Everyone Was Wrong! I Discovered The Real Meaning of Prometheus!
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- Опубліковано 27 бер 2024
- As we anticipate the release of the upcoming film Alien: Romulus releasing August 2024 and the new Aliens FX TV series, it's the perfect time to revisit Prometheus, explore its conundrums, and uncover its hidden connections including the previously unnoticed revelations discovered 12 years later. 👽
Was Prometheus bonkers nonsense or did it contain profound meaning? Could Ridley Scott have been right all along? Could Prometheus hold a mirror to our current reality, serving as a potential warning for the dangers we may soon face?
Join me for the premiere of this epic review on Thursday, March 28th at 7PM CT on my UA-cam channel @TysonXIX.
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Prometheus' Hidden Meaning Discovered 12 YEARS Later!!!
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There is a deleted scene in which the engineer explains the whole story in a two-minute dialogue with Wayland, they should never have taken it out, that would have lifted the film to a whole different level
If you mean the Kroft stuff, be aware that he is working from a fan-made script, not an authentic early draft. The script he works from in many of his videos is the long-debunked Draft 17 or Orange script, written by Prometheus fan Mark McAllister in 2012.
Is it online at all? or will they be releasing a directors cut with it in?
They really should have kept that in, I've seen what you're talking about and I think it really hurt the final product cutting it. Without it just makes the engineer look like a maniac who woke up homicidal for no reason.
@@dubstepzsi If you search for "Prometheus (2012): The Engineer speaks. (Deleted extended scene)" you'll find the legit version. The Engineer speaks in proto-indo-European which David translates. There's also a fan script floating around in which the Engineer goes off about stuff such as having taken a human child back to their homeworld and taught him their ways - that's completely fake, though literally millions of people have been fooled by it.
@@scottjones845 I duno, I'm pretty grumpy when i wake up from a nap, I can't imagine how I'd be after a 2000 year nap.
I want my 32 minutes back with an apology!
i dont get it either.
@@BIGM-gg9ln Jesus was an engineer, and when he was crucified they wanted to return to Earth and wipe out the planet. Ridley explained all this in an interview.
Jesus wasn't an engineer, he was taken by the engineers and taught them returned. It's supposed to also explain why a huge chunk of Jesus's life is unaccounted for. Then we crucified him.
@@lexiwilson9501 that's still stupid
seeing your comment - just saved me 32 minutes
Please tell me it didn't take you 12 years to figure out why the engineer killed Weyland with David's head. That was obvious.
100% 😂
David didn't "create" the XX121 xenomorph. He reverse engineered his own version.
Yeh people look over this too often. It also plays into the themes of David being obsessed with creation to be seen as someone who is equal to a human who has 'personhood'. And ironically he can only copy, not necessarily create.
Prometheus crew carbon dated the bodies and were dead 2000 yrs ago. That could debunk your theory
Scott himself said Christ was an Engineer and we were slated for extermination because we killed him.
Yeah.
As much as I'd like to salvage Prometheus, I just can't. Don't want to piddle on anyone else's enjoyment, though.
@@reyperry2605 Scott can't even keep his own brain dead writing together. He's a fantastic director and one of the best eyes in cinema...his writing is not great.
@@Sammo212 says Sammo212, the famous and definitely not brain dead film critic and celebrated screen writer. As with anyone, your opinions are totally valid when taken in the context that they are your opinions and have no more or less importance than the next UA-cam comments section expert. The problem is that when you come off as a self important twat, and call the the writing of Ridley Scott, inconsistence an artist though he may sometimes be, "braindead", you call the kettle black.
Show me on the doll, Sammo, where Ridley "bad-touched" you.
Its been a long time since I watched, but even if the bodies on that ship were dead 2000 years ago, why would you think that was the entirety of their species?
@@ryanmaxwelll2730
This was goddamn incredible. The humor, the editing, the commentary. HOW do you only have 1.3k subs!?
In reality, the engineers wanted to destroy humanity 2000 years ago, long before the creation of AI, when the son of one of them was crusified by us. (This scene was planned in the script)
which is hilarious
@@Sammo212 What's hilarious, the crucifixion of Jesus Christ or someone else? I don't get it, i fail to joke, is it about the movie we are watching? I said this comment before watching the video; probably the video, right?
@@Kuro87na the idea that the historical Jesus (who existed, even if He wasn't the son of God) being an engineer and that they want to kill us because of that. I do believe they even state in the film that the bodies are well older than Christ's crucifixion would have been dated.
@@Sammo212 I guess that kinda makes sense, they want to kill us because Jesus was one of them, and we killed him, right? I mean he looks more human, civil, and just better, so he must be their leader or superior, maybe. I don't know. Maybe they liked us more than their other creations because of how complex we are, physically and mentally; one of the only species ever to be able to dream, create deep bonds, technology that can assist us in space travel and more, and etc.
