The Warriors DODGED A Bullet With Klay Thompson
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- The Golden State Warriors DODGED A Bullet With Klay Thompson according to Gilbert Arenas as he and the Gil's Arena Crew discuss Klay's future with the team and how his contract dispute could change everything for the 4 Time NBA Champions.
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Gil is completely right about Klay's game- he hasn't changed as a player since 2015. He is not a good rebounder, can't function as a secondary playmaker and doesn't provide anything beyond being a floor spacer and now that he has lost a step, he has nothing to compensate for the loss in speed and agility.
Steph and dray did those things y’all get mad at dudes for sacrificing
You're right about everything EXCEPT "doesn't provide anything beyond being a floor spacer". In their small ball line-up, he's the PF. He guards the best player in the opposing team along with Wiggins if Dray's not around or he guards the best player from SF and below. The only reason his rebound is not stacked up is because they have Dray, Wiggins & Looney.
I agree and to this guy talking about small ball, HE SHOULDNT BE PLAYING THE 4. His injuries caused him to be slower and even worse anyone stronger than him he can’t use his lower body to hold his position. He’s a great floor spacer and that’s about it. The warriors are my fav team cause I’m a Steph bandwagon but I can tell, Klay lost all ability to get better. He got hurt during the years he was supposed to improve and now he’s coming back trying to fill a position. That’s not gonna work
@@harveyscottzKlay defense ain’t been elite since 2016 bruh…
@@isaiahh4108 Klay never sacrificed anything. Remember what he said when KD signed with the Warriors?
"I'm not sacrificing sh*t"
Steph can play equally well on and off the ball, so Klay never had to sacrifice anything. We have seen how Poole expanded his game even when he was playing with Steph. And now we have seen how well Podz can also play with Steph. Klay simply never expanded his game to contribute in other ways.
I get he feels disrespected, but we can’t forget they paid him two years of his max contract while he was injured and didn’t play! The loyalty was shown then. It’s business bruh🤷🏾♂️
They had a choice ?
@@UNDERGROUNDSKOOPTV facts! Just like he did, to accept what they offered or not. Respectfully
Onm u not lying
Tf you mean loyalty? it's the law if anyone gets injured during work they're compensated. Not only that it's not a vacation from him it's even more work than before to be able to play again look at gil he never came back
He could be playing possum. Maybe he dont wanna risk getting hurt and not getting the bag, knowing the warriors weren't gonna offer him 100 million because of the injury history, like gil said he wants long term security, you took care of draymond, took care of steph, what about me? Oh you acting funny? After i got you 4 rings? Im not risking getting injured and going all out when yall not even tryna pay me what I feel is deserved... Somebody gonna pay him 💯
Gil was right on the spot with his contract. Klay shoulda just took that 2y/48M and just focus on ball. Now there is too much pressure for him into the season playing for a contract. Also, Klay is very fortunate that the front office was loyal to him and giving him that supermax after he tore his acl. If this was Boston, they would have either lowballed him or shipped him off like they did to Isiah Thomas.
I don't think you could compare isiah Thomas to Klay on the warriors. A more fair comparison would be Paul Pierce, which would actually help your argument because they ended up trading him when he got older.
Spell it right, Isaiah Thomas...Isiah Thomas is Zeke that played in the 0's for the Bad Boy Pistons.
@@Mr10before9it’s a common mistake and really not disrespectful since Zeke is actually named after Isiah Thomas.
You forget Klay got robbed of his supermax by media. Dude lost 50 mill cause of media so im sure he feels he hasnt made what he should in his career
@@Nothingregular you mean Isaiah Thomas is named after Zeke (Isiah Thomas)
Klay putting up the 4 ring fingers should’ve been a sign. He’s living off of the past and not the present. The league runs on a what have you done for me lately mentality.
Shut up with your fortune cookie wisdom. Dumb ass
Its odd how his game becomes trash and his ego suddenly balloons, and demands a max contract, bro is delusional, he needs a therapist.
Everybody wants to put up the fingers like Kobe. He should of accepted that contract because he is not getting any better and he is getting older.
How do you explain Fred VanVleet’s contract them?
@alexanderh353 Fred plays a different position, and starting level point guards that don't get injured frequently are a rare breed. FVV has brought a new level of professionalism to Houston. Imo his contract was the best money Houston has spent in years.
