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How much FASTER is the Phearable Stage 4 Tune (Ethanol)? // 10th Gen (2018-2022) Honda Accord
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- Опубліковано 17 лис 2022
- 0-60mph Test comparing the Phearable Stage 4 ECU tune to the Phearable Stage 3 ECU tune! How much quicker 0-60mph does Phearable's ethanol (E85) tune make our 2019 Honda Accord 2.0 project car? Using a 30-35% ethanol mixture (E85), along with our current mods that include other power / performance mods such as the KTUNER, PRL HVI (air intake), Mishimoto Intercooler, and PRL HV Downpipe (PRL Catted Downpipe), and Eibach springs. The Phearable Stage 4 adds a nice increase in horsepower and torque, coupled with cool temperatures, and sticky summer only high-performance Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires in a wider 265 footprint, we find out how much our 0-60 acceleration runs improved compared to the Phearable Stage 3 and KTuner Stage 2 tunes. Is the Phearable Stage 4 made for the 10th Gen Honda Accord (2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022) using ethanol (E85) worth it? Looking for ways to gain horsepower on the (2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022) Honda Accord 2.0 or 1.5 turbocharged cars - this video / channel will give you the information you need to help you make an informed decision regarding the best mods for your 10th gen Honda Accord 2.0 or Accord 1.5 project car! Next up on our Honda Accord's modification journey - custom ECU tune (IMW or Phearable), bigger FK8 Civic Type R turbo, PRL P600, PRL P700, or MHI Stage 2 turbo upgrade? You can help decide what is tested...
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Congrats on achieving 0-60 in under 5 seconds. Im curious to see whats next for the accord!
I wish it was under 4 seconds 😉. We’ll see if a custom tune can squeeze out anymore power, then we’re most likely onto a bigger turbo 👍
@@TheLemonFactor i meant under 5 haha 🤣. Let me edit that, i just got out of work it was a long day.
Hopefully you have the weekend off - take care 😁...and thank you for supporting the channel.
And at high elevation! Come down to Florida at sea level and you'd probably be closer to mid 4's.
I’d love to see what it can do at sea-level 🤔
Wow she’s quick!
She feels smooth too 😀
@@TheLemonFactor she looks good as well with those 18’s 👍👍 excited to see what lies ahead 😅😅
Thank you! I like the new wheel setup too. Unfortunately, I had to swap them out for the winter 😕
The fact this car is reaching into the 4 sec 0-60s is awesome for what it is and what little is done lol
Totally agree! 😁👍
Prolly would be close to 3-3.5 secs at sea level
That would be something, but I’d guess maybe 0.5sec faster at sea-level 🤔🤷♂️
Thanks again for beating the crap out of that poor thing for our benefit! Now that they stopped production of the 2.0t in the Accord.. these videos I think will blow up in the future with views as these cars become slightly affordable. Also as far as a custom tune.. yes! BUT me personally would love to see how different Turbo's perform with the current mods. 2 things tho.. testing apples to apples with different turbo's will be a hell of a pain! And also... I'm guessing you will need a custom tune regardless, even with the type R turbo 🤷♂️. Thanks again! Can't wait to see more! You almost have me sold on that intercooler.. currently 1600 miles and only mod is phearable s3.
You can’t go wrong with an upgraded Intercooler 👍. While there’s not a ton of turbo upgrades to choose from, there’s enough to make the decision of which one difficult 🤔
@The Lemon Factor! LLC right! And I've not done my research other than knowing the type R turbo from a Honda dealership runs around $1600.. not sure what else is needed to bolt it up.. depending on that it may not be worth it for the small size upgrade you get.. but I have no idea cost or installation process for the other "larger" options either. 🤔 expensive decision at the very least
Most upgrade turbos will require at least the same modifications as the Type R turbo.
@@delpsdayoff3372 at how many miles did you tuned yours?
Love seeing the data. Solid content!
Thank you, Stu!
