The player culture is thus to me completely foreign as an end result, so perhaps someone here can give me a bit of insight into things, so I do understand this all a bit more.
Before the GE RS was so different. The GE made the quality of life much easier especially for players like me who could only play as F2P as a kid. Pre GE, the game was so much more interactive because we relied on our fellow players for everything to trade and sell to
Selling items on runescape the old fashioned way gave me a life skill: I can type over 80 words per minute without even looking at the keyboard, all because I was in varrock for hours typing "Selling dragon hides 2k each" repeatedly. lol
old way of trading: Nostalgic, more personal, more immersive - but also zero safety new trading system: efficient, effective, saves time - lots of safety at a certain point people have to take trade offs just like in real life. You trade freedom for safety, you trade profit/time for speed, ect. The grand exchange did not ruin runescape People are older now, we have jobs, families, ect.
The idea of seeing who is selling something at said price and in said amounts, like every other MMO. The GE is just broken items say they sell for certain prices but never buys or sells at what the price jagex says it should be.
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I really dont get what ur talking abaut. By the time G E came out everyone wanted it. No one was tricked. People got boored of traiding boards real quick. Also alot of people (me included) got boored of not having any bank space or not being able to sell certain items. G E helped for everyone to free up some space in a bank, made question 1,000 times better and helped to turn lots of useless items into coins.
You know what people used to do with 5 rrubbies, 3 saphires and 2 emeralds in bank? Drop them. This goes for alot of other items. And dont get me started on quest items. If you need to go to osrs forums to find someone who is selling quest item bundle for 200k game has a problem. GE instantly fixed that problem.
P.S. If anyone responds and starts talking how they "liked" old way of traiding here's few questions for you:
Do you also like to travel by horse instead of car to work? Would you want that for your EVERY DAY LIFE?
Do you even played back before G E was intruduced into the game? Because I did and everyone was pissed abaut not having G E at that time.
G E won by majority for a reason. Trading posts and player-to-player traiding pretty much died. Why? BECAUSE IT WAS A HORRIBLE WAY TO BUY OR SELL STUFF! It was fine and quite fun then you needed stream line items but then it comes to anything remotely rare it was pain in the **s to get. Gout tuber, traiding sticks or gnome restaurant food items was things you could spend hours looking for.
Also you need to trade with OSRS community. So many times i met up with a guy and price went up randomly. Or he tryed to low-ball me even if the price was decided in pm's...
Did you even play rs2 or even osrs when it launched? You clearly seem to haven’t all or your part of the problem with osrs now and then because you fail to see the seer importance of how the game was without grandexchange and how the g/e killed osrs and the community and the ripple effect it has made……… first off if you stood around spamming to sell items you didn’t understand this game at all and why it was a mmorpg you had options going to towns to buy or sell was the point but while you was there you could walk around and check out what everyone is doing and try to sell some of what you had if you saw a buyer while seeing if there was anything you might want or need or could possibly make a deal with traders offering your own selling items with cash for what they had or perhaps try for a low price maybe see if someone is spamming chat and you see a buyer a little ways off and get a deal on the seller and sell to the buyer…you could make friends or talk to players while watching the market or you could leave and work on getting your own items like many players did since it was part of the game? And the merch bots you speak of and merch players really had no influence over the market since it was player ran……. And like rs2 if you wanted it but not wanting to pay there price there’s always someone somewhere perhaps in another town or world maybe you see someone with the item you want and you approach them and ask if you could buy it from them? It’s a classic supply and demand and it kept money from inflating and accepting items instead of money or accepting both and and it brought the community together and the g/e wasn’t needed when the community provided the services like the pkers at edgevile if they died or needed to bank or restock there was players at the Banks selling food potions dds rune cross armor runes and as well the pkers could sell there loot there to people in need of items they lost the community made runescape what it was it’s not nostalgia it’s how the game was designed it’s a mmo and saying you didn’t want to spam chat and just wanted to go to the end game with the boys is not how runescape was ever intended to be played before god wars there was no end game? And with god wars still no end game? What you say is the meta copied from rs3 and it ruined osrs starting with g/e then instantly killing the true game and the community as you can see even today the g/e made items available for instant buying and selling power and was to be a gathering spot for the players to socialize yet look at it and look how the town market was at g/e no one but a gambling bot talks everyone is idle or bank standing or alching under those bank standers they do not have conversations with each other much they are all around each other but no one engages one another the community is there but they are dead and g/e has taken the ability for players to decide there items value instead they are told the price and now are taxed due to the inflation the g/e has created again and and those merch bots and the those who merch you said they was a problem yet with the g/e all the bots come to dump massive amounts of items making the items value totally worthless and the merch bot has gained full instant access to stocks as do players and if you haven’t noticed the rares prices lately and other items being manipulated by players controlling the stocks…….. The g/e has ruined the game and it’s community even pvp is effected and the g/e has led the way to ruining everything that made runescape runescape….. after the g/e they took the death penalty away so there is no risk if you die along with no one going into the word to do anything and that end game you mentioned with the boys before the
