When Sega Saturn DESTROYED the PlayStation !
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2023
- Lets talk about when the Sega Saturn Destroyed the Sony Playstation, leading the market in the first few years.
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Sega made some awesome stuff in their prime. It's really too bad things went the way they did with Sega.
Yeah I completely lost interest in modern consoles after Sega stopped making them. Saturn and Dreamcast were both amazing consoles. Too bad they didn’t have the success Genesis/Megadrive had.
@@AngryCalvin Bad marketing, bad decisions on third party, bad management between SoJ and SoA from the Genesis era, bad add-ons.
@@danielkeslerjr4407 the Wii U before the Wii U
Who knows, if Sega has continued success with their software, they may give making consoles another try.
I remember seriously doubting Sony with it's original playstation, but it quickly pulled ahead with great games.
I am a Saturn fan girl. I love the Saturn because of one game. Sega's Outrun is arcade perfect and is the best game ever made in my opinion. At 46years old I still play it to this day at least once a week sometimes more hahaha!
i always loved outrunners but sadly it never got ported...
@@aerisgainsborough2141 Same. Outrunners was sheer perfection of the old school arcade racer.
I remember the hype about the Saturn in the magazines leading up to launch and this gives me all the nostalgia feels.
I'd buy a Saturn Mini in a heartbeat if they put one out.
sega wont do it but maybe a 3rd party?
It would be too expensive for them to manufacture these consoles let alone market and sell them plus the looming fear of not selling well and the risk factor that hardware generally do not generate revenue. What they should do is re-print their old games for Saturn and Dreamcast or bring them to modern consoles. This will at-least generate them revenue
Just physical box with emulator inside? nah...
Just get the real thing. They're not expensive.
I’m much more a Sega Saturn fan. The arcade ports, fighting games, and overlooked gems are all fantastic. Too many interesting gems never made it out of Japan unfortunately. Famous PlayStation titles are much more accessible and you can buy many of them on other systems. Saturn has a lot more titles you just can’t buy anymore anywhere at least at a price that won’t drive you crazy.
If there's one good thing Lady Decade said, it's "The Sega Saturn, a necessity for gracious living"
Yaaay ! 😌😌😌😌
1995 was also a surprisingly strong year in the Mega Drive's library.
Honestly it must be an awful feeling to have the lead early on, but then lose it and never get it back. I think all of us at one point in any competition have gone through that before.
I bought a Saturn the surprise day it came out here in the states. May something 1995. I had no business buying a $400 console and expensive games at the time (age 20 college student taking a semester off due to lack of tuition funds). But I did it anyway. Daytona, VF, Bug, Clockwork Knight, Panzer Dragoon. Not the best lineup but most were quite fun in their own way. I remember the free VF Remix disc. And then there was VF2. And lots of other great games.
How times change. I'm 48 now and even with 28 years of inflation I'm now pretty shy about spending $400 on anything I don't have to. Real world bills and some day retirement...
Ali express there is! I bought 14 USD 4k game stick lite having MD, PS1 on it.
You've left the likes of Ridge Racer (launch title) and Toshinden out of the list of games released for the Playstation in 1994.
“This is when the Sega Saturn destroyed the Sony PlayStation.”
Then how come I cannot remember ever seeing one in stores?
Considering the resurgence of 2D gaming in recent years, I would think a lot of the Saturn's library might be more appreciated nowadays.
Do we need a MiniSaturn? Where are the other Minis?
@louistournas120 If we get one it better have Christmas NiGHTS as well as the original game.
Back then though It felt like a losing cause especially when sega saturn collapsed. If you invest on a console that was at the near end then why go for it? It is not a smart logical decision to make. As for me, I went from SNES to PS1 to Xbox. No regrets here especially since I love the Halo games (Halo, Halo 2 and Halo 3). My K/D online in multiplayer was 1.04 in Halo 2. Halo 3- 1.46 (Isolation map 1.91). Halo 4- 1.66 and Halo 5 - 1.87.
Nice one! I love the 32-bit era. The Saturn was amazing.
Best era in gaming.
