@@mikebagwell8229 I don't think there is a way around the DPF. Don't all the diesel trucks have them? Even new diesel locomotives are subject to strict emission standards.
Chris Sims was incredibly sharp and very articulate. Was a joy to listen to that guy speak about something he knows up, down, backwards, and forwards. Much like yourself with Ford Trucks, Bill.
Looks like that truck operates in Comifornia... it's "Clean Air Idle Certified" they won't be able to delete this one and still run it on California roads.
its a federal crime you may get lucky and not get caught but then theres always dot out there looking for deleted trucks and being over 10k they can pull you over just for a check
2000 F250 260,000 front seal had a leak this weekend got a seal and a fluidampr harmonic balancer why a 400 dollar balancer cause I to will be keeping it forever
I think since 2017 with the cost of diesels as an option and their limited life now (220,000 max, was 1 million) you can no longer recover your investment on a diesel. Plus add the urea iniection (DEF), DPF and EGR maintenance you just lose out as a non commercial owner. The discussion about the sensors and the cross referencing of all those values? What do you think the chance is for a check engine light? The EPA simply has choked the life of a diesel into the ground for the regular guy.
Who told you there life is 220000 max I’m sorry but your wrong bud there’s 6.7s out there with 300 400k on them not deleted it’s called maintenance just like on old trucks got to do the maintenance if you don’t it will die do matter what
@@woodyfregia6653 I can't find a single dealer who's had a post 2017 motor come in with more than 220,000 miles and some major maintenance prior to that point. In the old days it was just broken in. Now, at 220,000 you've spent $5000 somewhere (fuel rail, fouled injectors- injector pump now at 20,000 psi and going higher) don't have clean fuel you've killed an injector... Maybe you've had 300,000 but how much did you spend to get there? Again I'm talking post 2017.
This was a VERY informative and interesting video Bill and Mikey and Chris. Well Done guys ! Ive been working on Big trucks for more than 40 years, and I have learned something today ! Enjoyed
Bill and Mike, you made a great video here. Nice job. Ford and their tank liners- ridiculous and not one word about it after warranty. The DPF and DOC burnout, excellent.
Use copper antiseize on those sensors and you’ll never have a problem. And for that matter, use it on everything except internal engine parts. If the factory would use it there would never be a nut and bolt problem. Saved my ass many times!!!!
Having a ForScan capable laptop and USB adapter saved my butt with a 2015 I had. Was able to do static regeneration without bringing it to the dealer. Used Hotshot EDT from there on out and never had issues again.
If you do mostly around town driving then expect big problems with your dpf. I used to have to jump on the highway and take a 45 minute or more drive just to try to regen the dpf. Extra driving and fuel burning just to burn off soot “makes perfect sense to me”
I had a 5 ton 6.4, easy pressure was cleaned all the backed up soot in the DPF. The ash looked like light grey ash from a charcoal BBQ. That DPF was so clean the computer threw codes on too clean DPF because I didn't reset the computer.
The issue that i see with those tanks is that as he says the die comes out in the fuel and the die is red if you get stopped by dot or mto and they dip your tanks they will think it is coloured fuel
Yet another reason to love my 7.3 Excursion. Someone else recently made a comment on one of the other videos that if GM made a diesel option for the Suburban, it would destroy the Excursion market. Ummmm NOPE! This video is exactly why the 7.3 and properly bulletproofed (by Bill) and tuned 6.0L will stay in high demand!
That has been out for years as a option going back to 2011. just most dealers for whatever stupid reason dont tick the box for the option. i think if you take it to ford (or have Forscan) you can activate it. As far as im concerned should be standard equipment on any diesel vehicle
Curtis Anderson ...your 6.0 is over 10 years old! ...my 1984 f250 6.9 diesel only cost $2500 total - FIFTEEN YEARS AGO when I bought it, but I’m not gonna brag at how cheap it is to fix. My 2019 f250 Powerstroke was expensive, is expensive and will likely remain expensive. Do you really think us guys that buy them expect them to be cheap? Lol They’re enjoyable, quick, quiet and strong. Capability is undeniable as well. None of those things come cheap!
Is it possible to hollow one out? Similar to a catalytic converter in the old days. Just thinking, if you delete its obvious. If you hollow that sucker out it would retain the factory look....
Luke K Ray And it would run for about 11 seconds before throwing about 12 codes and derating. It’s incredible how many people still have no idea how these things work!! What do you think all those 9 sensors are for??
Amerika has implemented the most stringent air pollution standards while China & India are free to pollute as much as they want.....What's wrong with this picture ??
