@@HolbrookStark the duck should be able only to move diagonally, horizontally or like a horsey - duckey - that would make it the most flexible piece and still shared an invincible :) i also wanted to capture it anytime :)
@@MatsMatsuo Yeah knights are way better in this mode especially on defense, since the duck can't undermine their control of squares. Rooks are actually super nerfed too because they typically utilize long line-of-sight to coordinate with other pieces. Interception duck tactics seem ultra frequent.
I wonder if duck chess would be more balanced if the duck became available only on black's first move. So white gets the first move but black gets first duck.
Makes super sense, if we assume white has the advantage of the first move, black can then start blocking white's best moves and maybe force an opening.
This is exactly what I was thinking. We know white has an insignificant advantage in normal chess since they have the first turn but I think their advantage in duck desk is more significant since they can do their regular opening with no restriction and completely deny black from doing their regular opening. My idea was that black starts the game by moving the duck and then white can start as normal but your idea could work too. I prefer my idea though as giving black the first full turn can flip the game in their favor whereas allowing black to position the duck at the start means that both sides are restricted by the duck equally.
@@connorObye Having it start with a half-turn/a duck-only turn for black makes sense. I think I like OP's version slightly better though because then each side gets precisely one unhampered move before the duck starts blocking things, which I feel like would enhance development effectiveness for the game & make things a little more interesting early on in terms of both available moves & available creative duck spots. Plus narratively I just kinda like the duck starting at some point after regular moves begin instead of being there up front, because then it's like a normal chess game began & then some omnipotent duck just wandered onto the battlefield & everyone suddenly found themselves simply accommodating it ... like that one story of whichever president's cat lying sprawled in the middle of a hallway & a bunch of diplomats & leaders there for dinner found themselves politely inclining heads to the cat & stepping to either side of it haha. Lol something about the duck arriving after a normal chess move feels poetically perfect that way
This has got to be my favorite chess variant. it's so simple, yet it completely alters the game while still being fair. such an interesting mutation on normal chess.
@@danielyuan9862 That wouldn't change much, since white can still play almost any opening since there is nothing to respond to before white moves. White should just be unable to place the duck on their first move so black can respond with their first move to white's opening before white can block
@@Sinzari That may be so, but not all openings are created equal. While I do agree that 1. e4 and 2. d4 openings tend to devolve into similar blockfests by the virtue of de6/dd6 and ...dd3/...de3, in my (admittedly very modest) experience with duck chess, the side that can successfully develop at least one of its Bishops 3+ squares from its starting position is going to end up with a sizeable advantage. Therefore, I don't see putting the duck on the board from White's 2nd move onwards as a good idea balance-wise. Now, if we're talking about doing it from the *3rd* move onwards, that might lead to more diverse openings and more open games in general, as both sides would have equal chances to develop at least one Bishop to an important non-long diagonal. Or maybe it would be best if *Black* would put the duck on the board initially, either on the 1st move or on the 2nd? That way, the advantage of White having the first-move advantage would be offset by having one possibility taken away.
I find Duck Chess very instructive. 1. You still get to see Eric develop his pieces at a high level. 2. You also get to see Eric block the opponent's best moves.
*here from the future year 2045* Eric Rosen doesn’t know it yet but he is our Paul morphy. This truly is the beginning of duck chess literature, beautiful.
@@Lbqrom addicting has never been a word, and dont come at me about the dictionary bro, they'll change anything for complete mentally handicapped degenerates.
Yep, its very strong, the only range for a piece to be effective is only 2 squares away usually, whereas 1-range square pieces like pawn and knight are always very effective.
I am new to duck chess, but I feel like you can make more advantage if you use the duck to prepare an attack. For example, at 9:58 you could technically move the queen to a square that is covered by the bishop but then use the duck to block the bishop. So the opponent has to move the bishop in the next move, because the duck will move as well. I feel this changes a bit the way the pieces function. Covering certain squares might not be as valuable anymore, because you can just use the duck to block this covering to then unleash your attack, which makes the queen the most important piece since she can attack anywhere AND she doesn't have to be as careful to be captured when lining up the attack because the duck covers for her.
