Actually, it's Dalek Caan who says that line. You can tell which Dalek is which by their voices: Caan at first has the deepest voice of the four, then in this scene, his voice changes to the same pitch as pre-hybridisation Dalek Sec.
It would never have been allowed to occur; the concept of a Dalek not driven by racial supremacy would never have been acceptable for the Daleks and his death would have been guaranteed.
"The Doctor will step away from the controls!" has the same energy as the "Correct!" in _Victory of the Daleks._ In both cases, it's a shame that things didn't work out, but it's great to see the Daleks being evil again.
Excellent is an emotional response. Considering the desperation they were in, I argue that their relief and happiness came through for this brief moment. My only argument.
@@dalekbumps We could not take Dalek Sec's treachery anymore. His pacifist retorick nothing but Anti-Dalek Propaganda. At least Dalek Caan stepped in and took control
I like to imagine anger is the default emotion for a Dalek. All others are actually natural but they hide them for the propaganda because a giggling at a clown dalek would ruin the immersion of their superiority or a diva artist dalek, then again maybe that's what supreme daleks are
@@SudrianTalesall emotions except hate are suppressed by a computer in the casing called the cortex vault, it also suppresses memories that could make the dalek "good" as seen in Into the Dalek
Notice how canns voice changes In 0:22 he is speaking with his deep lieutenant voice And then in 0:26 he speaks with Sec's commander Voice because he's the new commander. That was a really cool addition the nic Briggs added
That’s actually Dalek Thay and Dalek Jast speaking respectively. For some reason Jast’s voice wasn’t as high pitched in this scene except when he said “The Doctor will step away from the controls” and “The Doctor is escaping, stop him, stop him!” Dalek Caan remained silent in this scene.
The ironic part is Dalek Caan betrayed not one but two of his own leaders. However they were for polar opposite reasons. Caan betrayed sec because he had mutated his genetics and saw that he was no longer a Dalek because, he could not look past the blindness of Dalek purity. He betrayed Davros however because he saw the Daleks history throughout time and space and came to the same conclusion as Sec, he understood that the Daleks must be destroyed. In a sense Dalek Caan became impure himself. As the supreme rightfully says he is an abomination to Dalek kind. Caans mind mutated and evolved. One plot hole Moffat created though Is that Dalek Caan didn’t foresee the creation of the Paradigm Daleks. Ohh well that’s a story for another day. Xx
Dalek sec, should have known that betrayal has been the creed of the Daleks, every since genesis and particularly after becoming a hybrid. If was only a matter of time before he was overthrown by the Daleks
"YOU TOLD US TO I-MAGINE, AND WE I-MAG-INED YOUR IRRELEVANCE"! Oooohhhh, somebody geta fire extinguisher, because Dalek Sec got third-degree BURNED!! ROASTED HARD!! The Cult of Skaro Daleks are like Bugs Bunny with a gun: kill-happy wiseasses with personality and cleverness. Out of all the Daleks in time and space, they're my favorites. I wouldn't mind being EXTERMINATED by them, but that doesn't mean I won't surrender without a good fight!
The ironic part is Dalek Caan betrayed not one but two of his own leaders. However they were for polar opposite reasons. Caan betrayed sec because he had mutated his genetics and saw that he was no longer a Dalek because, he could not look past the blindness of Dalek purity. He betrayed Davros however because he saw the Daleks history throughout time and space and came to the same conclusion as Sec, he understood that the Daleks must be destroyed. In a sense Dalek Caan became impure himself. As the supreme rightfully says he is an abomination to Dalek kind. Caans mind mutated and evolved. One plot hole Moffat created though Is that Dalek Caan didn’t foresee the creation of the Paradigm Daleks. Ohh well that’s a story for another day. You can actually see in Evolution of the Daleks Caans hesitation before he teleports away from the doctor. I think he considered joining him for a moment. Scenes like this are why this story doesn’t deserve the hate it receives. It succeeds in actually giving the Daleks character (a problem with new who Dalek stories is most of the time they have zero character apart from the shouting Nazi personality that we have seen a thousand times) I’ve only seen three episodes of modern who that gave the Daleks personality Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks Victory of the Daleks (for the Ironsides) Into the Dalek (kind of) Xc
You could argue Caan did forsee the new paradigm daleks, but that was the most preferable of the futures he saw. If Davros's current empire was allowed to survive, the whole of creation would've been erased by the reality bomb.
