Sony's New 247MP Sensor and Fuji X100VI Craziness Continues | The PetaPixel Podcast
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The team dissects the week's biggest news including the reveal of Sony’s 247-megapixel medium format sensor. Leica also admitted that selling L-mount cameras is harder than selling its M- or Q-series bodies. Also, Canva acquired Serif Affinity to become a player in the professional editing space.
Finally, Fujifilm made its Limited Edition X100VI available to purchase in the United States last week and that was a whole ordeal with twists, turns, and an uncertain ending.
Plus, Matt Lloyd, ASC, CSC, is a director of photography, a cinematographer (you may know his work from Ava Duvernay’s Origin, Marvel’s Spider-Man: Far From Home, Power Rangers, Fargo, and Insecure) joins to talk about making movies, TV, and music videos. He’s also from Calgary, Alberta, where Chris and Jordan call home.
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In This Episode:
00:00 - Intro, where we talk about first dates
07:25 - Sony has a new 247-megapixel medium format sensor: petapixel.com/2024/03/25/sony...
09:33 - Leica admits selling L-mount cameras is harder than M or Q series: petapixel.com/2024/03/22/leic...
13:36 - Canva acquires Affinity: petapixel.com/2024/03/26/canv...
17:23 - Fujifilm X100VI limited edition sale nearly crashes Fuji's site (petapixel.com/2024/03/21/fuji...) and sells out in minutes (petapixel.com/2024/03/21/fuji...) . Fuji will cancel "suspicious" purchases and raffle them: petapixel.com/2024/03/25/fuji...
22:16 - Matt Lloyd talks about making feature-length movies, TV, and music videos
1:06:51 - What have you been up to?
1:08:05 - Logitech Mevo Core initial impressions
1:11:21 - Tech support
1:24:00 - Never read the comments - Наука та технологія
247 mp camera? Sounds like a perfect vlogging sensors. 🤣
Dont forget about that 5mm f0.7 lens!
Vlogging? I’ll use it as my dash cam
I need that for my instagram stories
I kinda like that Logitech webcam is living life on its own.
It's just vibin
I very much appreciate the time stamps. Very useful. Thanks!
You should really test out one of the Pixii rangefinders. That would be really interesting!
+1, I'd love to see that camera reviewed by "more established" reviewers
Leica S series medium format cameras use 3:2 sensors, and apparently the new one is two years away 😉
Can we do a camera body count? 😂
Thanks for answering my speedpipe guys... sorry it cut off just as I got to the question, but you guessed about right. I was after any must see places on my tour that don't often get mentioned in the guides. Pacific coast route 1 and Big Sur, will do. I will monitor the routes available from Mono Lake to Yosemite to see if there is a way around I can do in a day that isn't closed for snow. Thanks again and Long Live PetaPixel!
The reason why the IMX 811 is 3:2 and not 4:3 is that it is a rolling shutter sensor, and making it flatter enables the sensor to improve on its readout speed - so it can produce higher frame rate, which is important in certain industrial applications where overlapping images are captured anyways (for example aerial mapping), so it doesn't really matter what is the aspect ratio of the sensor. And Criss was right, the first IMX 461 based camera was the Phase One iXM 100 unmanned aerial (aka drone) camera. It was released much sooner than the FF, and H consumer cameras, as they were struggling with overheating.
Please can you cover the RICOH GR III HDF on the next episode, I'd love to know your thoughts on adding a niche filter to a 5 year old camera and saying its a new camera. They've basically done this for all cameras released by them since 2019, in the same timeframe Fuji have gone from the GFX 50R to the GFX 100 ii
Also it might be interesting to look at the response from the GR community on social media and Reddit etc, it seems to be fairly strongly bad. I've never really seen a new camera being criticized like this before but then again I'm not really looking
0:51 "Masochistic sex dungeon" Kinda like being a Micro 4/3 user. Which I am.
It’s gonna be on the Leica mirrorless medium format camera in a year and a half from now.
Leica can do a Fujifilm:
Step 1 - fail to compete outside of your niche with fullframe frontrunners, in terms of AF and specs that matter, while abandoning the core benefits of your niche.
