I want to express myself this eloquently. I want to think critically and deeply. I am so glad to know that, at 25-years old and with the hopes of giving my children a classical education, I can learn as well.
I feel so cheated by not getting this type of education. I am a public school teacher with a masters degree and most of it has been a waste of time and money. Now I have to self-educate using videos and books in my spare time. I have a job so there’s that.
I relate. When I was homeschooling my 4 sons I had a chance to teach them logic, Latin & other Classic Ed. I too have a Masters & decided recently to relearn my Latin so I can read the Ancients in their own tongue (& pray in Latin). It’s never too late. Our minds are worth it.
@@downloadqiu have to pray in Latin to feel good enough? Do u know the meaning of praying? Do u know the meaning and significance of mother tongue? U poor poor thing , u need common sense , psychologist and a dictionary . Latin 😂😂😂😂
Brilliant! Your Climbing Parnassus gave me the "why" for home educating my children in a traditional classical way. As my older kids are now adults, I am seeing the fruits of all that hard work we did. All the eyerolling over Latin and math facts I never ackowledged out loud, but inside wondered if the struggle was worth it. Yes, doing hard things is work, but the fruits will be there in time.
He is absolutely correct. 😊 Today I'd recommend learning a vocation that can provide a decent living, then learn classics (or another field of interest) on one's own at one's own pace at a significantly more affordable cost. It's very possible to do so with so many free or affordable high quality resources available. I'm doing it, and honestly if I can do it - an average guy from a family which legally immigrated to the US, whose first language wasn't English, who grew up in a single parent family, in a lower middle class household, who never went to a single private school, only public education with its depreciating returns, who in the past has worked in various blue collar jobs to make ends meet and raise a young family, and so on - then anyone can do it! Carpe diem! Edit. Fixed some misspellings and grammar.
Mr. Simmons, your thoughtful, well-articulated argument is a pleasure to listen to and to share with others who do not understand the purpose of a classical education. Just listening to your observations causes one to feel ennobled and emboldened to reach higher, with tools that are readily available to transform our, as you so aptly stated “lazy minds” and reach for that which will make us more fully human as we strive for that which is good, true, and beautiful in our daily lives. Thank you!
@@hate.doublespeak991 When Mr. Simmons discussed the poltical horrors we see today and forcing political opponents to conform to a predetermined utopia or to be excluded, bannished or cancelled, I believe he was referring to cultural Marxism and those democrats who practice and are advocates for indoctrination, woke cancel culture, and other mechanisms used to suppress, cancel and destroy freedom of speech by labeling such speech as hate speech, racism, disinformation, misinformation or conspiracies. Please go back and listen to Mr. Simmons beginning at 13:30 and pay close attention to what he is saying and what specific group he is addressing. He was not talking about conservatives, Christians, Republicans or Trump supporters. Instead, he was most likely addressing the cultural Marxists, Communists and Globalists who are currently working to destroy western democracies in order to implement their version of utopia i.e. One World Government, New World Order, Great Reset and the abolition of America's Constitutional Republic, which the regressive Marxist left and many within the democrat party actively support.
Thank you for this message. Well-articulated. I observe what you say each and everyday - in many faculty and in nearly every student. The lack of passion to learn - to even simply observe, to feel something other than boredom, disturbances, the effects of entertainments - is what we are left with.
Excellent video that does two things simultaneously, teaches us why classical education is important but also identifies issues with our current education system.
Right you are... I got a OU / state of Michigan Teaching Certificate in 1978 & & my college was devoid of any measure of a classical / liberal arts education... Now, I am almost 70 years of age & able to "take a mulligan" on this aspect of my education via Hillsdale College's on line courses ( if you get the golf slang) & over the last couple years Hillsdale has "got me hip to da' room"...
My K-12 education was before NCLB. I feel my soul was nurtured as well as my mind. The emphasis was on knowledge, but my teachers taught many of the Great Works and emphasized the wisdom and meaning that could be found within. The individual was emphasized because our individual perspectives were encouraged, we were treated as individuals. We had a balance of individual and group projects rather than a "personalized" education. Education was understood to prepare us for both part and whole, individual and community.
