I had the pleasure of retrofitting a new American lock cylinder replacement into one of these older style van padlocks. I don't know why they stopped making them this way. This series can be unlocked and then can be locked again without the key retained. Very convenient. All the new ones cannot be relocked without the key being retained. Very inconvenient. Before you said it, I saw the video header and the keyhole placement, and I was indeed drooling. Cheers
I just found an AMERICAN Puck at the neighborhood lock shop on Queen Anne.She gave me a good price and wrote a time on the box.13.If I beat it,I got 5 bucks back.I didn't watch a video or look at the keys.Blind pick.18.Saw a guy on You Tube beat it in about 3 and didn't gut it.I know the folks you speak of.
While this model is discontinued I don't think this example is particularly old. I've been studying when the various logos appear on American locks with date codes, and this logo (with the flag and the R in a circle trademark symbol) seems to first appear somewhere around 2004 (the earliest example I've found with this logo has date code PEKj, which is Nov 2004).
Nice! Never seen one of these before. Looks like the lobe on the back of the cylinder was oriented for a bypass tool, but the actuator fit so well it couldn't squeeze in.. Great stuff! Ratyoke 🤤
I bought a new American puck lock and used its cylinder to outfit the 2500 I was working on. The cylinder has small differences. The length and design. The 2500 series and alike have flat backs. If you set the cylinder housing down on its face without the cylinder core in and put a ruler on top of the cylinder hole, the axis is perpendicular to the body, and totally flat. The newer models have a literal cleft at the back of the cylinder housing. To act as a ward preventing full rotation of the cylinder. I don't remember how the retainer clip accounts for it to hold the cylinder, but the back of the new American cylinders with that raised edge has to be ground down or cut accordingly to accommodate the old cylinder core which is shorter, to be proper for the cylinder port in the puck with the cam and backplate
Great video and really cool lock The other night was a sad night. I had to take a grinder to my Enforcer padlock because my key had gone missing and that unfortunately means my kingpin lock is now without a key as well. Might be sending them your way. And maybe make an upgrade to the protec II padlock and kingpin lock.
it looks like even with a halfway reasonable amount of slack, you can get those screws with a flat screwdriver for narrow spaces. Great pinning is one thing, but just having the tool to take it appart in with your auto wrenches is another.
@@bosnianbill too bad. I don’t guess it makes much difference in locksport, but for everyday locks it might help beef up security. Probably not worth the time though I guess. 🤷🏻♂️
A puck lock like this one is supposed to be used with the back plate flat against the door with no access to the back plate. Under those conditions, it won't compromise security. To completely remove each screw with an angled hex key, you'll need more slack in the hasp and pin than I think is possible.
Locking bar? What locking bar? You can stop wondering... This is a case of understanding how a lock works can work in your favor. Take the time to look at other videos showing how these locks actually work and you'll see that it contains a brass (non-magnetic) core and actuator. Also, what do you mean by "super strong magnet"? Like in a magnetic rail gun? Or perhaps the electromagnetic pulse generated by a nuclear detonation? THAT kind of "super strong"?
Ok bill, considering the core adapter sleeve and steel pins fully populated, oh and the anti-crunch springs, are you sure that your friend hasn't put a better core in this lock? Id be suspicious
Bill, it's a pretty sad state of affairs when a company that supposedly hired machinists couldn't figure out how to machine stainless steel. As anyone with a manufacturing background knows, mass produced parts aren't turned one piece at a time. These puck would have been part of a large rod that was fed into an automated lathe and had the front face cut first, then a final cutoff tool to part the remains. A first year metal shop student could have figured that out. I can't say I'm a collector, but a person that likes quality manufactured items. I may or may not own a few Junkunc Brothers locks as well as a ample supply of pre Master Lock ownership, American 700's.