It's legislation based on self interest. Not saving the planet. It's about saving their own little habitat. They are worried that in the future they might be inconvienenced
@@reponut12345 Its only a Crime if you remove it. What this bud is saying is cut the Dpf get it cleaned by these guys for 250 then weld flanges or whatever on to either side and re install. all in upfront cost would only be at most 1500 bucks with parts and labor instead of a 5000 dollar repair job. then if you ever need to get it cleaned again you just break the flanges and clean it for another 250 plus whatever time it takes you to take it out or labor to have a shop do it.
I see a few comments here saying DELETE. Local shops in Texas are selling parts but refuse to do the work. EPA has issued $1,000,000 fines for installing the equipment. So they refuse now. But what about spot checks? Not planning to go anywhere? Farm truck only? That's not what the truck is for? Is the $3750 fine per device worth it? I see Oregon and Mississippi are the only states not checking at all. Yes, we understand that as the owner, you can do whatever you want to your truck. However, if the rig is driven on the public roads, the federal Clean Air Act (CAA) still makes it illegal to mess with anything related to pollution control. To that end, the CAA gives the Environmental Protection Agency and its assigned outlets the right to prosecute anyone for removing, tampering with, or modifying pollution-related parts on any vehicle, as well as the right to prosecute the owner of said vehicle. To what extent the prosecution goes seems very vague from the response we got when we asked the EPA about the specifics on the enforcement and fines, which, according to Title II of the CAA, can be up to $3,750 per device removed and $37,500 per vehicle modified. Obviously California is the worst place to go.
Most areas of TN dont have emissions checks. We wouldnt suggest deleting if any of the big three would make the systems reliable. We quit cutting the cats out of our cars 20yrs ago because emissions equip. on gas engines no longer ruins the engine. They could do it with diesels too if they wanted to.
@@atvrepairsandmore2482 interesting comment. I think that relationship is because you KNOW the owner. If you are an unknown they won't take the chance. Much like a regular inspection on a vehicle you know is a piece of junk. But, it gets by.
First one of the newer body style I’ve seen on this channel. With all this emissions crap they use nowadays, I figured it was only a matter of time until all the new trucks were gonna be in the shop for something like this.
Doesn't help these guys weren't on top of their maintenance. Like dont get me wrong i hate the DPF. But it goes a long way if you maintain and let the regen. Unfortunately the olden days are gone
They should cut the exhaust assembly and reweld it after cleaning the sections separately. It's fairly simple to do for a stainless steel welder with a good MIG welder. You couyd even make and sell Vbands kits to get the unit serviceable then. way cheaper than buying a new one,profitable enough also,it's simple piping work for a welder.
I have been told that in California, you can't even clean or rebuild a DPF legally, you are required to buy a new OEM DPF when your DPF fails. I hope I'm never in California. In order to extend DPF life, Mercedes, VW, and BMW have their own oil specifications which have about 500-600 PPM of phosphorous. They can do that because they build DOHC engines. I think a Ford PSD or any other OHV diesel would quickly fail if that kind of oil was used.
A Ford mechanic told me to use brake fluid (of all things) as a solvent to loosen the sensors and nuts and bolts on the exhaust. Turns out, he's right. That's what years of experience does for you.
Greg Corkern That’s not gonna happen my friend. If you’ve ever pulled 26,000 lbs with a gas engine you’ll understand why. The 2020 Powerstroke is rolling off the lines now, with 10-spd HD Auto. Over 1000 tq. 20 mpg highway empty. Gas will never beat that kinda combo!
You must not have seen the power numbers for that engine. It can't compete with these diesels, not even close. Now if you're not towing all the time, maybe.
Would using a chemical cleaner such as Liqui Moly DPF cleaner every so often help? I have a '15 Ecodiesel and '14 Bluetec both are highway vehicles, until I switched jobs and primarily drive in town with the truck now. But take it on a weekly 1 hour long interstate trip, and use hot shot secret haven't got a chance to try the Archoil. I'm assuming alot of the fleet issues are due to idling for long periods, or constant in town deliveries.
DOC - Diesel Oxidation Catalyst - where the injected diesel fuel “oxidizes” to heat up the DPF - that turns soot to ash. DEF is injected into a decomposition tube prior to the SCR Brick catalyst.
@@brandonmclean6525 hell we showed world champion twh horses in the early 90s had a 32ft. Goose neck Most weekends that trailer was full pulled with a 1986 Chevy ton truck 454 4spd had maybe 250 hp and 380 ft lbs to Those nos. Are just for sake
Same here. We pulled with small block 3/4 tons for years. Now I have an 04 Dodge cummins. 305hp, 555lb/ft torque is more than enough to pull everything on our farm.
@@oletom6970 My old man had a 1973 3/4 ton GMC Sierra pickup (with camper special package and 454 CI big block) that he ordered from the local dealer at the time and that bad boy pulled 30 ft gooseneck trailers full of cattle or round bales of hay with no problems for 20 years until he finally wore it smooth out. That truck was a beast and I loved driving it as a young 16 year old because it would accelerate like the space shuttle when you floored it and that Quadra-jet would make that low whoooommmmmm noise from the secondary butterfly valves opening on that carb. Bad thing is it could pass everything except a gas station.