And the anti public education and blind romanization of the past part. It’s very disheartening to hear this coming from an advertisement for educational videos. They can sell it but they seem to not apply it
I'm jealous. I did Science. It gave me a career. It pays the bills, but i never loved it. When I should have been studying for exams I read classical history and thought. I'm 56, I passed my exams and have a job, but i feel like I married for money rather than love.
I totally agree with you , but how do you convince someone not of European descent ? Such people may find it hard to identify with our intellectual heroes. The Asians have their own canons and classics, but how to bring on board people from sub Saharan Africa ?
Horace Mann was a small r republican who wanted to bring Jefferson's and other Founders vision of an educated populace, because the republic and perpetuation of it required everyone to know a great deal, like the Founders. Rockefeller twisted what Mann had begun, not for the purpose of educating the masses but preparing workers.
I am an American public school teacher who teaches Mandarin Chinese. I am a BIG proponent of public education. Public education CAN level the playing field in many ways. A democracy as inclusive as ours needs good thinking and techincally advanced citizens. I think elements of classical education should be brought back into the classroom. But, as an African American, I will always be wary of movements like this. It sounds serene on its surface, but I strongly believe in the teaching of a modern morality. Given that I am the descendant of slaves, who worked hard for their freedom, I would be remiss if I did not urge in the strongest langauge for the continued moral education of the masses. Classical education, especially as it has been traditionally taught, was abandoned for good reason. I agree that the proverbial baby has been thrown out with the bath water, yet I am not convinced the reading of Socrates or Marcus Aurelius will provide a safe guard against the exclusionary practices that made life for minorities miserable in this country. For some, there may be a sense of diginifed nostaglia in these conversations. But it was well educated, classically trained men of their day that unleashed great evils upon people who looked like me because they looked like me.
Interestingly, I think my own secondary education was quite good. We were required to read a variety of texts from Agememnon to A Letter Before Dying. This was a public school education that has served me well. I make a decent salary 80k as a 30 year old teacher with five years of experience. Honestly, return power of the classroom back to the teachers and pay them well. The great failure of public education lays at the hands of politicans who know little of the subject and well meaning parents who are more concerned about a frank conversation about sex in the classroom than their child's literacy. My public school education may have been a rarity, but that is a testament to poor political management and not the endeavor itself.
I'm a white guy who worships the classics, but I can see why you wouldn't. What did they teach us if it didn't alter our behavior for the better ? Perhaps the classics can be rescued as long as we remember they were written by people who inhabited a limited world, and a limited view of who was Human.
@@JohnReilly-wm4sl This is probably very controversial to say but. It is OKAY for white people and black people to have different cannons by which we come to understand our humanity as long as we both see each other as Human. (I loved your capitalization of the word Human. It feels right.) I will note that even at the time of the American Revolution the irony of a slave owning republic was NOT lost on all the founding fathers. Opponents of chattel slavery had many educated in their midst as well some may have argued it was Common Sense. Thank you for the civil dicussion. This is a great part of the internet.
I agree that US public education is a mess, and was when I was in school 60+ years ago. I regret not learning Latin or Greek, although I did start on Greek in my 40s. However, things have changed since the time the classical education was created. As you said, critical thinking is essential, and to make sense this needs facts. However, it matters what facts are used. If the 'fact' of American exceptionalism is accepted, then the result will be rationalization of a dubious premise. It would make more sense to understand history from 1000 CE on and in cultures other than Western than to study the Punic and Peloponnesian wars. Learning and using modern languages (perhaps in addition to Greek) would achieve the same goals, as would *really* learning English. Maths education in the US is mostly a Joke, and fixing it has been an on-going effort since the 1960s, at least. I have seen the effects of the lack of understanding of what maths is really about, even among people with advanced degrees. I would expand the classical education to include the arts and music. What really needs to happen is to realize the difference between education and training. For many people, school is more about learning specific skills for a particular job, and less about learning how to think or understanding humanity's rich cultural history. The critical outcome of any education is the fostering of curiosity, along with the means to learn how to follow that curiosity wherever than leads. The only way this will happen is for individuals to take this on. The government will never give you the education you need to overthrow them -- or even to be a fully awake human being. Heraclitus had the same problem: most people prefer to be asleep.
