And it’s really all about that! Being able to experience trying to find the right settings is a huge part of the appeal of 86Box to me. It is this manual approach, that feels like setting up your PC back then would have. Or let’s say as close as it gets, without actually touching the hardware. It is this tinkering that - back then - I really loved about using my first PC, which was a Pentium 75mhz , with 8megs of ram, and some S3 graphics card I don’t quite recall. And that stuff back then could take a lot of abuse compared to todays hardware.
I have been messing around with 86box for the last weeks or so and this is so much more Indepth than VMware or virtual box. Love the video by the way. I just subscribed!
Whoa -- I knew about this but I didn't think it had a macOS port. I was looking to run some stuff on my Mac laptop without dual booting Windows, so I'm very glad you mentioned it!
I was just talking about building an old pc this morning. This is way better than spending hundreds of dollars trying to track down a voodoo 2 3dfx card! I'm totally in.
While I would love to own the original hardware, it's hard to justify nowadays due to pricing and space concerns. 86Box is a great way to be able to use these machines without those worries.
Oh man!! I love Windows 95 Lu. I was on launch day for it at CompUSA and the line was at least 3 blocks for it from what I remember bro. Boy, do I miss those multimedia days for sure. 8^) Anthony..
Excellent video Lu. This has quickly become one of my favorite channels. You are really concise, which makes it feel like you respect our time. Question - I assume this emulator favors single threaded performance, do you know if that's the case or if it helps to have lots of threads?
Great video! I'd heard of 86Box, but never tried it, as I use PCEm, but on the back of this video I will try it out. I have also subscribed based on this one video, so I'm looking forward to going through your other videos. As a point of interest have you tried DOSbian? I know it's for the Raspberry Pi, but I've just set it up as my distraction free writing machine, and hearing how you spoke about 86Box, I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on DOSbian.
Welcome to the channel! More 86Box content will be coming. Never heard of DOSbian, but I just looked it up and it look awesome! Definitely going to try it out. I love seeing different ways of implementing old computers.
I am literally working on an 86box 98SE and 3.1 build when you posted this. XD Personally I can't reccomend it so far, the controls will just randomly stop working making it pretty useless. Furthermore there are interface issues where for it it just stopped releasing the mouse on middle click, supposedly fixed but isn't. Stuff like PS/2 interfacing apparantly needs work with people suggesting using COM interface, there is a HUGE amount of fixes that need working on this still. Maybe in a few years...
I haven't experienced the mouse issue you're having, however the mouse smoothness does need work. It helps a lot if you set the mouse to "Logitech/Microsoft Bus Mouse" and set that to 60Hz. However, that mouse is less compatible.
@@LusRetroSource Yeah I saw comments saying setting it to COM is better as well, a LOT of people suggest PS/2 though which doesn't help. One issue I kept having that baffled me was double clicking would open properties, but only sometimes. VERY weird. Er, my griping aside I do want to stress how optimistic I feel about the project! I mean it's still young compared to DOSbox and even MiSTer, so of course there are still bumps to smooth out!
I miss the ability of PCem to customize and combine shaders to emulate a CRT screen PERFECTLY. I did not understand why 86box devs would not port that -at least when I checked…
Yeah, the old SVN dosbox has fallen quite behind in development. I personally enjoy what the team behind dosbox-staging is doing and can't recommend it enough
I think PCem is in dev again, as it switched main devs, and It has well supported ports to Linux at least. I have not seen any changes tho I am a bit torn down between both: PCem is a bit faster and easier to use with multiple configurations But 86Box has many more options. You can still use multiple configs form the terminal. The only issue is that being slower I have a lower cap (From a P133 MMX to a P90 max) on my Ryzen7 machine. Still, I agree. My favourite emulation software, period.
Yep. I was avoiding 86Box because the dynamic recompiler sigfaulted my VM's. Decided to recompile the application without the "faster" Dynarec recompiler, it works. It is slower and can't reach an MXX166, which was my goal (first computer I ever had), but I am warming up to 86Box again after watching your video and solving that issue. @@LusRetroSource
Is it better than PCemu? In PCEmu the CPU Emulation isn't perfect, playing CPU intensive Games, as Starcraft, brings a lot of Stutter. Even browsing through Folders or using Winamp, or both at the same Time. The GPU Emulation in PCEmu is good, can't complain about playing 3D Games. But it was so annyoing, that i setup Windows 98 on one of those Thin Clients :D Edit: I am deeper into the Video, seems it has the same Issues with CPU^^ Have a 5800X3D, for now i'll stay with the Thin Client :D
Yeah, the CPU is more important to get good performance. I do prefer it over PCEm. I like the way I can map a folder to a 86Box CDROM drive, where in PCEm I could only do it on the Linux port.
