Edit: Next video is going to be on Man of Medan. Hi In a weird coincidence this game is on sale on steam until the 5th August Get it here store.steampowered.com/app/1577120/The_Quarry/ This isn't an advert or anything, I just saw it and thought I'd share
why do you zillennial losers always feel the need to bring up your obnoxious politics into everything? Nobody cares about what you have a "problem" with. Grow a pair, maggot.
It bothers me that’s this wasn’t set in the 80s, it fits those vibes completely. Werewolves, a locally famous family on the decline, the summer camp vibes, the lack of phones. It never made sense to be set in modern times, cause most of those elements don’t exist nowadays; freak shows, and summer camps
Summer camps still exist to this day but most of them aren't actual summer camps but literally torture camps where children are sent to be r*ped and abused by the counsellors who promised the parents to help their children but this also mostly happens in America so
I kinda like that it wasn't set during the 80s. It's so clearly inspired by the typical "werewolf summer camp" story that it would feel even more like it was copying someone else's homework if it was set in the 80s. I feel certain that summer camps still exist. Freak shows, on the other hand, I just have to suspend disbelief a bit. If I have to accept the existence of werewolves, I can accept the existence of a freakshow in 2020. (After looking it up, the freakshow fire and everything happened in 2014.)
One thing that I actually really liked about Max is he's the only werewolf in the game i think who sees the aftermath of what he's done If you got Emma and Jacob killed on the island he finds there bodies and is rightfully horrified and even apologises to their bodies which I thought was really nice characterisation for him
I think the final nail in the coffin for The Quarry was the ending. Whereas Until Dawn has all the surviving characters be interviewed and even gives some of them special dialogue depending on the choices you make or if they're solo survivors. The Quarry just hits you with a quick cut over who lived, who got infected, who died aaaand then it's the same ending every single time with only the final bit changing depending on if you got enough clues or not. Imagine saving all characters and then be told that they're all going to jail in the most underwhelming conclusion to the story ever. That's pretty frustrating. I really hope they don't botch the ending in their next game.
@@aidasalazar9702 Oh yeah! I've heard of that one. I'm not super familiar with DBD lore but I've played it and watched some videos of the game. The Devil In Me was arguably the only decent story out of the dark pictures, which just so happens to have a killer in it. Sooo fingers crossed!
@@atarsto Personally I thought the story of Devil in Me was all over the place. I hope they give themselves adequate time and tighten up the script for their next game
@@tamiej.5558 Oh really? From what I remember it was a lot better overall compared to the last 3 games in the series. Though I guess that isn't saying much.
Even though they haven't made a game as good as Until Dawn yet I honestly think I will be following them and keeping up with all of their games. Their brand of making Choose-Your-Own-Adventure Movies is something I love and even if they haven't made any that are good since, I'll still be hoping they nail it eventually. Also I know they're making the third installment of Little Nightmares (they bought the rights from the developers of the original series) so I'm really hoping they don't fuck that up.
convinced that half of the writing team thought they were writing a comedy cos silas running up the road at them as they’re saying “how r we gonna find him just driving up the road” is SO FUNNY
@@b0xman935 Silas isn't anything as a character, as I pointed out in the 20 seconds on representation that seems to have really riled some people up, they just made him an 'evil' ethnicity and gave him an 'evil' skin condition and expected people to take that as character writing. He's in the game for like 30 seconds, during which time he basically just jumps in front of a moving car so the game can end. Absolutely nothing writing.
@@RatatTalksEvery game I've heard about from Supermassive makes me think they're just the worst. Like actively choosing the most offensive depictions of marginalized people possible. I watched a playthrough of Little Hope, and I didn't realize at first it was the same people that made Until Dawn. The whole time I was thinking it was going to be a supernatural horror about the cycle of trauma and that the winning criteria would be to break the cycle. Nope. It's just one man trapped in his own mind hallucinating the whole game. What a disappointing twist and a horrible depiction of mental illness. Many of the potential outcomes involve "self-deletion" with no warning, notice, or way to know that was an ending.
57:06 "This is interesting because it's him actively predating on her, which leads to him literally metamorphasizing into a predator. Abby cannot save him here no matter what she does. This might be because he was just always predatory, although it's more than likely because this game is bad." Yeah that got a laugh out of me.
Nothing will top UD, unless it gets Sony's funding, as UD did. Everything after UD was, best case scenario, mid at best. EDIT: With the exception being House of Ashes, that was a rare highlight. The rest are just... ''common gen Z horror'' tropes materialized. And before you say it, I am part of this gen too. It should go without saying that TDP Anthology is pretty cringe.
Until Dawn is one of the greatest Horror Games of all time, the Characters will never be replicated, Characters like Mike, Emily, Sam and Josh are so Memorable and some of the best horror Protagonists I have seen
One thing I didn’t like about The Quarry was the very little use of the setting in the story telling. In Until Dawn, we’re given a lot of history and context as to why the events have happened on Blackwood Mountain. Why a mountain? It’s because the Washingtons have a vacation lodge, and the characters are having a party up there. Why are there native items everywhere? The Native Americans used to live on it. Why are there mines? Miners were excavating for resources back in the 50’s. Why is there a Sanatorium? Scientists were running experiments on humans turning Wendigo. Why are there multiple Wendigos? Those were the miners. How was it that Hannah was never found? She got stuck and lost in the mines. Compare this to the Quarry. The quarry itself isn’t even seen until later on, and we spend most of the time in the woods or at camp. The Hackett’s family used to be moonshiners, which is cool but not at all relevant to the story. The werewolves are a result of a freak show coming into town so the threat came from outside. Where? Why hasn’t anyone heard of them bringing a werewolf boy until now? The Hackett’s mansion is there because they just live there. The camp is there for the family to make money off it, and they use it to fund the camp as well as their hunting. They also just happen to have a junkyard. Until Dawn really goes into depth on the setting, and does a good job of meshing it into the story. The Quarry does the same thing, just not on the same level or degree that Until Dawn had.
Hard agree, there's so much info about the Hacketts businesses, but almost none of it actually means anything. The tunnels feel really dumb because nothing happens in them, they could at least have a werewolf chase down there if nothing else.
Not just that, but another thing that’s great about Until Dawn is the multiple layers of history built into the setting. It’s not like Wendigos and everything surrounding them suddenly became a thing within the last few years. The wendigos being a mystical force has been in the mountain for centuries. The mining excavation only happened a few decades ago, with the following decade bringing the sanatorium to experiment on the wendigo miners. And the vacation lodge itself has only been built within the last decade or so. It gives the setting a very organic and realistic feeling that makes you really want delve deep into its mysteries and figure out the chronological timeline of events. The Quarry on the other hand literally has everything that matters happen within the last 6 years, including the circus wolf boy event that no one else has ever heard of besides the Hackett family. It removes a lot of the mystic and intrigue from the setting and makes most of the information you can find about it feel artificial and meaningless.
perfectly encapsulates how i feel about the storytelling and lore 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 until dawn really was like catching lighting in a bottle and i fear supermassive don’t understand this fundamental core point to be able to replicate it in the games that succeed it
right off the bat i can imagine stirring up ideas about the impact of blowing quarry on the environment around them. the wealth, luxury, and old money born of probable mistreatment/abuse of workers throughout history to gain it. a werewolf fits beautifully in with that as the environment's local wildlife and fauna don't just suffer, but the people/werewolves too, since we're all apart of the same world, though people try to dominate and control nature. a lot of good shit to work with that's not even considered. and i JUST thought this up
i think supermassive's biggest mistake was bringing laura back. max being present as the werewolf on the island is one thing because he doesn't affect the actual plot other than briefly as an enemy, but the minute laura becomes a playable character past the prologue, most of the characters lose any importance in the story. it felt like ryan and kaitlyn were set up in the beginning to be the main protagonists the way that sam and mike are the 'main characters' of until dawn. but laura has a gun so she can fight, which negates kaitlyn's main thing we are shown she's particularly good at. laura also knows what's going on with the hacketts (mostly) which negates ryan's role as the detective as after that it doesn't feel like there is any drive for him (or anyone tbh) to be figuring out the mystery anymore. ryan's character in particular gets nuked when laura comes back because he basically just becomes her sidekick and any arcs he had with other characters (mainly kaitlyn and dylan) get dropped. part of why the latter half of the game feels so rushed and unsatisfying to me. i think maybe she could have been hidden away or imprisoned somewhere in the hackett house based on player choices in the prologue, and you could unlock her as a playable character if you spent some time searching around and rescued her?? but having her just appear randomly halfway through with an eyepatch and a shotgun felt like a bit of a deus ex machina lol.
@@RatatTalks yeah definitely agree, i really dont think anything we learn in laura's backstory sections couldn't have been as easily shown in scenes with the main group. i actually forgot those bits even existed until i watched this vid which shows how interesting i found them lmao :')
Maybe smarter minds could figure it out but I see no way to make a long playable flashback work with a choice based game like this. None of the choices leading to that part can matter because it’s in the past so the parts we’ve already played (the future of the flashback) can’t affect the past and all the choices during the flashback can’t affect the future because we’ve already seen how the future plays out.
When my 3 friends and I played, we did pass and play mode where each of us picked 4 characters to play. I picked Laura…and oh my gosh, I was flabbergasted by just how long it was ONLY me playing because of that stupid flashback.
I remember when the first hour of gameplay was revealed before the game came out. I saw it and was so hyped and also assumed, "Oh, these 2 random characters with minor ties to the main cast are gonna be the Hannah and Beth of the game. You play as them briefly in the intro to kick off the beginning horror movie kill/hook, and then we only see them later as either dead or the monster. It would have worked as well because of the fact that it would have added to the mystery of why counselors were gone and directly correlated to their impact in the game WITHOUT taking away from the main cast. What horror movie with similar tropes has the beginning kill or mystery disappearance return to the story AND be a badass AND become practically the main character of the story? It was bound to hinder the other characters.
I'm pretty sure Nick is not supposed to be a predator or an asshole, and that the writers want us to blame his later behaviour on the transformation and that not being him really, I think they just wanted to shock us by slowly transforming an innocent introverted boy into this creepy dude who says the girl he likes is easy, but this contradicts the way the other characters act during their own transformations, so IMO its probably just bad and inconsistent writing and thats not actually how we're supposed to see Nick's character
Yeah, I did try not to force my opinion here because like I said, Nick wasn't aware of what was happening, and almost everything about his and Abbys arc doesn't feel intentional. Nick could easily just be a random dude who got a bit too evil off the wolf juice.
@@MichaelJohnson-vu3bt I mean I wouldn't say "head-cannon" as much as "it's the only option the game gives you that would follow the rules of the game". Like they want to make Nick this shocking transformation because he is the first, so he acts out of character, but that wouldnt really work for the script if the other characters did that, so they just become slightly more violent for a few seconds. The only explanation that would make sense with this is if Nick is a manipulative piece of shit
Just a thought but during the flashback with Max and Laura in prison, while Max is ready to transform in front of the handcuffed Laura, you have a choice on her to be empathetic to him or to be clinical and straight up start asking him medical questions. If you choose the clinical approach Max will lash out at Laura calling her a b*tch. So I think it also depends on the way others treat or talk to the "ready-to-turn" infected person. Like if their words are triggering for the person and the "soon to be" transformation enhances their violent reaction.
@@maiyairis1809 If Emma is infected with Abi in the basement, Emma will be a total bitch to Abi, despite being generally kind and neutral towards her.
Until Dawn to SMG is like what the "Thriller" Album is to Michael Jackson, sure he made great Albums before and after Thriller, but Thriller was impossible to top, that is UD to SMG
Oh right, I'd completely forgotten how pissed off I was when I found out that Nick would turn into a werwolf, no matter what you do. In a game where all your decisions have consequences, they just take that one out of your hands. Also I was pissed that in the finale a character can die if they hide in the freezer. Its not like the house blew up like in Until Dawn. Their friends know they're in there so why dont they come get him out after the danger is gone? That just felt like lazy writing to me...
@@ethanlivemere1162 fair enough but that's a place you would look for if your buddy is missing and he was last seen in the kitchen, especially if you knew there was a big fuck-off walk in freezer in there, isn't it?
wait i think there was a small part in the game were it sorta warned you against it? (in a way) i cant remember if it was a tarot or dialogue, i think it was dialogue but a character was talking about the freezer and warned against it in a way, i played the quarry a while ago so i cant remember exactly what was said but it was clear enough to kinda let me, the player, know that going in there was not a good idea
I think part of the problem with The Quarry was the video game necessity of having to have scenarios where characters can die early, but then the rest of the story can still play out. It's one of the reasons why Abi feels like she has nothing to do for the entire back half of the game, because I think the devs expect players to let her die early. It's the reason why Laura comes in and becomes such a main character halfway through, so that the story can continue if you've killed off the other characters. I think if Supermassive wants to make a better game going forward, they need to have stronger story branches where a scene can play out multiple ways depending on which characters are alive, rather than just cutting scenes if the character is dead, and have longer term consequences, so that you can still have actions that have serious consequences, but don't completely remove a character from the story right away.