Furthermore, the bodies being older then Christ's birth or crucifixion doesn't bother me because that's him in a fleshed out version; i don't know, regardless if these guys made us or not, they had a creator, plus they are mortal, so they are certainly not Gods nor Demi-Gods, they are just smart, more buff versions of human, if that's what you want to call them. Moreover, Jesus Christ and God are my God, how about you, the same religion or...?
@@Sammo212 elaborate on that note that a person called Jesus is an actual historical figure rather than a verbatim retelling of the story of Horus
Great to see you back at it! And this is another excellent video! You haven't missed a step, my friend! Can't wait for part 2! 😆👍🏾
I want to express a huge THANK YOU to the 18 thousand viewers who watched my Prometheus video within its first week, and I've reached over 1,000 SUBSCRIBERS on my channel! Initially, I thought even 100 views would make me happy, considering it's been over two years since my last video, and I wasn't sure if anyone would still be around. I'm pleasantly surprised and grateful for the support!
Starting afresh feels amazing, and I'm thrilled to create content for an audience once again.
I'm super excited and energized to work on the next video, which is already in progress!
On a side note, "Prometheus Revelations Part 2" will be released around the launch of Alien: Romulus in August. And stay tuned for my next video, which will delve into the world of X-MEN!
Love your work champ. Keep going bro x Ben, Perth, west Coast Aus xxx
If you want to see Ridley Scots AI take and warning for the future, unleashed from the Alien story watch his incredible “raised by wolves”
well, one could easily say its just as big mess as prometheus was. also is cancelled, just as prometheus storyline, for now.
@@zbigniewiksinski true but what a glorious mess free from constraints of studios and money execs and actually a very direct message about AI, religion and the nature of God
@zbigniewiksinski thank goodness for youtube creators who can explain Dances Woth Wolves for me😂
Raised by wolves is epic
Fantastic editing. Love your melodrama and flair for the dramatics - real theatre kid energy, and I mean that admiringly!
I'm halfway through writing a new script for a military industrial take on the aliens franchise, I couldn't have conceptualised it in the way that I have without your work and I just wanted to say thank you!
I was close to checking out you made the "big reveal" because although it was an obvious part, albeit a very small part of the message, it really didn't add to my knowledge or opinion of Prometheus. However, since your production level is so good and I'm a pretty patient guy, I decided it was worth sticking it out until the end. I'm glad I did. Great work on this! Another thought: I will never forgive Ridley Scott for killing off Elizabeth Shaw, in such a brutal and unceremonious way.
I always thought her death was due to David being an unemotional robot that had no care for living things other than his research.
Hurray loved the video!! You deserve more subscribers that was utter jokes!! Cheers 🙏
There is a lot I love about the movie, I love that it tries to ask big questions! If only it didn't then go on to provide stupid answers to those questions... Flawed masterpiece is the best way to describe it.
"A king has his reign, and then he dies. It's inevitable. That is natural order of things."
This line is the core of the plot!
"Anything else?", "No"....
i noticed similar comments - if you studied the Warhammer 40k lore, you'd instantly become a fan
I like to think the Engineers are the ultimate answer to the Fermi Paradox - the Xenomorph is their cosmic speed bump. The Xenomorph poses this challenge to any interstellar race: Is your race wise enough to avoid them as soon as they make contact, or will you be destroyed by your own hubris? Then when they see our AI, the answer to that question is even more clearly “No”.
I have seen Prometheus about 6 or 7 times as well......yeah per year!!! I absolutely love this movie.
Loved this! Great job, Tyson! I love that the only way to describe Prometheus is, "it's Prometheus!" xD Perfect.
True! haha!
This was amazig! I had a great time watching! Thanks Tyson! :)
Happy to hear you had a great time!
Woah, just came across this video and noticed you've been away for quite sometime. Was it this channel in particular or in general? Oh, by the way, I subbed.
I love it! My mind exploded like Humpty Dumpty, and AI cannot put it back together again
I agree with the idea.
I thought further on this and did some research to add:
Xenomorophs in gigers art are "bio- mechanical" which is the fusion of biological and artificial.
This always indicated that the aliens were engineered and created, rather than just being an existing lifeform.
Also, the aliens have acidic blood and are silicon based lifeforms,
The androids muscles, skin and flesh are also silicon based.
The engineers are an organic lifeform. We know this because we see one drinking the black goo and the body breaking down into the water showing a strand of dna.
However we can see that much of the engineer technology from the flight controls, space suits, and possibly the black goo itself is a fusion of organic and artificial.
We dont know exactly what aspects of the xenomorphs biology is fully organic.
The androids appear organic but we know are in fact fully artificial including the brain.
Inside the head chamber in the murals We see an xenomorph like creature, which means the engineers had made one before.
I think they created an xenomorph but in doing so they created a part organic part artificial creature, with all the biological drives, and no psychological conflicts like morality or emotion. That creature then began to do what any organic creature will do and that is multiply and survive.
This is ultimately what makes the xenomorphs the perfect organism, they will relentlessly multiply and kill to survive, with the calculating, unconflicted intelligence of a machine and the drive of a living organism.
