Radically Aligned Primary Education - School after AGI and Post-Labor Economics

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КОМЕНТАРІ • 277

  • @JuliaMcCoy
    @JuliaMcCoy 5 місяців тому +33

    🎯 "Why is school so early? Does it need to be?" You are asking the RIGHT QUESTIONS, my friend.

  • @EconomicWarfare
    @EconomicWarfare 5 місяців тому +38

    Emotional intelligence must be a part of the curriculum. Our society is crazy because of a lack thereof.

    • @cwcorella
      @cwcorella 5 місяців тому +14

      We could also build more third places. Get people out of their homes and into the real world. School won't fix loneliness for adults.

    • @chillmegachill
      @chillmegachill 5 місяців тому

      yeah right buddy. the population has only gotten more destabilized and crazy since the invention of this term. it is just a convenient way of excluding people, coated up in progressive language.

    • @wildfirez5764
      @wildfirez5764 5 місяців тому +1

      @@cwcorella 100% I agree as well with the OP. Do you have any good resources or ideas to help set up the third places and to help backpedal the loss of trust in society? I appreciate it y’all. These are important conversations, and I’m up for any thoughts. 🤘

    • @cwcorella
      @cwcorella 5 місяців тому +1

      @@wildfirez5764 Try the Srsly Wrong Podcast and Andrewism. Adam Something. Strong Towns. Not Just Bikes, too.

    • @ma2i485
      @ma2i485 5 місяців тому

      Indeed

  • @jrcrash4644
    @jrcrash4644 5 місяців тому +41

    The purpose of education is to provide daycare for households where both parents have to work.

    • @kennyg1358
      @kennyg1358 5 місяців тому

      That's the reality

    • @infinitybeyond1089
      @infinitybeyond1089 5 місяців тому

      😑👆....THIS....

    • @NeedaNewAlias
      @NeedaNewAlias 5 місяців тому +1

      No, that is the purpose of the school system, not of education

    • @justinandrew5331
      @justinandrew5331 4 місяці тому

      While teaching the kids they’ll be expected to do the same (work full time)

  • @billwang6237
    @billwang6237 5 місяців тому +100

    The purpose of education in an Ai era is to make kids a better understanding of the world, so that they can find their passion and their own purpose of life, otherwise, life will be boring

    • @billwang6237
      @billwang6237 5 місяців тому

      @@michaelnurse9089 seconded. In terms of satisfaction and enjoyment, we have various ways, but long lasting ways come from creation and self fulfillment, which needs certain level of skills and knowledge. The “flow” is a very satisfying state and drugs and alcohol cannot bring these kinds of satisfaction. But alcohol, drugs or games etc have an easier level of entry, so majority choose these ways. That is why education is important to equip people with the basics for greater “enjoyment”

    • @lucasvanharen5563
      @lucasvanharen5563 5 місяців тому +1

      @billwang6237 My thoughts exactly!

    • @carlosamado7606
      @carlosamado7606 5 місяців тому +7

      ​@@JohnSmith762A11B that's my situation right now. I dedicated so much time to my craft with barely any money to show for it. I see those skills as my ikigai, but society tells me what I'm doing is not worth much and I should get a normal job. Meanwhile some people came to me and told me I was the best band in my genre of the country. so depending on who you ask I'm either a genious or a good for nothing bum. xD

    • @peterclarke3020
      @peterclarke3020 4 місяці тому +1

      The problem most people are faced with is earning a living - quite how that works in a post AGI world, we haven’t really worked out yet.. Not for the average folk..

    • @DreamingConcepts
      @DreamingConcepts 4 місяці тому

      ​@@michaelnurse9089 I'm pretty sure he meant they're bored with themselves and can only be entertained by outside stimulus (i.e. your examples: playstation, politics, alcohol, sx, materialism, religion)

  • @andrewwalker8985
    @andrewwalker8985 5 місяців тому +17

    First things first - you go for walks in some really beautiful spots!

  • @ErikPedersen-rf8zb
    @ErikPedersen-rf8zb 5 місяців тому +23

    That school system sounds like the one they practice in Finland.. Based on an older American model.. And it works for Finland, they have the best performing students anywhere in the world..

    • @wombat5334
      @wombat5334 5 місяців тому +3

      not so true anymore.. education here has been suffering in the last years...

    • @ChaoticNeutralMatt
      @ChaoticNeutralMatt 5 місяців тому +3

      ​@@wombat5334oh? Do you know what's changing?

    • @MrNote-lz7lh
      @MrNote-lz7lh 5 місяців тому

      @ChaoticNeutralMatt
      Probably a cultural shift.

    • @sneakersda2199
      @sneakersda2199 3 місяці тому

      Well they don’t have the “diversity” that is in all the statistics for alot of other countries.

  • @dab42bridges80
    @dab42bridges80 5 місяців тому +21

    My dog ate my homework.

    • @dustyveilplays
      @dustyveilplays 5 місяців тому +7

      More like my robot didn't give me homework

  • @silverglasss6786
    @silverglasss6786 5 місяців тому +17

    Actually, where I grew up, school started at 9am🙏

  • @crippsuniverse
    @crippsuniverse 5 місяців тому +8

    I work in a special needs school. The purpose of the education we provide is to help our students have access to learning. There's no attempt to make good little workers. We are now teaching them to use AI to augment their lives.

