i was previously a ferrari technician and just wanted to add my 2 cents on some points. the interior issues mentioned are a HUGE problem and money pit, but are mostly related to temperature and the driver. the leather, due to it being natural and mostly untreated, is EXTREMELY prone to shrinkage from heat, ESPECIALLY the headliner which will more than likely begin to sag at some point due to the only thing holding it up being adhesive. the second largest interior issue is the soft touch material on the plastic surfaces. when the oil on your hand mixes with the animal fats used to make the soft touch, it begins to degrade and get goopy and nasty over time which practically every surface will require refinishing at some point. this was also a issue on previous models but is more prominent in the newer cars due to the larger amount of plastic surfaces. there are very large brake ducts in the rear on the bottom of the rear under tray, which i dont believe was mentioned. the engine fire issues were caused by adhesive used on the rear wheel wells to hold the heat insulation on, this was later fixed by riveting the insulation to the wheel wells and i believe the parts were recalled so i wouldnt consider it an issue or a reason to avoid a certain model year. the transmission issues were the insulation for the wire chaffing that was not installed was not exclusive to those model years and fails rather quickly, i would be more concerned about the trans leaking..which it will. again not a reason imo to avoid a specific year range of the car. also, the transmissions are not particularly fragile and can handle quite a bit of abuse. the fuel system issues mentioned were mainly related to evap pumps failing which effects the entire model range, and most notably the fuel filler neck cracking due to improper use while filling which is very common and effects all cars. its just more common in the rear engine models due to the angle of the filler neck. the exhaust flaps will open regardless of manettino position depend and on load and throttle position and lastly, an eventual issue that happens on all of them is the exhaust ports for the egr will clog with carbon and require the headers to be removed to clean great video guys, awesome car. my recommendation would be to buy a porsche for less and still beat a 458 on track ;)
How can my Nissan 370Z, which was parked outside in the Las Vegas sun for a year and a half, not have degrading issues with the interior soft touch surfaces? Nissan FTW
Buy a Porsche? Sure, if you care about practicality and reliability way more than beauty and excitement. Park a 458 next to a 911 and most people will just notice a Ferrari.
@@alvaro1728 I'm not sure if you've ever been in a 911 or driven one but it definitely checks both of those boxes. Different strokes for different folks I guess, for some it's worth the added hassle of Ferrari ownership.
We want to 458 because of the emotional connection - the aural pleasures , no Porsche can provide that. I have owned a Panamera 4S which I tracked and done 6 laps of a 458 on a track day event- no comparison. 911’s don’t have a V8, so were never an option.
This car will be the perfect teaching instrument for your 16 year old kids... Welcome to manhood and congratulations you're in debt for the rest of your life just like mom and dad.
95% of teenagers? huh lmfao more like 99.999% of teenagers are broke af cause they dont have a job yet lol and their daddies money doesnt count as money of theirs.
Wow, you actually recorded the sound of the car correctly. So many people stuff the microphone by the exhaust and it's this horrible clipping noise, even when mixed in. You got some decent microphones and managed to capture that induction and cabin noise, like what someone would actually be hearing. It reminds me of when I was tracking an F430, and so many vids miss out on that induction hiss that's heard, yet you also managed to capture the lower frequencies. This is the kind of video that the local Ferrari club owners would want to share with each other at their monthly Olive Garden meets.
This totally makes sense to me - I was basically baptized as a petrolhead when i got to ride shotgun in a 458 when i was 11, 13 years ago. It's an absolute core memory for me, the sensation of acceleration, the incredible speed i felt with the car being so low to the ground, and last but not least; the sound. I've felt weird about the sound on all the videos I've seen afterwards, as the sound just did not match what I had experienced that day. It was great being reminded of why i remembered it as being so good in this video, as it is absolutely heavenly. I got goosebumps from the footage and sound of the spirited driving here. I've dreamt about this car ever since that day, and I would consider absolutely obliterating my finances (if i ever get any kind of money) just to get to have it in my garage and drive it.
Enzo Ferrari allegedly said, "When you buy a Ferrari, you pay for the engine, and i will give the rest of the car free". Looking at the car in the video this still seems to hold true.
@@hissingoose I prefer the F430, but yeah, the 458 was probably the last truly "alive" mid-engined Ferrari. A McLaren is more advanced with its carbon tub and cross-linked suspension and an F8 is faster than the 458, but neither seem as exciting.
@@villLe of money was no object...F40 for the looks, 355 for the screaming engine, 458 for the last great modern mid engine ferrari that I would daily and a La ferrari for everything above (except daily driving)
So Enzo wouldn't mind me buying a V8 twin turbo Ferrari and swaping it's power plant into a $27K mustang? Hmmm that would be a thing to do when I have money.
@@PITMGN7 Punto is legendary for bad quality. On my friends' one sound system was so bad that we just ziptied wireless speaker inside to "fix" this issue. Rear door handle worked only from outside, so to get out you had to roll down the window (no power windows here), open door from outside, get out of the car, roll up the window, close the door.
It"s a speed control feature for teenagers. The speedometer and acceleration both cut out at 60 mph but the engine sounds keep revving and are piped in through the car's speakers. 😀
I can say this…I've owned a Ferrari cali30, McLaren 570S and a Lamborghini Huracan 580-2 and the car I want to stick with and grow old with, is WITHOUT A DOUBT the 458 Italia.
@@jamievidd775 It's a "Comment" - @NFA Review Channel told us he REALLY likes the 458...and has money coming out the Wazoo, and you told us you have a stick firmly embedded Up Yours
@ How so? You can't just make statements like that. I explained to you why is was in such a shitty condition, that and it's current owner also neglects it. If you actually worked around 458's like I do then you would understand that they don't usually fall apart like this.
@@paulj9821 how does one "neglect" a dashboard and seats in 19,000 miles?? I've never seen that degradation in any of my cars. I get that douchebags have to defend the badge, but at what point do we cross the line from tifosi to suckers?
