If someone ten - or even five - years ago said to me we actually might manage to defeat aging before the end of the century, I would have laughed at them. Look at me now, made into a massive fool by world in less than a decade, and being glad for it. What a time to be alive.
When I was a kid I didn't think cds would replace cassettes... once I realized I wrong I decided to never make an assumption of tech not advancing ever again.
@@julius43461 Personally I don't see accepting mortality and reversing aging as mutually exclusive. I have done a fair bit of DMT and I'm pretty excited to find out what happens after death, but definitely nervous too because it's unknown. I just think it would be fun to live a lot longer first.
@@julius43461 Exactly yeah. As Terrance McKenna said, the idea of living as long as I want appeals to me, however if we don't die I'm worried we might be missing the entire point.
Imagine how differently people would look at protecting our biosphere if they realized they could be immortal, and would have to deal with the long term consequences of their own pollution and waste.
Well, it’s not reality yet - so by definition it’s still science fiction - but clearly we are getting at least a bit closer. As per usual, they over estimate it.
@@exmodule6323To the exent that we don't know if the mind or brain is finite / has a upper bound no matter what you do. If it's possible to replace the brain over time with silicon, then there may never be an uperbound till the mind is ready for it's final sleep. But even then... life expectancy has on a ramp up, (potentially exponential) in the 1800s, it's werid to live past 35. Now, people arn't having kids till they are in their 30s.
Eternal gamer sounds amazing. Especially with where gaming has been going recently. Even with current VR, if you combine it with LLM powered NPC, living that second life in a different world does not feel that far away.
The thing that's really missing is amazing multiplayer experience. More games need multiplayer that's functional and fun and communities that aren't either standard-toxic or toxic-positivity. I would still player singleplayer but it would get stale fast.
It wouldn't just be gaming, either. Could have education, be in a cross-game organization, etc. while also being able to be in any kind of body want to be in at that time.
Eternal youth and no money worries? I'd probably have cycles of 10 years where i change focus from one way of living to another. Travel, gaming, taking classes, being creative, learning new trades, partying, romance, family, pioneering in space. Overall, I want to become a wizard and know a lot about a lot. I'm 37 now, so its hard to say if I'll live to see longevity escape velocity. Here's to hoping.
Eternal Gamer here. And while i get why you went for the idea of nostalgia and people reliving their Halo days. My take is that it's all about pushing exploration to new extremes. With Ai generated worlds, and at one point full dive vr, it's basically an endless trove of lifelike world filled with magic, adventure, and stuff that's impossible irl begging to be discovered, explored, and interacted with. I like real life, but if i can ride on the back of dragons while conducting a siege before lunch, heck yeah i'm going to do it!
I agree! The flip side is that a computer virus will be able to give you infinite pain for what feels like an infinite time. With no chance of escaping.
I want to combine all of these together! I just couldn't imagine have none of any of them. I thought of one more ... The scholar lifestyle - either researching for personal growth or into a rare niche field
I'm hoping to combine or a live a combination of lifestyles. I'm definitely going to travel and probably live for decades in certain parts of the world. If I'm able to live in a commune and increase skills along my travels, that's what I would like to achieve. Thanks for your interest in helping others. Love your channel.
I'm always surprised that people don't seem to consider artificial wombs as a solution to the population problem. Plenty of genetic materials are available 😊
@@theWACKIIRAQI China maybe because of their state 'ban' / control on religion and culture. Japanese culture on the other hand is much different. Motherless babies would be a cultural shock in Japan and Korea. It would really be a problem. They would move more towards meda humans and robot servants. Technology has always been nearly worshiped, but the health of the *family* is ingrained in the culture. If you have not visited Japan I *strongly* recommend it!
I'd prefer full bio robotics at that point. Why raise a kid alone when you can make the perfect spouse. And trusting any form of government no matter the era or tech is a folly. Hmmmmm more arms and digitigrade from the thighs down.
Of course the kids would still have a mother, only gestation and birth would be outsourced to the artificial womb and everything else would be the same.
I believe i already live like some will on a future with long lives. Moved to Japan, everyday is like traveling but without moving. Started VR company, , mentally teleport anywhere i want anytime. Live in a country town, i can still be a hobit while being mentally mobike. Live in a community, our company members all live in the same house. Enjoying partying, the town has many good pubs and food is fantastic. Took me 64 years to realise this so hope medicine development will start speeding up soon :)
I'm so excited for this future, and while I'm trying to keep my expectations in check and stay wary when it comes to the dystopian possibilities, I also just can't really fathom how the world won't be completely sci-fi in even just a few decades from now. With that said, I'm a storyteller/artist and a gamer above all else, and I just cannot wait for the combination of VR and AI to get to a point that I can basically live in my own virtual world, with an Ai assistant who can literally give me the tools and help needed to create anything I could possibly imagine and more. Like imagine building your dream house from the ground up - every detail perfectly planned out - or recreating your favourite childhood home that you thought you'd never see again, or even just telling the AI to create an entire immersive game based on a specific set of criteria, and then getting to experience it in ultra-real VR. You could even recreate your favourite game or movie and take the place of one of the characters! The possibilities are virtually endless and it would be so fulfilling.
I'd be happy to try all of these lifestyles on rotation. As someone who has just recently started looking into the longevity field, I honestly cannot imagine anything better than for the human race to create a treatment that will help us stay youthful for as long as we want to live. Considering the breakthroughs that are being made, it's bizarre the lack of attention and public funding that the longevity field recieves. And I find it equally strange just how cynical (not on this video, but in the comments section of others) many are about the potential of longevity treatment. Sure, there will be social changes to deal with, but when the alternative is to suffer the horrors of aging and then die, I will gladly deal with any change that's coming. Personally, at 42, I don't think LEV will arrive in time for me. But I dearly hope to be proven wrong. If both Dave and I are here in a hundred years time, I'll be happy to buy him a meal and he can spend the whole time telling me "I told you so"!