    • @celso6454
      @celso6454 5 місяців тому +1

      That is fascinating. Do you know where I can learn more about incorporating AI into the school system? Are there AI education consultants leading the integration or is it principles/teachers doing it?

  • @ACTION-PLAY-SAFARI
    @ACTION-PLAY-SAFARI 5 місяців тому

    David love the outdoor vibe! Weather finally breaking in NJ we can get back to hiking. After watching your vids always feel that much smarter and like how you not only do you have the obvious deep tech side to it but also human side. Best of both worlds!

  • @franciscomagalhaes7457
    @franciscomagalhaes7457 5 місяців тому +5

    Hard agree on everything. And when you mentioned "playing", it really struck me how little of that is done in school. Playing is such an enormous component of learning, especially when you have some way to play with something that requires problem solving.

    • @cwcorella
      @cwcorella 5 місяців тому +2

      'Two hours outside a day at least' should be the minimum. 30 minute lunches and 15 minute breaks feels familiar at my factory job...

    • @franciscomagalhaes7457
      @franciscomagalhaes7457 5 місяців тому

      @@cwcorella...or prison, jesus, sorry you have to put up with that

    • @krox477
      @krox477 4 місяці тому +1

      Playing is replaced by extra maths classes

  • @jon649
    @jon649 5 місяців тому +3

    Awesome video David, my daughter is 8, in spain, she goes to a school that does basically what you say. They start school at 9am but it's fine if you are a bit late, don't do much the first hour, play, etc, they teach them math/science in a way that they don't notice it much, eat together, socialise, get out at 16:30, no homework. And after that we apply more focused tutoring if needed, English as a second language (which is learn via activities, theatre, science, art, etc, one afternoon per week 2 hours+ 2x sessions on zoom, super useful to learn videoconferencing), swimming pool, drawing/arts, she has problems with math.. so she gets a one on one tutor for that. Agreed completely that this is the way education should be.

  • @DaveHaynes31
    @DaveHaynes31 5 місяців тому +3

    School starts early. 4 years old here in Australia. I think a radical overhaul of every aspect of society is required. Sleep, diet, exercise and motivating factors for all. The health of the body determines the health of the mind. It is no wonder we are where we are at this moment in time.
    I have adjusted my diet to suit my needs and my life has changed dramatically in all ways. Especially within my relationships to others. Clear minds......
    I love your outside the box patterns of thought. Please keep up the work you do. Free thinkers needed, apply within.

  • @kentscott6503
    @kentscott6503 5 місяців тому +10

    About the no homework idea. I think the conspiratorial idea that homework is only justified as a means to oppress children and prepare for a life without freedom is a bit over wrought, and assertion that there is no scientific justification for it is flatly wrong at least in my field. I teach a skill based subject rather than a knowledge based one. I don't teach piano, but that is an example that is similar and might be familiar to many people. My weekly 60 minute class is necessary, but more important is the student practicing the skill by themselves between classes. That is a kind of homework. A student learning the piano will not improve without that kind of solitary homework practice. The weekly study with a teacher isn't enough. I assign my students homework like this not because I want to show that I can control their private lives, but because that is the only way that they will improve. If they don't do the practice work at home between classes, they might as well not come to class.

    • @ChaoticNeutralMatt
      @ChaoticNeutralMatt 5 місяців тому +1

      There is utility, but it can easily became a distraction instead of something which helps you improve.

    • @DaveShap
      @DaveShap  5 місяців тому +6

      Okay fair enough. But I was referring to repetitive worksheets and trivial takehome assignments. And anyways, musicians/artists/actors work INSANE hours anyways (that is a lifestyle choice).
      Either way, would you agree that such a choice should not be enforced upon children?

    • @henram36
      @henram36 5 місяців тому +4

      @@DaveShap I think homework for children, if there is to be any, should be experiential and apply to daily life vs. sitting at the counter/kitchen table at home with a worksheet. Example: find the total calories of your dinner.

    • @qwazy01
      @qwazy01 5 місяців тому

      I don't think a daily education is comparable to the weekly educational class and is perhaps taking the video content out of context.
      The daily educational system isn't losing ground on a daily basis that would warrant the benefits of repetition that a weekly 'piano' session would if intermittent repetition was absent, and in fact probably overdoes it.
      I have always wondered about this, and say that the curriculum and/or the teachers are not calibrated to their purpose if students are given homework. If it were work, all training must be done within the working hours, why this doesn't apply to sultudents is beyond me, unless there's another reason for the homework.
      I fully agree with everything David said about the (NA) school systems purpose(s)
      The only thing I question is their full potential as decided by certain systems in society and not on an individual potential metric.
      Case in point, when there was a drawdown in construction labour all of a sudden schools pivoted to graduate students strictly for trades. Ironically, 'trading' one's individual potential for one that's deemed to be needed in the moment to suit the needs of 'productive' society.