I got a 2019 touring 2.0 with prl v2 intake, Borla catback, k tuner on 93, and my prl intercooler is on its way but with only those mods I ran a 4.9 yesterday on stock tires (cooper cs5 touring) and I was spinning! Definitely could do better! Next is prl charge pipes, e-85 flex, prl inlet blanket, prl turbo blanket, prl front pipe, prl hfl cat, mounts, and finally a bigger turbo (idk which one yet)
Nice! What altitude are you at?
@@TheLemonFactor I’m at 702 in IL.
Lucky 😉
I’d love to see a custom tune and some significant weight reduction. Great video though, love your content. I have an accord as well and have just begun modding it.
Thank you! A custom tune is definitely coming 😉
Custom tune isnt always better especially if its from someone who isnt familiar with the platform.
Case in point; my FK8 was custom tune by a very reputable performance shop with years of experiences on Honda mostly B and old K series engine and made 370 bhp on 93 octane, however after further review it was determined that Knock Sensitivity was turned way down which is not a good thing because I was getting up to 4 degress of knock all over the place. Furthermore, I found out that the ignition timing was more aggressive than it needed to be as well as the MAF scale was customized.
Pherable tune I ran was an OTS with some datalog reviewed made more power and torque with ZERO knock.
TLDR: an OTS tune from a repurtable tune with extensive knowledge on the platform is always better than a custom dyno tune from a tuner whom isnt familar; more power isnt always better if it means the engine eats itself every time you go WOT.
That's fast AF for stock turbo! I wonder what that miles per hour would be in the quarter mile you're probably up to around 104-107mph in this 🌡️
I really want to test it out on the track. Unfortunately, it will have to wait until Spring, but it does feel quick 😁👍
So you basically made it fast a bmw 335 stage 1 ? What is the top end with stage 4? And how is a stage 4 tune cost ?
She's quick! And at altitude
I was pleasantly surprised 😮 😁👍
Excellent video
Thank you, Christopher! 👍
Sub 5 to 60 in Colorado is fast af. Nice!!!
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This is truly incredible. Awesome results!
Are you ever worried about engine damage from using ethanol?
I was just as impressed. No, I’m not too concerned as I’m keeping the E% relatively low, and will not be using it on a regular basis.
What's there to worry about? I've been running full E85 on old cars.
Thanks!
Thank you, Gregory! Your support is greatly appreciated 😁👍
Can you please do 0-100 I have a 2022 2.0 10 speed and want to see what the top end looks like ungoverned and tuned . Please cause u do all highway and that’s what matters to me
Looking to install an upgraded turbo within the next couple weeks 🤷♂️
Would love to see big turbo!
Which one would you like to see?
I wanna know one thing..... When are you going to swap out the stock turbo for a type R turbo?? I'm waiting for that journey my dude, awsome vids!!
I do plan on upgrading the turbo, although it may not be a Type R turbo 🤔🤷♂️
@@TheLemonFactor Is it a bigger or better performing turbo compared to the type r?
I haven’t decided on one, but have been narrowing it down 😉
@@elvisrodriguez2189most ppl use mitsubishi, garrett turbos
How did you get your infotainment to have a sort of darkmode on the home screen? also love your videos
Thanks, appreciate the support Timmy! Not sure what I did with the screen as it’s always been like this. What’s your screen look like?
When are you going to add a bbk? :) those wheels and tires looks awesome!
A BBK would look great under those wheels 🤔
@@TheLemonFactor yes indeed. 27won has a complete set for the front.I have the same color as you, wondering if you were to get it what color would you get, they have orange red and black
Red always looks sharp! Orange would be unique 🤔
Let’s go!!!🎉❤
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Have you thought of getting a CTR Helical LSD for your accord? It's pretty plug and play with the 2.0T accord, just need about $200 in spacers, bearings, and bolts. I'm getting mine put in next week...
I'd love to hear hot the install goes, and what you think of the CTR LSD on your Honda Accord. If you could, please keep me informed. Good luck!
