Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro: Religion, Trans Activism, and Censorship
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Female fan in the house.
Done!
I love watching this yet I only understand about 40%
Which especially sucks when they’re basically telling you the MEANING OF LIFE
I’d pay good money for someone to explain what they are talking about in terms a pleb like me could understand
Please host Brendon Marotta (director of American Circumcision) on the show.
I am almost done divesting myself from Patreon. So I was happy to learn that you and Jordan (and others) are working on another method for us to financially support you and other content creators.
You could tell Jordan is like super excited that he could talk to people that actually understand what he is saying for once
Bunny Feet yeah, it’s great! You should also see his discussions with Russel Brand. It’s also great food for thought.
Not just understand but comment on and benefit to the conversation
So true!
Bunny Feet . Lol. Great comment. Yep.
@Christopher Olsen I feel the same. Everyone regards him as a genius when I think people think that simply because he says big words and talks very quickly.
The fact that Ben lets himself get interrupted by Jordan just goes to show the respect these guys have for eachother
And vice versa
Absolutely 👍👍👍
Yeah I mean when you’re a racist privileged dipshit it’s easy to relate
@@dasmyhammer found the shill
@@KingBowserVlog he is an idiot, ignore him
Rubin: "let's dumb this down so that average people can understand"
Jordan: *describes the biological process of experiencing god*
Jordan: passionately explains the biological process of male hierarchy structure, by female selection, in order to have sex with more females and reproduce more
Rubin: (personally I don't agree)
X and Y, Do you know any other letter?
@@richardharsha6258 He says he is gay dude, not about the non-existant 3rd gender and shit like this.
Ravi Zacharias would have discussed this particular point so much better.
That was great! 😂😂😂
These gentlemen had this conversation five years ago. It's 2023, and they were spot on. Proof in excess that we should all be listening.
Im listening to this just now and man did I really need to hear this
Weird. They don´t scream and yell at each other. Weird debate.
Scream, hahahaha
This has to be sarcasm lol. The yeller is usually trying to shut the opposition up or get personal.
FWIW this isn't supposed to be a debate, but just a talk/discussion.
Wasn’t a debate bud
Weird. People don’t seem to get sarcasm. Weird people.
Being someone from Scotland, where a man was incriminated for a joke, you guys in America don't realise how great your country and constitution is... Fight for this, don't let the far left win. Free speech is necessary.
As a liberal and as a left.. I am sorry but the people are pseudo liberals, not actual liberals. Liberals are accepting of everyone, regardless of any differences, liberals speak the truth even when it means that you would be alone and targetted. All these people are who claim to be liberals have bastardized the term liberals.!! Jordan and Ben are the true liberals here, because they ooze liberal qualities.. Fighting for what is right, doing the correct thing, even when you would face wide criticism...! Don't give up on being liberal, but learn to differentiate who is a true liberal.
DEATH CLASSIC
Yikes we Americans assume Scotland and that area is more conservative than that /:
I didn’t know things had gotten weird over there, Sorry to hear it’s like that now..
@@thegreatgatsby8180 Did you just pull a "No True Scotsman" on a Scotsman? Well done.
Not only in Scotland, in Canada (Quebec) a comedian was sued for a joke too. I think there are more stories like this around the world than we think.
I'm a Nigerian male (no I don't have USD 50,000 to send to you) and the election of Donald Trump got me into political ideology and the difference between left and right. While Nigeria is a generally conservative country, I study in Mauritius and I've been exposed to a lot of new leftist ideas. While I personally feel Africa has gained a lot from the introduction of Judeo-Christian values, I feel that we're also beginning to slowly adopt some of the more dangerous leftist ideology. I absolutely enjoy listening to and studying the work of Ben Shapiro and especially Jordan Peterson. I hope more Africans get ahead of this creeping radical liberalism or we'll wake up one day and realize we've been swamped.
Well I'll be damned...thanks for all the likes.
You made me lol with the money statement. Well played, sir.
"no I don't have USD 50,000 to send to you"....hahaha!! That's awesome. I'm sorry to hear that Africa is heading leftist and away from God. I'm hoping they will carry the banner for Christ into the future. The West unfortunately has lost all interest in our Father.
HAH! that first sentence was the funniest thing I've read all day. Safe travels to you!
"50,000 usd"..hehehe
@@iLoveMyselfBetterThanYou hiiiii...maybe I'll visit someday...when my French isn't as horrible as it is now... enjoy 😁
I like watching Peterson getting excited when he is able to have a mature discussion
How many times did you blow a load during this pathetic conversation?
Oh yeah 😅
Me too! He comes alive, his excitement is palpable 😅
@@marmararraj76 love jbp hes a very smart and humble man!
I’m still pinching myself that I get to listen to these conversations for free from the comfort of my own home.. what a time to be alive!
Agreed!!
Couldn't agree more. This is incredible stuff!
Not for long. In a few years this freedom will be a story to tell the kids.
@@moesypittounikos I fear that everyday
So true !
“No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth.”
- plato
Do you hate SJW? Or leftists in general?
Absolutely true, I also think of a profound statement in the Bible, to which I'm am not religious but believe the Bible to be a series of metaphor's;
Do you want to safe Jesus, the truth and the light, or do you want Borabus? The whole world chanted
"Give us Borabus"
@Tiber Zeek So do they speak the truth?
Motto that the Westboro Baptist Church must love.
Yeah, but Plato also believed that because we have lots of cats that are different but all cats somewhere otherworldly there is a perfect cat, so he was also a bit batty 😂
The only way you can get Ben Shapiro to talk less is to put him in a room with Jordan Peterson
that’s funny😂👍
Watch him with Ravi Zacharias, you will know.
😅😅😅🤣🤣🤣
Steven crowder?
@@rantranger1527 that session was gold!!
This is the equivalent of "I wonder what the conversations between Plato & Aristotle were like?" This. They were like this. Beautiful.
Never looked at it this way and you’re right. It’s beautiful
Its not that complicated because it is all over the New Testament.
”And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.“
Luke 14:27 NKJV
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
John 16:33
Paul described this conflict we have with sin in Romans chapter 7. It also explains why we need Jesus and cannot be saved by simply trying to be a good person.
For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me and by it slew me.
12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid! But sin, that it might appear as sin, was working death in me by that which is good, that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual; but I am carnal, sold under sin.