Step 2 - Specialise in emergent tech you can't properly support due to a lack of investment in fundamentals such as AF and IBIS. These might be BSI/Stacked/High MP/Monochrome/X-trans/organic sensors.
Step 3 - Jump into Medium Format, because what is mediocre in full frame is groundbreaking in larger formats.
Step 4 - Cash in as fast as possible before the big boys come over to medium format with their solid tech and step on you again.
Step 5 - Never invest in a software/product department that could produce competitive AF algorithms, robust stabilisation systems, cleaner low light performance, or quality UX. Also, if anyone suggests your cameras should be compact: Fire them.
Medium format, especially with that resolution, is a studio camera especially for product photography. But now with pixelshift you can basically get the detail needed
I don't know of any pixel-shift system that works with studio flash
@@SteveAshdown - Hmm true true. It’ll work with lighting but not flash
Is there any way we can have some prior announcement so there could have prior knowledge of guests so there could be a segment for community q&a?
Even if it’s not exactly the week of the episode, maybe there could be a community post saying something along the lines of “if we had a professional dp as a guest, what would you want us to ask him?”, or another way so we, the audience can also participate in the conversation. I know that I, for example, would’ve loved to have the opportunity to ask both Kristi and Matt some questions
Affinity is quite good, dont think they are that far behind.
That Z6 II should be rated for 200k shots. So that guy probably has years of fun left.
The 247 Mp 3:2 sensor may not be wider than a normal medium format sensor, and thereby compatible with existing lenses?
I agree with Chris. There will be a Limited Edition of the Month.
That is a cool fly fishing mug!
Sl2S here. quite happy what I have and what I am getting.
People are insane that limited edition one isn't limited edition looking enough for the madness.
Tarpy's Roadhouse is excellent! Have eaten there a lot whenever I was in .... the area. They do game meats quite well.
Recent Viltrox lenses have been really solid. Starting with the 13mm 1.4 APS-C. A little on the heavy side but welcomed for the X mount.
Highway 1 south of Big Sur is closed in both directions. You can't drive the coast from Monterey to Santa Barbara.
I loved previous videos of Chris and Jordan having a shoot off with different cameras - any chance we could get another one of those?
Hey Chris, Jordan and Jaron. A tech quesion maybe for next podcast: Would you prefer the new Sigma 50 1.2 or the Sony 50 1.4 GM? All videos compare the 1.2 versions but I look at the similar price for the Sony 1.4 instead. Thanks for sharing your thoughts or recommendations. Cheers, Chris
I'm still waiting for my pre-order in Germany. It's been now more than a month!
Hi all! Question for you. Do you expect Sigma renewing the APSC trio lenses (16, 30, 56 mm f1.4) in the next couple of years?
Instead of talking about sensor size, megapixels etc., I would like to hear from Chris if there are any situations when he can't get the shot with his OM Systems gear and need to use something else? Thanks much, Chuck
Living in central CA, we’re all aware that boring as hell here ha
Gonna leave this here goat 🐐 for Chris Niccolls 😂
Go Zags!!
You failed to mention Muir Woods, the Monterey bay aquarium, and point lobos state park. And if you are driving hwy 1 why not go a little further north and visit Point Reyes. And anyone going to Reno who doesn't visit Lake Tahoe is wasting a great opportunity. Although last time I visited Lake Tahoe I couldn't find a single parking place in any of the pull outs to view the lake. It was that crowded.
Great as always! Looking forward to the Viltrox assessment. I shoot Sony APSC and I have some beloved Sigma lenses (which I will continue to use), but there's a secret sause to the Viltrox lenses. I currently own the 13mm, 27mm and the 75mm.
As long as it has the same sensor diagonal, the lens doesn't have to be "optimized" for 3:2 or 4:3. The lens is a circle. The diameter/diagonal is the relevant part, not the ratio.
Good on Fuji for cancelling those suspicious scalper orders.
I totally agree the SL3 is a tough sell because of the incredible value for money you can get from competitors. Seems like grifting off the Leica legacy without some USP.
Jordan, please help the guys set up their camera's and lighting. You are so 😎 and Chris & Jaren are giving me 🥶 vibes. 😉
JAILBREAK THE SONY A1 & A7Siii!!!
You really want to brick your camera?