I'm not even positive how else to share this with you, Eric- I'm a simple man who watches UA-cam only, but here we go. I had an idea about a fun twist on chess that I haven't seen before and I'd love to experience it and more to watch you play and add your sensational commentary to. If it exists already, I'm obviously not aware and would love to see what I call either Zombie Chess or Double Tap Chess. It's a standard setup with the only caveat being that the pawns and/or pieces have to be taken twice (other than the king, of course). Once something is taken, it's on its second life and will reappear after the piece that captured it moves to a new square. In the event of multiple captures on the same square, the piece captured first would reappear after the second captured piece is moved. That's all I have and hopefully this gets noticed. Either way, thanks for all the entertainment through the years (so far) and I love the awesome ONMQ shirt my wife got me!
Yay, looks like he saw your comment! :) I hope he gets to playtest your idea, I think it sounds awesome! (PSA just in case: be sure not to edit your OP now or it'll remove the heart)
@@ItsAsparageese Thanks for the feedback and info! I'd absolutely love it if he had a chance to as well, of course. I was since told that Zombie Chess is a different iteration of chess and is taken as a name, but Double Tap Chess seems not to have been used. I just hope to see it in action!
This actually gives me an idea for a tournament. Idea is based on the poker game HORSE, where the game changes as play goes on. Tournament features 5 or so variants, 3 are played each round. Each player picks a variant to remove for their games thst round, no removing the same variant 2 rounds in a row
Ambient duck noises just made this 10x better and it already was good. Background sound is a straight up plus for these streams, and no one else does it!
34:10 I feel it is relevant to mention that lowering the volume of one track (i.e. the background duck video) so it doesn't drown out another (i.e. Eric talking) is actually called ducking in audio engineering.
I had just finished watching the first duck chess video, and when it ended I wished there were more. Lo and behold, this video shows up in my home page. Today is a good day.
the game really does change by a huge amount with the duck in play, especially at 41:21 whenever the duck being on the board means that you dont have to take en passant
Eric still beats everyone in a variant where basically no theory is known and everyone including himself is discovering it. His normal chess knowledge probably still does help but I think it shows how clever and quick-witted he just naturally is compared to most people
if a move is played but the duck hasnt been moved yet, the move can actually be taken back by clicking the arrow next to the yellow duck sign on the bottom
I really like duck chess and I want to see the game database for this. I want duck chess theory. I think this interests me as a game more than normal chess does
"This opening... I'm kind of just winging it" Never change, Eric. Unless you want to. Like changing your shoes for duck slippers. That's a good change. Unless you don't want to.
This is so confusing because your normal chess logic gives you the wrong answer. Basically pieces are never defended unless they are defended by knights, pawns, or direct contact. Which also means that maybe knights are better than rooks in this game.
We don't have a duck at the school where I teach, but an oversized, red, ceramic pawn does a nice job as an understudy. Kids that felt less skilled and less interested in standard chess have taken a liking to starting a new game on a level playing field with the kids of greater traditional chess skill and experience. Call it differentiated instruction.
This is really cool to hear! I think that may be a big part of why it's taking off so much among fans, too. It's super encouraging to watch a highly regarded champion of this game fumble through a new variant and learn theory for us all as he goes, haha. It does indeed feel like a more even playing field than chess usually is.
20:40 that opening is a blunder, you could have put the bishop next to the pawn in front of their bishop and blocked their pawn and from blocking and bishop from taking. Winning a bishop, they can save the rook by moving the knight but bishop was lost
Can someone explain at 2:46 why Eric doesn't play Nd3 DuckE2? it's check and the knight is defended by the queen, duck blocks the bishop, I feel like the king would have to go to d2 and there would be discovered check options
Underrated comment. Duckzwang accurately evokes how this variant seems to be extra good for setting traps & just generally forcing the opponent into awkward spots
"There's no engine for this game" I was talking with the guy who maintains "Fairy Stockfish" which is a variant chess engine. He says that the reason duck chess and other multi move variants aren't implemented is because the alternation of moves is an assumption baked into the code of the chess engine itself. That's part of the pruning, for instance, to reduce branches of possibilities
the duck should be able only to move diagonally, horizontally or like a horsey - duckey - that would make it the most flexible piece and still shared an invincible :)
The seriousness with which he says things like “the knight is defended by the duck” or “I forgot about duck f6” will never stop being funny.