This was a very snide but beautifully narrated essay. Great mix of hate for the common people and vague but valid criticism about the current state of education. Would be nice if it was less philosophy and opinion and more logical reasoning and evidence and suggestions of actual steps for improvement. This was too much flattery towards the audience and too little call to action.
That continuous music is a jarring mismatch with the intellectual weight demanded by a discourse on classical education and undermines the veracity of Simmons' Statements. By veiling argumentation behind unnecessary melodramatics, the video not only undermines its own thesis but also casts doubt on the discernment of its presenter/presenting-organization. Such audio embellishment clashes with the tradition of plainspoken eloquence that classical education venerates. If the objective is to emphasize the intellectual and moral merits of this educational framework, the music should be removed. Doing so would preserve the presentation’s substance, reinforce its credibility, and spare Memoria Press from a lapse in judgment that reflects poorly on its professed commitment to scholarly excellence.
All of this is true, well and good, and I do not disagree. But there is something else going on in this world that you are overlooking. IQ has dropped continually for over 20 years, so that the average IQ is now 100. We also now have a generation of people birthing children who have no clue how to raise them. You cannot educate wild animals and that is what is being produced in these famiilies, families that want you to raise their children, but by their standards. We are talking about people who have learned to gain the system and have not worked for a living for two generations. So, first you have to solve the societal problem before you can even attempt to solve the educational problem.
What a disgusting attitude. What is this temptation to blame some social boggiman? I’d wager you also blame charity for creating poverty or think some gene lines should be exterminated for the benefit of the superior purer humanity. Disgusting beliefs and attitudes. Self serving is what this is.
Absolutely- because some of us got this high quality education in public schools - a nourished soul, mind and spirit. It’s not the domain of the privately educated. In fact - to go deeper - many privately educated think… this is their natural advantage .. and thus lack hunger, drive and endeavor. They can be disappointing people. Scarcity can create drive in people.
Beware whoever intends to engage in discussion with the video creators. This video is an advertisement for a UA-cam series of for pay educational videos. If you are not a parent who might be swayed to spend big on educational videos, this video is not for you.
....and I quote..... Through deep thinking and a broad imaginative grasp each one of us becomes that citizen of a larger world. Incidentally the time-bound, narrow mind along with keeping us mired in the morass of chronological provinciality also plows the ground for future worship, a belief among the largely unschooled that a near or distant future will be so much better if we could just do A to Z while forcibly sidelining those who have the audacity to resist our Utopian visions. This means 1. You are one of the inner circle. 2. The unschooled are the elite who controls the whole earth. (They created the schooling systems to have intelligent workers) 3. You talk about a future worship - that means the worship of Lucifer by everyone on the earth (both elite and goyam, caticumen) 4. Sidelining those who resist your Utopian Vision and who doesn't want to do .... A to Z (sin hiding in laws or rule of law systems) means you are calling for the inquisition! There you have it, using a talk about "classical education" to spit and promote some future worship agenda? What? Did you think everybody's brains went to sleep while you started spewing like a "loathsome toad" the agenda which you were paid for? There's a reason why the Bible calls Luciferians, loathsome toads because its by continual talking that they spread their evil doctrines. Are we still talking the same thing? Classical Education? Why are you talking about "future worship in a Utopian vision" Why are you talking about "forcibly sidelining" ?
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I want to express myself this eloquently. I want to think critically and deeply. I am so glad to know that, at 25-years old and with the hopes of giving my children a classical education, I can learn as well.
0:28 I'm 25 also and have been been on this path for 6 years now.
I feel so cheated by not getting this type of education. I am a public school teacher with a masters degree and most of it has been a waste of time and money. Now I have to self-educate using videos and books in my spare time. I have a job so there’s that.
I relate. When I was homeschooling my 4 sons I had a chance to teach them logic, Latin & other Classic Ed. I too have a Masters & decided recently to relearn my Latin so I can read the Ancients in their own tongue (& pray in Latin). It’s never too late. Our minds are worth it.
@ That’s great. My kids are basically grown and went through public school but you are right-it’s worth it!
