An 'ah, right!' moment here (probably bloody obvious really). I was wondering why my own beginner blends were subtle compared to the bought perfumes I have, despite my high concentrations... its evaporation carrying the scent particles! So a 'weaker' mix can seem stronger and more 'immediate' out of the bottle. Thanks for explaining some basic to me, I'm sure it will all come back..
Is the glass filtering 'beaker' washable or you have to dispose it after you filtered your finished perfume? Great video btw. Thanks for sharing all the inside knowledge
Hi BK, Thanks for the great video, I like the way you are teaching. Talking about weight (g) and volume (ml), as you have said, volume does not equal weight. The relation between weight and volume is called density. Every raw material which is in liquid form has a density value which is the ratio between weight and volume (w/v). Water for example has a density value of 1, that means 50 g should equal 50 ml. If an oil has a density of 0.95, it means that 95 g will occupy 100 ml. So in our case, if we blend different raw materials, which have different density values, to make a perfume, there is no way to figure it out how many grams of the final blend should we measure to fill a 50 ml bottle. In order to do that we need to know every density value of every raw material in the final blend and do some complicated math.
No need to guess the numbers, just use math. Example.. 50 grams finished perfume at 15% concentration you just multiply 50 by 0,15 and you get 7,5. Then subtract 7,5 from 50 and you get 42,5. So 7,5 grams of concentrate and 42,5 grams of alcohol are your final numbers. Another example.. say you want 75 grams of finished perfume at 18% concentration.. 75x0,18=13,5.. 75-13,5=61,5. Final numbers.. 13,5 grams of concentrate and 61,5 grams of alcohol.
Thank you for this video! So helpful! Where you used to buy your bottles with crimp pump? Or it can be any bottle, but diameter of the ‘neck’ part should matching with the crimp pump from the other supplier?
That's fine for water....which isn't really in perfumes. You'll find that many perfumery materials have different molecular weights and different boiling points, and not all materials are the same weight. A perfect example would be to weigh 50g of labdanum absolute, 50g of galaxolide, and 50g of Hedione. Then take these and put them all into tall beakers to measure it's 'milliliters'. You'll find that none of these will be at 50ml. This is why I can't stress enough....to ' Get A Scale' if you plan on doing Perfumery the right way.
You measure a graduated cylinder from the bottom of the meniscus. That was about exactly 50ml of water. At 20C and sea level 1g of water equals 1cc of water equals 1ml of water. The density of alcohol is much lower so 50g of DPG would be a very different volume.
Thanks for this video. Very detailed and helpful. Instead of storing my premade perfumes in the aluminum bottle that you showed, can i use glass bottle? Dark or clear glass bottle?
Love your videos. This clarified a lot of misconceptions. A question: what can i use to dilute a rare/expensive perfume to increase its volume without changing its smell or performance too much? Thanks
What mix of perfumers alcohol do you use with other stuff like dpg? My perfumes smell really like hand sanitizer, and I’m using ethyl alcohol. What am I doing wrong?
Wow your videos are amazing, definitely not easy to find this kind of content over the internet, thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge, greetings from Brazil :-) What do you think about the ready made perfume coupounds? i Is it a good way to start a new perfume business? Before getting into the creation our own formulas? Also could you talk about gcms analysis and how can they help in the learn process of creating new fragrances?
Ready made perfume compounds (AKA - perfume oils) are not meant for perfume. Don't expect to buy a "Aqua Di Gio perfume oil base"...and then simply add alcohol and have it magically be like the real thing. Generally these 'ready made perfume oils' are an 'oil based' product which doesnt work well for alcoholic spray applications....but may work well in soaps and candles....
Thanks for the video. So let's say you are creating a formula, the way it will smell during the mixing and testing won't smell the same way as after the molecules been set for 2 weeks altogether in the bottle?
Hi sir my name is vivek from india im getting minute dust particles in perfume I don't know how to filter... it's not coming in fragrance oil and ethanol it's coming in perfume bottle is a fine dust if I am washing it's not getting clear you have any situation ?