His duck video has more views than UFC champions and WhiteHouse channel, in my feed. 😂
100% agreed, I actually laughed out loud multiple times during this ridiculousness!
And the smothered threat of duck h2... 8-D
I love that nobody on the battlefield is willing to attack a duck, or even startle it by trying to walk past
@@HolbrookStark the duck should be able only to move diagonally, horizontally or like a horsey - duckey - that would make it the most flexible piece and still shared an invincible :) i also wanted to capture it anytime :)
We need 960 duck chess. The duck likes chaos. We must feed the duck what it needs
Omg. Yes
this
Exactly this
and maybe also more ducks , one duck alone is too sad
960 fog of war duck chess
Eric out here pioneering Duck chess theory
"1.e4 Duck e6 : Best By Quack "
g3 duck g2 is also good Eric should try it
@@BorisGamingChannel i feel like fianchetto is a waste of time since the bishop is heavily nerfed
@@MatsMatsuo Yeah knights are way better in this mode especially on defense, since the duck can't undermine their control of squares. Rooks are actually super nerfed too because they typically utilize long line-of-sight to coordinate with other pieces. Interception duck tactics seem ultra frequent.
Kinda just winging it.
_"Distant defenses are not that effective, when there is a duck that can block it."_
~Eric Rosen, 10/4/22
*11:33*
this was my favorite line from Pawn Sacrifice
Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Next Agadmator quote I hope
I like the "~". It's as if the quote was _probably_ said by Eric Rosen at _around_ 10/4/22, but some historians may disagree.
Switching to your secondary is always faster than reloading.
I wonder if duck chess would be more balanced if the duck became available only on black's first move. So white gets the first move but black gets first duck.
This is an exciting idea
Makes super sense, if we assume white has the advantage of the first move, black can then start blocking white's best moves and maybe force an opening.
This is exactly what I was thinking. We know white has an insignificant advantage in normal chess since they have the first turn but I think their advantage in duck desk is more significant since they can do their regular opening with no restriction and completely deny black from doing their regular opening. My idea was that black starts the game by moving the duck and then white can start as normal but your idea could work too. I prefer my idea though as giving black the first full turn can flip the game in their favor whereas allowing black to position the duck at the start means that both sides are restricted by the duck equally.
Yes or maybe black can place the duck before the game starts
@@connorObye Having it start with a half-turn/a duck-only turn for black makes sense. I think I like OP's version slightly better though because then each side gets precisely one unhampered move before the duck starts blocking things, which I feel like would enhance development effectiveness for the game & make things a little more interesting early on in terms of both available moves & available creative duck spots.
Plus narratively I just kinda like the duck starting at some point after regular moves begin instead of being there up front, because then it's like a normal chess game began & then some omnipotent duck just wandered onto the battlefield & everyone suddenly found themselves simply accommodating it ... like that one story of whichever president's cat lying sprawled in the middle of a hallway & a bunch of diplomats & leaders there for dinner found themselves politely inclining heads to the cat & stepping to either side of it haha. Lol something about the duck arriving after a normal chess move feels poetically perfect that way
I can't even articulate how happy I am you're playing more of this game
go play the bridge
jk
Lmfao
I wonder if I versed Cheetah unknowingly in duck chess.
cheetahh you're a monster for adding cereal to your milk
It's like this variant was made for Eric, he feels so happy and complete
Please don’t stop playing duck chess.
I don’t like it
The chess duck variant would be hilarious over the board. Imagine moving your piece and then a rubber duck
The only thing missing in this mode is a short "quack" sound when placing the duck
This has got to be my favorite chess variant. it's so simple, yet it completely alters the game while still being fair. such an interesting mutation on normal chess.
I do feel like white has an even bigger advantage than normally because getting to move the duck first is very strong.
@@luukas2660 Maybe black should be able to place the duck before white makes their first move.
