A bit of a rant, but I think the main thing that rubbed me the wrong way was when they were trying to defend it by saying “it’s not ethnical anymore” (+ sales pitch of making it more approachable). Like it’s one thing to make a new product, open new stores, and use recipes that are common knowledge. But it seemed like the whole point of the product, what they see as the value add, was simply that it was de-“ethnicised” and playing into fears about its ‘weird origin/contents’. (Ironic considering literally everything/ingredients have to be in French in Quebec) Bubbleology while also profiting off it, was innovating the product and an actual service/shop (not just canned drinks). But crucially, it also situated itself within the broader culture phenomena of bubble tea, instead of trying to separate itself from it. Do I think Bobba is intrinsically more evil? No. Is it more stupid and alienating from a marketing perspective? Definitely. And I can’t deny finding it a bit deliciously ironic that it’s Quebecers trying to deny a cultural heritage. Tbh I can see why Bobba’s marketing strategy would work for Quebec and their cultural insularity, but maybe read the room/investors/tv when trying to get investment to break outside of there.
@@howmanybeansmakefive I hear you. Ultimately consumers will always vote with their wallets, so there may well be an appreciative western audience for their product, but I don’t think it poses any threat to Asian culture at all. So I’m happy for them to get on with marketing their westernised boba drink to their taeget audience and hope they overcome the hate they’ve received!
@@DonnieWong72 Yeah, thinking this is a genuine threat to Asian culture is a bit much, and if anything reflects the accuser's insecurity more than anything.
No not in the shop, we still don't know all the ingredients that go in these drinks. I have always been hesistant because of the lack opf transparency.
I think everyone regardless of ethnicity can open boba shop or Asian restaurant but the pitch was really irked me when the guy said "never quite sure about its contents.” wtf was that? The nuance gave that MSG racist stereotyping as if boba tea as asian culinary product is subpar and made using questionable ingredients
I’ve been drinking Boba for over 10 years and I still don’t know what is in it. Some places don’t even use tea or fruit, just milk and powder. Every time I go to a bubble tea shop, I am so confused. I don’t eat dairy, gluten or eggs, and every time I ask what is in the bubble tea, I can never get a straight answer.
Because there's no way of telling what ls in there🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷 go to these shops and you don't know what you are drinking...so they decided to list their ingredients...what's so hard about that concept?
It’s an extremely ridiculous argument. Imagine if Domino’s one day announced they’re making a non-Italian version of pizza, and that their pizza is better than the Italian version because “you’re never quite sure about its contents”. That’s an incredibly stupid marketing point. It’s not like every restaurant prints out their recipe and nutritional information for customers to see.
This is the equivelent of saying that we need to disrupt and change up the poutine scene. How angry would Quebec cutizens be if someone started a new resturant calling "cheddar cheese, yam fries and gravy" the new poutine.
I watched the full segment and I agree with Simu Liu. I am never going to buy from Bobba Company. "We are not sure of its content": What are they implying ? That they are going to make it better than other Asian bubble tea? "It's not an ethnical product anymore": What does that even mean ? Absolutely disrespectful.
I agree. I also find some boba problematic, which are these sugary Sirupy colourful balls, you never now how outrageously sweet they are and what they might be made of. But i you go to a good quality boba shop and choose tapioca boba, good tea, maybe milk, maybe sugar, .. What could you be worried of? I actually tell everyone that this is a good quality drink.
I find your comments as low IQ as Liu's. So you like authentic righ? so you go to Mexico to eat tacos and you go to China for kung pao, right? I wonder what is your background because your english makes me think you live in north america mmmmmm how authentic!
I don't think it's a necessary thing to constantly pay homage or call out where something originated from. If you think about it, we don't constantly trace back origins of like coffee or pizza or chai tea. The problem with this is they shouldn't have trampled over the origination of BOBA and make a pitch to say they're taking the ethnic part out of it and diss the original product to make theirs sound superior. Saying things like "questionable content" is a slapping Asians in the face and provoking fear that the original drink has really bad ingredients and shouldn't be consumed. You can be white and start your own boba company, just don't talk crap about the original drink.
