The Lancia Flaminia Makes a Ferrari from the Same Era Seem Crude
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- The flagship of Lancia's three model line during one of their greatest periods in time, the Flaminia is a technological tour de force which was built to the company's famously high standards. Employing a V6 mated to a four-speed rear-mounted transaxle, de Dion suspension, and disc brakes all around, it was chock full of innovative features, but the best part of the car is the way it feels to drive it. In this video, Derek Tam-Scott drives a wonderfully sorted 2.8 liter Pininfarina-bodied Flaminia Coupe and extols the virtues of pre-Fiat Lancia, explaining where it fit into the Italian car hierarchy and the sort of buyers who love them.
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The Fulvia was the car that made me fell in love with Lancia. The Lancias from the 50s and 60s are so interesting and gorgeous. To me the Aurelias and the Flaminias were among the best cars of that time. Now i am a happy owner of a 68 Fulvia coupe, not a 1.6 as the one from my childhood because they skyrocketed in value, but maybe one day. I really hope to see more from you about all the great Lancias from the past. Thank you for sharing your experience.
How attainable would a 50-60s Lancia be? I’m starting to like the idea of owning a vintage car one day. I’ve gotten tired of fast and powerful cars. This is a completely different side of automotive history/industry.
I really enjoyed this video. The new format is refreshing, but I do also miss the relaxed nature of Derek's voiceovers. Maybe some combination of both, where Derek covers some of the more technical aspects and driving impressions while driving but does the metaphorical and historical discussions on the car with B-roll footage and voiceover?
Edit: By the way, if you are as in love with the opening song as I am, it is "Lama House - Where Legends Dwell."
I realized something. This isn't a BTS with DTS. That's probably why the format is different.
Lancias of this era are gorgeous.
Only Hyphen could say Ferraris and Alfas feel "cheap and crappy" and still make me stand up and take notice.
Very elegant but it is one car that's very difficult to contextualize. Makes me feel like I should look into Lancia more.
And those cars today cost a big hunk of money. Maybe the Ferrari's are more expensive, these are just so beautiful cars, in every way.
Alfa made little lovely monsters, my mom had a black Giulietta Sprint (very popular with the ladies back then) . my first was a Giulia 1600 Spider I series. Back then they came in black, red or white. Don't believe what they say, changing gears was a dream and it could brake. Lancia and Maserati had the metallic paint as an optional.
@@lorenzomagazzeni5425 Well, I agree. We still own a 66 Duetto 1600. My rememberence of the car was that it was smooth, had a great transmission and rode like a dream, when I used to ride it regularly fourty years ago. As my father did not let anone else drive it for decades, the riding experience got glorified in my mind. Maybe it was the fact that I was young, strong and I had several beautiful young ladies beside me when I drove the car over the Swiss mountains.
Well, l used to drive Army trucks of the Fifties without power steering and with unsynchronized transmission back in the day. Of course the Alfa Romeo was very comfortable compared to those monsters.
Now the Spider is mine, I drove it again. As I am an old man now I was surprised how tough the ride is: The steering is hard, the brakes even harder and very inefficient. It is still fun to drive it. But after many hours of riding in the car my whole body was aching. I remember it having a strong, fast reving engine. But after all the cars I drove over the last 45 years I must say: It is mainly fun because it is NOT very fast and not very smooth at all. The fun lies in the beauty and nostalgia of the vehicle.
The Giulietta Spring was also popular with men. It was a lovely car: Inside and out. My Grandma used to drive several Giulias in the Sixties and early Seventies. It my book it was a good car but not very beautiful at all. The Alfa Romeo GT and GTV of this aera were very, very beautiful though.
Alfa Romeo made sports cars, Fiat made people's cars and lancia elegant cars
@@emanueljj Exactly , well said , and Ferrari made racing cars, then racing cars you could use on the road , then road cars you could race! But I'm in th Lancia camp, my dad had the above car but in the less popular 4 door Sedan model , we all went on Holiday to Italy back in the 80's as part of Lancia anniversary.
I saw one, shockingly good, I love C pillar and fins on the big rear overhand, ballanced, elegant, and with the transaxle cannot drive bad.
I think one has to own a classic Italian car to appreciate the passion that went into its design and manufacture. I have owned several Alfa’s in the past and have worked on them as a trained technician. Whenever I see a classic Italian car I feel all warm and gooey inside:)
Well done DTS. All true Lancias are just magic automobiles. I've heard some describe them as the "architect's" car of choice. Sounds good to me.