@@erubin100 that doesn’t make sense though as he states “I have seen the End of every-thing Da-lek and you must make it Happen Doc-tor” implying he saw the destruction of all the Dalek race.
@@TheWhovinerd-1963 it's also possible the actual "end of all things dalek" was something that was going to happen much later in the future, as a result of stopping Davros at that point in time.
I mean, they had better things to do at the moment than sit around and think if new names. If I was in the army and I never knew my commander’s name, I wouldn’t just say “that dude.” Plus, if they said “Sec’s” in the possessive term, then it would just sound weird.
@@lordgrunwalder1607 Honestly, this is one episode where there's almost always a proper explanation why they don't shoot him. For most of the episode he was protected by Dalek Sec, at this point the Doctor had helped with their experiment and possibly fiddled with some things, so it's probably better to keep him around if something goes wrong.
Sec had human concepts and ideas that made him “impure” alongside the fact he was half human, the drones created were only human in appearance and didn’t show the side effects of the doctors lightning rod party trick, so they were (apparently) genetically and ideologically Daleks
@@lennonkelly-james2693 but the fact they still have a human body means they literally aren't 100% dalek. Those people didn't just suddenly turn into kaleds
@@lennonkelly-james2693 does that make it biologically accurate in reality? No. If the flesh is still human flesh (which it is) then they aren't 100% dalek DNA
The reason why the daleks betray sec is because after sec became 100% human and became 0% dalek when he merged with the human, he was changing, he became more heart, compassionate and become less evil towards humans, cause he wanted to lead a new race of daleks, Dalek thay Caan and jast hated the new path of evolution of daleks that Sec wanted to create, because Sec thrown away the dalek pride, the daleks no longer considers him a dalek and turned on him, daleks have no compassion, empathy, heart and they are evil
it ironic in the first dalek appearance with 1st doctor the daleks dreamed of one day regaining human form and leaving their casing, now all these years later they finally achieved it and forgotten it was once their dream and view sec as no longer a dalek
It’s not only that. Caab, Thay and Jast were disgusted by the pacifistic path that sec wished to lead the new race of daleks down. They were so blinded by their genetic 🧬 hubris pride that they could not see sec was correct, to them sec was an abomination and disgrace to the very name ‘Dalek’. Although these daleks had more imagination than standard daleks it was still none compared to Dalek sec. He is the only dalek in existence to see the flaws of the daleks, pleading with his comrades to evolve above their xenophobic ways, as it is what would ultimately lead to their destruction. Xx
Thay, Jast and Caan's coup against Dalek Sec was less because of his physical hybridisation and more because of how they thought his newfound humanity had compromised him and he'd strayed too far from the Dalek way. The other Dalek-humans were meant by the Cult to have 100% Dalek mindsets, but they didn't count on the Doctor adding his own DNA into the mix.
Sec merging with Diagoras led to him having human thought processes. The Cult of Skaro saw this as a perversion of the Dalek mindset as his thoughts weren't 100% Dalek. The others were engineered to completely have 100% Dalek thoughts.
They were human shells with 100% dalek dna. Sec became something new physically, with 50/50 dalek-human dna. Hence the dalek humans were, at least on a genetic level, more dalek than dalek sec.
@@cjon6898so what? If the plan went accordingly and the new human daleks got their skulls bashed open You could pry out a Kaled mutant? If that's not the case that'd be dissapointing
“You told us to imagine and we imagined your irrelevance”
I love it when Daleks get sassy!
That brief moment at 1:27 when Sec's voice defaults to the standard "Da-lek" voice but it's human and without the modulation!
