The NBA Rookie of The Year Race Is UNFAIR!!
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- Опубліковано 2 гру 2023
- The NBA Rookie of The Year Race Is UNFAIR according to Gilbert Arenas as he and the Gil's Arena Crew discuss the early seasons of Victor Wembanyama & Chet Holmgren and debate whether or not Chet should be considered a rookie despite playing way out of his age group.
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His whole take collapsed on itself when they said he’s playing 30 minutes a game 😂😂😂
We all get nervous when Rashad volunteers that he has a wild take
😂😂😂 he’s always so wrong bruh
@@Isaiahsneaux22 and belligerent… I’ll never forgive myself for trying to rationalize any of his “Greg Popovich is a bad coach” take.
@@platinumboy89he had some valid points
Gil go sign with the lakers 1yr deal 14mill
McCants saying they restrict Vic’s mins to make him not look like a bust is just about the dumbest thing I ever heard this man say 😂
I hate this man😂😂😂
Why's it wrong ? Break it down to me since you know more than McCants.
@@Bob-te3le because that’s never happened in the entire history of the nba, r u ok?
The age group thing is wild to me , nobody was giving Lebron a pass because he was young . Had to play against Kobe , Tim , KG. We still expected him to put up or shut up. #1 pick your expectations elevated
No one gave a pass 🙄
Yea these mf dick riding wemby so hard. When did the rookie of the year award turn into a specific age group 😂😂😂
Wemby has better numbers than Chet
@@kylinmooney167 I get that . Doesn’t change my point . Wemby literally has the worst 3pt pct in the league . 2 mins into the convo K-mart start making excuses for that
Fax
Mccants with another terrible take per usual bro just chattin😭
Straight up terrible
I’m like wtf is he talking bout 😭🤦🏾♂️
Crazy how nobody felt this way when Blake was in the same situation as Chet
A lot of people were saying the same thing. With Ben Simmons too.
EVERYBODY did.
Yes they did. Like they did with Ben Simmons as well
@3self no that's rookie of year award not comparing age of players
Blake Griffin was just miles better than John Wall at the time, but people did mention it with Ben Simmons and Donovan Mitchell.
The Gils Arena cast is also sleeping on JJJ from Miami as a rookie! Even though hes older, his play is extremely solid!
Jaime doing good dont get me wrong but PLEASEEE tell me what he can realistically do that would put him past chet and Wemby. He would have to outplay the hype of Wemby on top of the production and shooting % of Chet. Unless Chet and Wemby get hurt a bunch rest of the season, again, Jaime has been good, but theres no way he gets any serious vote for roy. Respect on his name yes, but roy votes absolutely not.
Also sleeping on young dude for pelicans
Lol
Just like #itiswhatitis
Its because this take was from 2 months ago and Gil is stepping on his product like this is a fresh take playing UA-cam monetization games. I would love to see JJJ win ROY while coming off the bench that would be sick
the age thing i agree with, but the award just doesnt work that way. its not the “best 19 year old” award, its rookie. regardless of age until 23 or whatever
People get drafted at different ages... but Chet was still from a whole different class so he got more NBA experience then everyone in the 2023 draft class. Within the NBA rules Chet is still eligible but many believe that rule is dumb af and I agree.
@@MarquisVeganhe’s from a whole different class and didn’t play one second last season. While Wemby was playing pro ball last year Chet was healing and then rehabbing from a major injury.
@@tcincali9642 So what… Chet was still in the NBA adjusting to how the way it operates dude im not about to repeat what was literally said in the video. Gil, K-mart and McCants all spoke on it and they all spoke facts.
@@MarquisVegan they’re basing it off age. So because Brandon Miller got drafted at 21 he already should be on the level of Anthony Edwards right now…be for real
@@tcincali9642 Yes he should be but he not. Gil broke this down how the NBA operates and Chet fanboys in the UA-cam chat and comment section talking as if he don’t know what he talking about. Yea my guy please let’s get real. 😂
Gil always approaches these debates like development is a guaranteed thing. Derrick Rose, Tyreke Evans, Brandon Jennings, etc. Things happen and there’s no guarantee guys will ever hit their projected peaks.
You’re just giving exceptions to the rule right there
its not like those dudes just fell off a cliff for no reason, injuries happen
Add Michael Carter-Willams
@@joshvue2467was never on wemby level
@@karithema9ician657 ROY 17ppg 6rpg 6 apg... Seemed legit at the time!
