timestamps For fun: 6:52 The fast pace massacre begins 7:50 That's what you do when you have burgeoning in hand 8:34 Ian Horner, Member of the Assasins Creed 8:54 Really serge? you were a target since burgeoning landed 13:23 First blood 16:33 LRR goes full fight club 19:33 first slight mental breakdown at the hands of cam 19:48 and it kept going 20:26 yeah,Sometimes things can get really wild on edh 20:53 actually I agree with you ben 23:00 come on cam,it was only one life 26:45 the might clamp 36:03 polite way to interact with turn 2 burgeoning player 39:35 cam had a little autismic attack 41:34 because you never have sufficient mana,right? (and the group reaction to it) 44:31 you get to draw,and you get to draw and everyone gets to draw 46:57 exactly that cam 49:36 the book of batlle tactics is own by Ian (the group is confused) 51:00 we all know that wasn't true cam 54:04 perks of having a judge playing (sometimes it's not as good as it sounds) 55:30 cam's autismic attack Vol II 1:02:05 some may say the craziest most fun format 1:07:45 oh poor ben 1:09:40 his genuine reaction makes me happy 1:15:48 I would have done the same, fun is good 1:21:55 a good question indeed 1:32:57 cam is confused (and everyone laughs) 1:35:56 a bomb has landed 1:41:20 partners in tragedy 1:41:32 Good x7 1:48:11 late answer for burgeoning 1:56:53 cam looses it 1:57:26 ian's turns to loose it 1:58:13 ben's life sucks 2:08:22 cam worthless try to concede 2:26:15 counterfest 2:30:43 cam goes full on Joker 2:31:30 Ian's potty mouth 2:31:37 nobody knows that card (also,the table gets freshly cleaned) 2:36:31 another mental breakdown from cam 2:38:59 words of wisdom by ben 2:40:04 even cory needs a drink watching this game 2:41:27 second try by cam to concede 2:46:45 you're right cam,it's even worse that losing agains infect 2:50:27 167 life won.. the game is broken (also the stream gets broken) 2:54:54 2 down,1 more to go (shockingly results) 3:02:01 and the winner arises
For those still a bit confused about what was happening with Frenzied Fugue and Hellkite Tyrant, the official ruling here is that it is a triggered ability on entering the battlefield and when the controler's upkeep occurs. If there are no reactions to the stack, the ability resolves and what is read on the text occurs. When the enchantment entered the battlefield, the enchanted permanent is placed under the enchantment's owner's control until end of turn. The enchanted permanent also gains haste until end of turn. These effects persist until the end of turn regardless of what happens to the enchantment. If the ability were to say "Enchanted permanent has haste" or "You control enchanted permanent" then those would be considered static effects and would no longer be in effect should the enchantment be removed from the battlefield.
To clarify something that was said at around 2:09:00 Serge would NOT win on his upkeep, because when the beginning of his upkeep occurs he does not control Hellkite tyrant. stack looks like Upkeep: Whatever other upkeep stuff serge has - Frenzied fugue control change. Whatever other upkeep stuff serge has - (here he now has control of hellkite tyrant, but triggers have already occurred, so he cant win with its' trigger)
I feel rather ashamed to say that this was pretty similar to my playgroup's first time with Commander 2016. Including the turn 2 Burgeoning. Thankfully, it wasn't a mill victory, but Commander damage from K&T with Rubblehulk +32 lands and Treacherous Terrain to finish off the others.
I love watching Serge being a judge, he's so informative and neutral in his rulings, like he does his part to be positive even if its bad information for one of the players.
Is it just me, or starting around 2:03:00 does Serge forget to trigger Consuming Abberation's passive three times because of spell twine and the two copies it makes?
This game was a great example of why you should constantly be thinking of what your turn is going to be during the other players turns. Makes your turns go so much quicker. Serge was great at this. You shouldn't be doing all of your thinking and looking at your hand when your turn begins.
@LoadingReadyLive Hey I love this table and you're set up I was just wondering where I could find a similar table and what do y'all use to hold the camera in place to record with?
I know it's kind of a weird situation. That's why I was asking. I don't think it would have any real effect on the game, it was more of a rules question for possible future reference.