@@DonnieWong72 I just watched it and you have a very fair response and good/valid points. I myself have issues with the sugary content of bubble tea and always opt for 0% sugar and minimal bubbles in my drink. There are always options with boba. I don't think it's wrong for these business partners to provide more options to the public. I had issues with how they made that pitch. The part where they said they're taking the ethnic out of the drink yet still calling it Boba but adding an extra "b" in the name left a bad taste in my mouth. It's like me taking Sushi and saying it's not healthy so I am going to replace the contents with veggies and make it with brown rice instead of white rice and taking the ethnic out of it and calling it Sushii with an extra "i". It's just a bad pitch.
I would say that the Asian companies did culturally appropriate. However it is important to consider the markets that boba entered and why it is now becoming a notable issue, some countries are more sensitive to cultural appropriation due to history. The America’s most notably are very sensitive to cultural appropriation. However many don’t understand what it is and that in order to be culture appropriation do you have to make a profit without giving credit. That thought extends to the issue where cultural appropriation is a very overused term because we will often say a random person walking down the street with a sombrero on their head or braids in their hair is cultural appropriation when it’s not. A lot of people just don’t understand that to be culture appropriation it requires there to be profit, if not it’s just cultural appreciation. Someone is just learning about of wearing something of another culture.
@@ilyaalister8193 is it also cultural appropriation when E & SE Asian boba companies don’t credit Taiwan? And what about S Asian and Middle Eastern companies? (We currently have all of those in the UK boba market)
@@DonnieWong72 yes, that is what i meant when I said that I believed that it was cultural appropriation. I will fix my comment to better clarify. Thank you.
@@DonnieWong72i think Hong Kong in general loves Taiwanese (and also Japanese) culture. So i like to think that im HKG people like to adopt things into their very diverse culture and make it their own. Extremely strictly speaking, cultural appropriation yes, but not in an offensive way. However if you take an Asian product and want to improve it by making it less Asian.. Yes, cultural appropriation and bad.
Your question on whether cultural appropriation applies in this case because of skin color is inappropriate, divisive and unnecessary. Chinese is Chinese regardless which island has shared cultural and cuisines. Hong Kong, Taiwan is all one Chinese.
@@Y2K-mx what about Chinese & Japanese - because the Chinese accuse the Japanese of taking a lot of things from Chinese culture - is that not cultural appropriation?
Malaysian here. 24% of our population is of Chinese descent. Many still speak Chinese (Cantonese, Mandarin, Hokkien etc) as their first language. Boba shops are everywhere. It is possible many have no idea of its origins but the question of cultural appropriation absolutely doesn't exist here. Agreed, it's marketing.
Bubble tea blew up like crazy the past few years. Boba shops have been around for decades in the US, with the early shops run by Taiwanese folks or they were popular chains from Taiwan. Now shops are in almost every shopping center. Many are actually Vietnamese boba tea places here. Thai restaurants will serve boba drinks as well. Everyone wants to jump in on the craze. Starbucks and Jack in the Box had them on their menu at some point. Not sure if they still do.
@@nallya9018 yes here in the UK some coffee chains also serve popping boba in juice, and that has virtually no relation to Taiwanese milk tea with tapioca!
yes we know that boba is universal now, it's just a matter of saying it's "not ethnical anymore." im not taiwanese/ chinese but how would you feel if someone said the same thing about food or something from your own culture???
But see that’s exactly Simu’s point. No trace of regard for the heritage. You learned about the history of boba from Bubbleology because, despite being non-Taiwanese, he conferred due reverence.
@@danidavidchan yes it was very nice of Khan to do this, but no other shop I’ve seen has done this, yet nobody had an issue with them. And just as Vivien and Howard Wong took the Japanese out of mochi to make a fortune selling Little Moons to the western consumer, I have no issue with it. The white customers who would buy that popping boba in alcoholic juice wouldn’t drink tapioca milk tea, just as most of us wouldn’t consume their inauthentic products. I don’t demand reverence from brands
Honestly, no is because Simu Liu has a black and decker rice cooker OK and that is an American company rice cooker if he said only rice cooker are Asian product he would have a tiger rice cooker or a torishiba or any Asian rice cooker my point is that it’s a cultural appreciation to have other companies they’re not from Asia to make a product or a food item matter fact, so I don’t think it is a culture appropriation but instead a culture appreciation thank you
Don't act like east Asians don't share roots. At one point we were all the same country we can trust each other to enjoy and innovate the product without exploiting racist stereotypes to get ahead.
