I wonder what would of happened had they not gone to save Her dad and just went straight to mexico what would they have done after the nukes gone off and the machines rised
I mean seriously man. John Connor had It rough. I mean: 1.- He was raised only by his mother, and since a young age was trained to be a warrior. Forced to be a soldier, His mother told him his destiny. 2.-Then his mother was sent to a clinic and he was told, everything his mother taught him was madness. 3.-Finds out his mother was right all along and 2 killing machines are sent to his time, One to protect him, the other to terminate him. 4.-He loses the closest thing he had to a father (The T-800) and believed they prevented judgement day. 5.- His mother dies, after that he went into a depression. 6.-Finds out their sacrifices were in vain. Judgment day is inevitable. 7.- Forms the resistance and goes into war for over 20 years. 8. He is forced to find his father and raise him (i mean imagine knowing you have to raise your own father only to send him into a slaughter, in order to continue existing). 9.-During the final days of the war John shuts down skynet. 10.- John Connor knew his victory was bittersweet, as the terminator had foretold. Soon after, one of the last remaining T-850 units was sent to eliminate him and succeeds. Imagine Knowing all of that and keep on going. Most people would've collapsed with all that pressure. Seriously is just too much for a human being. (That was until Genesis, and well according to one guy replying to this comment, he actually survived the assassination attempt in the comics, meaning that maybe in another timeline he finally won)
Yep. However, John technically survives the T-850 murder attempt if you consider the Salvation Comics Canon as an ending(which I will until a proper sequel is made)
@@juanlaise1059 if a proper sequel is made! I feel like the franchise is dead after dark fate. I hope not, but it seems that way. I love salvation and it feels like that will be the only future war film we will ever get. I am thankful that we have salvation!
I enjoyed this movie, the ending is my favorite part, very creepy and depressing. I love that evil is not destroyed and Connor has to face his destiny. Not a masterpiece like T1 and T2 but still a pretty good movie.
I’ve said this before in another reply, but T3 and salvation seem very similar to the Star Wars prequels in the fact everyone hated them at first but after some shitty sequels everyone started to appreciate them more despite their flaws
"There doesn't have to be a war! We can stop it!" "There's insufficient time." "Well shit, if only we had a _time machine_ that wouldn't be a problem."
At the end of the war Soldier: Sir, some of the terminators were sent back to kill you and your mother and your wife Connor: Well shit not again. Alright send my father and 2 T-800 back to help them Soldier: Sir, didn't you say this has been done for like a shit load of time? Connor: Actually you're right, let's send a strike team back to before they start sending terminators to stop them. Find something to get those Hydrogen fuel cells with us, we're blowing up this place before we even come to blow up this place.
It never gets explained in any of the movies as far as I can remember, but maybe the resistance doesn’t really know how to operate the time machine properly? Like, all they can do is push the launch button and send someone back with the “settings” the machines left it on when they used it last to send a Terminator? If the humans could only REACT by sending someone to the same time a Terminator was already sent to and couldn’t operate the time machine in a way that they can change what time it goes to, that would make a lot of sense and explain the biggest “plot hole” in the entire franchise.
Imagine if they made a Terminator movie with no time travel. It could start before Skynet goes online, then the transition period, and then the nuclear war and reorganization of the human military/resistance.
'Maybe the future has been written. I don't know.' Also T3. Judgment Day is inevitable because WE make our own fate. In the end, fate and free will always intertwine.
It's because the Terminator series must keep going. At the end of T2 they indeed should have shut Skynet down, 'cause the critical component, the chip, has been destroyed. ALL copies of it.
And T1 was a stable time loop, where it was also inevitable. 2 is the contradictory one. Also that is just what the characters believe, no proof that it was true.
@@CST1992 In order for the timelime to exist.... Skynet must create time travel.... Kyle Reese must go back in time and the original terminator must too to create the conditions that get Sarah Connor pregnant with John Connor. In T2 they give hope... but AGAIN in order for John Connor to be born.... T1 must happen. The only problem with T3's scenario is by the time it came out it was like 2003/04 so they delayed Judgement Day to fit the modern day at that point... BUT that should have messed up the timeline. However, aside from that T3 is canon accurate based on the story James Cameron created in 1984. T2 was the most entertaining entry movie wise... but it also represents an ending that doesn't match with the canon T1 story... it contradicts it. T3 results that contradiction.
@travis John gets killed as a kid yes, I think the T800 from T1 that was sent back to kill him actually succed in this timeline, thus forming a different future and instead of john being the one who teachs everyone how to terminate terminators and being the one that forms the resistance. It then becomes someone else and sarah hes mother also no longer matters, instead its some young chick that is the hero. And that part kinda plays out how captain marvel does, shes awesome cause she is awesome and she later learn how awesome she is because of how awesome she is.
@travis They follow their program, if their program says terminate John Conner then they will follow that and largely do not kill others unless they stand in their way of doing so. That said dark fate in my book shits on basically what is good about terminator, and does not help that the new chosen one is a Mary sue just like captain marvel. She does not think she is awesome but later realize that she is awesome, and the way she figures that is out is she is so awesome she figures out that she is awesome because she is awesome. And not because someone took care off them, trained and gave them all the strenghts and values that they would need to be the one who teachs everyone else the same thing that they were taught as they grew up.
@@TheGamingChad.His mission is to protect her at all cost when she is in danger primary objective is to insure her safety is to not obey here orders until she is safe same as John like in T2
I concur. I like the idea that we make our own destinies, hence the quote "There is no fate but what we make for ourselves and then T3 says "yeah, that's horse shit, you have no say in the matter." That's why I didn't like the ending of T3. I would've preferred that T2 changed it for good. I know everyone argues that if the war doesn't happen, John Connor can't be born, but in my opinion, I don't think John Connor would fade away because this isn't Back to the Future. By Terminator's standpoint, I think you could theoretically go back in time and kill your grandfather, but your physical body will not vanish, but the future you came from will no longer exist. And if you went back in time and gave your younger self advice to make yourself rich, you would return to the future and there would be a present version of yourself who is rich, not you. Does that make sense?
