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2 Quick Tests To Find The Source Of Your Thoracic Outlet Syndrome
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I cannot believe how immediately this relieved my chronic problem!
Seriously wtf?
The best TOS video I’ve ever seen.
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I’m so happy to hear that! Keep it up and you’ll be out of pain in no time! 🫡🦾
Wow, I have been suffering for years. Yesterday I shared about my pain online and a massagw Therapist told me that I might have TOS syndrome. When I go to sleep at night my arms, fall asleep, ache and I get shooting pains, mostly in my hands. The crazy thing is that it still hurts if I’m laying flat on my back with no pillow. Sometimes I have to sleep sitting up. They also go numb when I am doing computer work Last night in bed, it was happening again, so I massage my peck and shoulder area with a hand massager and it helped a lot! It’s very tender in there. I have you’ve helped me understand the problem and I’m definitely going to sign up for your course so I can get rid of this pain for good! Thank you!
I’m very happy to hear that it helped! Soreness is def a sign of fascia restrictions so keep it up!
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This is excellent, if its possible i would like to speak to you on this subject, i started 2 years ago to fix my posture, i developed TOS on the way to "normal", my pec-minor is so tight that it dislocates my ribs from stern, in my case the hip was not sitting correctly and my body was trying to adjust that deformation by lowering all my bones on the left side ( if it makes any sense ), once i`ve strenghten my core and re-aligned my hips, 90% of pain was away, though it took 2 years for me to realise, tons of doctors and therapyes. Good luck everyone out here suffering from such a condition, please believe in you and NEVER STOP EXERCISE, is the only way out!
That’s great that you were able to improve your pain by working on your core. The body is connected from top to bottom. My theory here is that it was the lateral fascia lines that created tension on the hips and ribs to your left side.
Hi there, would you be able to connect? I’d like to learn more about how you got your posture correcting, I’m suffering pretty badly from these pains and not sure what else to do. Thank you.
You are so correct. May I ask what type of exercises did you do? I have issues both upper and lower. I know mines related to muscular imbalances weaknesses. I am trying to also realign my body. I have slight scoliosis, but the scoliosis PT said in her opinion that I don’t have true scoliosis it’s all coming from my hips being misaligned, unfortunately now I have all the upper body stuff and with seemingly feels like TOS . I went out of state to see this lady because she’s a scoliosis expert. Just trying to find an experienced PT which should be easy. I’ve already seen six or seven and no one has even mentioned scoliosis or misalignment so frustrating as I sit here and get worse and I know movement and strengthening is the key, I’m sure there’s a protocol because every time I do it something , something else hurts. Glad you fixed yourself.
Hi here same symptoms and would love to connect with you to understand how you overcome 90% @brainaido
t makes sense. I keep telling everyone that I feel that my left side is being pulled downward, from neck to hips. My ribs on a 3d reconstructed ct scan show my left ribs being narrower, my scapula’s aren’t aligned, left is lower, my pecs, scalenes are tight as heck,very dense. My upper traps/levator are doing the work of my shoulder muscles creating cervical issues. No one has a clue. It feels as though my left side is overstretched and my right dominant side has just taken over. PRI has alot of info on this, very interesting, Neal Hallihan.
All of this and I now after 3 years I believe it’s been my hips all along. It’s also creating a scoliosis type of affect. I finally saw a specialist (out of state) who she herself has scoliosis and who works with helping scoliosis patients being referred by doctors. She took one look at me even before I opened my mouth and said what’s wrong with your hips. She believed I do not have a true scoli, I have a rotated pelvis. Doctor’s are useless when it comes to muscular issues and misalignments etc. at least in my case.
I have always believed exercise/strengthening certain muscles even though they work in tandem w/each other is the way to go to fix misalignments. It’s a process I will never give up trying to find the root cause.
In the meantime, it’s causing other issues like TOS , slipped rib, full tears in supraspinatus tendons and impingement, scoli . Glad you were able to become 90% .
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Wow! I did the tests and mostly it’s related to my arm. Then when I did the ball exercise I felt a LOT OF PAIN in this area… I did not know that it was hurting… also at the moment that I pulled the ball I felt the pain felts in my back 😮 Shocked. Thanks a lot for this video. I will keep doing
You’re welcome! I’m glad you found it useful!
