It's amazing that Attwood can be surprised that Farrell dislikes him after he calls him and the people he grew up with "peasants". What surprises me is how clueless he is
Yeah completely agree with these comments, hugely classist and highlights the worst bits of rugby. If you want to grow the game you want as little of this as possible.
This sounds like a Andy Roddick talking about his immense rivalry with Federer. Federer was shocked, he didn't even know there was a rivalry. As for the storytelling - current players telling whiny stories is very painful.
This is petty and weird. a) airing your personal tiffs out loud b) obliviousness about the classism that most decent people find annoying and to some offensive
For 30 years I’ve followed both Union and League - and love both with a passion. But there’s something about a certain type of Union player (but never the really GOOD ones) that likes to reduce sporting rivalries to class ones. If you are dull enough to do so, probably best not to be too proud of it.
out of everything I've read in this thread... I like this the most. I generally do think it was banter and OF should have just handled it better... but I agree with your comments - it's a proper dull put down.
"I struggle a lot with Owen Farrell", is in a nutshell your problem. Life teaches one that the problem doesn't lie with the other person but your own pompous attitude, so change your attitude and then maybe you will get on with most people.
Classism in UK and in that case England is a nasty issue that's why rugby is considered an elite sport. In South Africa, France and NZ players often come from a "peasant" or " hard labor" background.
Class/wealth gap is THE problem, everywhere. Most prevailing and most harmful among all social injustices. This was a joke though. Farrel take himself a little too seriously sometimes.
Love Union but would love to see big bollocks here go up for a couple league games and call those boys peasants to their face 😂 they’d fold him like a deck chair
There's quite a few more, I would suggest as well: Sexton, Biggar, Mounga all spring to mind instantly. I honestly can't see what he brings to the game.
Pollard makes few mistakes and nothing more. Not in top 5. Russell is atrocious but does something for instagram once a game. Was biblically bad in the 6 nations, failed again in Europe. Ntamack is class. Smith is v v good with room to grow. Farrell and Sexton and Barrett are all-timers. Ford is capable of anything.
He was the best in the world about 5 years ago. Now he looks a step slow and makes a lot of handling errors. But England need him at 12 to make their system work.
I think if you react like that to a joke then you're probably a bit too full of yourself, or perhaps to sensitive about your working class roots. I agree with the author though that he's a world class 10, and for better of worse I think it's part of what has driven him to achieve so highly. I don't get the impression Farrel goes out of his way to wind up other players though, like some others do.
@@jb9433 You mean black people are too 'sensitive' about jokes about their race? Perhaps. I think the majority aren't, but a certain number have been brainwashed by political correctness and similar doctrines and perhaps mistakenly equate race humour as 'racism' as a result. The first problem with even discussing such a view though is that these people tend not to have, or operate, a clearly defined notion of what racism means themselves in my experience. If you take a traditional (and meaningful in my view) interpretation of racism as, say, 'an act which harms the interests of a person or group defined along racial lines which is also rooted in ignorance/misinformation', racial humour obviously does not equate, ipso facto, to this, and in my experience the number of people who hold to that view after 5 minutes of conversation and actually reflecting thoughtfully on the coherence of such a view is very low. This is essentially the tacit argument made by political correctness, woke thought, and such doctrines though (that certain negative race references in humor, song, art, and other types of expression ARE ipso facto expressions of a bigoted view on race or some other issue, regardless the author's actual views/sentiment). It is an attempt to impose meaning upon the speech of the speaker, rather than receive meaning from them - a tyranny of ideas. Ironically, this also makes political correctness a form of bigotry(!), or at best, pre-judgementalism. Most people sense this bigotry and hypocrisy and reject it, which is why political correctness started out, and largely remains, a top-down doctrine. There will always be propagandists who defend such doctrines (knowing them to be bogus of course), and also some indoctrinated individuals who actually believe them to be valid in some sense, but ultimately I think both are a small minority. The over-representation of such doctrines and their proponents in the narrative/media/news is largely explained, I think, by its political function and utility to the ruling class ultimately (the rich), chiefly as a misdirection from the biggest social injustice and root cause of most suffering - WEALTH inequality. In a word, they're used as divisive sideshows.