@@paulj9821 I just had my headliner reglued. Turns out Ferrari used two sided tape on mine. The leather in the doors had to be replaced as well, as the foam separated from the leather. The "R" button has smeared away. Each time you touch the AC controls your fingerprint is left in it. This is on a garage kept 14 with < 10k miles. Point A to A car only. I adore the car. The interior quality is crap.
Yes, there IS a distinction, isn't there - between having the money to buy it, and the commitment to spending a large yearly sum to insure it and keep it running properly and house it securely (while keeping your eye on the rearview mirror, to watch for suspicious characters following you home at night).
When I was about 11 (2010) my Dad and I were at Prestige Miami. I’ll never forget seeing this young man, looked about 16 maybe 17 and his Dad was buying him his first car. I remember he chose a white 458 with black accents. Man was it gorgeous. I had been infatuated with the 458 since its release! Thankfully I never felt jealous, I actually felt really excited for him and that moment has motivated me more in life than I ever thought it would! Cheers!
@@hissingoose The F430 with gated manual shifter and soft top still take the cake imo. Pure drivers car with the top down and manually shifting while going ape on mountain roads
@@tylerbetthauser7647 Yes they are and they're raising a flock of geese as part of a savagegeese-foster program. This channel was originally meant for videos about their foster geese, but since people kept asking about cars the geese got less and less content
Drove one of these recently and everything they say is true. You feel everything. Its exilerating. The engine is a punchy, high revving masterpiece. Like they say its not refined or comfortable but it's addictive. Everytime you floor it and turn in to a corner you're reminded of why you love cars and driving. Incredible
@@FurkanCemTurfanda I don't doubt it, I see some of the wealth floating around the state and it's pretty nuts. Even here in MA there's a fair bit of that. I guess we're not too far off with our eclectic assortment, but I'm definitely not in Ferrari or Lamborghini territory :'(
There's a large section of the Midwestern suburb I live in, that is upper middle class to lower upper class (doctor and lawyer types). Anyway, it's not an uncommon sight to see little Johnny driving mommy and daddy's Porsche Macan or Mercedes GLS. Terrifies me that such inexperienced drivers are behind the wheel of that much power. Needless to say, I stay off the roads when school lets out.
@@hamsterama For what it’s worth, I’m an intuitive learner - I learn by trial and error and doing things myself, so when I got my first vehicle, it has 4.0L of power going straight out to the rear wheels and I spent tons of time on country lanes and old back roads figuring out the nuances of the thing. When I got my first car shortly thereafter, it was equipped with Quattro AWD, which is based on a FWD architecture, and I had to spend a lot of time relearning vehicle dynamics of front versus rear and 4WD vs AWD. Both made considerable power for a learner, but I took the time to get a feel for the dynamics of both in all weather conditions and figured out the limits of my skills and of the cars. Years later, I’ve gone through vehicles with upwards of 400 HP and remained mostly safe on the road. I pulled my fair share of dumb stunts as a kid, but sometimes we just have to learn. And with all of the smart safety features and electronic safety systems in place, they’ll be a lot less likely to get themselves into dangerous situations. So long as they aren’t reliant on those systems, so long as they stay off their phones, and so long as they understand what’s at stake, many will be perfectly fine, even with immense power on tap!
During the drive, the explanation of the experience sums it up perfectly. I use to own a 600hp 300zx, but had the chance to drive a F355. The Ferrari was turtle slow to my 300zx..... But holy crap so much fun to drive. Mainly due to the engine note, right behind your ear.
Chao, I am sure you were joking, but the 1990 Acura Integra GS I am thinking about selling might be just what you have in mind. ( 73,000 original miles, driven daily for 10 years and stored for 20 )
I own a 2011 458 with 40,000 kms and it looks nothing like the one you have just reviewed. I‘ve looked after my car and even though I live in a harsh climate country the car is always garaged and the the interior still looks and smells new, the only problem is the rubber on some of the switch gear. I hate to say it but I would be very surprised if the mileage on that particular car is genuine looking at the condition of that car. I can also confirm that my car has given me very little problems and has been very reliable, my advice would be buy a well maintained and clean example and you will grin from ear to ear every time you take it for a drive. Finally a really enjoyable and well presented review.
@@mrmojorisingii came here to say that as well. He's got a bright future doing something bad ass with his obvious work ethic and awesome speaking voice!
You guys did this car justice. Being ridiculous at times fits the tone perfectly. The exterior shots were beautiful, the driving was mesmerizing on a fall day like that and the tech truly informative.
It just sounds so amazing! As for reliability, a Ferrari buyer goes into it knowing it's not an Accord. It's going to cost a fortune to fix, but for them, the experience is worth it.
I still remember one of the first times I saw one of these. My friends and I were on Highway 17 going from San Jose to Santa Cruz, around lunch time with mild traffic. Most people brake through the tight turns. All of a sudden the glorious crack of downshifting from a 458 becomes audible to everyone, and we look in the mirrors to see it weaving through traffic smoothly and accelerating towards us. We had just completed one of the tight turns and had a quarter mile straight in front of us, so the 458 was WOT through the end of the turn while passing us; it is one of our favorite memories. I look forward to the day I get to drive a 458.
I was working for Ferrari as a detailer when these were released, I have more then my fair share of cockpit time in them. Copiloted one with a tech at 130mph in a 1/4 mile blast, still can feel the acceleration, 9 years later.
It's my favorite "regular" Ferrari of the last 20 years. Im so glad the owner let you guys do a full piece on this. I think you did a 458 quick review years ago, but you only had about an hour with it. I think the 458 is also the best looking Ferrari of the past 20 years, bar none.
Outstanding video. At 23:03 Mark looks visibly melancholic-probably wondering to himself "when will I ever get to drive one of these, or anything this good, ever again?" Stellar work, as always!
