Im just looking into getting my first car soon and have had great interest in learning about cars in general and your channel is phenomenal. Lots of very quick easy to follow information and you dont beat around the bush. Thank you!
You have a very unique channel. Making money and having hobbies too. Those hobbies happen to be cars and racing. I've learned a lot on your channel. It's fun watching you grow and getting better at doing this youtube thing! Best wishes : )
A limited slip differential still allows one wheel to rotate at a slightly different speed to the other. But in an open diff, power from the engine is distributed to both wheels, but when one wheel loses traction, the power is not equally transferred to the other wheel (one with grip), it cancels out. With a limited slip diff, the power is equally distributed to both wheels, even if one loses traction.
How much do you think it would cost to add a limited slip differential to a 2013 Miata sport 5 speed? Is it better to find a factory lsd or get an aftermarket one?
Yes. The purpose of lsd in drift would be even power across the back, the open diff sends power to the wheel that has less traction ie inner wheel when drifting) and that causes the wheel to spin and the outside wheel to "follow" the car and you are not initiating the drift instead you are just wasting fuel and rubber while not having fun :D
open diff is scary when drifting, the car is far less predictable and more prone to snapping back the other way. with an lsd it keeps the power down and forces the rear end out
If you go the cheapest way and weld the spider gears together in you're open differential, you'll drift even better than having an lsd. BUT. the axel loses the ability to allow your back wheels to spin at different speeds. So when your making tight turns in a parking lot. Say making a slow hard right turn, you inside rear tire will hop or chirp because It can't spin at a slower speed than the outside tire. It's apparently even worse in reverse.
Fantastic demonstration ! Keep up the hard work! Does you lsd also lockup on deceleration like it does on acceleration ? Makes a difference for drifting
They (wavetrac) claim it does lock up on decel. To me the wavetrac feels like it is not as effective as an aggressive clutch LSD but it is a little better than a standard torque biasing differential.
@@yamaha94O everyone that has ever owned a car ever (and lives in a place where it snows in the winter ..90% of population of earth, i don't care about the u.s.) has goten car stuck in the mud and snow at least once where a limited slip would have goten them out. I'm not gonna buy a shity crosover for 2 months of snow per year.
@@JackobsnN people still do tho. Doesn't matter. Facts are facts and 90% of car buyers will waste their money on an awd crossover for like a max of 30 snowy days. It's sad but true.
@@JackobsnN and I meant spin the tires as in purposely do a burn out. Fun story actually, there was a lady that couldn't get up a hill in a snowstorm in her awd crossover and I blew up that hill in my fwd, lsd 5speed mazdaspeed protege like it was nothing. With shitty all seasons. Lolllll
@@yamaha94O yes facts are facts .... and you live in a big delusion if you think that 90% of the worlds population is driving around in an awd suv. If we were , then i wouldn't have comented in the first place
I dont know if this is the right place for this question but maybe someone can help me here: Im planning on buying a c63 amg w204, and i saw that depending on the year, some have the slip differential and some dont. I m curious exactly how and when it works, mostly for my safety, as i m used to driving powerful cars, but im no pilot and my cars have mostly been 4 wheel drive with basically no risk of slip. I saw that these c63 have a sport handling mode, so im now wondering what happens when i switch that on with and without the differential. Will it let me spin out if i floor it too much? Will it let me have a controlled drift ? What will be the difference between the slip / no slip differential models? What does it change between traction control off and sport handling? Many questions but so few answers 😅
Since you use a helical diff, have you ever found yourself in any situations where one of your rear (driven) wheels is lifted off the ground and thus, you are left without any power put down to the ground? What are some examples of such a case? Driving over curbs on a racetrack with stiff suspension?
Yeah with my S2000 in snow/ice or tight corners on track, it will exhibit open differential behavior. The Wavetrac diffs seem to work a little better... but still not great. Everything is a compromise.
I don’t have any actual experience with it but I would say it’s useful when you aren’t hitting top speed anyways to lower the gear ratio for faster acceleration to whichever top speed you will be going but is kinda a bitch to install but it’s definitely worth it
Open diff is better for burnout and i will say drifting, with lsd drifing is a little bit harder... with open diff u could drift in any low power car, but with lsd u would not,...