Early stainless steel used a different formulation of chromium and steel compared to modern stainless it was a pain to machine on mass since if your speeds and feeds were off at all it would gouge the surface instead of cleanly milling its the same if the tool was dulled at all
@@Bobis32 Sorry, not even close. This lock would have been manufactured sometime in the late 1970's or early 1980's. The stainless steel of choice would have been 301 or 303 for it's easy maintainability. I doubt that they use 409/409M or 410 stainless (the same materials used to produce stainless steel firearms) Any machine operator with more than basic understanding of machining would have started the skim pass, and dialed the rotational speed up or down to improve on the surface finish. I'm not a machinist by trade, but worked in a department producing prototypes and limited production items. IMO the only super alloy that can be difficult to machine would be Hastelloy 276 or possibly Inconel 625, but both of those alloys would cost more for the raw stock than what this lock sold for new.
@@gungadinn have you ever used HSS cutters on a lathe or are you accustomed to tungsten carbide, in my experience HSS leaves marring on the surface of 301 stainless(i mostly machined brass which is soft so i hadnt invested in carbides yet when i started doing stainless steel)
@@Bobis32 By HSS you referring to cobalt tooling. 3/8x3/8x3" The answer is yes I have. I will sometimes use them in a fly cutter on a Bridgeport. You want to sharpen them with a small radius for the cutting surface, with a 10 degree relief cut. Crank down on the set screws retaining the cutter to the tool post. Lock down the carriage or saddle or you will get chatter. When cutting stainless, a heavy weight cutting fluid works (Moly-Dee comes to mind), but little beats flood cooling for keeping the heat out and flushing the chip. For a cutting lube that is much easier to clean up, a product called Boe-Lube (the pink color) is a waxy type product that can be used for drilling, tapping, surface machining, and O-ring installation. MSC sells both of these products. If I had to purchase just one, the Boe-Lube would be it.
Just wondering, was that actuator tightly tied to the core end or could it rotate on its own if the spring loaded bar were out of the way via a magnet?
@@junkman8742 Yes, that's very important to remember. Because if your horse has a bird's nest in its mane, simply sprinkle baker's yeast on the horse. For yeast is yeast, and nest is nest, and never the mane shall tweet.
Every time a lock company gets bought up by a vulture capitalist, the number of pins decreases and the pins and pinning become simplified, and the lock becomes crap security because more pins, complex pins, complex pinning, is all money, money and money. I'm positive if the money guy had his full say we'd be paying $300 for a twist tie....a used twist tie, but in a fancy box with lots of flash and endless web ads on UA-cam.
Bill, could a M1903 Springfield (a vintage American rifle) do damage to a Master Lock? (Even if it probably can't, the rifle preferred by Chesty Puller deserves a shot at a Master!)
They cheap out on pins to save 10 cents of manufacturing costs, but lose out far more on sales because of destroying their credibility and security. The policy makes no sense whatsoever, unless you're a corporate bean-counter.
"It's always my last choice", well yeah, if you choose right the first time then you won't make another choice, therefore it is always your last choice.
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Glad you enjoyed it! I'll be looking for that pin!
Thanks for sharing with us sir!
Awesome piece thank you @legallockpicker
I have this same lock on my garage door. glad to see it's a quality lock.
As a kid I used to drool over the American brand padlocks at the department store.
Now that was awesome. Really enjoyed this video. Your right, they don't make them like that anymore.
I still struggle picking American padlocks . It takes ages to get a open. Definitely tricky picks. Great lock and vid bill.👍
That is a proper lock. Good work on the open, and thanks much for showing the innards. Certainly a shame this is not the norm.
Did you hear that MasterLock - This SHOULD BE the norm.
Lol, that spring was hilarious
Great lock company you have. Would be a shame if someone Masterlock bought it. Nice lock!
And they did.
That's how to pin up a lock. I love those serrated spools. Nice demonstration on how to pick this lock and those security pins.
I had the pleasure of retrofitting a new American lock cylinder replacement into one of these older style van padlocks. I don't know why they stopped making them this way. This series can be unlocked and then can be locked again without the key retained. Very convenient. All the new ones cannot be relocked without the key being retained. Very inconvenient. Before you said it, I saw the video header and the keyhole placement, and I was indeed drooling. Cheers
One locksmith I know says he loves a good challenge when it comes to American locks.