While 10 plus years old, it is expected to be dated. However, the 458 redefined modern day exotics. Driving position, ergonomics, tactile feel was amazing.
Shoutout to the owner. Thanks for letting them borrow your car. It was an awesome video and I just wanted to thank you for letting us all enjoy your awesome car.
I'm turning 18 that's the perfect car for me! except you can't afford these cars in Italy, even if you are rich you'll pay a lot of tax money just because you OWN it... Oh yeah and I couldn't afford it anyway lmao
if you can afford a Ferrari you can afford a nice German car like bmw or benz for the daily drive a Ferrari is a rich man toy and the fact that its a toy it must be exciting it must look good it must be fast and most importantly it must be dramatic in its operation and sound everything else is secondary.
Thank you, I loved this review. I'm putting my coat on right now to take my mustang for a long drive. I will send you the bill if I get a ticket. Thank you again.
I was lucky enough to have a family friend let me drive their 458 Spider a few years back - it's easily the highlight of my car experiences so far. The entire drivetrain is the pinnacle of NA sports cars.
I rented one of these during a vacation a couple years ago. I agree with everything you said when you’re out on open roads and can enjoy it. But I found it miserable for city driving. The accelerator is very sensitive and you’re constantly banging between first and second gear. I would love to drive a gt3, I think that would be my dream car after driving the 458 (which had been my dream car).
The driving segment of this video is one of the best piece of motoring content ever. The intro music, sound of the v8, marks expressions simply beautiful. I watch it time to time and it always gives me chills.
Excellent video, Mark! I just got out of a 458 Spyder for my 10,000 sub video and shared a lot of the same impressions you mentioned here. Last of the naturally aspirated V8s from Maranello and that F1 derived DCT was DOMINATING. The theater on something like this and the flaws you mentioned make it, in my eyes, better than pretty much every modern supercar. Glad you enjoyed your time with the 458!
I've driven the 458 Italia in Las Vegas. It was the most amazing automotive experience I've ever had. The induction sound is extremely addictive. My fav car.
Thanks for creating IMHO the best content when it comes to reviewing cars. You guys answer the questions everyone didn't think of yet but knew they needed to. Keep it up!
My favorite car of all time. I was happy enough to drive one in Maranello. Great experience. I didn't know they still have so big quality issues though. That's disappointing, but I can never afford one anyway 😁
What a perfect summation for how I feel. Ferrari was my #2 favorite car company (behind Mazda, yes I'm serious lol) up until the time when they stopped making manual cars. I still like some of the post-manual cars (599, California, 458, and LaFerrari cuz GORGEOUS)...but they haven't been 'FERRARI!' for me in quite some time. I mean absolutely no disrespect as I still finding them amazing, but I don't follow what they're making much these days and haven't driven a new one in quite a while and haven't tried to find a way to do so. They just don't have the same character as they did back then. They're hilariously faster, and incredibly more capable than the older cars, but they just don't have 'it' anymore for ME. I understand that kids/young people these days will grow up with this as their poster on the wall, but man I wish they could have seen the cars from the early to mid '00's and the older stuff before they decided to refine away all the edges. Ferrari was king for another reason besides speed. 👌 Give me a manual F355 or F360 any day over any modern Ferrari and I'd gladly take the reliability and service issues along with the much much much slower speeds lol. I'd be grinning all the way 😎👌
I'm nervous about deer jumping into the road in just about every one of your drive segments. This one had me standing up, shouting at the TV. And then a Deere appears 17:08. Not a combine btw
I dont have a 458 but I do have a BRZ Limited (leather interior, heated seats, all the options) that I wanted to own since high school. And I smile every time I drive it! So, close enough to a Ferrari for now with my current budget.
Best car review channel on UA-cam atm. Detailed technical info (including awesome suspension shots you won't get to see anywhere else), no chickenshit "I have 10km of empty road ahead of me but I'm still not going 1 km/h above the speedlimit" driving, ultra-honest (but also balanced) opinions, razor sharp image quality.. what more can you ask?
Watching Mark drive this thing trying his best not to giggle like a school boy made my day. The sound of the engine makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck. Fabulous. It begs the question why Ferrari doesn't make a N/A engines anymore. This car with a manual transmission would be amazing. Driving enjoyment isn't about 0-60, or Nurburgring lap times. It's about emotion and satisfaction, which the 458 delivers in spades. Big shout out to the owner who was generous and gracious enough to let SG do a review so we can all enjoy it, instead of it being a garage queen that never sees real road use. I for one appreciate it.
The audio quality of this channels videos is just fantastic. Most car channels spend all their time and energy making the visuals perfect with lots of arty drone shots but use shit audio equipment and lose the plot completely on a huge part of what makes these cars desirable - the sound. The audio when you’re driving the shit out of that engine is just phenomenal. Great visuals always but your audio quality is top notch.
@a gentleman in denial for me its just an addition. Like im perfectly fine with the way huayra sounds because it fits he character of the car perfectly and the driving experience is sublime. Yes I will miss the sounds of yesteryear but if they are sacrificed to keep ice's in cars for as long as possible im happy with anything.
Too many people think putting the microphone next to the exhaust is what you want. No. No it's not. The sound you actually want to have is intake noise. And you guys fucking aced that here. Microphone mounted clear as day inside the engine bay. Well done Mark. Well fucking done.
The 458 is an amazing vehicle. Love this review. Seems like an R8 V10 might be a better choice. Still sounds great but has better build quality and cheaper and you only sacrifice the slightly more dynamic handling of the 458.
I own this car since 2011, to be honest: BMW and Mercedes have a better navigation and other electronic features. But when it comes to driving, revving, feeling like a formula 1 race , this car is and will remain unbeatable! And, by the way, I am also satisfied with the quality of the car and cannot confirm the alleged defects shown in your movie. Summary: this car is an all-time great!