WeylandYutaniInc91 Think about when an entire terrorist group gets eliminated, but another new one pops up years later. That’s how Skynet is; this time it grows under a new tech company. As long as a new company advances on the work Cyberdyne left behind(despite wiping it out), Skynet continues on with its intentions. That’s what I got from it.
@@Thejordanenthusiast That's the copout of T3, they took out everything at Cyberdyne and made sure of it, the fact that there was anything left is a ripoff. Don't say another company will just make a different AI like Dark Fate did. Just because Cyberdyne's AI went nuts doesn't mean every AI will.
@@Thejordanenthusiast That's the thing. Even if Cyberdine was stopped, there's someone who will just continue what was started by Cyberdine, because there are people who believe what they're doing, is for the good all. They don't realise that they're creating a genocidal AI that will doom humanity, since they haven't seen the f-up future. The severed arm left in T2 by the T-800 was actually touched upon in Terminator 2 Judgement Day Cybernetic Dawn. While it may not speed up Skynet's development, it still insures Judgement Day is coming. The later on Terminator movies taught us, that humanity is its own worst enemy.
Yes the 2000s where a strong wife was a women who knew her position and perfected it as she should which is polar opposite of today's climate funny huh
@@Josh-99 Yes, just like men knows their position as well. As a father and primary bread-winner of the family. If the father can't(disabled or is just an ass) then their positions switch.
@@Eddie-ui2ev Salvation is alright. One thing I love about is Bryce Dallas Howard as John Conner's wife, she's one of my favorite actresses. Dark Fate isn't all that bad, but really different. Genisys is a bit weird.
@@jaredruff9823 I think Brice Dallas Howard is stunning and a great actress. Salvation is ok but it unlinks itself from the other films and the last two are terrible in my opinion.
@@antares1070 THAT'S different, Batman exists in multiple realities so he SHOULD have multiple actors. In one of the Terminator timelines (Judgment Day-Salvation) John Connor had THREE different actors (Not counting the ones who played him at different ages in Flashbacks and future sequences). Most of John Connor's actors don't make it past ONE movie.
I think, in a way, it's part of a niche, despite its bad reputation. How many movies do you know that has an ultimate end that can't be avoided? The only one I recall is _2012_ based on that Mayan/Aztec ”end of the world” calendar. Though, even that one had a ”happy ending”.
Yeah and what's even worse is that it's completly in contradiction to the first two movies. Heck, why did Future John let Kyle memorize the whole "No Fate" thingy, when everything is about "Fate" in this movie?
@@florianhoppe4159 To be fair I think this is an alternate timeline where this John Connor really thought Skynet was destroyed, unlike the original John Connor who didn't live through the events of part 2.
Terminator: I want Sarah Connor. Terminator 2: I want John Connor. Terminator 3: I want Katherine Brewster and John Connor. Terminators beyond: I want my refund.
This movie has way more emotion and depth than Dark Fate. Tim Miller had 3 sequels and 2 original movies to learn from and make a decent movie, he had so much content and back story, so many characters to explore. He failed on all counts. T3 is a masterpiece in comparison to what he spewed out.
ltj1024 4 minutes and 22 seconds can make a big difference between life and death. Just like how an extra buckshot coulda shot the T-1000 over the railing and into the lava pool....
Even if they did save Katherine's father it was unlikely they could've prevented Skynet's activation, since it was already affecting computer systems worldwide on a dormant level. And since Skynet didn't actually have a central core either....
This seriously looks like a student film where Arnold Schwarzenegger decided to star in for fun and to try and help student future filmmakers with some hands on experience.
Terminator: the apocalypse will happen Terminator 2: we can stop it Terminator 3: the apocalypse will happen Terminator genesys: we can change it...... 🙁🙁
The T850 in this movie kinda acts as the physical embodiment of causality, doing its job to keep the events of this timeline casually keep flowing while the humans are desperately trying to feel like they are in control. I love how he casually mentions her farther about to be killed and a nuclear war that’s about to happen as casually as making plans for brunch on a Sunday 🤣 “She’s gonna kill my father” “There’s a high probability” Me: 🤣 ☠️
Yeah but people hated it because it invalidates the whole message of the first movies. "The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
It’s like the theory that time is immutable. You can try to change the time stream all you want but it will keep correcting itself. Judgement day was inevitable and it was inevitable that John Conner would lead humanity to victory. But he did so because he made it his fate when he could have easily taken his own life.
@@medusalem9485 T2 doesn't actually say that the result of their actions is, only that the future is unknown and now they have hope. The other movies are the ones that declared their actions meant nothing.
@EGarrett01 That's something humans told each other. Machines are probably capable of analyzing potential timeliness and saying "You can try but it probably won't work. This way is better."
“You’re a healthy female of breeding age. It’s irrational to refuse me.” These lines have worked several times for me at the bar. There are some dedicated women out there who want the human race to survive.
@Rumpel Felt Normally I'd support the OP because he already did the sarcastic dating tips bit, but then again he really, _really_ walked into that one.
Looking back on this film after so many years have past, you realise it's not that bad. It's actually a good film - just not as good as the two that came before it.
Considering that both the previous movies premise was fucking up the timeline again and again, I don't know why that's the part that got you concerned lol.
@@lazmanariffsulaiman7569 What in the white hot fuck are you talking about. The first movie established the timeline and T2 stuck to it. T3 says John was 13 during the events of T2. He wasn't. He was 10. John Conner was born in Feb. of 1985, so that would set T2 in 1995. T3 says Sarah died of cancer in 1997 and she lived for 3 years after being diagnosed. That would mean she was diagnosed in 1994, a year before T2. She hadn't been diagnosed with cancer in T2. She was in a psych ward. The filmmakers fucked up the main timeline because they didn't pay attention to what had already been established in the previous two movies. If there's anywhere one should pay close attention to the timeline of events, it's a story about goddamned time travel. Again. What in the hell are you talking about?
3:33 They cut out the scene from the Terminator's perspective, as he calculated that John would not commit suicide. There was this scene in the cinema, it's too bad they cut it out.
@@yurmimgiey2857 I think the reason he corrected him and said “cybernetic organism” was because he was trying to prolong the conversation with him and get him to not kill himself. I’m sure that’s what he was doing.