You missed a big one- frequency treatments are a true panacea. I am currently cancelling my lifetime infection with Staphallococus epidermidis using a rife frequency machine. I’m not surprised cause I’ve been expecting longevity escape velocity, but I’m just thrilled and blessed to be already experiencing it. You don’t know what it can mean to a person to be freed from a lifetime of degenerative disease (that almost killed me). it’s like almost like heaven on earth. and the machine was only $500
Thanks for the summary David - Very exciting times - I would definitely do a combination - travelling, gaming, learning as much as I could over time. Then, much further long term, assuming we have sufficient technological advances - taking that travelling to the next level with interstellar planet hopping, space stations, new worlds... :)
David, some of us are already experiencing this longevity, escape velocity, activation as you speak, because we are biohacking our bodies. I have successfully have made my body, healthy, young looking, and my cognitive ability to that of a teen girl. But I want to learn as much as I can because this is so exciting field. I want to see where this is going. I want to be part of this I want educate and other people on it I hope that opportunity will be extended to me because I could benefit humanity.
If I had indefinite lifespan, I'd be something between the spiritual ruralite and master craftsman archetypes you described. I'd dedicate myself to art.
One of your best videos to this day. You've overlooked a really important point at least for me in sports. 1. Not only can one play certain kinds of sports for a very long time without getting replaced by younger athletes but one master many different kinds of sport, achieve godlike physiques and physical abilities. 2. Traditional sports won't die as fast or will even rise in members. 3. Stars like Christiano Ronaldo or Tom Brady will have the opportunity to play as long as they want or as long as there are no real better players (not due to age driven fall downs) And probably many more social developements
Maybe I will have time to work through my large collection of Math and Physics books. I have been thinning my book collection, but I have been keeping the math, physics, philosophy and novels just in case I end up with lots of time to make use of them.
Thanks for a great analysis! I would definitely also add meditation/spirituality. After sitting meditation, a leg cramp is a beautiful, intense experience, as is the ability to move again! I’m also curious about the future possibility of upgrading ourselves, mentally and physically. I was actually just thinking about creating my own house in nature right before the ‘Craftsman Mastery’ section, but I have very low spatial and mathematical IQ. If gene therapy could help make us intellectually more formidable and well rounded, then I think we would have a lot of excitement about the future due to all the potential things we could do ourselves with that added mental bandwidth
Dammit your idea of the future is so comically utopian and optimistic, especially compared to a lot of people like the folks over at (r/collapse on reddit), yet I like this aggressive optimism. All for the best in the next 20 years!
One area I never see you mention is sports. I think all kinds of sport will become massive when no o r needs to work. Watching, playing, coaching. I see every minor sport becoming much bigger with full time athletes all over every country.
I want to live in some combo of Bilbo Baggins life + social commune but with a major focus on fitness. If I could have an amazing outdoor gym in the sun and just workout for 8 hours a day I absolutely would!
I’m very well on the way to achieving longevity escape velocity right now as I’m getting younger, mentally and physically. I have a few questions? 1. How do I preoccupied myself from getting bored? 2. And how do I make my money, immortal?
These are all great ideas, but getting to the end game from where we currently sit will be incredibly painful. AI can also be a double edged sword where it takes control and displaces organic humanoids with something more efficient/less destructive.
I'd personally love to become a hermit for a decade or so and just take the time to find some peace, enjoy the fresh air and a slow, quiet life for a while. Afterwards maybe I might want to party hard for a while before going back to my quiet hermit life, or joining a commune or natal pod and having kids lol. While watching this I had this idea that if strict regulations aren't imposed on population control like they were in that one episode of Love Death + Robots, people may actually opt to have a certain number of kids but at very long intervals of time (since there's no rush), like say having kids and raising them every few centuries. So say they may want to have 2 or 3 kids every 100 or 200 years, raising them, nurturing them and when the kids are old enough they either leave or remain with the family unit and may also choose a similar cycle for having children of their own should they want any.
Re: Hospital Collapse and time. I was admitted into the hospital when I had my tonsils out and then the next time, I had to go to a hospital was due to a car accident.... seventy one years later. So, I see your point about collapsing.
My ideal future is owning a Star Trek starship complete with holodeck and replicators, exploring the world, doing creative physical and mental work, and playing games with friends in both real and virtual realities.
for me personally its going to be all about creativity in the coding sector. having so much assistance by ai in terms of coding versus having to code and figure out all the minor details is like eating bread with or without butter.
Wonderful overview - clear, concise, and comprehensive. In answer to the question, I see myself as a "hybrid lifestyler" with a hobbit-like home base and a penchant for global travel that includes yearly tastings of all of the lifestyles covered in the presentation. I might even write about my adventures and become an influencer of sorts 🙂
Not sure if I'd want to be immortal, but if we can somehow change the state of the planet for good within my life time, however that may be achieved, then I wouldn't mind humoring the idea of sticking around a tad longer to see things through. Being a rural hermit would be my ideal life. Making art, films, and videogames while catching up on all the books I want to read would be the life I'd strive for. But I'd also indulge in a bit of everything you listed.
I think my long-term is to be transhumanist. To augment my abilities to be as close an embodiment of my spirit as I can be. Perhaps not a progress-driven metamorphosis, but a sensorial driven one. Being autistic ADHD I find that I need a certain amount of mental stimulation per brain mass, and deep dive into subjects where the information is well represented graphically. So maybe I would augment my touch and sight to bring on new perspectives and patterns. And maybe I would augment my reach to work within those new perspectives. Maybe I would talk with plants or design new circuit boards by living as a virtual character in a city planning sim. Maybe I will find a fun way of plotting interplanetary travel. But expansion of consciousness is probably what I would like to do.
How I want to live...in the suburbs. Sometimes I wanna drive to the city that isn't too far away and have a wild time, sometimes I want to drive to the country and camp out...I want to hit my hometown that has a decent little strip of pubs and clubs (nothing like the city, but a good smaller town fun aspect). So no, suburbs won't go away.
I’m fulfilling my world travelling dream now, but would definitely give “gentleman farmer” a go… at least for a while, with a brand spanking new 30-year-old body. 🤣🤣
I think you were pretty spot on on the different life scenarios, although I do think people will drift among different life styles according to whatever life phases we might go through, one scenario I would had would be the explorer, just like your globalthrotter, but on much larger scope, I mean exploring another planets and solar systems.
I love sports so that's what I will be doing having ample free time on my hands. I would join a sports community, pretty much I do that now, most of my friends come from sport activities.
all of them sound pretty cool. I mean, i'd probably go with the more rural, natural settings. but then go nuts every once in a while with the gaming and city life
There are in my mind two definitions of LEV, when I hear Kurzweil and Aubrey de Grey talking about it, the statistical one (life expectancy grows by more than a year per year that passes) and the one in which we not only life longer, but periodically rejuvenate ourselves (so like LEV as a consequence of everlasting youth). de Grey once said I think it reasonably to suppose that one could oscillate between biologically 20 and biologically 25 indefinitely. When do you think we will reach this point, when we can be biologically 20 or 25 independently of how long ago we were born?