I just turned 16 and I can’t afford a Pagani, so fine I guess I settle for the 458.
I understand the struggle bro 😪
Bro...I wanted a private jet but I got a helicopter instead bro😔
I was gonna get a Chiron but I just went with the civic
@@SamNcars1 Lol rumor has it there's a pretty long waitlist these days for the Civic...you must be a man of affluence and importance.
Hows the 458 treating you?
i was previously a ferrari technician and just wanted to add my 2 cents on some points.
the interior issues mentioned are a HUGE problem and money pit, but are mostly related to temperature and the driver. the leather, due to it being natural and mostly untreated, is EXTREMELY prone to shrinkage from heat, ESPECIALLY the headliner which will more than likely begin to sag at some point due to the only thing holding it up being adhesive. the second largest interior issue is the soft touch material on the plastic surfaces. when the oil on your hand mixes with the animal fats used to make the soft touch, it begins to degrade and get goopy and nasty over time which practically every surface will require refinishing at some point. this was also a issue on previous models but is more prominent in the newer cars due to the larger amount of plastic surfaces.
there are very large brake ducts in the rear on the bottom of the rear under tray, which i dont believe was mentioned.
the engine fire issues were caused by adhesive used on the rear wheel wells to hold the heat insulation on, this was later fixed by riveting the insulation to the wheel wells and i believe the parts were recalled so i wouldnt consider it an issue or a reason to avoid a certain model year.
the transmission issues were the insulation for the wire chaffing that was not installed was not exclusive to those model years and fails rather quickly, i would be more concerned about the trans leaking..which it will. again not a reason imo to avoid a specific year range of the car. also, the transmissions are not particularly fragile and can handle quite a bit of abuse.
the fuel system issues mentioned were mainly related to evap pumps failing which effects the entire model range, and most notably the fuel filler neck cracking due to improper use while filling which is very common and effects all cars. its just more common in the rear engine models due to the angle of the filler neck.
the exhaust flaps will open regardless of manettino position depend and on load and throttle position
and lastly, an eventual issue that happens on all of them is the exhaust ports for the egr will clog with carbon and require the headers to be removed to clean
great video guys, awesome car. my recommendation would be to buy a porsche for less and still beat a 458 on track ;)
How can my Nissan 370Z, which was parked outside in the Las Vegas sun for a year and a half, not have degrading issues with the interior soft touch surfaces? Nissan FTW
Buy a Porsche? Sure, if you care about practicality and reliability way more than beauty and excitement. Park a 458 next to a 911 and most people will just notice a Ferrari.
@@alvaro1728 I'm not sure if you've ever been in a 911 or driven one but it definitely checks both of those boxes. Different strokes for different folks I guess, for some it's worth the added hassle of Ferrari ownership.
We want to 458 because of the emotional connection - the aural pleasures , no Porsche can provide that. I have owned a Panamera 4S which I tracked and done 6 laps of a 458 on a track day event- no comparison. 911’s don’t have a V8, so were never an option.
@@povertyspec9651 Not just Nissan. Basically any other car manufacturer does not suffer from the sticky interior issues Ferraris have for decades.
This car will be the perfect teaching instrument for your 16 year old kids... Welcome to manhood and congratulations you're in debt for the rest of your life just like mom and dad.
Ace of Spades it would be a better investment than blowing a $100,000 loan on SJW studies.
@@JoJoJoker lol... maybe
Nobody buying this car has debt.
college debt or ferrari debt?
Education debt: hold my book.
There can be no more generous a gift to automotive enthusiasts, than lending your special car to the SavageGeese team.
95% of teenagers: *broke af*
Sav: *slaps roof* "this 6 figure car is perfect for you"
We provide some sage advice 🤣
@@jackholmes8105 no you dont
95% of teenagers? huh lmfao more like 99.999% of teenagers are broke af cause they dont have a job yet lol and their daddies money doesnt count as money of theirs.
Lol at these replies. Apparently COVID has also destroyed the sarcasm detector.
@Myname Isunavailable My high school in Danville Ca. Monte Vista. I only got a 67 Shelby. Plenty of kids w Ferraris.
Wow, you actually recorded the sound of the car correctly. So many people stuff the microphone by the exhaust and it's this horrible clipping noise, even when mixed in. You got some decent microphones and managed to capture that induction and cabin noise, like what someone would actually be hearing. It reminds me of when I was tracking an F430, and so many vids miss out on that induction hiss that's heard, yet you also managed to capture the lower frequencies. This is the kind of video that the local Ferrari club owners would want to share with each other at their monthly Olive Garden meets.
Definitely. The sound of this car is fresh in my memory and they have captured it perfectly.
This totally makes sense to me - I was basically baptized as a petrolhead when i got to ride shotgun in a 458 when i was 11, 13 years ago. It's an absolute core memory for me, the sensation of acceleration, the incredible speed i felt with the car being so low to the ground, and last but not least; the sound. I've felt weird about the sound on all the videos I've seen afterwards, as the sound just did not match what I had experienced that day. It was great being reminded of why i remembered it as being so good in this video, as it is absolutely heavenly. I got goosebumps from the footage and sound of the spirited driving here. I've dreamt about this car ever since that day, and I would consider absolutely obliterating my finances (if i ever get any kind of money) just to get to have it in my garage and drive it.
Drove one of these 2 Days straight in the Swiss Alps,.... life will never be the same.
Lucky bastard
How'd you manage that? Like actually?
Enzo Ferrari allegedly said, "When you buy a Ferrari, you pay for the engine, and i will give the rest of the car free".
Looking at the car in the video this still seems to hold true.
that's the way supercars and sports cars should be. enzo had it right. the 458 is my favorite analog Ferrari.
@@hissingoose I prefer the F430, but yeah, the 458 was probably the last truly "alive" mid-engined Ferrari. A McLaren is more advanced with its carbon tub and cross-linked suspension and an F8 is faster than the 458, but neither seem as exciting.