This is such a fantastic point, you're absolutely right. Thank you for putting it into words. I really wish SMG would just write a beautiful story and beautiful characters and then NOT fuck it all up by trying to make everything possible at all times. "Pick one thing and stick with it, yeah?" or whatever Ratat said in his Little Hope video... They could write how meaningful characters' possible deaths are to all the others, into this one story, having everything stay connected so you still have the whole game feeling contiguous and not really slow one moment and really quick the next moment (also something he mentioned in the Little Hope video)... I absolutely love The Quarry because I love the characters, because of the way they are played, I got so attached to them, that part is wonderful, but man, the game itself is really just not very good...
It's one problem I had in general with the Anthology (Little Hope being the breadwinner here) as well. Like we could only play the games semi-well on an really *older* flat tv. Newer were worse and my best friends hubby has a *real black is black* tv which.. you could see even less when in this video! No joke
Supermassive urgently needs a better team of writers. The current ones keep throwing in stupid events that impact the story in nonsensical ways. Like when the dude reaches for the cable and somehow gets his hand bitten off camera. Some choices feel like "you like cheesecake or chocolate cake? Chocolate? Wrong, your character is now dead because if you choose that, a werewolf mauls him to death, don't ask how it relates"
it’s the cage puzzle that gets to me the most. we are given no indication of how to complete it, no ability to check the door numbers, and if you get it wrong then it’s instant death for jacob. it’s obvious that they had no idea what else to do with him after that point in the story, so just decide to raise the stakes by making his death nearly certain.
@@blue-sq7tj It's a consistent weakness in supermassive writing. As soon as a character can die, they basically stop being relevant. As another commenter pointed out, Laura being brought in in chapter 7 is probably exactly because this time, they made many characters killable super early. And I think Jacob was supposed to be the guy everyone will hate because he did the fuck up in the beginning (hence his complete irrelevance to most of the story and his multiple gruesome kills) while everyone was supposed to like Ryan... when now, it feels like people feel sorry for Jacob and can't stand Ryan.
I think they need a writing team in general. A cursory glance at the writers of each game reveals that the only consistently re-occurring writer working on Supermassive projects is Graham Reznick Heck, maybe they should try to have only ONE writer for each project, at least for their shorter Anthology episodes, considering the one game most people like, House of Ashes, is literally the only thing Supermassive has put out with just one credited writer.
The best thing about the Quarry is that one Dylan time loop fanfic on ao3 (take me back and back again by MothWhoCriedWolf), genuinely one of the best fics I've read on the site that goes out of its way to not only make the original plot make sense but also deepens it. Creative works like it are the reason I love flawed media. Edit/Update: Apparently the author of the fic I mentioned passed away recently, I only learned about it after going through the comments on the latest chapter. Rest in Peace, Moth. :(
Re: Nick being a counselor, I work at a summer camp and I would say the majority, or at least half, of our staff is international, from over a dozen different countries. Camps have contracts with many agencies around the world to pull teens/young adults for summer camp and it would be great experience on a resume for them while still being a fun job.
Thanks for the perspective, here in the south of England we only really have scout camps which are pretty local as far as I know, I don’t remember anyone in attendance not being English
@@RatatTalks it might also be that the camps I attended as a kid and the one I work at now are unique, I lived in a port city so we had a lot of international visitors and workers and now I work at a niche type of camp that draws from everywhere. But I think if it’s a bigger camp they have to draw from a bigger pool! Especially for support staff. I think our entire dining hall is staff from Mexico, Hungary, and New Zealand lol.
specifically as an australian who has been to many summer camps its the same here! lots of international folks staffing the camps, plus i've seen quite a few of those agencies m'self
Maybe in their next game, they should have only one player. Have a monster be like the Thing (from The Thing) and that the playable character is them trying to navigate a cast of characters along WITH the monster.
I really think they should let the players play as the killer/monster, even if only for a prologue. As I said I think a smaller cast with more focus on what the core theme of the game is would be better. In dbd I’d like to see four characters being playable and a killer It could be fun to play as the killer, having interactions with the entity and having to stay true to any kind of warped morality you have whilst still needing to harvest souls. But honestly anything with a more unique concept would work for me.
That's a great idea. Imagine if the character that's the monster is randomly selected each time you play and you can find out who it is through various method! It would be sick, but probably too hard to implement, especially for Supermassive games
16:45 a huge reason for this was explained in the cast play through. The actors were alone for almost all of their time on set. Very few scenes with multiple people *actually* had them acting together. Justice talks about this the most. They would just sit in front of a monitor and read their lines which can explain some of the awkward dialogue delivery.
the reason kaitlyn is called the final girl isn't because she gives off the energy, like ppl mistake, it's just because she can't die until either in the scrapyard w/o dylan or the final showdown in the lodge with her. those are the only two times she can die which is chapter 9 and 10 (10 being the last chapter)
That's fair, like I say I don't massively disagree with it, I just think any of the girls could have this feature/trait. I wish they'd given us more to do with Kaitlyn overall, so anything that feels like fluff with her annoys me as I'd liked to have seen them spend more time developing her.
@@Lvl1.Sentry cuz theres an achievement for every sole survivor i believe… u cant rlly compare two different games pal. the system of achievements are different.
@@jasonfakename4851 Abigail might be the least to be the final girl honestly, I mean Laura has this whole character arc with the Hacket family where she's the one to have a showdown with silas. Kaitlyn is literally the orginal character at the beginning that was advertised as the final girl with her skill in being a leader much like sam. And hell even Emma who has a very interesting story arc being this playful but subtle mean faced girl had more compliance being the final girl. Abi felt useless throughout the entire game because they just didn't build any of her character arc and scenes after her showdown with Nick. but you are entitled to your opinion.
Zach (Jacob), Dylan (Miles), and Kaitlyn (Brenda) are my standouts too. I enjoyed their performances. I've been saying they need to do a "slasher" akin to Scream or Cabin in the Woods with a tighter-knit cast with branching pathways for characters. I would love for actors from the Quarry like Zach, to be in said game. Tropes upon tropes! "your final girl can die" "douchey jock is a douche but has a heart" "your blonde bombshell can live" "red herring is the hero/heroine" For years I've wanted a scooby doo game done in the same way Until Dawn was set up.
The pacing gets absolutely butchered by laura. They kick the action into motion only to then toss us into a super long flashback that reiterates werewolf mechanics weve already learned
@@ChandlerWithaZ honestly yea, because the 3 big issues with her is A) theres no mystery about her, she shows back up and immediately explains it all- its been like a month so couldve said they were given different clothes and made her hair messier or something to make her look like another hacket at first glance B) her flashback takes way too much time to basically just relay all the werewolf rules everybody knows and takes you out of the tension of the game. We’d miss out on the cop guy’s character but still better than grinding the game to a hault C) if she wasnt framed as the main character the game wouldnt have to try and make it seem like her default solution being “trust me I know murdering these people will fix it” is reasonable
TBH, Dylan as his quirky character is the only reason I kept playing this game. The following are confirmed list of deleted scenes but already has full voice dialoguesa Good premise, but it was revealed that Zach Tinker, the Jock guy revealed that there are so many deleted scenes. 1. Jacob and Emma when scouting for supplies, there was actually intended longer lockpicking route multiple times. The indoor of the merch ship where both of them hunt for supplies looked like a maze because there was actually a creature inside and they have to sneak their way in with longer convo. Zach Tinker (voice actor of Jacob) showed manuscript on his TWITCH channel revealing all recorded voice lines 2. Abigail and Nick have longer conversations and interaction when walking through rocky road stuff which explains the disparity and sudden cut of dialogues as well as sunset in the background 3. Dylan has more exposure in the radio shack that was cut off and removed. When abigail visits the radio shack for the first time, dialogues and scenes of dylan were deleted. 4. There is longer chase scene in Jacob and Emma similar when being chased, it also included that they swim and used some sort of climbing but it was deleted. 5. Dylan's voice actor was dissapointed when half of his dialogues are cut on one scene where Dylan is teasing Kaitlyn with another HACKA HACKA QUARRY. Players would not catch the joke since it was cut but there was a glitch that if you pause the scene and play and do it back and forth a glitch will reveal the whole dialogues but no screen actors playing. 6. As Dylan went down the ladder he has more dialogues and intended to look around. however it will spoil the future scene of Emma and Abigail
If you are wondering why voice assets are there. The Quarry intended to aim at a specific deadline that was released post-pandemic and they decided to cut the scenes yet left the audio files running. Its not about the budget, compared to other SUPERMASSIVE games, this game is short compared to other ones but i believe they tended to release it on said rushed date
I still don't get why Ryan, the unlikable dumb vacuum of charisma who obviously was an author self-insert for "the weird loner dude who totally is facts don't care about your feelings (despite seeing werewolf attacks twice, and seeing the Nick transformation firsthand) gets all the girls", hence why everyone was so attracted to him for zero reason was the main male protagonist instead of Dylan, the funny quirky likable guy who became an Ash expy when he got his fucking hand mauled and cut/shot off.
@@youtube-kit9450 LMAO, i AGREE WITH YOU! Well Dylan's character is actually perfect to be as a side character because he leverages and almost do anything. If he became the protagonist, he might become the "MARY SUE" of the story who can do everything with little to no vulnerability. RYAN's character is common on video games and anime niche series where the protagonist is the literal blank slate of the century and have little to no development but will have a character change such as like RYAN killing the wolf but it takes you more than 5 episode to see development. The developers of the game had the intention of creating a story where the characters are also generic such as the characters in SCOOBY DOO, there is a loud jock, a slut sexist feminine, a frail character, the silent one but charming, the Joker that everybody loves, the nerd one that nobody likes and the literal boring background character. None of the cast are practically seen on real life as each one have their clique or specific group of friends that has interest or same hobby with same goal which is why it is true to fiction to find these bunch of characters who are friends like lego block like look at the combination of the group lmao. Kinda sad that with the amazing cast of characters is just come short due to the pandemic and budget for the video game
@@youtube-kit9450 I think the only reason me and my friend liked Ryan as much as we did during our play through was because we just decided that him and Dylan had to get together. I didn’t realize how much Ryan’s character was being carried by Dylan until the later chapters when him and Laura started traveling together.
I think Emma's ambiguous internet fame is just a consequence of the writers having a bit of an outdated sense of what a hip twenty-something looks like. Like, she's obviously supposed to be some sort of "social media influencer," but they only have a vague impression of what an influencer actually does, so they default to her doing the sort of train-of-thought vlogging content you might see people do in the early 2000s instead.
Ah yes, the age of daily random stupid vlogs by vapid people that for some reason got oodles of views as if the viewers couldn't just live life themselves. I honestly am surprised that this vlogging stuff didn't absolutely spike again since there, you'd actually have a semi-valid reason to feel isolated and alone and in need of parasocial relationships to live through them as a teenager.
@@youtube-kit9450 I mean, most vloggers had a specific lifestyle (real or not) that their viewers wanted to emulate. The perfect family, a life of luxury, living off the land, most successful vloggers created videos you could live that lifestyle through
@@youtube-kit9450 i mean, there were a lot of those vlogs in 2020/2021 where people, usually faceless teens/20 year olds just recorded their day, but they were less popular than 2000s blogs and more polished, less just uncut car/bedroom selfiecording/ranting, more "aesthetic" clips spliced together with filters on top.
like i watched my fair share of those in 2021 when i was a sad homeschooled tween/teen who's parent's didn't really want him to leave the house to talk to people and infect his grandparents with covid
One scene i will ALWAYS come back to in the Quarry is the Scrapyard scene with Dylan and Kaitlyn. It just gives me major Until Dawn vibes in the best way possible. Mainly just the suspense and the fact you can get Dylan and Kaitlyn killed if you’re not careful with the QTE’s. I’m sad that the scrapyard scene felt so short. As it really is the best part of the game, in my opinion of course.
I think I found Laura and Max interesting in one aspect because they are the rare playable characters from the prologue in the Supermassive games to be alive later and not die when they are introduced and be kept alive that I've seen.