22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God - through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
"Only young white men listen to you"
Me, a black guy from the Caribbean who watched all his debates and read all his books
Ay
Hey man, that's a cool name.
What's the Caribbean like? It looks beautiful in the movies.
@@handroids1981 yep! Went there with my husband a few years ago to St Lucia, Caribbean island. Haven’t seen anything like it, great beaches, attractions etc. Definitely recommend visiting the islands, really breathtaking views!
@@hummedtuner2847
Nice.
I don't think I'll be going there any time soon, due to current issues.
But I've seen the Documentaries and I've read books on this beautiful place. That in itself is an experience.
That will do for now.
Me, a woman from Brasil, who loves all those videos hahaha
As a foreign speaker this is like a benchmark for my language skills, holy crap.
As English as my first language this is like a benchmark for my language skills
same!!! 😂
turn subtitles on. makes it easier to follow the conversation. even this way it's complicated
Absolutely! I'm getting everything they say but I constantly think "I would never have come up with this formulation!"
I'm a native English speaker and I still can't keep up at parts as far as comprehension goes.
"People would rather be hated than ignored". That explains so much of Twitter.
Negative attention is still attention.
BAM - nailed it. Good point, man.
Hear hear!
One of the Laws of Power...
I’d rather be ignored than hated. My value exists irregardless of others acknowledging that value.
I'm watching this in 2022. It is just as relevant and interesting today I'm sure as it was in 2018. Putting these 3 men together on one podcast is amazing. I've never seen Dave so quiet but he's not missing a thing. Please do it again now!
If not MORE relevant, I dare say. Cheers, kathleen!
This is the best thing ever. Ben hears the problem and gives an accurate black and white solution. Jordan hears the problem and gets deep into the root as to 'why'. It's truly a magnificent thing to have these two men in one room.
Agreed :)
Imagine if they combined their brains and then we diluted their juices like in Rick and Morty. We'd all be geniuses.
im jordan
@@jakobmatthies6553 that's macabre but okay. lol
Any dickhead can come up with a black or white solution to any problem.
For what it’s worth, Mr. Peterson, I’m a 63 year old grandmother and listen to you assiduously! Plenty of women enjoy your thinking.
madam thanks to you, ive learnt a new word
I mean jordan is almost 60 I think 57 / 58 I think age has little to do with it. Yeah though there's a lot of women who agree with him as well.
Me too, Rebecca!!
Yes, there are so many women out there who agree with his views.. coming from a brown, migrant woman in her early 30s..
40 year old woman here 🙋🏼♀️ He’s the most interesting person on UA-cam. Dennis Prager would be the closest contender. I like Ben, but he needs to talk slower. I can’t listen to Ben as I work. I have to to purposely listen to him.
I feel like Ben and Jordan need a faster way to get information out of their brain than just their mouth.
sYrup no hate but that’s slower to write and sell a book
I would watch the TV show where their brains play what they are thinking & they have telepathic conversations that are faster than this one, but alas, such technology won't be invented until our great grandchildren are dead.
We are together!
Especially jordan
Shapiro speaks very quickly anyway...
This is one of the highest level discussions i have ever heard and i love it.
You need to watch the debate of J.Peterson vs Sam Harris. That's the highest level discussion that exists.
Its not that complicated because it is all over the New Testament.
”And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.“
Luke 14:27 NKJV
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
John 16:33
Paul described this conflict we have with sin in Romans chapter 7. It also explains why we need Jesus and cannot be saved by simply trying to be a good person.
For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me and by it slew me.
12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid! But sin, that it might appear as sin, was working death in me by that which is good, that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual; but I am carnal, sold under sin.
22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God - through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
It makes me so happy seeing Jordan actually having a conversation you can actually here the happiness in his voice after the first 10 mins
😂
You don’t see him relaxed often
*hear bro...not here
Shapiro naturally speaks at 1.25X speed
put Shapiro at 2, try to understand,
no @@mannuelvigneault1583
@@blackl1steddrums .5x speed drunk Shapiro is the best
Omg he is SO ANNOYING HES AWFUL I WANNA LIKE HIM BUT......NO, NO, NO......
.75 is ALMOST NORMAL
Edit: thank you for all lovely comments 💖
I am a young single mother who is raising a little boy by myself. I know that the fact that I dont have any high education/and income right now isnt ideal for the future of my child. the fact that my boy doesnt have a male rolemodel in his life is worse than if I was educated and lived with the father. i understand this and instead of being angry and hostile against Jordan for highlighting and pointing out the statistics of the wellbeing of boys being raised by single mothers, I have decided to go to school when Im done with maturenity leave. I read and research alot about how to get my boy the absolute best chance in life. I put in the work to make Up for the fact that I am the sole provider and try to get as much knowledge and the best income I can. Im thankfull for these people who can educate us and help us become the best versions of ourselfes! All love and respect for Jordan and Ben!
Bravo! Really mature thinking there. You can agree or disagree with certain things related to your personal self but overall they (especially dr. Peterson) are talking science and facts that we should learn from and not react agitated to because it rubs us the wrong way (which basically is a problem within us since they are stating what science teaches them).. good on you Ninizen.
@@feaREagle thank you! I had a really interesting discussion with a friend about how a victim mentality can hold us back, if I put myself in a mentality where I give myself exscuses and a free-pass not to go to school, not to strive to get a better job with a better income for my boy then who am I punishing? And yes I might have to work harder for it than someone who isnt raising a child by themselfes Im just glad that there is people like Jordan in this world who can tell us that we need to work harder to make up for the fact that he doesnt have a male rolemodel in his life. I see it as a goal and a challenge 😄👊👊
@@feaREagle and another fun fact is that I actually have a fulltime job now, but I think I can get a better one if I go to school 😄👍
@@SwedBaben proper mentality. Wish you all the best for you and your boy 😊 keep your chin up always and break a leg 💪🏼
@@feaREagle thank you so much this made my day even better 😄❤️
The amount of times Ben says "this is exactly right" and Jordan says "yes" and "right"... you can see them falling in man love with each other.
It's funny reading this comment, because this literally happened between my gf and I, when we were getting to know each other, and it ended up being a very easy decision to become bf/gf. We both have similar views on pretty much everything (we both like JP and Ben for example) such as- Christian/conservative/traditional, and even have some similar interests too!