The concentrate is raw? Or firstly dilluted? If the material is dilluted lets say to 50 %'. Is the solution in the initial dillution calculated to the amount of the alcohol to the total formula or is it considered as a raw cocentrate? Thanks
Thank you and for your valuable information. The question of how can we get alcohol for perfumes and what is the percentage of% أي from which company and how much is it? Thank you.🙂
Personally, I wouldn't. Unless you really soak the bottle in alcohol for a few days to get it really clean, maybe you could. But don't reuse the cap. Use a new cap once the bottle is cleaned.
Just a note on how to calculate how many grams of concentration you would want. You do the following: Total grams wanted / 100 x the percentage of concentration you want. So the example in the video would be 50 (ml) / 100 x 15 (%) = 7.5 grams of perfume concentration :)
@@snowmanstreaming But is different for example 15% concetration if my materials are diluted to 20% or to 50% for example. So what dilution is correct to work with?
Do you find that the hand crimper works? I have the exact same one except that it never seems to be able to create a tight seal - the perfume leaks out if I turn it upside down. Once I managed to clamp it hard enough to shatter the top of the bottle off of the rest of it.
For me it works and crimps just fine. However the tricky part is getting the sleeve over it all without disturbing the crimp you just made. I find sometimes slipping the sleeve ring over disturbs the crimp seal, and I have to start all over again
All my crimpables i got from Alibaba. You have to chat with a few suppliers online from that site to see whos willing to work in small quantities. But i have made a few deals with them in getting an order of just 100 bottles. But it really depended on the bottle type, for some factories have ready made bottles ready to ship and those are the ones who most likely are willing to do a low MOQ.
Can you please let me know how can we decide the expiry date of perfume? I'm just thinking it will based on our essential oils expiry. Is this correct understanding?
I wouldn't worry to much about it. Perfumes are mostly alcohol (80-90%)....I have fragrances I bought from 10 years ago that still smell fine to this day
Total newbie question here but when you dilute your concentrate in alcohol, approximately how long do you need to let it sit before using it? I created a couple of scents that I think smell very nice, however I recently diluted them both in alcohol about 2-3 days ago and put a small amount of each in 2ml spray vials. They smell really nice but sort of fade out rather quickly, despite the fact that I used a good dose of musks and other fixatives. I'm just wondering if the reason why they seem to be so weak now is because they were just diluted a few days ago, and it's going to take time for the scent molecules to combine with the alcohol.
For trial makings, I let it sit for at least 48 hours after its diluted down to the EDT/EDP before smelling it to evaluate it. But once a formula is finished to my liking, and i start filling bottles... i tell everyone to let it rest for 2 weeks before using it. If the scent fades out rather quickly after letting it sit for a few days, its not really because it hasn't sat long enough....it just means your formula isn't finished yet and you need to re-work it until your satisfied with its scent and performance.
Just fill bottle up with alcohol, make sure atomizer fits without alcohol spilling. Depending on size of atomizer it will displace more or less liquid. The Boston round amber/blue bottles have thick tube, and neck so they displace more than thinner perfume style atomizer tube. (Leave a little room, for density variations too. A gram of orange oil will displace more volume than a gram of sandalwood. You don’t need much, just a few millimeters. If you made a batch of diluted orange oil by weight and a batch of sandalwood spray by weight, it will look like you didn’t fill up bottle of sandalwood as much. It is not much, but that little air bubble that floats around when the bottle is sealed will look larger on the one with heavier oil.) Take weight of alcohol - let’s say 30 grams. Divide By 100 - 30➗100= .3 Multiply that number by percentage you want. 20% .3 ✖️ 20 = 6g of juice. So 24 grams alc. 6g juice. Don’t just assume 30ml bottle will hold 30g of liquid either. The 30ml I have only hold just over 24 grams. With that style of atomizer. Definitely fill bottle up first and work out displacement and fine tune it. Then you can pre dilute larger batches based on those numbers and fill your smaller bottles with pre diluted formula.