^This. I got sick of that trope real quick; until dawn and man of medan were cool. House of ashes was the last time it worked for me though 😂 Little hope and the other one I don’t really remember as well, I played them after the other three since a friend wanted me to try out SMG but wanted me to experience the best stuff
I am a self admitted Quarry enjoyer/apologist, that being said it does have major problems. It almost feels like they told 3 employees to sit and write their own storyline for a cool werewolf game and then picked cherry picked the best bits from each of them but none of the bits fit together in a cohesive way. I think they should have went all in on the Max/Laura storyline. Same opening, then flash forward to them in the jail and having to escape then if/when they do so they have to go after the family and save max. Even if you're only able to play back and forth between the couple it would have felt so much more compelling as a story.
@@RatatTalks I'm honestly surprised they bungled this part so hard when they knew what to do in until dawn. From 10 people, they got rid of two immediately (Hannah/Beth), one's unplayable (Josh) and another one is basically an easter egg to play as if you manage to save them (Jess) and took Matt out of the story rather early, clearly focussing on the rest of the cast (Mike, Sam, Chris, Ashley, Emily), which is btw half the entire cast left. It also helps that Mike and Sam were the clear main characters and Chris' and Ashley's arcs mostly revolve around each other. Chris and Ashley also have the issue that they basically stop being relevant after their possible deaths, but because you have two main characters who don't get usurped mid-game, it stays engaging.
I usually put on video essays to have interesting background noise while I work. But this was so well written, well argued and narrated that I spent the entire hour completely engrossed in listening. All the points are precisely thought out. I don't agree with some, but each idea is expertly backed up with direct example and real world parallel. More than enough to say, "It's not what I think, but I see where you're coming from and respect it," or even change my mind entirely. That's the mark of damn good writing!
If you like content like this, I'd also recommend Tehsnakerer and PatricianTV. Both do longform video essays on games, with Tehsnakerer specializing with jank, and are pretty well written.
Sounds and Feels like Ryans character (and arc) were assassinated because he was getting in the way of the Final Girl(tm) and pushing her out of the spot light
Dylan is easily my favorite character, even over some characters in until Dawn. His personality is consistent and relatable. I went to summer camp as a kid for years and you really do feel / act like a different person when you’re there. I also love his awkwardness, at first it’s a little off putting but it grows on you
Abi got the TellTale treatment. If a character can die, but survives - they're banished to the background so they can't do anything important the writers would have to account for later
I feel like man of median did handled characters dying better I been even what's her face there is one girl in the devil in me who can die pretty early on but her character is still part of the plot I mean heck one big choice can't happen without her lol
One thing I want to mention is that most if not all Supermassive games, you can just go the whole game without figuring out what's going on. 1. In Until Dawn, you can go the whole game without figuring out that Hannah is one of the cannibals. 2. In Man of Medan, you can go through whole game without figuring out that none of what you're seeing is real and the ship isn't haunted. 3. In Little Hope, you can go the whole game without figuring out that the fire was an accident and Megan never had malicious intentions. 4. In House of Ashes, you can go the whole game without figuring out that the vampires are an alien race that used to be peaceful, and were then ruined by the parasites. 5. In The Devil in Me, you can go the whole game without figuring out who or what Du'Met even is. But with the Quarry, the game will try as hard as possible to deliver everything to you without effort. All of the things I listed above are acquired through the clues you find throughout each game, but in the Quarry, there isn't ever any extra dialogue aside from the immediate speech you get when interacting with them, and they're never mentioned again. Like you said, the only collectible in the game that matters is the Hierophant (and debatably, the evidence). Sure, you need to keep all the characters alive to get the whole story, but I think (one of) my main gripes with the Quarry is the fact you never feel rewarded for getting the collectibles. I recently did a playthrough of Until Dawn where I got all of the clues, and it helped me figure out some stuff I never knew about the game. Hell, Man of Medan, my least favorite game Supermassive has ever made, at least has a bunch of dialogue for getting the game's various secrets. And even then, getting House of Ashes' collectibles helps you realize what's actually going on, even if there's not much extra dialogue. I think I just like being rewarded for finding secrets in games.
Yeah that's true. Like at one point Laura straight up said "Chris Hacket is a werewolf" like she directly gave away what would've been a pretty big reveal if I had put it together myself
I think Ryan was really poorly cast and/or directed. They went for someone super aloof without much charisma, but he had all the super emotional scenes you mentioned, and half the counselors are supposed to be head over heels for him?? I don’t get Ryan, and I fully agree with his placement in your ranking.
Justice Smith can be a pretty good actor from other stuff I've seen him in, although the monotone does seem to be a feature of his style, so I think most of the issue lies with the direction and writing here.
Personally, I really liked Ryan. Only after finishing the game I realized I actually relate to him a lot. He seems to have a lot of family issues and made him rely on himself only and he is reluctant to even consider dating. He is that one character that touches reality and always acts like a normal human being would. He shows empathy but is also smart and can pick up on the details relatively easily and corrects people when they are in the wrong and funny dialogues come out of it. He decides to keep what's not crucial to others to himself. It feels like in his social life, he takes a safe step back, remains sarcastic. I feel like I do it too, especially with people I don't know entirely. He may not be a good fit for a horror movie, where you want the characters with raw emotions and crazy touching stories so that when they die you feel something deep down your heart, but he very much is realistically written and I think Justice tops it off with a very uncertain and reserved voice and it all just makes sense, it clicks
nick's actor confirmed on insta that the infection alters your worst traits to be something they're not, so nick being a creep to abi is likely the infection making it so that his crush on her becomes something disturbing and offputting- also compared with the fact he was full on MAULED in the woods and had a huge bite taken out of his thigh, which has important arteries, the infection made it to his brain *much* faster and probably hit him a lot harder. he would have died if the infection didn't prevent that from happening, so nick is incredibly out of it- that, plus the fact he doesn't even know what's going on, made him about a hundred times more susceptible to the virus
Important note about Emma's social media content, there are a lot of small-time UA-camrs who make this sort of content- they're usually titled something including the word storytime, and it's pretty much exactly what Emma does lol. I used to watch somebody all the time who talked about interpersonal drama within her friend group and local community. I think teenagers are prone to watching this kind of content because it feels like you're having a relatable conversation with a friend.
@@youtube-kit9450 all of the people who I knew did this have moved on to different content forms, but I'm not totally sure that it's a dead genre- I think it's kind of just moved to short form content. Isn't it kind of what a lot of tiktok kids do?
I just wanted to mention that there are at least two instances of a character with albinism in media who are not evil or villainous, both from Aardman movies funnily enough. Albino Pirate from The Pirates (in an Adventure with Scientists), who is a rather jovial young lad with a fascination with exotic diseases. and Whitey from Flushed Away who is a rat with albinism who, despite being a henchman for the movie's main antagonist, is very sympathetic and rather dim-witted but has his heart in the right place.
Dylan is my favorite for sure, very funny, his terror feels the most genuine, and he does a lot to try to help the situation The "he(a)rd of bears" bit with him and Ryan made me actually bust up laughing, that whole scene is great, going from funny, to creepy, to intense, to horrifying, it might be the best scene in the game
Same. He really made the game for me. I enjoyed his humor. I also like how for some they're easy to dismiss him as this goofball unserious character, when he's imo the most protective and compassionate. Him and Kaitlyn were real showstoppers for me Even when transforming, Dylan puts others before himself, and there's several instances where he'll throw himself into danger to save someone. One of my favorite scenes is if Dylan got infected, and him and Kaitlyn run into werewolf Emma by the car (I think is the scene), Dylan will put himself in front of Kaitlyn to protect her. Upon realizing Emma isn't attacking him he stays in the way so Kaitlyn can escape. I think he's the only character to be like this consistently in any situation. It also showed to me the game's potential. I wish it got... MORE somehow. Or just approached things a bit differently. Because I enjoyed the idea behind how the transformations worked, affecting personality and it being different depending on the person or what not. I have more to say, but I'm not really sure how to articulate it. But basically I enjoyed the game well enough, it had its problems and could've been executed way better but I did have fun still and liked a lot about it. And Dylan was a huge chunk of that enjoyment of it. A great character. Miles nailed it.
Or, hell, move the love triangle here lol. Have Abby have a secret crush she's been nursing for Emma for who-knows-how-long, but Emma's boy-crazy and a flirt and Abby has convinced herself it doesn't matter and that she's content to just follow in Emma's shadow anyway. I guess they could let Emma and Abby express feelings for each other, but if we're wanting to keep some of Abby's "shy girl has been strong all along, but gets out of a toxic situation," her big "character moment" could be recognizing that Emma has likely suspected all along that Abby likes her, and has kept her around without committing because it makes her feel wanted. Then let Abby break free. You could do a LOT with that. If Jacob turns into a werewolf, does Abby think of him as a competitor and shoot him? Does she see him as another victim? If Emma turns into a werewolf after Abby has had her realization, does she have compassion, and does she think that compassion is a weakness, or a sign of her healing? Does Emma kill her when she lowers her gun, echoing some of the themes discussed in the video? The more I type, the more I think this would have been better lol
The reason I personally love Until Dawn is the level of restraint that the trailers had when it was first announced, focusing on the mask-donning psychokiller hunting the group at the resort. This diverted any and all expectation for the more horrific & nerve wrecking reveal of the game's true antagonist(s), which worked so well because the payoff excelled seamlessly with what the team had envisioned. And that's how you know it's good when the first half of the game lets you connect the tropes from other iconic movies, and then transforms the last segment into a The Decent scenario which had me more on edge my first & second playthrough, a year separating both times I basked in the perfect interactive horror game Until Dawn. But The Quarry introduces us to the Werewolves & Hackett family almost instantly within the first two-three hours without any grand reveal, I mean the reveal with the werewolf on the island didn't grasp what it intended to do was because Emma was being a insufferable influencer right before the event transpired.
I did very much like the game, and I feel like it shines when it comes to the decision trees, but I do agree that the characters grated on my nerves--Like I genuinely wanted to wring the neck of a good few of them **coughRyancough** whenever they opened their mouth. Like they're INSUFFERABLE to listen to, good lord. I subscribe to the thought of anyone who was infected were showing the darkest parts of themselves right before they turned, which gave them a bit of flavor that I appreciated. Nick seems to have a lot of suppressed emotions and thoughts that are very unhealthy, Emma taunts and mocks her 'audience' and is egocentric, Jacob is very insecure and panicky, and Dylan is pushing people away through his demeanor (even though it's for a good cause at the time). Ryan and Kaitlyn were never far enough in their infectious state for that part to come out, Max was a tad aggressive to Laura if you pick a certain dialogue option while in jail (but who can blame him?), and Laura was probs the only one I saw trying to actively keep herself together through her symptoms. Maybe that's just me looking too deep into things, but I thought it was a cool touch.
To be fair, this was the same with Until Dawn, except for Sam and maybe Matt since they had next to zero personality to speak of. The rest of the characters were genuinely insufferable, even Chris in certain circumstances, and I don't believe the game gave them the character development to undo those character flaws. But... that's a lot of the point of horror movies, which these are obviously based off of. I found The Quarry's actual story far more compelling and interesting than Until Dawn, and I love Until Dawn.
@sarkaztik3228 Oh no, I completely agree, the characters were awfully lacking in Until Dawn too, as much as I liked it. But to their point, at least their characters can change and shift. The Quarry's were a lot more static, and it was infuriating.
I think it was in Dartigan's video, but i heard somewhere that because this game leans so heavily on referencing early slasher movies and making attempts to pay homage, they did what those movies did by making the cast unlikeable, that way their deaths are more cathartic and fun to watch for the audience. However, it doesn't work for a game because it feels like a failure, killing the characters you're playing as.
@@symoniarose2820I personally enjoy how complex the characters in Until Dawn were. I just fininished Ratata's Until Dawn video and loved to listen to their in-depth character analysis for each of them. Looking at them beyond surface level was really fun and what I understand to be good character building. In the Quarry however, they don't really let their personalities breathe, and instead have the characters directly tell us what's going on in their head (i.e. Emma talking to her viewers, Dylan and Ryan talking about what they do outside of camp while they're literally being hunted). In The Quarry it feels out of place and almost stilted. You can make a case that Until Dawn did the same thing with Jessica, where she can talk about her lack of confidence, but when she did that it told us something about her character while she was speaking to the guy she loved. It was a soft moment between a couple that made sense. I'm sorry for ranting I've finally found my people
You'd think they'd allow Ryan to interact with or at least have flashbacks with the werewolf children. They are supposed to know eachother after all. That way, the player might actually feel something when they die... It's sad that you can't even save the girl.