@@bryant475Good for you
Some say Ben Shapiro has never actually taken a full breath ...
No time for breathing when you speak 200 words a minute.
sometimes he talks out of his ass
He is Jewish and probably has asthma
Mike Mabey LMAO! Your comment made my day!
@@glynmwiya6175 But where the air? I guess the air is everywhere.
I bought the book. I am female and 73 years old. You have rescued me from the boredom and triviality of mainstream television. Thank you all.
I'm so oddly pleased for you, and I don't even know you.
*THE FBI WANTS TO KNOW YOUR LOCATION*
I'm a 70 year old woman and love listening to these men. I am excited that there is more for me to do in this world!!
Nice
i am a 128 year old woman and love this content.
A homosexual, a Jew, and a psychologist walk into an open forum...
The left doesn't find this joke funny.
Lmao
I’m on the left and found it hilarious 😂 although not a hard lefty
Attaching labels to people is inadvisable. It invariably leads to racism. For instance, if I stated that Jesse Bryant is an a**hole, he might take offense and attack me. Yet he seems to be OK with classifying these three men. Perhaps it was meant as humor?
👍
This was satisfying. You can literally feel their joy in having a calm rational and meaningful conversation
I love the number of women who are commenting how they’re not a white male but still listen to JBP and Ben! I’m a first generation immigrant from Vietnam to America but now living in Japan and I listen to Ben and JBP for at least two hours every day! Being male or female has nothing to do with being interested in great ideas!
That's great ! Spread the intellect.
@Thoa Nguyen WHAT! The left told me people like you weren't real!
Thoa Nguyen I’m a 52 year old female 👋🏻 who loves Peterson and Shapiro. I don’t see why it matters though - we’re all people.
It matters because, not very long ago females were not aloud to sit at the aristocratic table unless she was serving bread and tea...that is why these intellectual baffooons can't stand being told how to address their peers.
Thoa Nguyen Woow you're beautiful.
Top 10 Anime crossovers
Nice to see you here Karim!
And they said infinity war had a cross over
FUNNY AND ORIGINAL COMMENT
God bless you, you sublime embodiment of a man of culture. I'm glad somebody already said it.
I don't get it. Explain it please.
Wow. Peterson's joy at having other intelligent humans to discuss these issues with is priceless.
Another? I can't see even one intelligent person on this cast of pseudoscience. Heck, in first minutes JP discusses how his followers are peaceful at the events, complitely ignoring the fact that these people are the cherry on the top of the massive cake of angry mobs he attracts.
@@iirostark your grip on reality is based on the terrible reporting of terrible news sources. I've never seen more bullying in the modern era than from transgender-rights groups.
@@amythinks Nope, it's based on discussions I and others have had with Peterson fanatics online and even IRL, and its pretty clear most of them are bitter, woman hating and transphobic, mostly white males who use his quotes to justify their own prejudices and while I do acknolege some of them are taken out of context, they still do that and they would never dare to attend these events.
@@iirostark Not buying it. And even if it were true, you can't judge a man based on other people. How about attacking his actual arguments instead of copping out. This is the kind of illogical argument that is so characteristic of people with no real arguments. Go ahead, argue against one of his actual points. I'll wait.
@@amythinks What? Your first comment has none of his arguments, why would I debunk a random argument JP makes on comment that has no real substance except "wow, they are so smart". I have and will debunk most of his arguments elsewhere, where they are actually relevant to original comment. But here is a easy one, there is no God, JP has presented no evidence for such a being, and no, the anwser is not "Well what do you mean by god, I think its the value at the top of your hierarchy" because its a small minority who view God this way and it's not helpful at all to use this definition because its equivalent to saying "earth is flat, because my definition of flat is a round 3D figure with every point on its surface equidistant relative to its centre".
Dr Peterson, I am a Christian 70 year old, retired, career woman, no children and single by choice. I love the robust discussions, the concise language and always look forward to any discussions you participate in. Thank you❣️
Janet you need a relationship or you will live a lonely pathetic life....find love Janet for the love of God find love women
@@kerry2921 I’m very content but thanks for your input!
I love how excited Jordan gets when he gets a light bulb in his head after Ben says something interesting...his brain starts racing
hilarious!
Like the thing that happens with everyone when someone else understands them.
Love this too. He is usually way above everyone else. Seen him excited with someone else ideas, is exciting itself.
Sarah Owens -Ben has never said anything interesting, ever.
@@lee48lee68 you are sincerely deluded, my friend.
I am not an angry white male. All woman should start to comment to show that his audience includes us as well! 🙏❤️
Why did you limit it to women?
oh don't start.... @@Michael-fx1gs
Michael Holmes because it’s been said Jordan’s audience is all white males. Showing that women also listen is evidence against that leftist proclamation. It’s not identity politics. It’s a statement that goes against identity politics
Aqui! Going to see them in January. Cannot wait. Bringing my mom!
*hoping to find the topmost male lobster in the audience ready to commit ;)
I respect Rubin here, he is a good host, listening carefully, not interrupting, letting ideas bounce between these two gentlemen
I fully agree, he listened, which is what every one in America needs to do. It is okay to disagree with one another, however, not listening and trying to find a good solution is just going to halt progress. I have not watched much of his content until now, and the fact he (as a liberal) had two "conservatives" (Would you consider Jordan a conservative?) on his show and he was open to just listening. It was beautiful to watch. We fight for equality, yet all we have done as a country is create hate and a bigger divide than ever before.
and when he chimes in it is pertinent and spurs them onward in the discussion or steers it politely and tactfully
When you are the third wheel sitting with two genius’ you shouldn’t talk except for levity.
Cathy Newman: So you are saying that all female reporters are bad and rather than doing their jobs they should stay in the kitchen?
@@frenki425 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's so cool listen to people actually discuss something without being rude as hell and constantly interrupting each other or disrespecting each other
I’m a black woman in the military who aligns a lot of feminist ideals, yet I love to hear a good debate that stretches my perspective. As a lover of knowledge, I know I cannot grow intellectual if I stay in echo chambers. Jordan’s mind intriguing; he is absolutely brilliant. I always want to read more after listening to him.