G/e came out there is no end game in runescape until they brought raids a copy from rs3 also adding Nmz to get you there faster but now the g/e is a thing but when you said it guess what? There wouldn’t be a fat chance in hell you and your team could go to Sara off for your “end game” you would all have to have geared up without a g/e all would have to had the agili level without rooftops being a thing and no stamina potions having the proper herb level for one of you or but a super set each or range potions with unids being a thing and gathering all these requirements each with no g/w and your complaining about spamming chat and I doubt you would go to barrows and get all your gear and the levels for agility without all the handy caps added taking away from os original ways and becoming a joke from the old school runescape title you can’t even call it old school now it’s rs3 with rs2 graphics third party clients raids more instance bosses with a chest if you die you can buy your stuff back you baby a end game meta a anti social exp gain motto no true meaningful gameplay or rarity to weapons and armor obtained content bringing more power creep to promote more in game content….. this isn’t runescape at all and skilling has zero purpose since your profits don’t exist on anything since your supply is worthless to the bot farms selling mass quality to everyone every day the wild is dead cause there no point in going into wild unless your going to revs since there no point in pvp with unbalanced weapons that pures use and one shot early and mid level players and they risk nothing if you manage to kill them zerkers don’t seem to exist anymore high level pking is the exact same thing Ice barrage into range step under target switch to ags? Even lms bots do that is boring the duel arena was removed as well decreasing community and more content for “end game” this game is total crap the original had way more content without g/e then osrs now it was designed that way for a reason in the first place because it’s a mmorpg not a solo game not a 4 man co op with your friends playing “end game content “ witch is stupid since you want to get to the end to do what? Repeat the exact same thing over and over? And achieve what exactly? Not a damn thing because this isn’t how the game is designed never was and shows everything that made this game great has been ruined for people who don’t even know what made osrs osrs and wonder why the game is dying fucking idiots
@@TheEstafista literally adding ge ruined the game in skilling pvp community purpose personal gains achievements of self gain inflation market tampering making everything else losing the game’s identity having any armor or items not special or rewarding since any can go to ge and buy it
@@TheEstafista hard disagree.
The more I watch these, the more I realize that this Runescape's worst enemy is the players.
You weren't playing when EOC was released... it's not the players.
@@kyles7773 So you're one of the players. Got it.
@@kyles7773 EOC is the exception. I would play RS3 if it didn't have EOC. Dungeoneering was my absolute favorite activity.
@@kyles7773Yeah because osrs combat is engaging, riveting even. Nothing is as skill based and nuanced as clicking on something, waiting for it to die, and then clicking on another thing.
@@blakebennett3987Have you ever killed Zulrah?
This video is a great example of why game companies don’t poll player updates. The players begged for a better way while voting against every possible solution.
Yeah, that’s osrs alright.
It’s not about polling vs not polling. It’s about effective polling vs ineffective polling. In this case, they should have polled for the guaranteed implementation of a trade solution. That would have waived the 75% requirement on the subsequent poll for the specific option, which would have gone by simple majority.
I think it was a blizzard dev who said it best.
"The players think they know what they want, but they really don't."
@@aquilleswinkler5051that dev was an out of touch pos. Difference of opinion doesn't = no opinion/ uninformed opinion.
Thank goodness the GE got voted in, I think there's a 0% chance I would've kept playing if I had to stand around and type all day or use some stupid forum every time I wanted an item for a quest or food for PvM activities.
Facts
that was 90% of my social life back in the day, the GE ruined it. hanging out at Seer's, merching, talking shit, watching noobs get scammed. those were the days ...
@@skellious It really was, but alas is no longer sufficient for the new era of "efficiency" ://
Lotta people quit for the diametrically opposite reason
I used to love viewing people's bank sales and trying to haggle good prices to flip later on, was good times. Forum businesses were actually ace and such a good time as well. The ge, as super efficient and useful and quick as it is, does reduce a giant social aspect of the game which whilst convenient, is a shame. It is an MMO after all, and you really don't need to do things alongside others anymore
Thank Guthix that it came to OSRS eventually tho. End the scams, end the time waste, end the hand cramps, and end the notion that every single thing that happened post-2006 was inherently a bad thing with absolutely no benefit to the players.
Yeah, definitely prefer the GE to waiting around on zybez to get the item you wanted.
@@dungeonelf but the Unid scam was so profitable :( 🤣
Pre zybez merching was so profitable even with zybez it was but for me at least I'd have to travel to catherby to buy fish and varrock to sell them lol
Disagree completely, best time of RS was surely 2008 HD, and post that as u said
@@Kindreddit Ooh yeah, I had slots in the bank to identify them without having to clean them, so I made a ton out of this in the beginning! When someone sold 11 stacks for example, I'd also bring noted 11 stacks, one of them being ranarrs and the rest of the inventory full of random items.. So if someone didn't have ranarrs in their stack the trade wouldn't accept.
I played back then, I think the general idea was to not have a central place for trading like the GE. The trading post was supposed to be like the GE but in every bank. This would make the map more active with players at most of the banks in the game rather than most of them hanging out at the GE in varrock. It was a good idea but it didn't play out right. We just got the ultra budget GE trading post.
That makes sense, but before the GE and trading posts it was kind of worse. Instead of having the GE be a location in Varrock on every server, there were instead a few servers where everyone would group up in Falador and Varrock to sell. The few times someone tried to sell wares outside of trade servers they'd usually go ignored by the ten or twenty people that are there to do something unrelated... so the seller would give up and go back to an always-packed trade server. Sometimes even that wouldn't work, simply because people that wanted what you were selling couldn't see your trade offers or happened to be on another trade server/site.