I would dive into plant genetics and breed new flower varieties maybe even help develop new plants that are better adapted for space travel for long-term space missions.
One thing that does scare me about longevity is one kind of disturbing idea… eternal soldiers. People who’ve pledged eternal service to their nation, and spend centuries perfecting the art of fighting and killing in conflict. Just because people are immortal, doesn’t mean they are any less corrupt or power hungry, and war almost certainly will still exist. These people, over time, would be psychopathic killing machines. Centuries of ending peoples lives would leave them completely desensitized to murder and violence, and they’d likely dehumanize the people they kill. Either that, or they’ll delude themselves into thinking they are providing a service. Culling the population. Making sure that some people still die and that we don’t reach a point where earth can’t sustain humanity. In a post labor world, people will naturally seek out competition and conflict. Politicians will always seek to garner more power, and in a world where power will likely be where they find status and meaning, that urge will only become more intense. Meaning I believe over time they will almost certainly be willing to send others to kill in their name.
I myself would go all out with VR and hopefully FDVR. I have a strong imagination the different experiences I can dream up right now feel infinete for me. If you have eternal life then it would be much more interesting to experience and infinete number of lives as well.
Hey David. Question: Will life extension be available only to some? Or to all? What kinds of social disparities will this tech create? Q. Will it be available to other species as well? Which ones? Domesticated animals? What are the implications of extending this to other species? Q. What are the serious ethical implications of life extension being used in factory farms (example: in dairy farms)? Q. Given that indefinite life extension technology could become real, would we then have the universal access to a voluntary, guaranteed, painless, compassionate and peaceful means of exiting existence at a time of our choosing if we simply choose to opt out at some point? Is there some obligation to go on forever? Q. How would indefinite life extension work within the context of potentially worsening planetary conditions due to any number of anticipated or unanticipated factors? Will people still want unlimited life extension in those environments? Q. What about other views on ‘the ideal life’ that may be quite different from the ones presented here? See: 20 min documentary titled “Return to Zanskar” and the documentary: “The Tibetan Book of the Dead: A Way of Life”narrated by Leonard Cohen (1994). Views on the ideal life and the ideal death tend to vary. Do see the buddhist documentaries if you like, if you are able to. Thank you for your thoughts and ideas!
To enable sustainability of those lifestyles, the model needs solutions to control against dystopia. Given the distribution of psychological conditions in the DSM, there will be a need for solutions to protect lifestyles from physical and mental abuse. Whether that's an AI, a lifestyle or perhaps required term of 'duty' (damn work would be back •sigh•). E.g. Due to the nature of some disorders being a learned condition, (Fact check neeeded: Is NPD in adults is a cause of NPD in children?), it may not be possible to medicate/GE away.
Do you anticipate these changes occurring within our lifetime (considering I'm currently 23)? You mentioned a timeframe of 10 years. What is the likelihood of these changes happening, and is it a realistic possibility, or is it more of an optimistic, sci-fi hopium? In my country, it feels like time has stood still - I still see the same old cars, some hospitals appear more outdated, and there's an apparent trend of budget cuts, particularly in offices and schools. While I want to believe in the potential for significant changes, it's challenging to witness or even imagine them. I yearn to envision a future where I'm not just contemplating the passage of time but experiencing technological marvels, discovering new passions, and strengthening connections with my significant other. Thank you.
Living in an autonomous community, 4-5 Generations under the roof and plenty of friends for children to play with - combining old school virtues with high end technology sounds exciting. Let´s not get ahead of ourselves and remain within reasonable dynamics (population, environment, evolution)
I think there could be a future for suburbs in a way. I can imagine urban sprawl will increase due to no need to go to a city centre for work. But I like living in a suburb because you get a good mix of space and location to people you know. The city also has recreational facilities for things like sports and entertainment, transport for travel. It is like a mix of most of the other options.
Going with a combo of hobbit and traveler. Love to see the world and have my own comfortable slice of it to return to. Plus occasional trips to the city to see a concert.
More time learning, listening to music, meeting new people, doing drugs and art. It's a comforting yet primitive lifestyle. And no I don't mean in a cult.
Social commune first, I think. Maybe a little bit of hobbit interspliced with travel & gaming. Master craftsperson: in college I originally wanted to be an architect! Imagine if I had AI to help me develop sustainable smart cities for eveybody! Or become an ecologist, use AI to "talk to animals", listen to the natural world, and create amazing eco-tourism opportunies for everybody. Study psychology and cognition, to help myself and others achieve peak states of bliss, calm, or whatever. Read all the books on my Goodreads to-read list (currently ~5k). When I was young, I dreamed of being a singer, dancer, and writer. I could master all of them! Maybe at some point all of those experiences would change me enough that I would be interested in trying something totally different that I was never interested in before... sports? With transhumanism augmentation maybe if I got bored could try being a man? Or a bat? A swarm? Endless possibilities really. If you can theoretically live forever I don't see why polyamory wouldn't become more mainstream. Sure you might want to be committed to a "nuclear family" to raise a few kids for several decades, but eventually probably both partners would want to meet other people and try new relationships. So, eventually, yeah try more relationships.
@@lilchef2930 I wasn't making predictions. I don't know the future. But I am hoping not only for amazing technology, but for it to be used in ways that improves everybody's lives. That last part too often gets skipped and the focus becomes just: make it profitable.
I’ve also realize there’s a lot more than making body healthy and look young, but I’m sure scientists realize that cognitive ability is it as important as well. You surely can’t pass having a healthy young looking body when your mind is that of an 80 or 90-year-old with cognitive decline. That healthy and young looking body also needs a young healthy brain and mind.
Also, what does the future of longevity escape velocity hold for ageism? I’m hoping that this will put it into this discrimination once and for all, and bury the damn hatchet. once people are healthy, young looking and mentally healthy then this should make that sort of discrimination disappear. Is ageism a social issue? Among older people, ageism is associated with poorer physical and mental health, increased social isolation and loneliness, greater financial insecurity, decreased quality of life and premature death. An estimated 6.3 million cases of depression globally are estimated to be attributable to ageism.