This is the way. 👌👌
@@villLe of money was no object...F40 for the looks, 355 for the screaming engine, 458 for the last great modern mid engine ferrari that I would daily and a La ferrari for everything above (except daily driving)
So Enzo wouldn't mind me buying a V8 twin turbo Ferrari and swaping it's power plant into a $27K mustang? Hmmm that would be a thing to do when I have money.
Nothing says Italia like shrinking and discoloring panels, self-deleting badges, creeks, rattles, and quality issues
lol my mom's fiat punto badge fell before 10 years of ownership
Replace ‘Italian with any US brand and your sentence still makes sense
@@PITMGN7 Punto is legendary for bad quality. On my friends' one sound system was so bad that we just ziptied wireless speaker inside to "fix" this issue. Rear door handle worked only from outside, so to get out you had to roll down the window (no power windows here), open door from outside, get out of the car, roll up the window, close the door.
Amazing. I wonder how the new electric fiat 500 will do. Less mechanical stuff to break
@@jamest5149 yea, true, especially all those $10,000 Cavaliers and Sunfires; US branded cars that suffer those problems weren't $250,000+ when new.
Ferrari makes its real money with hats, key chains and other crap. Not a joke.
No, they make a fortune in F1 TV revenues, and selling FIATs for $300-$500,000.
@@pkdude5334 34% of Harley Davidson's sales in FY 2019 was in HD brand leather thongs and ball gags
@@FFFFFFF-FFFFFFFUUUUCCCC You forgot about the 8% that comes from their orange and black leather assless chaps.
A bit disappointing that the speedometer goes dark past 60MPH ;-).
Pretty weird feature for a car innit'?
It"s a speed control feature for teenagers. The speedometer and acceleration both cut out at 60 mph but the engine sounds keep revving and are piped in through the car's speakers. 😀
@@maxcactus7 Oh, I understand the video title now. Thanks!
I was curious when they were gonna start blacking/blurring out the speedo with these runs.
It’s those damn Italian quality perks...
16:50 = Goose grimace. But that moment is why he works 7 days a week in constant anger mode. Thank you for what you do sir.
I can say this…I've owned a Ferrari cali30, McLaren 570S and a Lamborghini Huracan 580-2 and the car I want to stick with and grow old with, is WITHOUT A DOUBT the 458 Italia.
Don't remember anyone asking.
@@jamievidd775 ???
@@jamievidd775 Wtf.
@@jamievidd775 It's a "Comment" - @NFA Review Channel told us he REALLY likes the 458...and has money coming out the Wazoo, and you told us you have a stick firmly embedded Up Yours
Agreed. A high water mark for its era, and our most frequently driven supercar.
Interior falls apart on a Ford at 100k miles: "This car is a piece of crap!"
Interior falls apart on a $200k Ferrari at 20k miles: "This is fine."
It was a rental car originally before being sold to the current owner and is 8 years old.
@ How so? You can't just make statements like that. I explained to you why is was in such a shitty condition, that and it's current owner also neglects it. If you actually worked around 458's like I do then you would understand that they don't usually fall apart like this.
@@paulj9821 and it has only 19,000 miles. People would go insane if that happened to a Corolla.
@@paulj9821 how does one "neglect" a dashboard and seats in 19,000 miles?? I've never seen that degradation in any of my cars. I get that douchebags have to defend the badge, but at what point do we cross the line from tifosi to suckers?
@@paulj9821 I just had my headliner reglued. Turns out Ferrari used two sided tape on mine. The leather in the doors had to be replaced as well, as the foam separated from the leather. The "R" button has smeared away. Each time you touch the AC controls your fingerprint is left in it. This is on a garage kept 14 with < 10k miles. Point A to A car only. I adore the car. The interior quality is crap.
I may one day have enough money to buy a Ferrari, but I doubt I’ll ever be rich enough to own a Ferrari.
Unless I liberty walk it, I don't want a Ferrari. I'd rather get a gallardo spyder
Yes, there IS a distinction, isn't there - between having the money to buy it, and the commitment to spending a large yearly sum to insure it and keep it running properly and house it securely (while keeping your eye on the rearview mirror, to watch for suspicious characters following you home at night).
Yup buying one and owning one are two entirely different realities
@@黒キツネ-九零二一零 LW is crap like the rebadged Audi R8 you would buy.
@@R4M_Tommy actually the gallardo was before the r8
When I was about 11 (2010) my Dad and I were at Prestige Miami. I’ll never forget seeing this young man, looked about 16 maybe 17 and his Dad was buying him his first car. I remember he chose a white 458 with black accents. Man was it gorgeous. I had been infatuated with the 458 since its release! Thankfully I never felt jealous, I actually felt really excited for him and that moment has motivated me more in life than I ever thought it would! Cheers!
The best modern Ferrari ever. And one of the best modern cars ever.
Agreed
💯💯💯
best analog ferrari by far.
@@hissingoose The F430 with gated manual shifter and soft top still take the cake imo.
Pure drivers car with the top down and manually shifting while going ape on mountain roads
So true, the Speciale is my dream. It still has the most powerful n/a V8 in a serial production car
It's a gorgeous piece of art of automaking.
Clean, elegant, eye pleasing design.
Ur everywhere man
The 488 looks much better imo
Until it begins to fall apart lol!
Best looking modern ferrari
Agreed - Minus all of the defects because of "shitting falling apart".
It’s so great to see Mark truly enjoy a car lol love that all it takes is a great motor/trans
Well that plus the steering and brakes IS the car so it makes sense
@@mutiracialbeatdownPB I see middle school is still out.
He looked pretty impressed haha
I'm laughing out loud during the test drive, you're having too much fun!
I know,they both looked gobsmacked lol
Imagine if it was manual tho 🤪
This was literally me!