Chet at 17ppg as a 3rd option meaning he has better players to play with. Okc was almost in the play-in tournament. Wemby is the best player on the worst team last year. Averaging 19ppg as the focal point of the defense. Idk we shall see
So if wemby is the 3rd option on the team he would avg less points coz being 3rd option means less opportunities. Its not rocket science. When KLove was on a bad wolves team he avg 25ppg 15rebs. He went to cavs as 3rd option he barely made 20pts
Ya watching these games? Chet is literally 2nd option. Giddey don’t even score anymore, and J. Williams looks like the same player as last year 3rd option.
gil literally has a terrible take because he is using age, the team is using wemby as their best player. okc has chet behind sga giddey n williams ! chet played organized basketball his whole life different from victor playing w a system his whole life!
@@beastboy6016age equates to experience
@@captaindarling9805 what i mean is victor has had pro experiences his whole life
Is mccants trying to get sued by Jordan first the fake shoes now the air mccants with Jordan’s logo
The funny thing is I was watching this episode on my TV I had to look it up on my phone see if anybody was talking about his shoes what the hell is them ugly ass MF man smh
At 21 Chet is averaging the same amount of points as Dirk Nowitzki with better shooting splits.Small sample size but the game is there.
What's crazy is he's averaging 2 pts less than Wemby by taking 5 less shots
@@life-pm5xlthats not crazy, put SGA as spurs PG and wemby will be alley ooping to a 70% fg or SGA will be doing 40ppg becoz wemby getting double teamed alot. They are not o the same planet
This video got me to subscribe. The insight was amazing. A wrinkle to the game I never even thought about
Jaime jaquez coming for them both
Lol he mid
He is good brother, leave him be in next 4 years you'd be shocked!
Why isn't anyone talk about how Chet has battled back from a major injury to do what he's doing?
And giving his team an elite Center role, tactical tool and spacing
doesnt fit the narrative. The NBA needs Wemby to be better
@@Chancemorgan44 Wemby is better. He is leading in points, Rebounds, and Blocks.
Probably because most of these media people bet on Wemby and so they need him to win
@@RJCE420nope. Chet is better. Turned his tanking team around to #1 in the stacked west. Why can’t wemby turn his team around like Chet?
Wemby gets double triple team cause he's the main guy on his team meanwhile chets not even the best player on his team with an experienced playoff caliber team and superstar level MVP teammate like sga which leaves him open a lot (higher shooting percentage) since he's not the main priority. One guy is joining a just recent tanking team that won 22 games a years ago and the other is joining a play in team not to mention chets not even a rookie dude had a years worth of knowledge under him and he's 21. Also wemby is still adjusting to the rules and differences in the NBA cause in the euro league he played in its more defensive minded, three point line is closer, court is shorter, fouls are called differently etc. so the challenges of wemby are harder and should be taken to consideration.
Exactly
Don’t nobody triple team that man lol😂
@@tee9753 You obviously one of those casuals who just watch 2minutes highlights and never watched entire games
Naw, offensively it's not even close. Self-creation, setting up teammates, passing, more efficient closer to the rim, a better 3pt shooter, a better midrange, a better FT shooter. On the offensive side Chet clears Wemby and its not even close, even if you equalize for teams Chet is just a better shooter. ON BALL and not in transition Wemby does not look good while Chet excelling on everything.
Talking about a year in the NBA sitting on the sideline is kinda dumb when we glaze Luka for "playing against grown men" which Wemby was also doing in Europe. Playing against tough competition for a whole year is better than walking around in a moon boot.
@@jjopl Euro pro ball is still not the same as the NBA… nah we not doing that. Wemby stats overall clear him. Offensively Wemby is edging Chet but defensively Wemby clear Chet by far. Wemby is better now even though he younger and on a worse team. He definitely will be better than Cher in their prime. Chet will forever be in Wemby’s shadow.
"Giannis wont be an MVP or champion in Milwaukee"- Gilbert
Gianni got bent by Tatum twice, Jimmy, and Kawhi
@@t-raw4316Don’t matter has a ring and a finals MVP in Milwaukee he’s a made man period. Tatum and butler have neither 🤣🤣
@@blakemcmahon6539 bahahahhaha love how you ignored kawhi tho 😂😂😂😂 khawhi bent that man over and showed him the 50 states. Utter beat down. Giannis is a choke artist he’s actually lucky d book injured his hamstring in the finals the suns were destroying the cucks
@@blakemcmahon6539stupid take. Lol
@@captaindarling9805nah W take. Man only speaks facts. Tatum or butler haven't won 💩
In 2018 Ben Simmons won rookie of the year over Tatum & Donovan Mitchell… they need to stop with that injury exception and keep it a ROOKIE award.🥉🥈🥇
Wemby has Sochan running the point most of the time because of the experiment. Sochan said that this year is the first time he has ever played as PG, because his natural position is PF. The Spurs experiment is interesting and I hope it pays off in the future. I highly doubt Sochan will remain as PG in the future tho, Spurs will probably draft a PG next year.
Yes this is the way Pop gets another lottery pick for that all star guard he needs to pair with Victor.