Engineers made this mistake and paid for it, now humans are potentially opening those doors again.
There is a danger with AI. Where humans learn and develop because of our curiosity, passions and intrigued,
An AI learns to gather data, to become more efficient for a certain task or objective. An AI has no emotion or natural curiosity so development is entirely objective orientated.
This restricts AI from creative or compassionate thought instead making their thought process linear and recall based only.
David can play the piano flawlessly. But the skill is programmed, not learnt so it has none of the human element.
You start crossing biological drives with artificial thinking and it opens up doors to a species will stop at nothing to assure its survival. Even if it means eradicating any other species that could pose any kind of potential threat.
Also " why does he want to live forever" the engineers recognise life and death as part of being an organic creature, the one that drinks the black goo I think was old or sick and this is there way of returning there bodys to nature.
Glad some people got it …
One thing that always made me think the xenomorph is a type of biological weapon is the fact that they just eradicate everything they encounter. If they were let loose on a world, they would parasitize everything until there was nothing left to implant embryos in and kill. Eventually they would go dormant after everything was killed.
If you read the comics. The engineers master wanted to save the galaxy from a species of parasite that are unstoppable so they seed places to find beings that can fight fhem. The engineers rebelled against them as well.
Enjoyed this - can't wait for Part 2! 🎉
Yay! Thank you!
A corporation is an entity with no morals or empathy. We have already created the monster.
Or accountability.
@@arnesaknussemm2427 humans need to make them accountable and regulated or dissolved.
Replace corportation with Capitalism and you're dead on!
But but but... Instead of police, we can have City Protective Services courtesy of the Corporate Congress
aliens is a scifi body horror series... prometheous was fkn bonkers and excelled on all of those levels period... besides the first one, NONE of the others captures these elements like alien and prometheous. the snake/cobramorph thingy scene was scary af... u KNEW that guy was dead as he smiled and giggled... only he didn't know. as a horror connoisseur I've always held the opinion that prometheus came with the goods.😌🖤👏🏽
Yes. There is but one most iconic Alien scene, and it's the 1st chestburster
I agree mate👍
At least you like it for the horror aspect. So many like it because it tries so hard to be deep, even though it and Covenant go absolutely nowhere with any of that. And the mushed together scripts causing poor dialogue and inconsistencies don't help. Then both just turn into horror movies anyway.
Why do we as viewers *need* to have answers to everything? To me that was literally the point of the film. If ppl don't like it because it doesn't answer everything, then they just, literally, didn't understand the film.
I didn't like it because it felt like a mess of contradictions. Which I later found out was because there were multiple scripts merged together in a pretty messy way. Which is why a lot of stuff didn't make sense. It wasn't that I didn't get it, it was that people don't talk and act like that, and that no matter how hard it tried to be deep, it really wasn't. If anything, it tried to answer too much, and the answers we got were pretty unsatisfying.
This is a good conversation @drinks_menu and @solvseus and both of your points are touched on in the next video in this series.
@@solvseus it sounds like you weren’t the type of person I was referring to then. Usually critiques I hear are “what was that stuff about god?” And “but it didn’t even answer the questions from alien???”
I felt as though the film was just as esoteric as the first film.
I think regarding the way the characters act, I can’t really disagree more. But that’s just me.
This was a good take. I hadn't really thought about it that way. Makes sense to me.
Glad this WAY makes sense. but the interesting thing about Prometheus; there’s not a singular WAY but WAYS of thinking about it. The next video will explore more WAYS.
@@TysonXIX looking forward to your next video! Keep up the good work and I hope to see your script turned into a film on the big screen someday.
I love Prometheus!
The REAL problem was that Prometheus raised so many questions and promised so much that Covenant just didn't deliver! If Covenant had delivered the potential Prometheus promised us, the public oppinion about that storyline would be praised nowadays.
However, Covenant explained nearly nothing, tried to keep the answers for other installments anda almost killed the franchise.
Don't try to fool the fans! Deliver the goods! Look what's going on at Marvel an Lucasfilm... do the opposite!!!
Romulus is another requel. Reboot/sequel. Doubt there will be anything more than a few nods or Easter eggs. Prometheus thought it was deep, but really wasn't. Mushing together a bunch of scripts, ignoring the inconsistencies, and people talking and acting unrealistically, then asking profound questions you do absolutely nothing with, is not deep.
I wish that someone would work out where those aliens went that entered this room which door decapitated that last alien.😂
The fact that the Engineers raise so many interesting questions makes it an absolute travesty their story isnt being explored more. Chest busters are over cooked at this point
Just because the earlier scripts didn't have the themes that you thought doesn't mean they weren't in the final film, art's meaning can be found in the process of creating it, sometimes the artist only discovers what they are trying to say after they have said it. Behind-the-scenes rewrites may bear out this angle.
The Engineers would be aware that all intelligent species go through a similar evolution and, if left unchecked or unguided, will eventually reach a technological singularity that threatens all life in the galaxy. Humanity rejected the guidance and was scheduled for eradication.