Agreed, saw 90% of his videos and never ever saw him having this much fun. One ought to have that driving a Ferrari anyways.
I really wasn't expecting the nice bonsai man to reply to this.
You should see Jeremy Clarkson driving it, he’s having a blast
When are you two going to get married?
Divorce from Turbowski not finalized yet
Are these guys in a homosexual relationship? I wondered, but never got a real answer.
@@tylerbetthauser7647 Shaddup
@@tylerbetthauser7647 Yes they are and they're raising a flock of geese as part of a savagegeese-foster program. This channel was originally meant for videos about their foster geese, but since people kept asking about cars the geese got less and less content
Going to?
Easily one of the best experiences I've ever had in my life. The 458 was the first supercar I've ever had the opportunity to drive. So lovely.
I love how Mark just keeps stomping on it over and over. Nothing beats a good Ferrari!
- naturally aspirated.
Drove one of these recently and everything they say is true. You feel everything. Its exilerating. The engine is a punchy, high revving masterpiece. Like they say its not refined or comfortable but it's addictive. Everytime you floor it and turn in to a corner you're reminded of why you love cars and driving. Incredible
When I saw the title, I immediately thought of Dad driving a Rapide, Mom in a G-Class, and little Tommy in his 458, wouldn’t that be a family lmao
You just described New Jersey.
@@FurkanCemTurfanda Maybe if you're the Sopranos
@@FurkanCemTurfanda I don't doubt it, I see some of the wealth floating around the state and it's pretty nuts. Even here in MA there's a fair bit of that.
I guess we're not too far off with our eclectic assortment, but I'm definitely not in Ferrari or Lamborghini territory :'(
There's a large section of the Midwestern suburb I live in, that is upper middle class to lower upper class (doctor and lawyer types). Anyway, it's not an uncommon sight to see little Johnny driving mommy and daddy's Porsche Macan or Mercedes GLS. Terrifies me that such inexperienced drivers are behind the wheel of that much power. Needless to say, I stay off the roads when school lets out.
@@hamsterama For what it’s worth, I’m an intuitive learner - I learn by trial and error and doing things myself, so when I got my first vehicle, it has 4.0L of power going straight out to the rear wheels and I spent tons of time on country lanes and old back roads figuring out the nuances of the thing. When I got my first car shortly thereafter, it was equipped with Quattro AWD, which is based on a FWD architecture, and I had to spend a lot of time relearning vehicle dynamics of front versus rear and 4WD vs AWD. Both made considerable power for a learner, but I took the time to get a feel for the dynamics of both in all weather conditions and figured out the limits of my skills and of the cars.
Years later, I’ve gone through vehicles with upwards of 400 HP and remained mostly safe on the road. I pulled my fair share of dumb stunts as a kid, but sometimes we just have to learn. And with all of the smart safety features and electronic safety systems in place, they’ll be a lot less likely to get themselves into dangerous situations. So long as they aren’t reliant on those systems, so long as they stay off their phones, and so long as they understand what’s at stake, many will be perfectly fine, even with immense power on tap!
During the drive, the explanation of the experience sums it up perfectly. I use to own a 600hp 300zx, but had the chance to drive a F355. The Ferrari was turtle slow to my 300zx..... But holy crap so much fun to drive. Mainly due to the engine note, right behind your ear.
Glad you could drive the F355, beautiful car
Nice, This video uploaded just in time. I am cross shopping '96 Honda Accord and one of these.
🤣🤣
Hahahaha
Chao,
I am sure you were joking, but the 1990 Acura Integra GS I am thinking about selling might be just what you have in mind. ( 73,000 original miles, driven daily for 10 years and stored for 20 )
Best driving impressions section in savagegeese history.
Holy shit just realized the audio of these videos is superb.
I own a 2011 458 with 40,000 kms and it looks nothing like the one you have just reviewed. I‘ve looked after my car and even though I live in a harsh climate country the car is always garaged and the the interior still looks and smells new, the only problem is the rubber on some of the switch gear. I hate to say it but I would be very surprised if the mileage on that particular car is genuine looking at the condition of that car. I can also confirm that my car has given me very little problems and has been very reliable, my advice would be buy a well maintained and clean example and you will grin from ear to ear every time you take it for a drive. Finally a really enjoyable and well presented review.
Jack's Voice. I want him to whisper car facts in my ear while I eat my morning toast.
Just for you i will.
@@jackholmes8105 I'm gonna subscribe. Now you have 90 subscribers.
Jack Singapore
I can't believe he's only 24... He says he was 14 when this came out (in 2010)
@@mrmojorisingii came here to say that as well. He's got a bright future doing something bad ass with his obvious work ethic and awesome speaking voice!
Hands done you guys are the gold standard for reviews. I give no weight greater than to the two of you. Please, please keep up the great work. 👊🏻
Never seen that guy get excited about anything. Until now.
Maybe
@@osamabinladen824 Building 7
True that,he actually seemed ecstatic
It’s so great to see Mark truly enjoy a car lol love that all it takes is a great motor/trans
You guys did this car justice. Being ridiculous at times fits the tone perfectly. The exterior shots were beautiful, the driving was mesmerizing on a fall day like that and the tech truly informative.
It just sounds so amazing! As for reliability, a Ferrari buyer goes into it knowing it's not an Accord. It's going to cost a fortune to fix, but for them, the experience is worth it.
That look on Jack's face when you took him for that drive... The silence says it all. I agree, what a drivetrain and an amazing Ferrari!
Love it when you guys get to review exotic cars. Realistic and technical perspective is often missing in videos about exotic cars.
I still remember one of the first times I saw one of these. My friends and I were on Highway 17 going from San Jose to Santa Cruz, around lunch time with mild traffic. Most people brake through the tight turns. All of a sudden the glorious crack of downshifting from a 458 becomes audible to everyone, and we look in the mirrors to see it weaving through traffic smoothly and accelerating towards us. We had just completed one of the tight turns and had a quarter mile straight in front of us, so the 458 was WOT through the end of the turn while passing us; it is one of our favorite memories. I look forward to the day I get to drive a 458.