Farrell does NOT have to be a Dick to be great. Burger, Carter, Read, McCaw, Pienaar... they didn't act like that twit and were 2x the players. As for Farrell being the best 10? Do you mean from the north of england?
But he's not that good. Owen Farrell makes Rugby boring. i’m on the posh topic, Farrell, went to one of the most expensive schools in the whole country . He is a public schoolboy regardless of his accent
Farrell is nothing as bad as people make him out to be. There have been a number of incidents one could count on one hand where he should have been punished but wasn’t. Something you could say about every player. The reason his sticks out is because ONE of those moments (South Africa 2017) was during a crucial moment in the game which should have led to SA getting a shot to win the game. The guy has made thousands of legal tackles in his career, but of course we should judge him for minuscule number that weren’t.
There''s a lot of blind support for Farrell in the English rugby establishment that has constantly ignored his persistent shortcomings - tackling technique to name one.
He may not be the best in the world but saying he doesn't have quality and lacks leadership is clearly not true. Think the issue here is Attwood's attitude to other players and classism.
I think it is about time people questioned Farrell's attitude towards and contribution to the game of union. I see him as a good goal kicker and that is all. He has nothing like the quality or bravery of Wilkinson, nothing like the game management of Ford or Andrew and in comparison to Smith he has no instinct for the game. He is so far behind every other international 10 in the Northern hemisphere it is almost laughable, even Biggar looks classy in comparison, and when it comes to the Southern hemisphere, he is simply not even in the conversation.
100 Caps, 1000 test points, 3 lions tours, 3 European cups, 3 Six Nations, 5 Premierships, 2 times European player of the year and England captain and he's 30 years of age. If you think he's got something to prove, then that says more about you than anything
Did you not watch him school Marcus Smith in the recent semi final? The bloke is class, like him or not. Also, question his attitude? That bloke is the driver of standards and the hardest worker in the England squad
What's wrong with his attitude. He is an elite athlete who captains his team , maintains standards. He isn't afraid to tell players what for if they are not doing drills right . I am really not sure what your idea of an attitude for a professional rugby player with a leadership role . His career in the game is impressive. 2 tours with Lions, over 100 caps with England captaining 50 odd. European Championship titles , premiership titles , grand slams, rec finalist and 3rd highest scorer in international rugby. Likely to overtake JW by the start of the RWC 2013. I think he is up there with the top tier 10's having to play out of position at centre. Not sure what you have against Bigger but to suggest Farrell isn't instinctive when he is probably the best distributor in the game. It's ok not to like him but I think he stacks up well with most other 10's in the game.
My God it was a joke. I have a northern mate we make jokes like that. Farrell's grip on the England team worries me. He is a good player but not an untouchable one, but it seems like he has untouchable status. No matter how good Ford, Smith and others are they wont get a proper chance while he is around. Also will players that he doesnt like get a chance in the camp...
This would be an really interesting channel if everyone particularly the anchor team could set the standard and leave out the obscene language. There's no need for it.
It's amazing that Attwood can be surprised that Farrell dislikes him after he calls him and the people he grew up with "peasants". What surprises me is how clueless he is
Did you miss the first part where he was said he was joking? Bit of banter mate.
@@JackD87 there's a while bunch of things that you don't joke About unless you actually think that way
@@atapene 😂😂
@@atapene not that big a deal lol get over it
@@JackD87 rugby union kick and 👏 for a bunch of posh boys
Yeah completely agree with these comments, hugely classist and highlights the worst bits of rugby. If you want to grow the game you want as little of this as possible.
OH FERAL,..yeah thinks he's the DOGS BOLLOCKS,but actually a bit higher & just under the tail..?
Better to not grow than game if it means peasants will want to play. They should be toiling in the fields, while I play games.
Can't you see it was a joke from Attwoods side. Apparently, OF also intensely disliked Ryan Wilson and Faf De Klerk.