All the tests triggered tingling in my TOS sided arm. I've been having this for almost 2 years. Some improvement with physio, and exercises, but not major. Actually tai chi was the best until now. It helped more than my PT. I still can't stop my medication. How I discovered that something is really wrong. That my hand was swelling with movements, and changes color. I had pain in my subclavian area and chest. I just touched that area with my hand and my hand on the same side turned instantly red and swollen, so I realized that the area of compression is there. So when I move my arms (any repetitive motion) triggers my symptoms. My PT was the only one who recognized TOS. I have both scalene and SCM problems.
Thanks this helped a lot especially the Pec minor one on the floor. Im a massage therapist w a heavy workload so i need to keep at it. Thank you so much. It definitely helps
Keep it up! 🦾🫡
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Thank you! I didn't pass any of theses tests. Now I dot have to wonder what I have.
I’m glad to hear you’re getting some answers!
I noticed that my pain is relieved when I am doing overhead squats (light weights are best). I think it is because to get in the right position (shoulders back and wide, elbows pointing straight down, arms completely extended) you need to have a lot of flexibility everywhere in the shoulder. I still can’t do a full squat without my elbows turning back, but there is progress and the pain is getting better.
I also release the neck and shouldermuscles with massaging
I’m glad to hear you’re figuring it out! Keep it up and keep paying attention to your body. 🦾🫡
I ve a question. I ve TOS . the blood flows all the time in the arms when they are bent down. The blood stops flowing when the arms are above the shoulders. So when my arms are most of times bent down and the blood is flowing, then why have I pain in the mucles? My arms feel too weak, why
It could be something like trigger points.
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After surgeries on both sides, I still have pain and weakness on 1 side after 1 year. I know after an Emg that the cubital nerve is slightly attraped, but my surgeon insists on the tension of the muscle. I still have pain in both hands, but the Emg didn't detect anything. I know there is a protusion on c6 and c7. But nobody can tell me if the surgery really worked, I have pain in my thorax too. Thank you I will try with exercices and massage.
I hope these massages help! If it’s sore then it’s probably restricted and tight.
Great easy to follow video. I have a couple of questions. I started getting painful nerve issues in my left arm approx 4weeks ago. Bit of background,the humerous has a 24yr ol spiral fracture, from just below the outer humerous head with a bone fragment chipped off to the elbow joint. Yes, ouch!! It was left to calcify with a weighted plaster of Paris cast from shoulder to wrist due to risk of elbow mobility loss if it was pinned or plated. Needless to say, there is nerve damage there,the radial nerve being most damaged and I have restricted supnation in that arm. I also get bursitis in that shoulder joint. But the pain i was getting,has now eased to a constant numbness in thumb and first 2 fingers with TOS exercises. My right hand gets very mild symptoms at times, though this could be physcological. I have, until the past 2years, been a lifelong horse rider and posture and shoulder strength have always been great. I have lost strength since not riding and getting a partial supraspinatus tear in yhe right shoulder. All injuries are horse related, hence hanging up the helmet lol!!!
Any thoughts on the likelihood of TOS in yhe left arm? Or should I be getting this scanned?
thank you so much for your comment. I would get it scanned mainly because of the older injuries there which they might be able to pinpoint. I'm very glad posture exercises are helping you though! That's crucial for horse riders.
Awesome thanks for the assessment.. now i know it's scalene entrapment 💯starting the year off with valuable information 🙏... Also have a scraping scapula but that I can deal with
I’m glad to hear that! Keep it up. You got this!
If your scapula is "winged"/dysfunctional, I guess it can cause collapse of the whole area around the brachial plexus, causing TOS (according to this doctor, who's name escapes me ATM). My husband has TOS in both arms, and he has symptoms while his arms are at rest. They did a CT scan with his arms raised and saw some arterial compression between the first rib and collarbone. He has muscle wasting/atrophy in the fleshy base of his thumbs, which happened rapidly over the course of a month and it still happening. PT isn't doing anything, and his damn doctor just sent a referral to the wrong specialist (we are pretty rural, so not to many options for doctors). I wish you luck with your journey to alleviate symptoms.
Im sorry to hear that. Try releasing the subclavius muscle and the pec minor. that might help your husband. @@tearsofjoyforallthispain
I got the ball today 🙂 I tried that, and let you know. Thanks for you awesome video. Good night.
I hope you find some relief! Goodluck!
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Hey, I've been following your videos for a while and I've learned a lot. Could you make a video on upper trap dominance, and how to correct it? I found that my upper traps are not letting me retract my scapulas properly, and my winged scapula probably has to do with the massive imbalance between my upper and lower traps.
Thats an interesting topic. Ill try to do something for that soon, or at least related to it! Thank you for your support!
Good work. I have the same problem. To much brick work for me..