I was working for Ferrari as a detailer when these were released, I have more then my fair share of cockpit time in them. Copiloted one with a tech at 130mph in a 1/4 mile blast, still can feel the acceleration, 9 years later.
"I think the main thing to talk about the Ferrari is:"
*Maranello noises intensify*
It's my favorite "regular" Ferrari of the last 20 years. Im so glad the owner let you guys do a full piece on this. I think you did a 458 quick review years ago, but you only had about an hour with it. I think the 458 is also the best looking Ferrari of the past 20 years, bar none.
I’m partial to the 360
I agree. It's absolutely gorgeous.
Outstanding video. At 23:03 Mark looks visibly melancholic-probably wondering to himself "when will I ever get to drive one of these, or anything this good, ever again?" Stellar work, as always!
If I had to estimate how much I hated myself as a teenager, I'd say about $200,000
Dealership, taxes, and shipping fees not included
While 10 plus years old, it is expected to be dated. However, the 458 redefined modern day exotics. Driving position, ergonomics, tactile feel was amazing.
13:50 How many times did you two have to rehearse "catastrophically expensive" to say it in unison?
Just happened.
They blow each other. Very hot. Lol
Shoutout to the owner. Thanks for letting them borrow your car. It was an awesome video and I just wanted to thank you for letting us all enjoy your awesome car.
I'm turning 18 that's the perfect car for me!
except you can't afford these cars in Italy, even if you are rich you'll pay a lot of tax money just because you OWN it...
Oh yeah and I couldn't afford it anyway lmao
$20k car - 'So many squeaks and rattles!'
$200k car - 'I can accept some defects'
Because you can, anyway you can find much cheaper cars that are still nice to drive
Did you even watch the full review up to the final thoughts pal?
that interior looks like trash.
if you can afford a Ferrari you can afford a nice German car like bmw or benz for the daily drive a Ferrari is a rich man toy and the fact that its a toy it must be exciting it must look good it must be fast and most importantly it must be dramatic in its operation and sound everything else is secondary.
Thank you, I loved this review. I'm putting my coat on right now to take my mustang for a long drive. I will send you the bill if I get a ticket. Thank you again.
I was lucky enough to have a family friend let me drive their 458 Spider a few years back - it's easily the highlight of my car experiences so far. The entire drivetrain is the pinnacle of NA sports cars.
I rented one of these during a vacation a couple years ago. I agree with everything you said when you’re out on open roads and can enjoy it. But I found it miserable for city driving. The accelerator is very sensitive and you’re constantly banging between first and second gear. I would love to drive a gt3, I think that would be my dream car after driving the 458 (which had been my dream car).
a manual 992 GT3 is number one on my list because of the tranny. 458 italia is number two because it's the sexiest car ever made, but not a manual.
The driving segment of this video is one of the best piece of motoring content ever. The intro music, sound of the v8, marks expressions simply beautiful. I watch it time to time and it always gives me chills.
Excellent video, Mark! I just got out of a 458 Spyder for my 10,000 sub video and shared a lot of the same impressions you mentioned here. Last of the naturally aspirated V8s from Maranello and that F1 derived DCT was DOMINATING. The theater on something like this and the flaws you mentioned make it, in my eyes, better than pretty much every modern supercar. Glad you enjoyed your time with the 458!
You guys remind me of the two valets driving the Ferrari in Feriss Buellers day off.
Year 2030
Tyler Hoover: Here's everything that is broken on the cheapest 458 in the country
They'll be worth even more than they are now, lol. More likely, it'll be an F12, or maybe even an 812 Superfast.
Boo
Well 2022 actually
I've driven the 458 Italia in Las Vegas. It was the most amazing automotive experience I've ever had. The induction sound is extremely addictive. My fav car.
You guys explained way we love cars so perfectly
------ Bar none, the BEST car content on UA-cam.
With a drivetrain is like an expensive Swiss Watch, and an interior like a Timex, what's not to like?
😂 you should be responsible for Ferraris dealer ads
Haha that did looked trashed inside after 19k...
That’s unfair to timex.
I like how the speedo dims during acceleration 😂
A UA-cam car video has never made my heart rate go up, until now. Great work shooting that particular portion.
Interior Impressions: Why you buy a Porsche.
Want a simplistic interior? Buy Ferrari! Want 50,000 buttons and blank switched? Buy Porsche!
@@KidSnatchhy Have.. have you seen the steering wheel in the 458?
Joshua David the only reason it has a simplistic interior is because they put all the buttons on the steering wheel.
But the fizz!
@@Aron-ru5zk where they should be
I love that you guys are from the midwest and showcase those corn field country roads. Cheers from WI.
I agree. The last of the true Ferraris. That's why I bought two. 🤗
Thanks for creating IMHO the best content when it comes to reviewing cars. You guys answer the questions everyone didn't think of yet but knew they needed to. Keep it up!
My favorite car of all time. I was happy enough to drive one in Maranello. Great experience. I didn't know they still have so big quality issues though. That's disappointing, but I can never afford one anyway 😁
I am privledged to own one. Thank you gods of automobiles for putting a 458 in my garage. I humbly bow to you.
Thank you for this, better than coffee. That v-8 is like a wood-wind instrument - converted into a chainsaw.
What a perfect summation for how I feel. Ferrari was my #2 favorite car company (behind Mazda, yes I'm serious lol) up until the time when they stopped making manual cars. I still like some of the post-manual cars (599, California, 458, and LaFerrari cuz GORGEOUS)...but they haven't been 'FERRARI!' for me in quite some time. I mean absolutely no disrespect as I still finding them amazing, but I don't follow what they're making much these days and haven't driven a new one in quite a while and haven't tried to find a way to do so.