I think maybe the term 'cultural appropriation' could have been avoided - it has a lot of mixed feelings. It creates a sound bite now that is loaded with mixed feelings... since for many years foods have been shared, fusioned, etc. There are all kinds of people making pasta claiming its Italian, Mexicans cooking at Chinese restaurants, tacos of all kinds, sushiritos, and boba drinks popping up at fast food chains, etc. However, with that said a lot of what he said aside from that I also resonated with. There just seemed a general lack of respect from the people pitching and thinking they created a new or better product when they didn't. And please don't hate on popping boba - I love them!
Of course not! Bobba has become the scapegoat to all the racism that Asians have faced. We don't have a space, especially in Hollywood, (the most powerful media that influences the world) to express our dreams, beliefs and how we deeply feel. Can you imagine all the pent-up rejection, exclusion and disrespect? In fact, Simu Liu should be asking Hollywood, "Where's the respect for our culture?"
I feel so bad for Bobba because many Asians are making them the scapegoat for all the racism we’ve experienced. Can you imagine all those pent-up feelings of rejection, exclusion, and disrespect? One of the biggest problems is that we don’t have a space in Hollywood (the most powerful media that influences the way Asians are perceived by society), where we can express our dreams, our struggles, our philosophies, and how we deeply feel about things.
Joseph Priestly was a British chemist who invented soda. Never heard the British cry culture appropriation when others made ther own version. Seriously, hope most asians don't support this mindset....I thought asians are smarter then this.
Here I am nodding, thinking, “ok interesting, good thought" until he is against coriander in ramen. I I'd generically call it noodle soup and not ramen, but don't single out and attack my beloved coriander!
Don’t agree with his take on the product, Asia take other people product and enhance it or change it. No one stops them. Now someone is trying to do it to them and benefit from a creation. I see nothing wrong with the approach… the head scratcher is that Sumí Liu needs to remember he is Asian that has benefited many times from him being on the other side of that.
Makes no sense, British actors are acting in American roles. Black Americans are playing the African roles. Most people can’t even tell the difference between each East Asians. Bet you didn’t know he was not Korean until you googled it.
gurl please- actors and actresses do that all the time. they play a character that's not from their country, they play a character that's a different age, they play a character from a different background. it's called acting, do more research and watch more tv ig
When you're an up-and-coming actor/actress You can't really be picky or choosy. I'm sure he had to work really hard to get that role. When I tried acting they would only allow me to audition for roles that were Asian and not for any other culture. However now that Simu's "made it," he has an opportunity to use his voice. I agree with him. It is a very distinctly and asian drink. They should have brought the Taiwanese partner to the pitch. Instead of talking about him third person.
What are you talking about he grew up in Canada. What clothes is he supposed to wear and what language is he supposed to speak. Also hint Canada and US have similar clothing food and language… 🤯
well ..............about time asians start to speak their mind , be it bad or good , lol , look at the blacks , train from young to be vocal and not to be bully by others
Imagine if company said that they going change everything about lunar New Year and make it better by removing anything anything that Asian about it made into something to make white people are more familiar with.
The problem with their pitch was that they were creating a solution to a problem that did not exist. Simu never talked about the people serving the drink, he's talking about the product itself. "never quite sure about its contents....healthier, better". yikes.
@@DonnieWong72 you need to include the full video, business pitch, everything. There’s no issue with ppl serving or selling boba, it’s food. The problem is that they’re presenting their product while blasting the original product. Feels like MSG era, I’m sure you were old enough to remember that.
Thank you for putting common sense first. Every person has the right to decide how to market their product and every person has the right to buy it or not. I can't believe the bullies that have forced Bobba to issue an apology for their style of marketing, their expression, their own unique form of artistry. This is a form of fascism, if you ask me.
"fascism" my ass. as if the government has anything to do with it. this is all about the way they are claiming "boba" is theirs by saying they invented it and saying it's "not ethnical anymore". then nobody comments abt italians complaining about how pizza is ruined (e.g pineapple pizza etc) bruh
@@Kat-fq1dh I was using fascism as a figure of speech to describe a person who tells other people what to do and takes away their freedom of expression and their right of life and liberty. Did Bobba say they invented bubble tea, or did they say they changed it? Do you understand what marketing is? I’ve never seen an Italian make a formal statement that people should stop making their version of pizza, but I’ve seen videos of Italian people expressing their opinion that pineapple on pizza is gross. Big difference my friend. I think when he said that bubble tea isn’t ethnic anymore, I thought he meant that everybody, including Starbucks, is marketing and consuming bubble tea, because we are living in a global society and we share each other’s customs and guess what, that’s a good thing!