0:30
Dalek Thay: "You told us to imagine and we imagined your irrelevance."
Dalek Sec: "Bugger!"
Actually, it's Dalek Caan who says that line. You can tell which Dalek is which by their voices: Caan at first has the deepest voice of the four, then in this scene, his voice changes to the same pitch as pre-hybridisation Dalek Sec.
I would have personally loved even just briefly if dalek sec could have traveled with the doctor for a bit would have been interesting to see
Philosophical trip around the universe, and discussions of morality like with Missy. Gosh, I wish.
It would never have been allowed to occur; the concept of a Dalek not driven by racial supremacy would never have been acceptable for the Daleks and his death would have been guaranteed.
@@Waltonet93I think they mean a companion for an episode or two.
Hehehe, DEATH squad Daleks go brrrrr
Imagine him confronting davros
0:56 now you know how Davros feels whenever you betray him each time
1:20 such a burn!
Caan: We were designed to imagine new ways of surviving
Sec: So I've imagined we should change our ways
Thay: Wait, that's illegal
*Holds plunger up*
"You will identify"
I like to think he'd get the succ if he didn't identify as a Dalek...
He'd cripple into a rotted corpse with shattered skull
That'd be the scariest succ in existence
is that the third gender these leftists keep talking about?
Would have probably just been exterminated.
Such a coincidence that this moment came on just after I read this comment...
@@thejuiceking2219 sure is
I like how Dalek Sec as a human was the most Dalek at this point.
Specify?
@@daleksaan935 He was his most KALED specifically Davros.
@@mattatobinAnd that's why they stopped obeying him. They saw him inferior.
@@noonespecial9704Much like how the Daleks betrayed Davros in Genesis of the Daleks
The directing and camerawork doesn't get enough credit here.
Is it weird that I find the Daleks voice satisfying?
0:55 nice call back to Genesis of the Daleks
"The Doctor will step away from the controls!" has the same energy as the "Correct!" in _Victory of the Daleks._ In both cases, it's a shame that things didn't work out, but it's great to see the Daleks being evil again.
I wish sec survived he would've made a good companion
Excellent is an emotional response.
Considering the desperation they were in, I argue that their relief and happiness came through for this brief moment.
My only argument.
yeah there is no doubt that all three of the remaining cult members were completely insane by this point
@@dalekbumps We could not take Dalek Sec's treachery anymore. His pacifist retorick nothing but Anti-Dalek Propaganda. At least Dalek Caan stepped in and took control
I like to imagine anger is the default emotion for a Dalek. All others are actually natural but they hide them for the propaganda because a giggling at a clown dalek would ruin the immersion of their superiority or a diva artist dalek, then again maybe that's what supreme daleks are
@@SudrianTalesall emotions except hate are suppressed by a computer in the casing called the cortex vault, it also suppresses memories that could make the dalek "good" as seen in Into the Dalek
That is incorrect. Excellent is an emotional response. - as a certain Cyber Leader would say
Notice how canns voice changes
In 0:22 he is speaking with his deep lieutenant voice
And then in 0:26 he speaks with Sec's commander Voice because he's the new commander.
That was a really cool addition the nic Briggs added
That’s actually Dalek Thay and Dalek Jast speaking respectively. For some reason Jast’s voice wasn’t as high pitched in this scene except when he said “The Doctor will step away from the controls” and “The Doctor is escaping, stop him, stop him!” Dalek Caan remained silent in this scene.
Davros: you betrayed the daleks!
They were created to imagine new ways of survival so yes and no
I SAW THE DALEKS, WHAT WE HAVE DONE THROUGHOUT TIME AND SPACE I SAW THE TRUTH OF US, CREATOR AND I DECREED NO MORE!
A coup against their leader!
The ironic part is Dalek Caan betrayed not one but two of his own leaders. However they were for polar opposite reasons. Caan betrayed sec because he had mutated his genetics and saw that he was no longer a Dalek because, he could not look past the blindness of Dalek purity.