The only way around it was to either rely on a third party merching site or repeatedly bump your market forum post alongside a million other people, hoping you can stay on the 50-page listing long enough to find someone willing to trade.
Yea I remember that kinda being the sentiment too, because at this point in time the ones of us that hated the GE from standard runescape, didn't wanna see the same shit happen, although it was basically happening with only 3 real Hotspots for trading anyways, and zybes was the only way to combat standing and yelling for days. But I definitely would've liked the split between banks idea(like how we can collect anywhere) more than the GE. The ge blew up on release and I mean now I'd honestly say even witb the 20~ players per world usually standing there, it's still pretty dead as a player hotspot, most people seem to only try being at the GE for the minimum time it takes to setup trades, and collect from banks, and I don't blame anyone, since most of the people at the ge at any given time are strictly scammers and their bots.
And with that being said, having recently logged back into standard runescape, the GE there still holds more players as a Hotspot than it does on osrs, and boy is it annoying to do business there lmao
I really liked trading in fally park and interacting with everyone. Having buy and sell wars lol
Nice. Private servers do the trading post method and it works way better. RS3 also has multiple GEs. I was in Menaphone and there was one there at the bank.
You forgot the fact that when the GE came out, there was a trade limit of 5000gp to 30000 gp value. Meaning you couldn't build your pures and had to trade something of equal value. In return.
That was Rs2's GE introduced because of trade limits.
The polling system almost made me quit the game several times the community is so anal about anything and everything. But in the end the game is still better then RS3 to me. Idk where I’d be without the grand exchange.
you'd be in Iron man mode
Yeah its almost like “design by committee” is a bad thing, and direct democracy is that but times the number of voters. The game will never have more them marginal improvements if everything has to be agreed on by 60% of the player base.
Preaching to the choir though lol
As a casual fan of OSRS and someone that played RS2 back in the day, it's so bizarre to me seeing this community vehemently against adding anything to this damn game. I understand nostalgia, but how long can you keep playing the same game with no changes?
Well, if they wanted updates, why wouldn't they just play RS3? OSRS was initially made just for people who didn't like updates in RS3. That's why so many OSRS players didn't want updates - that was the whole promise of OSRS.
OSRS only got a different philosophy when it started dying like RSC, and it had to be turned into something else. Like, yeah, updates, but only with a really weird, inconsistent, and kinda rigged voting system, and with keeping some things purposefully crappy while trying to improve other things but only in a way that doesn't remind people about RS3 except for sometimes.
Man, the whole OSRS thing is strange. I feel like it may be mostly held together by nostalgic diehards and bots sometimes.
That’s why OSRS almost died. I’ve said this multiple times, but it’s still true: Jagex had every opportunity near the beginning of OSRS to say something like, “Oh, you’re tired and bored of the game you begged us for? The “nostalgia” factor has worn off? Player counts are dropping like flies (and bad stocks)? Well, I hate to say it, but…WE TOLD YOU SO!” followed by them shutting down OSRS for good and then all we’d have is RS3. But, they decided not to, and everyone is all the more thankful for it. Lol. Sure, the numbers are decent now, but near the beginning, player counts for OSRS dropped to near disastrous levels, and the game was definitely on life support, so yeah…change was absolutely necessary.
Stackable clue scrolls and toolbelt plox
Forever
They change the wrong things almost all the time.
Because I've been playing since 2004, I was very well versed in pre GE trading. It was a nice bit of nostalgia to do it again when osrs came again, but it was annoying once the nostalgia wore off. I'm happy the GE was introduced back into osrs when it was, as it's a whole lot more convenient and secure. I 100% have used an autotyper for it's convenience, and because my wrists didn't sting afterwards. 100% one of the best updates for the game overall.
Basically why Jagex assumed old school would die within 6 months of it's release.
@@aarons6935 You're probably right ngl.
well versed. mate it wasn’t rocket science lmfao
Can we all just accept that not every update that lead to RS3 was bad? I love OSRS as much as anyone else, I love the nostalgia, but nostalgia is stagnant, it's quite literally stuck in the past. The game NEEDS updates to survive. Yes, RS3 made a lot of mistakes but it's a thriving frequently updated game for a reason. Let OSRS thrive in it's own way.
As someone who primarily plays RS3 and was an OSRS Enjoyer for about 8 months, I honestly do worry about the future of OSRS sometimes. The hardcore playerbase has such a death-grip on the status quo that it takes so much effort for Jagex to convince the players to let them implement anything particularly new or exciting into the game.
At least, that's my impression looking in from the outside.
I just want summoning!!
Players rejected the GE for reasons that have nothing to do with RS3.
The GE has always been a divisive point in the player base and the team ultimately solved the issue by making Ironman mode. I and many other have and never will accept the GE and the effect it has on the game, preferring to play without it.
I've been playing RS since I was 11 years old, I want to see this game grow and be amazing in it's own right.
@@TheFlyingslug wow has the same issues currently. Almost all end game content is based around the highest tier hardcore raider which basically makes casuals feel like their wasting time.
I remember I thought my negotiation skills were 🔥FIRE🔥 at 10 years old.
200k for a rune set.
How bout 175k and 100 lobs?
Same
Buying Zammy plate 1.5m
Selling Zammy plate 1.8m
can we trick people into voting for a new skill?
Yeah, create sailing but do it so awful that people vote for dungeoneering.