My friend had a Saturn. It was my first time seeing a next gen 'console' with fast 3D in person. I got a slight preview of what was to come with the Sega CD system, and Silpheed 🥰 My friend had Virtua Fighter and Panzer Dragoon
The original Virtua Fighter and its sequel are my favorite fighting games of all time. The graphics, music, gameplay, and presentation all come toghether to create something truly special and one-of-a-kind. And that's what I love about SEGA, always making special stuff.
I never knew anybody that had a Sega Saturn or Sega CD but I had a had friend that had the sega channel order any games you want sega was ahead of it's time I still got my sega
*SEGA RALLY and Virtual Fighter 2 are the most amazing I've seen & played on a 32-Bit machine*
I remember buying my Sega Saturn back in the day it was so amazing. Eventually I had no choice but to get the PlayStation 1 because no games were getting released on the Saturn. Sega Saturn was the best console of the generation it still blows my mind that it failed.
Yeah I had a Saturn too and still do to this day. I know what you mean though. We had to get a PS1 aswell and it was nice have best of both worlds.
how does it blow your mind when you literally highlighted why it failed! jesus🤣🤣
Saturn was not as responsive as ps1. Plastics of the case also looks odd cheap material.
@@airmicrobe thats crazy because Saturn looked the best out of all the consoles from that era PS! just had more titles and studios to work with this was why saturn and dreamcast failed they didnt get the games PS1 was
@@noleyestoad4477 PS looked nicer. Saturn was simple CD deck
Sega Saturn sales: 8 million
Playstation one sales: 102 million
keep coping
Yeah, it's like the cope Nintendo fans have when comparing GameCube to PS2.
I've always been a Sega Saturn over PlayStation guy.
mainly because you can play Marvel superheroes and X-Men versus Street Fighter and it performed arcade perfect.
I liked both consoles to be honest.
To be honest, the Saturn might probably have been the best console in its era. But it's also one of the first times Sega made one of its historical mistakes. This being the undocumented transparency effects for the software. Only very few ever figured it out, many developers quoted the Saturn was difficult to work on... The cause being the limited documented devkits.
There was also issues access both coprocessors at the same time. A hack was developed 8 months after launch.
The processor- co processor split behind its design was one of the factors that lead to it's downfall. Not to mention the lack of programming support to port titles to this console.
In addition, bad marketing and management
@@maroon9273 all true, but porting games to this console was a pain in the ass comparatively to any other system in the market.
When I was a kid I saw my first 3D game on demo in a shop, it totally blew my mind. I never ended up owning that game and trying to remember it later, I had some idea it was Sega, and thought it must have been a Dreamcast game - in my memory it looked so beautiful and so advanced. I've since found out it was Nights Into Dreams on the Saturn. That console definitely had some magic!
Sega’s Saturn had no chance as soon as Sony announced the PS price at $299 lol
7:42 That's not Rad Racer, that's Rad Mobile! Rad Racer is an NES game lol
I caught a glimpse of Grandia. One of the greatest jrpg's of all time.
Sega of America had their finger on the pulse.
Sega of Japan: No
Really? The 32X was having their finger on the pulse?
@@unvaxxeddoomerlife6788 I mean Sega of America had the idea to switch the pack in game to Sonic and wanted to team up with Sony to make a console Sega of Japan said no and opposed many ideas SOA proposed.
The Saturn had some amazing JRPG’s like “Dragon Force”, “Shining the Holy Ark”, “Panzer Dragoon Saga”, “Shining Force III”, and others. Sadly many of those were forgotten due to being stuck on the Saturn until emulation allowed more people to discover them.
I like how the basic story of Sega is that some smart American marketers almost rescued this failing Japanese console maker but the latter took it personally so they decided to fail anyway out of spite
When you to took the honor thing too far.
I'd say Saturn's downfall really hinged on a lack of Sonic. Its importance can't be overstated, had they got Sonic out after a year or so they could have easily kept the momentum up.