A job like that would do it! Hopefully these videos can help!
Great easy to follow video. I have a couple of questions. O started getting painful nerve issues in my left arm approx 4weeks ago. Bit of background,the humerous has a 24yr ol spiral fracture, from just below the outer humerous head with a bone fragment chiped off to the elbow joint. Yes, ouch!! It was left to calcify with a weighted plaster of Paris cast from shoulder to wrist die to risk of elbow mobility loss if it was pinned or plated. Needless to say, there is merve damage there,the radial nerve being most damaged and I have restricted pronation in that arm. I also get bursitis in that shoulder joint. But yhe pain i was getting,has now eased to numbness in thumb and first 2 fingers with TOS exercises. My right jand gets very mild symptoms at times, though this could be physcological. I have, until the past 2years, been a lifelong horse rider and posture and shoulder strength have always been great. I have lost strength since not riding and getting a partial supraspinatus tear in yhe right shoulder. All injuries are horse related, hence hanging up the helmet lol!!!
Any thoughts on the likelihood of TOS in yhe left arm? Or should I be getting this scanned?
No TOS pain, but have slight hand tingling (thumb side) and 5-10 degree temperature differential in right hand (relative to left) in some arm positions ("using the mouse" is a bad one, but standing w/arm at side, much better - shoulder/humerus position not that different between the 2?). GP said "no bad lumps, probably TOS." Chiro said "return brachial pulse was low." Sounds like something is compressing brachial artery on the right, but neither of these tests told me what was in play. I've been stretching pec minor/major for several weeks w/o change, and no noticed tender areas on self-massage. Anything else I can look at to pin down the muscle(s) to focus on to restore full blood flow? Thanks for the info in your videos - just need the next step on this one.
ua-cam.com/video/eZz_6vqUAJk/v-deo.html - this one talks about the deep armpit muscle, the coracobrachialis.
ua-cam.com/video/ZDU6g2gkbc0/v-deo.html - this one is for decompressing the nerves and blood vessels.
ua-cam.com/video/TLnIvp5XIOs/v-deo.html - this one talks about trigger points creating tos like pain.
i hope one of them helps.
Active arterial & neurogenic TOS, awaiting rib resection. Do you have any case studies where this can be turned around?
No case studies for this unfortunately. Sorry. I would try releasing the scalenes and subclavius since they both control the ribs
This is great content that’s really well put together. This video should have way more views. Keep up the great content. You’ll be very successful.
I appreciate that!🦾
Thanks for the TOS help. After spending years on my SCM and traps for migraines and TMJD. I started to notice my TOS got way worse. My thoracic spine was messed up and my first ribs were not right. That helped a lot after my osteopath adjusted. I could do shrugs pain free. Along with proper head posture. . I’ve been doing PT. I think bath my scalene and pec minor aren’t functioning right still. I can’t even get my left hand flat on the bad side on the wall. I also had an alar ligament injury in my upper cervical spine around same time this all started and all my muscles got out of whack compensating. My left side of neck froze for over a year until PT. It’s been near impossible to find someone in Oklahoma that is able to piece it all together on what is causing what. Is the neck and jaw causing the TOS or is the TOS radiating it upward.
To me it sounds like the chest and scm is pulling down, creating the pain in the head. Try to get that pec minor worked on if you can.
@@TrainandMassage thanks, I the PT guy was going into the arm pit with a glove on my left side while I held moved my arms up over my head and outward while he continued to release it. It was night and day relief. I do a lot of trigger point self massage on my SCM because it was referring to behind my eyes with headaches. Leading up to all of this I was having sternum cracking and popping on that side looking over my shoulder changing lanes in traffic. Left shoulder was way lower as well. I do have some cervical scoliosis and thoracic scoliosis but it’s very mild.
Hitting the armpit was most likely to hit the subscapularis. Whoever your therapist is, stick with them because I rarely see people hit that muscle. I hope you find some relief from it. Trigger point therapy is def the new exercise in my opinion. But when you combine trigger point therapy and pt right after, it’s a game changer.
You sound almost like me. My issues become so convoluted I do believe I have upper and lower cross syndrome. PT Doctors have been no help all they say is stretch and strengthen , I agree w/the strengthening. I do massage(myself) a lot and it always seems to help until recently. I’ve never been diagnosed with TOS though I know I have a form of it.
