360 virtual tour photography with DSLR cameras | Ep01: Shooting and retouching panoramas | Gaba_VR
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2020
- 360 photography basics about how to shoot and edit 360 degrees virtual tour photos with a DSLR camera. I show you my shooting method, using a crop-sensor DSLR, an 8mm fisheye lens and a panorama head. Then I reveal my techniques to start color grading and retouching the single photos of the panorama. If you are interested about the manual stitching method and the final touches, stay tuned and subscribe here: ua-cam.com/users/gabavr?sub_co...
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A Virtual Tour is Born ✨ Shooting and editing workflow with a DSLR camera.
Check out Part1 about my shooting and basic retouching techniques!
If you are shooting with a 360 camera, would you switch to this workflow?
Or as a DSLR photographer, what do you do differently?
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Great tutorial Sir, thanks very much. 🙂
nicely explained, thanks.
Great video! Thank you very much for sharing your workflow!!
Great tutorial, as always
Thank you 🙏
thanks sir
Very nice it helps
Thank you!
Awesome video, really useful! Do you focus manually or automatically each shot? Or do you focus automatically then change the lens switch to manual?
Thank you!
Well, I focus manually, but using a wide-angle fisheye lens, I don't really have to bother with focusing. Especially, as you can see, I shoot with f11 or f16.
The lens has a focus option at 1,5 meters, and then the next step is infinity. So when I'm shooting in the middle of a room, and everything is further than 1 or 1,5 meters, I set it to infinity. Shooting in a bathroom or a small space, I pull the focus down to 1 meter or closer (depending on the distances), but in most of the cases I set and keep it somewhere between 1,5 meters and infinity, and it look cool and crispy.
Awesome video! Can you do a tutorial shooting car interior? Thanks!
This is the single best video I have ever seen on the overall DSLR 360 workflow.
Not only did you cover all the essentials but also other really valuable tips - like taking extra shots to keep important objects off stitch lines. And you managed to do it in under 6 minutes - fantastic!
Thank you.
Thank you! 🙏
Great work! What panohead do you use or recommend?
Well, it depends on the budget. Nodal Ninja is one of the most recommended panoheads, but in this video, I'm shooting with a more budget friendly one. All you have to keep in mind, that you have to attach this pano head to your quick release plate, so you need another tripod head, and you cannot use it directly on your tripod legs:
www.sharpvision.cz/en/panoheadsv360/
3:08 why dont you use the camera bracket mode? I always use it and from the raw I can correct the lights without problem if the +/- images exposure is not 100% percfect. With the PTGui templet, very easy to make the panos, and very easy (ok needs some practice) mask the images together. Of course you can follow the methode what is good for you, this is just my workflow :)
Great video! Do you think a 12mm fish eye lens is good enough on a full frame camera?
Sure! An 8mm on APS-C is almost the same as a 12mm on full frame. Of course, make sure to check out the lens compatibility with your camera, but generally, such a set-up must work well!
Hi Gaba, greay video. I created virtual tours with my Insta Pro but I start to shoot 360 pics with my Nikon D5300 and Samyang 8 mm for better resolution. I don't usually have a problem in stitching process ( I use autopano giga and ptgui pro) and postproduction (Affinity photo). Usually I shoot in bracketing. My clients are satisfied. The only problem I have is the lens flare in some conditions, usually with light bulbs in showroom and shops. How can I avoid lens flare during shooting? Is there any trick? or can I delete them in post production? Thanks
Why don't you have a two million likes on this video?!?!?!
When you take the nadir with two photos and a full frame fisheye, doesn't the distortion change when you change the angle you're looking down at? I've tried this but the floor boards don't align at all. Otherwise though, great video!
Well, I have a couple of reasons to shoot with crop or MFT body, and I've never had such an issue, so I don't really shoot 360 panos with full frame.
But as you described, it can also sound like an issue of the pano-head setup. The first step during my calibration process is looking down and setting up the middle point. And then, after I set up the other axis, too, I don't see any distortion in any direction, even pointing the camera to the ground and turning it in 90 degrees . As I shoot at least 7-8 panoramas in one location, it would be an inconvenience during post-production, if my nadir shots wouldn't fit perfectly.
But as you can see in the next episode, fortunately I don't have such a problem: ua-cam.com/video/uPyBv8QGYiI/v-deo.html
Very informative! I have almost the same process (plus or minus). However, the mask in Photoshop is very interesting, how does this happen? I mask light areas in Lightroom, but here the effect is more interesting! How is this done if this is not a secret?
Thank you!
It's not a secret, even more, actually I show you how it works: I open the normal and underexposed photo on top of each other in Photoshop. Then I create a mask on the top layer, and simply paint on the mask with black and white to hide and reveal certain areas. It's just the same technique as the pano-head removal process right after it, but in this case, I reveal the underexposed photo, so the windows won't be blown out anymore. 😊
Hello Gaba_VR
Thank you for sharing this tutorial.