@@s.vanheijnsbergen9644 let's just make a new poll for a quest and not mention that it has a sailing requirement
The photoshopped auction house picture (the actual ones not the things you found first) has a feature I’ve wanted in the GE forever: the ability to see open offers and depth of book information. The current price check mechanism isn’t good, even without the new tax.
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I loved the old trading system… when we were naive kids. I started in 2005, and stopped training at 73 cb when I discovered flipping. We just called it merching back then. You were providing the convenience of having the items high level wealthy players wanted for a cost. It was great. Rich pkers/stakers would pay close to double on the forums if you had 99 prayer worth of d bones they could instantly buy. All I did all day every day was merch until I could afford a purple p hat (80m back then).
With all that nostalgia in mind osrs still needed the ge to survive. We’re all grown now and don’t have the time/patience. Plus the merch bots… roll all those problems together and it makes sense.
I remember at one point in time you could find santa hats for sale for 50k in some locations, then turn around and sell them for 100k in others. I know I did that multiple times. Kind of painful to think how many I could have had if I just bought them all and kept them instead lol..
felt like i just read my life story minus actually buying the purp phat for 80m although i did consider it, i chose to keep my cash stack that i worked hard for lol
I hated merching back then also, but my first million was getting an army of f2p players to mine rune essence (before pure essence was a thing), while I flipped the large quantities on the forums lol
I don't miss the lack of convenience during the pre- GE days, but I do feel a bit of soul left the game when it was added all those years back. Back in 2004-2006, you could always find lots of people in all the cities (I remember seeing Seer's PACKED on some worlds), and I never understood why there couldn't be a grand exchange agent in every city with a bank. Maybe they felt it would be too convenient, but I do miss those days where every bank potentially had a ton of people.
Except Yanille. No one hung out in Yanille.
Half of this problem could be fixed by condensing the amount of worlds we have... each server can hold bloomin 2000 people yet there's less than 500 people in 99% of them. If we at least halved the amount of worlds, you'd actually be playing with other people again, having to deal with both the conveniences and inconveniences that such an environment creates. Imo, this would be great, but they don't seem to think about this possibility at all.
@@I_Crit_My_Pants Yeah, I could see that helping. There's been enough expansion with dungeons and training spots in the game that, while you'd have competition for mobs in some areas, at least you'd be seeing more people.
WoW had a similar issue that they tried to solve with server sharing and cross-server interactions, and while I know a vocal amount of people disliked it, I wound up interacting with way more people because of it.
What about you keep the GE system but accessable as some kind of post-office in some of the main banks in Runescape. Instead of one single hub on the map.
The irony is that likely would have been the end goal of trading posts, though if RS3 is anything to go off of, having more GEs doesn't really spread people out. Menaphos for example has one that you gain access to fairly easily and it's a ghost town for the most part. Real shame because the city is rather nice. Or I suppose I've never really seen anyone else in the city and it's where I base myself out of because it's out of the way and no one comes here.(Yes I play RS3 I just prefer it even though I started all the way back in 2007, but I also tend to be F2P and OSRS doesn't really have much to do in F2P compared to RS3.)
I couldn't imagine RuneScape without the GE. Thank God it's in the game.
Try out an ironman sometime. It changes the way you interact with the game on a fundamental level and you may find you like it. I personally found myself getting far more out of the game when recipe for disaster involved trekking all over Gielenor rather than a trip to the GE. Different strokes for different folks though and the way of playing the game that brings you the most enjoyment is the best way to play
@@stephenchurch1784 wow now u spend gp on npcs instead of other players, such a difference.
A good example of players not knowing what they want yet still being irrationally vocal. I'm certain Jagex is aware of their playerbase and planned this entire sequence to play out the way it did.
We knew what we wanted I voted against it and still don't like the GE.
I think the issue is that in the beginning many people, myself included were very nostalgic for 2007scape and didn't want it to change too much. I'm almost as nostalgic about old school in 2013 as I was about 2004-2007 back in 2013. It was fun for that brief time when everything was rare, there were no whips in the game yet and everyone was a noob. Skilling could make you bank and we all were racing to level up and be the first to make specific items and get rare drops. But as with anything time doesn't stand still and quickly that period ended and the game had to evolve. Now it's at the point where it's hard for me to pick up again because so much has changed and there's lots of very weird content that feels like a private server.
@@nutyyyy yeah this sums up my feelings I have zero interest going back but that moment was nice, to be able to interact with others instead of mindlessly standing at the GE like zombies was fun.
I'm proud that Ivoted against it iddo it again just to get a extra couple of years without a GE. It was inevitable.
back then I didn't realize there was a logout button so I would often x log in hostile areas and thought logging in in lumby with only my 3 best items was how the game worked. I was like 8
Time is the most valuable thing, thankyou for the GE jagex. Make world 2 with no GE for the other clowns if they wanna be billboards
Time is the most valuable thing to YOU.
Only because you are going to die
Time is fake. Exist free eternally
The ge is both a blessing and a curse. I remember way back before EoC i worked my way up the ranks in a runecrafting company. I loved working in player corps and seeing the community make things like that. I do though enjoy the sheer easiness of throwing my nature runes now on the GE rather than posting on the forums and refreshing hoping to sell though
I feel like there are ways to find a happy middle ground, like taxing certain or all goods on the GE like 25% to incentivize manual econmy while leaving a fallback option if someone really needs something and cant find a seller
When I was a kid playing back in 04, my main gig was flipping feathers.