Excellent contents thanks alot iam 11 months ago I slept on my shoulder I waked up with hard pain in my shoulder and tingling and numbness in my pinky finger specially if I raised my hand above my head symptoms show more tingling and I have pain in my elbow and ulnar nerve what do you think is this message and exercise useful for me appreciated your advice
Hi there. Try this video out. Hopefully you’ll get some answers from the tests
What’s REALLY Causing Your Thoracic Outlet Syndrome?
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Hi there. I’m re working the 7 day plan which is why you’re seeing that. Sorry and thank you for your patience
@@TrainandMassage thank you very much!
Thanks!
Wow, thank you so much!
How can I find someone as knowledgeable as you in the UK? I'm struggling. I'm a 38yo mother of 4 and I literally can't even dry my hair and have lost all strength in my arms. Dr's aren't any help. They do bloods and say I'm OK. I can't live like this anymore. When I try to massage the neck like you showed it felt like all the blood left my arm and hand. I have to drop it and I feel the blood rush back. It's so strange. I have chronic tension due to anxiety (I'm a carer for my youngest with autism, I think I experienced carers burnout and this is when it all started). I feel lost and worried this isn't going to get any better 😓💕
Im sorry but I would recommend working with a sports massage therapist. Not sure though from here. we can even try some online therapy if that works for you,.
Thank you for the videos, my problem is that the pain on the side of my neck has been on the side of my neck for 2 years and changes to the right and left, I do not have other symptoms such as numbness in the arm. I could not find any solution in the country I live in and it confuses me that sometimes the right side and sometimes the left side hurts. I need help very much. I am only 19 years old. I would be very happy if you answer
Massage the muscles out. Also massage out your chest
hey, thank you for the video :) I have tight scalenes and was wondering how often i can do the 5 minute massage? is like twice a day, daily or weekly better for the tissue?
You can do it daily. Just be careful because it might get sore.
I have possible TOS. My physio at the time believed I do have it. I now have according to mri impingement both shoulders and a supraspinatus tear both shoulders. I have very tight scalenes/scm on right side though no pain. Pain is all on my left. In one of your videos I believe you mentioned if you are having trouble determining where (which side) the issue is to feel which side is denser/thicker than the other and that would be the side where the issue is which makes sense.
So my painful side possibly isn’t the side w/the pain it’s the more denser/thicker side b/c it’s protecting possibly a weaker muscle. My issue is now also convoluted b/c of the tear and impingement. I have a forward rounded left shoulder. I was wondering these massages your showing should still help with impingement b/c they’re also involved with TOS(scalenes) and should I work more on the opposite( right) b/c those muscles are extremely thick. Do you some what agree? Thank you
Sadly its hard to figure that out from here. I would just try to massage out the thicker side and see if that helps or not, only one way to truly know right?
Is it common to have TOS without pain?
TOS is when people have pain so technically no
I am a big fan of ur videos..how about dry needling the scalenes? Massage does not seem to help me..muscle is so tight. And how many days it takes for massage to get some relief?
Thank you! Ive never tried dry needling but I dont see why it shouldnt help. If a muscle is tight, then try working on it gently daily for a few weeks. its normal for it to feel tender and even painful in the beginning but if you stick with it, it should help after a week or 2.
A myofascial therapist used some KT tape to address the neck tension. The over compensation of scalenes affected my breathing and kept me feeling like I’m in fight or flight panic breathing. Now I’m able to complete a full diaphragmatic breath.
I tried the Wright Abduction test for 1 minute as suggested by you. But I did not feel any pain instead I felt tiredness. What would this indicate as was a TOS goes? Happy to get any guidance.
The problem probably isn’t going to be pec minor.
nice video
Thanks
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Cutting meat for 8 years caused mine. Plus I’m tall, skinny, and have bad posture
I hope these videos are able to help!
I went to your seven day plan and I hear you talking but I don’t see you in a video , is this correct? I’m thinking of purchasing it. Thank you
I’m sorry but I don’t quite understand what you mean
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I keep running I to a problem. When I try to massage my scalenes I get pain shooting down my arm for a minute, semi dizzy and my tinnitus gets loud. How can I do this if there is blood vessels involved? . Also can an elevated first rib be the reason why my scapula pops when I roll my shoulders? On my worst side (left) it just feels like my scapula is not moving correctly, has limited movement and gets spastic (although that may be the rhomboid) which worsens my symptoms. This kinda sucks. Hoping this hydrodissection gives me some relief to then be able to do the stretches and excersizes without flaring up or further compressing my nerves. Any feedback would be great!
Theres a lot of nerves and blood vessels around the scalenes. So, you can start by applying less pressure. You can also try to move a bit to the left or right when you begin to feel it. You can also try to hold that pressure for a bit to see what the pain does. It might begin to go away after a little while. A nerve will make the pores and worse.