They did the same sh** with Mitchell and Ben Simmons.
Ben won Rookie of the Year with 1 Year in the NBA already.
Say what you want but being in the team, practice, coaches, therapy, understanding the plays, chemistry with the team, handling the transition into a new team, etc - it all makes a HUGE DIFFERENCE for a player.
Chet shouldn’t even be mentioned. He was injured his rookie year - oh well, life is tough, keep it moving.
Good conversation!
I don't think they understood the question. They're comparing Chet to Wemby when the question is saying situation. I would much rather be in Chet's situation because of the team around him. I can't fault the player to where he gets drafted to and the moves the team has made before he got there. But if the question was who would u rather have Chet or Wemby then Id no doubt go with Wemby. I would just rather be in Chet's situation which is what the question is.
He literally said he rather be in Wemby situation because he would want to be the player who is better and younger.
@@MarquisVeganhe’s not better he’s a fucking bum who loss 12 games in a row 😂
Okc trying to win now when wemby is 21 the spurs will be trying to win then and he’ll be a better player then Chet was at 21
@@MarquisVegani think Chet is a little better. They average almost the same and Chet is taking 5 less shots. Lol
@@MarquisVegan Saying Wemby because he is better and younger isn't comparing situations. That's again strictly comparing him to Chet. By situations I mean the team that is built around him. Who his teammates are. It has nothing to do with Chet vs Wemby individually. That's why I think they misunderstood the question. I would ofc rather be Wemby because of the age and skillset no doubt but thats completely different in terms of the situation around him
what everyone seems to forget is that chet is still creating offense himself. Its not like all of his buckets are completely feed to him. It's just the hating because they wanted Wemby to be amazing
Wemby is amazing
Wemby is better than Chet
Facts Chet was playing against highschool kids 2 years ago wembanyama been playing against grown men getting paid since he was 15 wembanyama at 21 will be a better player but so will Chet wat will be the argument then #Hate
Wemby is amazing wether you prefer chet or not so wtf is there to hate on. Chet has an advantage in age 21-18, teammates SGA (All NBA) & also NBA experience being a redshirt rookie. & yet Wemby leading all rookies in every category but assist & %. Playing both sides of the court & all.
@@necessary248 his counting stats are going to be better because he’s going to have that volume. Rn Chet is the better player. He’s amazing on defense and just as amazing on O. You guys are glorifying the fact that he is the number 1 option instead of looking at who’s having a better impact
Just keep the camera on KMart face when McCant is speaking, Got Damn comedy gold. Kmart is so real, that he makes "Real" question itself. lol
Chet got a be around OKC, for a full year, even though he wasn't playing, they were preparing him for the following year.
Cry
Facts
This is not the first time this has happened. For years and years players have been hurt early and got to go for rookie of the year their second year. Keep in mind also Chet did not play any ball much of the last year.
@@robbyrobinson4500 I know, I've always thought it should count against the player.
I mean, if Julius Randle is considered a rookie after only 14 minutes on opening night.
Sitting out an entire year preparing for the following season should be your official rookie year.
He waa hurt
Sengun the best 21 yr old. He avg 21 9 and 5
He's balling. Watch out for him.
Man dude is baby Jokic. And him , Jalen Green and Amen Thompson is gonna be a problem trio in a couple years.
Nobody complained like this when blake did this he first actual year playing for the clippers. People move the goalpost for who they like.
Noo players didn’t have podcasts back then, that conversation was being had by the mainstream nba media entirely different ppl having the conversation
No one complained when Simmons did it either
everybody complained wtf are you saying???
everyone complained about Simmons lol. Mitchell is still salty@@bsny0390
Yes they did. With Ben Simmons as well.
Love it when Mccants got on the Shadow Hedgehog 12’s . They Classic 🤣💯💯💯💯
I FW sonic adventure 2 didnt know what those were
Somehow whenever specific metrics are used to compare. RM uses the 'there are many other things that affect' defense...but in other videos he refuses to accept this defense when it doesn't suit his purpose...
Wemby got no point guard. They have sochan, an unskilled defensive forward at Pg.
Every point wemby get is hard. San Antonio is failing that kid.
No they are not… playing Sochan at PG is a disgrace but they are definitely rebuilding this time to be dominant in the future. Wemby himself literally said this… that kid is far mature for his age and realize what the Spurs are doing. Stop thinking short term and think long term.
Like Trey jones whole family isn’t pure point guards😂
They are not failing him. Pop knows what he's doing. Remember San Antonio has 3 first round draft picks in the next draft. So if playing this way allows us to get another lottery pick to fill that all-star guard position we need while Victor learns the NBA game that is only wisdom. Build for the Championship not just play to make the playoffs.