I drive gas trucks now to avoid costly repairs like this. I'd delete it but I can see how some states can be more strict than others. Here in Texas no one really says anything but i could see how California would throw a fit.But to me I think I'd rather get a ticket then have to deal with issues like that.
This is for the guys who work for the US Government please get rid of the DPF/EGR/SCR systems on the New Diesel Trucks and to hell with the legality aspect of it Deleteing the Diesel Trucks shouldn’t be illegal EVER
Sounds like to me, time to start asking questions about single line CATS, DPF etc instead of modular so you can spend $250 instead of $3500 for cleaning. Right now Ford answers their own questions, NO.
A Titan Fuel Tank could fix the tank issue and double the range. Might be worth designing a weld on a v-band flange kit to split those canisters into sections so it can be serviced.
B&K Excavating LLC If it was a plugged DPF, he was ...if something went wrong engine wise and it burned oil quickly, then he may not have seen it. But I’m guessing you’d get a particulate matter / nox sensor / p0401 code anyways. I’m guessing driver ignored it all.
I'm guessing there was a LOT of idling going on with his truck. It's the nature of the delivery business. If you have a delivery route, you can't just go off and spend time driving for the hell of it because you got that goofy message on the dash telling you "more driving necessasry". We're doomed . . .
This is why Ford should do a commercial or have informed dealerships on the 6.7 2017 and up, I have a 18’ I will never have a shop do a static regen, I have the OCR turned on in my truck, when I can no longer do a drive to clean, the truck prompts me to do a OCR, operator command regen, it’s a stationary regen, I just reached 50k, only had to do one OCR, now I jut ordered from Diesel Maintenance.Com,,,a foam cleaning package for cleaning DPF’s it cost me $385, they say you don’t need to remove the exhaust to do it, just remove the forward temp sensor and use their foam injection tool, but that’s another $400, I’ll just remove the exhaust, it don’t take long, and I will do this at 75k or maybe sooner, only folks who are not informed and don’t care about properly maintaining their diesel will suffer in the wallet. I enjoy maintaining my truck, makes me feel good,,,or for a low price of $2200 get the program and the owner can do forced regens, shops around here charge $800 for a forced regen, or like the mechanic in the video states, run good clean fuel, and service your engine oil and fuel filters regularly, I do my fuel filters every time I change my oil, 5k miles, and I run archoils fuel treatment every tank, all about taking care of your stuff and generally it will take care of you in the long run
First time I’ve heard of tank liner issues. I have an 05 F250, I would be shocked if this has been addressed. Any way to know when or if this might become a problem?
With all the sensors on the DPF, why doesn't the computer shut down the truck before damage occurs to the engine? I have a 2012 550 and had Ford flash the computer to allow me to do a commanded static regen. I can only do this when the DPF reaches 100 percent. I wish it could be commanded at lower levels. Is there anything other than not interrupting the regen process that can extend the life of the DPF SCR unit?
If it was my personal truck #1 it wouldnt even be on there but in your case I'd metabo it in pieces and take them to him in pieces .. saves 3k.. but I know the corks of owning a business and being responsible for what leaves ect.. awesome video as usual thank you for your effort in deisel content
Can you safely run an old school fuel additive like Marvel Mystery Oil or Berryman’s B-12 in the fuel of these modern diesels? I’m in charge of a fleet of about 20 trucks and use the MMO consistently in port injected gas trucks and older diesel equipment. Can I use the same product on a new 6.7?
That DPF filter can be cleaned. It has to cut out of system with a cutting wheel (works great and is easy, make sure to mark it for alignment) after dpf is cleaned just realign and weld back together.
I'm looking at a 09 250, I'd like to get your thoughts on 09 ford diesels with the restrictions for the tree huggers or should I look for an older model which I'm fine with to get away from these restrictor, I e had 3 different diesel trucks all Ford 2000, 2001, 1999 and they were great not problems and of course they were the 7.3s, I appreciate it, thanks
Run away. 6.4s have more issues than you can shake a stick at. Even deleted and a proper tune they have problems. Especially since your gonna be buying used. As for what to get depends. Do you care for the modern amenities like heated seats and audio controls or can you live without it. Personally i like the 7.3. Bullet proof motor. If your gonna get a 6.0 get a 05-07 truck the 03 and 04 tend to be a bit more problematic. I hope i got this comment to you before you got stuck with that 6.4
20 years from now we’re all going to be showing our children how these DPF filters were the current state of the art technology that we put in our trucks.