Conservatives have one joke, and this is it. It’s always some variation of “Did you just assume my gender?!” or “I identify as an attack helicopter!” There’s literally an entire subreddit dedicated to it called r/OneJoke. Please stop. It wasn’t funny 15 years ago when people started using it, and it hasn’t gotten funnier with repetition. It just makes people cringe when they hear it or read it.
This movie was not as bad as it was originally seemed. The fact that Judgement Day was that day made the movie better & the sense of urgency went up big time. Made the movie more enjoyable to watch 💯
This movie is terrible. Also it started the trend of R-rated franchises going to PG for more money. Then you get bloodless movies like Alien Vs predator and Robocop remake that are also terrible
I always wondered how the 3 of them loaded with guns managed to enter the facility which would have been heavily guarded. The security must be sleeping...
@@SoldierOfFate eh, cyberdyne was a civilian technology company, not a military installation. I'm sure Arnie still could have blown his way to the control centre but he didn't, so small little plot hole.
I like that john recognizes there are two timelines and the events that occur in the original timeline are not necessarily destined to occur in his own.
" Nuclear war?!?!??" 😰😱 That line was absolutely and positivity well-deliver by Claire Danes 😍😎👍💯 as it was just so genuine and believable as you can really feel her shock, disbelief, and terror. 2:04
I like how all the terminators in this franchise continually have to correct people and remind them that they're a "cybernetic organism". They just keep reminding people...endlessly. LOL
People have complained before about this version of John Connor being whiny. But think about; this is a guy who has a massive burden ahead of him, one didn’t ask for and doesn’t want. Not to mention he couldn’t have a normal life partly cause his mom was prepping him and partly cause he was hunted. How exactly is he supposed to behave. Plus he’s making another effort to stop billions of lives from being obliterated.
It was cruel to raise him for the sole purpose of leading humanity in a war, and then deny him that purpose. It left him unable to function in normal society after they "stopped" judgement day the first time
The Terminator calculated that the humans were going to stall arguing so that they wouldn't make it out of the blast zones in time, so he changed plans to make sure they went to her father, take a plane, and find shelter in an abandoned bunker.
The reason the terminator changed its "mind" is not because of her, but because it realized that no matter what course of action it takes the end result is inevitable in that John and Kate will end up in that bunker. This also poses a really interesting question about free will and if what we do is automatically determined by some conclusion despite the fact that we think we are "changing" our destinies, but in reality we are doing exactly as we were meant to.
I don't think so. It has to follow her commands, just like the T800 had to follow John's in Terminator 2 even though doing so endangered the core objective (keeping him alive).
You can see where John's coming from and it's part of the reason why I think the actor played this role very well. John is after all, a normal human being like everyone else (well, except with an eventful childhood). The idea of a destiny where he becomes a great military commander amidst a machine-Armageddon WOULD be terrifying to anyone. Imagine someone just telling you one day (with convincing proof) that that's who you are meant to become. I would be terrified and jittery as well, especially if I had seen and gone through what John had. TLDR; The part is very well played IMO.
I remember when people considered this to be the pesky unwanted sequel. Boy were they in for a treat. Looking back now terminator 3 isn’t that bad at all I actually enjoy it, just not as good as the first 2 but it still felt like a solid terminator movie unlike the last 2 we got which felt like some kind of scrapped fan fiction project
It honestly is not the worst Terminator movie out there. If anything, I would have considered it the final ending of The Terminator as a trilogy if there were more sequels to follow after this.
Many people don't like T3 and I see it's weaknesses, but the inevitability of the nuclear war was a strong message and unexpected at this point. It closes well the story of T1 and T2.
Fun and with good moments. Salvation is boring and completely forgettable. But technically "good". Genisys can be silly, but it also serves as entertainment. No comments on Dark Fate.
Something else sort of glossed over is this decision to ignore the terminator's advice ends with them losing all the armaments Sarah left for them and also the loss of the terminator itself, a formidable asset both of offense and defense and a wealth of knowledge. They would have to deal with the T-X still in the long run, who knows how that would alternatively turn out after judgement day...
I so love this scene... katherine gave t850 an order and it responded. It didnt care that john was willing to kill himself.... then the look of shock on connors face lol wtf?!?!
You can tell that under that tough and tactical exterior he was raised with, there was still just a scared man who never wanted any of that future he knew was coming his way.
I remember the feeling of dread I had during this whole movie, and when the Terminator said that Judgment Day is TODAY, I remember it being through the roof. I liked this movie since it came out, and I saw it in theaters when I was 10. Sure, they probably should have stopped after T2, but in hindsight this added a lot more to John’s character by adding his future wife too. And the TX was awesome, very scary. Also, the final scene with John’s speech and the nukes falling was burned into my brain. I do not blame John for being afraid of his destiny at all. I remember feeling sick, similar to when in The Matrix, Neo told Morpheus, “I don’t believe you.”
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"My database does not encompass the dynamics of human pair bonding." - Neither does mine, bro; neither does mine...
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I thought he said peers pounding not pair bonding
I felt that 😂😂😂
@Rumpel Felt I diiiid hahahaha
@@gene3169 peer yeah but same thing whatever
Kate literally JUST learned about terminators like one hour ago. Now she’s learning that the entire worlds only got like three hours left to live
And she’s gets forced into a cave to hide with John as the world almost ends. Plus she just started her period.
@@richworld1979 with no tampons
@@earthsurgery1237 or pads
@@FloridaMan69. just use tissues
She handled it pretty well
Imagine being Kate Brewster in this scene. How did her mind not blow up from so much information lol
Nicholas Chen I think it did.
specially when the world is gonna blow up today.
Her mind itself creates a nuclear explosion and that’s what causes Judgment day to happen
After hearing that her father was a target for the T-X the only thought on her mind was to save him ASAP.
I wonder what would of happened had they not gone to save Her dad and just went straight to mexico what would they have done after the nukes gone off and the machines rised
2:53 The way arnold says "It is your destiny" is just epic.
„Luke, it is your destiny!“. Oh wait, wrong franchise
2:59 Fuck my destiny!