I havent finished the video but what made until dawn an instant classic was it was simple. It felt like many diverging plotlines but it all came together. While the quarry got so many plotlines, they never converge into one coherent story. Not only the plotlines, but the themes, theres too much of it. Maybe it wouldve made more sense if supermassive tried that resident 6 where the characters joined together in one climactic scene it wouldve been more...idk funner i guess?
Oh God, you're so right about Ryan. My hackles were up when he was right after Nick because I remember wading through so many opinions of people who disliked him in the first half of the game, who found how lowkey he could be in his mannerisms (that's probably not the best way to describe it but it's been a While since I watched this game) to be a massive flaw. But you made your point well describing what he had to offer in the first half and showing how the second half really undermined what they set up for him. I think I shifted my focus to Laura and Travis because they had the most to offer in the second half and didn't bother to draw a conclusion about Ryan as a character. The turn he took is disappointing, come to think of it.
When my friend and I first played this game, we noticed something that nobody else seems to be talking about - when using the binoculars at the lake scene, you can see an Alamo watermark, which is probably where the developers got that ‘binoculars screen effect’ decal. It was so hilarious that it killed any dramatic tension throughout the whole scene lol.
The biggest issue with the game for me is the lack of the relationship and character trait meters from Until Dawn. In UD even minor dialogue options mattered because they effected the status bars and allowed you to define who you want the characters to be. With it's absence in The Quarry, it makes character relationships way harder to understand and makes the whole choice system feel way less deep
This is also strange as dark pictures allowed characters relationships to determine dialogue in scenes, so it’s another case of missing a feature that had existed and been good previously.
Some of them are kind of half-baked, both kaitlyn and abi can get infected but you don’t see them turn, same with Ryan. Jacob and Emma have pretty interesting werewolf scenes though.
isnt laura also a required werewolf? I just think infections were really niche. In 90% of scenarios your character would flat out die if they lose a qte. but sometimes the werewolf just nibbles on you and infects you?
as much as it kills the pacing, the laura flashback chapter is actually my favourite because it gives us more of the best character in the game: travis. i find his character sooo compelling and i love the ways his attitude and demeanour change depending on how laura interacts with him, and ted raimi's performance is just amazing. man i could write a wholeass essay on the character of travis hackett i just think he's neat
Loved this analysis! It's so true not every game needs to be 8 playable characters. And yes omg I really hate the unskippable tarot card sections where it is JUST the item description!! 😭 feels so lazy! I always think about how in Until Dawn everyone seems really terrified, but in the Quarry no one has any reactions. Emma cracks all these jokes after being chased by a werewolf. Most of all I hate the final scene with Laura, Ryan, Travis and Silas. The game makes out it is going to be this huge battle to kill Silas but it is a 2 minute segment, you just stand there and have to shoot Silas whilst he sits still (although there is a time limit) and it feels really anticlimactic Hyped for next video whatever it is!
Remember that until dawn had 10 characters, but 2 get removed in the prologue (Hannah, Beth), 1 is basically unplayable (Josh), Jess is basically an easter egg considering how difficult it can be to save her, and Matt also gets written out super early. So you're left with 5 characters, of which two (Chris/Ashley) mostly have the storyline revolve around each other, and then the main characters Sam and Mike, and Emily who's a middle ground since you can kill her early, but she also constantly stays somewhat relevant if you manage to keep her alive. It also really helped until dawn that no one comes in in the middle to usurp the main protagonist position. Imagine the mess of a game if Beth suddenly came in in the middle and took over and told us everything about Hannah etc.
Okay so this is just a small little thing I wanted a mention and not really an issue, but you asked why an Aussie (Nick) would come all the way from Australia to be a camp counselor in the U.S. This is a lot more common than you’d actually think. I went to a Summer camp for almost 8 years straight from the age of 9 to 16 years old. At this camp there were counselors from all over. Most were actually from a different state, but every single year there was a large handful of international counselors. I’ve had counselors from England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Canada, Australia, Mexico, and even Austria. There were a lot of international counselors because it was an easy way for them to get into the U.S., visit a country they’ve never been to, try new things, and it looks great on a resumé. Hope that makes more sense. I’m not sure of the writers for The Quarry actually knew how common it was, but I think it makes a ton of sense from my own experience at Summer camps.
Thanks for the perspective, somebody else said something similar. In the UK most our equivalent summer camp things are pretty domestic so this seemed odd, but I guess the USA and Canada and places like that just have a bigger draw.
Dylan is also weirdly obsessed with cutting arms off. And it is the funniest thing ever. When Nick comes back injured, Dylan’s first reaction is “we gotta cut his arm off, no other way” And same again when his arm gets injured he’s like “RYAN HURRY UP AND CUT MY ARM OFF NOT LIKE I WAIT WAITING FOR AN EXCUSE TO CUT MY ARM OFF OR SOMETHING” And the funniest thing about this is that it’s HELPFUL. Cutting Dylan’s arm off helps him. It stops the warewolf curse from affecting him. He’s even like “ha I knew my obsession with cutting arms off will help one day!” (Not in those exact words but still)
Such a great balance in critiques and giving what’s due when it gets something right! I really enjoyed this breakdown. Thougj I find it hard not to believe Abby’s storyline with the abusive incel boyfriend was done on accident; especially when compared to Jacob’s storyline. Most likely it’s a leftover from troubled development, especially when it isn’t tied in at all to the main themes, and that’s why Nick and some parts might seem odd. But oh my god I’m glad you talked about how much Ryan tanked I do not understand how they could have dropped the ball so hard. The only theory I have was that Laura’s storyline was so far in development that by the time she reenters the story there was just no time/assets to allow Ryan to be a character, since he’d clearly be so opposed to her opinions and storylines. But his character assassination is so bad it made me hate her, despite her amazing interactions with Travis I just couldn’t stand how Ryan’s character and the plot had to bend around her. This all just reminded me how good The Quarry could have been, it feels like with more time or a stronger vision it could have really been something special.
@@scvrlett18 there is more romantic chemistry between dylan and ryan than there is between ryan and kaitlyn. Why would we remember a line like that right out the gate when we know nothing about these characters yet and the story does zilch to show us that.
@@scvrlett18 yeah, in GOOD media. Unfortunately The Quarry is written for horny highschoolers. One of the major rules of good media is show not tell. Telling, when you’re never gonna remember what they said, and then not actually showing to reinforce the telling, is actually a sign of bad media.
Wow, I just finished the quarry for the first time and I loved it but man, you’re so right on all of the points! Especially Laura developing a conscious about shooting Silas at the end - I was like nooo, we’ve spent the whole game getting here. I have to shoot him. But the fact that was an option is so weird now you’ve pointed it out!
dude I just got back into the Quarry yesterday and was desperately searching for a decent analysis video, and here you come like an angel who has made the only good one on this entire goddamn site
Ryan’s my favorite character, so when seeing him ranked so low I got really upset at first. But when you started to list the reasons why I completely agreed with them! And now I’m completely frustrated that they did Ryan so dirty!!! He deserved better in terms of character writing!! >~
Thanks for hearing me out. I don’t try to approach characters from a place of attacking them or attacking the writers, but rather wanting to understand what worked and what didn’t. I just wish Ryan had been better realised in the second half of the game.
until dawn had such extensive lore, its so crazy to me that the same studio made the character of silas. his story could've been so cool and tragic if they bothered to make him an actual character. but no he's just evil and that's it
I don't know if you plan to but I'd absolutely love it if you covered this entire Supermassive/Dark Anthology series, there have been some serious hits and misses. I've watched a lot of video essays on these games and you truly have a unique perspective, I feel like you're gonna blow up soon
I think the problem Supermassive has is the fact that Until Dawn doesnt reveal the real threat until halfway into the game and it makes you think the real threat is a serial killer, sure you get bits and pieces of the Wendi's (not saying the full name for reasons) before they are revealed as the real threat, where as games like Man of Medan, and Little Hope, its under the guise of being a supernatural threat only for it to be either a halucination by death gas, or a bus driver having a psychotic break and everything was in his head the entire time. even with the Quarry, yes it has a real supernatural element to it, however they played the werewolf card way too early on in the game, there would have been so much more suspense if the developers made us think that the Hacketts were hunting the kids for sport, it would have been better for Nick to be attacked off screen and work up to the realization he had been bit by a werewolf, the only other game in the dark pictures anthology that has the perfect buildup is House of Ashes because in the beginning we are introduced to the threat without it being shown, we know its something supernatural, but we dont find out what the threat is until about halfway through the game, even the ending credits has what the quarry was missing, the survivors are being interogated and it makes you feel like your choices matter, where as in the quarry, it doesnt matter what you do, the counsellers will all be arrested unless you find enough proof to back up your story, and even then its not a special cutscene, its nothing, its just a "hey guy we have an update, they arent guilty" it just felt like a major slap in the face to make us go through all that effort, and for what?
I really appreciate how you pointed out how problematic it is to continuously portray Roma/Roma adjacent people and Albino people as evil or demented in some way. You don’t get that kind of much needed nuance often!🔥🙏🏽
Thanks. I wish you the best of luck in defending yourself from the responses you're going to get to this if my experience with peoples takes on this are anything to go by..
hey just wandered over here from the algorithm, this was fantastic. really glad to see you properly analyse the writing of the game and its characters, rather than just recounting the plot and labelling it a video essay. your early contextual framework of briefing us on the issues at Supermassive was really helpful.
Ratat: “Caleb and Kaylee Hackett decide that keeping a child in a cage is WRONG-because it is” Woahhhh stand back everyone he’s coming out with takes hotter than the Harum Scarum fire
The Quarry's biggest sin is that like all Supermassive games, most of your choices don't matter. The game can mostly play itself without touching the controller.
I kind of like how chaotic all the storylines are and some characters just being “basic”. Made it more realistic to me in terms of viewpoint. I felt like I wasn’t getting too much information and the confusion kept it interesting. I did want more from all of them though. And your Ryan main character idea was spot on, that would have been awesome.
I enjoy the vid and how you break down each character, most video essays usaully just focus on plot & themes or just the Main character. And I like seeing how people see the other characters instead of just brushing them off. Also Super Appreciate you put the chapter timestamps in the description. Makes it way more accessible for mobile users!
they made it look like a dark anthologies game where we get to play with our friends as different characters, but made us pay a triple AAA price just to watch our friends play, when we could do that for free on discord.
You know, I have albinism, and I genuinely have never heard about the trope of albino characters being evil. Actually, it’s super rare for me to see albino characters at all in media. Why are they associated with evil, I wonder? How strange.
Appreciate the detail/overview's you go through in the beginning, watched this game only once when it came out and I've forgotten most parts of it. I agree with most of your points, really just feels like three writers went in separate rooms, made their stories and someone else just meshed them together without much thought while cutting what would've made the original products great. Your videos have been in my recommended tab for like a month, both this and the until dawn video, finally checked them out and loved them! Supermassive games always have a special place in my heart, until dawn is like the first horror game I actually remember enjoying the whole way through as a fan of narrative driven games, and although they're flawed, I can find at least one aspect/sequence/part that I loved from each of their games. Excited to see what you cover next!
i remember when this game came out and i was obsessed with it i platinumed and made tiktoks about it. i tried to replay it a few weeks ago and couldnt get past chapter 3 i think theres certain events that have to happen for the plot emma getting infected in chapter 4 means she will turn and there will be a fight scene which makes the game so much better. if you dont infect emma its just a random scene. this scene also leads to a very important section where emma and jacob will have a talk and it fleshes out there characters. even though i dont think the game needs this but ive heard people say that emma and abi should have a talk about nick and the kiss. some others say that most characters except ryan laura kaitlyn and dylan are super under used. i think the game is amazing and it made me into games emma will always be my fav game character. but it falls flat if you dont get certain scenes. (i dont reaally know how to end this comment sorry guys if its to long) (also just watched your nick werewolf thing what happens with werewolf and how he gets angry and thats there true nature its not guys when they turn it boosts there worst or best traits)
Emma is super variable, I agree, I mentioned her discussion with Jacob here, and I really like that scene. On the subject of content you can just miss, Kaitlyn has a pretty funny missable scene where if you fail the first QTE when she's running away from Bobby it just skips the entire scene but the whole thing is still implied to have happened off screen.
I think you have the best take on Laura I've seen (not that I've watched a whole lot of The Quarry discussion videos) of it's not that she's a bad character it's just that her inclusion makes other characters worse.
Currently playing through the with a group of friends and right off the bat we started referring to the werewolves as “ghouls” and even after the werewolf reveal I think we’re sticking to ghouls just cuz they look a lot more like ghouls than werewolves lmao
I 100% agree having a mean girl/character that causes problems could have helped. But I was glad that Emma wasn't really that. I think her having good intentions but going about things wrong and causing problems that way could be fun or someone else needs should do it.