Struggling picking!, nice American padlock!, thanks for sharing with us!
What a nice little core, thanks for showing it to us.
Had these installed captive in hasps on my last van. Loved them. Nice work Bill.
Great job as always 👍🏻. Wish they pinned cores like that now, serrated and spool pins are a great combination.
Hi, Bill. Great ol' time goodness. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!
Thanks! Always wanted to know how those worked
Wow!! Sweet lock and great pins!!
Great picking and Lock, at least the bigger springs are easier to find.
have a great day
They just don’t build them like they used to. That was a great little battle.
I personally enjoy the lip-flapping
Great video, I learn so much from watching you.
Thanks 👍
I love Puck locks for some weird reason and that ones a thing of fascinating beauty, thank you for sharing this with us ;-)
I just found an AMERICAN Puck at the neighborhood lock shop on Queen Anne.She gave me a good price and wrote a time on the box.13.If I beat it,I got 5 bucks back.I didn't watch a video or look at the keys.Blind pick.18.Saw a guy on You Tube beat it in about 3 and didn't gut it.I know the folks you speak of.
As i saw the first screw standing up ehen you throw it into the Pinning tray i was waiting for the second screw to stand up aswell :D
Very good made Lock and nice Pick
While this model is discontinued I don't think this example is particularly old. I've been studying when the various logos appear on American locks with date codes, and this logo (with the flag and the R in a circle trademark symbol) seems to first appear somewhere around 2004 (the earliest example I've found with this logo has date code PEKj, which is Nov 2004).
Impressive landing of that first screw taken out.
Nice! Never seen one of these before. Looks like the lobe on the back of the cylinder was oriented for a bypass tool, but the actuator fit so well it couldn't squeeze in.. Great stuff! Ratyoke 🤤
beautiful! thanks for the dissection!
An urgent little spring that lol
Nice picking
At 6:00 the screw fall upright!!
you could do a whole series of putting locks back together !
Does the comb work in those locks? And as far as those spools, it doesn’t seem like it would cost anything more to put those in all locks.
Beautiful you always have the most wonderful Toys
It takes skill to drop a screw and have it land on its bitten and stand straight up
I saw that screw and was hoping he would say something about it. Pretty impressive
@@gregmelanson7972
It would of been nice if he said something but I don't think he seen it. It takes skill to make magic the way he did
I'm glad someone else caught that. It distracted me from what was going on haha
Great ending: Master Lo.... THAT explains everything!
How sad that MasterLock couldn't leave well enough alone.
Wouldn't be a Bosnian bill teardown without SOME thing spring loaded flying off in a random direction... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Record shows @ 7:00.
Slo-Mo hindsight spied the spring that did it.
We know how he dreads those.
I bought a new American puck lock and used its cylinder to outfit the 2500 I was working on. The cylinder has small differences. The length and design. The 2500 series and alike have flat backs. If you set the cylinder housing down on its face without the cylinder core in and put a ruler on top of the cylinder hole, the axis is perpendicular to the body, and totally flat. The newer models have a literal cleft at the back of the cylinder housing. To act as a ward preventing full rotation of the cylinder. I don't remember how the retainer clip accounts for it to hold the cylinder, but the back of the new American cylinders with that raised edge has to be ground down or cut accordingly to accommodate the old cylinder core which is shorter, to be proper for the cylinder port in the puck with the cam and backplate
I am only 14 and kinda good for a beginner I really enjoy lock picking 😍
When that first screw landed upright
😳
Great video and really cool lock
The other night was a sad night. I had to take a grinder to my Enforcer padlock because my key had gone missing and that unfortunately means my kingpin lock is now without a key as well. Might be sending them your way. And maybe make an upgrade to the protec II padlock and kingpin lock.
I have a 6 pin American padlock, it’s the most difficult pin tumbler lock in my collection.
Is it me or are you picking the key pins...LOL just kidding looked like it! Great video thanks Bill!!