Hold up...Bobba tea is already widely available in canned form, and unless you know Mandarin, good luck reading about the Chinese heritage on the can 😂 virtue signaling nonsense
The man who claimed they were ''appropriating his culture'' is not from Taiwan, but from China, an imperialist supowerpower constantly looking to annex Taiwan. Oh the irony.
Canned boba is already a thing in Southeast Asia. I don't oppose any innovation for a traditionally Taiwanese drink, but their messaging and marketing was really malicious, putting down Asian owned boba drinks by claiming Asian-made boba products are dubious with unknown ingredients. Also they claimed they invented popping boba in a can & alcoholic boba and said it is no longer ethnic. They did not, it was already a thing in many parts of Asia. That rubs people the wrong way.
@@coffeemug3009 it wasn’t the best pitch, like most of the flawed pitches on that programme. But you should watch my follow up video on undeclared ingredients
@@coffeemug3009 and yeah I’ve tried Chinese canned boba and it’s gross! But like Little Moons mochi ice cream balls in the UK, owned by a British HKer couple, they whitewashed it for the local market and presented their mochi as a western product, a wise move as it’s been a huge mainstream success and they’re making a fortune
@@DonnieWong72 well I'm from Southeast Asia, I know many awesome canned boba using fruit juice here, perhaps you have not encountered one you like. However, they never claim they invented popping boba here or their boba is 'better and healthier' than the Taiwanese version. There is this one company that branded their boba under a health and wellness product, they never bash the original boba recipe, it is simply an alternative for those who want to enjoy a healthier, less sugary boba. Same with mochi, here it is presented with Southeast Asian flavours like durian and cempedak (a variant of jackfruit), people love it. However, we all know mochi is of Japanese origin, no one is trying to claim they invented it or it is no longer ethnic.
@@coffeemug3009 I hear you. Unfortunately nervous and unprepared business pitchers often make impulsive claims under pressure which they would never publish in packaging or marketing promotions. Some of the products you mention may well also have been verbally touted to investors in boardrooms with dodgy claims. This is why Dragons Den is often an entertaining car crash, and I think it’s sad how the pair have been treated as a result of their fumbled performance, because we are all fallible under pressure
A bit of a rant, but I think the main thing that rubbed me the wrong way was when they were trying to defend it by saying “it’s not ethnical anymore” (+ sales pitch of making it more approachable). Like it’s one thing to make a new product, open new stores, and use recipes that are common knowledge. But it seemed like the whole point of the product, what they see as the value add, was simply that it was de-“ethnicised” and playing into fears about its ‘weird origin/contents’. (Ironic considering literally everything/ingredients have to be in French in Quebec)
Bubbleology while also profiting off it, was innovating the product and an actual service/shop (not just canned drinks). But crucially, it also situated itself within the broader culture phenomena of bubble tea, instead of trying to separate itself from it.
Do I think Bobba is intrinsically more evil? No. Is it more stupid and alienating from a marketing perspective? Definitely. And I can’t deny finding it a bit deliciously ironic that it’s Quebecers trying to deny a cultural heritage. Tbh I can see why Bobba’s marketing strategy would work for Quebec and their cultural insularity, but maybe read the room/investors/tv when trying to get investment to break outside of there.
@@howmanybeansmakefive I hear you. Ultimately consumers will always vote with their wallets, so there may well be an appreciative western audience for their product, but I don’t think it poses any threat to Asian culture at all. So I’m happy for them to get on with marketing their westernised boba drink to their taeget audience and hope they overcome the hate they’ve received!
@@DonnieWong72 Yeah, thinking this is a genuine threat to Asian culture is a bit much, and if anything reflects the accuser's insecurity more than anything.
No not in the shop, we still don't know all the ingredients that go in these drinks. I have always been hesistant because of the lack opf transparency.