Judge Question: Is the Frenzied Fugue / Hellkite Tyrant play that Serge was attempting actually a nonbo? Suppose Serge actually had 20 artifacts at the beginning of his upkeep, and that Hellkite Tyrant was still enchanted with Frenzied Fugue. Then, as far as I understand it, Frenzied Fugue would have put a trigger on the stack that would put the Hellkite under Serge's control. However, is it still the "beginning" of Serge's upkeep when that trigger resolves? And if it isn't then does that mean that the Hellkite's wincon trigger never actually fires because by the time the Hellkite is under Serge's control its past the beginning of his upkeep?
Found the answer to my own question. The play Serge wanted to make wouldn't have worked anyway. From the gatherer rulings: "11/8/2016 You won’t control the enchanted permanent as your upkeep begins. Any “at the beginning of your upkeep” abilities it has won’t trigger during your upkeep (unless you already controlled the permanent). Similarly, if you have an “at the beginning of your upkeep” ability that targets a permanent you control, that ability can’t target it."
With the cascade mechanic, you exile cards from the top of your library until you find a card with lower mana cost than the card you are casting from your hand, serge was playing the exiled card onto the field, and putting the rest onto the bottom of his library, am i missing something?
702.84a Cascade is a triggered ability that functions only while the spell with cascade is on the stack. “Cascade” means “When you cast this spell, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card whose converted mana cost is less than this spell’s converted mana cost. You may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Then put all cards exiled this way that weren’t cast on the bottom of your library in a random order.”
At 1:42:16 Serge played Windfall, shouldn't Aeon Chronicler die in response of this because he had 0 Cards at the Moment he discards? If thats not the case, what's with the following attack where he discards all his cards to pump his creature against Ben?
Creatures with 0 toughness die as a state based action, and state based actions aren't checked during the resolution of a spell. Before Windfall resolves, he has cards in hand, after Windfall resolves and state based actions are checked, he has cards in hand, so it shouldn't die. The following attack I think he keeps some cards. Glint-Eye lets him do that.
Thomas Peace more importantly I am almost positive that the clause "take control of enchanted creature" would mean that when the creature is no longer enchanted he loses control of it regardless of the "until the end of turn" clause
That's wrong. The enchantment doesn't say "you control enchanted permanent" like confiscate, it's a trigger that changes control until end of turn. It's basically casting threaten when it comes into play, which isn't contingent on the enchantment still being in play.
+Francisco Medina - Incorrect, if it would work the way you think it wouldn't have the "until end of turn" clause, it would say you control the creature "as long as you control [card name]". It makes no sense to put "until end of turn" on the card, if it'd possibly leave control earlier.
I would agree with you if it didn't say "enchanted creature". There would be no point in making that spell an enchantment if its effect could bypass the rules of enchantment as you both suggest. The way you two put it makes the card strictly better than a sorcery.
2:45:40 If only Serge targeted himself with the Rakdos Charm then it'd be much harder for Ben to mill him out in time since the Keening Stone used Serge's GY.
one thing they seem to get consistently wrong on afk is how the extra mana when re-casting commanders works. the actual rule is it costs an extra 2 for every time it has been cast from the command zone, not how many times it has died. a minor detail and one that only really comes up if a commander gets countered but something that is important to note
Technical question for Serge, I can't find the answer anywhere. If a player dies while you control some number of their permanents, what happens to those permanents? Also, if I die in a three player game while having cards exiled with Stasis Snare until it leaves the battlefield, does me dying cause Stasis Snare to leave the battlefield and give players their creatures back?
Bobal27 Whenever a player loses the game, all cards he or she owns are exiled, even if they are under control of someone else. All triggers or spells that player owns on the stack are also exiled, so no effects on those cards that trigger off them leaving happen. This also means any spells they were casting as they die just disappear. These exiled cards don't stay in the exile zone, because that player isn't in the game, so yo can't target them in any way. Any cards the dying player controlled but didn't own are put back in their owner's graveyards. All in all, this means you get your guy back from a stasis snare owned by the dying player, but if it was an older card with wording like Oblivion Ring, you don't get anything back because the trigger is removed from the stack when he or she dies. If you have a stasis snare with another person's creature under it, and that player dies, nothing comes back whenever the stasis snare goes away, because the creature under it was removed from exile as he or she lost.