I'm confused by your naturals and "cloudy" because Essential oils, absolutes and CO2 don't particularly have cloudiness. Only time that would occur if it had impurities like a pressed oil aka maceration of gardenia or if the above mentioned were cut with a carrier oil.
@@SwissMiss138 that's what a filter is for. Some of the plant materials are still there after hexane extraction or co2 I know labdanum has some junk particles you have to filter out.
@@SwissMiss138 that's why doing a 50/50 dilution with filter helps but you will need to re-weigh to see how much was removed to have a solution to use. But not all have that reaction just the tar colored ones. However lotus absolutes don't really have that problem
Yes I know what filters are fir. You said you were confused because your compounds don’t have cloudiness. Depends on which compounds you use. Some have more sediment than others and need filtration.,
Actually, Ylang Yalng will always be cloudy, as will Pink Pepper...there are many naturals that will always product a cloudiness (even with no sediments/particles) when diluted with Ethanol
It depends. If you are using A LOT of naturals in your perfume or using a 100% all natural perfume materials only, it may change the scent to a degree. You have to remember, when filtering... your taking out all the fatty materials, sediments, etc...and those all contribute to smell to some degree. But if you are only using 'some' natural materials along side with a lot of synthetics, it shouldn't be an issue
@@bkscents7050 hey, could you tell me why many perfume don't smell like alcohol? While i made several of mine alcohol smell still exist even in a long time
Well there is a trade off. Crimpless aren't as air tight and are subject to becoming loose over time and could possibly leak. But you do get the benefit of taking the cap off and refilling the bottle
@@bkscents7050 oh bad. I readed that Lutens and some other famous brands, used this crimpless method, so I thought it was fully safe, and I was thinking to order some of these on rose-heinze. So you suggest me to go with normal crimped sprayers so, and to don't try with crimpless
i like your teaching methoud, and its free, i trust your choice of quality fragrances, but PLEASE PLEASE DUMP THE BAD MUSAK; WHICH I CALL BUMP-CHA- BUMP-CHA, IT IS OFFENSIVE TO MY EARS. AND KEEP UP THE GOOD EDUCATION. THANK YOU
An 'ah, right!' moment here (probably bloody obvious really). I was wondering why my own beginner blends were subtle compared to the bought perfumes I have, despite my high concentrations... its evaporation carrying the scent particles! So a 'weaker' mix can seem stronger and more 'immediate' out of the bottle. Thanks for explaining some basic to me, I'm sure it will all come back..
use more musk and blend with heavier molecules
Another great and useful tutorial. Thank you BK
Likes and subbed!! I'm about to run through your other videos.
Also do you have a link to where you got the screw on bottles? Thanks!
Is the glass filtering 'beaker' washable or you have to dispose it after you filtered your finished perfume? Great video btw. Thanks for sharing all the inside knowledge
Hi BK,
Thanks for the great video, I like the way you are teaching.
Talking about weight (g) and volume (ml), as you have said, volume does not equal weight.
The relation between weight and volume is called density. Every raw material which is in liquid form has a density value
which is the ratio between weight and volume (w/v). Water for example has a density value of 1, that means 50 g should equal 50 ml.
If an oil has a density of 0.95, it means that 95 g will occupy 100 ml.
So in our case, if we blend different raw materials, which have different density values, to make a perfume, there is no way to figure it out
how many grams of the final blend should we measure to fill a 50 ml bottle. In order to do that we need to know every density value of every raw material
in the final blend and do some complicated math.
Useful video as usual. Thank you
Does it make a difference if you filter before or after you mature the perfume for 1 month or so?
No need to guess the numbers, just use math. Example.. 50 grams finished perfume at 15% concentration you just multiply 50 by 0,15 and you get 7,5. Then subtract 7,5 from 50 and you get 42,5. So 7,5 grams of concentrate and 42,5 grams of alcohol are your final numbers.
Another example.. say you want 75 grams of finished perfume at 18% concentration.. 75x0,18=13,5.. 75-13,5=61,5.
Final numbers.. 13,5 grams of concentrate and 61,5 grams of alcohol.