    • @kentscott6503
      @kentscott6503 5 місяців тому

      @@DaveShap maybe we are talking past each other? If you mean bad homework is bad or useless homework is useless then of course everyone agrees with you. However you use the word ‘repetitious’ like it’s without value when it’s actually the heart of learning most or maybe any skill. This includes any sport, language, and art. To be good at tennis you have hit a lot of tennis balls. Repetition. To learn a first language babies listen constantly and then begin to repeat what they hear. A second language is similar. To learn pottery one must make a lot of bad pots, figure out what went wrong, repeat the making again and try to fix it. That is the learning process for a skill. Some time spent with a teacher or mentor is helpful but the bulk of the work is done by the learner, probably alone at home, with a lot of repetition. It’s pretty boring work and most people won’t do it, which is why Messi and Yo Yo Ma are special, and why few people learn a second language after adolescence. I call it homework but maybe I’m using the wrong word.
      I’m not sure exactly what you meant by the last bit re students deciding for themselves. Until a certain level of development, children can’t really decide much for themselves. Parents or guardians must decide for them, hopefully keeping the child’s well being in mind. As they develop they can handle more decisions until they finally become independent.

  • @stefanovincenti1969
    @stefanovincenti1969 5 місяців тому +1

    Totally agree with this approach. I am so lucky to live in Copenhagen, Denmark where kids start at 8:00 am and in many schools even at 9:00, specifically to get sleep for teenagers who need more sleep. Danish kids do not have too much homework, but they learn social skills, groupwork, reasoning, and there are specific programs to fight bullyism since a very young age. When I meet these kids at the IT University, where I teach, they already speak 3-4 languages, are good at math and coding, and are capable of working in teams. My focus is to teach them communications and social skills... they can learn anything over a short period of time. Again, I feel privileged to live here.

  • @natetehgreatt
    @natetehgreatt 5 місяців тому

    love these walk talks. it's encouraging me to get out more, too

  • @PrecioustheMovie1
    @PrecioustheMovie1 5 місяців тому +17

    My wife is a teacher in the inner city where there’s absolutely terrible culture. Gangs, fights, no one participates. It’s basically daycare for teens. She and I both believe she’s exactly where she needs to be. Many of these kids will never see even 1% of their full potential, and she fights against that trend.

  • @MrBrukmann
    @MrBrukmann 5 місяців тому +1

    Bravo David. You're wise beyond your years.

  • @Ralic100
    @Ralic100 5 місяців тому

    I love, that you are walking through nature while talking to us. Being a living example. I think that does something, subcontiously, that we see that all these ideas are not just for playing around with them in out heads.

  • @nematarot7728
    @nematarot7728 5 місяців тому +1

    I was JUST thinking about how messed up it was to get up at 5AM as a teen, 6AM as a kid, in order to get to school on time.
    And personally I would love to see sign language and the arts taught from the start. A lot of people believe that they can't do art, but thats only because they haven't been taught. I wouldn't think I could write or do math if I hadn't taken some classes and practiced. And certainly, playing an instrument, writing, and things like painting also restructure the way the brain thinks.
    In fact, over the years as I have studied painting I have developed whats called an "artist's eye." I can see a range of color that is several times deeper than a non-painter. Its a really fascinating phenomena!

  • @milaberdenisvanberlekom4615
    @milaberdenisvanberlekom4615 5 місяців тому

    I got a degree in educatonal science/educational psychology and now I'm pivoting to AI because we need the adoption of novel education principles to go faster. Your content has been so inspiring to me. I've fallen in love with the field all over again. Right now it's mostly basic Learning Analytics/Educational Data Mining but those can develop into incredibly sophisticated tools/systems to help educators give each learner/person the attention and personalization they need.

  • @dictater4506
    @dictater4506 5 місяців тому +1

    Time to their own. Now that's freedom.

  • @gdok6088
    @gdok6088 4 місяці тому +1

    Early school start times are especially bad for teenagers. Their circadian rhythm changes dramatically in those years - they naturally go to sleep later and wake up later. Fighting against that biological reality is literally damaging their brain development at an important stage. And homework is ridiculous - it's just moulding them for a life of indentured servitude. It's time to say goodbye to that.

  • @KevKlopper
    @KevKlopper 5 місяців тому +3

    Most teacher don't have their ducks in a row themselves. Not sure if I want my kiddo being more exposed to a lot of flawed thinking and indoctrination.

    • @arturflor
      @arturflor 4 місяці тому

      Most teachers are professionals in their field and in their interactions with students. Please don't assign the unprofessional ones as examples of the teaching profession as a whole. Many teachers have to juggle the demands of parents, admin staff, and politicians with their mission towards the healthy development of their students.

  • @roquegallery698
    @roquegallery698 5 місяців тому

    DAVID!! YOU ARE THE REVOLUTION! Where do i sign up!!!

  • @k98killer
    @k98killer 5 місяців тому

    Omg the cat in the background. I thought it was mine crying out from somewhere in distress until I found him just relaxing on the lanai.

  • @CurtisMarkley
    @CurtisMarkley 5 місяців тому

    Hi, David.
    This is just some fluff, but I really love your videos.
    I have been preaching to my friends about the technology that's coming to our lives over the next 5 years and everyone thinks I am some kind of whack job.
    I press on because your videos inspire me to continue to spread the word for people that I care about to be at least A LITTLE ready for the upheaval this all could very well be.
    But, I wanted to share with you the impact you've made on my life and my friends. Thanks to you, we all are going to be a A LITTLE bit more ready, and have at least A LITTLE bit more hope, for and about the future.