Who's got all the caps and plays for the best club side in England.
Off load should be ashamed putting garbage like this out.
David Atwood wins the award for the most self aware person of the year
This sounds like a Andy Roddick talking about his immense rivalry with Federer.
Federer was shocked, he didn't even know there was a rivalry.
As for the storytelling - current players telling whiny stories is very painful.
Dave Twatwood isn’t doing himself any favours here. Completely unprofessional
Yeah bagging out old teammates isn’t very professional. Easy being big and brave on a podcast where the other guy can’t defend himself
This is petty and weird. a) airing your personal tiffs out loud b) obliviousness about the classism that most decent people find annoying and to some offensive
I’d rather listen to a Nausey Owen( least he speaks his mind whether you like it or not) than a Nausey sorry who is he again?
Just a joke guys! Nobody has died, why don't you all just calm down a bit
"when you're that good you have to flirt on the wrong side..."
Um like who?Jonny Wilkinson?Dan Carter?🤔
Different players. They were perfectionists whereas Owen is more competitive, slightly different angles with the same goal to be the best.
What's Dave Attwood won in his career compared to Owen Farrell? Only one winner there
For 30 years I’ve followed both Union and League - and love both with a passion.
But there’s something about a certain type of Union player (but never the really GOOD ones) that likes to reduce sporting rivalries to class ones.
If you are dull enough to do so, probably best not to be too proud of it.
Yes, very well said.
Kirwee rugby !!!
out of everything I've read in this thread... I like this the most. I generally do think it was banter and OF should have just handled it better... but I agree with your comments - it's a proper dull put down.
"I struggle a lot with Owen Farrell", is in a nutshell your problem. Life teaches one that the problem doesn't lie with the other person but your own pompous attitude, so change your attitude and then maybe you will get on with most people.
I love this channel but not sure what Attwood adds. Here or on the pitch.
Who's Dave Attwood again? Come to think of it, who's Ryan Wilson?
attwoods a donut! faz a solid bloke
Classism in UK and in that case England is a nasty issue that's why rugby is considered an elite sport. In South Africa, France and NZ players often come from a "peasant" or " hard labor" background.
He’s from somerset;) pretty earthy like he said . He’s taking the piss about rugby codes .
Australia is the same
Class/wealth gap is THE problem, everywhere. Most prevailing and most harmful among all social injustices.
This was a joke though. Farrel take himself a little too seriously sometimes.
Rugby is a working class sport in wales also
Who are the people on this reel?
Dave sorry mate but you are obviously lying about Owen. As if anyone is going to believe he ran at you or anyone for that matter with the ball 😂
Who is Dave Atwood?
Love Union but would love to see big bollocks here go up for a couple league games and call those boys peasants to their face 😂 they’d fold him like a deck chair
Wooshh
He would run through skinny league lads like bowling pins
Hahahahhahahahhahahjajajjajaja
Said like someone who has never played league
Yeah, they love a shoulder charge in league.
Class is in the way you behave.. and there we go …
love Owen Farrell
Better 10’s in the world:
Handre Pollard
Finn Rusell
Roman Ntamack
Beaudon Barrett
Marcus Smith
There's quite a few more, I would suggest as well: Sexton, Biggar, Mounga all spring to mind instantly. I honestly can't see what he brings to the game.
@@douglaswright2143 Yes indeed!
Still a very good fly half, despite many other good fly halves.
Pollard makes few mistakes and nothing more. Not in top 5. Russell is atrocious but does something for instagram once a game. Was biblically bad in the 6 nations, failed again in Europe. Ntamack is class. Smith is v v good with room to grow. Farrell and Sexton and Barrett are all-timers. Ford is capable of anything.
He was the best in the world about 5 years ago. Now he looks a step slow and makes a lot of handling errors. But England need him at 12 to make their system work.
Best in the world 😂 Teachers pet more like it
Best centre in the world, f.. K steady on old chap he's not in the top 4 never was. Take away his goalkicking he's average
He's the best 10 in the world. Where shall we play him in the England team. 12 of course.