FUCK my destiny. 😥🔫
2:15
It is his *density*
3:10 - I love how T-850 takes the time to correct John despite him threatening to kill himself, lol.
😂
It's seems like Arnold was offended for being called a robot lol
Yep, lol. He’s actually a T-850 in this movie.
Its his attempt at de-escalation.
'Just because I'm a machine doesn't mean I'm a robot!'
I mean seriously man.
John Connor had It rough.
I mean:
1.- He was raised only by his mother, and since a young age was trained to be a warrior. Forced to be a soldier, His mother told him his destiny.
2.-Then his mother was sent to a clinic and he was told, everything his mother taught him was madness.
3.-Finds out his mother was right all along and 2 killing machines are sent to his time, One to protect him, the other to terminate him.
4.-He loses the closest thing he had to a father (The T-800) and believed they prevented judgement day.
5.- His mother dies, after that he went into a depression.
6.-Finds out their sacrifices were in vain. Judgment day is inevitable.
7.- Forms the resistance and goes into war for over 20 years.
8. He is forced to find his father and raise him (i mean imagine knowing you have to raise your own father only to send him into a slaughter, in order to continue existing).
9.-During the final days of the war John shuts down skynet.
10.- John Connor knew his victory was bittersweet, as the terminator had foretold. Soon after, one of the last remaining T-850 units was sent to eliminate him and succeeds.
Imagine Knowing all of that and keep on going.
Most people would've collapsed with all that pressure.
Seriously is just too much for a human being.
(That was until Genesis, and well according to one guy replying to this comment, he actually survived the assassination attempt in the comics, meaning that maybe in another timeline he finally won)
Yep. However, John technically survives the T-850 murder attempt if you consider the Salvation Comics Canon as an ending(which I will until a proper sequel is made)
@@juanlaise1059 if a proper sequel is made! I feel like the franchise is dead after dark fate. I hope not, but it seems that way. I love salvation and it feels like that will be the only future war film we will ever get. I am thankful that we have salvation!
Well, at least he had a loving wife at his side in this never ending war to relieve his trying time (t3 and salvation)
@@juanlaise1059 salvation comic is canon. The timeline of T3 is the same of Salvation and the comic.
The franchise should have ended at terminator 2, everything made total sense up to that point. Everything after that was just a fucking mess
I enjoyed this movie, the ending is my favorite part, very creepy and depressing. I love that evil is not destroyed and Connor has to face his destiny. Not a masterpiece like T1 and T2 but still a pretty good movie.
So underrated. It just had the unfair task of following T2.
I’ve said this before in another reply, but T3 and salvation seem very similar to the Star Wars prequels in the fact everyone hated them at first but after some shitty sequels everyone started to appreciate them more despite their flaws
I wish they made sequels to T3, I was actually interested to see more of this storyline and these actors together again.
The ending was incredible! I never understand, why people hated it. It was the most logical ending.
@@tommydarko1984 salvation dude
"There doesn't have to be a war! We can stop it!"
"There's insufficient time."
"Well shit, if only we had a _time machine_ that wouldn't be a problem."
At the end of the war
Soldier: Sir, some of the terminators were sent back to kill you and your mother and your wife
Connor: Well shit not again. Alright send my father and 2 T-800 back to help them
Soldier: Sir, didn't you say this has been done for like a shit load of time?
Connor: Actually you're right, let's send a strike team back to before they start sending terminators to stop them. Find something to get those Hydrogen fuel cells with us, we're blowing up this place before we even come to blow up this place.
It never gets explained in any of the movies as far as I can remember, but maybe the resistance doesn’t really know how to operate the time machine properly? Like, all they can do is push the launch button and send someone back with the “settings” the machines left it on when they used it last to send a Terminator?
If the humans could only REACT by sending someone to the same time a Terminator was already sent to and couldn’t operate the time machine in a way that they can change what time it goes to, that would make a lot of sense and explain the biggest “plot hole” in the entire franchise.
Imagine if they made a Terminator movie with no time travel. It could start before Skynet goes online, then the transition period, and then the nuclear war and reorganization of the human military/resistance.
Time to call Doc Emmitt Brown & Marty McFly.
@@connor3288 Like "Rogue One" for the Terminator franchise.
That'd be pretty boss!
Scary knowing you can do nothing to stop the future.
Xd
But Proto!
@Leigh Jordon Wrong!
@Leigh Jordon I’m copying what Arnold during T-1 in the gun shop would like to do a thread of the scene?
the progression of time is imminent
T2: "There's no fate but what we make."
T3: "Judgment Day is inevitable."
'Maybe the future has been written. I don't know.'
Also T3.
Judgment Day is inevitable because WE make our own fate. In the end, fate and free will always intertwine.
The human race will destroy itself eventually.
It's because the Terminator series must keep going.
At the end of T2 they indeed should have shut Skynet down, 'cause the critical component, the chip, has been destroyed. ALL copies of it.
And T1 was a stable time loop, where it was also inevitable. 2 is the contradictory one. Also that is just what the characters believe, no proof that it was true.
@@CST1992 In order for the timelime to exist.... Skynet must create time travel.... Kyle Reese must go back in time and the original terminator must too to create the conditions that get Sarah Connor pregnant with John Connor. In T2 they give hope... but AGAIN in order for John Connor to be born.... T1 must happen. The only problem with T3's scenario is by the time it came out it was like 2003/04 so they delayed Judgement Day to fit the modern day at that point... BUT that should have messed up the timeline. However, aside from that T3 is canon accurate based on the story James Cameron created in 1984. T2 was the most entertaining entry movie wise... but it also represents an ending that doesn't match with the canon T1 story... it contradicts it. T3 results that contradiction.
Connor: Im a human being.. im not some damn robot.
T850: ..... cybernetic organism..
Connor: whatever.
Danny Phantom lmao
@@phantomwraith1984 omfg hpe fucking right you are !!!!! That shit is crazy
not to mention “2 hours 53 minutes” haha. but then again, any amount of time to prepare to survive a nuclear war is crucial
The terminator was sensitive to semantics.
Terminator 10 (2050)
Connor: im not some damn robot
T850: did you just assume my model?
Never tough to say this but after T5 and T6 the more i watch T3 and T4 the more i respect them.