Interesting, I haven't heard of Lancia being associated with architects. It's always Saab where I hear one that come up.
This is the type of content I’ve been looking for for ages. I’m loving the work you guys put out. Thanks
You know that sometimes DTS is like “dammit Cammisa” for the nickname “Hyphen”.
I enjoyed the vid. It made me imagine being some classy rich guy, cruising in that car to work for a board meeting.
In reality, hey, I just paid off my wife’s minivan so there’s that! 😁
Keep them coming, Derek and Issimi! This was fantastic, definitely got a great sense of the car and it's position/purpose in the market of the era. Loved hearing the double-clutching of the trans while it was warming up at the start of the drive. Very conscientious and sympathetic. Cheers from Chicago!
After seeing this video, I have a new found love for the more luxurious and elegant Lancias and vintage cars in general. It’s such a beautiful car. You can tell that passion was poured in it. Videos like this make me fall in love with cars all over again and leave me speechless trying to explain to my friends the feelings I get from seeing cars.
Derek's thinking man's review is a perfect match for this very well thought out machine. Wish I had bought a Lancia when they were in my price range. 🤷♂️👍☮🇮🇹
Mesmerising. I don't know enough about Lancia and this stoked my curiosity - thank you Derek.
I LOVE the classic GT cars of the late Fifties and Sixties! Specially Italian ones.
I come from an Alfa Romeo family. Our Italian neighbours were Lancia fanatics. Nowadays after the downfall of Lancia I appreciate the brand even more.
As a teenager I was torn between a Lancia Fulvia and an Alfa Romeo GT. As I could not afford any of the two I drove FIATS.
But noone who did not experience classic vehicles built in Italy (or Detroit) from let us say 1957 to 1972 knows how great the driving experience of those beautiful cars is. You are actually driving and not being driven. Those cars still had a soul. And few people can believe that each vehicle could behave slightly differently from another one of the same year and model.
Nowadays cars are soulless and are more computers than vehicles.
I think as you do that the Flaminia together with the Maseratis of the same vintage were the best quality ride you could get from BELLA ITALIA.
I'd thought I'd seen beautiful cars before but damn this takes the cake.
Lancias have always been a niche within the niche of Italian cars, at least here in the US. I just found this channel, but you are obviously a fan of Lancia. As a Flaminia owner myself, I can vouch for the ownership experience, both good and bad. Now, find a Flavia Sport Zagato to review and you will literally be then FIRST to do so on UA-cam!
Thanks very much. i was at an auction today to see one, arrived late and missed it, didnt want to get out f it though!!. This is the first video of yours I've seen and it's great. I want one even more now. Very informative and exactly what I wanted to hear! It was a 2.8 in silver with red interior gorgeous. In the Uk £20k for a pinifarina 60's Italian car.
Beautiful! I wish this video was four times longer.
What a classy classic coupe. From an era when people really understood what good taste was; elegant and simple, well-crafted, good looking but discrete and engaging but without sacrificing comfort. Is like the perfect blend of the things that make a car interesting. I’m trying to think of the modern equivalent of this car but I can’t come up with anything because everything is too flashy these days.
Sono completamente d'accordo
This is an amazing video. Mr. Underwear on the Runway Tam Scott has outdone himself here. This car is basically like a Rolls Royce phantom DHC, but maybe even more unique and rich feeling. I am surprised that a relatively low compression, long stroke pushrod V6 can make such noises. It almost sounds Dino V6-like. From what I've heard, they don't even break that much if cared for in a proper way like the 100K dollar equivalent cars they were back in the early 60's. As a 16 year old, I have a passion for pre-FIAT lancia's, specifically the Fulvia and the B24 that is weirdly uncanny for ppl of my generation lol.
These are great cars (if not the most beautiful). Have you driven the Fiat 2300 Coupe or the 130 3200? The 130 of course supplying independent suspension for the Dino 2400, 4 vented discs, the manual being dogleg ZF etc.
Also great italian motoring!
DTS on camera- great job! Very nice to see him grow
You took this out Hyphen. I like that it's much readble whether u have a personal connection with the car and the relation or it's a new experience for you of which u might be not so certain.
I love the fact that there are so much people passionate about the proper mechanical car manufacturing art we reached in the XXth century
How a car or bike makes me feel will always be more important than the affect it has on others.
Great video, once again. New found appreciation for Lancia. Well Done!
connaisseur de automobile + perfect blend of , subject,object, narration, cinematography and a drazzle of music makes this automotive journalism perfection. For that i thank you.