@@danielyuan9862 Or after blacks first move
@@danielyuan9862 That wouldn't change much, since white can still play almost any opening since there is nothing to respond to before white moves. White should just be unable to place the duck on their first move so black can respond with their first move to white's opening before white can block
@@Sinzari That may be so, but not all openings are created equal. While I do agree that 1. e4 and 2. d4 openings tend to devolve into similar blockfests by the virtue of de6/dd6 and ...dd3/...de3, in my (admittedly very modest) experience with duck chess, the side that can successfully develop at least one of its Bishops 3+ squares from its starting position is going to end up with a sizeable advantage. Therefore, I don't see putting the duck on the board from White's 2nd move onwards as a good idea balance-wise.
Now, if we're talking about doing it from the *3rd* move onwards, that might lead to more diverse openings and more open games in general, as both sides would have equal chances to develop at least one Bishop to an important non-long diagonal. Or maybe it would be best if *Black* would put the duck on the board initially, either on the 1st move or on the 2nd? That way, the advantage of White having the first-move advantage would be offset by having one possibility taken away.
there needs to be a duck chess championshipp id love to see super serious players like magnus take the duck seriously
It needs to be otb too with a bright yellow duck.
And Ernie from sesame street singing the rubbie duckie song
It should have 960 shuffling too imo
I find Duck Chess very instructive. 1. You still get to see Eric develop his pieces at a high level. 2. You also get to see Eric block the opponent's best moves.
Eric will become the Duck Chess World Champion
*here from the future year 2045* Eric Rosen doesn’t know it yet but he is our Paul morphy. This truly is the beginning of duck chess literature, beautiful.
This game mode really is made for you. Just lovely seeing you play it.
Also quack.
_"Oh yes my duck!"_ [15:42]
I truly love it^^
"oh I blundered a piece!"
"OK, I'm treating it like a gambit"
Words to live by
"The ducks were pretty impressed with the Stafford Gambit." love it
I love this variant. Doesn't feel gimicky and the duck adds its own set of tactics/ counterplays
Definitely has me watching Eric's videos again
Duck Chess is far and away the best variant available right now.
"My queen, why haven't you captured the enemy king yet?"
"I would, my liege, *but there's a duck in the way!"*
18:50 "you always have to keep in mind... the deviousness of the duck"
This game mode is so addicting, it feels like a small simple change, but the way you think about chess really expands
*addictive
@@SNEEDANDBREED *"People with addictive personalities love duck chess. This game mode is very addicting."
@@Lbqrom No. That's not even close to correct.
@@SNEEDANDBREED The dictionary is your friend
@@Lbqrom addicting has never been a word, and dont come at me about the dictionary bro, they'll change anything for complete mentally handicapped degenerates.
The knights gotta have more value in duck chess.
Yep, its very strong, the only range for a piece to be effective is only 2 squares away usually, whereas 1-range square pieces like pawn and knight are always very effective.
I'd been hoping you'd put out some more duck chess content and this is the jackpot :)
Quackpot
I am new to duck chess, but I feel like you can make more advantage if you use the duck to prepare an attack. For example, at 9:58 you could technically move the queen to a square that is covered by the bishop but then use the duck to block the bishop. So the opponent has to move the bishop in the next move, because the duck will move as well. I feel this changes a bit the way the pieces function. Covering certain squares might not be as valuable anymore, because you can just use the duck to block this covering to then unleash your attack, which makes the queen the most important piece since she can attack anywhere AND she doesn't have to be as careful to be captured when lining up the attack because the duck covers for her.
How long before books on Duck Chess theory.
I'm not even positive how else to share this with you, Eric- I'm a simple man who watches UA-cam only, but here we go. I had an idea about a fun twist on chess that I haven't seen before and I'd love to experience it and more to watch you play and add your sensational commentary to. If it exists already, I'm obviously not aware and would love to see what I call either Zombie Chess or Double Tap Chess.
It's a standard setup with the only caveat being that the pawns and/or pieces have to be taken twice (other than the king, of course). Once something is taken, it's on its second life and will reappear after the piece that captured it moves to a new square. In the event of multiple captures on the same square, the piece captured first would reappear after the second captured piece is moved.