What do I do? I keep getting younger all the time mentally and physically, I’ve got every freaking woman on the Congo chasing me on social media and I never get a chance to sleep because every time I turn around they wanna talk to me. 😭😭😭😭😭
I don't believe we should be automating jobs until we restructure power and society to create new support systems for people. We also need to solve wealth distribution so that it is more equitable and in place to support people. Otherwise, there will be massive pain as people are phased out of jobs without the support they need.
we also need to make sure the internet itself is treated as a public good and is free to access in order for AI to be a public good and easily accessible for everyday people to use. At least in the US, the internet is way too expensive and not as fast as in other countries.
How I will live - I want to innovate and create unique structures and that's why it's important that we keep those who want to create needless barriers out of public office so we don't have them artistically making innovation too expensive for regular people. Please don't push a world were an elite group of government bureaucrats get to make creativity unattainable to the average person.
I'm not afraid to die. I see death as inevitable, so death is not something that bothers me much. However, if living forever is a possibility, I would be terrifyed of dying.If accidents are the only thing that can kill me, I would go completely paranoid about doing anything that could take my life. It's a weird feeling I had watching this.
I plan to be an eternal gamer, having limitless possibilities and do whatever you want without having any impact on other people is just too good to pass on. But maybe that's how i think cause i'm already a step in this life.
I'm already moving between urban socialite and rural commune, thanks to remote work. I'm not sure AI will necessarily change the labour market as dramatically as you think; in the industrial revolution they also thought we'd soon be living a life of leisure but instead the economy invented new jobs. Unless we change our mentality, I think that the same will happen again.
Here's the sad truth. Without work or a reason to educate oneself, most people will descend into a life of addictions, unhealthy indulgences, and violence. It's nice to think we'll all sit around playing guitar and writing poetry, but it's pretty much just the need to work that keeps most people on the straight and narrow.
The way to have wealth distribution is to fight against policies that place artificial barriers on the poor and keep regular people from being able to innovate. I will vote for the people who support removing barrier to entry for industries.
Since I’m on one-way trip with no return onto longevity, escape velocity as we speak as I get mentally and physically younger people like myself, we’re gonna be left holding the bag is the cat escapes. What about my financial investment? What about making that longevity escape velocity? I need to make my money immortal now. 😭😭😭😭
not trying to be a debbie-downer here, but why doesnt anyone seem to consider that eternal life might be a terrible idea? i would actually argue that what gives life meaning is its inherent finitude. the law of diminishing returns applies everything. the first piece of pie is always better than any which follow. in a world of eternal life everyone will eventually die of boredom.
In terms of lifestyle suggestions, I would like to be able to leverage the "Buy Nothing" style networks as a way to transition into post scarcity economics. AI agents could make such a system accessible and beneficial on a global scale.
Also could have discussed artificial reproduction. The Dutch team that is developing the first artificial womb expects their work to be completed during 2029.
My lifestyle would likely be a combination of the Hermit and Gamer, with periods of Globetrotting, possibly dabbling with Urban Socialite and Master Craftsman lifestyles. 😊
Personally I would have a lot of children early and after they are grown up I will focus on enjoying life together with an army of super loyal people (my kids). Right now I feel like life is too short to have kids.
What is this? I’m out of the loop and just found this video through a Reddit comment. Everyone here seems very sensible, and I’m surprised to not really see any dissenting opinions. How likely of a reality is this truly? How can I learn more about it?
Would people eventually get bored? How would this affect alcohol consumption? (In other words, would a lot of people drink regularly, since they can overcome the negative consequences with technology, or would few-to-none drink, since other aspects of life would be more enjoyable?... Similar question for more aggressive drugs.) Could I wipe my brain to watch my favorite movies over again "for the first time"? Would jealousy still cause violence? (Would there be a big decline in jealousy?) Would there be one mental disease that lingers on after we figure out all the other mental diseases?... What would it feel like to be the last "diseased" person on Earth, after AI figures out a cure for everything else?
I don't really see why people would have less children in a post-work world. I think the main reason people are having less kids is because it's so hard to juggle kids in an atomised, work-heavy world. When you've got abundant free time, raising children will be a much more joyful experience.
If someone ten - or even five - years ago said to me we actually might manage to defeat aging before the end of the century, I would have laughed at them. Look at me now, made into a massive fool by world in less than a decade, and being glad for it.
What a time to be alive.
I'm 35. Almost exactly ten years ago was when I fully bought into the LEV hype train. It was Aubrey that made me realise how close we actually were.
When I was a kid I didn't think cds would replace cassettes... once I realized I wrong I decided to never make an assumption of tech not advancing ever again.
@@geordi-gabrielrenauddumoul449 What's wrong with getting our hopes up? I can handle being disappointed, I'm a big boy.
@@julius43461 Personally I don't see accepting mortality and reversing aging as mutually exclusive. I have done a fair bit of DMT and I'm pretty excited to find out what happens after death, but definitely nervous too because it's unknown. I just think it would be fun to live a lot longer first.
@@julius43461 Exactly yeah. As Terrance McKenna said, the idea of living as long as I want appeals to me, however if we don't die I'm worried we might be missing the entire point.
Imagine how differently people would look at protecting our biosphere if they realized they could be immortal, and would have to deal with the long term consequences of their own pollution and waste.
yeah, gotta push the topic
The wildest thing to me is that this isnt science fiction anymore
It's not 😊
Well, it’s not reality yet - so by definition it’s still science fiction - but clearly we are getting at least a bit closer.
As per usual, they over estimate it.
@@exmodule6323To the exent that we don't know if the mind or brain is finite / has a upper bound no matter what you do. If it's possible to replace the brain over time with silicon, then there may never be an uperbound till the mind is ready for it's final sleep. But even then... life expectancy has on a ramp up, (potentially exponential) in the 1800s, it's werid to live past 35. Now, people arn't having kids till they are in their 30s.
Heat death of the universe might get us lol
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AI will probably be the panacea for lots of problems of humanity. But ALL fundamental society problems? Not betting my breath on that.
Eternal gamer sounds amazing. Especially with where gaming has been going recently. Even with current VR, if you combine it with LLM powered NPC, living that second life in a different world does not feel that far away.
The thing that's really missing is amazing multiplayer experience. More games need multiplayer that's functional and fun and communities that aren't either standard-toxic or toxic-positivity.