If you think Steph has the same basketball skills\abilities as his rookie year you’re f’ing insane 😭😭
How quickly we forget the days of “should the Warriors keep Monte or Steph?” And most people said Monte was the choice lmao
@@zodiac23jjI was so tight when they picked Steph over monte! I wasn’t even a warriors fan! Definitely played out in the warriors favor no cap!
I'd take older Steph, all Steph is now is one dimensional, he's just a floor spacer, all them handles he has he only uses for step back or for 3s smh, he better then that
💯💯💯💯 Brother has graduated to a new level every year. Just seeing his strength gains and a post up turn around jumper on a defender of similar height was WILD
@@michaelbonhomme3677they don’t see it I guess
I feel Klay's ego is really getting in his way right now.
Big facts
Been that way he just not self aware right now to realize it’s a business 1st💯
Did you even watch the clip. Gil explained it perfectly. This deal is a bare minimum in free agency. So it doesn't matter.
I agree, he needs to be real with himself, it’s sad to see
@@arcellmcgowan1517 He's an idiot thinking he's still that dude, delusional and definitely suffering from depression.
I mad Gil having to explain about going hard, having work ethics, training , skill set 😂 its bizarre!
That was my same reaction. Aren’t these professional athletes? The best of the best in the world? I thought the growth mindset was a bare requirement. McCants sounded like a an amateur tbh
Meyers saw the writing on the wall & lft when it was time to make the hard decisions ✌🏾
This! He looking like a genius right now
He left behind his last bad few deals for others to handle. He didn't draft Steph or Klay
He knew dray and klay needed to go but gsw wouldn't let them go
Yup he sure did!
@@robvanderkroft6515they both need to retire if they want to leave the game as a Warrior.
Stop trying to convince McCants.. his work ethic speaks for itself. Man had 5 years in the NBA. Look what Pat did to him in a workout. “Ouchie my ankle” FOH! Gil u the truth 🫡
Get a life dude we get it you hate McCants but quit disrespecting him because your a follower seeking attention 💯
Lol tell us what happen in that workout?
Klay is gonna have to get that humbling moment like Melo did. You’re not in your prime anymore. And I’m sure that’s very hard for athletes to accept. They know what they’re capable of and what they’ve achieved in the past, but can’t come to terms yet that their body just isn’t capable of that kind of production anymore.
Honestly after watching this I understand why Rashad Mccants lasted the time he did In the nba. His mentality.
I was about to say the same thing
you definitely see the difference in his mentality and gil’s mentality in this clip
Dang. Im on gil on this. Mccants mentality not so much
Gil speaking facts! Mccants supposedly got this champion Mindset but doesn’t see a problem with a 4 time champion having issues with his game and not playing like a champion!
He didn’t say he didn’t see a problem, he was speaking from Klays perspective as why would I have to get better when I’ve won 4 titles?
that's such a loser mentality, I've won so I don't need to get better. Klay grew up a spoiled rich kid and it shows. I know people that went to his school, they're all the same way. Huge egos, daddy got them everything they wanted. He's a fucking egomaniac. Had the two best players in the league outside of LeBron on his team and said i aint sacrificing shit, fuck that dude. he's a bitch@@DC4L1991
Rashad is trying to excuse a person not wanna change your get better the older you get, the more you need to add something to your bag.
Grill is crazy most days but he’s 100 % right today
Gill was right…. But he should’ve said this to checkmate them…. “If Klay had got in the lab and developed his game more he wouldn’t be having a contract dispute!”
I mean the check mate is the 39% from the field, and 34% from 3. The only aspect he had to his game is shooting 3s, and he can’t even do that well anymore. He’s washed and will be out of the league within 2/3 years.
@@JordanAlboneexactly! And it’s nobody’s fault but his own he should have added to his bag he’s gotten older and did nothing to his skill set
@@JordanAlbonewashed is a bit strong but in 3 seasons he'll be 36 and i agree he'll be retiring around then.
39% FG and bad defense and passing is the definition of washed brother, let's not sugar coat it cause he used to be great, overrated, but great.@@Lil08103
It wasn’t required of him to do so based on his role on the team would it have helped of course, but 10+ years of never having that requirement based on the system I can’t completely fault him for that tbh and no one should thinking logically about it.