The part I hate the most about Nick is when he turns, like if you don’t shoot him, then Abigail dies. My question is why tf would I want to shoot him😭😭 the main objective in the game is to keep everyone alive so why would I immediately try to shoot a character…
I noticed that they've been trying to subvert a lot of choices you had in Until Dawn, like you mentioned about not wanting to shoot a character. Not shooting Emily was the right decision but here it gets you killed. A big point in Until Dawn was "sometimes doing nothing is the right thing to do", but in The Quarry doing nothing will often result in you dying.
I mean... he literally turned into a bloodthirsty monster in front of you and yeeted you through half the house. Why wouldn't you shoot it since your life obviously is in grave danger. I'd understand your problem if the choice was before he yeeted her and turned into a werewolf, like if the choice popped up when he was struggling, but at that point? It'd be lunacy to not shoot at the monster wanting to chop your head off.
I remember laughing when the part where if you don’t shoot Nick as Abby Nick turns and kills Abby, Laura knocks on the door and tells the story and Ryan still doesn’t believe it even after he saw Nick turn and rip Abby’s head off lol “there must be an explanation.”
thank you for the nick section, everyone acts like i’m crazy when i say that i feel like nick is actually like that and just hiding. i enjoyed the video, i hope you talk about the dark pictures anthology
I feel like Nick was supposed to come over as more controlling because the werewolf bite made him go from infatuated to possessive, but the writer's nuance meter was off by a mile and they accidentally wrote him as a predatory creep who wants "easy pickings" and is self-absorbed and a possessive abusive jackass. I feel like Nick isn't called out enough for the behaviour or doesn't get any comeuppance for his actions for the degree of how bad he is to be written deliberately. But yes, he absolutely comes over as a terrible person in the game.
You're voicing a lot of the issues I had with the game as well. While the Until Dawn characters could be annoying, they all had likeable traits, even the mean girls. Jessica was annoying but she showed her insecurities and was quick to cooperate with Matt when things got serious. Emily was awful but at least she had a head on her shoulders and usually acted logically when the situation required it. The Quarry's characters (and plot) don't have that same balanced charm. It just feels like a poor sequel, which is really what it is. I hope they try again, learn their lessons, and come back with something better.
More Romany by % died in the WW2 camps than any other persecuted group. I appreciate the "political' stance of seeing the humanity in people who are often still dehumanized. Thank you.
I watched like half the video. I completely agree. But i think its like this because it was cut short due to covid. They started doing mocap during covid and it got cut short so they used what they could. If im not mistaken the original script was way longer with every character being utilized more and more. There were also supposed to be more locations, chases, deaths. But yk. Stupid ass covid.
RatatTaIks blocked me on my other account for this exchange earlier so that my posts wouldn't be seen. They're the only comments I ever made on this channel. For you own amusement before he sees this and blocks me again to hide this post like the very honest, brave guy he is. @ rickyandreou 10 hours ago 1:01:11 "Based" was popularized online among Alt-right dudebros as a slang term generally used as an affirmation for things unapologetically racist or otherwise bigoted & anti-"woke". [Example] News Article: Local man disowns daughter for marrying a black man. Alt-right dudebro sh*thead: Based! I find it really hard to believe that anyone still throwing that term around wouldn't be aware of this. Jacob does seem to be the only character who consistently seems to dislike the one black guy at camp for no apparent reason & he's definitely a "dudebro" so maybe you were actually trying to use the term accurately which would be telling considering how much you seem to like the character. @ RatatTaIks 9 hours ago (edited) I appreciate the word has that connotation, but it was popularised in quite a few circles by Lil B and didn’t have that same meaning within those circles. In more recent years it’s also been pretty heavily reclaimed as a post-ironic piece of slang, which is mainly how I’m using it. As with most colloquialisms it has numerous usages over time, and can be applied differently dependent on context and intent, to immediately assume the most bad faith interpretation and then to use it to apply an assertion on someone’s character is irresponsible in my opinion. Also Jacob doesn’t really give me those vibes, but fair enough if that’s what you pick up on, you’re welcome to your own analysis. I think I’ve made it pretty clear across all of my videos that I have nothing but disdain for anti-woke grifters and people who buy into their rhetoric, and by no means am I trying to cater to them. @ rickyandreou 9 hours ago What I find irresponsible is casually throwing about an ambiguous slang term that in recent years has been appropriated & widely associated among online Alt-right bigoted communities & then claim innocence when called out about it. A responsible person would just avoid using the tainted term altogether to avoid that potential association. The LIl B cop out is merely plausible deniability that doesn't hold up as it was never popularized among hip hop/black communities & certainly not in the manner which you use it, which is in fact more aligned with its Alt-right dudebro usage. So again, a responsible person would just NOT use it at all to avoid giving people the wrong impression or you can just admit that you either simply don't care that you're signal boosting what many people recognize as a popular Alt-right appropriated slang term or that you're actually happy doing so as a wink to your fellow brethren.
Hour long quarry video let’s go! Do I think the quarry is an objectively good game? No. Is it still one of my favorite games ever? Absolutely haha. Cant wait to watch :D
I really liked The Quarry. Much more than I expected to actually, but I still love to watch these videos showing the pros and cons about these games. It helps me understand the reasons why something I enjoy won't necessarily be enjoyable to someone else. Great video!
This game would be a solid 6/10 if it AT LEAST did the werewolves right. But it didn't. The werewolves in TQ don't even look like werewolves (they look more like the aliens from Signs funnily enough.) And the fact they just burst into werewolves instantly, there's no tense, painful transition, it completely takes away from a major aspect of horror of the werewolf mythology. I'm not saying they had to do every transformation like American Werewolf In London (hell, they could have just done most of them off screen and used sound effects to imply the shift), but if they at least gave us SOMETHING. A glimpse of a slow, painful transformation, I'm wondering if they straight up didn't have the budget to do so. Because I can't imagine in any realm where they thought exploding meatmen was better and less goofy than an actual transition. It completely deflates the tension if someone goes from being a human to a werewolf in 0.5 seconds. Remember in Until Dawn when we see Hannah's journal, and we see her writing down her last coherent thoughts as she slowly loses her mind when the Wendigo spirit takes over her? The idea of someone forcibly changing into something monstrous against their will is so innately horrific (and ingrained into werewolf mythology and other mythologies like it) that just seeing Hannah's journal entries was effective enough.
Went into this video expecting to disagree, but it turned out you have so many great takes, even on the ones i did disagree with i can definitely see where you're coming from. Opened my eyes on several things that i didn't read into much, and I gotta say this impressed me. I'm definitely interested in your other videos now. Aside from that, Travis is definitely my favourite character from this game, so I gotta say it did made me happy to hear you give him the appreciation he deserves, even if it was brief (seriously, I feel like people are sleeping on him). Honestly would love to hear your in-depth take on Travis lol. great video
Thanks for the comment, I’m glad you heard me out, and I welcome any disagreements/counterpoints to anything I say. Art isn’t some objective thing, so I enjoy seeing other people’s interpretations. Travis is great, in part because he looks good in comparison to other characters, in part due to Ted Raimis performance, and in part because the tragic family member of the werewolves is a great stock horror archetype.
for the part where he talks about the characters making to many jokes in a dangerous situation i would agree with you on that but as being a part of this kind of generation my self most of us are already making jokes bout how we are all dead like with climate change and stuff so them making jokes in a dangerous situation makes sense to me because that may relive tension and stress among the group because for me that's a natural response to stress and danger i make jokes to calm myself down. but that's just my opinion
I guess that's true but that kind of threat doesn't really trigger a flight or fight response. Global warming isn't likely to sneak up on me in an alley and jump me, at least not that I know of.
The game was enjoyable in my opinion, there was just so much room for improvement and probably the biggest missed opportunities I’ve seen in recent years of any video game
Good video! Just binged my way through after watching your Until Dawn one earlier this evening. I've only seen UA-cam playthroughs of Until Dawn so I was very happy to play the Quarry for myself when it came out. I definitely agree it's not as strong as its predecessor, although I still enjoyed my time with it a lot. On the topic of the tarots, I will defend the Devil tarot. IIRC it warns you to act "before the devil is unleashed" or something which is a hint that you need Abby to shoot Nick before he turns. Sadly I missed this card and Abby got killed, as I was trying to go for no deaths and wasn't sure if Nick could take a shotgun shell as a human. I like to think I'd have saved her if I'd found the Devil card. I also feel compelled to defend Nick too. I'm reminded of how Emma can lash out so angrily at Abby before she turns. I think they were only going for the bite making him more toxic/aggressive rather than Nick being a bad person inherently. Kinda like roid rage? I may be biased as I think he's cute. 😊 Also, Daan profile pic 👀Love Fear and Hunger!
Edit: Next video is going to be on Man of Medan.
Hi
In a weird coincidence this game is on sale on steam until the 5th August
Get it here store.steampowered.com/app/1577120/The_Quarry/
This isn't an advert or anything, I just saw it and thought I'd share
why do you zillennial losers always feel the need to bring up your obnoxious politics into everything? Nobody cares about what you have a "problem" with. Grow a pair, maggot.
@@RatatTalks ah the game I've never seen a UA-cam finish lmao
Are you doing all their games? 😊 great vid!
@@badsanta5785 jacksepticeye finished it but idk about any other UA-camrs
It bothers me that’s this wasn’t set in the 80s, it fits those vibes completely. Werewolves, a locally famous family on the decline, the summer camp vibes, the lack of phones.
It never made sense to be set in modern times, cause most of those elements don’t exist nowadays; freak shows, and summer camps
Summer camps still exist to this day but most of them aren't actual summer camps but literally torture camps where children are sent to be r*ped and abused by the counsellors who promised the parents to help their children but this also mostly happens in America so
I kinda like that it wasn't set during the 80s. It's so clearly inspired by the typical "werewolf summer camp" story that it would feel even more like it was copying someone else's homework if it was set in the 80s.
I feel certain that summer camps still exist. Freak shows, on the other hand, I just have to suspend disbelief a bit. If I have to accept the existence of werewolves, I can accept the existence of a freakshow in 2020. (After looking it up, the freakshow fire and everything happened in 2014.)
Also, the more problematic elements could have been seen as "throwback".
the 80s vibes omg would have made it INSANEEEEE
Summer camps definitely still exist though?
One thing that I actually really liked about Max is he's the only werewolf in the game i think who sees the aftermath of what he's done
If you got Emma and Jacob killed on the island he finds there bodies and is rightfully horrified and even apologises to their bodies which I thought was really nice characterisation for him
Great point, the werewolves all suffered from a lack of human characterisation so this is a great potential fix that’s already demonstrated in game.
Cant wait for supermassive to discover what the concept of running during gameplay is
Truly AAAA gameplay
hey hey, one thing at a time. they were just told that people don't like QTEs. Babysteps, babysteps.
Hey they got the characters into a light jog during Devil in Me lol
@@XFallenFreakX no people like them, the qtes in this game were just extremely easy compared to until dawn
Wait until they discover that combat is better than QTE's..
I think the final nail in the coffin for The Quarry was the ending.
Whereas Until Dawn has all the surviving characters be interviewed and even gives some of them special dialogue depending on the choices you make or if they're solo survivors. The Quarry just hits you with a quick cut over who lived, who got infected, who died aaaand then it's the same ending every single time with only the final bit changing depending on if you got enough clues or not.
Imagine saving all characters and then be told that they're all going to jail in the most underwhelming conclusion to the story ever. That's pretty frustrating. I really hope they don't botch the ending in their next game.
Well their next game is Frank Stone, which is dead by daylight lore focused, so it must have better endings hopefully 😭
@@aidasalazar9702 Oh yeah! I've heard of that one. I'm not super familiar with DBD lore but I've played it and watched some videos of the game.
The Devil In Me was arguably the only decent story out of the dark pictures, which just so happens to have a killer in it. Sooo fingers crossed!
@@atarsto Personally I thought the story of Devil in Me was all over the place. I hope they give themselves adequate time and tighten up the script for their next game
@@tamiej.5558 Oh really? From what I remember it was a lot better overall compared to the last 3 games in the series. Though I guess that isn't saying much.