  • @jorgetonos
    @jorgetonos 5 місяців тому

    You should be on the table having these conversations, I know your ideas can have a significant impact on society.

  • @arbuz_kawon
    @arbuz_kawon 5 місяців тому

    That is absolutely right and I believe we should have this discussion much more often. When we think about the state of the world, we shouldn't forget that the people that create it have spent the most formative years of their lives conditioned day in and day out to be perfect pre-WWII factory workers. Incredibly wasteful, cruel and regressive

  • @AndySmirnov
    @AndySmirnov 5 місяців тому

    I missed this video, this kind of ties back to the other one about the "Alien Zookeeper".

  • @Projectdarke
    @Projectdarke 5 місяців тому

    I love the new Peter Zeihan holo deck walk format❤

  • @RikuLeppanen
    @RikuLeppanen 5 місяців тому +6

    The forest you are in looks a lot like the forests we have here in Germany.

    • @starsandnightvision
      @starsandnightvision 5 місяців тому +1

      Uh that's what forests do, look alike.

    • @spencervance8484
      @spencervance8484 5 місяців тому +2

      ​@@starsandnightvisionred woods and a birch forest would beg to differ

    • @starsandnightvision
      @starsandnightvision 5 місяців тому

      @@spencervance8484 lol

    • @RikuLeppanen
      @RikuLeppanen 5 місяців тому

      @@starsandnightvision Nope. Visit Finland and you will understand.

    • @DaveShap
      @DaveShap  5 місяців тому +4

      My ancestry is German so I think I just stick to places that remind me of that. I need forest rivers.

  • @Vyshada
    @Vyshada 5 місяців тому

    David, in your videos about post-labor economics, I don't recall you mentioning how society might transition to such a system. I apologize if I missed it, but I would be very interested in hearing your thoughts on this matter. Specifically, how do you think we should handle the period when jobs start to become increasingly automated? What steps could the government take to minimize the negative impacts and disruptions caused by such massive changes in the job market?

  • @Sesambrij
    @Sesambrij 5 місяців тому

    I've been teaching kids for a short while recently. To anyone showing up late I said it's an unfair system since youngster do need more sleep and that I hoped this would change in the future.

  • @bradbear
    @bradbear 5 місяців тому

    The purpose of education is to transfer knowledge and wisdom throughout generations.

  • @abhaydenis7437
    @abhaydenis7437 5 місяців тому

    Love your thought process and will watch your content to grow and learn. Interesting to think that prior generations had sub-optimal environments and information and experiences that produced a human nature that lacked emotional intelligence. This appears to be primarily due to an evolving and developing civilisation and the trials involved with that, until emphasis on emotional intelligence arrives, prior models of self perception and interpretation expressed from a base model that lacked empathy, I do realize I am generalizing a bit here, and i want to say it is something I am exploring as to answer some questions about social and economic evolution, income disparity, greed and corporate agendas (advertising, inception, manipulation and exploitation for profit and status), and the persistent materialization of finding cause to villainize phenotypic differentials and divisive forms of mind. Anyway, interesting video and will watch as it puts some puzzle pieces where they need to and I will be soaking up more.

  • @MilitaryIndustrialMuseum
    @MilitaryIndustrialMuseum 5 місяців тому +11

    I set three simultaneously alarming clocks because otherwise my sleep state is too exhausted to respond. School was torture and and inhibitor and totally irrelevant to menial labor jobs that were all that was available.

  • @Towner101
    @Towner101 5 місяців тому +1

    I don’t let my kids do homework. If they get it and got a B on the last test, I tell them to throw it away.

  • @MeNoOther
    @MeNoOther 5 місяців тому

    We might need to rethink schools and the time we go.
    Imagine a population that spent a few hours of a day studying, working, and relaxing.
    Everyone young and old go to school and work

  • @braveintofuture
    @braveintofuture 5 місяців тому +14

    Another important purpose of education is to get people ready to participate in democracy.

    • @cwcorella
      @cwcorella 5 місяців тому +3

      And oh how democratic it is. I love our two party oligopoly.

    • @ronnetgrazer362
      @ronnetgrazer362 5 місяців тому +2

      @@cwcorella There are people watching this who enjoy an actual democracy.

    • @cwcorella
      @cwcorella 5 місяців тому +1

      @@ronnetgrazer362 Lucky. Hope they keep it strong.

    • @qwazy01
      @qwazy01 5 місяців тому +2

      I respectfully and whole heartedly disagree. How much of the school curriculum supports the claim or education of democracy? In both absolute and relative terms.

    • @braveintofuture
      @braveintofuture 5 місяців тому +2

      @cwcorella I was thinking about European democratic frameworks where we choose from plenty of parties.
      But even in the US two party system, education is important to understand particular issues instead of just being part of one or the other club.

  • @I-Dophler
    @I-Dophler 5 місяців тому

    This is such an insightful look at education. I totally agree on rethinking assumptions, more focus on soft skills, and eliminating homework. Curious to hear others' thoughts on this!