The realization on their faces said it all Gill speaking truth
Gil's full of shit. He's been wrong about almost everything this year. How's MVP Zion doing? That's Gil's MVP pick. lol
I love this this podcast you can apply this advice about Klay to anyone’s life
This is exactly why I love this show. Gil's expectations for Klay are like EVERY professional athlete. Excellence. If you aren't trying to get better, then you are wasting time and energy. And I love how he doesn't hold back.
Klay's ego's too big to hear it hahaha i love seeing it lead to his downfall, he's a douche
Damn 105 games in 5 season whoa
“Jason Richardson couldn’t shoot a gun. “ 🤣🤣🤣
Buddy was sayin Steph hasnt changed in terms of him already having the foundation of those skills. He was already a good dribbler, passer, and finisher he just took those things to the next level. Klay on the other hand doesnt have the foundation for those skills and never adapted so he could acquire them
Yeah I think McCants has a point. Klay may not have a bag but he’s become one of the most elite off-ball shooters of all time. He had to put effort into becoming that shooter but because he didn’t try to develop off the dribble moves with it, Gil thinks he didn’t maximize, which is philosophically true. But McCants is right that how Klay sees his game isn’t how others see it, so who’s to say he didn’t do enough if having a bag and mid post game wasn’t the role he was asked to or has the urge to fill. It’s a nuanced take that might get overlooked thinking McCants is just tryna disagree
Steph had that shit from the beginning. Yeah he’s improved but his rookie year highlight tape is sick.
@@johnwinston4761 He did enough until he got hurt. Then it was time to adapt
He got 4 championships and will go down top 5 shooters of all time. I think he not only met but surpassed expectations. The game changing. We watching a whole new game. Everybody athletic n good.
What does that have to do with him being the same player since he came into the league
I been saying this about Klay and Draymond for 4 seasons. Nobody agreed. Looking pretty smart right now tho 😂
people hate so much on poole, but he was a huge reason they won their last championship. they don’t get that ring that year without him
@@immafataznthey still blew the draft. That’s the bottom line. Now klay is the scapegoat goat for the lack of talent on the team. They traded the #2 pick essentially for James Wiseman and an injured GP2 when they could have lamelo ball or Haliburton
I fell out when he said Klay is an iPhone 8 😂
Ngl McCants was spitting on the way we perceive things from different places
One of his best takes
😂 you sound as played out as McCants does
Only if we are limiting it to real time decisions. As he said, you can watch film, have advisors etc. If you take his argument to its logical conclusion - coaching wouldn’t exist 😂
Gill been watching Cam and Mase show i can tell 😂😂😂
McCants is right, but the problem is that he's right. Clay is thinking that way. Klay has got to add to his bag. He's not the defender he once was. He's a big guard, he should have some post game and a better handle. They should be able to call an isolated from time to time for him to take pressure off steph and open the court up even more
a player 10+ years in isn’t just going to develop a bag all the sudden
Handles is the single hardest thing to add to someone's game. It's too much of a rhythm skill. If you can't get the feel for it, you'll never pick it up. Klay comes across as that kind of dude. No rhythm. No footwork. Just a shooter. Frankly, trying to add those things is an unreasonable ask. It's too late now. Reminds of Trevor Ariza. He never developed handles either and people was trying to get him to become something he was incapable of being. Handles are hard because it's all about feel. It's like trying to teach someone how to draw. If you didn't develop it at a young age, that's not something you can learn.
i dont know wha nba youre watching, players dont get a bag deep in their career. they get a reduced role
@marcelohendrix6139 good point. However I think because of what he's previously meant to the team, he'd get the benefit of the doubt. With that said, it would depend on how much they feel he has left in the tank.
@rusty111fire true. I'm not saying he has to turn into steph or kyrie off the dribble because thats crazy to suggest. Just a few moves that can get him to a few spots in the midrange. That and the post game are easy to add
16:34 Steph did the work. And he is going to be a legend and top ten all time player.
people really underestimate how much of an effect he had on Draymond and Klay's games, I read an article about how many of Steph's moves Klay was copying and learning from. And Draymond's passing wouldn't be nearly as valuable on any other team.
When reshad said that's good money n gil said "hmm" lol i almost lost my shit .... Fse
It's good money because Everytime he's on bench he has big ass ice packs on his legs. He's not as mobile as he was when he was younger so I'm pretty sure his spending habits aren't same. He has well enough to last till death if he's smart about it
Algo suggested this vid - it's still relevant. Gil is such a student of the game. Real G.
the year they beat boston they started out hot, they were 27-7 before the new year with two 5+ game win streaks. they hit a rough patch once klay was getting ready to come back, and when steph and draymond missed games from injuries
Yeah and, plus, they're finished now even if they had a somewhat neutral record.