I think everyone regardless of ethnicity can open boba shop or Asian restaurant but the pitch was really irked me when the guy said "never quite sure about its contents.” wtf was that? The nuance gave that MSG racist stereotyping as if boba tea as asian culinary product is subpar and made using questionable ingredients
I’ve been drinking Boba for over 10 years and I still don’t know what is in it. Some places don’t even use tea or fruit, just milk and powder. Every time I go to a bubble tea shop, I am so confused. I don’t eat dairy, gluten or eggs, and every time I ask what is in the bubble tea, I can never get a straight answer.
@@SwimmerPrince it often is - I made a new video about the boba boycott that took place in HK over dangerous ingredients which I will post shortly
Because there's no way of telling what ls in there🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷 go to these shops and you don't know what you are drinking...so they decided to list their ingredients...what's so hard about that concept?
It’s an extremely ridiculous argument. Imagine if Domino’s one day announced they’re making a non-Italian version of pizza, and that their pizza is better than the Italian version because “you’re never quite sure about its contents”.
That’s an incredibly stupid marketing point. It’s not like every restaurant prints out their recipe and nutritional information for customers to see.
@@AndorranStairway pls watch my follow up video where I dissect this issue in depth
This is the equivelent of saying that we need to disrupt and change up the poutine scene. How angry would Quebec cutizens be if someone started a new resturant calling "cheddar cheese, yam fries and gravy" the new poutine.
I watched the full segment and I agree with Simu Liu. I am never going to buy from Bobba Company.
"We are not sure of its content": What are they implying ? That they are going to make it better than other Asian bubble tea?
"It's not an ethnical product anymore": What does that even mean ?
Absolutely disrespectful.
@@a.d8022 pls watch my other video about undisclosed ingredients
I agree. I also find some boba problematic, which are these sugary Sirupy colourful balls, you never now how outrageously sweet they are and what they might be made of. But i you go to a good quality boba shop and choose tapioca boba, good tea, maybe milk, maybe sugar,
.. What could you be worried of? I actually tell everyone that this is a good quality drink.
I find your comments as low IQ as Liu's. So you like authentic righ? so you go to Mexico to eat tacos and you go to China for kung pao, right? I wonder what is your background because your english makes me think you live in north america mmmmmm how authentic!
No stop acting clueless and willfully stupid come on now
I don't think it's a necessary thing to constantly pay homage or call out where something originated from. If you think about it, we don't constantly trace back origins of like coffee or pizza or chai tea. The problem with this is they shouldn't have trampled over the origination of BOBA and make a pitch to say they're taking the ethnic part out of it and diss the original product to make theirs sound superior. Saying things like "questionable content" is a slapping Asians in the face and provoking fear that the original drink has really bad ingredients and shouldn't be consumed. You can be white and start your own boba company, just don't talk crap about the original drink.
@@Virginia-v5e I posted another long video after this one on their claims about ingredients
@@DonnieWong72 I just watched it and you have a very fair response and good/valid points. I myself have issues with the sugary content of bubble tea and always opt for 0% sugar and minimal bubbles in my drink. There are always options with boba. I don't think it's wrong for these business partners to provide more options to the public. I had issues with how they made that pitch. The part where they said they're taking the ethnic out of the drink yet still calling it Boba but adding an extra "b" in the name left a bad taste in my mouth. It's like me taking Sushi and saying it's not healthy so I am going to replace the contents with veggies and make it with brown rice instead of white rice and taking the ethnic out of it and calling it Sushii with an extra "i". It's just a bad pitch.
@@Virginia-v5e fair enough - more than half the contestants make terrible pitches under the pressure of Dragons Den, and they spoke poor English too
Bobba is a Taiwanese invention, Liu is a Harbin Chinese who plays Koreans on tv, he's appropriating as much as the people he accuses.
Canned popping boba tea has been available for ages......canned boba tea has been around for a while too just not always as good
I would say that the Asian companies did culturally appropriate. However it is important to consider the markets that boba entered and why it is now becoming a notable issue, some countries are more sensitive to cultural appropriation due to history. The America’s most notably are very sensitive to cultural appropriation. However many don’t understand what it is and that in order to be culture appropriation do you have to make a profit without giving credit.