"I know I cannot grow intellectual if I stay in echo chambers"
This attitude all but guarantees you a wealth of knowledge and wisdom
I respect your desire to grow your own perspective but worry that the crab mentality of social media may punish you for it.
Easy: JP is not against women or women rights.
@Fascism is bad Mmmmkay because JP believes in equal rights?
Curious on how your views of Jordan Peterson align with your views on feminism. To say he is against feminism is wrong, but to say he is against radical feminism (the more popular (at least the most loud) version rn in American politics) is entirely correct as he detests radicals in any direction.
As a non-white, happy female - I'm ecstatic finding this video.
Yes Ben "solutions that lead to better lives are not going to be feelings based but they're going to be facts based" Yes!!!! Once again, I found my people.
As a young single mother I totally agree!! 🤣
Welcome.
I guess im a young angry white male 😂😂 oh my ragge
Donna Cain Ben and Jordan are amazing at what they do. Listen to them as much as I can, they make so much sense for all, men and women. 😆
Did you just assume your own gender and race?
“Only young white men listen to you”
Me, a Palestinian American Canadian 27 year old woman, mom and wife. Also reading his book!
Your children will thrive because of that.
Me, a French, Canadian, American first generation 70 year old white woman. Also avid listener of Dave Rubin and Ben Shapiro
Me, an italian 24 year old woman
“Only young white men listen to you”
Me, a Middle Eastern Jordanian 21 year old. Also about to buy his book.
I'm a 54 year old Hispanic man. So...
I love it that they're not just talking, they're enjoying each other's explanations and each other's company
That’s what mature people do.
Me, a non-native Englishspeaker, having a hard time understanding the discussion because of all the technical terms, but still continues watching since my man Jordan P. Is present
But your Written English is pretty good.
@@somemedic8482 thank you :).
Still, I find myself struggling understanding the whole thing (refers to discussion).
Your English is great actually, English isn’t my first language either, where are you from?
@@tafadzwachivige3427 Thanks lol. I'm from Germany, hbu?
Caroline Ahmed I’m Zimbabwean. Your last name is Middle Eastern, any relatives there?
I have never seen JP this engaged in such a relaxed way without that annoyed look on his face. I love it.
because he talk with real "man" that are able to take criticism, levelheaded, rational, and actually LISTEN to him instead of bunch of karen who try to push their agenda and incite anger.
I don’t think that Dr. Peterson is ever annoyed. I think he’s very passionate, very deep feeling and a very compassionate human being. He’s absolutely beautiful
Watch his conversations with Russel Brand. They're great. Very enjoyable discourse.
It's what happens when hosts don't try to nit pick the shallow literary meanings and actually use the fullness of their brain with all the openness to thoughts that can bring as opposed to trying to constantly confirm their own preconceptions of him. The lobster issue is massive on this... people still don't listen to what he is saying despite it being out for years, they still try to paint a brain dead superficial picture of his meaning.
That's because it's very easy for him, just like when you play checker with your kids. Have you seem JP debate against Sam Harris?
A black women here who actually appreciates Everything they stand for because it’s all facts and truth.
Keep being a leader, girl.
Me too, don’t be a victim! I edited this comment from “to” to “too”
You are not alone :)
That's because you think for yourself
Mexican American here and I feel pretty much the same. I don't agree with all of Bens's politics, but I appreciate his honesty and clarity and he certainly helps me understand common positions I don't hold. Where does the hate come from?
Just amazing to see three brilliant minds working together and showing utmost respect to each other!
The world has gone to shit. Three brilliant minds? You consider guys “brilliant” just because they aren’t scared to say the truth? 1+1=2. Am I brilliant?
JP: big idea energy
Ben: quick wit energy
Dave: golden retriever energy
JP: BIG BRAIN
Ben: Rapper
Dave: I just sit here and chime in every once in a while.
Lol
He does a great job keeping the conversation going, wdym?
Rubin absolutely has loveable pet energy
@@tylerfiecke Exactly! I think that's an element of his success.
I thoroughly enjoyed this. What a difference from the usual screeching. Here we have a psychologist, a gay liberal and a conservative Jew (sounds like they should be walking into a bar) discussing differing perspectives on ultimate issues with respect towards one another. It truly felt like being in an oasis.
highlander 3000 don't forget- a gay liberal Jew. There's a lot going on with these guys. 😂
Keir Campbell he's said many a time that he's a classical liberal. I'll just stick with how he defines himself as opposed to the moving goal post of the left. 🤷🏽♀️
@Neil Spalding Alt-right has just always seemed, to me, to be a vague blanket term that collectivists use because they need to label and define everything into coverall groups, as they have a low ability to attend to any level of complex nuance. It's pretty crazy there're so many of them!
Neil Spalding I see it all the time and it still baffles me. They either know it isn't true (so slander or libel) or they really *do* think it's true... so they're totally disconnected from reality. Scary huh?
OneWhoDreamsAwake he has a whole video speech about how he no longer identifies with the what is now the left lol
I’m a woman, I’m here, and I love this civil logical debate. 💗
These people aren’t anti-women or anti-nonwhite they are EXAMINING modern movements and may be against harmful ideologies. Don’t agree with everything, but I love these guys.
Rachel Burns exactly
4 years later and the issues that these men are talking about have gotten 10 times worse.
5 Years later and the issues that these men are talking about have gotten 11 times worse.
"If you want to help people, tell them the truth, if you want to help yourself, tell them what they want to hear."
Thomas Sowell
Mic. Drop. If Sowell were here to add to this amazing discussion, there would be no need to watch another video on the Internet.
Put Thomas Sowell on this panel and have him join in on the dialogue. Would blow everyone's minds.
Me, an intellectual does both
@@mohammedavdul5247 A true intellectual doesn't brag about his intellect. ;)
I live how Peterson says something and Ben goes “this is correct” it means they used reason and arrived at the same conclusion independently. Brilliant!
home boy or... they arrived at the same conclusion. He doesn't 'attempt' to finish the sentences. He finishes them because he absolutely knows it's the end of the sentence and it's an efficient way to show agreement.
Listening to these guys made feel like I have read ten different books in one
egwu justice Honestly it’s refreshing to listen to a debate like this no fighting, no screaming just well educated people that can have a proper conversation without disrespecting each other. It’s pretty rare to see that in 2019.