All of this is in an effort to eliminate nitrous oxide . First they put an egr system on to cool off combustion temperature to reduce nitrous . But that makes the engine run like crap and make lots of smoke necessitating the soot trap and then you still need the catalyst and Def to take care of the nitrous the engine still produces . Why not just make the engine run right and then take care of the nitrous anyway . Cat mechanical injection engines in the late 70s and 80s met today's smoke standard and then the feds started towards mandating all this garbage . It's why cat doesn't make a truck engine anymore .
DPF maintenance... DELETE IT
So instead of keeping my truck forever, I have to buy a whole new truck every few years... and that's green?
What would we do without government?
Cash for clunkers?
LOL!!Amen!
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Just another video to tell me that the best thing for these motors is a full delete!!
I agree. Delete the whole motor and pick another truck.
G D what about the environment? Help save the environment by replacing your Diesel engine every 150k miles.
Illegal but okay
@@mikebagwell8229 I don't think there is a way around the DPF. Don't all the diesel trucks have them? Even new diesel locomotives are subject to strict emission standards.
@@moaski
What does it matter? Our world is going to die in about 11 and a half years anyway so why worry?
Gosh i hate it when a large bumps make parts fall off...
Tread Lightly Services LLC. Lol ford problems😂😂
Chris Sims was incredibly sharp and very articulate. Was a joy to listen to that guy speak about something he knows up, down, backwards, and forwards. Much like yourself with Ford Trucks, Bill.
If you’re able to delete the trucks, DO IT!!
Looks like that truck operates in Comifornia... it's "Clean Air Idle Certified" they won't be able to delete this one and still run it on California roads.
its a federal crime you may get lucky and not get caught but then theres always dot out there looking for deleted trucks and being over 10k they can pull you over just for a check
7.3L has nothing. I will keep it forever
Me too!! 2000 f350 264,000 pull big camper,one trany rebuild ,before I added the mishimoto trans cooler. Next trans I will go with a stage 2
Same 2001 only 140k on it now bought it with 92k on it
2000 F250 260,000 front seal had a leak this weekend got a seal and a fluidampr harmonic balancer why a 400 dollar balancer cause I to will be keeping it forever
Yea 7.3 has nothing, no cat, no DPF no scr no egr and no power.
Delete that garbage and never look back.
I love these videos. I learn so much. Nobody else has this kind of information.
Good to see you and Mike, (Mikey) :) promoting another hard working guy running an honest business.
I think since 2017 with the cost of diesels as an option and their limited life now (220,000 max, was 1 million) you can no longer recover your investment on a diesel. Plus add the urea iniection (DEF), DPF and EGR maintenance you just lose out as a non commercial owner. The discussion about the sensors and the cross referencing of all those values? What do you think the chance is for a check engine light? The EPA simply has choked the life of a diesel into the ground for the regular guy.
Rob B I agree I hate the epa for that
Who told you there life is 220000 max I’m sorry but your wrong bud there’s 6.7s out there with 300 400k on them not deleted it’s called maintenance just like on old trucks got to do the maintenance if you don’t it will die do matter what
Wonder what the gas 7.3 will be like....
@@SJ-yd6hl hmm let's see. The 7.3, the 12 and pre emissions 24 valve cummins, Detroits.need I say more?
@@woodyfregia6653 I can't find a single dealer who's had a post 2017 motor come in with more than 220,000 miles and some major maintenance prior to that point. In the old days it was just broken in. Now, at 220,000 you've spent $5000 somewhere (fuel rail, fouled injectors- injector pump now at 20,000 psi and going higher) don't have clean fuel you've killed an injector...
Maybe you've had 300,000 but how much did you spend to get there? Again I'm talking post 2017.
This was a VERY informative and interesting video Bill and Mikey and Chris. Well Done guys ! Ive been working on Big trucks for more than 40 years, and I have learned something today !
Enjoyed
Bill and Mike, you made a great video here. Nice job. Ford and their tank liners- ridiculous and not one word about it after warranty. The DPF and DOC burnout, excellent.
Use copper antiseize on those sensors and you’ll never have a problem. And for that matter, use it on everything except internal engine parts. If the factory would use it there would never be a nut and bolt problem. Saved my ass many times!!!!
Having a ForScan capable laptop and USB adapter saved my butt with a 2015 I had. Was able to do static regeneration without bringing it to the dealer. Used Hotshot EDT from there on out and never had issues again.
Had one clean on my 2011 f-450. Cut it apart, cleaned and welded back together. No problems at all.
dint you have computer problems since all of those components were suppose to be there?
If you do mostly around town driving then expect big problems with your dpf. I used to have to jump on the highway and take a 45 minute or more drive just to try to regen the dpf. Extra driving and fuel burning just to burn off soot “makes perfect sense to me”
Can someone say time to start deleting dpf? If you dont live in a comi state of course.
@@1Slamalama1 agree. If you are putting 50% of your exhaust right back into the intake....you're gonna have problems.