Please I am planning on getting started with DSLR for virtual tours.
Please what is your gear setup used in the tutorial and if you can share links to get them.
P.S I have a Canon 6D camera. Thank you.
Hello,
I also have a 6D, but for virtual tours I prefer crop sensor cameras, so I shoot with a 90D with a Samyang 8mm f/3.5 umc fish-eye cs II lens and a PANOHEAD SV360 panoramic head. It's an European brand, and works fine for me (unfortunately I'm not sure whether they ship worldwide or not).
The lens works both with APS-C and Full frame cameras, but I don't really like it on full frame, as there's an empty black circle around the image, and when I made some tests with the 6D, it led to a smaller resolution panorama compared to the one I shot with the crop body.
www.samyanglens.com/en/product/product-view.php?seq=335
www.sharpvision.cz/en/panoheadsv360/
This is the first time ever. . . ever seeing ZERO "dislike" video on youtube's world. Wow, very impressive. Liked, Subbed, Belled! keep the great work Mr. 👍
Thank you! 🙏
Great video. Do you have a course with more details and step by step tutorial? Thank you
Thank you!
Unfortunately I don't have a more detailed video in this topic, yet. Actually I show all the steps during shooting, and then I have a second episode, when I go through post-processing.
Which steps are you interested about more? What would you like to see in more detail? 🙂
I have canon apsc and 8mm lens do I have to shoot in portrait or can I shoot in landscape? I don’t have a L bracket mount.
Without a pano-head it’s a little bit more complicated, as you have to take care of the nodal point, while you have to shoot vertically, in portrait mode.
Of course, you can play around with it without an L mount, but it will make stitching a little bit more difficult for the softwares, and sometimes it may lead to some optical artefacts, too. So a pano head can make things much easier in 360 photography.
I bought this sigma 8mm lens and using a 80D I have the black circle around my photos. how to fix this? thank you, amazing video.
Hi,
It's weird, because on an APS-C camera there shouldn't be circles at 8mm. Is it a standard 8mm or an 8mm fisheye lens?
But, fortunately, you can finetune the stitching and it won't be a problem. Which software do you use for stitching?
@@GabaVR Its a Sigma 8mm f3.5 fisheye lens
Hi, what is the DSLR cam you are using? Instead of a crop sensor, if we can use the full sensor cameras, will give a more distance feel I believe. I just started my virtual tour business. your video will help me a lot. Thanks
Hi,
There will be no difference between full frame or crop sensor. I use an 8mm with crop and 12mm with full sensor. In 360 you will always get the same spherical view. 🙂
I shoot with a 90D, when I work with my crop camera. Using the same lens on my 6D there will be a black circle around the image, which makes automatic stitching a little bit more difficult for Autopano. So on full-frame I recommend using a 12mm fisheye! 😉
Hi. What software is ok for exporting 360 virtual tours to work on personal websites (not facebook) (with Hotspots.. and navigation from one spot to another)?? What do you think about lapentor.com? Thanks
Hi,
I recommend Klapty. Working with clients, I always create a "preview" tour with Klapty before I upload to Google Maps, and I really like it.
It's free and easy to use: www.klapty.com/
Great video. Why don't you pimp your stitched Pano instead of pre processing it?
Thank you! 🙂
Well, I have a couple of reasons to do so.
First, in lightoom I work with raw images straight out of the camera, so I have all the flexibilities in terms of color correction.
You know, the stitched panorama is already going through an editing process, so it would be a little bit different, than working with the original raw files in Lightroom.
On the other hand, I can remove vignetting before stitching, selecting my lens type, which leads to a better stitching quality later.
If I was stitching the raw photos first, the transition between them wouldn’t be so nice, because of the soft vignetting on the single photos.
Then bracketing wouldn’t be so easy, as during stitching the image projection changes a lot. The underexposed raw fisheye photos wouldn’t fit to the stitched panos perfectly.
Of course, different photographers could have different workflows, that’s why it’s so interesting. But in most of the cases these are my main reasons why I work this way. 🙂
@@GabaVR thanks for your feedback. I would be doing just the lense correction then stitch / hdr through ptgui then blend. But to be honest I hadn't the opportunity yet to work on 360 stuff. I'm learning now to be able to do one requested by a client soon.
Thanks again for your reply.
nice video, could you please link the tripod head you aure using?
Sure! :)
www.sharpvision.cz/en/panoheadsv360/
Hi,
Greetings from India,
Which fisheye lens u use... Or which lens should i use... I have canon 7d & fuji xh-1... Both crop sensor
I have Altura 8mm fish eye, but the image quality is crap... Its not sharp and have lot of chromatic color fringing and removing those is a headace .. and leaves artifacts on image..