It depends on how you gained control of their cards. Let's say the card in question is Llanowar Elves. You cast Act of Treason to gain control of it for a turn. But in the middle of your attack, your opponent casts Lightning Bolt and puts you to 0 life. Llanowar Elves would then return to your opponent's control. However, let's say you cast Stolen Goods and get the Llanowar Elves from your opponent's library. Then, after the elves hit the field under your control. your opponent then casts Lightning Bolt to put you to 0 life. Llanowar Elves would then be exiled. Long story short: if the card was a permanent before you gained control of it, it goes back to its owner. If not, it's exiled.
Ok, I think I understand both of your answers, but let's just say hypothetically that Serge gained control of Cam's dragon, which let him take control of Cam's artifacts. If they had not died at the exact same time, and Serge had lost first, then you're saying Cam would've gotten back all of his artifacts, even though they were stolen "permanently?"
I think one of the first things I found with these pre cons was that none of them seem to win very well right out of the box. none of them have super strong win cards
2:08:22 "o.k., you win." Me walking away from any game after getting my Createrhoof Behemoth countered after casting devout Invocation at the endstep of the persons turn before me with a vadalken orrery.
Tbh, drinking while playing edh sounds fun in theory, but it always turns out like this. 3 people are oppressed by the one sober guy at the table, and if they are playing new lists it takes some time for the win. It's not Serge's fault that no one did anything, he was trying to win and the only way to win was a grueling mill combo that kept being interrupted repeatedly by people who didn't have a way to better interact with the board state. No one developed as quickly as Serge, and by the time he was in a position to win Cam was already hitting the sleepy part of buzzed. Then Ben with the Arcane Denial is what really made the game last so long, although it put him into an actual winning position for a time. He had to wait until the very last spell to counter anything instead of scooping it up when the game could've ended. My friends and I run into this problem every now and again when we play 3 or 4 hour games where no one can get into a winning position because our decks are built against each other. You know if you make the first move you'll be taken out, so you always wait for your face in the hole. It's annoying, but it happens. I still love Ben and Serge as players, and the group had an interesting game.
I really like the overlay :) It's way easier for new players (like me) to keep up with what is going on and see what is going on. the big league streams should take note from this :p
Ah, Ghastly Conscription. I knew there was a reason I put that in my own deck a while ago. Good times.On a similar note. What happens if you manifest a double-faced card?
Same as if you manifested a normal card. It's a 2/2 colourless creature regardless of what the 'back' says. A morph/manifest is NOT what the card says on the back, it is what it is defined as in the rules. Use the Manifest token overlay or a substititute card (e.g. the checklist card) if it's confusing. Some people say that DFCs effectively have a "third face" for these purposes :P
I have never seen a man so broken as Cam when Serge started stealing his board, my god.
timestamps For fun:
6:52 The fast pace massacre begins
7:50 That's what you do when you have burgeoning in hand
8:34 Ian Horner, Member of the Assasins Creed
8:54 Really serge? you were a target since burgeoning landed
13:23 First blood
16:33 LRR goes full fight club
19:33 first slight mental breakdown at the hands of cam
19:48 and it kept going
20:26 yeah,Sometimes things can get really wild on edh
20:53 actually I agree with you ben
23:00 come on cam,it was only one life
26:45 the might clamp
36:03 polite way to interact with turn 2 burgeoning player
39:35 cam had a little autismic attack
41:34 because you never have sufficient mana,right? (and the group reaction to it)
44:31 you get to draw,and you get to draw and everyone gets to draw
46:57 exactly that cam
49:36 the book of batlle tactics is own by Ian (the group is confused)
51:00 we all know that wasn't true cam
54:04 perks of having a judge playing (sometimes it's not as good as it sounds)
55:30 cam's autismic attack Vol II
1:02:05 some may say the craziest most fun format
1:07:45 oh poor ben
1:09:40 his genuine reaction makes me happy
1:15:48 I would have done the same, fun is good
1:21:55 a good question indeed
1:32:57 cam is confused (and everyone laughs)
1:35:56 a bomb has landed
1:41:20 partners in tragedy
1:41:32 Good x7
1:48:11 late answer for burgeoning
1:56:53 cam looses it
1:57:26 ian's turns to loose it
1:58:13 ben's life sucks
2:08:22 cam worthless try to concede
2:26:15 counterfest
2:30:43 cam goes full on Joker
2:31:30 Ian's potty mouth
2:31:37 nobody knows that card (also,the table gets freshly cleaned)
2:36:31 another mental breakdown from cam
2:38:59 words of wisdom by ben
2:40:04 even cory needs a drink watching this game
2:41:27 second try by cam to concede
2:46:45 you're right cam,it's even worse that losing agains infect
2:50:27 167 life won.. the game is broken (also the stream gets broken)
2:54:54 2 down,1 more to go (shockingly results)
3:02:01 and the winner arises
2:30:43 was the most beautiful scene llr has ever streamed
Good x7 was great
better name for this video is Cam's decent into madness lol
Chris Fenn Innistrad is a great Plane :P
I wish you guys did this more often. It's hysterical, especially Serge's reactions to the cards
Wow almost no combat, 3 hours, everyone mills 100 cards, still entertaining as all hell
I don't know why, but I find Cameron and Serge so adorable
Unyielding Existentialism name checks out
"We need to kill Serge with Commander damage everybody!"