I had a 5 ton 6.4, easy pressure was cleaned all the backed up soot in the DPF. The ash looked like light grey ash from a charcoal BBQ. That DPF was so clean the computer threw codes on too clean DPF because I didn't reset the computer.
The DPF is now scrap...why not try cutting it and trying to clean it...then weld it back together? Whats the worst that can happen?
you waste alot of time you can not bill for / it fails later destroys the engine and you are on the hook because of the half ass repair
The issue that i see with those tanks is that as he says the die comes out in the fuel and the die is red if you get stopped by dot or mto and they dip your tanks they will think it is coloured fuel
Yet another reason to love my 7.3 Excursion. Someone else recently made a comment on one of the other videos that if GM made a diesel option for the Suburban, it would destroy the Excursion market. Ummmm NOPE! This video is exactly why the 7.3 and properly bulletproofed (by Bill) and tuned 6.0L will stay in high demand!
They did. they had 6.5 or 6.2 detriot engines.
Ever seen a Duraburb conversion?
Happiest day of my life is when I scraped it.
Makes me happy that I have a 7.3...wished you guys still worked with them!
There is no money in that market lol
I thought Bill loved them! I was counting on taking my truck there when it (IF) it finally failed....I hope you are mistaken
Any idea why they dont work on 7.3s anymore?
@@escanormurillo9742 he made a video saying that they are too reliable to make money off of
@@escanormurillo9742 They haven't made that motor since the beginning of the 03 model year. It's obsolete. He has a shop he refers to.
Ford recently released a pcm calibration that allows a static regeneration through a setting in the instrument cluster without a scan tool.
That has been out for years as a option going back to 2011. just most dealers for whatever stupid reason dont tick the box for the option. i think if you take it to ford (or have Forscan) you can activate it. As far as im concerned should be standard equipment on any diesel vehicle
Makes me happier that I decided to rip this out of my '17. It's amazing how heavy the DPF is.
Love my 6.0 more and more all the time. My entire stainless exhaust with a muffler was $298.00 and there are 0 sensors in it.
Curtis Anderson ...your 6.0 is over 10 years old! ...my 1984 f250 6.9 diesel only cost $2500 total - FIFTEEN YEARS AGO when I bought it, but I’m not gonna brag at how cheap it is to fix. My 2019 f250 Powerstroke was expensive, is expensive and will likely remain expensive. Do you really think us guys that buy them expect them to be cheap? Lol They’re enjoyable, quick, quiet and strong. Capability is undeniable as well. None of those things come cheap!
Amazing team of technical professionals. You’ve got some great business alliances.
A bill Hewitt 6.0 is looking pretty good after seeing this. Lol.
bluebird5100 a Cummins conversion looks better than that
Great Americans getting it done!
Is it possible to hollow one out? Similar to a catalytic converter in the old days. Just thinking, if you delete its obvious. If you hollow that sucker out it would retain the factory look....
Luke K Ray And it would run for about 11 seconds before throwing about 12 codes and derating. It’s incredible how many people still have no idea how these things work!! What do you think all those 9 sensors are for??
Step one: remove DPF.
Step two: NEVER reinstall it.
Problem solved forever.
Step three: watch fuck you and your wallet in the ass when you get caught with it
A good idea would be to leave DPF on, but install a Y valve you can switch in the truck.
Very important to know
Thanks so much for sharing with US Billy.
From Jacksonville FL.
Did anybody catch the wasp crawling up Chris' shoulder at 14:50?
Jack Krinkov saw that too! It was huge
Yes 😲
It’s an honor to be the first commenter, Mr. Hewitt.
You guys are the best. Simple straight to the point info. Thank you
I love diesels but this is why I own a gas motor
Thanks Bill , I learn so much from your videos..
Knowledge dump! Love that shop.
Amerika has implemented the most stringent air pollution standards while China & India are free to pollute as much as they want.....What's wrong with this picture ??
So your solution is to allow the US to pollute also?
It's legislation based on self interest. Not saving the planet. It's about saving their own little habitat. They are worried that in the future they might be inconvienenced
I'd be taking a band saw to the unit and weld band flanges so it can be taken apart to service. 3400? Wow.
federal crime
Bend Over!! Corn holing about to start.
@@reponut12345
It's not if you weld it back . That's. What the professional shops do.
@@reponut12345 yeah? And? It used to be a federal crime to drink alcohol too.
@@reponut12345 Its only a Crime if you remove it. What this bud is saying is cut the Dpf get it cleaned by these guys for 250 then weld flanges or whatever on to either side and re install. all in upfront cost would only be at most 1500 bucks with parts and labor instead of a 5000 dollar repair job. then if you ever need to get it cleaned again you just break the flanges and clean it for another 250 plus whatever time it takes you to take it out or labor to have a shop do it.
You can have ford enable the manual generation. Also enable the DPF percentage full.