It would still fail. The were too few decent games in it's library. Look at the comment's section. Only game they're mentioning are Virtua Fighter and Panzer Dragoon that's it. Sry if i sound like Sega hater but this is the truth. Sega's hay day was 8-bit and 16-bit era. I really love Sega Genesis but they couldn't keep up with the other giants and their business/marketing strategy failed which is sad
The saturn consistently outsold the psx in Japan for a few years since they both launched at a similar time....until the launch of 1 game which was exclusive for the playstation...Final Fantasy 7. After that it was game over
The Saturn wouldve been a winner if the saturn wasnt such a pain to program for, 3rd party support was laughable too. (because it was a pain to program for lol) Fun Fact Kings Field was From Software first. MAN IT WAS HARD!!!!
Plus, spring 1995 suprise launch
That title is a bit misleading since it was the best console for like 3 days…PlayStation swept them real fast.
No, was the best console until 1997. When FF7 came out on PS1 and Bernie Stolar said that "Saturn is not our future".
@@ClaudioVarone3299maybe in Japan. But I remember the hype of both systems. It was quite obvious most people were far more excited for the PS than they were for the Saturn. And even magazines like a EGM, Gamepro and Gameplayers clearly favored the PS before either system hit the market.
Dreamcast was the best console for a year until ps2 came out.
@@BobbyHo2022 it was the most powerful, not the best in terms of success. It died before both the PS1 and N64 which is pretty embarrassing. It essentially means the PS1 outcompeted both the Saturn and the Dreamcast.
Perhaps the best, most innovative era of gaming. Unlike today, all 3 platforms *created* unique and compelling software, many of which are still staples of the gaming industry. No ‘buying our way into the industry after decades of failing to compete on the same legitimate terms as our rivals’ here😉
Rolling start turned into rolling fart
I read this long time ago: in Japan they counted ship units as units sold, but those units were actually sitting in the shops rather than in people's home. I don't believe Saturn was out selling PlayStation for long.
You obviously never heard of segata senshiro.
The Saturn has the best variant of console with the stunning Hi Navi Saturn model, also a karaoké unit monster ( the super prologue 21) and last but not least the SGX model ( a coin hôtel Saturn with 7 cd changer… very very rare)
When I was young my neighbours lent me thier Saturn, I was blown away
I had the black Saturn now I have the white one forever a fan of Sega Saturn
Love the subtle reference to Sega CD’s “angry black guy” ads.
On paper the Saturn is superior to the Playstation but what truly made it fail was the games. Third party support was scarce and Sega made a big mistake by not making follow ups of its most popular games. No Sonic 4, no Streets Of Rage, Golden Axe, Shinobi, Outrun, Hang On and so many others. Another problem was the short gameplay of some games. For example, Sega Rally had 4 tracks, 3 cars and that was it. Sega also kinda disliked RPGs and kept pushing for somewhat average 3D games just to compete with the Playstation.
There was a Shinobi game for the Saturn. It just wasn't good.
There was also a new version of Hang On for the Saturn
Only issue with the Saturn is it's unfriendly programmable languages, vdp1 including it's ram and framebuffer (the lack of alpha blending/transpericies without the vdp2 chip) and lighting sources/Luminosity.
Had Sega resolve these issues before launching the console. The saturn would've been better performing console than the ps1.
@@maroon9273
The Saturn has more computational power and faster pixel drawing; the PS1 can only draw pixels through its polygon engine, whereas the Saturn can draw pixels directly with its processors, giving it more programming flexibility.
@@robsmall6466 I remember ManX TT Superbike but I never heard of a Hang On version.
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Here in the USA almost no one had a Saturn. Everyone I knew had a PlayStation or later a Nintendo 64. No one cared about the Saturn and the Dreamcast a great system lost out because of that here. Not that Saturn was a bad system. It cost too much and did not have enough games on it. They had to sell it with 3 free games you get to choose to get it to sell at a big loose and still did not. What hurt them most was there were not enough 3D games and the few that there were, were not well-made and glitchy. In Japan, it sold better then the PlayStation and did a bit better in Europe than the USA. After Sega CD and then 32X I and many here lost all interest in Sega. Before that Sega was doing very well in the USA.