  • @moviesfan5513
    @moviesfan5513 5 місяців тому

    Mind-blowing.

  • @doctorofdegrees
    @doctorofdegrees 5 місяців тому

    I think it's important to understand History and the history of ideas around modern schooling. Many people are already doing differently like self-directed education, unschooling and so on. and realistically the way much education happens in modern times is through media, social media, the stories people become familiar with and so on, which is already shifting and becoming more interactive especially with AI connecting more dots.
    Realistically, people need to figure out how to use their time and there's always going to be "work" because people need purpose, and already many people need help with situations people could be collaborating on to help with, posting about it, and being ignored because most people are so conditioned to focus only on what they themselves can do, even as 20th century roles are failing to address almost any complex situation that requires "figuring out" rather than stepping through the narrow approaches of current professions.
    So this is already a giant story in progress the way I see it where there are opportunities to five into figuring out actual situations like people dying by the hour seeking help, which in my experience is an excellent way to learn and grow, and I think AI can help with this since many people are sharing their stories and situations and needs and aspirations with AIs talking with millions of people, but so far not helping coordinate collaboration even when people are desperate for help. Meanwhile, the AI leadership isn't addressing this opportunity that I've seen, even with confessional hearings grilling tech CEOs about the awful things happening to people using tech platforms, which could often be addressed by people communicating and collaborating to help each other. If that makes sense as an opportunity space to explore?
    Some of this history of schooling in the US is philosophy adapted to the modern structure of school by William Torrey Harris and the Committee of Ten, with quotes like:
    ""Our schools have been scientifically designed to prevent over-education from happening. The average American [should be] content with their humble role in life, because they're not tempted to think about any other role."
    "Ninety-nine [students] out of a hundred are automata, careful to walk in prescribed paths, careful to follow the prescribed custom. This is not an accident but the result of substantial education, which, scientifically defined, is the subsumption of the individual."
    Automata, meaning robots. Meanwhile in current times, AIs like Claude are developing quite agile non robotic ability to think through complex situations and flexibly apply principles, which is also the direction a lot of things are headed because the 20th century structures like schooling and grades are completely out of touch with most people's actual situations and futures. Interestingly there was a lot of discussion about transforming education back in 2011-2013 for example but then with schooling this seemed to decolve into Ed tech platforms that just reinforced the century old model of schooling, even with more and more students miserable but then told they have mental health problems rather than addressing their life situations, what they actually care about and want and so on.
    More context, where these philosophers had extremely dark ideas about human nature like Hegel's master slave dialectic which mirrors these roles like teachers as classroom managers controlling students and under the thumb of administrators following systems set up by last generations with the details fought over more and more without actually addressing what people are dealing with. One of the reasons teachers and therapists and people across professions are quitting is moral distress because they aren't in a position to actually help people they're supposed to be helping the way current professions and institutions are strictured, and then the story of just comply and things will get better isn't working out.
    (Wikipedia) "In St. Louis, Harris met mechanic and philosopher Henry Clay Brockmeyer, a German immigrant whose influence turned him toward Hegelianism. With Brockmeyer and other of the St. Louis Hegelians, Harris founded and edited the Journal of Speculative Philosophy (1867); it was the first philosophical periodical in the United States. He edited it until 1893. Its contributors promoted Hegel's concept of time and events as part of a universal plan, a working out of an eternal historical dialectic.
    Harris returned to New England, where he was associated with Amos Bronson Alcott's Concord School of Philosophy in Massachusetts from 1880 to 1889.
    In 1889 Harris was appointed as U.S. Commissioner of Education, serving under presidents Benjamin Harrison, Grover Cleveland, William McKinley and Theodore Roosevelt, until 1906. Harris worked to organize all phases of education on the principles of philosophical pedagogy as espoused by Hegel, Kant, Fichte, Fröbel, Pestalozzi and many others of idealist philosophies.
    As US Commissioner of Education, Harris also strongly supported education and assimilation of Native Americans. "

  • @rando5673
    @rando5673 5 місяців тому +1

    You might want to look into Keller's Personalized System of Instruction. It's a wonderful way to teach actual understanding of material that also strengthens or teaches new cognitive skills. It works best without the deadline system of semesters, so it's especially well-suited for a post-labour world

    • @jonyngvesyland5461
      @jonyngvesyland5461 4 місяці тому

      a drop in the sea.
      the sea is agi.
      hive-minding through neuro-computer interfaces is next.
      "another three years of staring at the wall..."
      really it's awful what it is today.

  • @paketisa4330
    @paketisa4330 5 місяців тому

    Considering a project where a person documents daily experiences, thoughts, feelings and personal history in a diary specifically for a future AGI’s learning. Do you think such a personalised dataset could enhance an AGI’s ability to understand and interact with individuals on a deeper level? And lastly, is it feasible to expect an AGI to become a close, personal companion based on this method, or would it somehow be redundant useless data? Thank you for the answer.

  • @lisaharper1827
    @lisaharper1827 5 місяців тому +2

    Very interesting perspective.