Chet is a rookie no matter what you try to come up with. Having college experience is what more players need now so being older is an advantage
Typically I’d agree but you’re comparing them to normal kids in America and not the international players who have been playing against adults since they were kids. Luka came in more ready to play than any college kid cause he’s been playing organized professional ball since 15
Yes international play helps some but the amount of international players who became stars in this league are far fewer than people think. American kids need to go to college and learn team ball instead of being the best on their highschool team and thinking they’re ready.
Exactly, been like this for years and years. They don't want the white boy to get it. Lol. Just give it to Wimby
Okay. But You can’t deny that there advantages for being around the nba/team for a year before you play.
@@3self never been an issue till now
I think it’s way harder fa Chet to get numbers he’s on a lowkey stack’t team and wemby is having a mastermind coach and team built around him all resources tailor made for bro so ppl would rather be in wemby position but it’s way more impressive for Chet to be gettin the same numbers
Bro do you watch Spurs games? This team is not tailor made for him😭 he has a power forward who never played PG in his entire basketball life setting up the offense for him and they’re losing every game because of it. This team is literally terrible for Wemby’s skillset esp because they have an actual pg on the bench in Jones who they don’t start because they want to “experiment” with Sochan at Pg
Well Wemby plays in a team no PG. doesn’t help much.
Facts. They gotta push that Wemby narrative like he's the best basketball prospect ever.
@@robbinseason7608You mean the great coach Pop ain't doing a great job like McCants said. Go figure.
After your rookie year you aren’t judged off your age, your judged off of your position, and sometimes your height.
Chet is averaging 17 by shooting 12 shots per game vs Victor at 19ppg at 17 shots per game.
@user-ot5wl3qc3uso Chet doesn’t create his own shots??? Ntm Chet has a a better % on c&s shots
Last 2 game 6 from 15 that very bad
@user-ot5wl3qc3u Exactly
@user-ot5wl3qc3uAnd Wemby has the best coach in the world.
I actually Agree with the age concept that Gill is talking about. I remember when Dame came in to the league, and started making immediate impact in Portland as a rookie. I was looking at it like he’s one of them ones(which he is), but like Gill is saying he was supposed to do that. Especially when looking at it in the perspective of the team owners eyes. Dame did all 4 years in college, coming from a mid major. He had to get his numbers and make his impact immediately. If not his career wouldn’t have played out like it has at all. He was able to take the franchise from Lamarcus Aldridge & get a huge contract extension from Portland. Had he needed a few years to develop into an impactful PG in the league, already approaching his mid 20s they probably would have shipped him out.
Another example would be Steph Curry and Ricky Rubio
Cooper Flagg is an alltime special prospect just like Wemby was. Flagg is 2 years younger than Wemby just like Wemby is 2 years younger than Chet so is Gilbert and his crew taking Flagg over Wemby ? How about AJ Dybansta he's 3 years younger than Wemby.
@@Bob-te3le Your comment is disingenuous. Use some discernment. We currently see Wemby at age 19 proving his game translates over to the NBA well. Meanwhile they are still playing against high school competition. Once they hit the league then that convo can actually be had. And they are not the same level of prospect as Wemby 😂. He’s 7’4 with the abilities of a guard.
@@kamaujackson2121 don’t dignify that shit with a response , he know what the topic is about just moving the goal posts
@@Theguyyouknow34545 you’re right bro, but it was hard to ignore his ignorance lol. A lot of people tend to make counter arguments out of bias. I’m assuming he’s a Chet fan.
Both Ant and Lamelo are older than Chet, Barnes too. And they have a couple of seasons under their belt, so it's not a fair comparison either. Chet would have been MUCH better had he played last season.
Experience playing in the league matters. The earlier u start the better the advantage.
Good point. So, Chet’s numbers should be better. 🤔
Gil and the rest of the crew explain why it is rarely beneficial to play a talented youngster against younger competition. If anything, let the youngsters play against those older than them.
How can you leave out how long they’ve been in the league…it’s Chet’s first real year so comparing him to Lamelo and Ant isn’t real. Wemby is his competition
I think his point was that the rookie label only applies for one year. And sure, the older one can win ROY but it doesn't mean much. Because for the rest of their career, they will compared to players of the same age.
Because that's the point. At 19, he wasn't NBA ready. He was in college. it took him more time to develop and to get to the point Wemby is. And they don't play the same role in their roaster
Gotta flip it to push Wembys hype.
For Context Gilbert was a 16 year old senior when he was in High School. He ended the year at 17. He was killing 18 and 19 year olds so he wasn’t even close to his potential in HS so he knows exactly what he’s talking about. Gilbert had waaay more potential than the players in his group.
This really should be talked about more because there are a lot of kids in high school playing varsity against what should be college freshman or sophomores.
Whos 19 in high school ?