I liked the PlayStation, which had an 11-year lifespan in the US, the PlayStation 2, which had a 13-year lifespan in the US, the PlayStation 3, which had a 10-year lifespan in the US, and the PlayStation 4, which is still available in the US today, alongside the PlayStation 5.
I wanted a Saturn so bad but there was no way my mom was buying another console so soon after we got the Sega CD and 32x.
You made my day, this really takes me back. Sega had it all, even down to subscription w/ SegaChannel. My only Sega was a CDX, the homie had a lot of Sega consoles so I shared into those experiences like Saturn, “tower of power”, Dreamcast, GameGear before brainwashing of PlayStation; owned 1-5 😅.
So many people either forget about or are too young to remember the Sega Channel. That was the progenitor to Gamepass and PS Network. Sega's biggest mistake in my opinion, was the Japanese and American companies competing instead of collaborating.
Sega channel change the games my friend had it never knew anyone that had sega cd and the saturn
One of the reason I bought saturn was the VCD function. Just like people bought PS2 only for the DVD player function. That really shows how good it was.
Sega Saturn still my all time favorite console. Holds so many memories
The Saturn had many amazing games, but you needed a region converter/RAM upgrade combo cart to play some of them. Domestically, some of my favs were VF2, Dragon Force, Guardian Heroes, Fighters Megamix, Virtual On and (this one is debated but I liked it a lot) Manx TT Superbike. Japan exclusives I loved are Dead or Alive, Last Bronx and XMen VS Street Fighter.
Most important missing part : Sonic
I think I played a Saturn once in a store. No one I knew had it at the time. It's a great console for imports and has some amazing games. If I had it and a way to play imports back during release, I would have loved it as a kid.
I've played Saturn only once in my whole life, and that was in the 90s. :D
3d games from the 90s aged poorly. Thus Sega Saturn is arguably the best system from that era to play nowadays. Also it has a surprising number of great exclusive games that have never been remastered. Panzer Dragoon Saga, Shining Force 3 and Dragon Force come to mind. A very underrated console...
I got a Saturn back in 96 to hook to my Mac and best decision ever 😃 The CD player was so cool and the console could read burned CDs. Also a few good games as well, like Warcraft 2, aliens and Daytona 😉
I personally feel both consoles compliment each others librarys especially with the Japanese saturn titles that
I had both. all my friend had the PS. and the N64. almost no one had the sega saturn. only me. lol
My friends big brother, who is 41 now, owned the only Saturn I ever saw in the 90s. His room smelled like feet and BO so I didn't have a great impression, and the only game he had at all was Astal
I wish they'd put out a Saturn mini console. The two games I want are insanely expensive (over 200$ each).
They should have localized more games. So many RPGs that never reached english speaking audiences. Cyber Doll is one of the most unique ones and nobody's ever heard of it. At least the fan translation scene is starting to pump out quality stuff now.
The saturn was gash and was distraught when my bro came home with it instead of the ps
Sega and Nokia CEOs should be incarcerated for negligence. Imagine being pioneers and market gods to only lose out to newbies with no experience.
I had a Saturn for about 4 months then traded it in for the PS
I had a Saturn, it was great but eventually I moved to the Playstation because here in Brazil it was so much easier to buy _I L L E G A L_ games. It reached a point that we were buying games for 2 Brazilian Robux a piece.
Saturn is my all-time favourite console thanks to the Japanese library. My creamy white Saturn is still very much hooked up to the big TV.
Thank you for the great mention of kings field...No one ever talks about that great game..
I'll give "Clockwork Nine" a try one way or another. I never realized that the game ever existed. It looks like "Castle of Illusion" on bath salts. Thank you for showing everyone games that we missed.
As a kid i was a Genesis kid but when i saw the Saturn ads they didn't seem appealing and no one i knew had one.
The Best Buy and Toy r us near by only had the Playstation and N64 and my Cousin got a Ps1 with CTR and i got a N64 with Smash Bros.