They just don't have the same character as they did back then. They're hilariously faster, and incredibly more capable than the older cars, but they just don't have 'it' anymore for ME.
I understand that kids/young people these days will grow up with this as their poster on the wall, but man I wish they could have seen the cars from the early to mid '00's and the older stuff before they decided to refine away all the edges.
Ferrari was king for another reason besides speed. 👌
Give me a manual F355 or F360 any day over any modern Ferrari and I'd gladly take the reliability and service issues along with the much much much slower speeds lol. I'd be grinning all the way 😎👌
How in the world do you manage to put these out just a couple days apart?
Geese gotta get that bread. (birdseed?)
Studio magic. These videos aren’t shot one after the other, but in batches
I work 7 days a week and spend most my time in anger mode.
@@savagegeese - Wanna review my 99 corolla with 411k miles?!
@@slowgoat6089 Is that all the miles you want? Then Yes...
How you don't have a million subscribers is a mystery. Great work again SG
I'm nervous about deer jumping into the road in just about every one of your drive segments. This one had me standing up, shouting at the TV. And then a Deere appears 17:08.
Not a combine btw
I dont have a 458 but I do have a BRZ Limited (leather interior, heated seats, all the options) that I wanted to own since high school. And I smile every time I drive it! So, close enough to a Ferrari for now with my current budget.
Those driving impressions 😍😍 just sending’ it bud
the quality of these videos are out of this world. i remember the old videos which werent even 1080p
Thanks again for the car john
@@jackholmes8105 wait till you try the other one
That sound is savage. It's not a surprise Mark is a fan given his... uh, savagery? Geesery?
I'm wondering why this channel have only 500K subs. Why? Whyyy?????? Great work as always. Love Jack. Peace.
Best car (to die) for teenagers
Best car review channel on UA-cam atm. Detailed technical info (including awesome suspension shots you won't get to see anywhere else), no chickenshit "I have 10km of empty road ahead of me but I'm still not going 1 km/h above the speedlimit" driving, ultra-honest (but also balanced) opinions, razor sharp image quality.. what more can you ask?
I had the privilege to drive this on a track back to back with a huracan. The 458 was something else i totally understand why Marc is tripping
The wear on this car was GOOD to see. Someone that actually DRIVES the car. Not sitting in the heated garage 11 months out of the year
17:48 don't think I have seen Mark this happy before
Watching Mark drive this thing trying his best not to giggle like a school boy made my day. The sound of the engine makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck. Fabulous. It begs the question why Ferrari doesn't make a N/A engines anymore. This car with a manual transmission would be amazing. Driving enjoyment isn't about 0-60, or Nurburgring lap times. It's about emotion and satisfaction, which the 458 delivers in spades. Big shout out to the owner who was generous and gracious enough to let SG do a review so we can all enjoy it, instead of it being a garage queen that never sees real road use. I for one appreciate it.
That face Jack makes when you floored it is going to be a Meme
The audio quality of this channels videos is just fantastic. Most car channels spend all their time and energy making the visuals perfect with lots of arty drone shots but use shit audio equipment and lose the plot completely on a huge part of what makes these cars desirable - the sound. The audio when you’re driving the shit out of that engine is just phenomenal. Great visuals always but your audio quality is top notch.
I'm tellin' ya Goose, an hour-long album of just engine noise would sell like hot cakes.
The best sounding car I've seen on the channel. This looks like the most fun you can have in a car.
Future classic!
The 488 and F8 might out perform it, but the 458's soundtrack alone is worth it.
*laughs in lfa* sound dosent make cars better it just adds to the experience
@a gentleman in denial for me its just an addition. Like im perfectly fine with the way huayra sounds because it fits he character of the car perfectly and the driving experience is sublime. Yes I will miss the sounds of yesteryear but if they are sacrificed to keep ice's in cars for as long as possible im happy with anything.
Too many people think putting the microphone next to the exhaust is what you want.
No. No it's not. The sound you actually want to have is intake noise. And you guys fucking aced that here. Microphone mounted clear as day inside the engine bay.
Well done Mark. Well fucking done.
Ugh I turned 20 last month now I feel too old to buy one of those ugh
Wait till you hit 25 , it goes downhill after that
@@93mlo I felt like it was all over after turning 29 to the point where turning 30 didn't even phase me...
@17:32 when a car makes Jack look like he's getting sloppy top, the manufacturer hit it out of the park.
The 458 is an amazing vehicle. Love this review. Seems like an R8 V10 might be a better choice. Still sounds great but has better build quality and cheaper and you only sacrifice the slightly more dynamic handling of the 458.
With a front drive delete, yes.
And the look...
Best review of the 458 I’ve ever seen
Dude, my 16 year old will have to be happy with a used Kia. If anyone is getting one it’s going to be Me.
You're getting a 16 year old?
Your getting a 16 year old
@@NotCommanderShepard Sorry I can’t help you get a 16 year old boy , you need to do that own your own.
@@bernardturner8103 Stop hogging all the 16 year olds, man
This is, hands down, my favorite Savagegeese car review. Just listen to the car rev at max volume and I guarantee you will feel better at the end.
I just love how fast and high these things rev. Pure ear porn.
Just watching Mark's face during the drive is exactly why I watch savagegeese. Brilliant episode.
Fancy car with an engine as part of the consumables list. Can only dream.
Gorgeous video and men discussing things in this video.
I own this car since 2011, to be honest: BMW and Mercedes have a better navigation and other electronic features. But when it comes to driving, revving, feeling like a formula 1 race , this car is and will remain unbeatable!
And, by the way, I am also satisfied with the quality of the car and cannot confirm the alleged defects shown in your movie.
Summary: this car is an all-time great!
Did you use the bumpy road button? makes heck of a difference on road unless that comes in the UkKcars
Yes absolutely
17:55. The “driving face”, absolutely perfect! 😂