No one else but Serge plays their commander for 2 hours
I love how Ben's background from the start is, quite literally, the Engineering section.
Just recently found this channel and I love this entire cast. I'm watching ALL of their content. Yes, Please. More.
For those still a bit confused about what was happening with Frenzied Fugue and Hellkite Tyrant, the official ruling here is that it is a triggered ability on entering the battlefield and when the controler's upkeep occurs. If there are no reactions to the stack, the ability resolves and what is read on the text occurs.
When the enchantment entered the battlefield, the enchanted permanent is placed under the enchantment's owner's control until end of turn. The enchanted permanent also gains haste until end of turn. These effects persist until the end of turn regardless of what happens to the enchantment.
If the ability were to say "Enchanted permanent has haste" or "You control enchanted permanent" then those would be considered static effects and would no longer be in effect should the enchantment be removed from the battlefield.
I loved it when Cam started dying of laughter after he topdecked the Undaunted spell that wiped the board. Cam is my favorite person on the team
"And you're player number red" -Serge, 2016
"I gain 187 life." *throws keyboard into trashcan*
And everyone gets to enjoy the suffering once more!
That was an amazing game of Highlander.
Though, I thought this was supposed to be a Commander game.
one of them was playing commander
CSDragon edh=commander tho right?
EDH- Elder Dragon Highlander. Highlander is usually meant to mean Canadian Highlander, another format enjoyed by some people.
Finalwizard9 i knew what edh stood for and knew about Canadian highlander bot not what its about or the rules i was just confused by his comment
To clarify something that was said at around 2:09:00 Serge would NOT win on his upkeep, because when the beginning of his upkeep occurs he does not control Hellkite tyrant.
stack looks like
Upkeep: Whatever other upkeep stuff serge has - Frenzied fugue control change.
Whatever other upkeep stuff serge has - (here he now has control of hellkite tyrant, but triggers have already occurred, so he cant win with its' trigger)
Breya is an artifact Cam, you can convoke it with your engineer >
Cathar's Crusade is why all Atraxa players should use dice instead of little stones for counters
Cam's "F6" at 2:44:10 or so made me crack up when I noticed it!! You guys are fantastic! Can't wait for more commander games!
I feel rather ashamed to say that this was pretty similar to my playgroup's first time with Commander 2016. Including the turn 2 Burgeoning. Thankfully, it wasn't a mill victory, but Commander damage from K&T with Rubblehulk +32 lands and Treacherous Terrain to finish off the others.
2:24:25, Cameron shows what a fun, casual game of Commander this is.
i love how serge spent the entire game at over double his health and no one really did anything
I love watching Serge being a judge, he's so informative and neutral in his rulings, like he does his part to be positive even if its bad information for one of the players.
Is it just me, or starting around 2:03:00 does Serge forget to trigger Consuming Abberation's passive three times because of spell twine and the two copies it makes?
This episode was like watching a train wreck. Its beautiful in a horrific sort of way.
A train wreck on a railway built in Ticket to Ride.
Oh god, that amazing Bonehoard destruction play, I hope the Boompile gets used right after just to prove Cam's point.
What are they using for the card reader?
This game was a great example of why you should constantly be thinking of what your turn is going to be during the other players turns. Makes your turns go so much quicker. Serge was great at this. You shouldn't be doing all of your thinking and looking at your hand when your turn begins.
can we get another match of this but with Ian playing saskia and serge playing atraxa
And graham playing
Just playing.