@@tonygerassi1502 🤣 I will unchain the 15FPS limit for Sigma Primes on the A1...I will unleash 1 second PreCapture...Animal/Bird 👁 AF in Video & Focus Bracketing in Camera. Also the ability to customize every button to do anything, including touch shutter on the LCD screen. I am 2 years ahead of the game
Well now I’m gonna have to find somewhere that’s playing Origin! Wonder if it’s at all still in theaters
DJI is going for Leica’s base with Hassy interface, similar colour science and similar lenses only with better IQ and a little bigger. Interesting to see when Leica releases a medium format to try and retain their customers seeking improved IQ
very concerning that CANVA has taken over AFFINITY - that's like McDonald's buying a 3 Star Michelin restaurant
PP podcast. Please call it the PP podcast!
Affinity is nothing like CANVA or Photoshop. I was a longtime Photoshop user and purchased Affinity when Adobe went the subscription route. Affinity has a steep learning curve even for those familiar with Photoshop. They are THAT different. CANVA has dumbed-down the interface to a point where you can pick it in a short time and they encourage you to use templates instead of your own creativity. I think CANVA wants to profit from Affinity by spinning the linkage as a path towards a power user, but basic users will soon run into the interface wall because CANVA and Affinity as so very different.
Have an SL3 about a week, sold my SL2. Quite happy. The body fits my hands well, love the grip and interface (no contest other than Hasselblad). Leica lenses (6), yeah, expensive, but they do have a 'look' in about 30 ~ 40% of images that I never could get with my Canon, Nikon, Sony. Disclaimer: my experience with the others is now 4 to 8 years old, and I'm sure times have changed. Unlike the world, I have zero interest in video, so I can't speak to that- I'll take Jordan at his word. Only downside of the SL3- even though it's not that much smaller or lighter than the SL2- is I no longer feel I could beat away a bear with the body. That could go either way. Again, quite happy, although my bank account is moaning.
Concerning Peter's travel photography question. With all the travel he has planned, it's inevitable that he will miss a lot. That being said, with all the travel he'll be doing he won't be able to help but see wonderful things to photograph just by being curious about "What's down this road?" It is simply impossible to see everything of interest in the SW (or the American West in general) even over a period of months. So don't sweat it. But if you want to see what's here or there, click on place names on Google Maps, then look at the photos that people have taken at that location. You won't see a lot of great (or even good) photography, but it will give you an idea of what an area looks like and whether or not it's worth your while to explore.
Tarpy’s? I love place. When I could still afford to go to Laguna Seca I’d eat there every time.
Right? Picture of consistency for the last 25+ years.
The spicy tuna tacos are the best
I'd love to see a video, or at least hear some thoughts on this subject: there is a small, but vocal minority of OM system wildlife shooters who claim that the 40-150 2.8 pro, coupled with the 2x teleconverter, is not just a niche setup, but so good it has become their everyday setup, and outperforms most other options with similar focal range (such as the 75-300 II.) I am, to put it mildly, a bit skeptical, and would love to see a more objective test of that combo, as well as some general thoughts on if teleconverters still deserve the bad rap they've inherited from older models.
love!
When will the Japanese catch up with Leica and Hasselblad user interface? User experience thinking in Japan seems to need recalibration
@7:25 Leica S2 has a 3:2 digital medium format sensor 45*30mm. And there are rumors of a successor...
Oops, that thing is 54x36.
Soo 109mpx FF upright without turning the camera.
Or 136mpx in 54x19.9 (65:24)
Watch the next Sigma FP have that sensor
I am late to the party here, but regarding Leica FF cameras: I think Leica could still develop a "Leica" style with the SL line. But it would have to be opposite of what they currently have. It seems like up until the SL3 they were leaning toward the feel of a mirrorless S camera. The camera is large, the lenses are really really large. What I would like to see them do is go in the opposite direction. A slimmed down SL with a bit more classic SLR touches and a set of small lenses to go along with it. Some Leica skinned Sigma Contemporary lenses would really work. They could even re-imagine a CL rangefinder style FF version as well.
My Lumix GX85's 16mp sensor does just fine. As does my TL2's 24mp. Unless you're a photographer for billboards, anything beyond that is unnecessary. You know I'm right...