Buy them all up in the free worlds for 2gp each, and I knew that I could sell them in the main free world for 4-10gp each, because it was frequently visited by members who needed them for fletching.
You didn't just bank stand... you could look on the forums, its how most people price checked
Damn you really went out of your way to not pay any attention at all, hey?
Shout out early runescape for my typing speed, it's absolutely not helped me at all in my personal life as a truck driver.
cyan:wave:selling rune scim 25k rune 2h 50k
I’m positive I learned monopoly and IRL business negotiations from this game. Falador park and west v bank. I think that’s why I have the job I have irl now
Here's a trick for you. Take a 1 month break from RuneScape and come back. See what good updates are coming after. I quit for a month rs3 and now they are having Zamorak as a final boss elite dungeon and reviving the wilderness lol and fixing death costs when these things were not fixed for over 8 years.
Interesting video, but I arrive at a completely different standpoint. The players were indecisive, and Jagex kept trying to offer solutions that could potentially pass polls. The players played themselves.
I think even if the trading posts never existed, the grand exchange would. Just look at all the other things that players didn't find old school, such as GWD, Nex, ported quests. They were all voted in quite unequivocally.
All my homies love the GE.
Old trading sucks in every way imaginable except nostalgia.
THANK GOD we had chads Jmods playing 4D chess at the helm.
Oh God I wonder if that photoshopped girl was a Jagex employee back in the day and one of her coworkers was pervin out wtf
i think this is a great example of the players not actually knowing that they want something. and need to be shown it was the best path forward...
In game design people get taught about the(likely oversimplified) history of chunky pasta sauce. To simplify farther because to type the whole thing out would go over UA-cam's character limit, the main pasta sauce makers would poll people on what they wanted from their pasta sauces, and every time they would ask in this poll about if the customers wanted chunky pasta sauce, and every time the polls showed they didn't want it. After some time they decided to do a test, and offered free samples of various pasta sauces one of these happened to be a chunky pasta sauce, and overwhelmingly people loved the chunky pasta sauce. Thus showing that the people didn't know what they wanted until they had it.
This is taught because the same idea applies to video games, the customer doesn't know what they want until they have it. The GE is a prime example of that, people didn't realize just how much they liked the GE until they didn't have it, and were forced to go back to the old style of trading. Even then they desperately clung to the idea that their system was somehow better because it had been so long they had forgotten how nice the GE is. Then Jagex gave it to them and the majority loved it.
Never understood why people didn’t want the GE, who wants to waste their time to sell or buy items like that, and especially less valuable or more junk stuff would just take forever and not be worth to get rid of
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug
Proof why, most of the players just really hate qol update until they forced to love it.
Throwback to getting scammed out of 3k when trying to buy a rune longsword. Dude swapped it out for an iron longsword :(
Haha
Just check the trade lmfao
I cannot believe that the GE was something so controversial.
The polling system needs to go lmao
No GE forced me to make all the items I needed for anything I wanted to do. Helped me to learn all the skills I never wanted to touch and finally max my account. I started playing when I was 14 I'm 31 now. I remember standing around typing my ass off. It's also where I learned how to type so I'm thankful for that. My moms was pissed though, she would hear me "tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap" and asked me what the hell I was doing in the middle of the night (Computer was in her room) I went as far as to tell her that I was selling drugs on the internet because I couldn't tell her I was spending ours trying to get the perfect price on some rune items I wanted to flip for in game currency. Shit was nutsssss I have fond memories of the old way of playing but fuckkkk all that...
I truly miss world 2 Falador park trading.
Zybez is how i made my first few millions in a few weeks. Sold quest "kits". Would collect all the needed items for common quests and sell it as a pack. Then had the choice of paying 200-500k or spend 1-2 hours collecting everything yourself. Was an awesome method not many got into it seems.
Yo my man, this was me too! And cowhide from the lumbridge noobs and selling in varrock!
ge is much better than the game without it. We have enough bots spamming and jagex is fricken worthless about stopping the scams lures and phishing bots. Been playing since 04 and I hate the spam. It is so impossible to find what you want into the mess.
Agreed, I wish Jagex would take spam removal more seriously.
the people who never wanted the ge in percentage were 20% kids with tons of time on their hands unlike adults, 5% people who actually liked it and finally 75% people who thought they liked it due to nostalgia but either due to being an adult or the hate of wasting time changed their thoughts on it once it actually released and noticed how much more fun the game is without sitting in a dirty bank saying "please buy my iron bars sir i wanna go back to slayer its been 6 hours"
or people who knew how forums worked and unlike you, the larper, actually had a life so making a forum post then having a life for a week until a buyer DM's you and setups a date for trade was never a problem.
The people who instasell/instabuy on ge are the nolifers and bots.
I preferred the game before GE. Game was way more fun imo, the market was active and their was reason bargain and trade. Way more fun for me. Now I play an iron cause it’s the closest I can get to pre-ge but can’t trade or bargain. I guess the youngins just don’t have the nostalgia for why it was so fun. Or some people just aren’t interested in that style of play.