@@LusRetroSource Ahh thats a nice Feature. I think i will try it out the next couple of Days, i downloaded it and i found out that i just can take the VHD Drive i used with PCEM :D... So less Work to do, as Windows and everything is installed, i just have to put in the correct drivers or hardware.
This is a video about 86Box, not a comparison of emulators. If we go down the rabbit hole of comparing all of the options that will turn into a long video...
the pc emulators on fpga are also not perfect either, i own a mister system and the pc cores are good but also has their weaknesses! Also you have to be aware the PC always was a moving target there never was a fixated speed some where faster others were slower heck even gpus differed in speed, so on the pc emulation a clock perfect replication never really was holy grail you could achieve because on the pc as a platform generally you could not!
"authentic experience of trying to get things working" truer words have never been spoken
And it’s really all about that! Being able to experience trying to find the right settings is a huge part of the appeal of 86Box to me. It is this manual approach, that feels like setting up your PC back then would have. Or let’s say as close as it gets, without actually touching the hardware. It is this tinkering that - back then - I really loved about using my first PC, which was a Pentium 75mhz , with 8megs of ram, and some S3 graphics card I don’t quite recall. And that stuff back then could take a lot of abuse compared to todays hardware.
I have been messing around with 86box for the last weeks or so and this is so much more Indepth than VMware or virtual box. Love the video by the way. I just subscribed!
Thanks and welcome to the channel!
2:16 Nice tiled background.
#3.1
Ha ha! Thanks, always loved the Win 3.1 wallpapers
Whoa -- I knew about this but I didn't think it had a macOS port. I was looking to run some stuff on my Mac laptop without dual booting Windows, so I'm very glad you mentioned it!
Works great on a Mac. My laptop is an M1 Macbook Air.
I was just talking about building an old pc this morning. This is way better than spending hundreds of dollars trying to track down a voodoo 2 3dfx card! I'm totally in.
While I would love to own the original hardware, it's hard to justify nowadays due to pricing and space concerns. 86Box is a great way to be able to use these machines without those worries.
Oh man!! I love Windows 95 Lu. I was on launch day for it at CompUSA and the line was at least 3 blocks for it from what I remember bro. Boy, do I miss those multimedia days for sure. 8^)
Anthony..
Looks fun. I'll check this out. Thanks Lu!
its fun!
Thank you for the coverage!
You're welcome! It's such an awesome program!
i love your program!
Your first PC is exactly my first PC at a spec level.
Awesome!
Excellent video Lu. This has quickly become one of my favorite channels. You are really concise, which makes it feel like you respect our time. Question - I assume this emulator favors single threaded performance, do you know if that's the case or if it helps to have lots of threads?
Not 100% sure, but I'll do some tests to find out.
It does favor single thread performance yes
86box is great i found out about it 2 weeks ago
Great video! I'd heard of 86Box, but never tried it, as I use PCEm, but on the back of this video I will try it out.
I have also subscribed based on this one video, so I'm looking forward to going through your other videos.
As a point of interest have you tried DOSbian? I know it's for the Raspberry Pi, but I've just set it up as my distraction free writing machine, and hearing how you spoke about 86Box, I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on DOSbian.
Welcome to the channel! More 86Box content will be coming. Never heard of DOSbian, but I just looked it up and it look awesome! Definitely going to try it out. I love seeing different ways of implementing old computers.
I am going to give this a try. I have used Virtualbox to do this and DOSbox, but haven't tried this one.........grin
If you love building PC"s then you'll love 86Box.
Showing GTA at the end.. Joygasm!
exodos is a great option for turmkey dos gaming
I am literally working on an 86box 98SE and 3.1 build when you posted this. XD
Personally I can't reccomend it so far, the controls will just randomly stop working making it pretty useless. Furthermore there are interface issues where for it it just stopped releasing the mouse on middle click, supposedly fixed but isn't. Stuff like PS/2 interfacing apparantly needs work with people suggesting using COM interface, there is a HUGE amount of fixes that need working on this still. Maybe in a few years...