Saskia is great, games are shorter with her. She doesn't win often, but you'll get more games in.
I laughed so hard when Ian discarded 5 lands to ancient excavation. The look on Cam and Serge's faces was priceless.
AND IT WAS ALL HIS LANDS THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN
@LoadingReadyLive Hey I love this table and you're set up I was just wondering where I could find a similar table and what do y'all use to hold the camera in place to record with?
When Akroan Horse came into play, do you not use the opponent's end step who gains control of it when placing the soldiers?
Best overlay I've seen for a commander video 10/10
I've never seen Cam out of character! Just became my favorite person on the show from this video.
why didn't Ben give away howling mine, it's a universal effect anyways
Serge- "Its no play 98 card deck cuz my names ben ulmer"
Im making this a format now.
Hey Serge, @ 45:45, though Yidris was not placed into the deck, would you not still shuffle your deck as part of the resolution of Oblation?
It says to shuffle it not to shuffle the deck.
But I don't really know
I know it's kind of a weird situation. That's why I was asking. I don't think it would have any real effect on the game, it was more of a rules question for possible future reference.
I like how every player ended the game with no cards in their library
I like how the person with the least amount of starting cards in his library won the mill bout.
(98 cards, 2 partnered commanders.)
28:26 Forgotten Ancient has the "You may put a +1/+1 counter on it" So actually he doesn't have to put another counter on it.
I find it hilarious that, of all the people in the intro, Cameron is the one playing with unsleeved cards.
wizkida981015 there all playing without sleeves. It's all cards from different games.
Cards Against Humanity wasn't sleeved
Still love the fact Serge literally doubled his life total by turn 5-6
That graceful spittle from Ben. Sometimes a trainwreck game is better than normal games.
This episode of commander could also be called "Cameron takes the shaft"
Cam laugh at 2:30:50 was so cute and funny.
Judge Question: Is the Frenzied Fugue / Hellkite Tyrant play that Serge was attempting actually a nonbo? Suppose Serge actually had 20 artifacts at the beginning of his upkeep, and that Hellkite Tyrant was still enchanted with Frenzied Fugue. Then, as far as I understand it, Frenzied Fugue would have put a trigger on the stack that would put the Hellkite under Serge's control. However, is it still the "beginning" of Serge's upkeep when that trigger resolves? And if it isn't then does that mean that the Hellkite's wincon trigger never actually fires because by the time the Hellkite is under Serge's control its past the beginning of his upkeep?
Found the answer to my own question. The play Serge wanted to make wouldn't have worked anyway. From the gatherer rulings:
"11/8/2016 You won’t control the enchanted permanent as your upkeep begins. Any “at the beginning of your upkeep” abilities it has won’t trigger during your upkeep (unless you already controlled the permanent). Similarly, if you have an “at the beginning of your upkeep” ability that targets a permanent you control, that ability can’t target it."
It doesn't matter because Cam should have never let any good creatures resolve with Breya
You're correct, that line doesn't work.
everyones last name ends in er
Conner Dalisa It's because they're Canadian, eh. 😋
'Er'der Dragon Highlander
2:38:43
"We had a lot of fun here tonight."
Cam's gonna beat us all with a tire iron out back after the show.
With the cascade mechanic, you exile cards from the top of your library until you find a card with lower mana cost than the card you are casting from your hand, serge was playing the exiled card onto the field, and putting the rest onto the bottom of his library, am i missing something?
702.84a Cascade is a triggered ability that functions only while the spell with cascade is on the stack. “Cascade” means “When you cast this spell, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card whose converted mana cost is less than this spell’s converted mana cost. You may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Then put all cards exiled this way that weren’t cast on the bottom of your library in a random order.”
At 1:42:16 Serge played Windfall, shouldn't Aeon Chronicler die in response of this because he had 0 Cards at the Moment he discards? If thats not the case, what's with the following attack where he discards all his cards to pump his creature against Ben?
Creatures with 0 toughness die as a state based action, and state based actions aren't checked during the resolution of a spell. Before Windfall resolves, he has cards in hand, after Windfall resolves and state based actions are checked, he has cards in hand, so it shouldn't die. The following attack I think he keeps some cards. Glint-Eye lets him do that.
When Serge attacks cam at 2:14:10 cam could have sacrificed all his artifacts to make thopters and blocked the damage from hellkite.