Your videos are LIFE
Thank you for this video! So helpful! Where you used to buy your bottles with crimp pump? Or it can be any bottle, but diameter of the ‘neck’ part should matching with the crimp pump from the other supplier?
So helpful, you're amazing! Love your videos!
The metric system is based on water so 50ml of water would be exactly 50 grams. Water boils at 100 Celsius and freezes at 0 Celsius etc...
That's fine for water....which isn't really in perfumes. You'll find that many perfumery materials have different molecular weights and different boiling points, and not all materials are the same weight. A perfect example would be to weigh 50g of labdanum absolute, 50g of galaxolide, and 50g of Hedione. Then take these and put them all into tall beakers to measure it's 'milliliters'. You'll find that none of these will be at 50ml.
This is why I can't stress enough....to ' Get A Scale' if you plan on doing Perfumery the right way.
@@bkscents7050 yes thank you
You measure a graduated cylinder from the bottom of the meniscus. That was about exactly 50ml of water.
At 20C and sea level 1g of water equals 1cc of water equals 1ml of water. The density of alcohol is much lower so 50g of DPG would be a very different volume.
Thanks for this video. Very detailed and helpful. Instead of storing my premade perfumes in the aluminum bottle that you showed, can i use glass bottle? Dark or clear glass bottle?
Yes, glass bottles are fine. Preferably dark colored...but make sure the caps are air tight. Don't store them in dropper bottles
@bkscents7050 thanks a lot 🙏🏾 💓
Love your videos. This clarified a lot of misconceptions.
A question: what can i use to dilute a rare/expensive perfume to increase its volume without changing its smell or performance too much?
Thanks
What mix of perfumers alcohol do you use with other stuff like dpg? My perfumes smell really like hand sanitizer, and I’m using ethyl alcohol. What am I doing wrong?
Wow your videos are amazing, definitely not easy to find this kind of content over the internet, thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge, greetings from Brazil :-)
What do you think about the ready made perfume coupounds? i
Is it a good way to start a new perfume business? Before getting into the creation our own formulas? Also could you talk about gcms analysis and how can they help in the learn process of creating new fragrances?
Ready made perfume compounds (AKA - perfume oils) are not meant for perfume. Don't expect to buy a "Aqua Di Gio perfume oil base"...and then simply add alcohol and have it magically be like the real thing. Generally these 'ready made perfume oils' are an 'oil based' product which doesnt work well for alcoholic spray applications....but may work well in soaps and candles....
Great video! Where could i find a perfume crimping tool like the one in your video?
15% of 50 is 7.5
So the nos. would have been 42.5 and 7.5.
Simple Maths.
Except that, great video ❤
Hi BK!Can you please talk about smell training? I have read this in many professional books, but I have no idea how to start it.
Sir how do you clean that buchner funnel after filtering once. I mean how do u make it odorless for different perfume filtration. Please help!🙏
Thank you for important information
Plumbers take is a great idea
Hello I’ve been watching some of your stuff yesterday & today & subbed. Learned a lot but I’m wondering if you sell your own fragrances?
Hello Bk Scents can I kindly ask what the size of your sleeve press please in mm? really this is so fascinating.
Thanks for the video. So let's say you are creating a formula, the way it will smell during the mixing and testing won't smell the same way as after the molecules been set for 2 weeks altogether in the bottle?
Very useful video. Thank you very much.
Can I place an order thru u? I would rather have them premade for me if the price isn't alot more expensive
Hi sir my name is vivek from india im getting minute dust particles in perfume I don't know how to filter... it's not coming in fragrance oil and ethanol it's coming in perfume bottle is a fine dust if I am washing it's not getting clear you have any situation ?
The concentrate is raw? Or firstly dilluted? If the material is dilluted lets say to 50 %'. Is the solution in the initial dillution calculated to the amount of the alcohol to the total formula or is it considered as a raw cocentrate? Thanks
Thank you and for your valuable information. The question of how can we get alcohol for perfumes and what is the percentage of% أي from which company and how much is it? Thank you.🙂
I think he shared a video about that, you need to check another video
Do I need to add DPG to the perfume? Or just perfumers alcohol will do all the job?