They didn't look like this
They only won cause they play injured & inexperienced teams though, yes they got multiple chips that they WON, nobody saying they ain't win anything, it's HOW they won, got lucky they ain't play the Suns who owned them all season, got lucky Ja got injured, Denver was trash, had a whole team & couldn't beat them. Played a inexperienced Boston team, a Boston team that never went to the finals before. Barely beat a inexperienced Kings team in 7, who would a beat them in 6 of they had playoff experience. Got smacked outta the 2nd round by the Lakers in 6. The second they(the Warriors) play a full healthy team wit experience & don't have KD, they get smacked. Both times by LeBron too, they can't beat inside teams especially ones that have experience.
Na Steph can stay where he at with that inconsistent shooting & chucking & no D lol Lakers would be worse with him, at least Dlo goes inside lol they'll flip Dlo for somebody else anyway most likely
@@xDaPrincex no one said anything about him going on the lakers, take that dick eating nonsensical bullshit elsewhere
@@xDaPrincex all i see are excuses lil bitch boy, quit ya crying
“Which gun ? “ 😂 I love it here
Gil spoke a lot a truth here ngl.
See I don't know about anyone else but it was not a surprise on Curry's style of play or the way he can score earlier in his career he would get benched for certain things because of the "traditional" game it was where basically you had one or two sharpshooters but their three's were limited to a certain amount of attempts until I believe Marc Jackson basically said "aye man shoot that mf at your discretion" then we got to see a comfortable Curry tbh this is what happens when a coach not only believes in his players but also get them in a comfort zone to where it's just having fun
He got paid alot while he had his leg injuries, klay not a max guy now.
I don't think he was ever was a Max Player, but the Warriors have Steph that makes these guys look better than they are.
@@EmmsHoops100%
Curry will never leave the Warriors. And if he does, he made it clear it would be for Charlotte. His home town and where his father played. But idk he wants to still do that because he has a chance to be on that short list of the greats that won numerous times all for 1 team.
I don’t think the Warriors are winning anything anymore. Too many good teams out there now plus all of their players have severely declined.
You have Curry tho. Trade Wiggins, Draymond. Get a reliable center and a player like Paul George a 2 way player and they good. Hell give me Curry, Klay, PG, Ben Simmons and a center. And CP3, Kuminga, Moody and Payton off the bench. They winning.
Ben Simmons does everything Dray does, dont need him shooting just defence and bringing the ball up at times. PG for scoring and D and Curry n Klay for 3s with a big man for once! They be ok
@@tonyfknb3896ben Simmons definitely needs to go warriors that’s only team that can help him return to all star form
Warriors aren't a charity team lol, no way they take a notorious slacker like Simmons.
Interesting conversation. I think the difference between Gilbert and McCants is a championship mindset. Both of there careers shows how they think. Gil, a future HOF and legendary player strives for greatness as best he can. McCants is okay with being good player, but never wanted to keep pushing past that point. That’s what I hear.
Gilbert had three good scoring seasons on terrible shooting please stfu Man U people say anything what tf he did to get in the hall of fame
Hate to break it to you but Gil is not a hall of famer. Doesn’t have the body of work nor the longevity. A 3X All-Star with 1 All NBA Second Team selection and 2 Third Team selections. It’s like saying Trae Young is a hall of famer if he retired today.
@@SpiegelmanSzn I thought same shit gil is good maybe great but u have to sustain that for 8-10 years at the highest level to me at least
McCants need to stop! Any player and all great players adjusted their game to remain elite. Jordan-fade away; Magic-sky hook; Lebron-post up; Curry-dribble and added weight; Giannis-added weight;BigDiesel- lost weight; Kobe- jump shot! So like Gil said you have to up your game as the years go by, and the elite do that to remain elite!
