Great explanation in this vid. Got a grinder ordered so should ve getting some chains converted soon. Lookin forewardto falling with them this summer!! Thanks!
I mean no offense or jest, but first thing you do is take out any stops, no need for stops, you grind until you get the top and side cutter plates sharp and the point just right. You don't grind until some bolt stops you while the cutter hasn't been ground anywhere close to the right profile or sharp. The ONLY conceivable reason for a stop would be to get equal length on all the cutters, which again, doesn't matter, all you're doing is hogging out lots of material over-all from a chain, severely reducing it's service life, a chain cuts just fine with missing cutters.
Hell yea brother! I refuse too buy a simington or any of the expensive “sqaure grinders” thank you so much for making this cheaper option available too us
You are welcome my friend! I was in the same boat so I'm happy to help. We're working on an all aluminum model that will lower the price a bit more. It would still be 100% Made in USA and very high quality. We're currently doing durability testing to see if it will hold up well. If it is tough enough it may be the way to go. I'll post some videos if we decide to offer them.
Nice! If I get a Jolly Evo I'll get your fixture! I have a cheapo grinder right now, most likely I'll be making my own setup out of that, I'm a fiddler. Btw, one way to get that round sideplate flat without grinding for eons per tooth to get it straight up & down: Grab a raker file and file sideplate flat from inside of the cutter tooth and out (you're just looking to hog the material out) 😊
Definitely, the jigs work really well. This video was made before I figured out how fast the cbn cuts. The pink wheels are not really for heavily transforming the tooth. Kind of figured that out later. The vitrified wheel and the CBN are much faster.
That's an awesome jig! I have a simington grinder which can be really finicky. Advance for anyone who grinds chain. Use a blue/ceramic wheel and you won't take the temper out of your cutter😊
Right on, thanks Casey. Yeah, the Simington grinders are great. The blue wheels make a nice finish. I've heard the salmon colored wheels are good too but I haven't used one yet. My guess is they are a coarser wheel. The universal grinders have a bunch of different wheels and grit available as well. Anyway happy cutting my friend.
This video was even better the third time watching it. I presume that setting the grinding angle 8 or 9 degrees into the wheel (i.e. opposite the angle you would use for standard round grinding without the SquareJig) is how you get the 25 or 30 degree top plate angle? If you set the grinding angle centered at 0 degrees (instead of 8 degrees left or right) I suppose you would end up with ripping chain, with a flat straight top plate?
Hi Bill, Thanks. Yes, I think you have it down. It does seem like the top plate angles don't translate to exactly the same as the round grinder. They may be off some degrees. Setting the dial to zero or close to zero will set your ripping cutters. It will cut flat into the bottom of the kerf. For cross cut, you can run them at a steeper angle. Putting an angle on the top plate makes the outside of the top plate taller than the inside. It cuts into the bottom of the kerf with an inverse "V" shape. I hear this make nice strait cuts when cross cutting.
Square filers want to have the cutter to lean forward about 5 degrees forward from a 90. What would be the best way to set the grinder and dress the stone to get the angles right for that? Is that an Oregon grinder and an eight inch wheel? Thanks
Hi Jerr, You can remove 5 more degrees from each side of the wheel. So it would be removing 27.5 total. or set to 62.5 on the tilt. Yes, this is an Oregon 410-120 with 5.75'' wheel.
Ghost, thank you. We haven't tested that one yet. We will be testing more models soon. The main features that are needed are the 10 degree tilt and the manual clamp. I can reach out to you once we do our testing if you like.
@@t.jeffveal-goattownfirewood Hi Jeff, I think hydraulics don't have a manual function but there are manual 10 degree tilt vises available. The Tecomec FL136 has the same base as the Oregon 410-120. I think the 10 degree tilt vises might fit on the SuperJolly. I can let you know for sure when I find out if you're interested.
@@williamwallace9620 Awesome. I know I need to get the website updated. It's not as user friendly as it could be. The 1.5" clamp fits the 40 degree holders and the 2" clamps fit the 45 and 50 degree holders.
This has the idea of being a square grinder and it may be fine for homeowners but I would strongly suggest to anyone that really wants a proper square ground chain to buy a proper square grinder, especially if you have to purchase a grinder also.
Hello, good to hear from you in Sweden! Its possible but takes a lot of extra time. The thin wheels are still a bit too wide. It was easier to convert bar and sprocket to 3/8
Hi Michael, It's possible but it is too wide to be double beveled. The 3/16th wheel has to be dressed only on one side for it to work. The single bevel requires the wheel to be flipped over to cut the other side of the chain. The main issue is that the wheel becomes slightly off in the arbor every time the wheel is removed. The elliptical shape will create an unwanted vibration and may require redressing every time the wheel is flipped. I'd only do this if I was in a MacGyver situation. Hope this help my friend.