There is a structure, dont recall its name, in the lateral part of the neck close the jaw angle, that when massaged it lowers blood pressure and pulse, it may cause you to faint, look it up and avoid that area.
Did you ever find out why your scapula pops when you roll your shoulders? I have diagnosed TOS and mine does it too on my worse side.
Don’t have enough strength in my hands to this? Any other tricks.
Can you use a tool? Or prop a tool up against the wall and lean into it?
is it safe to do releasing those muscles everyday?
If you’re not sore then you should be fine
@@TrainandMassage thanks
Can TOS mimic ulnar nerve entrapment? I was diagnosed with bilateral ulnar nerve entrapment and bilateral golfer's elbow. The muscles on the inside of my forearm get really tight and painful when I work with my hands or just use my phone for too long. I also get neck pain and pain in the back of my shoulder sometimes. Sometimes I get numbness in my hands but not as often. MRI of cervical spine shows mild foraminal stenosis in neck but dr. said it's not enough to cause symptoms.
I tried the overhead bent elbow thing and it made my whole ulnar nerve (at least i think thats what it was) start hurting.
Either way these videos are interesting. Subscribed.
Short answer , I believe yes.
An MRI wouldn’t show it because they most likely don’t put you in the compromising position with your elbow over your head. That position will create the compression unlike your arm to your side.
2nd test really hurts the top part of my arm
How does it feel after working it?
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Hm I don’t think I have TOS after taking these tests. I use my arms a lot for work and for golf. Your other videos helped me get relief from pain I have in both my shoulders and around my right peck. Maybe just old injuries and repetitive tasks adding up.
I’m glad my other videos are helping you, even though I know it can be frustrating when you don’t know what’s wrong.
Not tried the elbow above the head before, that brings on the symptoms on. It also brings on the symptoms when I moved my head to the left or to the right. sounds like im tight / facial restrictions in a few places. Would carrying my 2 year old cause these muscles to tighten up? if so what muscles would tighten up and i might be able to loosen those muscles after ive picked him up for a while. much appreciated and keep up the excellent work!
Carrying your kid can def tighten up the front muscles like the pec (arm raised up test). I can also see the neck tightening up due to a small head tilt to that same side. Work the SCM, scalenes, and pec minor. My latest video has them all in it. Goodluck and let me know how it goes!
@@TrainandMassage just stretch out all those muscles and the tests (arm above the head and head tilt) no longer brings on symptoms, win! however, if I tense my biceps 💪 i get the symptoms, any ideas on how to stop my biceps bringing on symptoms?
Stop tensing it lol.
One of your biceps attach to your scapula, which when you contract may create tension and compress on the nerves and blood vessels.
Take the same self massage techniques and simply apply them to the bicep as well. Then stretch it.
Don’t forget to strengthen the shoulder external rotators and back muscles as well to fight that tension off. Just do it after the release
@@TrainandMassage haha I cant stop flexing my 💪 . I've stretched out and now i don't get any symptoms when tensing my biceps. The only way I can bring on the symptoms now is pressing my arm against a wall using the same positions and movements as an arm wrestler. I'm guessing its still the bicep that's pulling on the scapular, any thoughts on why this is and what's causing this issue so i prevent this? Im starting to get the bigger picture, thanks for your vids and communication helping through this 😄 its such a misunderstood area.
Sounds like internal rotation is also an issue and needs to be worked. Maybe the rotator cuff muscles need to be released.
Don’t forget to strengthen the back muscles as well like the external rotators.
Take it easy but stay consistent and see how it feels in a few days. I’m glad you’re slowly getting better and better results.
Notice your hypomobile to in elbows
Naw, I was just born with 2 joints ;) haha.
@@TrainandMassage lol are you hypermobile in lot of joints
No I’m not, I found it odd that only my elbows are.
@@TrainandMassage interesting I am.and it's tied.ti.my.pain.and highly.perfectionist nervous system
It can be an issue, with the fascia and muscles of course. Definitely keep workouts on your top of mind.
The fast music is aweful....hard to focus on all thiis information without getting annoyed
Noted
Ive noticed that pressing a few trigger points in my inner SCM improves my tinnitus like 80%. Whats the deal with this?
Besides 'deactivating' trigger points, shouldn't I sthrengten my neck muscles?
Anyways, love your YT channel
Thanks for your support! Trigger points can create all kinds of pain, including tinnitus. And yes, Strengthen the neck after. 🦾🫡