This entire Warriors situation is exactly what Bob Myers didn’t want to go through, look past the Draymond shit and look at the landscape of this iteration of the team
Gil is talking that talk! You can tell who was the max player on that set... work ethic
gil is right bout his main point of klay not improving but sad to say rashad was right about steph, of course he wasnt dribbling or finishing like he does now but taking people off the dribble, creating his own shot, even finishing, was in his dna, and you could tell he would get better like everyone should as they get more experience and off season work in 😂
No Steph had poor handles & struggled with pressure in college hence the jj redick comparisons
@MrDiMES123 bro just go watch some games of his 09 season, he was creating for his self on atleast 30-40% of his shots, going around screens and shooting the middie....OBVIOUSLY he wasn't as good, he was a rookie lmao but I could tell ball handling and finishing was in his DNA
24:49 This is actually true for life. Most people get into a comfort zone, and they don't want to get out of it. That's why not everyone can be successful. Not everyone will reach their dreams and goals in life because they don't know how to take constructive criticism and keep working to improve. Most people just kind of stop around their 30s not realizing that your whole life is about evolving, learning, growing. If you're not growing you're dying.
I get what Zero is saying, however, we also need to acknowledge that Klay had no extra motivation to change his game because it complemented what the Warriors needed until he got injured... He was a lock down defender sharp shooter. There was no need for him to dribble. It's only now that he is not the same defender because of the injuries that he needs to add something else...
Jordan didn't need to work on his midrange skills, they were winning with him being a dunker that drove the lane...but even amidst the winning Jordan worked on his game more and became known as a midrange assassin, to the tune of another 3-peat. There is always a need to add more tools to the tool chests, you never know what you'll need until you reach for it and it isn't there.
@@Mr10before9Bron the GOAT to me lol but I love this analogy. There’s always room to improve because the game is always gonna change simply because at the very least you’re gonna get older and not be able to do the same things physically that you’ve done in your teens and early 20s. That’s what makes players like Jordan, Bron, Curry etc. so great. That analogy was perfect 🤌🏿
@@reggiewhite376 facts. Kobe > Bron for me, but I respect Bron for drastically improving his 3 point shot and playmaking over the years.
@@MyronZhao Man Kobe too. These youngins don’t realize that man was a terror when he had the fro. Then all of a sudden you couldn’t guard him ANYWHERE no matter who you send or how many people you send. I HATED that man for years until he retired lmao.
Klay has to want more for himself.
Once again Gil right the harder you work the better you will be with anything. Out work everyone
The way Jennings debate helps me understand why he never won a ring 😂🤦🏽♂️
😂
He was just happy to hoop lmao
Gil is exactly on point. Personal growth has been LeBron's greatest strength over his career. Super Athletic Miami-era LeBron *with Lakers LeBron's skill set & strength* would have been impossible to beat, because of all the extras he's added to his game.
in 2019 klay played at his best, the year they lost in the finals to Raptors. Also, the offense has change, Gil was right Stephen doing all the motion while Klay stationary and that’s not his strength. The warriors as a team hasn’t gotten any better. They also lacking shooting, and size. Besides Klay and Steph who else can shoot?
It's funny how that "lightyears ahead of everyone" front office has done so bad at teambuilding after their first few years. Drafted a bust at #2, gave Poole way too much money, kept Klay around when he should've been traded, never stood up to Draymond to stop his antics and apparently his conditionings practices are dogshit, he just hits the stationary bike. There was an article on ESPN about it and it shows, he looks flabby now, lost a lot of his muscle and speed cause he doesn't take it seriously.
You mean besides Steph.
Nobody else. CP3 can hit the midrange that's about it. He basically filled in for Shaun Livingston's role lol
If anybody knows about contracts it’s Gil. Straight facts
I been saying why Klay has learned how to dribble yet. I mean he hasn’t put no types of dribbles in his bag. No way you have to always pick up your dribble as soon as you put the ball on the floor. He takes bad shots because teams can anticipate his game. He can’t get open without screens.
i was watching them play and saw klay try to drive, only to get shut down and picking up his dribble once he got to baseline about 20 ft out. he then was stuck there and got bailed out from a turnover bc steph cut super hard towards him once realizing to get open for a pass
Yup
@@immafatazn yeah it wasn’t as bad when he was younger and the team was better . But it’s so noticeable that past couple of years, like man get in the gym in the offseason and work on your handles. Sometimes it look elementary how he keep picking up his dribble. He can’t even get to his fadeaway anymore.
They’re basically giving Klay a Draymond contract without giving him 4 years because of injury history, they’re still trying to take care of him while protecting themselves offering a shorter contract.