I bought the differntial from a junkyard and then installed a wavetrac inside. Here is a link to the e90 install ua-cam.com/video/TZWIm2PDpYU/v-deo.html
they dont add power, but are very helpful if you intend on adding power later. open diff with lots of power = blows 1 tire to bits and barely moves. but with an lsd its gunna hook up a lot quicker. with the same power lsd will pretty always be faster
I used a wavetrac for this one. I made a video of building the differential assembly up for this specific car. It is in the playlist on my channel page.
make sure to take out the choke before installing that, its going to be alot harder to pull the starter rope and actually get it running, but just push the primer button untill you see the clear bubble fill with fuel and can feel is pumping fuel into the motor, then pull the starter rope again again and it should start up just fine, also i recommend a 50:50 gas oil blend on all civics
Keep in mind that it could increase torque steer in FWD cars. There are ofcourse multiple variables, but there's a good chance of increasing it. Eat some spinach before you get in the car, hold the steering wheel like you're Popeye and you'll be fine :P
Shut up already... Either show me a website where i can find a clutch type 2 way for a volvo 1031 axel or leave it... Ive been looking for a year now... Only bullshit helical gear diffs for my axel
Can’t lie this has been one of the only useful videos comparing a limited slip diff to an open diff
Also benefits driving on wet or icy roads, accelerating out of corners on the street. Only downside is cost
@Vladimir Markov "downside" is the opposite of "advantage". He says the downside to a LSD is the high price"
I fully slipped and fell down the stairs. Video did not help.
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@Raymond C But wait, wouldn't LSD actually make you 'tripping balls'? 🤔
That’s pretty insane with the Dirt example I’m sold just on that👌
if you spend 90% of the time on dirt roads an lsd is the difference between life and death when something eventually goes wrong
1:17 I'm betting it was lost to snapback lol. Great video, bro.
This video was short, to the point and with a clear demonstration. Thanks for the info.
Im just looking into getting my first car soon and have had great interest in learning about cars in general and your channel is phenomenal. Lots of very quick easy to follow information and you dont beat around the bush. Thank you!
Thanks! Good luck with finding your first car!
Prly the only useful video on UA-cam actually showing the difference in practice
Nice, just ordered one from diffsonline for my 04' 330i ZHP!! Hyped
informative and to the point. Thank you great video!
You have a very unique channel. Making money and having hobbies too. Those hobbies happen to be cars and racing. I've learned a lot on your channel. It's fun watching you grow and getting better at doing this youtube thing! Best wishes : )
Thanks I appreciate it!
I always had the idea that an open diff was better for handling since it allows one wheel to turn less in turns.
The wheel that turns with less force is the one that has the most grip in that situation. You want it to be the other way around when cornering
Opposite
A limited slip differential still allows one wheel to rotate at a slightly different speed to the other.
But in an open diff, power from the engine is distributed to both wheels, but when one wheel loses traction, the power is not equally transferred to the other wheel (one with grip), it cancels out. With a limited slip diff, the power is equally distributed to both wheels, even if one loses traction.
it really depends, sometimes open diff can be faster since a lsd technically robs you power but it is very course dependent
finally i understand what it is made for. for year i have been a stupidity
You weren’t alone in the stupidity zone....lol
Love the video, quick and simple
Who do they even put open differentials in cars when limited slips are a available? Cost?
Haha this popped up on my feed this morning. I need a lsd for a 6-6 accord
How much do you think it would cost to add a limited slip differential to a 2013 Miata sport 5 speed? Is it better to find a factory lsd or get an aftermarket one?
For any car I buy, a limited slip differential is needed
Nice video and I see your wheel work on the track now just combine your skills with the power of the Kia stinger 😎
So are open diffs an outdated design? What’s the benefit of an open diff?
Can someone explain the #3 Drift to a car noob? How does this LSD affect drifting?
Can someone help me? When you need to drift you need turn off the traction control right? So what's the use of LSD when drifting?
Yes. The purpose of lsd in drift would be even power across the back, the open diff sends power to the wheel that has less traction ie inner wheel when drifting) and that causes the wheel to spin and the outside wheel to "follow" the car and you are not initiating the drift instead you are just wasting fuel and rubber while not having fun :D
Long story short, only one tire will spin, so no drifty. :(
open diff is scary when drifting, the car is far less predictable and more prone to snapping back the other way. with an lsd it keeps the power down and forces the rear end out
@@yamaha94O single peggers indeed
Can someone explain the point "drift without consequence"? What would normally be consequences
If you go the cheapest way and weld the spider gears together in you're open differential, you'll drift even better than having an lsd. BUT. the axel loses the ability to allow your back wheels to spin at different speeds. So when your making tight turns in a parking lot. Say making a slow hard right turn, you inside rear tire will hop or chirp because It can't spin at a slower speed than the outside tire. It's apparently even worse in reverse.