Well, I could recommend the samyang 8mm (or in some countries you can find it as Rokinon) I think it's a great value for price. I shoot most of my virtual tours with it.
hi hi must use 8mm lens ? can the same technuqe use for car interior ?
Hi,
It depends on. If youa re shooting with a crop body and a single-row technique, I recommend to shoot with an 8mm.
For car interior it can be a little tricky, as it's quite a small place, for a dslr and a fisheye lens to turn around, but once you can find the perfect mounting setup for you, you can shoot even in a car, too :)
@@GabaVR thabk you for sharing but itwill be great if have a tutorial for car interior currently I'm using 360 one r not very happy with the result
tks for your videos, the lens has to be 8mm or it can be 10mm
10 mm is also a good choice. Make sure that it’s a 10mm Fisheye lens, and you only have to set it up during stitching.
@@GabaVR
tks man I have in mind a 10.5mm
Can you share your settings you use?
Sure, but don’t forget that these settings are depending on the shooting conditions.
In most of the cases I shoot with ISO100, Aperture around 11-16 (this lens has a manual Aperture, so I can set it even somewhere betweeen these two values).
The shutter speed is depending on the lights, but in most of the cases indoors it’s at least a second. That’s why I shoot with a remote to avoid any motion during exposing.
Hi Gaba. May I ask can I use no fish lens to do the 360?
Hi,
Yes, but it's a little bit more complicated. You have to shoot in multiple raws, turning around with the camera. For instance, shooting totally straight in a full circle, then repeating the process, tilting your camera up and down.
There are some motorized, automatic pano-heads to do this perfectly, but it's quite difficult to do totally manually.
@@GabaVR Thank you
Gaba, how many photos do i have to take With a 8mm fisheye? 6?
Yes, basically 6 photos should be enough, but I like to take a little bit more, so I can play around with the position of the stitch-line, making sure that it doesn't cross any important objects. And I also take double exposures shooting against the windows, so practically I take 8-9 photos in one position.
Hello! What about full frame camera? Would 8mm be too wide?
It could be okay, but 8mm fisheye lenses for full-frame cameras are quite rare. If you have a full-frame body, i recommend to get an 12mm lens made for full-frame cameras.
Such an 8mm lens is not compatible with a bigger sensor: there will be a black circle around each photos, and after stitching you get a lower resolution result, than with crop-sensor.
@@GabaVR On a 12mm fisheye lens what f no would be good enough?Would f 2.8 be good enough? I am asking this as I am intending to buy a fish eye lens? what if in f 2.8 is not available? which other lens would fit for my Miroless Canon camera(EOSR) besides the Canon fish eye lens?
Thanks for this video! I'm experiencing problems when importing a 360 Panorama into Photoshop: The image is horizontally compressed (makes the room look smaller) and the floor beneath and the ceiling above the tripod are warped (I believe some call it the butthole effect). Any way to fix this? Thank you!
Hi,
I've never had such an experience. Are you sure that you have a perfect 2:1 aspect ratio photo?
@@GabaVR Thank you for your reply! I don't believe I have. I'm shooting with a Sony a6400. I don't think there even is a 2:1 option. But I'll check on that! Thanks again! :)
Please make sure, you shoot with this aspect ratio, because this is the only way to get a proper, full spherical image. Or edit your image, putting black bars on the top and the bottom of the image to make it perfectly 2:1. This way, you'll have a black dot on the botom and the top of the image, but the rest of it will look perfect, without any distortion!
@@GabaVR Alright I figured it out. Your suggestion was spot-on, I just understood it wrong. The stitched image needs to be 2:1, then it'll transform into a perfect 360° panorama (with the holes at the bottom and top - as you mentioned).
If however e.g. PS crops your stitched image, you need to blow up the canvas to 2:1 aspect ratio. Also, don't use PS to stitch images. It's pretty bad at it.
Thanks again! Cheers!
Exactly, you should apply this aspect ratio on your final panorama, and you definitely need to find another way to stitch your panorama perfectly. Photosohop is not the best tool to do it.
You can check out my workflow in this video, using Kolor Autopani Giga: ua-cam.com/video/uPyBv8QGYiI/v-deo.html
(this software is actually discontinued, but that's why you can get it for free online).
hi is it possible to shoot with a 12mm full frame ?
Sure! Even more, I recommend to use a 12mm instead of 8mm on full frame!
HI, NICE VIDEO. MAY I KNOW WHICH LENSE YOU ARE USING FOR THIS ? AND I HAVE SONY ALPHA 7R III WHICH LENSE U CAN SUGGEST FOR ME?
Thank you!
I'm shooting with a "Samyang 8mm f/3.5 umc fish-eye cs II" lens, and I prefer using it on with crop or mft body. In your case, I would use a 12mm fisheye on full frame.