Gil is absolutely correct. You have to reinvent yourself every year as a player, professional, whatever you do. A great example of that is Steph, Lebron, and most currently Giannis. It's uncomfortable and takes a ton of time/work. But it's necessary if you want to be better and most definitely if you expect to be great. Most don't want to put in this type of work. That's why there's only a handful of greats. Positive consistency breeds excellence.
Look at Brook Lopez...even he added something to his game.
That Klay/Scottie reference was DEEP
not really
I think this was a strategic move by the organization by offering it, and Klay for declining. I think this is needed this to put a fire underneath to transform his game based on his new deficits.
I agree with gil point of view. The other guy is just being lazy. You have to work on your game. Regardless of how many times you won a chip you need to be able to evolve and get better. Thats the mindset of greatness. Like he said look at Steph. He's gotten even better at 35 going on 36. Matter of fact look at LBJ. The dude is in his 21st season. 21st!!! He's still a top 5 to me in the league right now and he's 38. He work on his game and he evolved to how the league change and gotten better. That dude is just lazy. Wake up people please 🙏🏾. ..
Well said I agree 100%
If I’m Klay, watching Curry improve would be enough to push me to continue to improve. I’m not getting left behind and I’d push him to get better too. Klay with handles would be scary
Klay quickly spiraled down when he flashed 4 rings to Booker. Klay and Dray need a lesson from Curry about humility. Thats why he is still performing at high level unlike Klay and Dray.
They getting old
Thought it was easy getting older
@@___6131 agreed.
Klay feels like he's a part of the big 3 and the warriors owe him
its unfortunate that negotiations are taking place during a downswing in stats and output. He'll have to run this back in a year or so if the media don't get him out of GS
After the injuries, Klay got most of his game back but what he lost the most was his ability to play elite defense. The Warriors are feeling it right now.
klay was a lockdown defender and one of the best shooters, was arguably the #2 best 2 guard on the planet, after the injuries he became toast, that lockdown defense gone, post gone, jumper nearly gone
These podcasts really show you other sides cause I would assume most if not all NBA players should think like Gil….about working hard and getting in the gym. But it’s really not common
I remember saying Klay was washed few years ago and I had people talking about what he did 5 years ago 😭🤣. Like bruh, we almost in 2024 and you talking about what dude did in 2018. I’m sure Klay knows he’s washed and that’s why he’s always holding up 4 fingers
It’s like when people still try to say Russ is good and the only argument they got is talking about him averaging a triple double 😴.
Notice when people talk about players like Goat James, KD and Curry they talk about what they’re currently doing now, not what they did years ago
Except he lead the league in 3s last season.
Russ is at least a top 10 PG still , klay declined butttt has winning intangibles and can play with elite #1 option so let’s see how this plays out
@@cyberft I’m 100% sure that was Luke Kennard and Klay wasn’t even in the top 10 🤣🤣. Nice try though, Google is free. Use it to educate yourself.
@@dreww47 Definitely not top 10 in my eyes. As soon as Ty Lue found a way to get rid of him he started playing him under 30 minutes most games
@@HeeyOk go look up who lead the league in made 3s last season. I’ll wait, and I want my apology when you get back.
Gil speaking facts about klay and I’m a warriors fan🤷🏾♂️
Gil is a 100% correct. Klay never tried to build more to his game like Steph did, Steph was skinny, slow and would fly off with contact with bad ankles. He is currently, the 3 point leader, has more games with 9 3s or more, built his body to survive and even take advantage of the contact around the ring, worked harder on his endurance and off ball game. Klay, started as one of the best catch and shoot players of all time, and is gonna retire and one of the best catch and shoot players of all time with good perimeter defence. Klay was taller and stronger than curry coming into the league. Forget that you're talking about the Splash brothers for a second and tell me which one has more potential to be a dominant force in the league? A 6'3 sharp shooting skinny guy with bad ankles or a 6'6 strong sharp shooter with a midrange and defensive game?
Appreciate how Gil opinion changes as he dives more into the convo. The conversation on Klay was real.
Meyers knew these tough decisions were coming that’s why he got up out of there
Mccants has never said anything that makes sense, it’s actually impressive
Gil is delusional. Lol. There's a difference between what you're worth and what YOU think you're worth. And that comes down to your play within a certain time period. Though Draymond did receive a longer contract than what Klay was offered, Klay would've made more than him on a yearly basis. Klay should've taken the money. These very entitlement players are hurting the NBA right now. Klay needs to realize the end is near, and the Warriors organization needs to build for the future.