Rather watch SCC. That show was actually good and advanced the Terminator lore. (And of course FOX canceled it prematurely......)
@travis John gets killed as a kid yes, I think the T800 from T1 that was sent back to kill him actually succed in this timeline, thus forming a different future and instead of john being the one who teachs everyone how to terminate terminators and being the one that forms the resistance. It then becomes someone else and sarah hes mother also no longer matters, instead its some young chick that is the hero. And that part kinda plays out how captain marvel does, shes awesome cause she is awesome and she later learn how awesome she is because of how awesome she is.
@travis If i recall correctly then yes, just a different time line.
@travis They follow their program, if their program says terminate John Conner then they will follow that and largely do not kill others unless they stand in their way of doing so. That said dark fate in my book shits on basically what is good about terminator, and does not help that the new chosen one is a Mary sue just like captain marvel. She does not think she is awesome but later realize that she is awesome, and the way she figures that is out is she is so awesome she figures out that she is awesome because she is awesome. And not because someone took care off them, trained and gave them all the strenghts and values that they would need to be the one who teachs everyone else the same thing that they were taught as they grew up.
poor you, watch TSCC
The Terminator: Dark Fate is inevitable. John Connor: Nooooo
LOL
At least he gets killed soon after so he is spared this dark fate.
It does suck that John Conner got killed off, but Dark Fate had its moments. I'm just a casual fan of Terminator.
@@jaredruff9823 Same.
BRAYRN,RAUNSAY
I love that T 800 did his mission to ensure the safety of his subject, he was rig down for them to lead into the nuclear shelter
T-850!!!!!!!
I love that part when catherine begs t850 to save her father, she didnt realize it was programmed to follow her orders from her future self.
Which she didn’t realize yet.
when he picked her up in the beginning and she told him to let her go he didn't follow her orders 🤔
@@TheGamingChad.His mission is to protect her at all cost when she is in danger primary objective is to insure her safety is to not obey here orders until she is safe same as John like in T2
Wouldn't visiting Skynet put both of them in danger though? Which it did? It kinda contradicts the argument.@@masonmyers31st69
@@masonmyers31st69this. The T-X was still in the killzone, so Arnie had to make sure that she was safe
All John Connor wants is escape his terrifying destiny and forge his own fate.
He was until T: Salvation, he wants no part of all this just wanted to be normal
I concur. I like the idea that we make our own destinies, hence the quote "There is no fate but what we make for ourselves and then T3 says "yeah, that's horse shit, you have no say in the matter." That's why I didn't like the ending of T3. I would've preferred that T2 changed it for good. I know everyone argues that if the war doesn't happen, John Connor can't be born, but in my opinion, I don't think John Connor would fade away because this isn't Back to the Future. By Terminator's standpoint, I think you could theoretically go back in time and kill your grandfather, but your physical body will not vanish, but the future you came from will no longer exist. And if you went back in time and gave your younger self advice to make yourself rich, you would return to the future and there would be a present version of yourself who is rich, not you. Does that make sense?
WeylandYutaniInc91 Think about when an entire terrorist group gets eliminated, but another new one pops up years later. That’s how Skynet is; this time it grows under a new tech company.
As long as a new company advances on the work Cyberdyne left behind(despite wiping it out), Skynet continues on with its intentions. That’s what I got from it.
@@Thejordanenthusiast That's the copout of T3, they took out everything at Cyberdyne and made sure of it, the fact that there was anything left is a ripoff.
Don't say another company will just make a different AI like Dark Fate did. Just because Cyberdyne's AI went nuts doesn't mean every AI will.
@@Thejordanenthusiast That's the thing. Even if Cyberdine was stopped, there's someone who will just continue what was started by Cyberdine, because there are people who believe what they're doing, is for the good all. They don't realise that they're creating a genocidal AI that will doom humanity, since they haven't seen the f-up future. The severed arm left in T2 by the T-800 was actually touched upon in Terminator 2 Judgement Day Cybernetic Dawn. While it may not speed up Skynet's development, it still insures Judgement Day is coming. The later on Terminator movies taught us, that humanity is its own worst enemy.
T850 CPU: *explain prime directives
Kate: You have to save my father!
T850 CPU: *processing bullshit...*
Lol
General Brewster was pivotal in fighting Skynet. I understand the Terminator reconsidering.
@@elgusaniiiodeljuego6823 if T850 were a human, he'd be scratching his head then giving a long sigh.
@@elgusaniiiodeljuego6823 also the fact that he's programmed to obey her, not John
Cmon bro you know damn well if you were her you would do the same😭😭😭
If Kate Brewster was considered part of the Terminator lore, it would make some sense of why John did not orchestrate the Resistance alone.
He had a very supportive wife
endasmu kobong
Yes the 2000s where a strong wife was a women who knew her position and perfected it as she should which is polar opposite of today's climate funny huh
@@tylercouture216 "...a woman who knew her position..."
...Wut?
@@Josh-99 Yes, just like men knows their position as well. As a father and primary bread-winner of the family. If the father can't(disabled or is just an ass) then their positions switch.
I really love this film. This scene is so good.
Agreed
I think this is my third favorite Terminator film.
First two are Judgement Day and the first Terminator.
@@jaredruff9823 yes, I agree
@@Eddie-ui2ev Salvation is alright. One thing I love about is Bryce Dallas Howard as John Conner's wife, she's one of my favorite actresses.
Dark Fate isn't all that bad, but really different.
Genisys is a bit weird.
@@jaredruff9823 I think Brice Dallas Howard is stunning and a great actress.
Salvation is ok but it unlinks itself from the other films and the last two are terrible in my opinion.
"I'm a human being, not some goddamn robot"
"Cybernetic organism"
"Whatever!" 🤣🤣🤣
That was priceless!! 😂🤣
Am I the only one who has always loved this movie wtf!
No dude, you're not the only one. I grew up with this movie, it's my favorite terminator
It wasn't my favorite but it gets way too much unwarranted hate.
@@E-D-i-T-0-R I grewed up with this movie as well
This one introduced me to the Terminator franchise
Claire Danes 😍
John Connor was played by WAY too many actors.