I would still player singleplayer but it would get stale fast.
I imagine living your second life in Minecraft.
It wouldn't just be gaming, either. Could have education, be in a cross-game organization, etc. while also being able to be in any kind of body want to be in at that time.
@@bazookaman1353you won't need multiplayer since AI will replace people. Or at least for friends and family
@@bloodust7356 I still want to play with human beings.
Eternal youth and no money worries? I'd probably have cycles of 10 years where i change focus from one way of living to another. Travel, gaming, taking classes, being creative, learning new trades, partying, romance, family, pioneering in space. Overall, I want to become a wizard and know a lot about a lot. I'm 37 now, so its hard to say if I'll live to see longevity escape velocity. Here's to hoping.
I hope I don't die before we cross the finish line
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Eternal Gamer here. And while i get why you went for the idea of nostalgia and people reliving their Halo days. My take is that it's all about pushing exploration to new extremes. With Ai generated worlds, and at one point full dive vr, it's basically an endless trove of lifelike world filled with magic, adventure, and stuff that's impossible irl begging to be discovered, explored, and interacted with. I like real life, but if i can ride on the back of dragons while conducting a siege before lunch, heck yeah i'm going to do it!
I agree! The flip side is that a computer virus will be able to give you infinite pain for what feels like an infinite time. With no chance of escaping.
I want to combine all of these together! I just couldn't imagine have none of any of them. I thought of one more ... The scholar lifestyle - either researching for personal growth or into a rare niche field
Normal european cities have all of these and more: Green parks + neighborhoods with a lot of families + the center with a lot of party + etc
OK OK David, Time out, Time Out. I’m gonna have a very hard time giving up the suburb because I like my suburban lifestyle.
I'm hoping to combine or a live a combination of lifestyles. I'm definitely going to travel and probably live for decades in certain parts of the world. If I'm able to live in a commune and increase skills along my travels, that's what I would like to achieve.
Thanks for your interest in helping others. Love your channel.
Dude, that is such a cool possibility. I'll be doing the same if this all plays out!
Your videos always give feasts for thought; 32 comments at 800 views is an insane amount of engagement. I always watch them as soon as I can.
I'm always surprised that people don't seem to consider artificial wombs as a solution to the population problem. Plenty of genetic materials are available 😊
Some ethical problems behind that one...
@@jonathanlindsey8864meh. China and Japan don’t care. If it’s doable, they’ll do it.
@@theWACKIIRAQI China maybe because of their state 'ban' / control on religion and culture.
Japanese culture on the other hand is much different. Motherless babies would be a cultural shock in Japan and Korea. It would really be a problem. They would move more towards meda humans and robot servants. Technology has always been nearly worshiped, but the health of the *family* is ingrained in the culture.
If you have not visited Japan I *strongly* recommend it!
I'd prefer full bio robotics at that point. Why raise a kid alone when you can make the perfect spouse. And trusting any form of government no matter the era or tech is a folly.
Hmmmmm more arms and digitigrade from the thighs down.
Of course the kids would still have a mother, only gestation and birth would be outsourced to the artificial womb and everything else would be the same.
I would love to live a hybrid of going on meditation retreats around the world, also work on my fitness working out at new places!
I believe i already live like some will on a future with long lives. Moved to Japan, everyday is like traveling but without moving. Started VR company, , mentally teleport anywhere i want anytime. Live in a country town, i can still be a hobit while being mentally mobike. Live in a community, our company members all live in the same house. Enjoying partying, the town has many good pubs and food is fantastic. Took me 64 years to realise this so hope medicine development will start speeding up soon :)
Think we’ll make it to escape velocity?
I'm so excited for this future, and while I'm trying to keep my expectations in check and stay wary when it comes to the dystopian possibilities, I also just can't really fathom how the world won't be completely sci-fi in even just a few decades from now.
With that said, I'm a storyteller/artist and a gamer above all else, and I just cannot wait for the combination of VR and AI to get to a point that I can basically live in my own virtual world, with an Ai assistant who can literally give me the tools and help needed to create anything I could possibly imagine and more. Like imagine building your dream house from the ground up - every detail perfectly planned out - or recreating your favourite childhood home that you thought you'd never see again, or even just telling the AI to create an entire immersive game based on a specific set of criteria, and then getting to experience it in ultra-real VR. You could even recreate your favourite game or movie and take the place of one of the characters! The possibilities are virtually endless and it would be so fulfilling.
I'd be happy to try all of these lifestyles on rotation. As someone who has just recently started looking into the longevity field, I honestly cannot imagine anything better than for the human race to create a treatment that will help us stay youthful for as long as we want to live.
Considering the breakthroughs that are being made, it's bizarre the lack of attention and public funding that the longevity field recieves. And I find it equally strange just how cynical (not on this video, but in the comments section of others) many are about the potential of longevity treatment. Sure, there will be social changes to deal with, but when the alternative is to suffer the horrors of aging and then die, I will gladly deal with any change that's coming.
Personally, at 42, I don't think LEV will arrive in time for me. But I dearly hope to be proven wrong. If both Dave and I are here in a hundred years time, I'll be happy to buy him a meal and he can spend the whole time telling me "I told you so"!
Don’t sell yourself short, LEV could be right around the corner. In 19 an optimistic for this technology
Something that freaks me out is the hostility people have towards the idea of LEV when it's brought up in 'normie' spaces.
You missed a big one- frequency treatments are a true panacea.
I am currently cancelling my lifetime infection with Staphallococus epidermidis using a rife frequency machine.
I’m not surprised cause I’ve been expecting longevity escape velocity, but I’m just thrilled and blessed to be already experiencing it.
You don’t know what it can mean to a person to be freed from a lifetime of degenerative disease (that almost killed me).
it’s like almost like heaven on earth.
and the machine was only $500
We’re ready for the help and freedom.
Thanks 🙏 Love 💗
Thanks David for all the new Videos!
Thanks for the summary David - Very exciting times - I would definitely do a combination - travelling, gaming, learning as much as I could over time. Then, much further long term, assuming we have sufficient technological advances - taking that travelling to the next level with interstellar planet hopping, space stations, new worlds... :)
David, some of us are already experiencing this longevity, escape velocity, activation as you speak, because we are biohacking our bodies.