I agree with you definitely delusional asf and rashad and bj silky as hell 😂😂😂
GIl has been a stupid goon his whole life, never gonna change.
The warriors had their chance to build and blew it with wiseman. That’s not klays fault. Pay him his money
Injuries suck. Klay is a real life Southern California legend. His Dad is on our radio almost everyday.
I hope GSW keeps him and hangs his jersey.
Steph came into the league as Klay playing next to Monta. Once he got hurt, he came back as a whole new individual after working on his game, big facts. Steph wasn't dribbling coming into the league go watch the tape in college and, first two years before he got hurt. Klay Thompson, on the other hand, didn't do the same on his end
That's a huge exaggeration. Steph improved on everything across the board, but he didn't add a new skill he didn't have. Klay doesn't have the footwork or the feel to be able to handle the ball at this level. It's just not possible at this point even if he had Steph's work ethic.
@@boomshakalaka8567 Steph dribbling wasn't there AT ALL at Davidson. Dude was just spot up, even the distance was there a little bit. but you seen what it could be if he worked on everything. Mind you Kyrie dribbling was there out the gate at Duke with the mid range roughly. Reason why he was number 1 and steph was where he was at his draft at 7 behind Ricky Rubio and Johnny Flynn....his package wasn't there until after he came back from injury 🙄
@@Devere316 He was playing the 2 at Davidson. Tf you on
@@Devere316 Referring to college. At Davidson, he played the 2. Are you so retarded that you don't read your own replies?
@@boomshakalaka8567 they had him listed as PG....Monta Ellis was the SG on GS. Secondly, if he was a Two Guard like you said. Then he would have been selected by the Knicks who needed a one and two for Melo and Amare.....ssoooooooo how old are you, TF!!! Because you obviously don't know Steph's history, and I'm not even a fan. But I pay attention well enough to know that
They both are right in a sense that yes Klay hasn’t really expanded his game since getting drafted, and Shad is right in the sense that Gil can’t place his work ethic onto other players and that everyone isn’t wired that way. Klay may work hard on his game but it may not be to add something new but rather PERFECT something that’s already established.
facts
McCants was cooking this episode.
Gle straight up spitting facts. Dudes are content
Klay would space the floor for the Lakers.
Everyone is right in the episode ✅
McCants running to the defense of someone that can't play anymore 😂😂😂😂
It’s funny to hear Gil talking about contracts and missing games
Klay has an expiring deal. He’s my favorite Warrior but he has to earn a contract or be trade bait. It’s only business.
No way they are keeping the 3 together anymore. Unless they plan on wasting curry
Gil was speaking about knowing how to get into the league and then move/upgrade while rashaad was talking about getting into position and not rocking the boat. patterns and levels.
McCants is spot on with his take
I love that.
"stop pocket watching" RT. okay just hurt himself
Damn! Soon as CP3 gets to the Warriors everything’s falling apart. God please give my man’s one ring… PLEASE!
Never he will die ringless like celina Powell
Ima saying like cp3 can’t catch a break
If he wanted a ring he should have came earlier before he got this old. He wanted money so he got his bag and no ring.
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Not everyone look at the game the same way. Gilbert did it how he saw fit good or bad.
Steph always had a handle. His is stronger now therefore his turnovers are less from 30 feet as well as the paint.
true but he improved a lot in all areas of his game since he came in
Watching this pod always reminds me why McCants career turned out like it did, and Gil’s went the way it did… McCants takes be HORRENDOUS.
big fax
ive never seen this guy say a good take
There's no way Steph will go down as the greatest PG of all-time because he played the majority of his career more like an SG. Now he will be the best scoring PG of all-time, for sure. The greatest shooter of all-time without a doubt. But there's no way you can have a career averaging less than 8 dimes a game and be considered the G.O.A.T. at that position. Hell, I don't remember him ever averaging 8 for a season.
Man he going down as a PG. Just cause his play style ain't like the older PGs don't mean he's not one. Pretty sure nothin says you have to average a certain amount of assist to be a PG. But he did average 8.5 assist back in 2014
Lol. The only times a pg averaged over 10 apg and won a title was magic and Isiah. The ball dominate pg simply doesn't win in the finals. Just look at the spurs dynasty
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Disagree... His gravity and floor spacing creates shots without him touching the ball. He's still a pg. He's just different
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He came in as a shooter and Klay is still looked at as a shooter.