More like getting clips of 5,000 books and articles but put together in a wonderfully coherent picture that would be impossible if you were simply given the facts and opinions alone.
Probably not the same.
There are 666 likes, and I don't want to ruin that number Sir
the fact that both of them sitting there and talking makes this show heavy, their knowledge and wisdom is beyond our time
The three that are the best at what they do:
Dave Rubin: great host to discuss ideas and skillful moderator.
Ben Shapiro: Spot on with sensible conclusions at record speed.
Jordan Peterson: The unmatched articulation of how we can responsibly and calmly build our minds to come to such conclusions or disagree.
🔥
@Thomas Cook YOOO Imagine Joe with these 3 all at once!!!
@@true_matt Yah Joe is good, but he would be lost in this room:)
Zachary Baisley it would still entertaining lol
I get smarter every time I listen to Jordan Peterson.
I feel like an idiot comparatively but I too benefit every time.
A. Rosa I resonate with his thoughts every time. I feel like he is putting my thoughts in words and organising them logically..
I'm just pretend to understand. Try it it works
you actually discover the smartness inside yourself you gain Access to it
Michael Dicks well said 👍
Can you imagine ordering a pizza with Jordan. After 30 minutes of his analyzing each topping, he’s gotten to the five hierarchical toppings that merit further scrutiny.
Kris Oluich
Sounds like a scene from a food anime
Ahh only the best food porn
1. Steak
2. Steak
3. Steak.
4. Lobster
5. Steak
@n-I'd think lobster at the top? :) ...and Bacon-Canadian Bacon, in the menu also.
What do I want on my pizza? Well, that's a difficult question. Because first of all you have a ton of options, and that may sound like a good thing, but actually it's a REALLY BIG PROBLEM. Because how do you know what to pick? And how do you know when your decisions are the right ones? You may think you want pepperoni, but maybe that's just the Jungian shadow side of your personality asking for pepperoni. It's sort of like the story of Bambi running lost through the forest and then Bambi finds his mother, but then it turns out his mother dies and he discovers that all life is suffering. And that's something you have to deal with, because why were you getting pepperoni in the first place? Was it for happiness? Because that's not what life's about, man. You're going to have a really hard time if you're eating pepperoni to be happy. You need to find meaning. So maybe you'll think to yourself, 'Well, ok, then I'll get bell peppers, because they're green and green represents life and flourishing and verdant fields of vast opportunity.' And you would be on to something there, but then again, maybe not because peppers are also spicy and spicy pepper is kind of like the apple in the story of Adam and Eve. And, well, if that's the case, then just what the hell are you doing with this pizza, then? And you need to pay attention to that because it matters. It matters a lot, as it turns out. Hello?
This is the most informative things I’ve ever heard about religion. I was born a Christian and turned atheist and now at 28 I’ve finally turned back to god. And this is so amazing to hear and watch
You sound like you're easily swayed (very impressionable).
@@charleybarley7148it's never too late to find god again. The right path is always better than the wrong.
@@nqa5448 it's never too late to unscramble your brains.
@@charleybarley7148 What did u gain from these two comments
@@charleybarley7148 Also why do u not believe in God (i think u dont)
It's funny, this is one of the first times I've seen Ben Shapiro agree so much with a person. Jordan Peterson is amazing.
It's because most of the topics are Peterson's expertise and he is listening and learning.
I've been waiting to see these two brilliant men together for a long time. Awesome!
I'm a young black man and I support all of these people sitting up there
You got a good head on your shoulders man. Don't ever let the left make up your mind for you. ✌
@@hondadrvr3 thanks
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Good for you! You aren't following the herd. The left acts like your friends but you are nothing more than a test-subject for their economic theories. They don't totally equate you as a human. They will never admit this because they, themselves, aren't aware of it. That is a by-product of living in an all white community with little to no contact with minorities. They only know you through books. But you are not another species of primates to be 'studied'. You are a human.
Thanks
As Peterson would say "Not a whole lot of people hate you, only a few Noisy people do."
Empty vessels make the most noise.
It's true, most people are indeferent to me or suspicious about me. But as for hate, i find very little hate from other people in my ordinary life. Well observed !
i have just stumbled upon this video today, and it may be the single most though provoking, intelligent, and respectful conversation that I have heard.
I am a Muslim, watching from Pakistan. And this is some genius stuff that they are saying. There is always a middle path, you dont have to be at extremes
The truth is usually somewhere in the middle
If you’re a practicing Muslim who takes the Quran seriously there should be no middle path
Zack Regan and you know that based on your extensive study of Islam, I’m sure.
Zack Regan From your last nameI say you are definitely not Muslim. So I don’t think you have any say in anything there. Once you realize mr white man that pretending to know, to feel, to understand how islam works, how muslims feel, how black people feel how anybody that is DIFFERENT from you mr white man, doesn’t stand ground. You do not know. And you may never know because you are a white man. And an ignorant one which is the worst kind of white man. Stop it.
Ameer Thahab This passage from the Quran proves that Islam is NOT a religion of peace Judgment Day will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Jews will hide behind the rocks and the trees, but the rocks and the trees will say: Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him - except for the gharqad tree, which is one of the trees of the Jews.”
I am a woman and a HUGE fan of all of these wonderful gentlemen.
FemBot
Sheer sign of higher intelligence.
Identity politics choose to make it about men or woman .. Black white hispanic Asian .. religious or atheist..
consistently puts an identity label behind any discussion, speaker or event.
By doing this they miss the entire substance of the actual discussion
Thank you for your intelligence, as the world and future will only benefit from woman such as yourself ☺️✌️
You know Shapiro supports the sweeping anti women laws that have been coming about in America lately.
Jeff Gazetti
There is no anti woman laws sweeping America .. your out of your god damn mind if you think for a second woman are some how oppressed in America in 2019
30 years for having a first trimester abortion isn’t opressing women? Even if I was pro life I would still say that’s harsh.
Where I live in Ohio the newly elected governor Mike DeWine has signed a “heartbeat” bill into law. He’s pushing agenda to favor his own faith. Funny how he hasn’t re imposed the TPP tax on business that his predecessor John Kasich removed effectively fucking Ohioans to have to fill the gap. The TPP tax was used heavily to fund the public schools.
My point is, again: people like Dewine don’t care about life once it’s been born.
He is a Rick Moranis looking bookworm who has never lifted anything heavier than a pen in his life.