He betrayed Davros however because he saw the Daleks history throughout time and space and came to the same conclusion as Sec, he understood that the Daleks must be destroyed. In a sense Dalek Caan became impure himself. As the supreme rightfully says he is an abomination to Dalek kind.
Caans mind mutated and evolved.
One plot hole Moffat created though Is that Dalek Caan didn’t foresee the creation of the Paradigm Daleks. Ohh well that’s a story for another day. Xx
@TheWhovinerd-1963 Maybe the Time Stragist created the Progenitor, and like Dalek Cann took it out of the Time War, but hid it-
Screw it, nevermind.
Dalek Sec was my favorite next to the Dalek Time Controller.
Dalek sec, should have known that betrayal has been the creed of the Daleks, every since genesis and particularly after becoming a hybrid. If was only a matter of time before he was overthrown by the Daleks
"YOU TOLD US TO I-MAGINE, AND WE I-MAG-INED YOUR IRRELEVANCE"!
Oooohhhh, somebody geta fire extinguisher, because Dalek Sec got third-degree BURNED!! ROASTED HARD!!
The Cult of Skaro Daleks are like Bugs Bunny with a gun: kill-happy wiseasses with personality and cleverness. Out of all the Daleks in time and space, they're my favorites.
I wouldn't mind being EXTERMINATED by them, but that doesn't mean I won't surrender without a good fight!
The Doctor will step away from controls stop you will not fire
0:28 I like how the Doctor becomes protective of Sec
00:30 I love the way the Doctor tries to protect Dalek Sec from the other Daleks
One of my favourite episodes.
The ironic part is Dalek Caan betrayed not one but two of his own leaders. However they were for polar opposite reasons.
Caan betrayed sec because he had mutated his genetics and saw that he was no longer a Dalek because, he could not look past the blindness of Dalek purity.
He betrayed Davros however because he saw the Daleks history throughout time and space and came to the same conclusion as Sec, he understood that the Daleks must be destroyed. In a sense Dalek Caan became impure himself. As the supreme rightfully says he is an abomination to Dalek kind.
Caans mind mutated and evolved.
One plot hole Moffat created though Is that Dalek Caan didn’t foresee the creation of the Paradigm Daleks. Ohh well that’s a story for another day.
You can actually see in Evolution of the Daleks Caans hesitation before he teleports away from the doctor. I think he considered joining him for a moment.
Scenes like this are why this story doesn’t deserve the hate it receives. It succeeds in actually giving the Daleks character (a problem with new who Dalek stories is most of the time they have zero character apart from the shouting Nazi personality that we have seen a thousand times) I’ve only seen three episodes of modern who that gave the Daleks personality
Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks
Victory of the Daleks (for the Ironsides)
Into the Dalek (kind of)
Xc
if you want, there was a youtuber years ago who created a video explaining away the plot hole of dalek caan not seeing the paradigm daleks coming
You could argue Caan did forsee the new paradigm daleks, but that was the most preferable of the futures he saw. If Davros's current empire was allowed to survive, the whole of creation would've been erased by the reality bomb.
@@erubin100 that doesn’t make sense though as he states “I have seen the End of every-thing Da-lek and you must make it Happen Doc-tor” implying he saw the destruction of all the Dalek race.
@@TheWhovinerd-1963 it's also possible the actual "end of all things dalek" was something that was going to happen much later in the future, as a result of stopping Davros at that point in time.
@@erubin100 hmm 🤔 true I suppose. That could also be true.
Tbf to Moffat though this plot hole wasn’t his fault it was RTDs
Sad
When Daleks had more interesting development than just space Nazis in future seasons.
Well they were inspired by the Nazis in classic who
their own emperor woldnt be happy about them killing their leader
Daleks Sec had strayed away from the Dalek way so it's likely the emperor would have just exterminated him.
@@gunmasterx1164 dalek sec preferred the doctor to be alive than dead
@@taliamar8115 Sec would have the doctor killed if his new Dalek race plan worked and even the doctor didn't trust Sec thanks to a deleted scene.