The 1st time i seen a physical Saturn was my uncle gave me his that he got for free with the game Bug around 2005, i put it way for years and kept it, and years ago i got the retro bug and got a Mode, fram mod, recapped, Actionreplay cart and a 3d Controller and its one of my favorite retro consoles 😊
That's the key to enjoying the Saturn, skip the western developed software, get the Action Replay cart, get the superior import games, enjoy.
You couldn't actually buy a Saturn bitd in Canada where I lived! I never saw a single one for sale at a department store. Or knew a single kid who actually had one. You could however buy the 32x and I think they were trying to pawn that off on us. So there wasn't a choice as in 1995, as it was a PS1 if you wanted a decent CD system and they sold like hot cakes. And games like Resident Evil let you know you made the right choice by far.
Sega Saturn is my favorite console of all time: the exclusive JRPGs are so good
Sega saturn did very well in Japan. And even outsold the Nintendo 64.
It was Sega's best console saleswise in Japan over their previous consoles. With the software they got over there, I can see why.
I remember when this came out. My brother and I worked and saved, lawns, driveways, papers, then we bought it. less than 2 weeks later they stopped making games and blockbuster only carried 3 games. lol. I do miss it and those days. heavily.
It sounds so great to hear honesty for once Sega Saturn was better then the PSX everyday
Saturn was The 2d King with it's 4MB cart, Sony had the 3d. There were 2 engineers that made the Saturn slightly more powerful than the PlayStation with they modded it back then.
It was the range of games available for the Playstation which made all the difference. They were greater than Saturn games in both quality and quantity.
Nice job on that coverage. I liked it a lot. I remember the Knight game, I think way back when. I was maybe 11 or 12? It was and looked tremendous.
I see Goemon on your shelf. A necessity for gracious living.
I miss the 80’s and 90’s
To me, from the moment Sony announced they were entering the market as a manufacturer, Sega should have made an exclusive partnership with SNK. If the Saturn has had cartridge and CD rom compatibility with the Neo Geo/Neo Geo CD and backward compatibility with Megadrive games, things could have gone very differently....
Starting strong is okay... but it means nothing if you don't finish strong and that is true for anything in life.
I think the biggest reason for the PlayStation success can be seen in how Nintendo and SEGA tried to handle the market, specifically, their focus on taking control of specific smaller components of a much larger global market. SONY was able to leverage on multiple marketing venues SEGA and Nintendo never thought of targeting before, aiming for the young adults with cash via a nightclub presence bolstered by their SONY Music Group division and family units with better product placement in TV and Film by virtue of their media connections and ownership of Columbia Pictures. Then on top of that they continued with the standard advertising to children during cartoon blocks and an arcade presence via a deal with Namco that had games running on PS1 based hardware so SONY could claim 'Arcade Perfect', the gold standard term for games during that period and targeting the hardcore gamers of the time.
SEGA and Nintendo just dropped the ball, SEGA by focusing on a specific region of the world, believing success in Japan was all that mattered and Nintendo by continuing to focus on a player base of young children who were more interested in what the 'cooler adults' (i.e. later teens and young adults) were playing on.
SEGA and Nintendo were still running by the rules set during the late 70's/early 80's while SONY was already diving into full market saturation and not seeing the games consoles as toys but full entertainment systems everyone should own alongside a TV and VCR, a feat they truly achieved with the PlayStation 2 and it's ready to go DVD playback abilities with many people owning and even still using to this day a PS2 just for video.
I have the Saturn and almost every game on my Satiator.
I would have to say the Saturn has better fighter games and shmups compared to PS but the PS still had a lot of really good games.
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wow i member "D" my bro played it. D gave us a lot of Resident Evil vibes
Lady Decade, care to venture a guess why Minecraft with graphics on par with a Sega Saturn became so popular?
I'd love your insight.
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I think Sega would've done a lot better if they weren't so stuck on arcade style 2d shoot em ups and fighting games. FF VII, Ocarina, Mario 64, and Tomb Raider did not help.