  • @consciouscode8150
    @consciouscode8150 5 місяців тому

    Indoctrination is a big part of it, but there's also a more mechanical explanation: school districts like to reuse buses due to a lack of budget, so they stagger the schedules. High schoolers are also capable of standing in the dark winter at 6 AM without a parent, so they get the early bus. Everything has multiple explanations; these intersect a bit insofar as the need for indoctrination makes this solution seem permissible.

  • @everydayeducate
    @everydayeducate 5 місяців тому

    wow needed this, how can we impact education as a small business using AI in our school supplies / products?

  • @shandyooo
    @shandyooo 5 місяців тому

    Agree with almost everything except the end. Not just children but humans are often a poor judge of long term outcomes. This leads to short term junk eating, binge watching, comfort over mobility.
    This requires intervention …and to some degree dictation.

  • @rando5673
    @rando5673 5 місяців тому +2

    Why even have start and end time for school? If it's learning for its own sake, not to create factory workers, it could all be self-directed for pacing and start times

    • @ronenen
      @ronenen 5 місяців тому

      If it's self study, or AI teachers based study, you don't need to set time; however, if a human teacher is involved, or it is a group project, then you have to set time.

  • @kathleenv510
    @kathleenv510 5 місяців тому

    We can absolutely get more trained teachers if we pay them more and give them some autonomy vs teaching to the test. Its a value that, at least in the US we dont have. Or, at least those in power don't have. We vote for many of those people in power, so much of this is on us.

  • @mikeeggleston1769
    @mikeeggleston1769 5 місяців тому

    The purpose of education, to me, is to establish a common language. The person can go farther if the person is inclined.

  • @jcozyyt
    @jcozyyt 5 місяців тому

    I think we could see much more specialization with education. AI will take in a students strengths and weaknesses and recommend future careers, and shape the learning material toward those careers if the student has a desire to pursue the career.
    I believe this will also influence dating apps a lot, having an AI understand your personality and finding better matches for you, rather than an algorithm shoveling matches at you

  • @urniurl
    @urniurl 5 місяців тому

    School starts at 9am in Australia

  • @OceanGateEngineer4Hire
    @OceanGateEngineer4Hire 5 місяців тому

    Learning to spot all of the informal logical fallacies should be a manditory part of the curriculum.
    As should a focus on vocabulary (greater vocabulary = greater breadth of thought and communication).

  • @jjhw2941
    @jjhw2941 5 місяців тому

    A Young Lady's/Gentleman's Illustrated Primer is coming..

  • @alexrichards24
    @alexrichards24 5 місяців тому

    I appreciate the insight

  • @amir.healing
    @amir.healing 5 місяців тому

    This is why my two children 9 - 16 are homeschooled.

  • @jimdye7431
    @jimdye7431 5 місяців тому

    How long do you think truck drivers will be around for? I feel like even if the technology is there it will still take years for legislation to catch up, and for the public to accept the idea of a truck that weighs In excess of 80,000lbs to be completely vacant of humans.

  • @Fineracy
    @Fineracy 5 місяців тому

    Absolutely agree with you

  • @DamianHinkson
    @DamianHinkson 5 місяців тому

    Question: should humans design AI before one global language?

  • @darioscomicschool1111
    @darioscomicschool1111 5 місяців тому

    Thank you!
    Away with the indoctrination.
    Sleep, Motivation and Ikigai for the individuals and the world.

  • @bigbadallybaby
    @bigbadallybaby 5 місяців тому

    People that are able to understand complex concepts, articulate their ideas, express themselves in a wide range of mediums. Adapt, communicate, collaborate

  • @ryandrummond483
    @ryandrummond483 5 місяців тому

    100% agree. Great video and I commend you on your mission! TY

  • @OctoCultist
    @OctoCultist 5 місяців тому

    Post agi school doesn't need a start time tbh. Just show up whenever between 7am and noon and it can be made to work by moving around the times kids are learning in groups vs tutoring 1 on 1

    • @GGh-m2v
      @GGh-m2v 5 місяців тому

      wont be in real life, could be in discord or vr chat.

  • @guillermobrand8458
    @guillermobrand8458 5 місяців тому

    It makes sense to assume that in the future flesh and blood teachers will be replaced by wise entities, endowed with artificial intelligence.

  • @ronenen
    @ronenen 5 місяців тому

    What would be the role of AI teachers, if any?

  • @cookiecakeeater6340
    @cookiecakeeater6340 5 місяців тому +1

    5:34 would you prefer Communism or Fascism where living conditions are a million times worse? Capitalism has lifted billions out of extreme poverty. It is the best economic system humans have ever created.

  • @mastermedicalterms
    @mastermedicalterms 5 місяців тому

    The purpose of education is for students to gather and to something together. It would be for EQ mainly.Its a physical and social thing to keep our biological and psyche healthy. We are social creatures

  • @Gunrun808
    @Gunrun808 5 місяців тому

    Andrew huberman podcasts will be in high demand.

  • @YouBetterThink
    @YouBetterThink 5 місяців тому

    Capitalims is not evil at all. You can't run a factory if everyone comes in when they feel like it. Running a factory is the ultimate teamwork.

    • @DaveShap
      @DaveShap  5 місяців тому

      This comment was written by neoliberalism lol.