$20-25 mil is the most he should expect. It's still early enough for him to still win out and get a better offer, but it's not looking good right now.
Still an overpay
@@arturorodriguez8223 not for a second or third scoring option. That's about the going rate. And then he's still a good defender as well.
@@sonnyqsoul just 4 seasons ago 20+ mil for a third option was some insane stuff
@@wgnd1614 yeah, and it just keeps rising. The market keeps getting reset because teams are having to pay players more that aren't worth the pay because they HAVE TO spend the money. Like Zach Lavine is only worth 30-35 per season, but by the end of his contract, he will be making nearly $50 mil for one season, and he's not even shown he can consistently be a second scoring option on a bad team in which he should be the number one scoring option. And now trading him is gonna be a pain in the ass.
Fake fantasy nba contracts you believe are real😂
Damn,Gil! That piece of paper line was fire
It all makes sense…Draymond punched Jordan Poole so Klay could potentially get another deal.
all of them made very good points
three points of view on the matter by 3 pros who understand it from diff perspectives
The man is declining offensively and plays no defense and missed 200 games. What market is Gilbert seeing? Why overpay a declining player and tie up money. Why kill Steph's career?😂😂😂
he’ll definitely have a market, he’s still one of the most elite 3 pt shooters in nba history and one of the best spot up shooters in nba history. Sure, he wont get anywhere near 40m/yr but im sure teams would be willing to pay 20m/yr for him
@rusty111fire the thing was he could have gotten 24 a year extension for 2 years. He didn't want that contract.
@@fobincYou can’t foresee injury he got hurt the disrespect people are showing him when they were just dick riding when he scored 60 on 11 dribbles it was OMG now they say that it wasn’t shit just a bunch of fake ass people
Why does curry need so much help
@@xkhours similar to why Lebron needs more help. You get older, you need more help.
Gilbert Arenas has the right mentality here. That’s the mentality and work ethic everyone should have.
Crazy a bunch of players that never won telling a 4x champion what he should do differently to win. The irony
What does a team game have to do with personal knowledge of the game???
You think Klay would have won if he was in Orlando? Or Washington? He won because of the team, NOT Klay alone.
Gil going off and he right... people who believe in improvement are hungry for it
Klay will never see that kind of a bag EVER again.
Who cares doesn't effect our lives
he will for sure see at least 20 million per year this summer
Yall.... segments like this is why Rashaad is on here!
He got a great perspective on certain topics.
I’m glad this is happening let’s see if Steph really the goat he got all easy rings kind of even the last one against inexperienced Boston team now everybody he’s started with going to leave Dray & Klay gotta go we need a new warriors era
Klay wants more years on the deal i believe. He getting older, not moving the same, he wants this to be his last contract before retiring.
I hate how some people say Klays slump is because his injuries and getting older and not being the same player he once was. Its none of that, ok yes he lost a step on defense but all this shooting shit is all mental. You can read his body language. Everytime he misses he is immediately shaking his head, head down, upset. Now he is thinking about it, he misses again. Like when he came back from injury he had all these concerns if would he be the same guy and so he was already in his own head. Then he came back and was missing and all those thoughts start getting louder and he starts believing it, this is all mental. The yips. He needs a sports psychiatrist. It isnt injury it isnt losing steps. Its all mental with him. Not to mention he isnt doing what he was great at anymore, the catch n shoot, back cuts, running without the ball, all that he doesn't do anymore. He sits in the corner and tries tribbling like he is a ball handler now. And thats not what he was great at. We called him the greatest catch n shoot player ever. But he aint catching n shooting. He standing around or trying to ball handle. 60 pts 11 dribbles 29 mins. 37 a qtr. Thats all from running without the ball, getting open and catching and shooting. You dont have time to think about it when you doing that. And thats on Kerr for not realizing that. All the warriors do now, is Curry takes it up, eveyone stands around. When it used to be ball movement, moving without the ball and the open man takes the shot. Everyone else plays like the Warriors but the Warriors.
Well said comment . I’m sitting here like how can I sleep knowing I turned down a multi million dollar deal 😅😅😅😅, I want these type of problems
Watching basketball in general is getting terrible lol but I agree I don't care for how gsw run the offense. And definitely klay's mentality is being affected. You can tell he's not having fun playing the game on top of the team he's left with now