I appreciate Josiah actually telling them the facts an not letting them just say anything
Rashad got the 1 for 5 million talk.. knowing damn well if a team thinks your good enough theyll give you 10's of millions.. mitch was just being nice
Just let dude tell him anything
I thought the question was whose situation would you rather be in not who is better because this whole discussion seem like they was arguing who is better But to answer the original question I would rather be in Chet's situation because he is getting just as much attention but he's also on a championship caliber team
ye same, in the current makeup of the team, Chet's team has a chance to be quite good for a while. Wemby's team has yet to reach the point that we can even call them good so ye i'm with you
Give it a year. With San Antonio having three of their five players already in place and having 3 first round picks (one probably a lottery pick) in the next draft and plenty of free agency money I am betting they will make the Championship way faster than Oklahoma.@@Ahilliard44
Fellas, y’all changed my view on it…I didn’t think about it like that. Strong points. I’m taking VDub
Whemby is playing full time minutes lol Rashad be looking crazy but I get the dynamic of the show. Whatever first guy says they make him give different perspective
They aren't giving Chet nearly enough credit here. Hes playing winning basketball in his first NBA season for a really good team. That's not easy to do, he's easily the best player from his draft class right now
Playing winning basketball with a really good team, is easy to do. It’s tough to do it with a bad team cause now your offense is more focused on by the defense.
Yeah. People are just still stuck in the Victor Wembanyama hype dimension. Chet is the rookie of the year and I don't think it's that close.
The team was not a really good basketball team until chet joined.. But you can say cason wallace is making an impact also because he is but how much
It’s not his first season.
@@jen_nice2059 how many games have each of them played?
So if you’re a rookie at 21 we’re no longer comparing you to other rookies we’re comparing you to other 21 year olds regardless of how long they’ve been in the league?
Yup and it’s a fair assessment too… This segment they spoke all facts.
@@MarquisVegansound crazy asab
Yeah they sound stupid asf
I agree with the age thing but Spurs also need to get him a good distributor either in the upcoming draft or trade for one in offseason. This year trying to get your own shot helps his development now but having a bonafide PG could help develop him too.
50 40 90 in your rookie year is crazy. I dont care how much talent he has around him. He's making the shots, although he's open at a higher rate. Chet is in a better situation, and he's performing at an elite level for a 2nd year rookie.
Gill only cares bout points lmao
chet obviously should be front runner. Whether you think he shouldn’t be considered a rookie cuz he while he was hurt last year we seen Blake and Ben win the same. The age argument shit was retarted. It’s like they pulling straws to give it to wemby dude turn 20 in 2 days😭It’s still a lot basketball to played but if chet finish the season 17/8/2 blocks with the 50/40/90 splits cmon now. For any rookie that’s unheard.
Chet is not the front runner stop the cap.
Individual talent is the only thing that should be considered.
Chet doesn’t get double teamed due to playing with legit talent. Wemby gets doubled every night. Let’s stop. Those splits are due to his teammates as well.
@@Racoons4Change I’m looking individually and chet is up. Wemby box score numbers are a little higher but I could also say Chet would have more numbers if he played on a bum ass team. The efficiency is glaring regardless of what team. What other big is shooting his numbers. Maybe Kat? it’s plenty of dudes with good teammates that’s not doing what chet doing. Porzingas got better teammates than chet and he’s not doing this….Okc ain’t world beaters they just missed the playoffs last year. A big reason of why they good is cause of chet. They def help him out too but i wont knock what chet doing because something he ain’t got no control over and hes still outperforming vet all stars.
If Chet aint a rookie Wemby aint either. Ones been a pro for years one hasn't.
@@Bob-te3le lmao that’s a totally different league. Chet was in the NBA before Wemby.
bruh i burst out laughing when i realized Rashad's shoes .. lmfao
AirMcant shirt with the air Jordan logo is nasty lol
If we don't give excuses for players getting injured in the playoffs then we shouldn't give those same excuses for ROTY. I'm sorry bro, I agree with Kenyon and Gil. It's a dumb rule.
I'm cool if people dont like red shirts rookies but you cant dislike red shirt rookies then contradict yourself by saying compare players by age groups. Imagine thinking Chet and Wemby shouldn't be compared because one sat out his rookie season but then want Brandon Miller to be compared to Paolo because they the same age...Speaking of Paolo (Sengun maybe) hes the only 21 year old that is arguably better than Chet so Chet literally elite for his age group.
Facts. And why Gilbert compare to Chet to Anthony Edwards in game and age when Chet is literally in the middle of Edwards and Wembys age. He did that to make Chet look worse. And why did they hold it against Chet playing with Shai making his job easier and not hold it against Wemby being coached by the best basketball coach in the world in Coach Pop. Abd they keep pushing xhet ain't a normal rookie then Wrmby ain't a normal rookie he's been a pro for years being coached and trained by pros while Chets been in high school going to class and being coached by high school coaches. And a few months at Gonzaga with a great coach.