Yup. LSD is best . My car 60,000 Usd Pajero Sport 2013 had an factory LSD called "Hybrid Lsd" way fun on onroad man ! ❤
So that's why after doin donuts one tyre is gone and the other is fine 😭😂🤣😭
Then those aren't donuts lmao . My truck loves to spin one wheel too
One tire fire 🔥
Can i add lsd to my stock 328 i ion rlly wanna mod it much but it'll help with the handling so much
Fantastic demonstration ! Keep up the hard work! Does you lsd also lockup on deceleration like it does on acceleration ? Makes a difference for drifting
They (wavetrac) claim it does lock up on decel. To me the wavetrac feels like it is not as effective as an aggressive clutch LSD but it is a little better than a standard torque biasing differential.
Is the 2022 Genesis G70 with Limited Slip Diff. a viable car to do drifts with or not really???
How the hell is this not a factory standard for all cars !?
It's more expensive to mass produce and most people don't ever spin the tires. And as for snow, most people just get an awd crossover. Lol
@@yamaha94O everyone that has ever owned a car ever (and lives in a place where it snows in the winter ..90% of population of earth, i don't care about the u.s.) has goten car stuck in the mud and snow at least once where a limited slip would have goten them out. I'm not gonna buy a shity crosover for 2 months of snow per year.
@@JackobsnN people still do tho. Doesn't matter. Facts are facts and 90% of car buyers will waste their money on an awd crossover for like a max of 30 snowy days. It's sad but true.
@@JackobsnN and I meant spin the tires as in purposely do a burn out. Fun story actually, there was a lady that couldn't get up a hill in a snowstorm in her awd crossover and I blew up that hill in my fwd, lsd 5speed mazdaspeed protege like it was nothing. With shitty all seasons. Lolllll
@@yamaha94O yes facts are facts .... and you live in a big delusion if you think that 90% of the worlds population is driving around in an awd suv. If we were , then i wouldn't have comented in the first place
I dont know if this is the right place for this question but maybe someone can help me here:
Im planning on buying a c63 amg w204, and i saw that depending on the year, some have the slip differential and some dont.
I m curious exactly how and when it works, mostly for my safety, as i m used to driving powerful cars, but im no pilot and my cars have mostly been 4 wheel drive with basically no risk of slip.
I saw that these c63 have a sport handling mode, so im now wondering what happens when i switch that on with and without the differential.
Will it let me spin out if i floor it too much?
Will it let me have a controlled drift ?
What will be the difference between the slip / no slip differential models?
What does it change between traction control off and sport handling?
Many questions but so few answers 😅
Is it worth the premium to get the viscous LSD on the 370Z ?? or open diff would be ok
What is the diff called where can I get it from
Excellent video!
You should do more car tech and explain how they work.
Great video
Explain the difference between a PosiTrac (limited slip used on cars) and a PosiLock (used on trucks).
what type of lsd are you using?
Why would you want to put all that lateral stress on the car drifting?
It’s fun
Why the hell are they not standard on all but the ultra budget cars?!?!?
Why lsd will help throttle in corners?
Or make the gear ratio smaller and enjoy better MPG on highway
Thank you for this vid!
I was trying to explain the difference between an lsd and an open diff to a friend,my parents thought i was talking about the drug.
🤣🤣
they are so expensive. I have an E34 turbo, putting in a 3.15 LSD would cost me about $1500... is it really worth it? please advise!!
yes ofc
Get a used one and use "Racing Diffs" conversion. U will save up a lot. :)
That's cheap
what gear ratio would you suggest for a mostly use as a drift car and drive just to the event and back?
If 1 tire spins on road but 2 spin on dirt wat does that mean?
amazing!
Since you use a helical diff, have you ever found yourself in any situations where one of your rear (driven) wheels is lifted off the ground and thus, you are left without any power put down to the ground?
What are some examples of such a case? Driving over curbs on a racetrack with stiff suspension?
Yeah with my S2000 in snow/ice or tight corners on track, it will exhibit open differential behavior. The Wavetrac diffs seem to work a little better... but still not great. Everything is a compromise.
ZentRose Thanks!