Thomas Peace more importantly I am almost positive that the clause "take control of enchanted creature" would mean that when the creature is no longer enchanted he loses control of it regardless of the "until the end of turn" clause
I agree. There were definitely misrulings on several things.
That's wrong. The enchantment doesn't say "you control enchanted permanent" like confiscate, it's a trigger that changes control until end of turn. It's basically casting threaten when it comes into play, which isn't contingent on the enchantment still being in play.
+Francisco Medina - Incorrect, if it would work the way you think it wouldn't have the "until end of turn" clause, it would say you control the creature "as long as you control [card name]".
It makes no sense to put "until end of turn" on the card, if it'd possibly leave control earlier.
I would agree with you if it didn't say "enchanted creature". There would be no point in making that spell an enchantment if its effect could bypass the rules of enchantment as you both suggest. The way you two put it makes the card strictly better than a sorcery.
First video watched from your channel absolutely love it hope there's more like it!
Is that a Hero Quest board?! Love that game!
2:45:40 If only Serge targeted himself with the Rakdos Charm then it'd be much harder for Ben to mill him out in time since the Keening Stone used Serge's GY.
I loved Serge anyway, but finding out that he is a tetotaler adds icing to the cake.
This was the best and worst thing I've ever seen...
wich app for scannin do they use?
Do more of these!!!!!
but with this deck.
tappedout.net/mtg-decks/muahahahahha/
i love this they should do this more often id watch the hell out of that
one thing they seem to get consistently wrong on afk is how the extra mana when re-casting commanders works. the actual rule is it costs an extra 2 for every time it has been cast from the command zone, not how many times it has died. a minor detail and one that only really comes up if a commander gets countered but something that is important to note
I love how angry Cameron is, he's like my commander totem spirit.
Technical question for Serge, I can't find the answer anywhere. If a player dies while you control some number of their permanents, what happens to those permanents? Also, if I die in a three player game while having cards exiled with Stasis Snare until it leaves the battlefield, does me dying cause Stasis Snare to leave the battlefield and give players their creatures back?
Bobal27 Whenever a player loses the game, all cards he or she owns are exiled, even if they are under control of someone else. All triggers or spells that player owns on the stack are also exiled, so no effects on those cards that trigger off them leaving happen. This also means any spells they were casting as they die just disappear. These exiled cards don't stay in the exile zone, because that player isn't in the game, so yo can't target them in any way. Any cards the dying player controlled but didn't own are put back in their owner's graveyards.
All in all, this means you get your guy back from a stasis snare owned by the dying player, but if it was an older card with wording like Oblivion Ring, you don't get anything back because the trigger is removed from the stack when he or she dies.
If you have a stasis snare with another person's creature under it, and that player dies, nothing comes back whenever the stasis snare goes away, because the creature under it was removed from exile as he or she lost.
It depends on how you gained control of their cards.
Let's say the card in question is Llanowar Elves. You cast Act of Treason to gain control of it for a turn. But in the middle of your attack, your opponent casts Lightning Bolt and puts you to 0 life. Llanowar Elves would then return to your opponent's control.
However, let's say you cast Stolen Goods and get the Llanowar Elves from your opponent's library. Then, after the elves hit the field under your control. your opponent then casts Lightning Bolt to put you to 0 life. Llanowar Elves would then be exiled.
Long story short: if the card was a permanent before you gained control of it, it goes back to its owner. If not, it's exiled.
Your answers are 1.) you keep their permanents until you exit the game. and 2.) it stays exiled... forever
Ok, I think I understand both of your answers, but let's just say hypothetically that Serge gained control of Cam's dragon, which let him take control of Cam's artifacts. If they had not died at the exact same time, and Serge had lost first, then you're saying Cam would've gotten back all of his artifacts, even though they were stolen "permanently?"
cam would have lost his artifacts because they were under Serge's control when he lost
I don't feel safe after this
such a great format
I think one of the first things I found with these pre cons was that none of them seem to win very well right out of the box. none of them have super strong win cards
this is the video that got me into commander
It took less than an hour for Cam to tell Serge he hated him, Ben to call him a dong, and for Ian to suggest taking serge outback and browbeating him.
best game of commander ive ever seen in my entire life.
Watching Ian play makes me sad.