@@TheLemonFactor will do! I got the LSD from a shop in Canada for about $500 without the final drive gear. Ballade did the same thing as I'm doing but WITH the CTR final drive. ua-cam.com/video/XeS4yhT5qHk/v-deo.html If you use the CTR final drive, you need an oil pump gear too. It's about $1,000 more to do it that way, but you get CTR gearing for gear 1-4 going that route. I can barely keep traction as is, didn't need lower gearing for the first 4 gears...
This other guy did exactly what I'm doing I think. It's a really great walk through. ua-cam.com/video/7rQqudTCxqE/v-deo.html
Got my car back with the CTR LSD. I turned off the traction control with my Flash Pro, but it still is a noticable difference in traction. The car does do a little torque steering, even with a sway bar, but the traction is night and day than before. At stage 2 Hondata, it would lose traction at wide open throttle anywhere above 3k rpms. Now it just pulls. Even if I hit some gravel patches, it still goes forward instead of just loosing all momentum.
I'm not sure if the differential is the same in an auto as a 6MT, but it was a very simple, direct bolt on with the 6MT.
It would be great if the CTR LSD fit the 10 Auto Accord 🤤. Thanks for following up, enjoy the new found traction 👍
can u removed the back seats, n spare tire n remove as much weight from the car as possible and then do the retest for 0 to 60 again? that would help alot
Checkout the channel to see where we are now with our project car - we’ve since upgraded the turbo to an FK8 Hybrid 👍😁
@@TheLemonFactor ok sir
Time for a front pipe!!! 😈
Probably not… if the downpipe didn’t add much, doubt the front pipe would do anything 🤷♂️
That’s awesome. Is there a noticeable difference between phearable stage 3 and phearable stage 4. Does it feel faster running 36% ethanol?
Yes, it is noticeable. Did you see the video where I dyno test the Phearable Stage 4 - I show the comparison to the dyno graph of the Phearable Stage 3 👍
50 degrees, in my dreams! Now, what kind of mileage for daily driver?
We’ll, it was 8* this morning 🥶
That's pretty good considering no boost by gear and 5600ft elevation.
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I want to tune my 2.0t but it has 65k miles and I'm worried about the longevity of the motor and stock turbo after it's been tuned since it's my daily driver
I have practically same miles. Don't sweat it. It's a honda
I bought my 18 touring used with 60k, have put 30k hard miles on it, 0 issues on stage 3 with half a gallon of e and 93 pump
Please try a muffler and redentor delete it helps the turbo breath out better
Maybe with a bigger turbo, but if we saw minimal gains from the freer flowing downpipe, then I doubt we’ll have any with a resonator and muffler delete 🤷♂️
A Bigger Turbo 👌
Nice!! I got the exact same time of 4.94 0-60!! Lol. I’m glad you’re enjoying it….so much you bit your lip 😂 next is the 1/8 and 1/4 mile time? Also what made you go with 36% ethanol? I always kept mine at 29-30.
I think you mentioned your time in a previous video - when I got that time, I thought it sounded familiar 😁😉. Phearable and KTUNER recommend between 30-35%, so I was trying to stay within that, but off a tad 🤷♂️
I believe he is limited to 91 octane.. (maybe I'm wrong) so then 36 is probably just right
What benefits, if any, could catless downpipes and straight pipe all the way give you(titanium exhaust)? What do you think of a bigger turbo? Is there a reliable enough build for this to be a daily with a bigger turbo?
I don’t think you’d see significant gains on a stock turbo. Based off of our dyno test if the downpipe, it doesn’t appear that the stock exhaust is a big restriction. Now going to a bigger turbo and more boost is a different story. I do think with a conservative tune, including reasonable boost levels, you can build a reliable daily driver 👍
Will you be selling this accord after you done with the project test because will love to buy it with all the tuneup done on it I’m really serious
I’m still really enjoying the Honda Accord. 😁I don’t think I’ll be selling it anytime soon.
Hey Chad, I like those rims. Can you provide the link where I can get them and the size, please.