Take it out gut it put a muffler in its place or drilling 3 inch hole through the daggum thing and the cat put it back up it looks like it’s there
I see a few comments here saying DELETE. Local shops in Texas are selling parts but refuse to do the work. EPA has issued $1,000,000 fines for installing the equipment. So they refuse now.
But what about spot checks? Not planning to go anywhere? Farm truck only? That's not what the truck is for? Is the $3750 fine per device worth it? I see Oregon and Mississippi are the only states not checking at all.
Yes, we understand that as the owner, you can do whatever you want to your truck. However, if the rig is driven on the public roads, the federal Clean Air Act (CAA) still makes it illegal to mess with anything related to pollution control.
To that end, the CAA gives the Environmental Protection Agency and its assigned outlets the right to prosecute anyone for removing, tampering with, or modifying pollution-related parts on any vehicle, as well as the right to prosecute the owner of said vehicle.
To what extent the prosecution goes seems very vague from the response we got when we asked the EPA about the specifics on the enforcement and fines, which, according to Title II of the CAA, can be up to $3,750 per device removed and $37,500 per vehicle modified.
Obviously California is the worst place to go.
Most areas of TN dont have emissions checks.
We wouldnt suggest deleting if any of the big three would make the systems reliable. We quit cutting the cats out of our cars 20yrs ago because emissions equip. on gas engines no longer ruins the engine. They could do it with diesels too if they wanted to.
There's still plenty of shops in Texas doing it. Most the people I know though just order kits online and do the install there self.
@@seanhazelwood3311 I think the CAT now is to just eliminate the smell. The NOX reduction numbers are total BS.
@@atvrepairsandmore2482 interesting comment. I think that relationship is because you KNOW the owner. If you are an unknown they won't take the chance. Much like a regular inspection on a vehicle you know is a piece of junk. But, it gets by.
@@atvrepairsandmore2482 give me a name of a shop. I called. NO ONE will do the work.
First one of the newer body style I’ve seen on this channel. With all this emissions crap they use nowadays, I figured it was only a matter of time until all the new trucks were gonna be in the shop for something like this.
Doesn't help these guys weren't on top of their maintenance. Like dont get me wrong i hate the DPF. But it goes a long way if you maintain and let the regen. Unfortunately the olden days are gone
They should cut the exhaust assembly and reweld it after cleaning the sections separately.
It's fairly simple to do for a stainless steel welder with a good MIG welder.
You couyd even make and sell Vbands kits to get the unit serviceable then.
way cheaper than buying a new one,profitable enough also,it's simple piping work for a welder.
could do flanges as well. Make it easy. Saw it in another comment
I have been told that in California, you can't even clean or rebuild a DPF legally, you are required to buy a new OEM DPF when your DPF fails. I hope I'm never in California.
In order to extend DPF life, Mercedes, VW, and BMW have their own oil specifications which have about 500-600 PPM of phosphorous. They can do that because they build DOHC engines. I think a Ford PSD or any other OHV diesel would quickly fail if that kind of oil was used.
Thank you for this educational video I really appreciate it it will save me a lot of money in the long run
What a time bomb Ford engineers what will they think of next
All Diesel truck's have them not just Ford
Preventive maintenance is very simple
Cant you enable a operator manual regen in the instrument cluster with the ids so that the customers can start one them selves.
A Ford mechanic told me to use brake fluid (of all things) as a solvent to loosen the sensors and nuts and bolts on the exhaust. Turns out, he's right. That's what years of experience does for you.
the Australian Toyota Hi-lux DPF is a class action law suit against them for the DPF failing, gotta love the emission controls.
Green is not only not free, green isn't green at all.
Yah no shit plugged up getting 10 mpg. No performance, no longevity. Junkyards full of fords
With Fords new 2020 gas 7.3 coming I foresee less diesel trucks being sold very soon.
Greg Corkern That’s not gonna happen my friend. If you’ve ever pulled 26,000 lbs with a gas engine you’ll understand why. The 2020 Powerstroke is rolling off the lines now, with 10-spd HD Auto. Over 1000 tq. 20 mpg highway empty. Gas will never beat that kinda combo!
Greg Corkern I would never buy a new diesel. I’ll keep my 97 7.3, I feel bad for these fleets.
Gas pig!! My friend had a gas excursion. Couldnt afford to keep the tank full.
I think Ford is taking that bet too.
You must not have seen the power numbers for that engine. It can't compete with these diesels, not even close. Now if you're not towing all the time, maybe.
This is why I can't pull the trigger to buy a new diesel.
These new trucks are garbage
Yep same here.
Cris is awsome. I wish yall would move to Texas. WE need shops of yalls caliber
Would using a chemical cleaner such as Liqui Moly DPF cleaner every so often help? I have a '15 Ecodiesel and '14 Bluetec both are highway vehicles, until I switched jobs and primarily drive in town with the truck now. But take it on a weekly 1 hour long interstate trip, and use hot shot secret haven't got a chance to try the Archoil. I'm assuming alot of the fleet issues are due to idling for long periods, or constant in town deliveries.