Thank you for introducing me to the cars you appreciate dts. I love the passion that these cars were designed and made with b
You would be hard pressed to build a Lancia in today's market. The personal luxury that this car has is defined with the quality in the details and finish.
I could only imagine driving this car on a long trip constantly reaching out to touch various components, i guess this is what tactile really is.
Its been too long DTS.
Great subject.
A true outsider pick and worth talking about.
I owned a lancia scorpion for 25 years. I miss the fine and interesting italian design lanquage.
Well said. Excellent analysis of the car and its place.
Lancia were incredibly overbuilt and beautiful cars up to 1967. They got into financial trouble because they overspent on quality, got acquired by Fiat and everything changed. I had a 1967 Flavia convertible wonderful and innovative car.
Great review TH-S, my lottery win list has always been a 105 series Alfa and a Ferrari 330/365 GTC etc but these have always been on my radar. Having watched this film they are now on my must have list. Bravo|
Spot on analyzing the average Flaminia owner and the feel of the car.
I've owned a Pf cupe like yours, but with Nardi heads and 3 Webers, as well as suspension and brake updates. Glorious car, and I kept it for more then 13 years. I also had a spyder and a berlina during that time...now that's a set that even hard-core Lancia enthusiasts find impressive. The Flaminias were beutifully built and engineered, but finding parts in the US could be tricky (I owned mine in the late-1960s through mid-1970s). I was able to do almost all my own work and realy developed an appreciation for the craftsmanship and quality of materials. While even my hot-rod coupe was not really much faster than an Alfa Veloce in a straight line, it was as fast as my 250 GTE Ferrari on any road with bends in it, and the Lancia had MUCH better road manners. Drive an old Ferrari fast and you arrived drained, but the Flaminia got you there nice and relaxed. GREAT road cars. I've always wondered what happened to the berlina; I've been told by someone who should know that there were only 6 of those officially imported into the USA.
Lovely car and video. A great unknown then this Lancia. I would however have liked at leasr part of the commentary to be overdubbed in a studio for better audio quality
I still have a soft spot for Lancia. My very - first - car, was in fact a Lancia.
I hope you don’t mind me asking but What Lancia was it? What did you love about it?
@@exceptedmaple8138 Lancia Y 1.2 16V elefantino rosso. All Alcantara interior and 86hp was not bad as a first car :-D
@@6rimR3ap3r An original choice 👍🏼👍🏼
DTS!
It seems every video you do brings a new bit of information or a new perspective on the cars we may (or may not) be familiar with. The format, filmwork and concise wording is always a joy... But please please consider a better mic so we can appreciate your speech a little more clearly :)
And maybe a bit steadier in car camera work, the bouncing around is a bit excessive but I echo all of the same praise for the content.
It's absolutely gorgeous!
Hey! You finally got t do a video on the Flaminia! Haven't seen it yet as of writing this, but I know it will be good.
I saw the lancia on your story and on Issimis website and Oh boy are they beautiful
Love the content but please turn down/off the music. Can barely hear DTS and the car.
The knowledge of DTS sets him apart from the rest
That was beautiful. Thank you
I kind of prefer the voiceovers. It made it seem a little different than a normal car review.
Hey, that's in the hills above where I live. Interesting, I took a picture of one of those, exactly that color a couple years ago. It was on a flatbed in San Carlos. Probably the same one. Pininfarina designed a few cars in that era that share a lot of similar features. The Peugeot 404 and Fiat 1500 share quite a lot of the lines and trim with this. But neither of those cars had this level of refinement, nope.
Loving your content sir
Love these videos
i prefer this free form drive and presentation over the scripted voice over form. I think this style suits Derek.
I like the front end proportions.
My brother has one of these Lancias, alas it needs a full restoration.
sadly nowadays no one seems to care for engineering, just how big the touchsceen is, the car may be completely rudimentary and basic underneath but if you style and market it as luxury it will sell for huge profit because people buying them have no clue
Can you find a 124 Spider in Italy? Or did they all get sent to America?
Dear DTS,
Why do you wear your watch on your right hand?
I’m left-handed
The comparison with Mercedes works well. Indeed, this Lancia anticipated the Mercedes pillarless Coupés of the later '60's. But they were very expensive!
We have so much to thank God for the Italians
Beautiful
A Ferrari from that era is a bit crude.
Suspension design straight out of Fifties Detroit - with semi-elliptic buggy springs in the rear - bodywork that looks like it was built by a 17-year-old in a hurry, all surrounding that magnificent engine. Whereas all parts of a Lancia were designed and made to their high standard of ingenuity. Except for the wacko sliding-pillar front suspension and the pushrod engine, their engineering is quite up-to-date today.