How much improvement did you get from upgrading the gearing ratio? Is it worth it? Any downsides?
literally, watch the video lol
@@jamesfoo8999 smh, it ain't mentioned and has nothing to do with slip
I don’t have any actual experience with it but I would say it’s useful when you aren’t hitting top speed anyways to lower the gear ratio for faster acceleration to whichever top speed you will be going but is kinda a bitch to install but it’s definitely worth it
How does the LSD makes a difference in Race track..And does it cause Oversteer or understeer?
Both
What lsd can go into a cressida? I've heard that mk3 supras can be compatible. But other than that?
Consequence ? What happens when you drift with open diff ?
Open diff is better for burnout and i will say drifting, with lsd drifing is a little bit harder... with open diff u could drift in any low power car, but with lsd u would not,...
Show us drift with open diff. This is all i need to see
Link to diff you bought?
I bought the differntial from a junkyard and then installed a wavetrac inside. Here is a link to the e90 install ua-cam.com/video/TZWIm2PDpYU/v-deo.html
“in a family sedan”
Giant dh team in back ground very nice
An LSD is only ever as good as its clutches or friction. When the drive is stronger than the lock resistance it will behave like an open diff.
Gonna make my fwd swift a AWD swift with limited slip front diff!
How much percentage is the LSD blocked? or is it welded?
LSD is 25%, welded is 100%
Is this only for drifting? Can this be installed purely for more power
Nope not just for drifting, I am putting an OS Giken in my daily driver Miata next week.
they dont add power, but are very helpful if you intend on adding power later. open diff with lots of power = blows 1 tire to bits and barely moves. but with an lsd its gunna hook up a lot quicker. with the same power lsd will pretty always be faster
It is better for drifting, cornering and general acceleration
@@shingosshojiopoulos6608 there will be a difference in acceleration like from full stop in pave road?
@@acc1tester398 yes
Hey, great video. I have the same car (330i with N53 engine). Which LSD do you use? From which company is it?
I used a wavetrac for this one. I made a video of building the differential assembly up for this specific car. It is in the playlist on my channel page.
Alexander Raff Same, e92 330i N53. My car just wont drift even if I turn DTC completely off. Only half drifts
Can I do a donut with an open diff 328i
Yes
Was that buttonwillow?!
I have a bmw 140i with a stock diff , would you say buying a LSD will
Improve traction in the rain ? Or make it more unstable
Sam Abbas it’d be safer w/ an LSD. driver experience does make a difference though.
should i put a helical lsd on my civic ?
make sure to take out the choke before installing that, its going to be alot harder to pull the starter rope and actually get it running, but just push the primer button untill you see the clear bubble fill with fuel and can feel is pumping fuel into the motor, then pull the starter rope again again and it should start up just fine, also i recommend a 50:50 gas oil blend on all civics
@@megolito961 funny man
Which type of LSD do you prefer?
Torsen
how did you find the Wavetrac
I built it with a 3.64 open diff core. I am currently selling it.
Does that mean no more e90 videos?
ZentRose you are selling the wavetrac differential?
Yeah its on craigslist. I haven't put it on the forums yet.
Are those Falken RT615K tires in the background? How do you like them?
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Grange race track!!!⚡
My bmw 328i n52 gives me 14 mpg. Lmao can’t wait to get a different car
Venir Lekha damn n I get 18 mpg in a truck lol you have a heavy foot or something.
my bmw n54 335i gives me 28
New spark plugs? New fuel filter damn
Why make cars without it? Seriously, is there reason to make a car without it?
cuz it costs more maybe?
Normal cars dont need it
Manufacturers budget
Yea but da open diff look cooler like dukes o hazard Yee haw
Yeah but why would I care about accelerating or drifting when I have a 2005 Chevy Silverado?
What exactly did you mean by “no consequences?”
You don't suffer the effects of a welded diff while you're driving normal
was that buttonwillow? haha
Keep in mind that it could increase torque steer in FWD cars. There are ofcourse multiple variables, but there's a good chance of increasing it.
Eat some spinach before you get in the car, hold the steering wheel like you're Popeye and you'll be fine :P
Smart demo one wheel on the sand
NOT GOOD FOR 1/4 Tracks 🤣🤣🤣🤣
What ?
coool
Music with whistling in it should be banned from the world.
Shut up already... Either show me a website where i can find a clutch type 2 way for a volvo 1031 axel or leave it... Ive been looking for a year now... Only bullshit helical gear diffs for my axel
0:57 but the open was faster😂
Cameron Riccio no it wasn’t wtf
1.5, 2 way or spool! Everything else is bullshit!
Get a car with LSD factory installed.. cheaper
Fake so fake
You're not that good at drifting, R U ?