Even though they haven't made a game as good as Until Dawn yet I honestly think I will be following them and keeping up with all of their games. Their brand of making Choose-Your-Own-Adventure Movies is something I love and even if they haven't made any that are good since, I'll still be hoping they nail it eventually. Also I know they're making the third installment of Little Nightmares (they bought the rights from the developers of the original series) so I'm really hoping they don't fuck that up.
convinced that half of the writing team thought they were writing a comedy cos silas running up the road at them as they’re saying “how r we gonna find him just driving up the road” is SO FUNNY
It’s hilarious but also
What the hell man
Its so bad its funny
They also never explain how Silas got bit or if he's the first or only werewolf
@@b0xman935 Silas isn't anything as a character, as I pointed out in the 20 seconds on representation that seems to have really riled some people up, they just made him an 'evil' ethnicity and gave him an 'evil' skin condition and expected people to take that as character writing.
He's in the game for like 30 seconds, during which time he basically just jumps in front of a moving car so the game can end. Absolutely nothing writing.
@@RatatTalksEvery game I've heard about from Supermassive makes me think they're just the worst. Like actively choosing the most offensive depictions of marginalized people possible. I watched a playthrough of Little Hope, and I didn't realize at first it was the same people that made Until Dawn. The whole time I was thinking it was going to be a supernatural horror about the cycle of trauma and that the winning criteria would be to break the cycle. Nope. It's just one man trapped in his own mind hallucinating the whole game. What a disappointing twist and a horrible depiction of mental illness. Many of the potential outcomes involve "self-deletion" with no warning, notice, or way to know that was an ending.
57:06 "This is interesting because it's him actively predating on her, which leads to him literally metamorphasizing into a predator. Abby cannot save him here no matter what she does. This might be because he was just always predatory, although it's more than likely because this game is bad." Yeah that got a laugh out of me.
The guy going "Does this look like the goddamn HARBINGER MOTEL TO YOU?!?!?" is the most memorable part 😂😂😂
Ted Raimi is a gem, his performance as Travis is the best part of the game for sure
The introduction of the game was so good ngl, when Travis appears and knocks out Laura, says that line, and the camera pans out and the music kicks in
The plot wouldn't happen if the owner had just picked a better name.
Honestly i dont think supermassive will top until dawn
Honestly I would say they did with house of ashes, genuinely love that game
That is the true, Until Dawn still is his best work IMHO
Nothing will top UD, unless it gets Sony's funding, as UD did. Everything after UD was, best case scenario, mid at best.
EDIT: With the exception being House of Ashes, that was a rare highlight. The rest are just... ''common gen Z horror'' tropes materialized. And before you say it, I am part of this gen too. It should go without saying that TDP Anthology is pretty cringe.
Trust me they will
Until Dawn is one of the greatest Horror Games of all time, the Characters will never be replicated, Characters like Mike, Emily, Sam and Josh are so Memorable and some of the best horror Protagonists I have seen
One thing I didn’t like about The Quarry was the very little use of the setting in the story telling.
In Until Dawn, we’re given a lot of history and context as to why the events have happened on Blackwood Mountain. Why a mountain? It’s because the Washingtons have a vacation lodge, and the characters are having a party up there. Why are there native items everywhere? The Native Americans used to live on it. Why are there mines? Miners were excavating for resources back in the 50’s. Why is there a Sanatorium? Scientists were running experiments on humans turning Wendigo. Why are there multiple Wendigos? Those were the miners. How was it that Hannah was never found? She got stuck and lost in the mines.
Compare this to the Quarry. The quarry itself isn’t even seen until later on, and we spend most of the time in the woods or at camp. The Hackett’s family used to be moonshiners, which is cool but not at all relevant to the story. The werewolves are a result of a freak show coming into town so the threat came from outside. Where? Why hasn’t anyone heard of them bringing a werewolf boy until now? The Hackett’s mansion is there because they just live there. The camp is there for the family to make money off it, and they use it to fund the camp as well as their hunting. They also just happen to have a junkyard.
Until Dawn really goes into depth on the setting, and does a good job of meshing it into the story. The Quarry does the same thing, just not on the same level or degree that Until Dawn had.
Hard agree, there's so much info about the Hacketts businesses, but almost none of it actually means anything. The tunnels feel really dumb because nothing happens in them, they could at least have a werewolf chase down there if nothing else.
Not just that, but another thing that’s great about Until Dawn is the multiple layers of history built into the setting. It’s not like Wendigos and everything surrounding them suddenly became a thing within the last few years. The wendigos being a mystical force has been in the mountain for centuries. The mining excavation only happened a few decades ago, with the following decade bringing the sanatorium to experiment on the wendigo miners. And the vacation lodge itself has only been built within the last decade or so. It gives the setting a very organic and realistic feeling that makes you really want delve deep into its mysteries and figure out the chronological timeline of events.
The Quarry on the other hand literally has everything that matters happen within the last 6 years, including the circus wolf boy event that no one else has ever heard of besides the Hackett family. It removes a lot of the mystic and intrigue from the setting and makes most of the information you can find about it feel artificial and meaningless.
Let’s not forget they made a entire other game just to explain who the first wendigo was who chased the girls at the beginning
perfectly encapsulates how i feel about the storytelling and lore 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 until dawn really was like catching lighting in a bottle and i fear supermassive don’t understand this fundamental core point to be able to replicate it in the games that succeed it
right off the bat i can imagine stirring up ideas about the impact of blowing quarry on the environment around them. the wealth, luxury, and old money born of probable mistreatment/abuse of workers throughout history to gain it. a werewolf fits beautifully in with that as the environment's local wildlife and fauna don't just suffer, but the people/werewolves too, since we're all apart of the same world, though people try to dominate and control nature.
a lot of good shit to work with that's not even considered. and i JUST thought this up
i think supermassive's biggest mistake was bringing laura back. max being present as the werewolf on the island is one thing because he doesn't affect the actual plot other than briefly as an enemy, but the minute laura becomes a playable character past the prologue, most of the characters lose any importance in the story. it felt like ryan and kaitlyn were set up in the beginning to be the main protagonists the way that sam and mike are the 'main characters' of until dawn. but laura has a gun so she can fight, which negates kaitlyn's main thing we are shown she's particularly good at. laura also knows what's going on with the hacketts (mostly) which negates ryan's role as the detective as after that it doesn't feel like there is any drive for him (or anyone tbh) to be figuring out the mystery anymore.
ryan's character in particular gets nuked when laura comes back because he basically just becomes her sidekick and any arcs he had with other characters (mainly kaitlyn and dylan) get dropped. part of why the latter half of the game feels so rushed and unsatisfying to me.
i think maybe she could have been hidden away or imprisoned somewhere in the hackett house based on player choices in the prologue, and you could unlock her as a playable character if you spent some time searching around and rescued her?? but having her just appear randomly halfway through with an eyepatch and a shotgun felt like a bit of a deus ex machina lol.
It’s the biggest bit of pacing whiplash too, she shows up then the entire game pauses for her extremely long backstory chapter
@@RatatTalks yeah definitely agree, i really dont think anything we learn in laura's backstory sections couldn't have been as easily shown in scenes with the main group. i actually forgot those bits even existed until i watched this vid which shows how interesting i found them lmao :')
Maybe smarter minds could figure it out but I see no way to make a long playable flashback work with a choice based game like this. None of the choices leading to that part can matter because it’s in the past so the parts we’ve already played (the future of the flashback) can’t affect the past and all the choices during the flashback can’t affect the future because we’ve already seen how the future plays out.
When my 3 friends and I played, we did pass and play mode where each of us picked 4 characters to play. I picked Laura…and oh my gosh, I was flabbergasted by just how long it was ONLY me playing because of that stupid flashback.
I remember when the first hour of gameplay was revealed before the game came out. I saw it and was so hyped and also assumed, "Oh, these 2 random characters with minor ties to the main cast are gonna be the Hannah and Beth of the game. You play as them briefly in the intro to kick off the beginning horror movie kill/hook, and then we only see them later as either dead or the monster. It would have worked as well because of the fact that it would have added to the mystery of why counselors were gone and directly correlated to their impact in the game WITHOUT taking away from the main cast. What horror movie with similar tropes has the beginning kill or mystery disappearance return to the story AND be a badass AND become practically the main character of the story? It was bound to hinder the other characters.
I'm pretty sure Nick is not supposed to be a predator or an asshole, and that the writers want us to blame his later behaviour on the transformation and that not being him really, I think they just wanted to shock us by slowly transforming an innocent introverted boy into this creepy dude who says the girl he likes is easy, but this contradicts the way the other characters act during their own transformations, so IMO its probably just bad and inconsistent writing and thats not actually how we're supposed to see Nick's character
Yeah, I did try not to force my opinion here because like I said, Nick wasn't aware of what was happening, and almost everything about his and Abbys arc doesn't feel intentional. Nick could easily just be a random dude who got a bit too evil off the wolf juice.
Yeah. I'm pretty sure he head canonned this dynamic into Nick because he finds it more interesting
@@MichaelJohnson-vu3bt I mean I wouldn't say "head-cannon" as much as "it's the only option the game gives you that would follow the rules of the game". Like they want to make Nick this shocking transformation because he is the first, so he acts out of character, but that wouldnt really work for the script if the other characters did that, so they just become slightly more violent for a few seconds. The only explanation that would make sense with this is if Nick is a manipulative piece of shit
Just a thought but during the flashback with Max and Laura in prison, while Max is ready to transform in front of the handcuffed Laura, you have a choice on her to be empathetic to him or to be clinical and straight up start asking him medical questions. If you choose the clinical approach Max will lash out at Laura calling her a b*tch. So I think it also depends on the way others treat or talk to the "ready-to-turn" infected person. Like if their words are triggering for the person and the "soon to be" transformation enhances their violent reaction.
@@maiyairis1809 If Emma is infected with Abi in the basement, Emma will be a total bitch to Abi, despite being generally kind and neutral towards her.
The supermassive shadow that was left by until dawn will never leave them
Until Dawn to SMG is like what the "Thriller" Album is to Michael Jackson, sure he made great Albums before and after Thriller, but Thriller was impossible to top, that is UD to SMG
@@Radioface7779 i think mj wasnt the best example lol
@@mrl2126especially considering Off the Wall and Bad are both often regarded as just as good or even better than Thriller lol
@@gsmith1961 all 3 are 10/10 Albums, I'm referring to Sales, Thriller is by a distance the greatest selling Album in music
I see what you did there.
Oh right, I'd completely forgotten how pissed off I was when I found out that Nick would turn into a werwolf, no matter what you do. In a game where all your decisions have consequences, they just take that one out of your hands. Also I was pissed that in the finale a character can die if they hide in the freezer. Its not like the house blew up like in Until Dawn. Their friends know they're in there so why dont they come get him out after the danger is gone? That just felt like lazy writing to me...
Pretty sure the freezer death only happens if Kaitlyn (the person who knows he's in the freezer) dies
@@ethanlivemere1162 fair enough but that's a place you would look for if your buddy is missing and he was last seen in the kitchen, especially if you knew there was a big fuck-off walk in freezer in there, isn't it?
if you lock the werewolf(Caleb) in the freezer they also die, at least if you end the curse
wait i think there was a small part in the game were it sorta warned you against it? (in a way) i cant remember if it was a tarot or dialogue, i think it was dialogue but a character was talking about the freezer and warned against it in a way, i played the quarry a while ago so i cant remember exactly what was said but it was clear enough to kinda let me, the player, know that going in there was not a good idea
@@maddieshmadi9756pretty sure you mean jacob in chap 1, he says “wouldnt wanna get stuck in there” or something like that if you look at the freezer
I think part of the problem with The Quarry was the video game necessity of having to have scenarios where characters can die early, but then the rest of the story can still play out. It's one of the reasons why Abi feels like she has nothing to do for the entire back half of the game, because I think the devs expect players to let her die early. It's the reason why Laura comes in and becomes such a main character halfway through, so that the story can continue if you've killed off the other characters. I think if Supermassive wants to make a better game going forward, they need to have stronger story branches where a scene can play out multiple ways depending on which characters are alive, rather than just cutting scenes if the character is dead, and have longer term consequences, so that you can still have actions that have serious consequences, but don't completely remove a character from the story right away.
This is such a fantastic point, you're absolutely right. Thank you for putting it into words. I really wish SMG would just write a beautiful story and beautiful characters and then NOT fuck it all up by trying to make everything possible at all times. "Pick one thing and stick with it, yeah?" or whatever Ratat said in his Little Hope video... They could write how meaningful characters' possible deaths are to all the others, into this one story, having everything stay connected so you still have the whole game feeling contiguous and not really slow one moment and really quick the next moment (also something he mentioned in the Little Hope video)... I absolutely love The Quarry because I love the characters, because of the way they are played, I got so attached to them, that part is wonderful, but man, the game itself is really just not very good...