Trase Gorsuch What about the guy in your profile pic?
@@antares1070 THAT'S different, Batman exists in multiple realities so he SHOULD have multiple actors. In one of the Terminator timelines (Judgment Day-Salvation) John Connor had THREE different actors (Not counting the ones who played him at different ages in Flashbacks and future sequences). Most of John Connor's actors don't make it past ONE movie.
Sadly just the actor of Salvation won respect in his role
To, Two and Too. Of all the options, you actually chose the right one. I'm amazed, you don't see that two often
@@HokaYona lol.
The concept of an inevitable fate is pretty depressing actually. If only the film could live up to its ending and the core theme.
I think, in a way, it's part of a niche, despite its bad reputation. How many movies do you know that has an ultimate end that can't be avoided?
The only one I recall is _2012_ based on that Mayan/Aztec ”end of the world” calendar. Though, even that one had a ”happy ending”.
That's why I don't believe in fate
Yeah and what's even worse is that it's completly in contradiction to the first two movies. Heck, why did Future John let Kyle memorize the whole "No Fate" thingy, when everything is about "Fate" in this movie?
@@florianhoppe4159 To be fair I think this is an alternate timeline where this John Connor really thought Skynet was destroyed, unlike the original John Connor who didn't live through the events of part 2.
@@generalgrievous3423 Yeah, but yet lot's of the movie's story felt kinda forced. SCC really did a better job here.
Arnold is absolutely Superb, in this role.
Thoroughly underrated, if you can imagine it.
OUTSTANDING!
‘......or so much for the great John Conor. Because your future, my destiny, I don't want any part of it, I never did.'
That line really gets me.
And then terminator dark fate grant that wish
Terminator: I want Sarah Connor.
Terminator 2: I want John Connor.
Terminator 3: I want Katherine Brewster and John Connor.
Terminators beyond: I want my refund.
lol
Don’t get it
Dude, c'mon.. Salvation was good.
LOL. Funniest comment ever.
Salvation at least did something original.
"I'm not programmed to follow your orders" I'll try that line on my girlfriend
Well, good luck with that bro!
I dont have a girlfriend but ill buy that for a dollar.
By your girlfriend you mean your hand ?
🤣🤣🤣🤣 try that but always remember you are not a cybernetic organism.
@@kbosati 🤣🤣🤣
At 0:36 I love how he just lists her dad while emotionlessly walking past her
The "who is your daddy and what does he do" reference was probably the part I liked the most about this movie.
I love how the Terminator calls his bluff.
This movie has way more emotion and depth than Dark Fate. Tim Miller had 3 sequels and 2 original movies to learn from and make a decent movie, he had so much content and back story, so many characters to explore. He failed on all counts. T3 is a masterpiece in comparison to what he spewed out.
Had they quit argument here, her father would've been saved.
ltj1024 4 minutes and 22 seconds can make a big difference between life and death. Just like how an extra buckshot coulda shot the T-1000 over the railing and into the lava pool....
Frank Castle she can barely walk, the dudes a shape shifter and a fast one and don't forget about her own safety
lol true
She could have thrown the gun at him
Even if they did save Katherine's father it was unlikely they could've prevented Skynet's activation, since it was already affecting computer systems worldwide on a dormant level. And since Skynet didn't actually have a central core either....
"Some goddamn robot..."
".... .... Cybernetic Organism.."
Whatever
Thanos: I am inevitable.
Judgment Day: Hold my beer.
Accurate. Indeed you can travel in time and save the world from Thanos.
Terminator: and I am iron man?
This seriously looks like a student film where Arnold Schwarzenegger decided to star in for fun and to try and help student future filmmakers with some hands on experience.
best student film ever made then
The camera work is so fuckin' boring.
@@idgafanymore69 ّّظطظ،،،
@Rumpel Felt Some do it right, others do too much.
@Rumpel Felt Indeed
Terminator: the apocalypse will happen
Terminator 2: we can stop it
Terminator 3: the apocalypse will happen
Terminator genesys: we can change it......
🙁🙁
Dark fate: Apocalypse... to the franchise
@@thecommentguy9380 lol
😤
Salvation: "it has already happened"
Dark Fate: Who the hell is destiny? Is she hot? I can date her?
2:40 I guess the NCR will finally have that Nuclear Winter they've been wishing about.
Fallout new vegas 😍
"Truth is, John's fate was rigged from the start."
@@graemejones825 i had a little dig around in your noggin
PA FM woudy
Shahbaz
"your a healthy female of breeding age " I tried this line but without a nuclear world ending apocalypse it came off as threatening
Try your luck now
You’re*
The T850 in this movie kinda acts as the physical embodiment of causality, doing its job to keep the events of this timeline casually keep flowing while the humans are desperately trying to feel like they are in control. I love how he casually mentions her farther about to be killed and a nuclear war that’s about to happen as casually as making plans for brunch on a Sunday 🤣
“She’s gonna kill my father”
“There’s a high probability”
Me: 🤣 ☠️
Yeah but people hated it because it invalidates the whole message of the first movies. "The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
It’s like the theory that time is immutable. You can try to change the time stream all you want but it will keep correcting itself. Judgement day was inevitable and it was inevitable that John Conner would lead humanity to victory. But he did so because he made it his fate when he could have easily taken his own life.
@@medusalem9485 T2 doesn't actually say that the result of their actions is, only that the future is unknown and now they have hope. The other movies are the ones that declared their actions meant nothing.
@EGarrett01 That's something humans told each other. Machines are probably capable of analyzing potential timeliness and saying "You can try but it probably won't work. This way is better."
@@mikevanroy9356 Skynet lost though, and it tried to change the timeline and failed. So no, machines aren't capable of that in this universe.
“You’re a healthy female of breeding age. It’s irrational to refuse me.” These lines have worked several times for me at the bar. There are some dedicated women out there who want the human race to survive.
so, did you successfully reproduced with them?
Can I ask what that profile pic is bro?
Crushed1776 “The Laughing Jester” 16th century, anonymous, Stockholm
Slovenc Devetinsedemdeset “My cock is powerful piston. A breeding machine.”