Thank you. I'm very happy with them. You can checkout this video, and there are links in the description to the manufacturer website, as well as where I purchased them from..ua-cam.com/video/j8nFEikxxnQ/v-deo.html
What would you use for a tune on a stock 18 2.0t touring 10 speed auto?
I recommend the KTUNER… Single BEST Performance Mod to go FAST!!! // (2018+) 10th Gen Honda Accord
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How's the MPG with the tune?
It is less with using E, but even more so, because it’s so much fun laying into it 😁
I’ve noticed you get more boost and you’re at a higher rpm when you’re launching. I have everything but your downpipe and I don’t think it’s that. I know with the pherable stage 4 you can’t change a lot but did you change anything at all?
Are you launching in 1st or 2nd gear? Launching in 2nd allows you to brake torque at a slightly higher RPM.
@@TheLemonFactor 2nd gear and I make 3.3lbs of boost. I’ve tried all three traction modes, turned vsa on and off and can’t launch with more than 3.4lbs @ 2500rpm
*advanced vsa
I have a question. Let's say you're running out of gas with the Ethanol sensor, and there is no gas station with ethenol available. Are you required to run it with ethanol? Or can there be times you can use 100% gasoline?
Good question. The tune will adjust to the % of ethanol, including 0%, at which time it will revert to the Phearable Stage 3 tune. You don’t need to be running ethanol all the time 👍
@@TheLemonFactor This is awesome! Thank you so much! Chad!
so you think the only way to get 0-60 times at 5 seconds even or below is with ehtanol?
im currently 5.2 with mine and its full bolt ons, with custom dyno tune, but with pilot sport as 3 + all seasons
I think you can do it without ethanol - I’d be faster if I wasn’t at high-altitude. A good set of sticky summer tires will definitely help 👍
@@TheLemonFactor I appreciate the response. I guess we'll find out I have some Firehawks waiting for spring
What would the pherable stage 4 look like on full stock internals
This is a Phearable Stage 4 tune on stock internals 👍
What spark plugs do u recommend for the stage 3 tune?
I’ve had no reason to replace mine. When going to a bigger turbo and higher boost I’ll probably make the gap a little smaller.
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How often do you drive this car around, and how many miles are on this car? I'm trying to find my middle ground between mods and daily driving ability. Don't want to blow it up pushing it hard.
I don’t want to blow it up either 😟. This is my daily driver.
Bigger turbo, different inlet and custom tune!
But which turbo 🤔
@@TheLemonFactor MHI stage 2 turbo upgrade seems to get 400whp on e25/30. Ive seen a few builds from derek robinson at IMW run those numbers
Dont recommend the type r turbo. You can get 400whp but thats the ceiling
ive seen the p700 and pure turbos being used but i havent looked into them.
One guy in florida is running a pure turbo with some additional mods and states he has 500whp
Pure is an interesting option. I think the question is, do I want top end power, or more power, but trying to minimize the loss of torque lower in the RPMs. 🤷♂️
@@TheLemonFactor p700!
PRL, P700 please
Did you ever perform a bypass on your air valve control solenoid?
No. I have not.
@@TheLemonFactor I was experiencing some pull back at high RPM’s, almost like the traction control was activating even though I had it fully disabled. This bypass fixed the issue, very easy fix.
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Next, bigger turbo then custom tune.
Or see how much a custom tune can squeeze out of the stock turbo first 😉
I wouldn't do the custom tune until you upgrade your turbo.
Aren’t you a little curious how much more can be squeezed out with a custom tune?
Seems like a lot of work/money for less than a second result from stock. I am just a regular 2T Accord owner and am satisfied with my stock setup. I like my warranty and don't want to chance it being voided. I get the feeling that mods just lead to more mods. Kind of like "speed disease". Nicely done presentation.
He's at elevation so it would be far less mods to get under 5s if you aren't at elevation
It’s not for everybody 🤷♂️, but I’m happy with the results 😁👍
Take it to the quarter mile and you will see a huge difference over stock.
Until the k20 c can handle internals…it will always lose