DOC - Diesel Oxidation Catalyst - where the injected diesel fuel “oxidizes” to heat up the DPF - that turns soot to ash. DEF is injected into a decomposition tube prior to the SCR Brick catalyst.
Makes me Love my 02 7.3L even more.
And this right here is why FORD is rolling out the 7.3 gasser.
Yeah but only 400 ft lbs of tourqe out of that 7.3 gasser and 900+ out of that 6.7 that is a big difference in power just saying
@@brandonmclean6525 hell we showed world champion twh horses in the early 90s had a 32ft. Goose neck
Most weekends that trailer was full pulled with a 1986
Chevy ton truck 454 4spd had maybe 250 hp and 380 ft lbs to
Those nos. Are just for sake
Same here. We pulled with small block 3/4 tons for years.
Now I have an 04 Dodge cummins. 305hp, 555lb/ft torque is more than enough to pull everything on our farm.
@@oletom6970 My old man had a 1973 3/4 ton GMC Sierra pickup (with camper special package and 454 CI big block) that he ordered from the local dealer at the time and that bad boy pulled 30 ft gooseneck trailers full of cattle or round bales of hay with no problems for 20 years until he finally wore it smooth out.
That truck was a beast and I loved driving it as a young 16 year old because it would accelerate like the space shuttle when you floored it and that Quadra-jet would make that low whoooommmmmm noise from the secondary butterfly valves opening on that carb. Bad thing is it could pass everything except a gas station.
What year did Ford rectify the tank lining issue?
Edge insight CTS2 will allow you to do a manual regen, plus it's a great monitor!
I drive gas trucks now to avoid costly repairs like this. I'd delete it but I can see how some states can be more strict than others. Here in Texas no one really says anything but i could see how California would throw a fit.But to me I think I'd rather get a ticket then have to deal with issues like that.
yea but your ticket is the least of your problems. authorities can report it higher up and you get fined up to 10 grand.
This is for the guys who work for the US Government please get rid of the DPF/EGR/SCR systems on the New Diesel Trucks and to hell with the legality aspect of it Deleteing the Diesel Trucks shouldn’t be illegal EVER
Yeah, fuck the world! More smoke, I want to die!
Sounds like to me, time to start asking questions about single line CATS, DPF etc instead of modular so you can spend $250 instead of $3500 for cleaning. Right now Ford answers their own questions, NO.
A Titan Fuel Tank could fix the tank issue and double the range. Might be worth designing a weld on a v-band flange kit to split those canisters into sections so it can be serviced.
I am surprised the driver wasn’t alerted with check engine codes way ahead of time before this happened.
B&K Excavating LLC They probably were. We work on a lot of fleet vehicles also and the amount of mistreatment and incompetence is unreal
B&K Excavating LLC If it was a plugged DPF, he was ...if something went wrong engine wise and it burned oil quickly, then he may not have seen it. But I’m guessing you’d get a particulate matter / nox sensor / p0401 code anyways. I’m guessing driver ignored it all.
I'm guessing there was a LOT of idling going on with his truck. It's the nature of the delivery business. If you have a delivery route, you can't just go off and spend time driving for the hell of it because you got that goofy message on the dash telling you "more driving necessasry". We're doomed . . .
hi can you not cut the pipe and flange the pipe to joint it back together
This is why Ford should do a commercial or have informed dealerships on the 6.7 2017 and up, I have a 18’ I will never have a shop do a static regen, I have the OCR turned on in my truck, when I can no longer do a drive to clean, the truck prompts me to do a OCR, operator command regen, it’s a stationary regen, I just reached 50k, only had to do one OCR, now I jut ordered from Diesel Maintenance.Com,,,a foam cleaning package for cleaning DPF’s it cost me $385, they say you don’t need to remove the exhaust to do it, just remove the forward temp sensor and use their foam injection tool, but that’s another $400, I’ll just remove the exhaust, it don’t take long, and I will do this at 75k or maybe sooner, only folks who are not informed and don’t care about properly maintaining their diesel will suffer in the wallet. I enjoy maintaining my truck, makes me feel good,,,or for a low price of $2200 get the program and the owner can do forced regens, shops around here charge $800 for a forced regen, or like the mechanic in the video states, run good clean fuel, and service your engine oil and fuel filters regularly, I do my fuel filters every time I change my oil, 5k miles, and I run archoils fuel treatment every tank, all about taking care of your stuff and generally it will take care of you in the long run
@@outbacker292 Only issue with that is when (in my case) MTO does a inspection and hits me with a huge fine.
Why don't just cut the thing in different sections and clean them. After that just weld them together.