For those saying “stand around and type” the whole game of osrs is very much standing around or clicking here and there… it’s a simple game, not a lot goes on and you’re grinding for something almost all the time, sometimes with no progress being made. So it makes sense for people to enjoy pre-ge in a game like this.
one of the biggest things i liked about the original selling system was that even if you weren't super rich you could still manipulate the market by yourself. only 2000 players could join world 1 or 2 so you didnt have to compete with everyone who was trying to sell the same item as you. instead i would just buy out the 5 other people selling the same thing as me in fally park and increase the price accordingly haha. now you need an army of guys to manipulate the market hahaha
To me people that prefer the old system either have nostalgia on their heads instead of a brain or are people that liked scamming others because i can't see someone with a functional brain think that the old system was good. There is a way to make trading exist without a auction system and it's called a open shop system but this in the end make you waste real life energy letting your computer open selling stuff.
same to those who oppose eoc
rs3 combat is just so much better
@@fish3977 EoC completely changed the game that everyone loved. Nobody asked for it except for WoW fanboys who thought that a game was shit if you cant spam number key abilities.
Osrs and pre-EoC combat mechanics are unique and charming, whilst EoC is the same shit as every other MMO.
Appreciating the GE being implemented does not give you free reign to talk about EoC like it deserves the same merit.
GE just makes buying/selling more convenient, EoC completely changes the combat on the game, i don't think these can be compared but i am no EoC hater, if the only problem i had with rs3 was the EoC i would still be on it
The comment section is still posed with so many people complaining about the GE lol
The GE solved the issues that plagued the old way of trading and get people bitch about it just to bitch.
Reason like “it ruined social chatting” doesn’t fly, people barely did more than spam or trade back in the day. I’ve seen far more social chatting at the GE than anywhere else.
Among all other dumb reasons as to why the GE was “bad”.
It’s just common and popular to hate on it, and not realizing that something is good and yet still comparing about it, because humans be humans we are very dumb creatures in a group.
I guarantee the trading post did exactly what they wanted it to. Prove how stupid people were being and get enough to poll the GE in. Purists seriously damage and ruin OSRS today. They always reject interesting content like new skills or needed skill reworks for the sake of muh nostalgia. Cringe.
It's already a hell to trade items over max cash on RS3, thank god the GE came into OSRS.
jagex didn't have to trick me into liking the ge i was always for it nothing worse then trying to do a quest back in like 2005 hopping to world 1 or 2 and sitting there spamming same msg for an hour for 1 item just to do a 20 minute terrible run from point A to point B quest.
Smh I remember when i got scammed for 60m back then , i was trying to buy bandos tassys and chest , i went to accept trade trade and fckn dude took the money out last second lol , I think i got scammed a total of 2x , i'm glad the Ge exists, so i dont have to deal with people ,
That listing to show off issue is still prevalent in the pokemon home trading
Every man and his dog asking for impossible shinies or legendaries just to flex
I guess you give people a chance to flex and there’s gonna be some who do
I played Runescape in the 2003-2010 era, so before and after the grand exchange, and I have to say the Grand Exchange is amazing. It's the best way to trade Runescape will ever have. The long hours of constant typing and searching for buyers before the GE existed were beyond brutal. I came back when Old School launched and wanted the GE so bad.
The people who didn't want the GE in Old School were just full of nostalgia and nothing else. There was no reason to go back to that super old school trade system for no other reason than that. It sucked in Old School just like it did back in 2013. The horrible trade system would have only pleased boomer era players like myself that wanted it, and Old School Runescape would have never grown in player counts. Gamers from 2013- modern times were/are way too lazy and impatient for and old ass trade system like back in 2003. I believe the GE has done a lot to help the game grow.
Also, at the end of the day 2007 GE was already old school in 2013 when OSRS launched anyways.
Oh man.. we are so blessed at how far runescape has come today.. almost didn’t make it lmao
You can be so antisocial these days if you want lol. No need to interact with those strange "randos" if you don't want to besides Arrav and Heroes Quest.
The only reason GE passed the poll back then was because of Sparc Mac. If you know, you know.
This is a perfect example to show that a lot of OSRS players just straight up lie when they say they do or don't like something. The weird posturing for a nostalgia they don't even prefer is just so bizarre to me.
followed that link with the wayback machine... interesting stuff archived in there to say the least
Honestly i would rather trade the old way then thru ge... It feels like players had more controll in a way.
Varrock West Bank was how I learned to type as a kid
Haha I still remember when people were trading noted rock hammers as granite mauls back when those first came out. Good times.
What I don't understand is why does Jagex need a 75% approval rate for things to go through? Shouldn't it being like 60%and above be enough
They want a majority of players to like the update and want it.
@@Rrezz Majority can literally be 50.000001/49.99999%
yea its a serious mistake to require 75% approval. its hurting the game
Super majority is better than a simple majority in some cases. Like this.
@@DaemonRayge it made no impact on this situation at all
im conviced most of the playerbase doesnt actually know what they want
i learned to type without looking at the keyboard trying to sell items back in the day
True OGs remember that seers bank was the 3rd spot back up when the others were overloaded.
Gif my first Abby Whip there for 3.2Mil.
Still though, the GE was one of the best updates for the game.
I do wish they made a mode like iron man where you just can't trade on the exchange. So you would just be able to play the old way with others who also play that same mode, and not be able to trade those who can use the exchange.
Why lol
I hope they remove voting System. 90% of OSRS players are crybabies
They never vote for F2P updates with good xp rates because of all the shitty challenge accounts they have. They don't care about the F2P player experience.