That thought extends to the issue where cultural appropriation is a very overused term because we will often say a random person walking down the street with a sombrero on their head or braids in their hair is cultural appropriation when it’s not. A lot of people just don’t understand that to be culture appropriation it requires there to be profit, if not it’s just cultural appreciation. Someone is just learning about of wearing something of another culture.
@@ilyaalister8193 is it also cultural appropriation when E & SE Asian boba companies don’t credit Taiwan? And what about S Asian and Middle Eastern companies? (We currently have all of those in the UK boba market)
@@DonnieWong72 yes, that is what i meant when I said that I believed that it was cultural appropriation. I will fix my comment to better clarify. Thank you.
@@ilyaalister8193 thank you too!
@@DonnieWong72i think Hong Kong in general loves Taiwanese (and also Japanese) culture. So i like to think that im HKG people like to adopt things into their very diverse culture and make it their own.
Extremely strictly speaking, cultural appropriation yes, but not in an offensive way.
However if you take an Asian product and want to improve it by making it less Asian.. Yes, cultural appropriation and bad.
@@MsIdiditagain see my latest video about Little Moons mochi ice cream
Your question on whether cultural appropriation applies in this case because of skin color is inappropriate, divisive and unnecessary. Chinese is Chinese regardless which island has shared cultural and cuisines. Hong Kong, Taiwan is all one Chinese.
@@Y2K-mx what about Chinese & Japanese - because the Chinese accuse the Japanese of taking a lot of things from Chinese culture - is that not cultural appropriation?
Malaysian here. 24% of our population is of Chinese descent. Many still speak Chinese (Cantonese, Mandarin, Hokkien etc) as their first language. Boba shops are everywhere. It is possible many have no idea of its origins but the question of cultural appropriation absolutely doesn't exist here. Agreed, it's marketing.
Bubble tea blew up like crazy the past few years. Boba shops have been around for decades in the US, with the early shops run by Taiwanese folks or they were popular chains from Taiwan. Now shops are in almost every shopping center. Many are actually Vietnamese boba tea places here. Thai restaurants will serve boba drinks as well. Everyone wants to jump in on the craze. Starbucks and Jack in the Box had them on their menu at some point. Not sure if they still do.
@@nallya9018 yes here in the UK some coffee chains also serve popping boba in juice, and that has virtually no relation to Taiwanese milk tea with tapioca!
yes we know that boba is universal now, it's just a matter of saying it's "not ethnical anymore." im not taiwanese/ chinese but how would you feel if someone said the same thing about food or something from your own culture???
@@Kat-fq1dh popping boba is indeed not Taiwanese but newly innovated mass produced garbage we wouldn’t touch 😂
But see that’s exactly Simu’s point. No trace of regard for the heritage. You learned about the history of boba from Bubbleology because, despite being non-Taiwanese, he conferred due reverence.
@@danidavidchan yes it was very nice of Khan to do this, but no other shop I’ve seen has done this, yet nobody had an issue with them. And just as Vivien and Howard Wong took the Japanese out of mochi to make a fortune selling Little Moons to the western consumer, I have no issue with it. The white customers who would buy that popping boba in alcoholic juice wouldn’t drink tapioca milk tea, just as most of us wouldn’t consume their inauthentic products. I don’t demand reverence from brands
Honestly, no is because Simu Liu has a black and decker rice cooker OK and that is an American company rice cooker if he said only rice cooker are Asian product he would have a tiger rice cooker or a torishiba or any Asian rice cooker my point is that it’s a cultural appreciation to have other companies they’re not from Asia to make a product or a food item matter fact, so I don’t think it is a culture appropriation but instead a culture appreciation thank you
Don't act like east Asians don't share roots. At one point we were all the same country we can trust each other to enjoy and innovate the product without exploiting racist stereotypes to get ahead.
I think maybe the term 'cultural appropriation' could have been avoided - it has a lot of mixed feelings. It creates a sound bite now that is loaded with mixed feelings... since for many years foods have been shared, fusioned, etc. There are all kinds of people making pasta claiming its Italian, Mexicans cooking at Chinese restaurants, tacos of all kinds, sushiritos, and boba drinks popping up at fast food chains, etc. However, with that said a lot of what he said aside from that I also resonated with. There just seemed a general lack of respect from the people pitching and thinking they created a new or better product when they didn't. And please don't hate on popping boba - I love them!