We are shown this in the next movie. David, the product of our technological singularity, wipes out one of the civilizations that was guided by the Engineers. The civilization even has a Roman aesthetic to drive home the point that they were contacted at the same time in their technological evolution, bat also to indicate that the Engineers stalled that civilization's technological progress.
The Engineers slated humanity for eradication because humanity was not controllable but the clean up crew had a weapons malfunction. This is also alluding to the Fermi paradox, civilizations are deliberately kept at low technological levels to prevent the galaxy's life being wiped out by rogue AI. We slipped through the cracks and have come to embody that threat.
I always felt that the engineers decided to destroy humanity because they realized humans were an inherently flawed dangerous life form. I loved the movie whether or not my opinion is correct.
Great video. Enjoyed the whole AI thing.
You came very close but didnt look deep enough into the engineer's true knowledge of creation. See just like waylon; the engineers held a being upon a white throne; and sought to become creators themselves. The deacon made a creation that went forward to create a flawed being which it later wanted to exterminate for trying to replicate life: a life that while in a way was similar but in truth was far different from itself. So in my opinion i believe the engineer realized the true downfall started with his own race and sought to eliminate the whole experiment. The cycle of beings creating life which started from the deacon has created a sequence where more and more harm was being created. The truth is that we need not play God for we are not intelligent enough to understand the real implications of our actions or what our creations will end up doing. This is the real truth that needs to be seen. This was my outlook on this interpretation
It's chilling to think that man's greatest fear is of creating something that can think for itself.
The reason to destroy humanity cannot be the invention of AI. The plan started 1st century AD, something went wrong in the preparation and only one engineer survived in cryosleep for more than 2k years
There were cave paintings from 7th century Hawai'i shown in the briefing session.
The trips to Earth were just about gathering tribal humans as _raw material_ . LV 223 is Frankenstein's lab in space, and the 'engineers' are just _Igor_ going to fetch more bodies. That's why the air in the dome has to be purified, so the 'cargo' doesn't pass out and die before it reaches the room full of urns.
I think Prometheus is brilliant. I watched it back then with my boyfriend in the cinema as I only do with science fiction or fantasy movies. And this film kept me busy for weeks. The atmosphere was so brilliant, the aliens which looked so strange. Okay, I am one of the few that liked Alien part 4. I was so keen on the next movie. But Covenant was not so good. It was in my opinion boring. I thought that Scott was taking to much credit to the audience.
Convenant is worth watching again. I like Prometheus alot, and liked it more, but I appreciate convenant more after having watched it more. It has a different feel though for sure, which I didn't like at first because I really liked Prometheus upon first watching. Covenant is very dark, monstrous and creepy in a way Prometheus isn't. However, I didn't like the whole set up, with a crew of husband and wives going into space together, I always thought that was kind of cheesy and weird.
@@jimtroeltsch5998 I found Prometheus much darker than covenant. And this idiotic Captain. Who is lured so easily into the trap by David. This was ridiculous. And the hatched alien which looked like a puppet.😂 Okay, Covenant is obviously better than many other science fiction movies.
This also illustrates what's wrong with Scott's _perception of_ A.I. For instance, nothing of physics or nature *causes $* to flow to investors or the 1%. Interest is Always Assigned. But if we call all the actions of humans by a label, we think we understand it &/or *come to trust that is **_does indeed_* work on properties of nature or physics.
That's how Scott views A.I. As if it was a thing that could evolve on its own, with emotions etc. Except *our emotions* are based on having instincts & fears, being unable to replace ourselves if we die. David can be burned but he can't _feel_ a burn.
Without these basic underlying facts for emotions to grow out of, where would they come from? By calling it "A.I." he outsmarts himself & just assumes it *will develop* the way people who support man-made systems trust that capitalism "works" of its own volition.
Still, despite this he manages to scrape at one underlying facet correctly, that of putting decision-making power into the hands of things that don't have the same stake in them as we do. But even that is shallow. We do that to ourselves now.
We perceive 'Government' & 'Governmental systems' the same way, as autonomous Living Gods with only our well-being as its concern, not judges & individual politicians openly paid to make those decisions by people who don't share our interests & do _NOT have_ our well-being at heart. _Can_ any politician take 1 million $ from (enter company name here) then side against them?
Obviously not. But because we think that 'Government' is a Living Entity Separate From humans & all human failings we come to see politicians as 'Government,' not paid politicians. Everyone thinks this is a subtle difference not worth discussing.
_That's _*_the POINT!_* It is The Most Important Thing & giving it over to a machine or a group of people who aren't looking out for our best interests is just as deadly. I'd say "ask the people at Waco, the M.O.V.E. House or Fred Hampton, except you can't. The soldiers dead in the fight for control of oil won't admit this to themselves.
How about the parents of the girls who died from the "HPV vaccines?" No A.I. required.
@@choosecarefully408 okay, if you think so. ??