Jordi Houtkamp the manufacturers want higher parts and labor cost
Thats a great idea. I'm a welder and I have a grinder with cutting wheels and a pressure washer.
Yep they do that with some tractor trailers
That's exactly how its done.
First time I’ve heard of tank liner issues.
I have an 05 F250, I would be shocked if this has been addressed.
Any way to know when or if this might become a problem?
Bill had a video on this issue a while ago. Dont know if he is still tied with the people that still fix that problem or not.
FOOLS SHROUD USE A PLASTIC TANK THE STUPID ENGINEERS
that's a good deal on sealing the tanks with red-kote, took me 4 days to do mine and had to deal with alot of nasty chemicals.
With all the sensors on the DPF, why doesn't the computer shut down the truck before damage occurs to the engine? I have a 2012 550 and had Ford flash the computer to allow me to do a commanded static regen. I can only do this when the DPF reaches 100 percent. I wish it could be commanded at lower levels. Is there anything other than not interrupting the regen process that can extend the life of the DPF SCR unit?
Thx for the education you guys share with us. 👌✌👌✌👏👍
I wonder how fast the dye wicks out of the tank coating. If it wicks out fast enough could cause your fuel to appear red, could get you in trouble
11:15 Its DIESEL OXIDATION CATALYST ...oh my
Removed mine when the truck was 2 years old. Still running 10 years later.
I have a 2014 lariat 6.7. Is it possible to add a manual regen option. The xlt trucks had that option.
Yes there is, watch my video on how to turno on OCR
@@PowerStrokeTechTalkwARod Can I do that on my 17?
Why can't you cut it reweld it?
That exhaust assembly looks like some kinda weapon! A weapon against your wallet I guess.
Something else to worry about!
At 14:55
Does anyone else notice the bug crawling on his sholder?
Awesome Video.. Now that's a Radiator shop....
If it was my personal truck #1 it wouldnt even be on there
but in your case I'd metabo it in pieces and take them to him in pieces .. saves 3k.. but I know the corks of owning a business and being responsible for what leaves ect.. awesome video as usual thank you for your effort in deisel content
cant wait for your video addressing the new epa laws
What is the define of good fuel. We know it should be clean, but is there a blend to stay away from?
Thanks Steve
What would cause a 6.4 powerstroke to run hot when going over 60mph. but run fine when staying under 60?
Calvin H. Does this have something to do with demolition ranch 6.4 dually? 😂
I assume its not profitable or feasible to cut the weld and put a slip-joint in?
i dont see how it wouldnt be. just pipe. That is what i would do
Can you safely run an old school fuel additive like Marvel Mystery Oil or Berryman’s B-12 in the fuel of these modern diesels? I’m in charge of a fleet of about 20 trucks and use the MMO consistently in port injected gas trucks and older diesel equipment. Can I use the same product on a new 6.7?
An this us y mi 7.3 powerstroke is neva leavin mi side
A class action lawsuit has been filled against Toyota Australia for this very reason
That DPF filter can be cleaned. It has to cut out of system with a cutting wheel (works great and is easy, make sure to mark it for alignment) after dpf is cleaned just realign and weld back together.
I'm looking at a 09 250, I'd like to get your thoughts on 09 ford diesels with the restrictions for the tree huggers or should I look for an older model which I'm fine with to get away from these restrictor, I e had 3 different diesel trucks all Ford 2000, 2001, 1999 and they were great not problems and of course they were the 7.3s, I appreciate it, thanks
Run away. 6.4s have more issues than you can shake a stick at. Even deleted and a proper tune they have problems. Especially since your gonna be buying used. As for what to get depends. Do you care for the modern amenities like heated seats and audio controls or can you live without it. Personally i like the 7.3. Bullet proof motor. If your gonna get a 6.0 get a 05-07 truck the 03 and 04 tend to be a bit more problematic. I hope i got this comment to you before you got stuck with that 6.4
I will keep my 7.3's as long as I can , thank u !
Apparently there is not enough sensors on that its need a half a dozen more and maybe it will warn you sooner?
20 years from now we’re all going to be showing our children how these DPF filters were the current state of the art technology that we put in our trucks.
WhiteGangster400 and how much fuel it wasted.
Great information, thank you sir
All of this is in an effort to eliminate nitrous oxide . First they put an egr system on to cool off combustion temperature to reduce nitrous . But that makes the engine run like crap and make lots of smoke necessitating the soot trap and then you still need the catalyst and Def to take care of the nitrous the engine still produces . Why not just make the engine run right and then take care of the nitrous anyway . Cat mechanical injection engines in the late 70s and 80s met today's smoke standard and then the feds started towards mandating all this garbage . It's why cat doesn't make a truck engine anymore .
Cbmech
I think you need some serious help.
i'm surprised they can't cut the dpf apart to separate it and then weld it back together.
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