Same here: public school English teacher trying to "educare" my students with an education I was cheated of at their age.
@@downloadqiu have to pray in Latin to feel good enough? Do u know the meaning of praying?
Do u know the meaning and significance of mother tongue?
U poor poor thing , u need common sense , psychologist and a dictionary .
Latin 😂😂😂😂
I am in the same boat, soon to be a teacher. Out of the kindness of your heart, could you please share the names of these books so I can read them?
Brilliant! Your Climbing Parnassus gave me the "why" for home educating my children in a traditional classical way. As my older kids are now adults, I am seeing the fruits of all that hard work we did. All the eyerolling over Latin and math facts I never ackowledged out loud, but inside wondered if the struggle was worth it. Yes, doing hard things is work, but the fruits will be there in time.
He is absolutely correct. 😊 Today I'd recommend learning a vocation that can provide a decent living, then learn classics (or another field of interest) on one's own at one's own pace at a significantly more affordable cost. It's very possible to do so with so many free or affordable high quality resources available. I'm doing it, and honestly if I can do it - an average guy from a family which legally immigrated to the US, whose first language wasn't English, who grew up in a single parent family, in a lower middle class household, who never went to a single private school, only public education with its depreciating returns, who in the past has worked in various blue collar jobs to make ends meet and raise a young family, and so on - then anyone can do it! Carpe diem!
Edit. Fixed some misspellings and grammar.
Mr. Simmons, your thoughtful, well-articulated argument is a pleasure to listen to and to share with others who do not understand the purpose of a classical education. Just listening to your observations causes one to feel ennobled and emboldened to reach higher, with tools that are readily available to transform our, as you so aptly stated “lazy minds” and reach for that which will make us more fully human as we strive for that which is good, true, and beautiful in our daily lives. Thank you!
Nonsense!
Your mind was sleeping when he started talking about Future worship and "forcibly sidelining" which means using force to do millions harm!
@@hate.doublespeak991 When Mr. Simmons discussed the poltical horrors we see today and forcing political opponents to conform to a predetermined utopia or to be excluded, bannished or cancelled, I believe he was referring to cultural Marxism and those democrats who practice and are advocates for indoctrination, woke cancel culture, and other mechanisms used to suppress, cancel and destroy freedom of speech by labeling such speech as hate speech, racism, disinformation, misinformation or conspiracies. Please go back and listen to Mr. Simmons beginning at 13:30 and pay close attention to what he is saying and what specific group he is addressing. He was not talking about conservatives, Christians, Republicans or Trump supporters. Instead, he was most likely addressing the cultural Marxists, Communists and Globalists who are currently working to destroy western democracies in order to implement their version of utopia i.e. One World Government, New World Order, Great Reset and the abolition of America's Constitutional Republic, which the regressive Marxist left and many within the democrat party actively support.
Thank you for this message. Well-articulated. I observe what you say each and everyday - in many faculty and in nearly every student. The lack of passion to learn - to even simply observe, to feel something other than boredom, disturbances, the effects of entertainments - is what we are left with.
Excellent video that does two things simultaneously, teaches us why classical education is important but also identifies issues with our current education system.
Another encouraging video from Memoria Press. Thank you very much for sharing.
Right you are... I got a OU / state of Michigan Teaching Certificate in 1978 & & my college was devoid of any measure of a classical / liberal arts education... Now, I am almost 70 years of age & able to "take a mulligan" on this aspect of my education via Hillsdale College's on line courses ( if you get the golf slang) & over the last couple years Hillsdale has "got me hip to da' room"...
My K-12 education was before NCLB. I feel my soul was nurtured as well as my mind. The emphasis was on knowledge, but my teachers taught many of the Great Works and emphasized the wisdom and meaning that could be found within. The individual was emphasized because our individual perspectives were encouraged, we were treated as individuals. We had a balance of individual and group projects rather than a "personalized" education. Education was understood to prepare us for both part and whole, individual and community.
Magnificent.
Such High quality! Absolutely amazing. I wish you all success!
Excellent! Well spoken.
Thank you ❤.
I'm sold, except for the shaming part.