So kinda like in Detroit Become Human?
You weren't kidding when you said this game is too dark, I could barely see anything in this video
Yep, I have no clue why they did this
Even with lights on i could see everything clearly
It's one problem I had in general with the Anthology (Little Hope being the breadwinner here) as well.
Like we could only play the games semi-well on an really *older* flat tv. Newer were worse and my best friends hubby has a *real black is black* tv which.. you could see even less when in this video! No joke
Are you sped 😂 lil bro doesn’t know you can change the brightness settings
@@Schinzo__ finally someone who now how to use settings
Supermassive urgently needs a better team of writers. The current ones keep throwing in stupid events that impact the story in nonsensical ways. Like when the dude reaches for the cable and somehow gets his hand bitten off camera. Some choices feel like "you like cheesecake or chocolate cake? Chocolate? Wrong, your character is now dead because if you choose that, a werewolf mauls him to death, don't ask how it relates"
it’s the cage puzzle that gets to me the most. we are given no indication of how to complete it, no ability to check the door numbers, and if you get it wrong then it’s instant death for jacob. it’s obvious that they had no idea what else to do with him after that point in the story, so just decide to raise the stakes by making his death nearly certain.
@@blue-sq7tj It's a consistent weakness in supermassive writing.
As soon as a character can die, they basically stop being relevant. As another commenter pointed out, Laura being brought in in chapter 7 is probably exactly because this time, they made many characters killable super early.
And I think Jacob was supposed to be the guy everyone will hate because he did the fuck up in the beginning (hence his complete irrelevance to most of the story and his multiple gruesome kills) while everyone was supposed to like Ryan... when now, it feels like people feel sorry for Jacob and can't stand Ryan.
I think they need a writing team in general. A cursory glance at the writers of each game reveals that the only consistently re-occurring writer working on Supermassive projects is Graham Reznick
Heck, maybe they should try to have only ONE writer for each project, at least for their shorter Anthology episodes, considering the one game most people like, House of Ashes, is literally the only thing Supermassive has put out with just one credited writer.
The best thing about the Quarry is that one Dylan time loop fanfic on ao3 (take me back and back again by MothWhoCriedWolf), genuinely one of the best fics I've read on the site that goes out of its way to not only make the original plot make sense but also deepens it. Creative works like it are the reason I love flawed media.
Edit/Update: Apparently the author of the fic I mentioned passed away recently, I only learned about it after going through the comments on the latest chapter. Rest in Peace, Moth. :(
Shitty media being saved by random unpaid people on the internet is always fun
The ao3 curse. RIP, Moth
thank you for the recommendation and for keeping their memory alive
Re: Nick being a counselor, I work at a summer camp and I would say the majority, or at least half, of our staff is international, from over a dozen different countries. Camps have contracts with many agencies around the world to pull teens/young adults for summer camp and it would be great experience on a resume for them while still being a fun job.
Thanks for the perspective, here in the south of England we only really have scout camps which are pretty local as far as I know, I don’t remember anyone in attendance not being English
@@RatatTalks it might also be that the camps I attended as a kid and the one I work at now are unique, I lived in a port city so we had a lot of international visitors and workers and now I work at a niche type of camp that draws from everywhere. But I think if it’s a bigger camp they have to draw from a bigger pool! Especially for support staff. I think our entire dining hall is staff from Mexico, Hungary, and New Zealand lol.
specifically as an australian who has been to many summer camps its the same here! lots of international folks staffing the camps, plus i've seen quite a few of those agencies m'self
Maybe in their next game, they should have only one player. Have a monster be like the Thing (from The Thing) and that the playable character is them trying to navigate a cast of characters along WITH the monster.
I really think they should let the players play as the killer/monster, even if only for a prologue. As I said I think a smaller cast with more focus on what the core theme of the game is would be better. In dbd I’d like to see four characters being playable and a killer
It could be fun to play as the killer, having interactions with the entity and having to stay true to any kind of warped morality you have whilst still needing to harvest souls.
But honestly anything with a more unique concept would work for me.
So basically,Still Wakes the Deep?
i think also a small cast of a family could work, like parents and two kids or something and they have to try and survive together
That's a great idea. Imagine if the character that's the monster is randomly selected each time you play and you can find out who it is through various method! It would be sick, but probably too hard to implement, especially for Supermassive games
You're not gomna believe this, look at the teaster for the next dark pictures game
16:45 a huge reason for this was explained in the cast play through. The actors were alone for almost all of their time on set. Very few scenes with multiple people *actually* had them acting together. Justice talks about this the most. They would just sit in front of a monitor and read their lines which can explain some of the awkward dialogue delivery.
the reason kaitlyn is called the final girl isn't because she gives off the energy, like ppl mistake, it's just because she can't die until either in the scrapyard w/o dylan or the final showdown in the lodge with her. those are the only two times she can die which is chapter 9 and 10 (10 being the last chapter)
That's fair, like I say I don't massively disagree with it, I just think any of the girls could have this feature/trait. I wish they'd given us more to do with Kaitlyn overall, so anything that feels like fluff with her annoys me as I'd liked to have seen them spend more time developing her.
Than why doesn't Sam( and Mike) get the same treatment since those 2 cant die til the very end of the game
@@Lvl1.Sentry cuz theres an achievement for every sole survivor i believe… u cant rlly compare two different games pal. the system of achievements are different.
Abigail feels more like a final girl then Kaitlyn honestly
@@jasonfakename4851 Abigail might be the least to be the final girl honestly, I mean Laura has this whole character arc with the Hacket family where she's the one to have a showdown with silas. Kaitlyn is literally the orginal character at the beginning that was advertised as the final girl with her skill in being a leader much like sam. And hell even Emma who has a very interesting story arc being this playful but subtle mean faced girl had more compliance being the final girl. Abi felt useless throughout the entire game because they just didn't build any of her character arc and scenes after her showdown with Nick. but you are entitled to your opinion.
Zach (Jacob), Dylan (Miles), and Kaitlyn (Brenda) are my standouts too. I enjoyed their performances. I've been saying they need to do a "slasher" akin to Scream or Cabin in the Woods with a tighter-knit cast with branching pathways for characters. I would love for actors from the Quarry like Zach, to be in said game.
Tropes upon tropes!
"your final girl can die"
"douchey jock is a douche but has a heart"
"your blonde bombshell can live"
"red herring is the hero/heroine"
For years I've wanted a scooby doo game done in the same way Until Dawn was set up.
The scooby doo game idea is amazing I’d also love that
So kind of like alone in the dark mixed with until dawn that'd be cool
I need a Scooby doo game like this
The pacing gets absolutely butchered by laura. They kick the action into motion only to then toss us into a super long flashback that reiterates werewolf mechanics weve already learned
She ruined the pacing and like half of the characters arcs, impressive honestly
@@RatatTalksfor real they killed Ryan’s character as soon as Laura knocked on the pool house door
It felt like having her pop up as basically Buffy ruined the tension.
they should have made laura more like the stranger in until dawn.
@@ChandlerWithaZ honestly yea, because the 3 big issues with her is
A) theres no mystery about her, she shows back up and immediately explains it all- its been like a month so couldve said they were given different clothes and made her hair messier or something to make her look like another hacket at first glance
B) her flashback takes way too much time to basically just relay all the werewolf rules everybody knows and takes you out of the tension of the game. We’d miss out on the cop guy’s character but still better than grinding the game to a hault
C) if she wasnt framed as the main character the game wouldnt have to try and make it seem like her default solution being “trust me I know murdering these people will fix it” is reasonable
TBH, Dylan as his quirky character is the only reason I kept playing this game.
The following are confirmed list of deleted scenes but already has full voice dialoguesa
Good premise, but it was revealed that Zach Tinker, the Jock guy revealed that there are so many deleted scenes.
1. Jacob and Emma when scouting for supplies, there was actually intended longer lockpicking route multiple times. The indoor of the merch ship where both of them hunt for supplies looked like a maze because there was actually a creature inside and they have to sneak their way in with longer convo. Zach Tinker (voice actor of Jacob) showed manuscript on his TWITCH channel revealing all recorded voice lines
2. Abigail and Nick have longer conversations and interaction when walking through rocky road stuff which explains the disparity and sudden cut of dialogues as well as sunset in the background
3. Dylan has more exposure in the radio shack that was cut off and removed. When abigail visits the radio shack for the first time, dialogues and scenes of dylan were deleted.
4. There is longer chase scene in Jacob and Emma similar when being chased, it also included that they swim and used some sort of climbing but it was deleted.
5. Dylan's voice actor was dissapointed when half of his dialogues are cut on one scene where Dylan is teasing Kaitlyn with another HACKA HACKA QUARRY. Players would not catch the joke since it was cut but there was a glitch that if you pause the scene and play and do it back and forth a glitch will reveal the whole dialogues but no screen actors playing.
6. As Dylan went down the ladder he has more dialogues and intended to look around. however it will spoil the future scene of Emma and Abigail
If you are wondering why voice assets are there. The Quarry intended to aim at a specific deadline that was released post-pandemic and they decided to cut the scenes yet left the audio files running.
Its not about the budget, compared to other SUPERMASSIVE games, this game is short compared to other ones but i believe they tended to release it on said rushed date
I still don't get why Ryan, the unlikable dumb vacuum of charisma who obviously was an author self-insert for "the weird loner dude who totally is facts don't care about your feelings (despite seeing werewolf attacks twice, and seeing the Nick transformation firsthand) gets all the girls", hence why everyone was so attracted to him for zero reason was the main male protagonist instead of Dylan, the funny quirky likable guy who became an Ash expy when he got his fucking hand mauled and cut/shot off.
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LMAO, i AGREE WITH YOU! Well Dylan's character is actually perfect to be as a side character because he leverages and almost do anything. If he became the protagonist, he might become the "MARY SUE" of the story who can do everything with little to no vulnerability.
RYAN's character is common on video games and anime niche series where the protagonist is the literal blank slate of the century and have little to no development but will have a character change such as like RYAN killing the wolf but it takes you more than 5 episode to see development.
The developers of the game had the intention of creating a story where the characters are also generic such as the characters in SCOOBY DOO, there is a loud jock, a slut sexist feminine, a frail character, the silent one but charming, the Joker that everybody loves, the nerd one that nobody likes and the literal boring background character.
None of the cast are practically seen on real life as each one have their clique or specific group of friends that has interest or same hobby with same goal which is why it is true to fiction to find these bunch of characters who are friends like lego block like look at the combination of the group lmao.
Kinda sad that with the amazing cast of characters is just come short due to the pandemic and budget for the video game
@@youtube-kit9450 I think the only reason me and my friend liked Ryan as much as we did during our play through was because we just decided that him and Dylan had to get together. I didn’t realize how much Ryan’s character was being carried by Dylan until the later chapters when him and Laura started traveling together.
I think Emma's ambiguous internet fame is just a consequence of the writers having a bit of an outdated sense of what a hip twenty-something looks like. Like, she's obviously supposed to be some sort of "social media influencer," but they only have a vague impression of what an influencer actually does, so they default to her doing the sort of train-of-thought vlogging content you might see people do in the early 2000s instead.
Very how do you do fellow kids
Ah yes, the age of daily random stupid vlogs by vapid people that for some reason got oodles of views as if the viewers couldn't just live life themselves.
I honestly am surprised that this vlogging stuff didn't absolutely spike again since there, you'd actually have a semi-valid reason to feel isolated and alone and in need of parasocial relationships to live through them as a teenager.
@@youtube-kit9450 I mean, most vloggers had a specific lifestyle (real or not) that their viewers wanted to emulate. The perfect family, a life of luxury, living off the land, most successful vloggers created videos you could live that lifestyle through
@@youtube-kit9450 i mean, there were a lot of those vlogs in 2020/2021 where people, usually faceless teens/20 year olds just recorded their day, but they were less popular than 2000s blogs and more polished, less just uncut car/bedroom selfiecording/ranting, more "aesthetic" clips spliced together with filters on top.
like i watched my fair share of those in 2021 when i was a sad homeschooled tween/teen who's parent's didn't really want him to leave the house to talk to people and infect his grandparents with covid
One scene i will ALWAYS come back to in the Quarry is the Scrapyard scene with Dylan and Kaitlyn. It just gives me major Until Dawn vibes in the best way possible. Mainly just the suspense and the fact you can get Dylan and Kaitlyn killed if you’re not careful with the QTE’s. I’m sad that the scrapyard scene felt so short. As it really is the best part of the game, in my opinion of course.
It’s a great setpiece, this and Emma’s escape from the island are the best gameplay segments.