Killer lock !!! Thanks for the video 😁
it looks like even with a halfway reasonable amount of slack, you can get those screws with a flat screwdriver for narrow spaces. Great pinning is one thing, but just having the tool to take it appart in with your auto wrenches is another.
A nice piece of quality history there
If you loan it to me, it won't come back. Lol. She's a beautiful old lock. Good picking, it done well for an old timer. 😀🍺🖐🇦🇺
Good job!
Did you have any extra parts left when you put it back together?
Not this time, but sometimes...😀
I would like to see a video of putting a lock back together.
Keep it up!
Anyone know how old this lock is? Can't find that info anywhere
experience has taught me that in a 50/50 situation, i will be wrong 90% of the time.
That's a GREAT line ( I think
I'm going to steal ,,, er I mean ... borrow it )
Are steel security pins available anywhere for current American/masterlock locks?
Not that I know of.
@@bosnianbill too bad. I don’t guess it makes much difference in locksport, but for everyday locks it might help beef up security. Probably not worth the time though I guess. 🤷🏻♂️
5:56 - How did you do that, and then miss it with the next three screws you threw into the tray?
10/10 for skill, and 10/10 for cool.
It's like watching a lock dentist.
I like the sound of steel pins, but would they be more susceptible to weather than brass?
Do the screws on the back plate compromise security of the lock?
A puck lock like this one is supposed to be used with the back plate flat against the door with no access to the back plate. Under those conditions, it won't compromise security. To completely remove each screw with an angled hex key, you'll need more slack in the hasp and pin than I think is possible.
How about picking it in its operating position? That would make a tough lock even tougher.
Ah, good old quality of back in the day.
With that locking bar. Could it be pulled with a strong magnet? Unsure what its made of.
really cool lock
************ is the locking bar magnetic ***************
I wonder if a super strong magnet could actuate the locking bar.
Locking bar? What locking bar? You can stop wondering... This is a case of understanding how a lock works can work in your favor. Take the time to look at other videos showing how these locks actually work and you'll see that it contains a brass (non-magnetic) core and actuator. Also, what do you mean by "super strong magnet"? Like in a magnetic rail gun? Or perhaps the electromagnetic pulse generated by a nuclear detonation? THAT kind of "super strong"?
_Crowd chants_
"RAT--YOKE
RAT--YOKE
RAT--YOKE..."
Where can I find steal pins like that for the American locks?
Bill. Super Novice Question Here. Do all locks use the 'same' pins ... or ... do the pins differ from brand to brand?
@@peterkelley6344 pins come in different sizes
It looks like today is fumble fingers day. :)
Ok bill, considering the core adapter sleeve and steel pins fully populated, oh and the anti-crunch springs, are you sure that your friend hasn't put a better core in this lock? Id be suspicious
So, being that it's Thursday the 4th, is this the Wednesday or Friday video?
Since the beginning of the year I've been publishing on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. The four videos per week was KILLING me.
is this another lock from sweden?
Ok great job
Why is it ALWAYS the second screwdriver? Is it a cosmic law?
Reminds me of the old Twilight Zone episode where the coin lands on it's edge.
That was probably before Masterlock purchased or ruined American Lock
Bill, it's a pretty sad state of affairs when a company that supposedly hired machinists couldn't figure out how to machine stainless steel.
As anyone with a manufacturing background knows, mass produced parts aren't turned one piece at a time. These puck would have been part of a large rod that was fed into an automated lathe and had the front face cut first, then a final cutoff tool to part the remains.
A first year metal shop student could have figured that out.
I can't say I'm a collector, but a person that likes quality manufactured items. I may or may not own a few Junkunc Brothers locks as well as a ample supply of pre Master Lock ownership, American 700's.