It's possibly cutural, but Japanese launch games are just plain weird compared to what we had. I can't remember the Saturn's but the PlayStation's were: Ridge Racer, Destruction Derby, Battle Arena Toshinden, Lemmings 3D, Tekken, Cyber Sled, Air Combat and Wipeout. These were available at launch, as in the first week we saw plenty of others. In fact the reason some games had the double CD case, was because there wasn't enough of the Sony specific cases to meet sales.
I dont think final fantasy was the reason why sony won. For my friends & I the main reason was the MOD CHIP. Being able to copy games and spread it around with friends was the main reason we all got ps1 & ps2. For a non- working high school student it was impossible to afford to buy games at the shop. But for the price of a blank cd/dvd $1 or $2 you could own those games.
SegaSaturn dominance is clear from 1994 to 1997. PlayStation became successful when Dreamcast arrived. Maybe that Sega should have delayed the release of the Dreamcast in Japan because the SegaSaturn was still a success in 1998.
May the light of the SEGA Goddess shine upon all of you! 😌
I'm a Sega Saturn stan. I still sing it's praise to this day, they just didn't get enough proper game licensing of the major titles. I remember Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy 7 coming out and in a magazine they said the exclusivity of those popular titles helped Playstation leap ahead. The Saturn in terms of specs was a a more solid console. I played Darkstalkers on both consoles and the loading on Saturn was way faster while Playstation gave me time to go to the kitchen and make a sandwich lol
it was better just had no content to actually consistently enjoy that betterness🤣🤣
@@noleyestoad4477 let’s be real though, the PlayStation was a better 3d machine. I played both systems at the time and it was painfully obvious the ps had the superior 3d hardware.
@@Scopie33 not accurate sir! graphics were not really any issue! saturn just didnt have the support games wise PS did!
Loved my Saturn, both of them, oh yes so good when I sold my original for an upgrade it didn't last long before I bought another.
I have 3 Saturn's and 0 PS1's. All that needs to be said.
Aw but ps1 was good too
That 2 of those saturns were destroyed?
@@ArchangelRG09 No, different variants. Model 2 white Japan, Model 1 US, Model 2 US. I may or may not have a Saturn collecting issue...
@gibbles3216 ah lol well the only Sega console i owned was Genesis and i wanted Saturn and Dreamcast but problems were more variety of games were on other systems and of course money was a hard thing to come by so it was either one console or the other
@ArchangelRG09 I understand the money thing. Purchased all 3 when they weren't in and had the most interest. I was more of a Super Nintendo guy back then. I never had a Genesis. I played at my friends though. I had some love for it. I do have a Dreamcast as well. 3rd favorite retro console. It goes Neo Geo, Saturn, Dreamcast.
I am from Malaysia. Never heard of Sega saturn . My first console was Ps one in 2002. I buy it because i can buy pirated games. 3 games for Rm 10. I heared of Snes before. My cousin used to own an original japanese Snes. Love to play Street fighter 2 turbo and super mario world. My brother used to own a nes clone name micro genius. Remember playing duck hunt and super mario. Today i am playing Ps4 Days gone. Tekken 3 , Saltwater fishing sports and Street fighter zero 3 was my first games on Ps one.
when sega saturn disappeared and playstation is at their 5th device
I got a sega Saturn for $99 from toys r us. I still have it till this day.
What a fresh take on this particular console war. Really enjoyed it.
Sonic 3d Blast obviously is the reason.
I used to work with a guy who told me regularly about a "Dreamcast 2" project that was supposedly more powerful than the xbox which Sega was developing with Microsoft which he said that Microsoft nixed because it was too expensive. This all sounds like a little bit of nonsense rumors but you've found facts that seemed like nonsense rumors at first glance before so I wonder if there's any shred of truth to this.
I remember getting it for my birthday and a few years later it was obsolete. I was so so mad. Still have some of the games
SEGA Master System Genesis Game Gear CD 32X Saturn Dreamcast Great Times In The 1980s And 1990s
Funny how Kings Field led to some of the best RPGs today with the Souls series.
The way I remember it Saturn released to loads of hype, then PlayStation 1 released, Saturn flopped and the rest is history 🤷♂️
Sony pretty much steamrolled the competition from Sega AND Nintendo. It was over quite fast.