I have successfully have made my body, healthy, young looking, and my cognitive ability to that of a teen girl. But I want to learn as much as I can because this is so exciting field. I want to see where this is going. I want to be part of this I want educate and other people on it I hope that opportunity will be extended to me because I could benefit humanity.
This man speaks so eloquently and without mistakes.
"I'm a terrible dancer, so didn't do that again!" - very funny comment by David!
...but if you have ~infinite lifespan, maybe you'll have time to become an expert ;-)
If I had indefinite lifespan, I'd be something between the spiritual ruralite and master craftsman archetypes you described. I'd dedicate myself to art.
I wanna learn music and visual arts.
I want to do everything!
One of your best videos to this day.
You've overlooked a really important point at least for me in sports.
1. Not only can one play certain kinds of sports for a very long time without getting replaced by younger athletes but one master many different kinds of sport, achieve godlike physiques and physical abilities.
2. Traditional sports won't die as fast or will even rise in members.
3. Stars like Christiano Ronaldo or Tom Brady will have the opportunity to play as long as they want or as long as there are no real better players (not due to age driven fall downs)
And probably many more social developements
Maybe I will have time to work through my large collection of Math and Physics books. I have been thinning my book collection, but I have been keeping the math, physics, philosophy and novels just in case I end up with lots of time to make use of them.
"I am a hobbit." Me too, Dave. Me too
I'm looking forward to augmenting my brain, and exploring space.
Thanks for a great analysis! I would definitely also add meditation/spirituality. After sitting meditation, a leg cramp is a beautiful, intense experience, as is the ability to move again!
I’m also curious about the future possibility of upgrading ourselves, mentally and physically. I was actually just thinking about creating my own house in nature right before the ‘Craftsman Mastery’ section, but I have very low spatial and mathematical IQ.
If gene therapy could help make us intellectually more formidable and well rounded, then I think we would have a lot of excitement about the future due to all the potential things we could do ourselves with that added mental bandwidth
Dammit your idea of the future is so comically utopian and optimistic, especially compared to a lot of people like the folks over at (r/collapse on reddit), yet I like this aggressive optimism. All for the best in the next 20 years!
One area I never see you mention is sports. I think all kinds of sport will become massive when no o r needs to work. Watching, playing, coaching. I see every minor sport becoming much bigger with full time athletes all over every country.
I'll definitely go for the hobbit route. I look forward to be able to "waste time" without feeling bad about it. Just chillin forever.
I want to live in some combo of Bilbo Baggins life + social commune but with a major focus on fitness. If I could have an amazing outdoor gym in the sun and just workout for 8 hours a day I absolutely would!
I’m very well on the way to achieving longevity escape velocity right now as I’m getting younger, mentally and physically. I have a few questions?
1. How do I preoccupied myself from getting bored?
2. And how do I make my money, immortal?
These are all great ideas, but getting to the end game from where we currently sit will be incredibly painful. AI can also be a double edged sword where it takes control and displaces organic humanoids with something more efficient/less destructive.
I'd personally love to become a hermit for a decade or so and just take the time to find some peace, enjoy the fresh air and a slow, quiet life for a while. Afterwards maybe I might want to party hard for a while before going back to my quiet hermit life, or joining a commune or natal pod and having kids lol. While watching this I had this idea that if strict regulations aren't imposed on population control like they were in that one episode of Love Death + Robots, people may actually opt to have a certain number of kids but at very long intervals of time (since there's no rush), like say having kids and raising them every few centuries. So say they may want to have 2 or 3 kids every 100 or 200 years, raising them, nurturing them and when the kids are old enough they either leave or remain with the family unit and may also choose a similar cycle for having children of their own should they want any.
Re: Hospital Collapse and time. I was admitted into the hospital when I had my tonsils out and then the next time, I had to go to a hospital was due to a car accident.... seventy one years later. So, I see your point about collapsing.
My ideal future is owning a Star Trek starship complete with holodeck and replicators, exploring the world, doing creative physical and mental work, and playing games with friends in both real and virtual realities.
I aim to live like a member of The Culture, cheers to that.
for me personally its going to be all about creativity in the coding sector. having so much assistance by ai in terms of coding versus having to code and figure out all the minor details is like eating bread with or without butter.
Wonderful overview - clear, concise, and comprehensive. In answer to the question, I see myself as a "hybrid lifestyler" with a hobbit-like home base and a penchant for global travel that includes yearly tastings of all of the lifestyles covered in the presentation. I might even write about my adventures and become an influencer of sorts 🙂
Not sure if I'd want to be immortal, but if we can somehow change the state of the planet for good within my life time, however that may be achieved, then I wouldn't mind humoring the idea of sticking around a tad longer to see things through.
Being a rural hermit would be my ideal life. Making art, films, and videogames while catching up on all the books I want to read would be the life I'd strive for. But I'd also indulge in a bit of everything you listed.
I’d travel every inch of the globe, have many wives, own several businesses, party and also live in the country
I think my long-term is to be transhumanist. To augment my abilities to be as close an embodiment of my spirit as I can be. Perhaps not a progress-driven metamorphosis, but a sensorial driven one. Being autistic ADHD I find that I need a certain amount of mental stimulation per brain mass, and deep dive into subjects where the information is well represented graphically. So maybe I would augment my touch and sight to bring on new perspectives and patterns. And maybe I would augment my reach to work within those new perspectives. Maybe I would talk with plants or design new circuit boards by living as a virtual character in a city planning sim. Maybe I will find a fun way of plotting interplanetary travel. But expansion of consciousness is probably what I would like to do.
We are very similarly minded in that regard
How I want to live...in the suburbs. Sometimes I wanna drive to the city that isn't too far away and have a wild time, sometimes I want to drive to the country and camp out...I want to hit my hometown that has a decent little strip of pubs and clubs (nothing like the city, but a good smaller town fun aspect). So no, suburbs won't go away.
Is there gonna be social support groups for people coping with longevity escape, velocity and insanity because there needs to be.
I’m fulfilling my world travelling dream now, but would definitely give “gentleman farmer” a go… at least for a while, with a brand spanking new 30-year-old body. 🤣🤣
I think you were pretty spot on on the different life scenarios, although I do think people will drift among different life styles according to whatever life phases we might go through, one scenario I would had would be the explorer, just like your globalthrotter, but on much larger scope, I mean exploring another planets and solar systems.
Suburbs also offer close proximity to community services and entertainment. I don't think AI or life extension will make cities go away.