Anytime the question of "who needs all that resolution" comes up, the answer is Defense. Research and Industrial too, but the army would love to slap a 10000MP sensor on a drone for reconnaissance and target identification. That aside - I'll admit that my GX85 puts out JPEGs I'm very happy with as viewed-as-a-whole static 'images', but part of the joy of photography for me is exploring and reliving a scene through detail resolution. I like zooming in to 150% and looking around the image to see something I witnessed in real life in 'larger than life' detail, so I'll always take more resolution to enable that viewing experience.
Thank you, guys, for reading my comment - I asked for Viltrox lenses review.
This company recently produced few fast autofocusing primes for Fuji. Would be great if you decide to take those.
I agree guys! Fuji are having a laugh with these limited editions, it's like they are just trying to create hype around the camera by deliberately not making enough of them.
Fishermen's Friends cough drops are not for wusses. I love 'em but no one else in my family will touch them.... good stuff!
You did the 135mm shoot out between Nikon, Sony And Canon. Now that we have the Sigma 50mm f/1.2, why not do a 50mm f/1.2 shootout across all manufacturers... Nikon, Sony, Canon and Sigma.
That'll help me decide if to get the Nikon to go with my z6ii or wait on the sigma z-mount... Right now I'm using the f-mount 50 f/1.8 G...
It's true battery life is good on the OM-1. I have two batteries... yet I only need one. Peace of mind at least.
What industry does utilize Medium format CMOS sensors? i'm struggling to understand what they mean by "industrial use"
Currently, medium format sensors are used applications such as QA inspection of products like flat panels, PCBs and solar panels, for security surveillance, for UAVs and aerial mapping, and a specific model is used for astronomy.
Shutter rating means that camera was tested for such amount of actuations to still have exactly corect timings. Not that it will die when lets say 200k is reached. Clean camera with properly lubricated mechanism can easily do even 2-3 millions of shutter clicks. But at the end 1/8000s might actually be around 1/5000s.
And if camera inside is dirty especially full of fine sand from beaches or animal fur, it dramatically shortens shutter or mirror mechanism life expectancy. Salt environment also. So if your camera is daily shooting at beach with you frequently changing lenses etc, it easily can die before reaching 50k clicks.
The L-Mount lens ecosystem is in a good place in 2024. We need more variety from the L-Mount camera bodies tho. C-mon now!
Here me out: Pentax 645Zii with sensor.
I have an x100VI on order, I really need to update my original x100 which I bought new years ago; I have been waiting for them to get to at least this point with the X100VI in specs. Sadly, there is this kind of mania for the VI and people like me, who are long-term Fuji users get kind of victimized waiting for all the "hip" types, who, apparently are lemmings, that get in the way.
Really it is kind of nuts this behavior of people. But, maybe I am just being snarky, who knows.
Life is short, I'll freaking buy it.
Think I’d buy a Q3 before a scalped x100vi
I am surprised by the answer about the 40 Mpx APS-C vs the 40 Mpx FF. This answer will lead to disppointments. With the APS-C you will lose 1 stop dynamic range and noise but the main point are the lenses . 40 Mpx APS-C has the pixel density of 98 Mpx FF. Most of the APS-C current lenses won’t take advantage of this sensor while 42/45 Mpx FF is still a very good sensor for a vast majority of the modern FF lenses.
Taking in account the potential of the current lenses , to get the maximum of them the sweet spot is 24/26 Mpx in APS-C and 42/50 Mpx in FF.
Regarding the DOF, keep in mind that one stop difference due to the focal lengths will lead you to a buy a 32mm f1.2 for your APS-C instead of a 50mm f1.8. Are you going to save money ?
I was going to say the same thing about Leica - people don't buy Rolex because it tells the time so much better. They buy it because of the design, heritage, and craftsmanship. There will always be rich people who want a premium product and it's never going to be a huge market share.
What hurts them is their own schemes like taking the sigma 100-400 and just selling it for way more money in a different housing.
Tarpy's is excellent!
The SL3's new power button is fantasic. Works great, no issues, and the informative signals it offers when charging are delightful. With a standby mode, afforded by the new on/off button, there will be a lot of unique capabilities afforded to it in conjunction with the mobile app. Lastly, the OS, IP54 weather resistance, and use of M lenses set the SL3 apart from other full-framed bodies.