Thank you. I just ordered the 45 degree kit yesterday. I bought the Oregon grinder, but the 1/8 wheel came damaged. I’ll have to get a new wheel. I’m looking forward to using it
@@michaellineberger6504 Dang yeah I've broken the 1/8th inch wheels too. I know Tecomec has a white and green wheel I'd like to test out. I think a video on testing all the grinding wheels is in the works soon. Molemab I think makes them too. I've had pretty good luck with the pink wheels. I hear the salmon colored wheels are supposed to be great but I haven't found them in 5.75 inch. Also Congrats on the new 45 degree kit. Feel free to reach out to me if you have any questions or need some tips and tricks.
Good vid. Most vids you can't make out the final grind , thanks for turning it, we got the perfect view of the v-cut in the tooth
I ordered mine last friday, i cant wait to try it!!
Great explanation in this vid. Got a grinder ordered so should ve getting some chains converted soon. Lookin forewardto falling with them this summer!! Thanks!
Thank you my friend. Can't wait to see you putting some trees down. Reach out if you need anything.
I love the tool, works great. Tried my first attempt at it ,cut fast ,big chips. I have 3 more done execpt for rakers. can't wait to try the 28"!
Really good to hear Donald! Thank you for the positive feedback.
Looks great , just need to see one going on a stihl usg , hopefully soon and I’ll get one sent to Australia.
I’ll second the USG square grind jig
I REALLY like this jig. One suggestion though: incorporating a stop like the standard Oregon vise has would make a good product great.
I mean no offense or jest, but first thing you do is take out any stops, no need for stops, you grind until you get the top and side cutter plates sharp and the point just right.
You don't grind until some bolt stops you while the cutter hasn't been ground anywhere close to the right profile or sharp.
The ONLY conceivable reason for a stop would be to get equal length on all the cutters, which again, doesn't matter, all you're doing is hogging out lots of material over-all from a chain, severely reducing it's service life, a chain cuts just fine with missing cutters.
Im going to have to order one of these! Cheers from bc canada!
Cheers D-rail!
Hell yea brother! I refuse too buy a simington or any of the expensive “sqaure grinders” thank you so much for making this cheaper option available too us
You are welcome my friend! I was in the same boat so I'm happy to help. We're working on an all aluminum model that will lower the price a bit more. It would still be 100% Made in USA and very high quality. We're currently doing durability testing to see if it will hold up well. If it is tough enough it may be the way to go. I'll post some videos if we decide to offer them.
Have one ordered hopefully it will make it to Australia soon can’t wait to try it
I was about to figure out how to do this myself. I knew there had to be a way. Looking forward to the aluminum version. I'll be a buyer.
Nice! If I get a Jolly Evo I'll get your fixture! I have a cheapo grinder right now, most likely I'll be making my own setup out of that, I'm a fiddler.
Btw, one way to get that round sideplate flat without grinding for eons per tooth to get it straight up & down: Grab a raker file and file sideplate flat from inside of the cutter tooth and out (you're just looking to hog the material out) 😊
Definitely, the jigs work really well. This video was made before I figured out how fast the cbn cuts. The pink wheels are not really for heavily transforming the tooth. Kind of figured that out later. The vitrified wheel and the CBN are much faster.
That's an awesome jig!
I have a simington grinder which can be really finicky.
Advance for anyone who grinds chain. Use a blue/ceramic wheel and you won't take the temper out of your cutter😊
Right on, thanks Casey. Yeah, the Simington grinders are great. The blue wheels make a nice finish. I've heard the salmon colored wheels are good too but I haven't used one yet. My guess is they are a coarser wheel. The universal grinders have a bunch of different wheels and grit available as well. Anyway happy cutting my friend.
Well explained good video good idea 👍
Thank you James.
?Das ist die beste Idee 👌👍👍wo kann man das kaufen
Thanks! www.ketten-schaerfen.de for most of Europe and Squarejig.com for everywhere else.
Like the close ups . Could show the whole grinder a bit more . Like what brand & model . Maybe put you smiley face on camera
This video was even better the third time watching it. I presume that setting the grinding angle 8 or 9 degrees into the wheel (i.e. opposite the angle you would use for standard round grinding without the SquareJig) is how you get the 25 or 30 degree top plate angle? If you set the grinding angle centered at 0 degrees (instead of 8 degrees left or right) I suppose you would end up with ripping chain, with a flat straight top plate?