And the anti public education and blind romanization of the past part. It’s very disheartening to hear this coming from an advertisement for educational videos. They can sell it but they seem to not apply it
I have a Classics degree. People think it was a waste of time. They tell me i should have gone into IT.
Should have. Pays more.
I'm jealous. I did Science. It gave me a career. It pays the bills, but i never loved it. When I should have been studying for exams I read classical history and thought. I'm 56, I passed my exams and have a job, but i feel like I married for money rather than love.
Bear in mind, I didn't have the money to study the classics, but got a grant to study science.
Excellent video !
Well said
The background music detracts from this video.
I totally agree with you , but how do you convince someone not of European descent ? Such people may find it hard to identify with our intellectual heroes. The Asians have their own canons and classics, but how to bring on board people from sub Saharan Africa ?
Horace Mann was a small r republican who wanted to bring Jefferson's and other Founders vision of an educated populace, because the republic and perpetuation of it required everyone to know a great deal, like the Founders.
Rockefeller twisted what Mann had begun, not for the purpose of educating the masses but preparing workers.
I am an American public school teacher who teaches Mandarin Chinese. I am a BIG proponent of public education. Public education CAN level the playing field in many ways. A democracy as inclusive as ours needs good thinking and techincally advanced citizens. I think elements of classical education should be brought back into the classroom. But, as an African American, I will always be wary of movements like this. It sounds serene on its surface, but I strongly believe in the teaching of a modern morality. Given that I am the descendant of slaves, who worked hard for their freedom, I would be remiss if I did not urge in the strongest langauge for the continued moral education of the masses. Classical education, especially as it has been traditionally taught, was abandoned for good reason. I agree that the proverbial baby has been thrown out with the bath water, yet I am not convinced the reading of Socrates or Marcus Aurelius will provide a safe guard against the exclusionary practices that made life for minorities miserable in this country. For some, there may be a sense of diginifed nostaglia in these conversations. But it was well educated, classically trained men of their day that unleashed great evils upon people who looked like me because they looked like me.
Interestingly, I think my own secondary education was quite good. We were required to read a variety of texts from Agememnon to A Letter Before Dying. This was a public school education that has served me well. I make a decent salary 80k as a 30 year old teacher with five years of experience. Honestly, return power of the classroom back to the teachers and pay them well. The great failure of public education lays at the hands of politicans who know little of the subject and well meaning parents who are more concerned about a frank conversation about sex in the classroom than their child's literacy. My public school education may have been a rarity, but that is a testament to poor political management and not the endeavor itself.
I'm a white guy who worships the classics, but I can see why you wouldn't. What did they teach us if it didn't alter our behavior for the better ? Perhaps the classics can be rescued as long as we remember they were written by people who inhabited a limited world, and a limited view of who was Human.
@@JohnReilly-wm4sl This is probably very controversial to say but. It is OKAY for white people and black people to have different cannons by which we come to understand our humanity as long as we both see each other as Human. (I loved your capitalization of the word Human. It feels right.) I will note that even at the time of the American Revolution the irony of a slave owning republic was NOT lost on all the founding fathers. Opponents of chattel slavery had many educated in their midst as well some may have argued it was Common Sense. Thank you for the civil dicussion. This is a great part of the internet.
I agree that US public education is a mess, and was when I was in school 60+ years ago. I regret not learning Latin or Greek, although I did start on Greek in my 40s. However, things have changed since the time the classical education was created. As you said, critical thinking is essential, and to make sense this needs facts. However, it matters what facts are used. If the 'fact' of American exceptionalism is accepted, then the result will be rationalization of a dubious premise. It would make more sense to understand history from 1000 CE on and in cultures other than Western than to study the Punic and Peloponnesian wars. Learning and using modern languages (perhaps in addition to Greek) would achieve the same goals, as would *really* learning English. Maths education in the US is mostly a Joke, and fixing it has been an on-going effort since the 1960s, at least. I have seen the effects of the lack of understanding of what maths is really about, even among people with advanced degrees. I would expand the classical education to include the arts and music. What really needs to happen is to realize the difference between education and training. For many people, school is more about learning specific skills for a particular job, and less about learning how to think or understanding humanity's rich cultural history.