That's all I have and hopefully this gets noticed. Either way, thanks for all the entertainment through the years (so far) and I love the awesome ONMQ shirt my wife got me!
Yay, looks like he saw your comment! :) I hope he gets to playtest your idea, I think it sounds awesome!
(PSA just in case: be sure not to edit your OP now or it'll remove the heart)
@@ItsAsparageese Thanks for the feedback and info! I'd absolutely love it if he had a chance to as well, of course. I was since told that Zombie Chess is a different iteration of chess and is taken as a name, but Double Tap Chess seems not to have been used. I just hope to see it in action!
Man, Eric is totally addicted to Duck Chess. To be honest, he's the last UA-camr I expected to develop a quack habit.
seriously underrated comment
One hour of Eric Rosen playing Duck Chess. Now _this_ is the content I didn't know I needed.
"Duck duck oh no my goose"
This actually gives me an idea for a tournament. Idea is based on the poker game HORSE, where the game changes as play goes on. Tournament features 5 or so variants, 3 are played each round. Each player picks a variant to remove for their games thst round, no removing the same variant 2 rounds in a row
Ambient duck noises just made this 10x better and it already was good. Background sound is a straight up plus for these streams, and no one else does it!
My duck chess addiction needed this video.
34:10
I feel it is relevant to mention that lowering the volume of one track (i.e. the background duck video) so it doesn't drown out another (i.e. Eric talking) is actually called ducking in audio engineering.
Having the worst week. This video was a awesome break from it. Thank you.
I had just finished watching the first duck chess video, and when it ended I wished there were more. Lo and behold, this video shows up in my home page. Today is a good day.
Duck chess has one major deficiency. It doesn't allow Eric to say: "Oh no, my duck!".
OH NO, my real chess study...
OH YES, my daily dose of duck chess!
Black should get to position the duck at the start of the game so that white doesn't get a free unrestricted turn at the start.
Duck Chess World Championship 2023: Eric "oh no my duck" Rosen against Magnus "Quacknus" Carlsen
"We have to always keep in mind, the deviousness of the duck" - Eric 2022
the game really does change by a huge amount with the duck in play, especially at 41:21 whenever the duck being on the board means that you dont have to take en passant
I understand why they made it end with a king capture; the way ducks mate is horrific.
Eric still beats everyone in a variant where basically no theory is known and everyone including himself is discovering it. His normal chess knowledge probably still does help but I think it shows how clever and quick-witted he just naturally is compared to most people
"I put the duck on h1 to force my opponent to have to move their mouse further." Brutal
This is more addictive than normal chess and I don't know why. I think I'm thoroughly ducked.
Theoretically, Bird’s Opening should be optimal.
*New* duck-chess rule idea: black gets to place the duck before move 1
52:45 9...f60f7!! seems like a really strong defensive move here - making a new square for the duck so you can keep it on the King-Queen diagonal.
if a move is played but the duck hasnt been moved yet, the move can actually be taken back by clicking the arrow next to the yellow duck sign on the bottom
“The knight is defended by the duck” 😂
Eric's latest merch: Oh yes my 🦆
I think en passant is totally nerfed with the duck, you can just place it after the pawn
Yes, but that still requires a turn's use of the duck, which could have rustled some feathers elsewhere
Can the duck promote to a goose?
Am I the only one tickled by hearing "Ducky too" when Eric says "🐥E2"?!😂
I really like duck chess and I want to see the game database for this. I want duck chess theory. I think this interests me as a game more than normal chess does
I imagine that making an engine for this would be really hard, as there's now an extra (number of moves)^(empty squares) possibilities to consider
Eric pioneering the Fried Duck Attack
That don't exist yet but Dubbel Duck formation exist
I can't stop watching you play duck chess. A match made in heaven.
"This opening... I'm kind of just winging it"
Never change, Eric. Unless you want to. Like changing your shoes for duck slippers. That's a good change. Unless you don't want to.
After watching this and playing chess it confused me greatly because I was constantly thinking about duck tactics
I'd like to see a marathon 12 hour duck chess session. Quack.