I love sports so that's what I will be doing having ample free time on my hands. I would join a sports community, pretty much I do that now, most of my friends come from sport activities.
all of them sound pretty cool. I mean, i'd probably go with the more rural, natural settings. but then go nuts every once in a while with the gaming and city life
There are in my mind two definitions of LEV, when I hear Kurzweil and Aubrey de Grey talking about it, the statistical one (life expectancy grows by more than a year per year that passes) and the one in which we not only life longer, but periodically rejuvenate ourselves (so like LEV as a consequence of everlasting youth). de Grey once said I think it reasonably to suppose that one could oscillate between biologically 20 and biologically 25 indefinitely. When do you think we will reach this point, when we can be biologically 20 or 25 independently of how long ago we were born?
What about the people that choose to spread out among the stars
Infinite space to conquer right?
I would dive into plant genetics and breed new flower varieties maybe even help develop new plants that are better adapted for space travel for long-term space missions.
One thing that does scare me about longevity is one kind of disturbing idea… eternal soldiers.
People who’ve pledged eternal service to their nation, and spend centuries perfecting the art of fighting and killing in conflict.
Just because people are immortal, doesn’t mean they are any less corrupt or power hungry, and war almost certainly will still exist. These people, over time, would be psychopathic killing machines. Centuries of ending peoples lives would leave them completely desensitized to murder and violence, and they’d likely dehumanize the people they kill. Either that, or they’ll delude themselves into thinking they are providing a service. Culling the population. Making sure that some people still die and that we don’t reach a point where earth can’t sustain humanity.
In a post labor world, people will naturally seek out competition and conflict. Politicians will always seek to garner more power, and in a world where power will likely be where they find status and meaning, that urge will only become more intense. Meaning I believe over time they will almost certainly be willing to send others to kill in their name.
I myself would go all out with VR and hopefully FDVR. I have a strong imagination the different experiences I can dream up right now feel infinete for me. If you have eternal life then it would be much more interesting to experience and infinete number of lives as well.
I would love to live in the social communes model, it would be amazing.
For me it feels like I would like to live all of these lives. Someone better make me live for 500 years 😎
I honestly feel like I’d cycle through
- crazy partying,
- lonely hobbit,
- traveler and
- gamer
two weeks at a time…🤷🏼😁
Hey David. Question: Will life extension be available only to some? Or to all? What kinds of social disparities will this tech create?
Q. Will it be available to other species as well? Which ones? Domesticated animals? What are the implications of extending this to other species?
Q. What are the serious ethical implications of life extension being used in factory farms (example: in dairy farms)?
Q. Given that indefinite life extension technology could become real, would we then have the universal access to a voluntary, guaranteed, painless, compassionate and peaceful means of exiting existence at a time of our choosing if we simply choose to opt out at some point? Is there some obligation to go on forever?
Q. How would indefinite life extension work within the context of potentially worsening planetary conditions due to any number of anticipated or unanticipated factors? Will people still want unlimited life extension in those environments?
Q. What about other views on ‘the ideal life’ that may be quite different from the ones presented here? See: 20 min documentary titled “Return to Zanskar” and the documentary: “The Tibetan Book of the Dead: A Way of Life”narrated by Leonard Cohen (1994).
Views on the ideal life and the ideal death tend to vary. Do see the buddhist documentaries if you like, if you are able to.
Thank you for your thoughts and ideas!
To enable sustainability of those lifestyles, the model needs solutions to control against dystopia. Given the distribution of psychological conditions in the DSM, there will be a need for solutions to protect lifestyles from physical and mental abuse. Whether that's an AI, a lifestyle or perhaps required term of 'duty' (damn work would be back •sigh•). E.g. Due to the nature of some disorders being a learned condition, (Fact check neeeded: Is NPD in adults is a cause of NPD in children?), it may not be possible to medicate/GE away.
These are all cool but gotta remember if we dont fix the problems on hand we wont live to see this come to fruition
That's why I make my videos. Build consensus, motivate people
Hospitals may end up being really specialised clinics, kinda like gyms, for specific health related services
Do you anticipate these changes occurring within our lifetime (considering I'm currently 23)? You mentioned a timeframe of 10 years. What is the likelihood of these changes happening, and is it a realistic possibility, or is it more of an optimistic, sci-fi hopium? In my country, it feels like time has stood still - I still see the same old cars, some hospitals appear more outdated, and there's an apparent trend of budget cuts, particularly in offices and schools. While I want to believe in the potential for significant changes, it's challenging to witness or even imagine them. I yearn to envision a future where I'm not just contemplating the passage of time but experiencing technological marvels, discovering new passions, and strengthening connections with my significant other. Thank you.
Within five years
Living in an autonomous community, 4-5 Generations under the roof and plenty of friends for children to play with - combining old school virtues with high end technology sounds exciting. Let´s not get ahead of ourselves and remain within reasonable dynamics (population, environment, evolution)
I should set a reminder to come back to this video in five years to see if the presenter was on to something or if this is just a pleasant daydream. 🙂
I think there could be a future for suburbs in a way. I can imagine urban sprawl will increase due to no need to go to a city centre for work. But I like living in a suburb because you get a good mix of space and location to people you know. The city also has recreational facilities for things like sports and entertainment, transport for travel. It is like a mix of most of the other options.
Going with a combo of hobbit and traveler. Love to see the world and have my own comfortable slice of it to return to. Plus occasional trips to the city to see a concert.
More time learning, listening to music, meeting new people, doing drugs and art.
It's a comforting yet primitive lifestyle.
And no I don't mean in a cult.
Social commune first, I think. Maybe a little bit of hobbit interspliced with travel & gaming. Master craftsperson: in college I originally wanted to be an architect! Imagine if I had AI to help me develop sustainable smart cities for eveybody! Or become an ecologist, use AI to "talk to animals", listen to the natural world, and create amazing eco-tourism opportunies for everybody. Study psychology and cognition, to help myself and others achieve peak states of bliss, calm, or whatever. Read all the books on my Goodreads to-read list (currently ~5k). When I was young, I dreamed of being a singer, dancer, and writer. I could master all of them! Maybe at some point all of those experiences would change me enough that I would be interested in trying something totally different that I was never interested in before... sports? With transhumanism augmentation maybe if I got bored could try being a man? Or a bat? A swarm? Endless possibilities really.