Yes of course I’m not saying all of America but where I live it’s bad
Thank God for these folks that allow me to feel smarter and dumber at the same time.
Infotainment 100% me to.
It's good for ya
Infotainment haha so me.
Infotainment how humbling is it? 🤤🤤🤤
Perfect comment
I love this. As a man who puts utmost importance to virtue ethics and seeing an extensive discussion between some of the best minds of modern society share their comments on the topic gives me so much immeasurable happiness.
You don’t see women berating Oprah because her followers are 90% women.
The way to deal with people following this line of questioning is to reply with a question, ask them "what's your point?" because they are saying "all your followers are men" as if it's a bad thing, but without actually saying why they think that's bad. Once you dig into their question more by actually finding the point they are trying to make, then it is a LOT easier to respond to that appropriately! People do this all the time in everyday life, it's a good tactic in the work place too... always dig deeper to find out what the real question or real point is if you have a manager who loves being passive-aggressive and trying to drop you in the shit.
@@Vandragorax So true! There's usually something far deeper in an accusation that we have to dig to uncover
To be fair, they have very different reasons for drawing there designated genders in: they make extremely different content. Oprah talks to celebrities, speaks of 'wholesome' topics, speaks of self help, spirituality and many other much less controversial topics.
Jordan speaks of gender issues, stereotypes within society, philosophical concepts, psychology and politics. He speaks of and is okay with speaking about and debating heavily sensitive and heated topics within this current climate. That's what differentiates them. He attracts men for different REASONS to why Oprah attracts women. I'm not necessarily saying that there's something wrong with either. I'm just pointing out what is kind of glaringly obvious.
PuffPass Logic72 I can't stand oprah
My mom loved Oprah and would go on about how smart oprah winfrey is. It used to get on my nerves because it seemed like you had to be an idiot to think Oprah was a genius and here was my mom idolizing her.
You can tell how happy Jordon is to actually be in a public conversation where his words actually has an impact
Youre comment was invisible I almost wrote I agree because I wanted to be funny lol
@@ohnonono4064 But you still commented...
@@yeedaqiu2425 Ocd I had to let you know even though it adds nothing to your comment😅
@@ohnonono4064 But wouldn't that just prove that my comment wasn't invisible? I mean you commented, and 216 other people liked it. so...
@@yeedaqiu2425 *300
My friend: Avengers: Endgame is the most ambitious crossover
Me:
100%
🤣🤣🤣🤣
The second one after this if you ask to me
If you had Ravi Zacharias it would be complete!
Metallica with the big 4 was better
I wish I could have an in depth conversation with Jordan Peterson. This man's views have so drastically changed my life for the better. I hope one day I get this honor.
And I'm not trying to be funny... you think you can keep it? I get what he is saying but some things are very complicated and can only be explained as such.
I wish the world was sane enough to go back to these kinds of conversations for a while.
Why only for a while? Why not from now on and forever?
Or to only have these civil of conversations from now on! The interesting thing is a great number of people have the potential to have conversations based on logic and mutual respect-IF unplugged from the social media mob machine. As they said in the beginning, most people they meet in person are pleasant and courteous.
@@thejoelshep Yeah agreed. And it doesn't help that the mechanics of social media reward very specific content, mostly short, catchy takes that carry some kind of emotional punch and don't take much thought to process. So on controversial topics people instantly go for the killing blow, and people mostly spread the best decapitation they read. That and humor seem to spread widest.
I would do anything for an updated show for 2020. After BLM protests, defunding of police, and upcoming US elections etc. So much has happened since this brilliant episode.
Peterson is hospitalized if I'm not mistaken, he has been for a while and probably will be for some time, so it won't be possible I think.
@@borekvodrazka5066 I believe he's home recovering now, been some time. But I agree, it will be some time before he returns to the public eye.
@@ZKhweziN If that's the case, (him being home) I'm happy for him and the people around him. I just hope he wont be too shocked once he learns what was happening while he was out. (Assuming he wasn't following BLM problematics)
He did his first podcast with his daughter just the other day. It was his first appearance in a very long time. He is still recovering, but he looks good and seems to be recovering well. Can't wait to hear more from JP
Yes!!!!
I’m transgender and i agree, gender dysphoria is, factually, a mental disorder. I don’t like to say it, it ain’t nice but it is true. I think you have 100% the right to call me whatever you want, it’s your freedom of speech.
I'll call you a rad human... spread rationality!
The fact that you can identify that.. is helpful to you and that means you are already winning half the battle! The fact that you accept rationality means that you are conscious to facts and that is essential to people to have better relationships and even life.
So will you transition? Sorry if that is personal
Fellow bipedal life form?
Hello, human.
I hope there will be more incredibly rational and intelligent people like them. Literal icons among the madness of the modern society.
I learned like 25 new words in 2hrs
Abboiiiii Kante, you deserved being Man of the match against Newcastle, well done 😂😂
Lol i had to grab a dictionary tru story
Only 25?
LOL! for college I have a separate note book " new words learned this semester ", I do add words I learn from outside of class as well, Jordan and Ben are responsible for many entries
Which words
These people make me ashamed of my communication skills. The level of eloquence in this video is unbelievable.
Don’t be ashamed, be inspired!
Ben just said “assholery”
Reading and writing extensively helps with that.
@@Vvsean23 feels my IQ increased 500%
Stop crying and clean your room
It feels good to listen to people that actually think about the problems we face rather than just focusing on emotions only. Facts are valuable as well to find solutions
Franck Anakaur r u fucking kidding, they are the only thing that really matter, not that feelings don’t matter at all but, yeah
Franck Anakaur it feels good... was that an emotion by chance ? 😬
@@yeyofamoelguerosalvaje6861 of course it is, read well my statement, I said facts matters as well, so I don't deny emotions 😁😁
Be safe. Blacks with conservative views have it not easy right now
We can calm our left by showing that our right is open to criticism and caring.
Man, I've listened to this a minimum of 3 times so far, and it's still so awesome. I'm grateful to be open and to listen to others and their ideas.
shapiro's comment about social media as a 'crowd without a purpose' is just sublime.
marcuspassi Actually I think it was more “a crowd without a purpose searching for a purpose”, but the point remains. I used to have a Twitter but I deleted it last week because that’s all I was doing when I logged on. I’d just scroll through to see what I could be upset over. At some point, I asked myself “What’s all this for?” so I deactivated my account. Now I wake up in the morning and just enjoy a cup of coffee. 😊
@@patrick_dy3r you're free now, Neo!