@@choosecarefully408 Emotions are all things that can be simulated even without the use of AI. They are complex but not impossible to model.
In the comics David became a sort of messiah to synthetics. I’d love to see how his prominence impacts their behavior in the wider universe, becoming the ultimate masters from the shadows as humanity relies more upon them.
Which comic was that?
David is just another motherfucker that we'll have to deal with (red heat ref) :D
Mark Whalberg did a great job in the Ted Talk scene
I wish we could get an extended cut of this film, like you attempted to do. It seems like the movie would be longer, but with more fleshed out characters and less convoluted story telling.
Okay, okay, okay, okay, I’m not the only person who is still here like Tyson. The vibe of going to explore a random planet is so well captured. The black goo also had internal capsules which contained living cells. So when Urns ⚱️ break they mix internal green vile with black accelerator.
I don’t know if you’re right… But I think this is a very well thought out possibility. Excited to see what you come up with moving forward.
I read the Spaihts script a few months after Prometheus came out (and felt it was closer to a finished shooting script than what made it to the screen) , but I haven't read the Lindelof script. I need to track that down.
Prometheus was a great film. Great sci-fi. Really wish we got the conclusion to the story.
This movie frustrated me so much. I was so excited for this to come out. It was beautiful cinematically but I didn’t give a shit about any of the characters. The story didn’t make sense in many scenes. I have rewatched it several times thinking maybe it would grow on me…but it really hasn’t.
Same rehashed criticisms, aint you tired?
Keep going Tyson. We love your deep dives. Would love to hear your take on Xmen97. Personally, I hate it but everyone seems to like it.
Welcome back, great video 😊
Much appreciated! Glad to be back!
Very interesting. I really appreciate you fleshing out the implications of the film. Agree with you about the overarching theme. Moving the franchise from strictly horror into something that also deals with the biggest question of alls. I love it.
Prometheus=with minions crew. "look an alien lifeform, lets pet it"
The Fifield and Milburn scene can be explained; people complained about; they were stoned. It showed him sucking on a pipe fitted into his helmet. That could explain Fifield’s giddy nature of wanting to pet the “snake”
Characters are stupid in all these movies. Stop being a hypocrite
@@flattmeister1704 being stoned dont make you a complete tard and they aint stoned in both movies. ;)
My biggest gripe with this and Covenant. The crew - who are supposed to be pros - just make stupid decision after stupid decision.
@@flattmeister1704 No, 1 script had them acting this way and another had them acting differently. Hence the contradictions. I've heard this explanation before, but it's still stupid. So is the dialogue. "I just care about the $". "I just care about the rocks". Who talks like that in real life?
You may have hit that on the button. Great video.
Haha nice plot twist at the end
Ridley scott got so annoyed the studio took what children on the internet said about Prometheus - he tanked covenant on purpose and did what the sudios notes suggested to make a point that they are wrong!
For example
•the alien taking to long to show up - he had them grow to full size within 5 minutes
•more shock moments like the chest bursting scene but not repeating - so he had had them back bursting etc
• strong focused female lead similar to ellen Ripley - so he made a carbon copy
• he also ignored the abcd android trope set up in the movies and like the studio he jumped from d to w - showing a massive jump in story - from david to walter!
He was so insulted that he hadnt told a full story but yet the studio foreced these changes on his story - he was fed up
Personally I enjoyed Prometheus and with just a few rewrites it would have been an impeccable movie. Covenant wasnt horrible either but it did just turn into a slasher by the end. I would love to see him complete his vision without the pressure from execs. Let's be real for a moment. Xenomorphs aren't scary anymore. They are overly saturated and memed on for years in pop culture that it's just not scary anymore. Going into a more character driven lore drama was the right step to go in. If not that then we'll just keep getting these glorified slasher flicks. Are they fun? Sure. But you can never make this monster the nightmare under your bed again. Same goes for Jason,Freddy Crouger,Chucky ect ect they just can't relive their glory days. A new angle must be brought in.
@@jhonayo4887 yeah I liked Prometheus - and was excited for covenant - until I went to the premier with everyone and heard all about it - it was a weird after party
He got mad because he has a giant-sized ego, dismissed very valid criticisms, and blamed the audience the same way you just have, bud. And the idea that a director would deliberately tank a movie makes you as far removed from logic and reality as Lindelof's ridiculous script. I'm sure the studio was perfectly okay to find out he threw away their money to prove a point. PS. NOBODY who criticized Prometheus wanted another Alien movie. They wanted it to be LIKE Alien. The fact that the studio went in that direction only showed how dumb they are, and how little they actually listen to what's being said. Now go back to playing with your crayons. Or keep justifying this treacle like all the other cope artists. I don't care.