What do you mean by use of M lenses? They can easily be adapted to any mirrorless system.
@@unn4medfeel1ng I have found using M lenses on the Sl system system via Leica’s adapter to be a better user experience. It just works, whereas other adapters on non-Leica bodies have been buggy, though it’s minor. I haven’t done extensive testing, however other photographers have noted better firmware support with all Leica equipment, not needing to do lens calibration as the paring is aligned on Leica bodies, and that corner performance and vignetting are a non-issue on the SL system.
Boasting about ip54 and a Roomba power button 💀
Reeks of delightful copy paste from their unique marketing literature.
@@POVwithRC Not a direct copy and paste. I’ve had the SL3 for over a week and I really do enjoy how the power button functions and how it opens up new functionality for the camera (sleep to wake is incredibly fast). As for the IP54 rating, I watched a few behind the scenes videos to learn how Leica tests and further improves the cameras to withstand extreme climates. It’s extra insurance for those of us who travel.
I have a fascination with 1:1 images and the challenges they present. But, 247MP?! Talk about not having to care about framing, because you can throw away 150MP of image and still have more than most cameras give you.
Very skeptical about claims of high megapixel count sensors when flagged for use in industrial applications-- Chances are that it's designed for a single wavelength of light, instead of having to have three pixels for each color. Effectively allows you to say that you've got the 3x resolution, only though it sees in just one wavelength of light.
The datasheet says it has a colour filter mosaic on it.
As long as Affinity doesn't pull the ole monthly subscription bait and switch.
I hope that the 247mp sensor means a full frame version using the same wafer of 150ish MP
My calc says 100ish MP on full frame, but it'd still be a nice upgrade for any high resolution FF product line
I'm sure someone smart can work it out with maths but that person isn't me
There really is no excuse for the current OM M43 sensor that isn't really better than in 2016's OMD Mk2.
There really is no excuse for the current Nikon Full Frame sensor that really isn’t any better than in 2017’s D850.
- Jordan
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why do all manufacturers make square sensors when most lenses are cylindrical? Per definition we have to throw many pixels away. Imagine a round sensor and we can tilt the horizon unlimited
To cut round sensors out of silicon wastes a ton of silicon. It is just not financially feasible. Every bit of the sensor wafer needs to be used in order for the financials to work well.
Canva are getting alongside Affinity Designer and Publisher so the play covers a wider suite of Adobe products that just photoshop, as you said its going to be interesting. I probably disagree that Affiinity is just a knock of, it does some editing things better that PS. I agree Adobe has good access for Ai training.
Leica: *Shocked it's hard to sell full frame L mount cameras*
I mean what did they expect? They have two VERY expensive interchangeable lens systems while literally every other manufacturer has better performance for half to less than half the cost.
INCREDIBLE interview. What a great down to earth dp with a huge resume and tiny ego.
Fuji knows that marketing problems will hurt their reputation in the long run.
247MP? Better not be 1 frame per minute.
Why is Leica surprised?
They are known to do their niche thing well, and be the go to source if you want that specific thing. Jumping into doing exactly what everyone else already does, but slightly worse seems like it would obviously not sell as well.
I wouldn't buy a Ferrari smartphone.
Although, I'd assumed this would be the case for Fujifilm too. Which is why the X100 is selling like crazy but the X-H sits terminally in stock. 😂
It would be better if the thumbnails were more obvious that it's a podcast episode and not a regular review video
Fujifilm X100 VI in the UK is on a lottery, you need to have signed up to their mailing list then enter the lottery... However, the unfair part is if you win, you have to go to the Fuji House of Photography in London and collect the camera and pay for it in person. If I was to win... I got a £300+ Rail fair to get there... Not really a fair option to the rest of the UK that live outside of London.
They could of worked with an authorised reseller to check your id or whatever and collect from somewhere local to you (so you can visit your local camera shop to collect)
What a joke.
Fare. Could have.
Fare. Could have.
Want that sencor that can be connected to Ipad or tablet with with a medium format mount , dont need any brand on it. Noo need for fancy settings. Connected to M.2 X16 Gen 4 memory. So all settings can be controlled through different apps. That could be a nice future.