If you can theoretically live forever I don't see why polyamory wouldn't become more mainstream. Sure you might want to be committed to a "nuclear family" to raise a few kids for several decades, but eventually probably both partners would want to meet other people and try new relationships. So, eventually, yeah try more relationships.
How confident are you these predictions will come true? I’m kinda hoping our generation gets this technology
@@lilchef2930 I wasn't making predictions. I don't know the future. But I am hoping not only for amazing technology, but for it to be used in ways that improves everybody's lives. That last part too often gets skipped and the focus becomes just: make it profitable.
@@MilanyAece yea human greed but it’s an incentive to have a healthy long lived population
I’ve also realize there’s a lot more than making body healthy and look young, but I’m sure scientists realize that cognitive ability is it as important as well. You surely can’t pass having a healthy young looking body when your mind is that of an 80 or 90-year-old with cognitive decline.
That healthy and young looking body also needs a young healthy brain and mind.
Also, what does the future of longevity escape velocity hold for ageism? I’m hoping that this will put it into this discrimination once and for all, and bury the damn hatchet. once people are healthy, young looking and mentally healthy then this should make that sort of discrimination disappear.
Is ageism a social issue? Among older people, ageism is associated with poorer physical and mental health, increased social isolation and loneliness, greater financial insecurity, decreased quality of life and premature death. An estimated 6.3 million cases of depression globally are estimated to be attributable to ageism.
Who ever sees this comment please share the video as much as you can. The future is in yourselves and I others hands.
What do I do? I keep getting younger all the time mentally and physically, I’ve got every freaking woman on the Congo chasing me on social media and I never get a chance to sleep because every time I turn around they wanna talk to me.
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I don't believe we should be automating jobs until we restructure power and society to create new support systems for people. We also need to solve wealth distribution so that it is more equitable and in place to support people. Otherwise, there will be massive pain as people are phased out of jobs without the support they need.
we also need to make sure the internet itself is treated as a public good and is free to access in order for AI to be a public good and easily accessible for everyday people to use. At least in the US, the internet is way too expensive and not as fast as in other countries.
I agree with you in principle, but skepticism, friction, and resistance in government and society will prevent action until there's pain.
I guess I will be a mixture of urban socialites and eternal gamer
I can't wait for 3d printing/ replicator of food
How I will live - I want to innovate and create unique structures and that's why it's important that we keep those who want to create needless barriers out of public office so we don't have them artistically making innovation too expensive for regular people. Please don't push a world were an elite group of government bureaucrats get to make creativity unattainable to the average person.
I'm not afraid to die. I see death as inevitable, so death is not something that bothers me much. However, if living forever is a possibility, I would be terrifyed of dying.If accidents are the only thing that can kill me, I would go completely paranoid about doing anything that could take my life. It's a weird feeling I had watching this.
I plan to be an eternal gamer, having limitless possibilities and do whatever you want without having any impact on other people is just too good to pass on.
But maybe that's how i think cause i'm already a step in this life.
I'm already moving between urban socialite and rural commune, thanks to remote work. I'm not sure AI will necessarily change the labour market as dramatically as you think; in the industrial revolution they also thought we'd soon be living a life of leisure but instead the economy invented new jobs. Unless we change our mentality, I think that the same will happen again.
Here's the sad truth. Without work or a reason to educate oneself, most people will descend into a life of addictions, unhealthy indulgences, and violence. It's nice to think we'll all sit around playing guitar and writing poetry, but it's pretty much just the need to work that keeps most people on the straight and narrow.
Ok, the government shouldn't jeopardize science because of that
You used some words I don't know because I went to public school, but sounds cool.
I beg anybody that sees this please share the video as much as you can.
The way to have wealth distribution is to fight against policies that place artificial barriers on the poor and keep regular people from being able to innovate. I will vote for the people who support removing barrier to entry for industries.
I certainly hope a panacea is coming, I need it :S
Since I’m on one-way trip with no return onto longevity, escape velocity as we speak as I get mentally and physically younger people like myself, we’re gonna be left holding the bag is the cat escapes.
What about my financial investment? What about making that longevity escape velocity? I need to make my money immortal now.
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Personally, my plan is to be an eternal gamer hobbit living in or around a social commune. That's been my dream ever since I was a kid, more or less.
not trying to be a debbie-downer here, but why doesnt anyone seem to consider that eternal life might be a terrible idea? i would actually argue that what gives life meaning is its inherent finitude. the law of diminishing returns applies everything. the first piece of pie is always better than any which follow. in a world of eternal life everyone will eventually die of boredom.
In terms of lifestyle suggestions, I would like to be able to leverage the "Buy Nothing" style networks as a way to transition into post scarcity economics. AI agents could make such a system accessible and beneficial on a global scale.
Also could have discussed artificial reproduction. The Dutch team that is developing the first artificial womb expects their work to be completed during 2029.
My lifestyle would likely be a combination of the Hermit and Gamer, with periods of Globetrotting, possibly dabbling with Urban Socialite and Master Craftsman lifestyles. 😊
Master Craftsman meaning, I will dedicate some decades to study the blade. 😊
Personally I would have a lot of children early and after they are grown up I will focus on enjoying life together with an army of super loyal people (my kids). Right now I feel like life is too short to have kids.
What is this? I’m out of the loop and just found this video through a Reddit comment. Everyone here seems very sensible, and I’m surprised to not really see any dissenting opinions. How likely of a reality is this truly? How can I learn more about it?
Would people eventually get bored?
How would this affect alcohol consumption? (In other words, would a lot of people drink regularly, since they can overcome the negative consequences with technology, or would few-to-none drink, since other aspects of life would be more enjoyable?... Similar question for more aggressive drugs.)
Could I wipe my brain to watch my favorite movies over again "for the first time"?
Would jealousy still cause violence? (Would there be a big decline in jealousy?)
Would there be one mental disease that lingers on after we figure out all the other mental diseases?... What would it feel like to be the last "diseased" person on Earth, after AI figures out a cure for everything else?
In the future all call life electronic life. El for short. Well be gods.
What are your thoughts on humanoid companions?
I don't really see why people would have less children in a post-work world. I think the main reason people are having less kids is because it's so hard to juggle kids in an atomised, work-heavy world. When you've got abundant free time, raising children will be a much more joyful experience.
"If you're not familiar with the word 'gerontacracy"-you're soaking in it.