Before anyone makes such an accusation, they better make sure they themselves walk the talk. But he doesn't. He's just a woked-up hypocrite.
I personally don’t think Bobba deserved any of the vitriol they’ve received, but what do you think?
Of course not! Bobba has become the scapegoat to all the racism that Asians have faced. We don't have a space, especially in Hollywood, (the most powerful media that influences the world) to express our dreams, beliefs and how we deeply feel. Can you imagine all the pent-up rejection, exclusion and disrespect? In fact, Simu Liu should be asking Hollywood, "Where's the respect for our culture?"
I feel so bad for Bobba because many Asians are making them the scapegoat for all the racism we’ve experienced. Can you imagine all those pent-up feelings of rejection, exclusion, and disrespect? One of the biggest problems is that we don’t have a space in Hollywood (the most powerful media that influences the way Asians are perceived by society), where we can express our dreams, our struggles, our philosophies, and how we deeply feel about things.
@@timeismovingfaster I absolutely second that. Complete lack of media representation is the biggest injustice we face!
They don't get it you guys don't get it
Donnie I watched a few videos on this, and you had the most informative and balanced take. Just subbed. Cheers!
@@hansjuker8296 ah thank you for listening!
100% NO
Joseph Priestly was a British chemist who invented soda. Never heard the British cry culture appropriation when others made ther own version. Seriously, hope most asians don't support this mindset....I thought asians are smarter then this.
@@Orionwayz the smart ones are scared to speak up cos the new Boba Libs are such loud bullies!
@@DonnieWong72 yeah, always thought asian never fell in this nonesense. Its like seeing an allie jumping ship, so disapointed in Simu.
Here I am nodding, thinking, “ok interesting, good thought" until he is against coriander in ramen. I I'd generically call it noodle soup and not ramen, but don't single out and attack my beloved coriander!
@@MsIdiditagain don’t get me wrong, I love my carrot and coriander soup, but I’m quite a traditionalist 😂
@@DonnieWong72 I'm not very serious about it.
Just a little 😂
hmmm i dont even need to try it i know the boba sucks in it , tried a few bottle version
@@sdqsdq6274 yeah I tried Chinese canned boba tea before and it was revolting 😂
Don’t agree with his take on the product, Asia take other people product and enhance it or change it. No one stops them. Now someone is trying to do it to them and benefit from a creation. I see nothing wrong with the approach… the head scratcher is that Sumí Liu needs to remember he is Asian that has benefited many times from him being on the other side of that.
Sumi Liu is also from China, not Taiwan.
A bit ironic given China's open intent to appropriate Taiwan, litterally.
Simu Liu was born in China but was happy to play a Korean for multiple seasons on CBC sitcom Kim’s Convenience. A lousy hypocrite.
@@jeffmacarthur9722 great point!
Makes no sense, British actors are acting in American roles. Black Americans are playing the African roles. Most people can’t even tell the difference between each East Asians. Bet you didn’t know he was not Korean until you googled it.
@@Precious.ugbodu boba liberals like Simu cry cultural appropriation when it suits them but don’t apply the same rules to their own culture
gurl please- actors and actresses do that all the time. they play a character that's not from their country, they play a character that's a different age, they play a character from a different background. it's called acting, do more research and watch more tv ig
When you're an up-and-coming actor/actress You can't really be picky or choosy. I'm sure he had to work really hard to get that role. When I tried acting they would only allow me to audition for roles that were Asian and not for any other culture. However now that Simu's "made it," he has an opportunity to use his voice. I agree with him. It is a very distinctly and asian drink. They should have brought the Taiwanese partner to the pitch. Instead of talking about him third person.
Why was the business pitch cut? That was the biggest red flag.
They deserve to fail for such a stupid presentation. I hope they'll learn from this.
I bet Simu didn't think twice about adopting American food, clothing, language ...
What are you talking about he grew up in Canada. What clothes is he supposed to wear and what language is he supposed to speak. Also hint Canada and US have similar clothing food and language… 🤯
@@Precious.ugbodu Well maybe now you will understand Bobba's position. How are they supposed to make a living? How are they going to pay their bills?