@Rumpel Felt Normally I'd support the OP because he already did the sarcastic dating tips bit, but then again he really, _really_ walked into that one.
Judgment Day cannot be stopped. That's why it's called Rise of the Machines.
I like how Arnie says "I'm not designed to understand the dynamics of human peer bonding" but the subtitles say Human Peer Pounding.....
proceeds to beocme a family man in Dark Fate all on his own. This franchise is full of inconsistencies.
He said "pair bonding".
@@shawbros Good for you, taking a humorous comment which everyone understood and applying a bland observance. +1 point, welcome to level 2.
@@pozzythump868
You shouldn't get angry when you are the one that makes a mistake.
@@shawbros it's called a joke
I love the fact that the t 850 looked offended when jon called him a robot and took the trouble to correct him😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
"I'm not some damn robot!"
"Cybernetic organism."
Holy shit, the Terminator is literally PC.
John: Whatever..!! 😂😂
Indeed, he's a walking Personal Computer.
Looking back on this film after so many years have past, you realise it's not that bad. It's actually a good film - just not as good as the two that came before it.
T1 and T2 had established a bar that no other sequels could ever hope jump over. James Cameron actually liked this film when it came out also.
No... you just got used to really really bad Terminator films. This one is still bad.
@@raurmanproductions3438 Right?! The timeline is way off! That alone ruins a movie about time travel.
Considering that both the previous movies premise was fucking up the timeline again and again, I don't know why that's the part that got you concerned lol.
@@lazmanariffsulaiman7569 What in the white hot fuck are you talking about. The first movie established the timeline and T2 stuck to it. T3 says John was 13 during the events of T2. He wasn't. He was 10. John Conner was born in Feb. of 1985, so that would set T2 in 1995. T3 says Sarah died of cancer in 1997 and she lived for 3 years after being diagnosed. That would mean she was diagnosed in 1994, a year before T2. She hadn't been diagnosed with cancer in T2. She was in a psych ward. The filmmakers fucked up the main timeline because they didn't pay attention to what had already been established in the previous two movies. If there's anywhere one should pay close attention to the timeline of events, it's a story about goddamned time travel. Again. What in the hell are you talking about?
"You're a healthy female of breeding age"
gonna try this pickup line tomorrow at the bar
5 months later, but good luck.
So, did it work?
hope he gets a notification so he explain us what happened
Works if you're rich!
Damn lol
3:33 They cut out the scene from the Terminator's perspective, as he calculated that John would not commit suicide. There was this scene in the cinema, it's too bad they cut it out.
I'm pretty sure it is on my DVD.
I love how he stepped up at 3:00 not sure what to do.. Always calculating..
@@yurmimgiey2857 I think the reason he corrected him and said “cybernetic organism” was because he was trying to prolong the conversation with him and get him to not kill himself. I’m sure that’s what he was doing.
Underrated film, Schwarzenegger does his usual solid job and Danes is believable, good storyline and plenty of enjoyable action/humour
This movie is going to age like a fine wine
Terminator 10 (2050)
Connor: im a human, not some damn robot
T850: did you just assume my model?
😂
Lol
..Cybernetic organism...
@@mohdfaizul481 *Non-binary cybernetic organism
Conservatives have one joke, and this is it. It’s always some variation of “Did you just assume my gender?!” or “I identify as an attack helicopter!”
There’s literally an entire subreddit dedicated to it called r/OneJoke.
Please stop. It wasn’t funny 15 years ago when people started using it, and it hasn’t gotten funnier with repetition. It just makes people cringe when they hear it or read it.
I think this is my favorite scene of this film. It uncovers some lore and has a great tension with Arnie talking down John.
3:24
"So much for the great john conor" -dark fate
Never gets old. John: I am giving you an order. / Arnold: I'm not programmed to follow your orders.
This movie was not as bad as it was originally seemed. The fact that Judgement Day was that day made the movie better & the sense of urgency went up big time. Made the movie more enjoyable to watch 💯
This movie is terrible. Also it started the trend of R-rated franchises going to PG for more money. Then you get bloodless movies like Alien Vs predator and
Robocop remake that are also terrible
@@worsethanhitlerpt.2539 We get it bro, you have very high standards
@@worsethanhitlerpt.2539This movie was rated R lol
I always wondered how the 3 of them loaded with guns managed to enter the facility which would have been heavily guarded. The security must be sleeping...
They probably snuck in
Forgot about T-X was already there before them.
Arnie probably threatened them. I mean, that's what happened in T2 when they broke into the hospital and Cyberdyne itself.
@@SoldierOfFate eh, cyberdyne was a civilian technology company, not a military installation. I'm sure Arnie still could have blown his way to the control centre but he didn't, so small little plot hole.
Maybe they were too distracted by the computer virus issue and also don't forget that Kate was the boss's daughter.
I like the subtle nod that Kate can give the orders and she is the one who sent back the terminator.
“I’m not programmed to follow your orders” 2:01 😂 💀
I like that john recognizes there are two timelines and the events that occur in the original timeline are not necessarily destined to occur in his own.
Kate: "NUCLEAR WAR?!"
One of my favorite lines :D
To me T3 and T4 are still canon and Dark Fate exists in an alternate timeline. #ForJohn
T3 wasn't that bad and Salvation is the best sequel made post T2. Genesys is trash and Dark Fate an abomination though.
Juan Laise My Top Three
1. Terminator 2
2. Terminator 1
3. Terminator: Salvation
Haven't seen Dark Fate yet, but this is my ranking:
5. Genisys
4. Rise of the Machines
3. Salvation
2. Judgement Day
1. The Terminator
@@stephenmurphy2212 no T1,T2,T3 and then Salvation lets be honest
Mr. TAMW I’m ranking them in order of how good they are
3:30 the most badass yet geeky way of saying, "You're bluffing" 😂
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for Judgement Day.
" Nuclear war?!?!??" 😰😱 That line was absolutely and positivity well-deliver by Claire Danes 😍😎👍💯 as it was just so genuine and believable as you can really feel her shock, disbelief, and terror. 2:04
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A WAR!!!!!
We can stop it!
@@francocorradi5818 There's insufficient time. The first launch sequences will initiate at 6:18 PM.