Hi Bill, Thanks. Yes, I think you have it down. It does seem like the top plate angles don't translate to exactly the same as the round grinder. They may be off some degrees. Setting the dial to zero or close to zero will set your ripping cutters. It will cut flat into the bottom of the kerf. For cross cut, you can run them at a steeper angle. Putting an angle on the top plate makes the outside of the top plate taller than the inside. It cuts into the bottom of the kerf with an inverse "V" shape. I hear this make nice strait cuts when cross cutting.
Square filers want to have the cutter to lean forward about 5 degrees forward from a 90. What would be the best way to set the grinder and dress the stone to get the angles right for that? Is that an Oregon grinder and an eight inch wheel? Thanks
Hi Jerr, You can remove 5 more degrees from each side of the wheel. So it would be removing 27.5 total. or set to 62.5 on the tilt. Yes, this is an Oregon 410-120 with 5.75'' wheel.
how do I set the depth of cut for the tooth the stop won't come out far enough?
This looks awesome, would this work on a 610-120?
Ghost, thank you. We haven't tested that one yet. We will be testing more models soon. The main features that are needed are the 10 degree tilt and the manual clamp. I can reach out to you once we do our testing if you like.
@@squarejig I see that it won't work with the Tecomec Super Jolly grinder we have...😢...
@@t.jeffveal-goattownfirewood Hi Jeff, I think hydraulics don't have a manual function but there are manual 10 degree tilt vises available. The Tecomec FL136 has the same base as the Oregon 410-120. I think the 10 degree tilt vises might fit on the SuperJolly. I can let you know for sure when I find out if you're interested.
Is this just a normal Oregon grinder converted over?
Yes. The Squarejig clamps in and adds the square grinding feature.
Would your jig work on a Stihl chain grinder ? Thanks.
Hi Jon, they almost work but there are modifications required on the USG.
What kind of changes on the Stihl grinder ? And is it worth it ?
Hi, if one were to purchase the 45 degree kit could they just purchase the top piece for the 50 degree or would they have to buy a whole other kit?
Yes, we will offer individual holders for sale.
@@squarejig Thank you
@@williamwallace9620 Hi William, Let me check the website and see what's going on.
@@williamwallace9620 Awesome. I know I need to get the website updated. It's not as user friendly as it could be. The 1.5" clamp fits the 40 degree holders and the 2" clamps fit the 45 and 50 degree holders.
@@williamwallace9620 You can use a 40 with a 2" base. It just doesn't look as nice.
This has the idea of being a square grinder and it may be fine for homeowners but I would strongly suggest to anyone that really wants a proper square ground chain to buy a proper square grinder, especially if you have to purchase a grinder also.
can you do 0.325 chain on this jig too? Cheers from Sweden
Hello, good to hear from you in Sweden! Its possible but takes a lot of extra time. The thin wheels are still a bit too wide. It was easier to convert bar and sprocket to 3/8
@@squarejig Thanks for the info. Will this jig work on the 520-120 too?
Can you use the 3/16” width wheel or does it have to be 1/8”?
Hi Michael,
It's possible but it is too wide to be double beveled. The 3/16th wheel has to be dressed only on one side for it to work. The single bevel requires the wheel to be flipped over to cut the other side of the chain. The main issue is that the wheel becomes slightly off in the arbor every time the wheel is removed. The elliptical shape will create an unwanted vibration and may require redressing every time the wheel is flipped. I'd only do this if I was in a MacGyver situation. Hope this help my friend.
Thank you. I just ordered the 45 degree kit yesterday. I bought the Oregon grinder, but the 1/8 wheel came damaged. I’ll have to get a new wheel. I’m looking forward to using it
@@michaellineberger6504 Right on! Let me know how it goes. If you need any help, feel free to reach out to me any time.
@@michaellineberger6504 Dang yeah I've broken the 1/8th inch wheels too. I know Tecomec has a white and green wheel I'd like to test out. I think a video on testing all the grinding wheels is in the works soon. Molemab I think makes them too. I've had pretty good luck with the pink wheels. I hear the salmon colored wheels are supposed to be great but I haven't found them in 5.75 inch. Also Congrats on the new 45 degree kit. Feel free to reach out to me if you have any questions or need some tips and tricks.
How do you acquire one ???
Squarejig.com
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Where do you get that jig?
Squarejig.com
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Thanks coolestguy ontheplanet! Much appreciated.
This is cool, but expensive as hell.
We have an aluminum version that is almost done. It will be lower in price.
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