When was Luka destroying the league, they would say that's because he was a veteran player from Europe. With wemby, playing in europe does not matter anymore, is the "age group" that is important. They seems to change the narrative to fit theyr bias.
Facts.
K Mart has perfected the dramatic pause🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Chet doesn’t count. He had 2 full summer leagues and 2 pre seasons. Already had chemistry with Okc.
How he gaining chemistry not playing
@@camvole8806he just told you how
@@teeghee34how’s he getting chemistry if he was hurt? Wemby had preseason and summer league too
@@ItsYuhBoyyyygoing out with teammates to dinner and having fun builds chemistry not just on the court
Chet is deserving in every sense.
And if anything he started behind with SGA, Josh, his teammates that played that season and are now there with him. Besides the injury being a setback in general.
Wemby played pro ball fie twi or three years. That equayes to 2-3 years of college ball. Chet sat an entire year while Wemby worked on his game in real time, not just training and practice. They both have to get used to actually PLAYING in the NBA, because watching and playing in college and overseas are different from actually playing NBA games and seasons. I think long-term, Wemby will have the better career if he remains relatively healthy. But it would shock me if i am wrong. Short-term, it will be a toss up. But saying it's unfair to compare the two because of their age difference is being disingenuous. I would rather be in Chet's position as a rookie because he DOES have nore help and because the expectations for him aren't as high. Chet is expected to be a great player, while Wemby is being expected to eclipse LBJ. On the high end, i see Wemby as Tim Duncan. IDK what Chet can be yet.
Facts!!
State facts clown
No age is a great indicator after the rookie year we’re looking at age nobody is comparing Jabari smith to Keegan Murray anymore because we understand by their age who has more room for improvement.
@@iceek1778 what about the white boy josh with kids??????
@@Jbeeze82 huh
They’re forgetting here that the precedent has been set already. The same thing happened with Ben Simmons and Donovan Mitchell in 2018, and Ben Simmons won it even though he was basically red shirting the year before on injury
Rookie of the year and who you build around is different arena points and build around not rookie of the year point because age and potential is what u want to build around
Chet got better teammates , makes it way easier to play good
Gil alaways tries to pad the stats he wants like Chet being 3 years older, when he is about a year and a half older. If the shoe was in the other foot Gil never would have brought this video up but since a white dude has a a chance to outdue the prodigy black dude for rookie of the year he goes in to gaslight Chet. Chet is just doing his thing. Wemby is doing his thing. Chet is on the better team which is a plus and sometimes a minus, like when padding stats. Its hard when you are on a great team to inflate your numbers. Wemby was a pro in Europe so whats the deal Gil is crying about. Comparing shooting percentages, they try to downplay Chets vastly better percentages at every category. I see Wemby missing wide open 3's. So is if their hate is true, why is Chet so much better if a free throw shooter? That should be a fairly objective stat where no one is helping you or defending you, and Chet is smoking him at the stripe too. I think Wemby is the better talent but dont sh*t on Chet because hes a white dude outplaying Wemby on the statboard. How about showing love to both instead of keeping white dudes down.
Lmao look at you Chet fanboys rant because Gil spoke all facts. Making it about race is corny af. Hold this L for that asinine novel of a rant you just posted. Cope & seethe 🤣🤣🤣
@@MarquisVegan what facts? It was mostly if, if, if, if, if, if Wemby was this or that. They didnt say one positive thing about Chet nor act like he deserved to be in the running for ROY. I dont have issues with praising Wemby or saying hes the best rookie, but they came at it weird like Chet was the great white hope and on the better team and thats why hes being mentioned as a possible ROY. Only facts are from me. Seethe on that.
@@dougdickason Lmao facts coming from you? You are just a random guy trying to defend Chet because you salty about what they said. They spoke all facts and you have to deal with it. This whole segment was facts. 💯
@@MarquisVegan im not defending Chet so much as pointing out Gil and his groups biases against Chet. Thats a fact. Look at the title where it says, "the rookie of "the year race is- UNFAIR''. Its not, they are crying unfair because Chet is in competition with Wemby for the honor, and they should have pointed out the good and bad of each, but they only slanted Chet. What i just said is fact and if not, how so?
@@dougdickason Everything they said was valid and is the same thing I been saying this whole time. I don't even have to explain myself because all I will say is watch the video lmao. Lot of people was trying to paint a narrative on how Chet is ROTY right now but this panel just shut down bs argument down. The actual rookie who is Wemby is ROTY and he will win it by the way mark my words.
Since elementary we was always told to play up! If you playing at or under your age group you not him! 🤷♂️
They always say it’s easy to put up awesome numbers on bad teams. This is contradictory.