Samayang has another model called "12mm F2.8 ED AS NCS FISH-EYE". It must be available with Sony E mount, or you can use it with an adapter. This is a full manual lens, so you wouldn't lose any features even with a basic ring adapter.
@@GabaVR THANK YOU SOO MUCH FOR YOUR REPLY AND TIME
@@GabaVR Thanks for your reply may I know that image quality of Samyang? we can do as commercial property 360 With Samyang 12 mm.? and what about Sony 12-18 f4G I find the price deference and its confusing me? if you don't mind may i know the Samyang work Experience ?
Well, I use this lens with Canon body for professional projects and it works fine in terms of image quality. On the other you should consider that it's a totally manual lens without no electronics. So you have to set up the aperture and focus manually on the lens, and you can't control anything on your camera. And of course, no EXIF data will be recorded on the images.
The only downside of this that you should add some data manually during stitching, just like I show you in the next episode of this video.
@@GabaVR Thank you for your time. waiting for your more videos. all the best
sir how did stich photos tell me plzz
Hi,
You can check it out in the following video: ua-cam.com/video/uPyBv8QGYiI/v-deo.html
This is about my editing workflow. If you have any questions about it, feel free to write me further under that video, too! 😉
Do u have a tutorial about how to do 360 With any lens?
Well, shooting with normal lenses is a little bit more complicated manually. It's a multi-row technique, as you have to pan around in different angles multiple times. Actually, I would use it for outdoor shots, like 360 landscapes, or non-360 panoramas for other purposes. But I think the best solution for shooting 360 panoramas is using a fisheye lens 🙂
@@GabaVR thanks mas, for your time and Channel. Very helpfull.
Im still thinking between dslr x z1.
How to joint 2 or 3 360 pictures
Do you mean, how to create a virtual tour, using 360 photos?
There are a lot of possibilities, depending on the type of your tour. If you want to upload to StreetView, I can recommend GoThru, which is a very simple editor with Google Maps upload option.
For standalone tours, there are free platforms, like Klapty, which works great without any fancy solutions. If you simply want to put some photos together, it's a really fast and easy solution.
And of course, you can create custom tours, working with Pano2VR or 3D Vista, but they are in a little bit higher proce range.
Yes you are right please tell me how it makes because i want to make 360 tour on my shop❤️
Dslr and lens model?
Canon 60D with Samyang 8mm f/3.5 UMC Fish-Eye
Does it have to be a fish eye lens?
It depends on, but for such a manual shooting technique that’s what I recommend. With non-fisheye lenses calibration is a little bit more complicated and you need take more shots to cover the 360 space.
@@GabaVR thought so - sigh... lol what about an alternative to Kolor? Since it's discontinued, I was unfortunate to only have found out about it today.
@@GabaVR and which fisheye lens would you recommend (canon)?
Ptgui is also a great option for stitching. It’s quite easy to use and it has great automatic features, too.
Depending on your camera body I recommend 8mm fisheye or 12mm fisheye. 8mm on crop and 12mm on full-frame.
I could recommend samyang instead of Canon lenses, as they are a little bit less expensive.
@@GabaVR Thanks so much! I love your work
Which format of 360 is better to upload to facebook? PNG or JPG? Png file is like 5x bigger. Let me know your suggestion.
Best Regards,
I work with jpegs with the highest resolution possible. It means, I edit and color grade my raw files in Lightroom, and then I export jpeg photos to stitch.
Png format is not always supported by all the stitching softwares, and basically Google StreetView also prefers jpegs. So after all I also prefer exporting jpegs.
You can see my post-production workflow in this video:
ua-cam.com/video/uPyBv8QGYiI/v-deo.html
Hi Gabor, great video and very informative, I want to tell you my equipment and maybe find a solution, I have Nikon Z6 whit TTArtisan 11mm f 2,8 and panoramic head Nodal Ninja 6 NN6 RD10 QR NA with Advanced Rotator and Nadir Adapter, bat when I trait to stitch in PTGui version 9.0 I have only problem I also trait and whit the 3D Vista version 2019, I take 4 photos one every 90 degrees and 2 upsides and 2 the nadir (I work HDR bracketing photo in Lightroom ver. 2021 and Photoshop ver.2021) and if you have the time and appetite to make video analytics how to delete the head of the tripod I will thank you 1000 times ….. if it is no problem for you …..
Hi,
I use the good old Autopano Giga, and if I take 2 nadir photos, in most of the cases it erases the tripod legs and the side of the panohead almost completely. So as final step I have a very small spot on the bottom to erase.
But here is how you the full process, how I edit my photos totally manually: ua-cam.com/video/uPyBv8QGYiI/v-deo.html
@@GabaVR thanks a lot , but i want to know how you erase the site of the pano head .....
Too much hassle.