I haven't experienced the mouse issue you're having, however the mouse smoothness does need work. It helps a lot if you set the mouse to "Logitech/Microsoft Bus Mouse" and set that to 60Hz. However, that mouse is less compatible.
@@LusRetroSource Yeah I saw comments saying setting it to COM is better as well, a LOT of people suggest PS/2 though which doesn't help. One issue I kept having that baffled me was double clicking would open properties, but only sometimes. VERY weird.
Er, my griping aside I do want to stress how optimistic I feel about the project! I mean it's still young compared to DOSbox and even MiSTer, so of course there are still bumps to smooth out!
Forgot to mention that you can and sometimes need to actually edit the emulated machine's BIOS settings, just as you would on a real PC. :p
Yeah, I will go over that detail when I do the live stream.
What a great idea 😀
I miss the ability of PCem to customize and combine shaders to emulate a CRT screen PERFECTLY. I did not understand why 86box devs would not port that -at least when I checked…
Yeah,that is a feature I wish it had.
It's in the plans
yo dawg I heard you like PCs...
so I got a pc emulator so I can play pc games while I use my PC.
I'd love to see a DOSBox video
Planning on doing one on DOSBOX pure. It gives you the most console like DOSBOX experience.
Yeah, the old SVN dosbox has fallen quite behind in development.
I personally enjoy what the team behind dosbox-staging is doing and can't recommend it enough
I am on an Android tablet with the Magic DosBox free app installed and i made some videos(no speech) for open source programming. Have fun.😊
I think PCem is in dev again, as it switched main devs, and It has well supported ports to Linux at least. I have not seen any changes tho
I am a bit torn down between both: PCem is a bit faster and easier to use with multiple configurations
But 86Box has many more options. You can still use multiple configs form the terminal. The only issue is that being slower I have a lower cap (From a P133 MMX to a P90 max) on my Ryzen7 machine.
Still, I agree. My favourite emulation software, period.
The dev switch was done a couple of years ago and haven't seen any updates since. Which is why I moved on to 86Box. Hopefully updates come soon.
Yep. I was avoiding 86Box because the dynamic recompiler sigfaulted my VM's. Decided to recompile the application without the "faster" Dynarec recompiler, it works. It is slower and can't reach an MXX166, which was my goal (first computer I ever had), but I am warming up to 86Box again after watching your video and solving that issue.
@@LusRetroSource
I rather run old dos and windows 95 on old hardware, but not having luck getting a old computer
Is it better than PCemu? In PCEmu the CPU Emulation isn't perfect, playing CPU intensive Games, as Starcraft, brings a lot of Stutter. Even browsing through Folders or using Winamp, or both at the same Time.
The GPU Emulation in PCEmu is good, can't complain about playing 3D Games.
But it was so annyoing, that i setup Windows 98 on one of those Thin Clients :D
Edit: I am deeper into the Video, seems it has the same Issues with CPU^^ Have a 5800X3D, for now i'll stay with the Thin Client :D
Yeah, the CPU is more important to get good performance. I do prefer it over PCEm. I like the way I can map a folder to a 86Box CDROM drive, where in PCEm I could only do it on the Linux port.
@@LusRetroSource Ahh thats a nice Feature. I think i will try it out the next couple of Days, i downloaded it and i found out that i just can take the VHD Drive i used with PCEM :D... So less Work to do, as Windows and everything is installed, i just have to put in the correct drivers or hardware.
I use thinclient too my boy.
I was wondering... Are you gonna make a MiSTer FPGA 2023 year in review video just like you did one for 2022?
Lets see if i have time.
Why not use PCem?
Because 86Box is actually maintained
This work in Linux?
Yes it does.
Bad informative VIDEO. You forgot to explain what is the difference between popular Dosbox and 86Box. You letting viewers confused in the end.
What is dropbox got to do with computer emulation you mug.
This is a video about 86Box, not a comparison of emulators. If we go down the rabbit hole of comparing all of the options that will turn into a long video...
Emulation sucks hard for Retro Gaming.....
the pc emulators on fpga are also not perfect either, i own a mister system and the pc cores are good but also has their weaknesses! Also you have to be aware the PC always was a moving target there never was a fixated speed some where faster others were slower heck even gpus differed in speed, so on the pc emulation a clock perfect replication never really was holy grail you could achieve because on the pc as a platform generally you could not!
Disagree