@@patrick_dy3r absolutely agree, so many things you can do with your time.
I actually paused the video and wrote it down!
I'm grateful for this level of class and conversation that such intelligent people share with the world. Of course, its upto us to learn and grow.
Patrick Dyer One of the best things I’ve ever done was completely ignore my social media - not delete them - just ignore them for months at a time. This freed me from the massive time-wasting ego-feeding shitfest but still allow distant acquaintances or coworkers to contact me if they couldn’t via phone, text or in person. Life has become so much better and it’s improved my positivity in general.
The shear diversity of thought in this room, a Canadian, whom I'm not sure is a Christian, with a Doctorate in Clinical Psychology. A married gay man from Los Angeles who started with The Young Turks who I am pretty sure is an atheist, who also works in the world of media, having done hundreds of interviews. And finally a devout Jewish man with staunch conservative values, who is an outspoken critic of the left, with a degree in Law from Harvard. The diversity in lifestyle, belief, and thought is crazy.
This is an astounding example of what we should be going for, these men do not agree on much really, but working in the bounds of what they understand about each other, and learning more about each other, then taking us along for the ride, we are all further educated in the realm of ourselves and our ideologies. It's a lot to unpack but I think that we all walk away thinking and that curiosity will further enlighten us.
No malice in their conversation, no insult, no desire to crush the opposition. Just a desire to find the truth and explore each other, a beautiful display
Amen, well said
Those are my thoughts exactly. Well spoken sir.
They agree that the individuals around them are more important than their selfish feelings.
I'd say they may not agree on everything but sure have a lot they do mutually agree with.
Connor, it is this kind of discussion that is totally missing from the networks on TV. But once upon a time there were such intelligent discussions. But the Left took over the media a long time ago now.
Jordan finally got someone intelligent to talk with, we can see how excited he is..
Deepak chauhan have you seen his talk with Matt Dilahunty? Really amazing stuff
@@Kafka779 thanks.. I'll checkout
@@Deepakchauhan-ty3dm He also has a discussion with Camille Paglia that is interesting.
@@dang1861 thanks I'll check that out too
I think our IQs raise a few points just listening to these guys. I may listen again.
I'm a woman listening to these men because they speak the truth, and it's not just their version, it's the actual truth. Not many people do.
Great to see Dr. Peterson talking to people who are speaking logically enough, that he can simply agree with them. All relaxed and fun.
Keith Weaver when you close your eyes he sounds like a profound Kermit the frog
@@paulthrutner9114 there should be a sesame Street character for JP. I'm gonna write my congressman
@@paulthrutner9114 Damn you! Now that's all I can hear lol
What an absolute delight to hear these two great men discuss the important questions, to disagree without ire, and for Dave to quietly stand back and let the conversation flow. Well done!
I'd rather have a Marxist or trans activist in this conversation. What, Rubin couldn't get Zerobooks or someone?
I agree
yeah but dave will get bombarded by the young turks or another left wing news channel for not pushing back at ben shapiro the jewish nazi.
I wouldnt go around calling Shapiro great. Great in what? He is a talking head... Sam Harris put him to sleep.
Two atheists and a jew are talking about things they don't believe in.
Jordan's starting to look a little like "The Most Interesting Man in the World".
Has been for a couple years
Someone get him a dos equix!
He is the most interesting man
He’s earned that shit
He's downing books about religious archetypes like the local alcoholic is downing Dos Equis beers
I could listen to these 3 for hours and hours. I thoroughly enjoy listening to high level intelligent conversations. Doesn't everyone?
So fantastic that men of this intellectual caliber can discuss God in a such a calm, rational and respectful manner. Love them both.
Y did u name urself after hitlers sister
@@itsaboutwhatsfair1532 if you could sum up the right vs left it would this comment right here by Paula and the moron who replied to her
@@ysammo214 Ha!
Let's forget the fact two of these men think one of them is "immoral" based on what he wants to do with his penis. And the "immoral" man is hosting them both on his show.
@@riverdaledragon Reasonable people can still have differing views and opinions while conducting a civil discussion.
If they were the crazy left, they would likely have resorted to insults and name-calling in the first few minutes.
As an atheist, this intellectual conversation has really opened my eyes to how flawed my thinking really is. Not saying I’m suddenly religious or anything but it definitely gave me new respect for the impact religion has on me. A topic so complex as belief is something one needs to contemplate for a lifetime before comprehension.
JESUS IS LORD AND KING, YOU NEED TO ACCEPT JESUS INTO YOUR LIFE. JOHN 3:16
No I’m kidding.
Or am I????
Yeah, it is definitely more complex than some people make it out to be. I am sometimes frustrated by the way that some atheists just completely dismiss religion as pure nonsense and fail to tackle the complexities it entails and the way it might have influenced our thinking.
The religious stories are the one thing everyone can find themself in. And the one thing that can bind us as a human race no matter all our differences as individuals.
I pose to you a question:
Is there anything in nature that cannot satisfy human desire?
If the answer is no, then the search for meaning and the search for proof of God is proof that He exists.
If the answer is yes, then why are we even concerned with God in the first place? If God created us and nature, but nature does not satisfy all we need, then we don't need God and His creation anyway. So we wouldn't waste time with that question ever.
Please try Islam. Just a quick glance. I'd avoid polytheism, grave sin. Avoid, Christianity or rather Christians. The Bible actually has at least 90 places where Jesus says he is not God or indicates that way. He at least says he's nothing compared to God many times but the Christian (not the Unitarians) will say you need to worship him and seek his salvation which is blasphemy in my opinion. So I don't want you to jump back to atheism by looking at Christian. The churches are empty for a reason. Because 3 cannot be one. If God is God and Jesus is God and so is the Holy Spirit then that's 3 gods. But they will also say those three are one. Not possible in any universe or formula. So I wish you the best, may God guide you and He guides whom he wills, may God give you guidance and I hope your heart is soft enough and your mind rational enough to see. God bless you
Love how Rubin just stays in his lane. Best moderator 👨🏼⚖️ ever!