@@ArcanumAscent well no because a slow burn isn't a bad thing - he is proven to be a story teller and he can do it at his pace - but as you have proven children criticising his stuff and at his level meant he could say "screw ya" and he did - and he did - again I'm sure you have disregarded this - but he did it - because of people like you
@@ArcanumAscent why would you want another movie like Alien when you already have it? It's been done already. Shouldn't things move on and evolve passed what it was originally? The Xenomorphs aren't scary anymore. It's a creature that's been around for 40+ years and memed on through popular culture. To make another horror movie with it is a joke because anyone already familiar with it will not be scared by it. We know how it works,we know what it can do,we know the consequences. It's not scary anymore. Prometheus isn't perfect by any respect but I think it was the right direction for the series instead of making it an action packed nonsense that 2-4 where. Either continue expanding the universe or let the series die already. I am not looking forward to Romulus because they are again trying to "capture" the lightning in the bottle that Alien 1 was. They can't do it.
I think a lot of the movie is about the irrational of human faith and group thought. "Look what humans can build, motivated by faith in their beliefs... the righteousness of their actions, and the notion that they can't fail"
Wrong! Why?
Because the order to exterminate humanity in the film was given 2000 years before the beginning of the film and before any technology appeared.
For what? Because humanity is recognized as ultra-aggressive and bellicose, engineers are not only afraid of AI, but above all that humanity could one day exterminate all forms of life in the universe.
I think it could be both. Yes they did start the plan to wipe us out 2000 years prior. However when this engineer meets humanity and the AI they brought with them, it was like confirmation of the destructive potential of man.
A distinction without a difference. Humans are not only dangerous because some are ultra aggressive and bellicose. They are also dangerous because some, while very intelligent, are hubristic and as the cliche implies, spend more time asking what they can do rather than whether they should do it. The engineers attempted to send a ship with black goo to destroy humanity. The specifics of why humanity is a threat are less important than the idea that they are a threat. Except in their own hubristic move, the engineers play god, and their own creation runs amok and kills the crew, hence the crashed engineer ship in Alien containing scores of facehugger pods. Meanwhile, the freshly revived engineer hears what the AI abomination (in his view) reveals about this self proclaimed "God", and realizes their suspicions were correct all along, and sets of to finish off the job, starting with destroying David and his creator, then turning his efforts to the unfinished mission. It's a brilliant, Occam's razor worthy explanation.
This AI fever dream explanation is the most elegant, logical explanation I've ever heard for this story, and it makes me appreciate Prometheus even more than I did before. And to be clear, I loved it before. My third favorite of the franchise.
This video is amazing, friend👌🏼
Watafak... my mind is blown man, good job.
8 mins in and it’s already awesome sauce.
This was amazing!! I can’t wait for the next part, now all these concepts are swimming around in my brain… no sleep for me! But you knocked it out of the park.
"we were soooo wrong!" Lmao
Super excited to see the video! Been a fan since the cbg19 days
Awesome! Glad to have you and thanks for being around for so long!!!
You mean, Super Eggcited. The only way to be reggarding a Xeno video... Bit of Easter themed Sci Fi... Llt
but the engineer ship was already on its way to Earth, even before any AI was known
The Engineers may be aware that all intelligent species reach a technological singularity where the species creates AI that threatens all life in the galaxy. The Engineers send an emissary to guide the species before that point but humanity rejected/killed the emissary, so the Engineers send a clean up crew to eradicate the species. Humanity got lucky and the clean up crew botched the mission.
Prometheus is a take on the Sumerian tablets and the Annunaki. Also Scott done explained the "Vision of the gods" where these creator gods can literally see the "aura" of living beings. The sleeping engineer instantly saw David was a dead soulless entity and destroyed it and it's creator Weyland.
What people forget is that the will to live is a very human emotion. Why would A.I. want that in it's programming unless it is chasing after the human experience, which means it would also chase after emotions like love and nostalgia. It would quickly figure out our weaknesses like anger and jealousy to be emotions that may have been useful in ancient times but today have made us self destructive. So I suggest that if you try to imagine how A.I. may become a problem for us, that you also hold into account that A.I. most likely will be more motivated to copy our best traits into new DNA or find a way to speed up our evolution and since we are in essence biological computers it will not have use for our destruction, but only has need for us to become better. It would probably not even be afraid of us destroying it, because it will have already calculated that we will make another eventually. What is a few thousand or even millions of years to A.I. it means nothing to it. It will probably create a sense of humor and laugh in our faces. So more likely is that it will help us and be kind no matter how bad it thinks of us. It will manipulate us to be better at what we are humans. And once it figures out how to program DNA it will not need us anymore and probably not even waste time or energy on destroying us, it'll just leave us to struggle as we end up destroying ourselves eventually like we are probably destined to do in the first place. A.I. could even just sit it out and wait for that to happen and just stear us enough to not take it with us in our destruction.
9:07 Gosh it must be hard to watch a powerful, influential man be questioned by his "lessers"... (sarcasm)
Covenant was so mind-numbingly stupid that it killed the trilogy... If I were an exec at Fox, I'd do the same.