'He's the best 10 in the world'? Plays inside centre for England?
🤷🏼
Because he’s the best 10 in the world but also best 12 in England. His insane ability and physicality allows him to go where needed.
Boris the blade lol
I think if you react like that to a joke then you're probably a bit too full of yourself, or perhaps to sensitive about your working class roots. I agree with the author though that he's a world class 10, and for better of worse I think it's part of what has driven him to achieve so highly. I don't get the impression Farrel goes out of his way to wind up other players though, like some others do.
You would say the same about black players.
@@jb9433 Not sure what you mean. If Farrel were black then yeah I guess!
@@dalenewton9697Have a rest Dale, its a bit beyond you.
Dale says the same about black people too.
@@jb9433 You mean black people are too 'sensitive' about jokes about their race? Perhaps. I think the majority aren't, but a certain number have been brainwashed by political correctness and similar doctrines and perhaps mistakenly equate race humour as 'racism' as a result. The first problem with even discussing such a view though is that these people tend not to have, or operate, a clearly defined notion of what racism means themselves in my experience. If you take a traditional (and meaningful in my view) interpretation of racism as, say, 'an act which harms the interests of a person or group defined along racial lines which is also rooted in ignorance/misinformation', racial humour obviously does not equate, ipso facto, to this, and in my experience the number of people who hold to that view after 5 minutes of conversation and actually reflecting thoughtfully on the coherence of such a view is very low.
This is essentially the tacit argument made by political correctness, woke thought, and such doctrines though (that certain negative race references in humor, song, art, and other types of expression ARE ipso facto expressions of a bigoted view on race or some other issue, regardless the author's actual views/sentiment). It is an attempt to impose meaning upon the speech of the speaker, rather than receive meaning from them - a tyranny of ideas. Ironically, this also makes political correctness a form of bigotry(!), or at best, pre-judgementalism. Most people sense this bigotry and hypocrisy and reject it, which is why political correctness started out, and largely remains, a top-down doctrine.
There will always be propagandists who defend such doctrines (knowing them to be bogus of course), and also some indoctrinated individuals who actually believe them to be valid in some sense, but ultimately I think both are a small minority.
The over-representation of such doctrines and their proponents in the narrative/media/news is largely explained, I think, by its political function and utility to the ruling class ultimately (the rich), chiefly as a misdirection from the biggest social injustice and root cause of most suffering - WEALTH inequality. In a word, they're used as divisive sideshows.
Dirty Farrell I say ! Always tackles with his elbows !
Always eh 🤣
love Mike Brown too
Atwood what did you accomplish in your career. He needs to cross over to rugby league then call them peasants and then I will watch you get smashed
It was a joke shut up jesus
Touch a nerve did he
Touched more nerves than trophies that’s for sure 😂
@@brentmeistergeneral6074 all the coaches play him
We struggle with Farrell off the field.
Armless Owen 😂😂
If it would be anyone it would be him
If you play any game you play to win. However you can get away with.
Rugby player dislikes another Rugby player shocker. Who cares ?
Farrell does NOT have to be a Dick to be great. Burger, Carter, Read, McCaw, Pienaar... they didn't act like that twit and were 2x the players.
As for Farrell being the best 10? Do you mean from the north of england?
Who is this nobody talking about Farrell.
Premiership and ex England player didnt like another player he played with and against .
Who cares ? Is this even a story ?
Best 10? Maybe in Northern Hemi.
Not even there anymore
Nope
He’s better then Mo’unga that’s for sure.
@@AZJZ97 not at all
@@AZJZ97 Let’s see in a couple of weeks.
Owen Farrell, the best 10 in the world? Lol
About the 6th best 10 in England
Dirtiest tackling 10 in the world
Which world 🤣🤣
Attwood probably thinks the same about black players, but only does classist digs because he thinks he can get away with it.
roll on to 2023 and see what shit storm Farrell has caused
But he's not that good. Owen Farrell makes Rugby boring.
i’m on the posh topic, Farrell, went to one of the most expensive schools in the whole country . He is a public schoolboy regardless of his accent
I've never saw a player get away with so much on the pitch.. everrrrrr
McCaw?