What, today?!
Affirmative...
I like how all the terminators in this franchise continually have to correct people and remind them that they're a "cybernetic organism". They just keep reminding people...endlessly. LOL
The flesh is just a disguise. The skeleton is the true form.
I do like that a Terminator has more targets than just John Connor. It really makes sense.
Considering that it was next to impossible to find him initially, going after the rest of the chain of command probably would be their plan B.
3:53
the next scene should of shown them waiting in back to back traffic xD xD
🤣 🤣
People have complained before about this version of John Connor being whiny.
But think about; this is a guy who has a massive burden ahead of him, one didn’t ask for and doesn’t want. Not to mention he couldn’t have a normal life partly cause his mom was prepping him and partly cause he was hunted. How exactly is he supposed to behave.
Plus he’s making another effort to stop billions of lives from being obliterated.
It was cruel to raise him for the sole purpose of leading humanity in a war, and then deny him that purpose. It left him unable to function in normal society after they "stopped" judgement day the first time
Negotiating with the Terminator... this is actually a really good scene.
Yep proving that you can negotiate with him if his mission is at the line
John asked her, “Who is your daddy and what does he do?”
Kindergarten Cop lol
I caught that as well lol
This movie wasn't bad actually
Yea, for an everyday sci - fi movie, it wasnt THAT bad.
Comparing to the first 2 movies, it was BAD, i think.
it seems to age like fine wine man. the more new (and way worse) terminator movies come out, this ones just keeps getting better.
I enjoyed.
Never was bad
But salvation was terrible
The Terminator calculated that the humans were going to stall arguing so that they wouldn't make it out of the blast zones in time, so he changed plans to make sure they went to her father, take a plane, and find shelter in an abandoned bunker.
Actually no, T850 was reprogrammed by Kate's future self. It is programmed to follow her orders.
The reason the terminator changed its "mind" is not because of her, but because it realized that no matter what course of action it takes the end result is inevitable in that John and Kate will end up in that bunker. This also poses a really interesting question about free will and if what we do is automatically determined by some conclusion despite the fact that we think we are "changing" our destinies, but in reality we are doing exactly as we were meant to.
No matter what happens this movie had a boring dull ending. Got ya
I don't think so. It has to follow her commands, just like the T800 had to follow John's in Terminator 2 even though doing so endangered the core objective (keeping him alive).
The terminator later states he’s not programmed to follow johns commands but this ine
I love that the auto captions for this translated "dynamics of human pair bonding" to "dynamics of human peer pounding".
Not to mention "Sure about this?" being "Shore a boat lisp?"
T3 is low-key an underated comedy..almost every scene had me rollin
You can see where John's coming from and it's part of the reason why I think the actor played this role very well. John is after all, a normal human being like everyone else (well, except with an eventful childhood). The idea of a destiny where he becomes a great military commander amidst a machine-Armageddon WOULD be terrifying to anyone. Imagine someone just telling you one day (with convincing proof) that that's who you are meant to become. I would be terrified and jittery as well, especially if I had seen and gone through what John had.
TLDR; The part is very well played IMO.
"Your confusion is not rational, she's a healthy female of breeding age"
Best line
3:02 that little walk was actually hilarious
I remember when people considered this to be the pesky unwanted sequel. Boy were they in for a treat. Looking back now terminator 3 isn’t that bad at all I actually enjoy it, just not as good as the first 2 but it still felt like a solid terminator movie unlike the last 2 we got which felt like some kind of scrapped fan fiction project
It honestly is not the worst Terminator movie out there. If anything, I would have considered it the final ending of The Terminator as a trilogy if there were more sequels to follow after this.
2:58 the way she turned to john when he pulled his gun and didn't even miss a beat wasn't very cash money lmao
Many people don't like T3 and I see it's weaknesses, but the inevitability of the nuclear war was a strong message and unexpected at this point. It closes well the story of T1 and T2.
This film is underrated
Fun and with good moments.
Salvation is boring and completely forgettable. But technically "good".
Genisys can be silly, but it also serves as entertainment.
No comments on Dark Fate.
I f you lower your standards
Something else sort of glossed over is this decision to ignore the terminator's advice ends with them losing all the armaments Sarah left for them and also the loss of the terminator itself, a formidable asset both of offense and defense and a wealth of knowledge. They would have to deal with the T-X still in the long run, who knows how that would alternatively turn out after judgement day...
The first time watching this scene years ago, I was so scared and speechless.
3:01 I like how this is essentially The Terminator showing as much concern/shock as a machine can
"I am not programmed to follow your orders," I just love Arnold❤😂😂😂
I so love this scene... katherine gave t850 an order and it responded. It didnt care that john was willing to kill himself.... then the look of shock on connors face lol wtf?!?!
Love T800 fulfilling the dad role, all you had to do was say please John!
3:05
>Me to my Suicidal friend at 3am
Idk why but that gong at 3:59 is haunting
"Our destiny was never to stop judgment Day, merely to survive it. The terminator tried to tell us but I didn't want to hear it"
This movie isn’t that bad tbh.
This T-850 was SAVAGE 😂
Great scene in an underrated movie
The last real Terminator movie
You can tell that under that tough and tactical exterior he was raised with, there was still just a scared man who never wanted any of that future he knew was coming his way.
mhm that right there is so john connor 1:45 nice hit nick stahl
I remember the feeling of dread I had during this whole movie, and when the Terminator said that Judgment Day is TODAY, I remember it being through the roof. I liked this movie since it came out, and I saw it in theaters when I was 10. Sure, they probably should have stopped after T2, but in hindsight this added a lot more to John’s character by adding his future wife too. And the TX was awesome, very scary. Also, the final scene with John’s speech and the nukes falling was burned into my brain. I do not blame John for being afraid of his destiny at all. I remember feeling sick, similar to when in The Matrix, Neo told Morpheus, “I don’t believe you.”
Arnold is great at playing a robot. People give him crap for his acting but he nails this kind of role.
no one has ever gave him crap not sure what your on about...
0:50 “Who is your daddy and what does he do?”
"We can reach CIS in approcimately one hour depending on traffic conditions" So when will we have Terminator as a GPS?