2:08:22 "o.k., you win." Me walking away from any game after getting my Createrhoof Behemoth countered after casting devout Invocation at the endstep of the persons turn before me with a vadalken orrery.
Cranial plating onto thopter, take no damage?
Tbh, drinking while playing edh sounds fun in theory, but it always turns out like this. 3 people are oppressed by the one sober guy at the table, and if they are playing new lists it takes some time for the win. It's not Serge's fault that no one did anything, he was trying to win and the only way to win was a grueling mill combo that kept being interrupted repeatedly by people who didn't have a way to better interact with the board state. No one developed as quickly as Serge, and by the time he was in a position to win Cam was already hitting the sleepy part of buzzed. Then Ben with the Arcane Denial is what really made the game last so long, although it put him into an actual winning position for a time. He had to wait until the very last spell to counter anything instead of scooping it up when the game could've ended. My friends and I run into this problem every now and again when we play 3 or 4 hour games where no one can get into a winning position because our decks are built against each other. You know if you make the first move you'll be taken out, so you always wait for your face in the hole. It's annoying, but it happens. I still love Ben and Serge as players, and the group had an interesting game.
I really like the overlay :) It's way easier for new players (like me) to keep up with what is going on and see what is going on.
the big league streams should take note from this :p
Cams face at the 2 and a half hour mark... Pure agony! lol
i like the older howling mine better, it doesnt have that "if it becomes tapped, this abillity becomes inactive"
Why is it so hard to update the life counter?
Couldn't Ian played Ghave into necroplasm then put it in his yard on the next upkeep, then just have a cycling dredge so he would die to mill?
That was insane, but I hope it won't be another year to next commander game. I'd love to see your own decks once :)
Ah, Ghastly Conscription. I knew there was a reason I put that in my own deck a while ago. Good times.On a similar note. What happens if you manifest a double-faced card?
Same as if you manifested a normal card. It's a 2/2 colourless creature regardless of what the 'back' says. A morph/manifest is NOT what the card says on the back, it is what it is defined as in the rules. Use the Manifest token overlay or a substititute card (e.g. the checklist card) if it's confusing.
Some people say that DFCs effectively have a "third face" for these purposes :P
thanks
Serge, it's only 1 person's creatures with volcanic vision
AFK commander 2017?
In other news, Quicksmith Spy should have been in Ben's deck now that it has been spoiled.
when are you planing to do the next Chaos draft. I liked that stream. and also could you do a aether revolt draft
Serge if it goes to the grave or exile, then it can go to the command zone. If it goes to the deck, then it goes to the deck.
Nope. Rule change fixed that. Whenever a Commander changes zones, you can replace the effect to send it to the Command Zone.
Rule 903.9 if you wanted to check for yourself.
Is it just me, or would it be really easy for people to rules-check themselves before commenting?
Matthew Jones to be fair that's a new rule
Why was bonehoard put in Cam's graveyard? It's an equipment right?
Ian targeted the bonehoard itself, not the germ.
Gotcha, must've missed that. Thanks my dude
Ian Putreyied it.
This should be re-titled "AFK - Commander 2016 'Cam vs. The Brain Meltening' "
So Serge's deck was just chock full of busted cards... xD
Still entertaining to watch, which is testament to how awesome these guys are to watch
what software is used for this`?
What is the first card game in the opening?
The one that surge played is burgeoning.
man Cam's face when Surge cascaded into a sol ring after casting a simic signet
Serge had enough mana. to cast the Chain of Vapor. He had an extra mana from his bouce/karoo land (at least Rakdos Carnarium).
i know this is late but cam with chief engineer and a free white soldier token seems really good with breya since he is color locked on blue and white
33:30 Ian asks if someone could cut him, and suddenly his and camerons camrea gos black. Very suspicous
Cam's mind finally goes at 2:31:00
should chronicler die when you cast windfall?
did they just play highlander with commander 2016 decks and just take out the commander
That was a great watch. well done guys.
Up until this very moment, I did not know that Ben was Bengineering!
You should use sleeves that match the player color on screen, to help dumb people like me remember who's who.
Kieran Block Note the colour the frame on all 4 sides of the screen
It helps to shuffle commander decks when you have massive hands, like I do.
CHULP 75 it's helpful having massive hands when shuffling commander decks.*
I know, English is hard.
damn it ian, you made me choke on my soda when you said "count it" all nongiveafuckly