A true Lancia!
Uffa !!! Non si aprono questi triangolini dietro !!!
The Flaminia in Italy was for Aircrafts Engineers, Surgeons, and Science teachers, not for Bank Managers , Lawyers and CEOs. Extremely elegant car, with no hint of vulgarity or excess chrome or unnecessary gimmickry .
GRANDE ELEGANZA LANCIA MADE IN ITALY 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Freakin awesome!!!
Excellent
Beautiful film. Too bad that Lancia has gone down the common Italian carmaker path of becoming a Chrysler rebadger.
Thanks D
I was kinda hoping that car had the quad rear inside and outside wipers.
That is on the berlinas only.
Looks great frontwards. The rear has a rather bland design but is ok. That past time when Lancia made astonishing cars won´t sadly come back, if they ever actually survive as a brand. Aurelia, Fulvia , Stratos, 037, Deltona...😪
The 975611th car registered in Roma (Italy)
RIP Lancia
only DTS could be THIS pretentious and still have me eat up every word. like yes king i AM too stupid to appreciate this car but im glad you're having fun it looks like an incredible almost spiritual experience
Ferraris have always been crude, Lancia dare classy 😎
Lancia is the Italian Citroen
A car for those with a pipe and smoking jacket.
Everybody goes ape shit for the Flaminia Zagato, but even the regular Flaminia was lovely, still cheaper than a Maserati...
The Godfather car
The Flaminia makes EVERY CAR from the same era seem crude.
Pretty much any Lancia...
Any Lancia before Fiat. Everything got worse when Fiat bought them.
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So similar in looks to the peugeot 404
No coincidence as that was also designed by Pininfarina.
Are you not gonna do BTS anymore?
Sorry to be a carmudgeon [sic] but otherwise good video spoiled for _ha'pworth of tar_
Even phone/camera used didn't have IS (somehow), and you don't want to invest in gimbal, why not fix it in post? Probably not an option for the sound; why not additionally record audio via earbud on phone in pocket & splice? Or, y'know, invest in a mike. If nothing else drop the musical bed, which is just additional acoustic clutter
With that Roma license plate i can only think about some old Democrazia Cristiana politician from the First italian republic
Si papa
3 b ? Tre bambini ?
Ferraris from that time weren’t built that great in some ways a bit crude workmanship
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Niente radio !! Raccontate un po’ … la vacanza … “M,, ?!
I wish he’d shut up and let the car do the talking 🤐
FIAT bought Ferrari in 1969
I hate Lancia, whenever i see a modern one a mixture of sadness and disgust comes upon me. It's criminal what fiat did with lancia and alfa for that matter.
Not true what he says about Alfa Romeo, total nonsense.
Look at an AR 2600 of that era !!!!!
At this point you have to ask yourself, why the interest in old European cars that were more than a decade behind their American counterpart? This car and many other European cars of this time period are essentially worthless to ANY American that knows car culture. This isn't even a performance car of its day.
A decade behind? American cars have always been mostly "chocolate boxes" or "bathtubs", as we usually call them. Putting a 3x bigger engine on a 4x heavier car is not behing "way ahead", its just shoddy and inefficient engineering, doesnt take much skill to do that.
Wow. I've never seen anyone claim that american cars were "ahead". At leasy no one who experienced both US and EU made cars of the same era.
And I wonder how do you want to claim that Lancia was behind US manufacturers when it was the company pushing innovations: first V4, first V6, first unibody monocoque chasis, first 5 gear transmission, first fully independent suspension...
@@fgsaramago You simply don't know automotive history. This car is laughable at best compared to the big three in this time period, and would be considered junk.
@@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921 yet you cant provide a single example. "Unfortunately for Chrysler, 1957 cars were plagued with quality problems, such as breaking torsion bar suspensions and rust." .... dare I say this is whats actually junk?
Do you know of any american car in 1957 that had disc brakes, let alone as standard equipment?
@@gameboyterrorysta6307 Your 100% wrong. Every patent you just mentioned can be traced back to 1930s or 40s American automotive industry guaranteed.
The title of the video is accurate. Lancia a premier Italian brand made luxury cars with great performance in any decade of its existence until the 1980s , Ferrari made SPARTAN SPORT CARS , and occasionally made a sedate 4 seater sometimes even with 4 doors that attempted to be LUXURY cars . Most often up to present with the exception of engine and drive line Ferrari`s cabins look feel and are junky by comparison to Lancias especially vintage samples like the Flaminia.