Volume is Standardized at 20 degree C, so variation in temperature has effect on volume too.
How do I find the calculator online?
Sweet. Your vid literally came across my phone screen. Been a while. . Hope all is well
All is good my man! How's the Corona life treatin' ya?? You miss the gym?
Have you made perfumes which you are selling or send samples?
Can you tell me where you get your bottles from to buy?
Can i use the same bottle to store different perfumes at different times?
Personally, I wouldn't. Unless you really soak the bottle in alcohol for a few days to get it really clean, maybe you could. But don't reuse the cap. Use a new cap once the bottle is cleaned.
Just a note on how to calculate how many grams of concentration you would want. You do the following: Total grams wanted / 100 x the percentage of concentration you want. So the example in the video would be 50 (ml) / 100 x 15 (%) = 7.5 grams of perfume concentration :)
THANKS
So, 7,5 grams of perfume and 42,5 of alcohol? I am right?
@@MARTIN-hs2by yes you are correct 👍
@@snowmanstreaming But is different for example 15% concetration if my materials are diluted to 20% or to 50% for example. So what dilution is correct to work with?
thanks for the video
It makes more sense to do every thing in grams weight... hence when you sell the perfume your selling it by the gram. Hence a 15 grm bottle not ml
Do you find that the hand crimper works? I have the exact same one except that it never seems to be able to create a tight seal - the perfume leaks out if I turn it upside down. Once I managed to clamp it hard enough to shatter the top of the bottle off of the rest of it.
For me it works and crimps just fine. However the tricky part is getting the sleeve over it all without disturbing the crimp you just made. I find sometimes slipping the sleeve ring over disturbs the crimp seal, and I have to start all over again
Hi Sam. Where did you get yours from? I bought mine from plush folly and it works fine. It was about 70/75 quid x
@@goodimoh7157 I got mine straight from China. The one from Plush Folly looks like it's for snap-on (crimp-less) caps rather than regular.
@@sammacer yeah it's a snap on one . Pretty good too
Any website in particular to get these bottles?
Any recommendations on where to buy crimpable bottles in low quantities?
All my crimpables i got from Alibaba. You have to chat with a few suppliers online from that site to see whos willing to work in small quantities. But i have made a few deals with them in getting an order of just 100 bottles. But it really depended on the bottle type, for some factories have ready made bottles ready to ship and those are the ones who most likely are willing to do a low MOQ.
Can you teach me how to make a Molecules 01 clone at home? Please? Por favor?
Can you please let me know how can we decide the expiry date of perfume? I'm just thinking it will based on our essential oils expiry. Is this correct understanding?
I wouldn't worry to much about it. Perfumes are mostly alcohol (80-90%)....I have fragrances I bought from 10 years ago that still smell fine to this day
Why do you have a transparent Barrier around your scale
Total newbie question here but when you dilute your concentrate in alcohol, approximately how long do you need to let it sit before using it? I created a couple of scents that I think smell very nice, however I recently diluted them both in alcohol about 2-3 days ago and put a small amount of each in 2ml spray vials. They smell really nice but sort of fade out rather quickly, despite the fact that I used a good dose of musks and other fixatives. I'm just wondering if the reason why they seem to be so weak now is because they were just diluted a few days ago, and it's going to take time for the scent molecules to combine with the alcohol.
For trial makings, I let it sit for at least 48 hours after its diluted down to the EDT/EDP before smelling it to evaluate it. But once a formula is finished to my liking, and i start filling bottles... i tell everyone to let it rest for 2 weeks before using it. If the scent fades out rather quickly after letting it sit for a few days, its not really because it hasn't sat long enough....it just means your formula isn't finished yet and you need to re-work it until your satisfied with its scent and performance.
Can't you just use minus from the bottle which is 100% and minus the 15% from that to know how much material you need to use?
Just fill bottle up with alcohol, make sure atomizer fits without alcohol spilling.
Depending on size of atomizer it will displace more or less liquid.