I'm definitely in the camp of hating the GE.
I think it's a big part of why pretty much all socialization I've seen these days is F2P.
Experienced players don't seem to talk to anyone outside their clan chats. It sucks.
True, socialization has definitely fallen off a cliff in OSRS.
Funny. They only people that complain about the social aspect are usually the worst at it. I have no problem to socialise in or out of the game. Everywhere I go, I make acquaintances and friends. Yet, once in a while, I meet people like you. You think that nobody wants to socialise anymore. If the world around you always react the same towards you, look inward. You're the common thing, you're the problem, not the other way around.
@@La_Verge "No U" is a really shit argument.
I'm glad your anecdotal experience is great. Good for you.
Dunno why that requires trashing on others. Nor do I see why you expect me to have much faith in your social capabilities, when you seem to lack basic common decency.
I couldn't imagine playing OSRS without Trading post, it would be like playing WoW without an Auction House.
I love the grand exchange
Sal's auto typer
garyhood was a legend
Okay so what I think is funny. Is back when this came out and I realized the GE wasn’t in the game. I did not continue playing due to the fact that you mentioned. I didn’t have time as an adult to sell or buy anything with the old style. Fast forward x amount of years and all I do is play a hard core Ironman. lol what’s a GE?
Ok so you're wrong about why they wouldn't poll the Grand Exchange and its because they PROMMISED at launch that they're never bring the GE, GWD, or Dragon Claws. Look how that turned out....
Pre ge in rs2 I didn't realize i wanted something like the ge... It just seemed normal to have to search to buy something... Then once osrs came out i was so used to having the ge to buy anything right away it really sucked not having it in oldschool.. I get why it wasnt wanted, but im just too lazy to do trading like we used to haha.
Dont play anymore but when i was a kid in 05 i downloaded an auto typer and literally like an hour later got hacked lmao. learned a valueable lesson on downloading shit. the g e sucks it ruined such a social/skill level to the game. everytime is too concerned with no wasting xp. back then only a select few played for xp while the rest enjoyed the game for A GAME.
Bring back summoning
Puush reuses random hashes for images, creating collisions for "dead" images as they're freed up. Essentially, nobody had anything to do with those old images.
I know this video is old, but this is exactly why I've always been 100% in favor of lowering the 75% threshold to 65% or even 60% cause back then a lot of players were freaking purists who prevented a lot of good shit to come into the game. Nowadays it seems that crowd calmed down a bit, but holy crap they were loud. Probably still are in some places.
The GE not existing because of old heads being stubborn when ironman and ultimate ironman exists and you can be stubborn on there is wild to me. Played primarily in 2005 all the way until the dungueoneering skill was introduced (hated that skill, summoning too) but the GE not existing today just seems like a false difficulty spike from the old heads for no reason. Still not a fan of the 1% tax on all transactions but given how much new gold is constantly being introduced into the game through killing/high alch/selling etc its not all that surprising. Inflation is no joke.
The trading system before GE made it immersive, wild, raw, and fun. GE is boring... Like its mideval times role playing of course trading was obscured and a job in itself and dangerous of scams, but thats what made it exciting.
The only reason I can type so fast today is because I tried to keep up with, I'm just now learning that this is the case, TYPING BOTS.
I'd like to personally thank the typing bots for giving me the skills to eventually write my college papers at the very last minute.
So far like 4 videos I seen about Polls... All in all.. Get rid of polls. Runescape fanbase is toxic
Think you maybe forget that trading other players does force a bank pin. Maybe dropping the items instead if they are not too expensive worked for hackers. But not expensive items.
8 mins in 6th ad, wtf? Is this normal???
That's odd! The ad structure I use on my videos should on average display around 2 ads per viewer. Sorry to hear you got very unlucky. :(
Blows me away they didnt do something like WoW and the auction house. Just show all the listings of stuff and make it nice and sortable. Even the GE you just buy from invisible players at least the AH in WoW felt like you were buying from people.
Any version of trading not done by yourself is literally a dumbed-down version of the Grand Exchange (GE). Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. Although I'm not sure it would pass, I think it would be much closer to a 50-50 chance, maybe 40-60 chance to pass rather than a resounding 20% (or less) that people think it would have been.
There are 2 key things to keep in mind.
(1) Not everyone speaks their mind aloud. Even if people are saying they hate the GE, they may just be joining "the crowd" verbally to not be "different". It's typically a minority of people who are screaming out loud and the majority of players would be just playing the game. If you've seen the "Denpa Kyoushi (Otaku Teacher)" anime, the teacher's confrontation with the Gamer King is a perfect example of "the best known gamer" not actually being the best and this can be applied to this topic of people either not having time to speak out or not caring either way.
(2) The ugly truth is that the moment a SINGLE thing changed since the release of osrs, it immediately ceased to be 07scape. This means if the original release of osrs had a bug where people could dupe items and it was patched, it would literally cease to be the nostalgic 07scape. Given that not only had patches come but updates as well, even when they were polled, it was no longer the game they were nostalgic over.
Although people are heavily averse to the Evolution of Combat, the simplicity and ease of the GE exceeds all bad feelings the EoC could provide. Between autotypers+autochat+unofficial website+in-game trading and the GE, I don't believe many would be opposed to the idea. Let's not forget that plenty of the players had enjoyed the luxury of the GE before they returned to osrs so the return of the "Hell" of sitting in Falador/Varrock and trying to trade would make them scream internally for the GE.