Maybe McCants was right about Pop not being a great coach. Know it all Gilbert himself said once Spurs and Pop gets Wemby they would be better than last year. And if Wemby is the best basketball prospect ever then why is the Spurs worse with him ! Chet has made the Thunder way better Wemby aint impacting Spurs at all besides the team record is worse.
Na y’all wrong y’all’s argument is flawed. Age has nothing to do with it. You basically say Wembanyama should get roy because you THINK he’ll be better at 21
exactly, for all we know wemby could flat line after this season
@@2nifty201be serious nobody believes that
He literally averages more in everything except efficiency. Y’all act like Wemby ain’t amazing, and he already leading in blocks
They are looking at it like chet isn’t in his actual first season so he’s beat but if you just look at the numbers Chet is like a 3-4 option putting up the same numbers on way way way better efficiency and his team is winning. Wemby is way less efficient and a number 1 or 2 option most nights I think wemby will be the way better player in 5 years but Chet is slight ahead rn
Chet is not a factor on his team. Webb is. Take Chet off of okc and they still win.
Chet did summer league last year but wemby was in the pros in France
LMAO the definition provided in the Thumbnail disproves their whole argument
just terrible take after terrible take in this video ngl
You don’t judge off age you judge off years in the league
These are the same dudes who thought Jordan Poole was going to average over 25.....
Some y’all making it about Chet. They also saying all rookie that won before did not deserve it so Blake,Ben. Age does play factor determine how much they pay you and how you finna be around for them. if you start late it’s your fault given it suck the Chet was injured.
Wemby can’t shot open threes or set proper screens. Chet clears Wemby is those categories
Just say u don't watch games lmao. Wemby's defensive impat is already surreal and he has a target on his back on O when Chet can play open shots after open shots and has a real PG
Km stated it. Chet doesn’t have to force shots bc of sga… Wemby has to create his own shots bc he’s playing with bench warmers
@@laiiididiiir Wemby is definitely better on defense. He still can’t shoot open threes and set good screens. The spurs are a bad offensive team but Wemby is still a limited half court offensive player. Also Chet is an elite defender on 50/40/90
@@Matthew-xl5bcbro turn on yo tv and watch Chet clears wemby defensively 😭
@@Matthew-xl5bcwemby looks awful. Team is worse this year
I thought we were talking about rookie of the year. The age group shit is irrelevant. Don’t try to change the narrative because Wemby is 2nd right now. Who cares if Luka is the baddest in his age group or Tatum is the baddest in their age group. That’s not how great players are judged or have ever been judged. They get judged against the best in the league. This convo was weird.
Kenyon martin, rashard mcants and Arenas all played in college. Martin was 23 as a rookie
Media was comparing Bron to Jordan and Magic. The goal post was crazy but its different now🤷🏾♂️
I think it’s an unfair criticism against Chet, Ben etc. They missed their first year because they were hurt and spent most of their time during rehab. Being around the team and playing games aren’t the same.
He was exposed to the NBA more though. This is Wemby’s first year with any of this stuff.
@@deejayy8303 Wemby has been playing professionally longer than Chet has but no one is taking anything away from him
Well that’s on them like mc said they missed out being around the team is 100% more beneficial then meeting and getting used to being around your team with in the matter of a couple months
@@ItsYuhBoyyyy There’s no league like the NBA tho
He’s two years older & he’s been in the league for 2 years learning
Wemby is already better at 19 so imagine at 21 lmao
I agree with Gil. He’s speaking this even though he came in after his sophomore season.
76ers had Ish Smith (27), TJ McConnell (23), and Jerryd Bayless (29) following trading MCW and won games 38 games over two years. Luckily, they got Simmons but you see how that turned out!
The graded was different for big men. Tim Duncan stayed in college all four years. Granted he came into a great situation but he still shined. Big men normally take a couole years but now with the positionless basketball I dont know.
it's like a fuse blows in my head sometimes when these guys speak
1. I'd rather be Vic
2. Why it chet being penalized for his age. You do what you have to do.
3. We need to see how many of his points accounted for are from assists
4. Since when were #1 picks given so much grace?
I think theyre all overestimating how easy it is to fit into a championship contending team as a rookie. Because you aren't allowed a bunch if bad games if you want to compete this year for a chip
And playing fòr Pop makes it easier.
Mccants is wild I be having to skip forward a lil bit when he talk lol
To put some context on what Gil was saying, Lebron, KD, Tim Duncan, and Luka were already (or nearly, give or take a few months) 1st team all-nba where chet is now. Wemby could easily get there by next year. Atleast on one of the three teams.
What's the difference in luca and wemby
Those players were not 1st team all NBA in under 20 games??
Wemby is already GREAT, Pop isn't playing him enough...also his team is ASS.