Yes we enjoy this! Thanks for posting a bunch of these games with your commentary!
The counterproDUCKtive joke got me. Funniest thing I've seen this year
at 25:54, could you sac the rook on A3, Qa3+, then bring your other rook into the game? you could even do duck A4 to trap the king!
We need blindfold duck chess
I actually think duck chess might be the best new chess variant I've seen, I can fully see this as a competitive format
4:02
your reasoning here has immediately sparked my interest in this variant.
Quack.
plays duck chess
"just winging it"
This is so confusing because your normal chess logic gives you the wrong answer. Basically pieces are never defended unless they are defended by knights, pawns, or direct contact. Which also means that maybe knights are better than rooks in this game.
Knights are OP
We don't have a duck at the school where I teach, but an oversized, red, ceramic pawn does a nice job as an understudy. Kids that felt less skilled and less interested in standard chess have taken a liking to starting a new game on a level playing field with the kids of greater traditional chess skill and experience. Call it differentiated instruction.
This is really cool to hear! I think that may be a big part of why it's taking off so much among fans, too. It's super encouraging to watch a highly regarded champion of this game fumble through a new variant and learn theory for us all as he goes, haha. It does indeed feel like a more even playing field than chess usually is.
Eric: "I forgot duck f6 was possible." Legendary
Next up: Duck chess against an actual duck. Will Eric be successful in becoming king of the ducks?
Duck Chess Boxing: Man vs the Duck.
2:11 "I'm kind of just 'winging' it."
"you always have to keep in mind the deviousness of the duck" are words that I will never forget.
"You always have to take into account the deviousness of the duck" are truly words to live by
An hour of duck chess?? Oh. My. God. Yes.
*eric wins a game of duck chess*
“That went swimmingly.”
It's always so fun to watch duck chess :)
Duck Chess adds so many new layers to the cake. It is simply amazing. 🙂
10:17 "it was one of the few games he played in St. Louis"
20:40 that opening is a blunder, you could have put the bishop next to the pawn in front of their bishop and blocked their pawn and from blocking and bishop from taking. Winning a bishop, they can save the rook by moving the knight but bishop was lost
Duck chess but White’s first turn is duckless. Then it’d be perfect.
Duck Alekhine - sounds a bit like duck a l'orange...
Can someone explain at 2:46 why Eric doesn't play Nd3 DuckE2? it's check and the knight is defended by the queen, duck blocks the bishop, I feel like the king would have to go to d2 and there would be discovered check options
Hi
You would blunder the knight after white plays Qxd3-Duck anywhere on the d file. 😉
@@ludovicamar1955 Ugh, of course, thanks
Omg an hour of duck content this is amazing
duck chess is actually similar to Chinese chess.
"I forgot duck e6 was possible" - IM Eric Rosen 2022
I've been loving duck chess and the interesting ways duckzwang can be used
Underrated comment. Duckzwang accurately evokes how this variant seems to be extra good for setting traps & just generally forcing the opponent into awkward spots
"There's no engine for this game" I was talking with the guy who maintains "Fairy Stockfish" which is a variant chess engine. He says that the reason duck chess and other multi move variants aren't implemented is because the alternation of moves is an assumption baked into the code of the chess engine itself. That's part of the pruning, for instance, to reduce branches of possibilities
This is like quack cocaine.
I'd love to see a duck chess collab with Levy
I want to see two 3600 duck chess engines play the game at the highest level and see the absurdity of tactics now
The opening... he's *winging* it.
the duck should be able only to move diagonally, horizontally or like a horsey - duckey - that would make it the most flexible piece and still shared an invincible :)
A (normal) piece that does that is called an Amazon, I believe. The idea of a pacifist Amazon/an Amazonian duck is definitely intriguing hahaha
26:26 pun clearly not originally intended, but so very relished, ha ha ha
I can't stop watching Eric play duck chess!
We went from oh no my queen to oh yes my duck 15:41
"in this opening I'm kinda just winging it" genius
I prefer watching you play than playing myself because when I watch you we win more often. 🤪