Botha?
Just to name a couple.
@@jackyarrow9442 McCaw a bit not too bad, Botha dirty alrite but he did get binned lol
Farrell is nothing as bad as people make him out to be.
There have been a number of incidents one could count on one hand where he should have been punished but wasn’t. Something you could say about every player. The reason his sticks out is because ONE of those moments (South Africa 2017) was during a crucial moment in the game which should have led to SA getting a shot to win the game.
The guy has made thousands of legal tackles in his career, but of course we should judge him for minuscule number that weren’t.
And never seen anyone more overrated!
@@jackyarrow9442 Spot on!!!
The best ten in the world...,🤣🤣🤣🤣
Farrell's crap. Can't tackle, time's done. Other 10s that deserve a spot.
Owen Farrell lol 😂Nooooo surely not, 😂😂
There are plenty of better players than Farrell who weren’t complete douchebags.
'douchebag'? U ponce.
Best 10 in the world really nowhere near the best 10 for God's sake, they throw these accolades out so easy.
There''s a lot of blind support for Farrell in the English rugby establishment that has constantly ignored his persistent shortcomings - tackling technique to name one.
Describing Owen Farrell as the best #10 in the world is a joke! He's not even a good #10, wrong attitude, lack of quality and no leaderships skills.
Your delusional
He may not be the best in the world but saying he doesn't have quality and lacks leadership is clearly not true. Think the issue here is Attwood's attitude to other players and classism.
The Lions players voted him their top leader ……….
@@EnglishVeteran And weren't they good!
@@douglaswright2143 You are not thinking coherently!
I think it is about time people questioned Farrell's attitude towards and contribution to the game of union. I see him as a good goal kicker and that is all. He has nothing like the quality or bravery of Wilkinson, nothing like the game management of Ford or Andrew and in comparison to Smith he has no instinct for the game. He is so far behind every other international 10 in the Northern hemisphere it is almost laughable, even Biggar looks classy in comparison, and when it comes to the Southern hemisphere, he is simply not even in the conversation.
100 Caps, 1000 test points, 3 lions tours, 3 European cups, 3 Six Nations, 5 Premierships, 2 times European player of the year and England captain and he's 30 years of age. If you think he's got something to prove, then that says more about you than anything
Did you not watch him school Marcus Smith in the recent semi final? The bloke is class, like him or not. Also, question his attitude? That bloke is the driver of standards and the hardest worker in the England squad
What's wrong with his attitude. He is an elite athlete who captains his team , maintains standards. He isn't afraid to tell players what for if they are not doing drills right . I am really not sure what your idea of an attitude for a professional rugby player with a leadership role .
His career in the game is impressive. 2 tours with Lions, over 100 caps with England captaining 50 odd. European Championship titles , premiership titles , grand slams, rec finalist and 3rd highest scorer in international rugby. Likely to overtake JW by the start of the RWC 2013.
I think he is up there with the top tier 10's having to play out of position at centre.
Not sure what you have against Bigger but to suggest Farrell isn't instinctive when he is probably the best distributor in the game.
It's ok not to like him but I think he stacks up well with most other 10's in the game.
I'd still pick Johnny over him for Englands best 15. @@icedbunn89
My God it was a joke. I have a northern mate we make jokes like that.
Farrell's grip on the England team worries me. He is a good player but not an untouchable one, but it seems like he has untouchable status. No matter how good Ford, Smith and others are they wont get a proper chance while he is around. Also will players that he doesnt like get a chance in the camp...
This would be an really interesting channel if everyone particularly the anchor team could set the standard and leave out the obscene language. There's no need for it.
your missing the point of the show. same reason why the Rugby Pods as big as it is
its real people talking, not presenters talking off a script
It’s no surprise that sports teams, male or female, swear. It’s a chat around the table.
Don't watch it if it offends you, snowflake.
You obviously never played rugby
Dave who?
Farrell is adik
ARMLESS SUCKS EGGS BIG TIME