He should touch the ball EVERY possession, but he has a bunch of hero ballers on his team
@@Triads297 In their age 21 year old or less seasons. Many were younger when they were named than chet is now. Chet will be 22 shortly. No one claimed to be 1st team all-nba in their first 20 games.... it's literally impossible. It's just a comparison. If you think Chet is on his way to All-NBA first team, god bless you.
@@scooterduncan3262 Wemby is a genetic freak. Luka proved it to a higher degree before coming to the NBA. Wemby has a much higher upside.
The Buddy Hield thing hurts. You saw him working so hard and being frustrated.
The same advantages they say chet has are also disadvantages because with these guys hes getting less touches and shots. So hes doing AS much with less chances....doesnt take calculus to figure that one out. If chet had Wembys freedom and was looked at to be the primary scorer im sure his number's would balloon. Also i cant stress enough that in OKC rotation half of Chets main 2 minute stretches(start of the 2nd and 4th) are WITHOUT SGA on the floor. So its not like hes getting 30-32 minutes of SGA driving and kicking, and to be fair, in the 4th SGA aint fuckin passing, its shot after shot after shot and they either live or die by it. So take that into consideration also. I think Chet needs to work on rebounding the ball mostly, wemby was modest in the beginning too but is now rebounding the ball like a damn pro. Chets gotta work on that, youre too damn big to not average more boards. There 31 guys shorter than him averaging more boards...thats too damn many.
19-24 can be fairly compared. 25 and up is another class. Y’all dividing the groups too much. There’s new guys, then there’s vets. Guys 2-3 years in aren’t vets yet I don’t care if they made an all star game. Talent does not equal experience.
Don't think the offensive comparison is close, Chet is just all round more polished and SO advanced compared to his rookie class. If he gets stronger in the post + a better handle, as he gets exploited a lot (but I think he'll adjust soon), then he will have an AMAZING career. He can self-create, sets up teammates, sees over defenders, good passer, efficient close to the rim, a good 3pt shooter, mid-range is very promising - bordering good even now. He does everything better IMO, and the %s back that.
Yes, Chet is playing with a better team, but it's clear to see that even if the teams were equalized his shooting just outclasses Wembys.
Defensively, Wemby is a top 3 defender in the league and if he were on a better team he'd be my defensive MVP. Dude is a fucking cheat code and has a chance to be the greatest defensive player of all time. That being said, Chet is also putting up great defense and overall I think Chet is playing better.
Even with all that polish, age and a year more to learn Oklahoma's players and play book he still doesn't equal Victor's numbers.
@@janthonyfavors2430 On every shot, 0-3ft 3-10ft 10-16ft, 16-3pt, 3pt, FT Chet is more efficient, he has a better dribble, self-creates better, creates for others better, literally everything on offensive besides transition maybe. Your point is dumb.
According to McCants, college in the US in harder than pro overseas BUT he also said overseas teams can beat NBA teams … make it make sense 🤣🤣🤣
Spurs nees to draft a nice PG in the next year’s draft, because it’s frustrating to watch the Sochan experiment sometimes. I get it that Sochan will probably be more productive in the future if he improves his playmaking, but he still has miles to go before he becomes a decent PG. But if Sochan improves, Wemby, Vassel, and Sochan are going to be the next Spurs trio of the future.
I don't know if he will ever be a decent PG though. Tre Jones should be getting most of those reps because he can literally be the PG of the future if he gets better because he real young himself.
Thank youuu
Where tf was Rashad going with his minutes rant lmao
why is age a factor all of a sudden lmao. it’s who is having a better rookie season? why do we need technicalities 😂
Victor is averaging 19.0 ppg, 11.0 rpg, 3.0 bpg and 28.5 Min Per Game
Chet is averaging 16.9 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 2.8 bpg and 30 Min Per Game
If you get an injury prior to playing your rookie year, you should automatically forfeit your chance to win ROTY because you're not a true rookie.
facts
You guys keep saying compare him to guys in his class. He's easily the best player from his class right now. Even if you go back to the 2021 draft. How many guys you taking from that draft over Chet? You taking Cade? Mobley? Scottie? Jalen Green? Franz? Sengun? You could argue Chet long term over almost any of those guys easily
mccants be killin me lol love him on the show though he makes things interesting.
But wemby played professionally overseas for a few years, so he was technically not a professional rookie he played with and against former NBA players.....yes he is 19, but he should be more prepared than chet
Nah we not doing that, they all spoke facts and rightfully defended Wemby on this segment. Shoutout to this podcast for that. The NBA is still the most elite league in the world when it comes to basketball which Chet been in the NBA longer than Wemby.
Age group makes absolutely no sense lol. Not everyone can be a top player in their class. Some players actually have to play college a couple years to really get an opportunity