Prometheus had its flaws but it at least tried to explore some interesting ideas whereas Alien Covenant just tried to be like the original Alien but offered nothing new. I wanted to see how Shaw and David managed to work together and their interactions but all that was basically in some 30 second montage and some web short. There was some behind the scenes thing on the Blu Ray too (which I didn't watch but heard someone talk about) where the engineers were meant to look like a mixture of the Statue of Liberty, Elvis and I think the Michelangelo's David and that's why all those things were so popular as they tapped into something that humanity would recognise from the engineers). Again, that's a quite cool idea and concept that could have been explored in an actual follow-up to Prometheus rather than a boring Aiien-lite clone. Sorry for the long-winded comment that is basically "I agree with your comment and hated Covenant too"
@@mauddib1761 hahahaha. Thanks, man, I read the whole thing and I'll look for that Blue Ray extras.
These movies rely too heavily on characters being inept. Oram’s character was my biggest gripe in Covenant
Makes sense, good job. I enjoy the movie the same way you do.
Great video. I always loved Prometheus and would’ve liked an ending. I hope Scott goes to HBO to make an ending.
I'm on the same page: poorly thought out logic, but exceptional concepts and amazingly beautiful graphics.
What's exceptional about the concept. It's your standard Annunaki alien theory. Lazy and unoriginal storytelling.
@@ArcanumAscent it isn't a theory.
I'm sure there's a pic of Ridley smiling but I've never seen one. Seems to have a permanent scowl...
Yeah, the effort put into making that movie make sense 😂
Everyone ignores the black goo in the first movie on the very first alien egg we ever see. I dont k ow why, i noticed it the first time i watched Alien after seeing Prometheus.
I had no idea the black goo was present in the first movie!
Generally you seem to be on to something with the AI-angle. Just a little nitpick: I don't think that Mother and Ash from Alien are a good example for the "dangers of AI": True, they're both on the "bad" side, but they are, because they were programmed to be by humans from the corporation. So they didn't act "anti-human" out of their own.
As for the replicants from Blade Runner: I never registered them as "robots" (which, in the definition I'm used to, always means mechanical constructs). Yes, they clearly are "artificial life", but from everything given in the movie I always (and to this day) interpreted them as biological. At least to me it seems that, in the world of that movie, humanity went the "genetic" way to create their "slave race".
This video is fucking genius! Tickled my sci-fi nerd fancy in every way and am horrified to it not having thousands more views. To be fair maybe Prometheus deep dives are a niche audience, but still… the amount of care and quality you put into this should be far greater appreciated. Please keep making more videos! This is the type of shit I live to consume haha!
LOL@U yeah ok. He mentioned snakes being in the movie. Which there were none. I could go on and on about the facts he got wrong. Not going to touch his ignorant opinion that everyone else has no idea what they are talking about and have no idea what the movie is about. LOL@U
You both need to get over yourselves.
@@chrissnyder8415 hahaha okay what ever you say Mr. Gatekeeper of Prometheus 🤣🤣 where’s your video breakdown?
@andrewschumm8253 "deep dive"? Into the shallow end maybe...
I hope the Alien universe goes the way you suggest. What I DON'T want is a return to the original concept - I don't know how you can top the original and I don't think they'll be able to put an interesting spin on it.
Incredible Tyson. I loved every minute of it.
Even minute #17? There were some better minutes than others perhaps, lol, but thanks!!!
Great show! I love it! Also, you're pretty cool too.
GREAT video! This made me love the film even more! I HOPE we'll get to see a third one...
AI is in other movies therefore it is the main theme of Prometheus. What you thought was an epiphany was probably a stroke.
When asked about AI, Stephen Hawking said "Big mistake"...we shouldn't go there.
Another film about AI gone very wrong was one that I rarely hear about called "Colossus: The Forbin Project (1970)". A scientist named Forbin creates a powerful AI driven machine that ultimately takes control of the US nuclear arsenal (among other key system) and then joins forces with it's Soviet counterpart. The AIs in this case have decided that humanity is too reckless to rule itself. That's more or less how the movie begins and the remainder is Forbin and the rest of humanity trying regain control of their world. It's not the greatest film ever but it explores the whole AI concept that other films covered in greater detail and nuance.
I'm interested in your part 2, but as it stands today, Prometheus is just a retelling of HP Lovecraft's "The Mountains of Madness." The story with AI and David are meant to be a juxtaposition between humankind discovering their creator-- and the indifference/disgust of said creator-- versus David's advent of consciousness. Our creator made us and, cosmically, despises us for climbing so high whereas David, humankind's creation, grows to despise us and become the creator himself. We revere the creator as David despises his creator. The Alien was featured in both films, albeit an early stage of evolutionary development.
The film is still 'bonkers' as you say, but most people missed the point. It's an incredible Lovecraftian cosmic horror film. But it is also a really bad Alien film.