As an extended analogy, imagine the era of history before the toilet (and toilet paper was invented). Say you wanted to return to the previous era where life was good but you overlooked that there were no toilets-would you still want "toilets not to be invented in your lifetime" or would you try and get them implemented? Don't forget, the "Gods" (Jagex) also mentioned they would be willing to implement those toilets. Would your nostalgia for the era be enough to overcome your desire for the luxury of a toilet (GE)? NAY. The luxury of the GE is equivalent to the luxury of a toilet and anyone who would vote against it is either stupid or someone who wants to scam other people.
I'll do you one better and say that 07scape is too late to be nostalgic about since its a massively dumbed down version of Runescape2. Take the game back to before make-x when you had to left click each fish and the cooking surface and occasionally eat what you cook or there's nothing to be nostalgic about!!!! Bring back that arthritic cooking and I'll concede it deserves to be called NOSTALGIC Oldschool Runescape. LOL
It is so crazy that you mentioned the saradomin brew/strength potion scam. I lost like 800 mill 07 on that exact scam like a three weeks into the original world 45 deadman mode, when it was peak dmm. I never actually played any of them, I just swap for a little bit gold and then merch in the deadman mode worlds because it’s so easy. I haven’t played any of the recent seasons, but I used to buy climbing boots by the tens of thousands for literally 100 GP, and then sell them for 22K. It was the most money I have ever made in RuneScape, I swapped every time I got 1m + dmm. I was making like 450 million 07 a day. My largest profit all together was from sara brews. I also did this with other potions, like prayer, restore, super attack and strength, sanfew serums, etc., but the brews were the best. I used some of my profit to train four accounts to max herb, I bought all the vials, herbs, secondaries, etc., for less than 1k a brew and sold them for like 50k-200k each depending on how long the server had been live.
Thing is if players were against the ge being around they could have just not used it. Didn't have to force players who were ok with it to trade the old way.
I remember sitting at West bank spamming down "flash2:wave: selling 100k steel bars 500 gp ea - lovsaphira9" over and over, prepping up the next one to hit enter as soon as my text disappeared from over my head.
I didn't get scammed during that time since my friend a year prior got scammed 100k for a "saradomin sword" where they quick swapped it to a steel 2h (on RS3).
When the trading post was added, it was an okay solution, basically took zybez and put it into the game as a temporary solution. To be honest, I only used the trading post like 3 times to buy things such as rune armor.
I wouldn't mind if the grand exchange was more personal, like "you bought x amount of items from [user]" or "[user] bought [item] from you"
A big thing i don't like about modern runescape is the disconnect between players, so having more ways to let players connect would improve the game for me
Ok inb4 you didn’t watch the whole bud. Bro I’m at like 5:00 in and I’m wanting to yell at the screen FORUMS that’s how you bought/sold “obscure” or large amount items… and it was magical doing so. You just waiting and bam people in your private msg for the item. Meet in agreed location wham bam done. True oldschool
I miss the trading posts. Those were cool. I made my first few millions on OSRS through my gem business thanks to the trading posts, lol
My idea for a reintroduction for the Trading Post:
You can’t buy or sell on it, but it does the same thing it and zybez did: a place to see what’s being sold and bought with their prices, like a stock ticker, and a small idea I had for it is like the Mojave Express boxes from Fallout New Vegas, where you store a limited amount of items in it to pick up at a different post, or a place to pick up the items you bought on the GE
Could someone more versed with OSRS help me out a bit, and explain to me why the GE as a concept was originally so despised? Like all the bullet points of the "no ge" arguments. From an external point of view (I don't play OSRS) all I can think of is that perhaps the GE in the minds of many was linked to the most unpopular changes done in RS due to RWT issues back in the day like removal of free trade/wilderness removal, and so it causes such a major flashback of disdain that the GE also got coated in it as it came out around the same time partially due to this change happening. That and there is a certain nostalgic charm of trading in banks, though it is a slow process with many many drawbacks and fails.
Though, as I said - This is just my speculation, as I don't play OSRS. The player culture is thus to me completely foreign as an end result, so perhaps someone here can give me a bit of insight into things, so I do understand this all a bit more.
What this video tells me is that us Osrs players often create our own problems
Before the GE RS was so different. The GE made the quality of life much easier especially for players like me who could only play as F2P as a kid. Pre GE, the game was so much more interactive because we relied on our fellow players for everything to trade and sell to
i still remember buying a white phat for like 2m in the first week of osrs, ah the good old days
"Why was this inefficient, time-consuming and downright exhausting system so popular?" I'm not sure if you and I play the same OSRS...
Selling items on runescape the old fashioned way gave me a life skill: I can type over 80 words per minute without even looking at the keyboard, all because I was in varrock for hours typing "Selling dragon hides 2k each" repeatedly. lol
old way of trading: Nostalgic, more personal, more immersive - but also zero safety
new trading system: efficient, effective, saves time - lots of safety
at a certain point people have to take trade offs just like in real life. You trade freedom for safety, you trade profit/time for speed, ect. The grand exchange did not ruin runescape
People are older now, we have jobs, families, ect.
The idea of seeing who is selling something at said price and in said amounts, like every other MMO. The GE is just broken items say they sell for certain prices but never buys or sells at what the price jagex says it should be.