The Boston round amber/blue bottles have thick tube, and neck so they displace more than thinner perfume style atomizer tube.
(Leave a little room, for density variations too. A gram of orange oil will displace more volume than a gram of sandalwood.
You don’t need much, just a few millimeters.
If you made a batch of diluted orange oil by weight and a batch of sandalwood spray by weight, it will look like you didn’t fill up bottle of sandalwood as much.
It is not much, but that little air bubble that floats around when the bottle is sealed will look larger on the one with heavier oil.)
Take weight of alcohol -
let’s say 30 grams.
Divide By 100 - 30➗100= .3
Multiply that number by percentage you want. 20%
.3 ✖️ 20 = 6g of juice. So 24 grams alc. 6g juice.
Don’t just assume 30ml bottle will hold 30g of liquid either.
The 30ml I have only hold just over 24 grams. With that style of atomizer.
Definitely fill bottle up first and work out displacement and fine tune it.
Then you can pre dilute larger batches based on those numbers and fill your smaller bottles with pre diluted formula.
I'm confused by your naturals and "cloudy" because Essential oils, absolutes and CO2 don't particularly have cloudiness. Only time that would occur if it had impurities like a pressed oil aka maceration of gardenia or if the above mentioned were cut with a carrier oil.
a lot of absolutes result in a cloudy perfume. My oakmoss, narcissus, seaweed etc.
@@SwissMiss138 that's what a filter is for. Some of the plant materials are still there after hexane extraction or co2 I know labdanum has some junk particles you have to filter out.
@@SwissMiss138 that's why doing a 50/50 dilution with filter helps but you will need to re-weigh to see how much was removed to have a solution to use. But not all have that reaction just the tar colored ones. However lotus absolutes don't really have that problem
Yes I know what filters are fir. You said you were confused because your compounds don’t have cloudiness. Depends on which compounds you use. Some have more sediment than others and need filtration.,
Actually, Ylang Yalng will always be cloudy, as will Pink Pepper...there are many naturals that will always product a cloudiness (even with no sediments/particles) when diluted with Ethanol
Is that filtering affect scent quality?
It depends. If you are using A LOT of naturals in your perfume or using a 100% all natural perfume materials only, it may change the scent to a degree. You have to remember, when filtering... your taking out all the fatty materials, sediments, etc...and those all contribute to smell to some degree. But if you are only using 'some' natural materials along side with a lot of synthetics, it shouldn't be an issue
@@bkscents7050 thanks for the enlightenment
@@bkscents7050 hey, could you tell me why many perfume don't smell like alcohol? While i made several of mine alcohol smell still exist even in a long time
What kind of alcohol are you using?
@@bkscents7050 isopropyl alcohol 96% denatured
It hurt me to see you playing the "guessing game" 😂😆
Dude it's 7.5g of concentrate and 42.5g of dilute 😬
Crimpless sprayers are ok and safe like the crimped?
Well there is a trade off. Crimpless aren't as air tight and are subject to becoming loose over time and could possibly leak. But you do get the benefit of taking the cap off and refilling the bottle
@@bkscents7050 oh bad. I readed that Lutens and some other famous brands, used this crimpless method, so I thought it was fully safe, and I was thinking to order some of these on rose-heinze.
So you suggest me to go with normal crimped sprayers so, and to don't try with crimpless
I actually have both. Just remember that the crimped version is pretty permanent.
@@bkscents7050 Thank you!
It’s not a guessing game, it’s basic algebra
So how many drops does it take to fill up a perfume bottle?😂🤪
I wouldnt know...i dont have a scale and im almost out of "perfume oil", lol
Hello!
Any email adress where i can contact you? Thank you
i like your teaching methoud, and its free, i trust your choice of quality fragrances, but PLEASE PLEASE DUMP THE BAD MUSAK; WHICH I CALL BUMP-CHA- BUMP-CHA, IT IS OFFENSIVE TO MY EARS. AND KEEP UP THE GOOD EDUCATION. THANK YOU
We’re so I buy the bottles ??