The critical outcome of any education is the fostering of curiosity, along with the means to learn how to follow that curiosity wherever than leads.
The only way this will happen is for individuals to take this on. The government will never give you the education you need to overthrow them -- or even to be a fully awake human being.
Heraclitus had the same problem: most people prefer to be asleep.
We've landed in the time when people say your guyses. It's already over.
All of this education, knowledge, and experience and still we put white lettering onto a white video background.
This was a very snide but beautifully narrated essay. Great mix of hate for the common people and vague but valid criticism about the current state of education. Would be nice if it was less philosophy and opinion and more logical reasoning and evidence and suggestions of actual steps for improvement.
This was too much flattery towards the audience and too little call to action.
That continuous music is a jarring mismatch with the intellectual weight demanded by a discourse on classical education and undermines the veracity of Simmons' Statements. By veiling argumentation behind unnecessary melodramatics, the video not only undermines its own thesis but also casts doubt on the discernment of its presenter/presenting-organization. Such audio embellishment clashes with the tradition of plainspoken eloquence that classical education venerates. If the objective is to emphasize the intellectual and moral merits of this educational framework, the music should be removed. Doing so would preserve the presentation’s substance, reinforce its credibility, and spare Memoria Press from a lapse in judgment that reflects poorly on its professed commitment to scholarly excellence.
You got away without mentioning virtue??
All of this is true, well and good, and I do not disagree. But there is something else going on in this world that you are overlooking. IQ has dropped continually for over 20 years, so that the average IQ is now 100. We also now have a generation of people birthing children who have no clue how to raise them. You cannot educate wild animals and that is what is being produced in these famiilies, families that want you to raise their children, but by their standards. We are talking about people who have learned to gain the system and have not worked for a living for two generations. So, first you have to solve the societal problem before you can even attempt to solve the educational problem.
The average iq is ALWAYS 100. That’s why it is the average.
@@lucyq7ollie How sad! I would hope the Classical Education would help the issues we have in society.
What a disgusting attitude. What is this temptation to blame some social boggiman? I’d wager you also blame charity for creating poverty or think some gene lines should be exterminated for the benefit of the superior purer humanity. Disgusting beliefs and attitudes. Self serving is what this is.
I appreciate the intention and sentiment, but this comes off as pretentious. Also the music needs to be turned down.
Absolutely- because some of us got this high quality education in public schools - a nourished soul, mind and spirit. It’s not the domain of the privately educated.
In fact - to go deeper - many privately educated think… this is their natural advantage .. and thus lack hunger, drive and endeavor. They can be disappointing people.
Scarcity can create drive in people.
@@naj70isn’t it just the issue at hand, that only some received this elusive education from the public? I believe this is the criticism
A stupidly well written essay
Beware whoever intends to engage in discussion with the video creators. This video is an advertisement for a UA-cam series of for pay educational videos. If you are not a parent who might be swayed to spend big on educational videos, this video is not for you.
....and I quote.....
Through deep thinking and a broad imaginative grasp each one of us becomes that citizen of a larger world. Incidentally the time-bound, narrow mind along with keeping us mired in the morass of chronological provinciality also plows the ground for future worship, a belief among the largely unschooled that a near or distant future will be so much better if we could just do A to Z while forcibly sidelining those who have the audacity to resist our Utopian visions.
This means
1. You are one of the inner circle.
2. The unschooled are the elite who controls the whole earth. (They created the schooling systems to have intelligent workers)
3. You talk about a future worship - that means the worship of Lucifer by everyone on the earth (both elite and goyam, caticumen)
4. Sidelining those who resist your Utopian Vision and who doesn't want to do .... A to Z (sin hiding in laws or rule of law systems) means you are calling for the inquisition!
There you have it, using a talk about "classical education" to spit and promote some future worship agenda?
What?
Did you think everybody's brains went to sleep while you started spewing like a "loathsome toad" the agenda which you were paid for?
There's a reason why the Bible calls Luciferians, loathsome toads because its by continual talking that they spread their evil doctrines.
Are we still talking the same thing? Classical Education?
Why are you talking about "future worship in a Utopian vision"
Why are you talking about "forcibly sidelining"
?