$6k for the limited edition? Are the buyers nuts or they simply have more money than sense? You could buy a Q3 for that amount of money.
I preordered on the 1st day. Maybe it will be delivered by 2025. I just may cancel the order. The VI is a good camera. Do I want to wait two years for this camera? I think not.
Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
I am happy about fujifilm, keep us using cameras and off our phones! I am sorry but film is just a pain in the ass and super expensive. Jarod your camera looks really nice. Wonder how it compares to that panny box camera or a blackmagic micro studio.
Sony 247 MP is suitable for LA sphere
My canon 6D is way way past 500K, no need to fear 100K.
Figured it out. You guys you're PetaPixel AM. OK OK FM. Non stop hits with Canon Motor Drive. Kachunka Kachunka. The Seventies were hot. Yeah. Cool that SLR down. Hiss Guurgle. Will it still work? Hey man you gotta Guurgle it.
Logitech Software is the worst. The "Options" software to control the keyboards is so incredibly bad, it's borderlin unusable.
i'm not falling for that one again ;)
Hoping I get my X100VI next month…. I really want to test how “soft” the lens is with that sensor… the Ricoh fanboys have run their mouths 😂
I have seen the comparison photos too.
To be fair, X-trans will always be a little more mushy looking than Bayer. That's the nature of the filmic style they want. Also, the pulled highlights in Fujifilm jpegs reduce micro contrast in general which appears as a perceived loss of sharpness. It might have nothing to do with the lens or sensor. Even though the X100 is generally known for being a bit soft up close.
That said: As someone who has both Fujifilm and Ricoh, I think anyone looking between the two should go buy Fujifilm cameras instead. Ricoh isn't for everyone.
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@@-greyI don’t hate Ricoh. If they ever come out with a GR IV I’ll check it out. They’re definitely smaller with a good sensor. I’ve just noticed a lot of hate directed at the new Fuji camera. I get it but it’s still annoying.
@@dccoletrain The hate has been going in floods the other way for many years. Our community over in Fuji land are notorious for having the religious evangelical intensity of ISIS. I mean even GxAce, who is super impartial and usually loves good design thinking, spat that it was an ugly little piece of shit in a video recently. It was bizarre. 😂
This is really the first clapback I've seen coming from the Ricoh community. And it's a very gentle poke at the irony of the suboptimised high megapixel sensor trend mostly. They're usually the quietest ones. It's why there's more negative things said about the GR than positive. The community rarely speaks up about what they like about it, because it's something you either get or don't. Plus, most of the users are older, long-time, fine art, documentary, and street photographers who aren't really on Instagram or UA-cam.
Besides, the X100VI is hardly soft. It's just not perfectly optimised, which is so negligible for 99% of use cases the X100VI is designed for that it would be unnoticeable. The XF23f1.4 II still exists if you want.
I don’t think anybody said the X100 is soft, just that the Ricoh is sharper with less MP. And that the cause is the X-Trans sensor and that it’s even intentional for „filmic“ reasons is just next level cope. Why would they increase the resolution to 40MP then?
I don’t think anybody buys either for their sharpness but for their many other qualities.
@@TheChosenOne_ I personally don’t care about the higher MP except I think I’ll be able to get usable 50mm cropped images. I find the 26 MP enough most of the time on my X-S20 minus some long distance wildlife pics
I cancelled my x100vi order. I'm not ok with the store keeping my money, while they cannot even tell me what month I should expect the camera.
I’ve been saying it since before it came out.. raise the darn price of the X100
Jordan is correct, there's nothing leica it
3:03 Jesus, please just give up and make episodes 2 hour long (or more), no one would be against that
I think the whole point for Leica is make everyone use their camera.
Totally disagree! Leica is making expensive cameras for discerning customers, not for average buyers (they’ve tried making more affordable cameras, but those have been forgotten failures). Leica’s “luxury” status depends on its premium price. Rolls Royce does not want everyone to be driving their cars, that’s what a Toyota is for.
photoshop and affinity photo are both dead to me, now.
People will buy a 200mp camera so they can crop down to 20 to 30mp.
Skip all the trash 7:30