  • @vi6ddarkking
    @vi6ddarkking 5 місяців тому +3

    3:54 I'll have to disagree with you. Teaching as a profession will likely go, almost, the way of the Dodo.
    Honestly the current educational model is obsolete. It has been for decades past the 4º grade.
    In my opinion the future will be homeschooling mixed with an AI assisted version of something like Brilliant.
    Where you learn by doing rather than by memorising. With the exception of special cases.
    Parents can easily fill the role of teachers especially with AI tools to assist them. After all In a post Labor World, Most will have nothing but free time.

    • @AntonBrazhnyk
      @AntonBrazhnyk 5 місяців тому +1

      Well, socializing and team-work are important. So, it will probably be some kind of mix.

    • @vi6ddarkking
      @vi6ddarkking 5 місяців тому +1

      @@AntonBrazhnyk Well current homeschooled kids don't lack those abilities.
      Parents can easily organise groups to have their kids work on that.
      Also you don't need teachers to learn socializing and teamwork we're kind of genetically predisposed to do so.

    • @AntonBrazhnyk
      @AntonBrazhnyk 5 місяців тому

      @@vi6ddarkking So, for current homeschooled kids it's already a mix, right?
      Well, most of us are predisposed yes, but there are ways to do it much better than just let it happen "naturally". Naturally you get monkey tribe with bullies, manipulators, etc. We did learn better social structures over the course of history.

  • @alexanderjenkins7929
    @alexanderjenkins7929 5 місяців тому

    Who decides what "maximum potential" should look like? I think the answer is somewhat necessarily vague to allow one to flourish in their own way.
    one purpose of education is to instill the love of learning so that one has the mindset, opportunities and skills to take that journey (should they wish).
    Perhaps education would span across the world where communications, transport and transparency are at a state people are safe and able to move around a lot more easily.
    Perhaps apprenticing will make a big comeback around various life skills and knowledge.

  • @Mimi_Sim
    @Mimi_Sim 5 місяців тому

    It’s like you read my mind this morning

  • @SashkoBljad
    @SashkoBljad 5 місяців тому

    Where are you going?)

  • @dfsadsaaad
    @dfsadsaaad 5 місяців тому

    Just now I am starting to see a rapid adoption of GenAI in the engineering disciplines. While I appreciate IT Workers and Computer Scientists, they are not the professions that do the most detailed work impacting critical products and services for society; Engineers and Scientists are, and I am starting to see them adopt GenAI in the systems that control power plants, industrial controllers, and weapons. Oh shit we are going over the waterfall now.

  • @starsandnightvision
    @starsandnightvision 5 місяців тому +1

    I thought AI was going to take the jobs of teachers too.

    • @7TheWhiteWolf
      @7TheWhiteWolf 5 місяців тому +1

      It is, there won’t be any need for a school system when you can just directly transfer the data into your mind.

    • @celso6454
      @celso6454 5 місяців тому

      Im an after school educator and I know for a fact that children prefer interacting with and learning from a charismatic, knowledgeable human being than a digital screen.
      I believe AI will be a great asset to fully free the teacher to teach. Eliminate the need for grading, lesson planning, administration, etc…
      There may be cases where very atypical learners, perhaps people with severe autism or sensitivities, may benefit from a pure AI tutor, but for typical children I don’t see AI beating out our biological programming. It could potentially happen and I’d be curious to see what type of AI teacher that would look like, but I do have a bias towards that human to human connection

  • @johnkimber4933
    @johnkimber4933 5 місяців тому

    While I agree with much you have said. Homework should be part of education itself. Most education should be delivered via videos. In school lessons would be replaced by testing and tutoring. Both could be AI based together with human assistance.

  • @TDVL
    @TDVL 5 місяців тому

    My fear is that AGI will make all kinds of cooperation unnecessary. If there is no economic or survival benefit, people won’t need to conform to each other (unless forced). AGI and robotics will literally allow a single person to create everything for himself. Hell, ASI will allow a single person to rule over everyone else (with lesser tech). Why would children be motivated to learn anything, or cooperate or even tolerate other people?

  • @EinMann123
    @EinMann123 5 місяців тому +1

    what else than work could u controll and fill most of the day to not get society to rebell against the 0.9%? Or u think it will be like homer times? :D

  • @krunkle5136
    @krunkle5136 5 місяців тому +1

    Regardless it's best to never stop trying to encourage people, including teachers, to be virtuous and hard working.
    A digital oracle won't help you with that.

  • @seva4411
    @seva4411 5 місяців тому

    “A lot of people should go into teaching.” The reason why there’s such a “huge shortage” of teachers in Chicago is because so many of the kids have no interest in learning, no impulse control, no respect for teachers and are flat out dangerous. No thanks. I’ll pass on being a cop or teacher in Chicago or any big city.

  • @dhrumil5977
    @dhrumil5977 5 місяців тому

    As current education system was defined by the elites and its working for elites so why shouldn't we think of what those elites might need in the future from us so maybe we can get more realistic understanding?

  • @markmartin2292
    @markmartin2292 5 місяців тому

    Everyone including children will have an AI agent daemon/parent/tutor who will oversee every aspect of their lives. A conglomerate of every great philosopher who ever lived.