@@Kyrelel neither did he think twice about taking a Korean lead role from Korean actors 😂
Nor does he seem to have any problem with claiming ownership of something from Taiwan, while he is from China.
well ..............about time asians start to speak their mind , be it bad or good , lol , look at the blacks , train from young to be vocal and not to be bully by others
This guy is so wrong , lol woke actor get a life
Imagine if company said that they going change everything about lunar New Year and make it better by removing anything anything that Asian about it made into something to make white people are more familiar with.
The problem with their pitch was that they were creating a solution to a problem that did not exist. Simu never talked about the people serving the drink, he's talking about the product itself.
"never quite sure about its contents....healthier, better". yikes.
@@herewegoagain7403 look out for my next video on this very subject, which I’m posting shortly
@@DonnieWong72 you need to include the full video, business pitch, everything. There’s no issue with ppl serving or selling boba, it’s food. The problem is that they’re presenting their product while blasting the original product. Feels like MSG era, I’m sure you were old enough to remember that.
@@herewegoagain7403 pls watch my follow up video where I address this issue in depth
Thank you for putting common sense first. Every person has the right to decide how to market their product and every person has the right to buy it or not. I can't believe the bullies that have forced Bobba to issue an apology for their style of marketing, their expression, their own unique form of artistry. This is a form of fascism, if you ask me.
"fascism" my ass. as if the government has anything to do with it. this is all about the way they are claiming "boba" is theirs by saying they invented it and saying it's "not ethnical anymore". then nobody comments abt italians complaining about how pizza is ruined (e.g pineapple pizza etc) bruh
@@Kat-fq1dh I was using fascism as a figure of speech to describe a person who tells other people what to do and takes away their freedom of expression and their right of life and liberty. Did Bobba say they invented bubble tea, or did they say they changed it? Do you understand what marketing is? I’ve never seen an Italian make a formal statement that people should stop making their version of pizza, but I’ve seen videos of Italian people expressing their opinion that pineapple on pizza is gross. Big difference my friend. I think when he said that bubble tea isn’t ethnic anymore, I thought he meant that everybody, including Starbucks, is marketing and consuming bubble tea, because we are living in a global society and we share each other’s customs and guess what, that’s a good thing!
Hold up...Bobba tea is already widely available in canned form, and unless you know Mandarin, good luck reading about the Chinese heritage on the can 😂 virtue signaling nonsense
@@bernlin2000 they never credit Taiwan… in fact it’s not even a country to them 😭
The man who claimed they were ''appropriating his culture'' is not from Taiwan, but from China, an imperialist supowerpower constantly looking to annex Taiwan.
Oh the irony.
Canned boba is already a thing in Southeast Asia. I don't oppose any innovation for a traditionally Taiwanese drink, but their messaging and marketing was really malicious, putting down Asian owned boba drinks by claiming Asian-made boba products are dubious with unknown ingredients. Also they claimed they invented popping boba in a can & alcoholic boba and said it is no longer ethnic. They did not, it was already a thing in many parts of Asia. That rubs people the wrong way.
@@coffeemug3009 it wasn’t the best pitch, like most of the flawed pitches on that programme. But you should watch my follow up video on undeclared ingredients
@@coffeemug3009 and yeah I’ve tried Chinese canned boba and it’s gross! But like Little Moons mochi ice cream balls in the UK, owned by a British HKer couple, they whitewashed it for the local market and presented their mochi as a western product, a wise move as it’s been a huge mainstream success and they’re making a fortune
@@DonnieWong72 well I'm from Southeast Asia, I know many awesome canned boba using fruit juice here, perhaps you have not encountered one you like. However, they never claim they invented popping boba here or their boba is 'better and healthier' than the Taiwanese version. There is this one company that branded their boba under a health and wellness product, they never bash the original boba recipe, it is simply an alternative for those who want to enjoy a healthier, less sugary boba. Same with mochi, here it is presented with Southeast Asian flavours like durian and cempedak (a variant of jackfruit), people love it. However, we all know mochi is of Japanese origin, no one is trying to claim they invented it or it is no longer ethnic.
@@coffeemug3009 I hear you. Unfortunately nervous and unprepared business pitchers often make impulsive claims under pressure which they would never publish in packaging or marketing promotions. Some of the products you mention may well also have been verbally touted to investors in boardrooms with dodgy claims. This is why Dragons Den is often an entertaining car crash, and I think it’s sad how the pair have been treated as a result of their fumbled performance, because we are all fallible under pressure