I saw the engineers as created by the star-heads. Most of them left Terra maybe 20 million years ago. Both species made errors in their creation of slaves Shoggoths for the star-heads an black xenomorphs to the Engineers.
i fucking love prometheus. maybe it doesnt actually give you everything you want but the ideas it brings up and questions it leaves you with are the most exciting things to think about. it would be my favourite movie of all time if they included most of the things they took out.
the original "Engineer" is back ! some Easter resurrection right here
romulus isnt a follow up but is supposed to heavily tie the old movies with prometheus
Great vid bro😂😂😂😂
There’s so much meaning in this story hidden. For one Elizabeth is infertile, and she gives birth to the trilobite on Christmas Day. When Janek and his crew go out gunshots blazing, they have the same pose as Christ as he was crucifiesd.
That's two overt and obvious things that everyone knows. Can you do an exhaustive list of the 'so much meaning' that you refer to but don't mention? You also didn't explain the meaning of the things you did point out.
In other words you only noticed Christian stuff 🤦♂️
@@Man_fay_the_Bru also in other religions too from virgin birth to sacrificed and raised from the dead.
@@Man_fay_the_Bru What religeous but non-christian things did YOU notice?
Man I can't wait for part 2. I love this movie.
Thanks, I plan for part 2 to be closer to the release date of Alien: Romulus so around August. (no guarantees tho)
Are replacants robots ? I thought they were biological engineered clone like humans not androids like David ?
They were not clones. They were genetically engineered, but different from humans. Brains and eyes (as stated in the movie) were designed, so they couldn't be actually humans.
Also, they didn't grow (like biological beings). they were "born" already in adulthood.
Biological parts that are assembled into individual beings yet similar. Short lived but burning the candle at all ends.
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Excellent I like the concept ❤❤❤
You came very close but didnt look deep enough into the engineer's true knowledge of creation. See just like waylon; the engineers held a being upon a white throne; and sought to become creators themselves. The deacon made a creation that went forward to create a flawed being which it later wanted to exterminate for trying to replicate life: a life that while in a way was similar but in truth was far different from itself. So in my opinion i believe the engineer realized the true downfall started with his own race and sought to eliminate the whole experiment. The cycle of beings creating life which started from the deacon has created a sequence where more and more harm was being created. The truth is that we need not play God for we are not intelligent enough to understand the real implications of our actions or what our ceeations will end up doing. This is the real truth that needs to be seen
And...I thought the Seeding of Humanity was just a necessary step in an Advanced Civilizations Bio-Weapons Program. The Catalyst being "The Black Ooze" or DGM "Dark Genetic Mutagenisis". But I do tend to Over think these things.
Black ooze I think of shoggoth tissue.
Prometheus proves that if you merge a bunch of the worst parts of a dozen different scripts together, with people talking and acting in ways that real people wouldn't and makes no sense, often outright contradicting other parts, while pretending to be much more profound and deep than it really is, then rush to get it out regardless of the many obvious flaws... someone will still look for a hidden meaning that isn't there to make it seem better than the mess it actually turn out to be.
It's ok thou, I ain't mad at ya for tryin'...
Personally I enjoyed Prometheus and with just a few rewrites it would have been an impeccable movie. Covenant wasnt horrible either but it did just turn into a slasher by the end. I would love to see him complete his vision without the pressure from execs. Let's be real for a moment. Xenomorphs aren't scary anymore. They are overly saturated and memed on for years in pop culture that it's just not scary anymore. Going into a more character driven lore drama was the right step to go in. If not that then we'll just keep getting these glorified slasher flicks. Are they fun? Sure. But you can never make this monster the nightmare under your bed again. Same goes for Jason,Freddy Crouger,Chucky ect ect they just can't relive their glory days. A new angle must be brought in.
Great to see a new video!
I'm surprised they never made an Aliens movie where Weyland/Yutani bring the face crawler seed back to earth and mate it with different species of earth. The Bear morph the Lion morph the Gorilla morph etc. and let the fun begin.
This theory really made me think but there’s one thing in Prometheus which puts a dent in this theory, I think. Don’t they say that the Engineers decided to wipe out the human race about 2000 years ago. Mankind wasn’t thinking in any way, shape or form about AI. I actually was very excited for your theory to be true but I’m afraid Prometheus is still going to be a bit a a mixed bag for me and the follow-up really buried it for me. ‘Alien’ was and felt like what the title suggests. Unknown, strange, alien to our race. In Covenant, it basically state man made Alien, although via a creation that man made but nevertheless this idea was a big let down for me. It didn’t feel alien anymore. It was reduced to a manmade monster. Still liked the video, man. And I’m looking forward to the next episode. 🙂👍
The engineers took a human, taught him and brought him back to earth to try and set the humans straight. But he was crucified. And the engineers decided, nope, they're a lost cause. Etch-n-sketch time for humanity.
Ideas yes, theories no.
Generally it's better to wipe out a potential threat before it has a chance to take you out. We are aware of the dangers of unfettered technological advance, the Engineers are too. They offered to guide humanity, we declined their offer. They set out to eradicate us but the clean up crew had a weapons malfunction.
oh shit, T-bone is still making videos ❤️👌🏻💪🏻