Looking at some of the comments many don't understand his role here is as a moderator, he conducts the discussion well.
@@megclif Exactly, i dont understand why people expect him to voice his opinion constantly. He is there to overwatch and guide the discussion.
Exactly, one of the best moderators and interviewers! People want unbiased content, Rubin is absolutely the best I've seen!
Totally agree. I’m starting to think Rubin May be an even better interviewer / moderator than Rogan. Course Rogan is just cool as hell though....
I appreciate how he’s smart enough to let two of the brightest minds and greatest thinkers around take the burden of the conversation. He obviously knows this but still subtly directs the conversation. Peterson and Shapiro are so deep and thoughtful, Dave MUST keep the conversation on track. Bravo Dave.
I finished this whole video, where do I pick up my degree?
A psychologist, a lawyer, and a gay man walked into a bar....
Whos gay?
Rubin I'm pretty sure
MILO !!!!!!
😂😂😂😂spot on boet
A gay a Jew and a Canadian
I’m an African Latina young woman and I appreciate a lot of what Jordan Peterson has got to say. He clearly and genuinely cares for people and what he says come from a place of deep thought, observation and experience. His values and stance for them are admirable. I say this because I agree with him: he doesn’t have a “target” of young white males. He speaks from a place of wanting EVERYONE to know what knows and CONSIDER what he has said.
his world views are those of a 1950's white man so it makes sense most his fans are white men
Everyone should at least hear out these wonderful men's information! Glad you're on here!
A lot of his very core beliefs clearly come from the bible. Just watch how many times he references it. That is a great place to start in your own discovery of truth. Those who appose truth tend to quickly and savagely disagree.
billy bones how come he doesn't talk about the Baghavat Gita, Zoroaster writings, Shinto writings? Aztec mythology? Do you consider those mythologies sources of truth as well or you just happen to be born within the society with the only "true" mythology?
@@morenitomoreno1282 I cannot speak for why Jordan only mentioned the Bible, but he has mentioned the truths he found in there naturally lead to a more fulfilling life and he does seem to base his own thoughts off of that even if he does or doesn't "follow Christ". Personally I think many of the religions tap into that core of truth to certain extents but many lose their way and get muddied quite quickly. Hell even Christianity is having trouble straying from their own core. I dont even recognize what Catholicism has become.... Anyways thats why I think Jordan references straight from the source material rather than "this preacher or that guy".
This is how gentleman debate! No screaming, no insulting, and everyone allows and respects the others speech. Thank you
This is a informal discussion between three gentlemen who see the world as it is. There is no debate here. They are in agreement 100%. Not to be that guy, but do you know what constitutes a debate? Again, I'm not trying to put you down.
@@scottsteele3890 The only thing these fine Gentlemen are missing, is some quality Tea, and some Biscuits!! Other than that, I'd like every human living on this planet should know, that these type of individuals the world needs more of in order to lead the world in the right direction!!
@@vladimator1842 actually id love to see them slowly sip some whiskey and watch the convo slowly devolve it would be hilarious.
That is because conservatives are always open to the possibility of being wrong. And if we are wrong we want to know and correct it. So we try to listen in case there is something to learn. Of course sometimes we listen closely so we can learn just how wrong someone might be.
@Flat Eric I'm not fantasizing, I'm generalizing.
This is why I kept bullies in line in high school so the smart people like Ben and Jordan Peterson can fix or at least help fix and guide people to a better future...
Now that’s proper use of aggression!!😆👌
This video could've been 10 hours long and I would listen to every second. One of my favorite episodes, by and large.
I wish it was 10 hours long, man!
i didn’t even realize the 2 hours had already gone by until he said they had 10 minutes left.
So, by and large, what you’re saying is all other episodes suck? By and large.
@@marioestrada1579 I don't think that's what he's saying at all. But you can believe whatever you want to believe it's a free country for now.
@@jackmewhalle6937 it’s a reference to jbp Cathy Newman interview on channel 6, check it out
“Only young white men listen to you”
Me, a Hispanic woman
How dare you, lol!
And I am Turkish muslim girl.. although Ben Shapiro and Dave Rubin have very negative opinions about muslims which I don't agree with, I like listening them
TheLavanta86 Religion of peace. Hahahaha.
@@nerf7674 Yes it is :) thanks for stating the facts ;)
@@TheLavanta86 that was most certainly sarcasm imo
When you have Jordan Peterson sitting up and leaning forward like that you knows he’s happy asf lol.
When he mentioned how shaken up he gets after interviews, I wanted to hug him and make him choco chip cookies. He seems like a really sweet person, who just happens to be an intellectual boss!
What a conversation, man! THIS is what human dialogue and debate should look like! It makes you listen to both side, evaluate the opinion of both men and extract the important points at the end.
Host: Let's dumb the words and discussions down a bit for the viewers to reach a wider audience.
Jordan: Ok got it bro. The postmodernism construct has reached its metaphysical limitations, according to Nietzsche-though later adequately refuted by Dostoevsky......
This actually made me laugh audibly
I’m following along without a problem
Fantastic, you're not 75% of all English speakers
lol
😂😂😂 I like to pretend I understand an iota of what JP says
The fact 6.5million people have watched this, gives me extreme hope for the future of man kind
gives me no hope for the future of man kind
@Christian Alvarez wait it actually restores my faith in humanity because more people will become conservatives, and then because of that more liberals will become leftists. it will also radicalize more leftists meaning a revolution will happen quicker.
@Christian Alvarez i had already lost brain cells listening to this debate. so maybe thats why im acting a bit Pepega rn
@Christian Alvarez wdyt
@@shinybaldboy4384 no one cares about your opinion
"Do you know it or do you 'Google know it?'" -Peterson 2018. What a fantastic quote
Absolutely agree. 👍
Knowing something often means making an effort to arrive at a conclusion and being able to logically debate the topic.
Google knowing something often means very little effort was taken to arrive at a conclusion and unable to logically debate the topic.
The beauty of google knowing is that it is often fact checked by actual experts. Google knowing is better than actually knowing it because you can't inject your bias into the objective knowledge therein.
Hstevenson69 some times Google gives answers that paid to be at the top . I.e. News outlets
Which sometimes are false
Bob Ma brilliant.
What's the difference, either way someone told you whether book, Google, Word of mouth