Early stainless steel used a different formulation of chromium and steel compared to modern stainless it was a pain to machine on mass since if your speeds and feeds were off at all it would gouge the surface instead of cleanly milling its the same if the tool was dulled at all
@@Bobis32
Sorry, not even close. This lock would have been manufactured sometime in the late 1970's or early 1980's. The stainless steel of choice would have been 301 or 303 for it's easy maintainability. I doubt that they use 409/409M or 410 stainless (the same materials used to produce stainless steel firearms)
Any machine operator with more than basic understanding of machining would have started the skim pass, and dialed the rotational speed up or down to improve on the surface finish.
I'm not a machinist by trade, but worked in a department producing prototypes and limited production items. IMO the only super alloy that can be difficult to machine would be Hastelloy 276 or possibly Inconel 625, but both of those alloys would cost more for the raw stock than what this lock sold for new.
@@gungadinn have you ever used HSS cutters on a lathe or are you accustomed to tungsten carbide, in my experience HSS leaves marring on the surface of 301 stainless(i mostly machined brass which is soft so i hadnt invested in carbides yet when i started doing stainless steel)
@@Bobis32
By HSS you referring to cobalt tooling. 3/8x3/8x3" The answer is yes I have. I will sometimes use them in a fly cutter on a Bridgeport.
You want to sharpen them with a small radius for the cutting surface, with a 10 degree relief cut. Crank down on the set screws retaining the cutter to the tool post. Lock down the carriage or saddle or you will get chatter.
When cutting stainless, a heavy weight cutting fluid works (Moly-Dee comes to mind), but little beats flood cooling for keeping the heat out and flushing the chip. For a cutting lube that is much easier to clean up, a product called Boe-Lube (the pink color) is a waxy type product that can be used for drilling, tapping, surface machining, and O-ring installation. MSC sells both of these products. If I had to purchase just one, the Boe-Lube would be it.
Just wondering, was that actuator tightly tied to the core end or could it rotate on its own if the spring loaded bar were out of the way via a magnet?
Nm, just rewatched and it was locked to the have round end of the core.
Love it
must have been made before masterjoke got them...
Quick question, Bill, Do you actually go out to pick locks for somebody? I mean, do you do this for a living or just a hobby?
yay .... nice :)
Ah, the good old days! When men were men, women were women, and locks were actually secure.
@@junkman8742 Yes, that's very important to remember. Because if your horse has a bird's nest in its mane, simply sprinkle baker's yeast on the horse.
For yeast is yeast, and nest is nest, and never the mane shall tweet.
It's always your last choice because after you find it you quit looking.
Basically you can't melt this one now.
Every time a lock company gets bought up by a vulture capitalist, the number of pins decreases and the pins and pinning become simplified, and the lock becomes crap security because more pins, complex pins, complex pinning, is all money, money and money. I'm positive if the money guy had his full say we'd be paying $300 for a twist tie....a used twist tie, but in a fancy box with lots of flash and endless web ads on UA-cam.
So... vintage Americans were built to be good.
Sure don't make 'em like they used to.
Bill, could a M1903 Springfield (a vintage American rifle) do damage to a Master Lock? (Even if it probably can't, the rifle preferred by Chesty Puller deserves a shot at a Master!)
That is bad as hell. I wish I had gotten into lock picking sooner. I had an American 1100 back in the 90s. I wish I had it now.
Am I the only one that said F*%$#&when that spring left frame?
Thats not old enough,its from 90s ,i have one from the 80s and its much simpler but tougher.
"This is a loaner lock" 🔒pick pick... " we got an open, 🔓let's take it apart" PING! 🤣
They cheap out on pins to save 10 cents of manufacturing costs, but lose out far more on sales because of destroying their credibility and security. The policy makes no sense whatsoever, unless you're a corporate bean-counter.
Too bad it's all about maximizing profits and not making quality stuff anymore...
The one Dislike has to be from American.
If you want to ruin a lock company sell it to master lock
666 views
"It's always my last choice", well yeah, if you choose right the first time then you won't make another choice, therefore it is always your last choice.
That first screw taken out and thrown onto the tray landed and stayed upright.. bill, you doing trick videos now? Ha
I have this same lock on my garage door. glad to see it's a quality lock.