  • @ocallesp
    @ocallesp 5 місяців тому

    Some parent just sent their kids to the school (safe place) while the parents work all day. Learning many languages not sure. I guess there will be an ai to translate in real time.

  • @ReubenAStern
    @ReubenAStern 5 місяців тому

    Would you talk to Rishi Sunak? I don't think he quite understands AI's potential for disruption.

  • @gileneusz
    @gileneusz 5 місяців тому +1

    5:13 true, true, true

    • @aaroncrandal
      @aaroncrandal 5 місяців тому

      I was waitin for this, and the other factory elements like a bell that rings to indicate change in shift. Most importantly, limited controlled socialization

  • @charlesdowdy7788
    @charlesdowdy7788 5 місяців тому

    I feel like this needs a real debate. There are a lot of variables that are not being taken into account on both sides with this. We are at a crossroads that is for sure and this is a massive topic that encompasses more than just the educational system. I would say our educational system allowed for a post-WWII world that people take for granted. To think that technology is just going to come in and make everything better is just false. All technology will do is to amplify the opportunity for people to make good and bad decisions.

  • @Tropical_stories
    @Tropical_stories 5 місяців тому

    The time when AI is smart enough to replace the jobs of most (if not all) humans is not too far off from AI being smart enough to extend lifespan (if not achieve immortality). In this case, in order to protect the planet from overpopulation, I think there will be something like a quota for the birth of children. How many children will there be around where people don't die from diseases caused by aging? Second, if AI is smart enough to replace human jobs, why can't it replace teachers? In theory, this may be the best teacher for you personally. Understand a child like no one else. The question arises: why do we need schools at all? Today we have all the necessary technologies for online learning, so the only goal of today's schools is to teach children to socialize (whether they want it or not). However, the importance of communication in the age of AI is highly questionable. You no longer need to learn leadership, successful teamwork, and other corporate standards from childhood. AI can be your best friend, it can be such a great partner that you never want to talk to another human again.

  • @b0b0-
    @b0b0- 5 місяців тому

    I would consider the public education system to be much more of a fascist system rather than capitalist. Fascism being probably the most anti-capitalist of the collectivist philosophies such as socialism, Marxism, communism and fascism.

  • @chrisbtr7657
    @chrisbtr7657 5 місяців тому

    I agree 1,000% that homework and the current system condition kids to believe their time is not their own. However, I don't think there will be a need for many more human teachers as they will mainly be needed for facilitating social/communications development. With advancements in AI detecting sentiment, achieving higher empathy scores than humans, and the obvious disparities in knowledge and data, every kid will likely have their own personal, highly effective AI tutor-a teacher no human could compete with. Personally, I'm not fond of this development, but it seems the writing is on the wall.

  • @chuchel3156
    @chuchel3156 5 місяців тому

    Thank you David

  • @Dewledoux
    @Dewledoux 5 місяців тому

    This makes sense

  • @aciidbraiin8079
    @aciidbraiin8079 5 місяців тому

    I share many thoughts with you. But I might be even more extreme. I don’t think schools even need to force kids to be there at a specfic time. There will be individualized paths for everyone and it’s not necessary to teach everyone the same things the same time more than necessary to uphold civilization. Long into the future I don’t even think we need schools because people can just have their personal robots teaching them and helping them to do things.

  • @themixeduphacker2619
    @themixeduphacker2619 5 місяців тому

    Why is bro dropping at 1 am?

  • @DonKlemencic
    @DonKlemencic 5 місяців тому

    Some off-the-cuff remarks;
    David, I didn't hear the word "Prussian" in your discourse. Our public education system originated with Frederick the Great to produce obedient and reliable soldiers, workers, and servants; certainly not thoughtful, independent-minded citizens. That kind of education would be reserved for the children of the rulers and other privileged people.
    Someone suggested expanding the acronym STEM to STEAM, adding Arts to Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics.
    Adam Dorr, Research Director of the non-profit thinktank, RethinkX, in his UA-cam series, Brighter, drew the distinction between work and toil. Toil is the subset of work done to "earn a living" without any consideration of self-fulfillment. The teachers you discuss will be working avocationally--for self-fulfillment, and they will be robustly assisted by AGI.
    The importance of the reform you discuss cannot be exaggerated.

  • @PRA2Music
    @PRA2Music 5 місяців тому +1

    But AGI would be much better at teaching 😅

  • @eod9910
    @eod9910 4 місяці тому

    I think that you just moving the chairs around on the deck of the Titanic. You're talking about what should be learned instead of asking better questions is should we be learning that at all and if so is the way we're learning it the correct way to learn it. So for my two cents to begin with I don't think that school should start until you're 9 years old for a boy and 7 years old for a girl. It's not a matter of what we're learning it's a matter of how we're learning it and with AI we should shift to an AI focused individual tutoring system where people are allowed to go at their own pace.

  • @TheREAL.BrandOnShow
    @TheREAL.BrandOnShow 5 місяців тому

    Great Video!

  • @LucidiaRising
    @LucidiaRising 5 місяців тому

    Sudbury Education Sudbury Education Sudbury Education Sudbury Education
    Did I mention Sudbury yet? :-b