Says he is no longer a dalek but calls him dalek sec still.
Would you want to just call him Sec?
I mean, they had better things to do at the moment than sit around and think if new names. If I was in the army and I never knew my commander’s name, I wouldn’t just say “that dude.” Plus, if they said “Sec’s” in the possessive term, then it would just sound weird.
Why didn't the Daleks eliminate the Doctor?
Plot armor
@@lordgrunwalder1607 Honestly, this is one episode where there's almost always a proper explanation why they don't shoot him. For most of the episode he was protected by Dalek Sec, at this point the Doctor had helped with their experiment and possibly fiddled with some things, so it's probably better to keep him around if something goes wrong.
I don't get how Sec was no longer a dalek but those 100% human dudes were pure daleks.
Sec had human concepts and ideas that made him “impure” alongside the fact he was half human, the drones created were only human in appearance and didn’t show the side effects of the doctors lightning rod party trick, so they were (apparently) genetically and ideologically Daleks
because the dalek humans had 100% dalek dna where as sec had 50% human dna which is why he turned good
@@lennonkelly-james2693 but the fact they still have a human body means they literally aren't 100% dalek. Those people didn't just suddenly turn into kaleds
@@nateriver1884 in the episode they literally say that the bodies have 100% dalek dna not that the're pure kaleds
@@lennonkelly-james2693 does that make it biologically accurate in reality? No.
If the flesh is still human flesh (which it is) then they aren't 100% dalek DNA
1:19
The reason why the daleks betray sec is because after sec became 100% human and became 0% dalek when he merged with the human, he was changing, he became more heart, compassionate and become less evil towards humans, cause he wanted to lead a new race of daleks, Dalek thay Caan and jast hated the new path of evolution of daleks that Sec wanted to create, because Sec thrown away the dalek pride, the daleks no longer considers him a dalek and turned on him, daleks have no compassion, empathy, heart and they are evil
it ironic in the first dalek appearance with 1st doctor the daleks dreamed of one day regaining human form and leaving their casing, now all these years later they finally achieved it and forgotten it was once their dream and view sec as no longer a dalek
It’s not only that. Caab, Thay and Jast were disgusted by the pacifistic path that sec wished to lead the new race of daleks down. They were so blinded by their genetic 🧬 hubris pride that they could not see sec was correct, to them sec was an abomination and disgrace to the very name ‘Dalek’. Although these daleks had more imagination than standard daleks it was still none compared to Dalek sec. He is the only dalek in existence to see the flaws of the daleks, pleading with his comrades to evolve above their xenophobic ways, as it is what would ultimately lead to their destruction. Xx
@@TheWhovinerd-1963 true I see
@@sword4005 the other 3 were supposed to merge with a human with dalek sec
THE DOCTOR WILL STEP AW-AY FROM THE CON-TRALS
1:20
I don't get how Sec was no longer a dalek but those 100% human dudes were pure daleks.
Thay, Jast and Caan's coup against Dalek Sec was less because of his physical hybridisation and more because of how they thought his newfound humanity had compromised him and he'd strayed too far from the Dalek way. The other Dalek-humans were meant by the Cult to have 100% Dalek mindsets, but they didn't count on the Doctor adding his own DNA into the mix.
Sec merging with Diagoras led to him having human thought processes. The Cult of Skaro saw this as a perversion of the Dalek mindset as his thoughts weren't 100% Dalek. The others were engineered to completely have 100% Dalek thoughts.
They were human shells with 100% dalek dna. Sec became something new physically, with 50/50 dalek-human dna. Hence the dalek humans were, at least on a genetic level, more dalek than dalek sec.
@@cjon6898so what? If the plan went accordingly and the new human daleks got their skulls bashed open You could pry out a Kaled mutant? If that's not the case that'd be dissapointing
Daleks only look that way due to being mutated by radiation, what they made was likely original Kaleds like Davros
1:31