The scrapyard scene was my favorite too. The motion lights coming on and the following music cue was cool as hell
I think I found Laura and Max interesting in one aspect because they are the rare playable characters from the prologue in the Supermassive games to be alive later and not die when they are introduced and be kept alive that I've seen.
^This.
I got sick of that trope real quick; until dawn and man of medan were cool. House of ashes was the last time it worked for me though 😂
Little hope and the other one I don’t really remember as well, I played them after the other three since a friend wanted me to try out SMG but wanted me to experience the best stuff
I think the only other character to survive a prologue chapter is (spoilers)
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the main dude in little hope
@@Faintwolfdid all the dark pictures do that?
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@@ChandlerWithaZ and then the quarry
I am a self admitted Quarry enjoyer/apologist, that being said it does have major problems. It almost feels like they told 3 employees to sit and write their own storyline for a cool werewolf game and then picked cherry picked the best bits from each of them but none of the bits fit together in a cohesive way. I think they should have went all in on the Max/Laura storyline. Same opening, then flash forward to them in the jail and having to escape then if/when they do so they have to go after the family and save max. Even if you're only able to play back and forth between the couple it would have felt so much more compelling as a story.
I agree so much, I think they’ve bogged themselves down with the ensamble cast where a more focussed narrative would’ve done wonders for this game
I wish Max could've interacted with atleast one of the main groups
@@RatatTalks I'm honestly surprised they bungled this part so hard when they knew what to do in until dawn.
From 10 people, they got rid of two immediately (Hannah/Beth), one's unplayable (Josh) and another one is basically an easter egg to play as if you manage to save them (Jess) and took Matt out of the story rather early, clearly focussing on the rest of the cast (Mike, Sam, Chris, Ashley, Emily), which is btw half the entire cast left.
It also helps that Mike and Sam were the clear main characters and Chris' and Ashley's arcs mostly revolve around each other. Chris and Ashley also have the issue that they basically stop being relevant after their possible deaths, but because you have two main characters who don't get usurped mid-game, it stays engaging.
I usually put on video essays to have interesting background noise while I work. But this was so well written, well argued and narrated that I spent the entire hour completely engrossed in listening. All the points are precisely thought out. I don't agree with some, but each idea is expertly backed up with direct example and real world parallel. More than enough to say, "It's not what I think, but I see where you're coming from and respect it," or even change my mind entirely. That's the mark of damn good writing!
If you like content like this, I'd also recommend Tehsnakerer and PatricianTV. Both do longform video essays on games, with Tehsnakerer specializing with jank, and are pretty well written.
I agree! I heavily disagree with the ranking but he made good arguments throughout the video.
Sounds and Feels like Ryans character (and arc) were assassinated because he was getting in the way of the Final Girl(tm) and pushing her out of the spot light
Dylan is easily my favorite character, even over some characters in until Dawn. His personality is consistent and relatable. I went to summer camp as a kid for years and you really do feel / act like a different person when you’re there. I also love his awkwardness, at first it’s a little off putting but it grows on you
Abi got the TellTale treatment. If a character can die, but survives - they're banished to the background so they can't do anything important the writers would have to account for later
For sure, Supermassive are guilty of this across the board, but nowhere is it worse than walking dead season 2 lol
I feel like man of median did handled characters dying better I been even what's her face there is one girl in the devil in me who can die pretty early on but her character is still part of the plot I mean heck one big choice can't happen without her lol
"Allison Argent, if you know you know" jumpscared by the reminder of my Teen Wolf days I do NOT need to go back there
It’s such an iconic piece of trashy media
nobody wants to go back there, bestie. haha.
I had flashbacks😂
why does UA-cam have Tiktok blue comments now 😂😂😂
TAKE ME BACK
One thing I want to mention is that most if not all Supermassive games, you can just go the whole game without figuring out what's going on.
1. In Until Dawn, you can go the whole game without figuring out that Hannah is one of the cannibals.
2. In Man of Medan, you can go through whole game without figuring out that none of what you're seeing is real and the ship isn't haunted.
3. In Little Hope, you can go the whole game without figuring out that the fire was an accident and Megan never had malicious intentions.
4. In House of Ashes, you can go the whole game without figuring out that the vampires are an alien race that used to be peaceful, and were then ruined by the parasites.
5. In The Devil in Me, you can go the whole game without figuring out who or what Du'Met even is.
But with the Quarry, the game will try as hard as possible to deliver everything to you without effort. All of the things I listed above are acquired through the clues you find throughout each game, but in the Quarry, there isn't ever any extra dialogue aside from the immediate speech you get when interacting with them, and they're never mentioned again. Like you said, the only collectible in the game that matters is the Hierophant (and debatably, the evidence).
Sure, you need to keep all the characters alive to get the whole story, but I think (one of) my main gripes with the Quarry is the fact you never feel rewarded for getting the collectibles. I recently did a playthrough of Until Dawn where I got all of the clues, and it helped me figure out some stuff I never knew about the game. Hell, Man of Medan, my least favorite game Supermassive has ever made, at least has a bunch of dialogue for getting the game's various secrets. And even then, getting House of Ashes' collectibles helps you realize what's actually going on, even if there's not much extra dialogue.
I think I just like being rewarded for finding secrets in games.
Yeah that's true. Like at one point Laura straight up said "Chris Hacket is a werewolf" like she directly gave away what would've been a pretty big reveal if I had put it together myself
I think Ryan was really poorly cast and/or directed. They went for someone super aloof without much charisma, but he had all the super emotional scenes you mentioned, and half the counselors are supposed to be head over heels for him?? I don’t get Ryan, and I fully agree with his placement in your ranking.
Justice Smith can be a pretty good actor from other stuff I've seen him in, although the monotone does seem to be a feature of his style, so I think most of the issue lies with the direction and writing here.
Personally, I really liked Ryan. Only after finishing the game I realized I actually relate to him a lot. He seems to have a lot of family issues and made him rely on himself only and he is reluctant to even consider dating. He is that one character that touches reality and always acts like a normal human being would. He shows empathy but is also smart and can pick up on the details relatively easily and corrects people when they are in the wrong and funny dialogues come out of it. He decides to keep what's not crucial to others to himself. It feels like in his social life, he takes a safe step back, remains sarcastic. I feel like I do it too, especially with people I don't know entirely. He may not be a good fit for a horror movie, where you want the characters with raw emotions and crazy touching stories so that when they die you feel something deep down your heart, but he very much is realistically written and I think Justice tops it off with a very uncertain and reserved voice and it all just makes sense, it clicks
nick's actor confirmed on insta that the infection alters your worst traits to be something they're not, so nick being a creep to abi is likely the infection making it so that his crush on her becomes something disturbing and offputting- also compared with the fact he was full on MAULED in the woods and had a huge bite taken out of his thigh, which has important arteries, the infection made it to his brain *much* faster and probably hit him a lot harder. he would have died if the infection didn't prevent that from happening, so nick is incredibly out of it- that, plus the fact he doesn't even know what's going on, made him about a hundred times more susceptible to the virus
Important note about Emma's social media content, there are a lot of small-time UA-camrs who make this sort of content- they're usually titled something including the word storytime, and it's pretty much exactly what Emma does lol. I used to watch somebody all the time who talked about interpersonal drama within her friend group and local community. I think teenagers are prone to watching this kind of content because it feels like you're having a relatable conversation with a friend.
Does that stuff still exist? This vlogging/storytime stuff I thought was early youtube. Didn't know it *still* goes on.
@@youtube-kit9450 all of the people who I knew did this have moved on to different content forms, but I'm not totally sure that it's a dead genre- I think it's kind of just moved to short form content. Isn't it kind of what a lot of tiktok kids do?
I just wanted to mention that there are at least two instances of a character with albinism in media who are not evil or villainous, both from Aardman movies funnily enough.
Albino Pirate from The Pirates (in an Adventure with Scientists), who is a rather jovial young lad with a fascination with exotic diseases.
and Whitey from Flushed Away who is a rat with albinism who, despite being a henchman for the movie's main antagonist, is very sympathetic and rather dim-witted but has his heart in the right place.
I loved both these movies growing up but never made that connection. Common Aardman W.
Dylan is my favorite for sure, very funny, his terror feels the most genuine, and he does a lot to try to help the situation
The "he(a)rd of bears" bit with him and Ryan made me actually bust up laughing, that whole scene is great, going from funny, to creepy, to intense, to horrifying, it might be the best scene in the game
That scene was also entirely improvised which makes it even better imo
“Yes, I’ve heard of bears”😂
Same. He really made the game for me.
I enjoyed his humor. I also like how for some they're easy to dismiss him as this goofball unserious character, when he's imo the most protective and compassionate. Him and Kaitlyn were real showstoppers for me
Even when transforming, Dylan puts others before himself, and there's several instances where he'll throw himself into danger to save someone. One of my favorite scenes is if Dylan got infected, and him and Kaitlyn run into werewolf Emma by the car (I think is the scene), Dylan will put himself in front of Kaitlyn to protect her. Upon realizing Emma isn't attacking him he stays in the way so Kaitlyn can escape. I think he's the only character to be like this consistently in any situation.
It also showed to me the game's potential. I wish it got... MORE somehow. Or just approached things a bit differently. Because I enjoyed the idea behind how the transformations worked, affecting personality and it being different depending on the person or what not. I have more to say, but I'm not really sure how to articulate it. But basically I enjoyed the game well enough, it had its problems and could've been executed way better but I did have fun still and liked a lot about it. And Dylan was a huge chunk of that enjoyment of it. A great character. Miles nailed it.
Dylan was by far the best part of this game for me
I have to be the only one who didn't find that joke funny lmao 😂
The Quarry is, certainly, a game that can be played on gaming console.
Containing features like controller support and graphics, featuring a cast and a plot, will forever be remembered as one of the releases of 2022.
Truly one of the games of all time
Take Nick out, and give Abby a new plot about how Emma is pulling away from her because she's so fixated on her boyfriend and her summer fling.
Or, hell, move the love triangle here lol. Have Abby have a secret crush she's been nursing for Emma for who-knows-how-long, but Emma's boy-crazy and a flirt and Abby has convinced herself it doesn't matter and that she's content to just follow in Emma's shadow anyway. I guess they could let Emma and Abby express feelings for each other, but if we're wanting to keep some of Abby's "shy girl has been strong all along, but gets out of a toxic situation," her big "character moment" could be recognizing that Emma has likely suspected all along that Abby likes her, and has kept her around without committing because it makes her feel wanted. Then let Abby break free.
You could do a LOT with that. If Jacob turns into a werewolf, does Abby think of him as a competitor and shoot him? Does she see him as another victim? If Emma turns into a werewolf after Abby has had her realization, does she have compassion, and does she think that compassion is a weakness, or a sign of her healing? Does Emma kill her when she lowers her gun, echoing some of the themes discussed in the video?
The more I type, the more I think this would have been better lol
@@avryantoinette OBSESSED with this. It would have made so much more sense and would have made for much tighter storytelling
@@avryantoinetteDamn. This is an incredible idea, love it!
The reason I personally love Until Dawn is the level of restraint that the trailers had when it was first announced, focusing on the mask-donning psychokiller hunting the group at the resort. This diverted any and all expectation for the more horrific & nerve wrecking reveal of the game's true antagonist(s), which worked so well because the payoff excelled seamlessly with what the team had envisioned. And that's how you know it's good when the first half of the game lets you connect the tropes from other iconic movies, and then transforms the last segment into a The Decent scenario which had me more on edge my first & second playthrough, a year separating both times I basked in the perfect interactive horror game Until Dawn. But The Quarry introduces us to the Werewolves & Hackett family almost instantly within the first two-three hours without any grand reveal, I mean the reveal with the werewolf on the island didn't grasp what it intended to do was because Emma was being a insufferable influencer right before the event transpired.
I did very much like the game, and I feel like it shines when it comes to the decision trees, but I do agree that the characters grated on my nerves--Like I genuinely wanted to wring the neck of a good few of them **coughRyancough** whenever they opened their mouth. Like they're INSUFFERABLE to listen to, good lord.
I subscribe to the thought of anyone who was infected were showing the darkest parts of themselves right before they turned, which gave them a bit of flavor that I appreciated. Nick seems to have a lot of suppressed emotions and thoughts that are very unhealthy, Emma taunts and mocks her 'audience' and is egocentric, Jacob is very insecure and panicky, and Dylan is pushing people away through his demeanor (even though it's for a good cause at the time). Ryan and Kaitlyn were never far enough in their infectious state for that part to come out, Max was a tad aggressive to Laura if you pick a certain dialogue option while in jail (but who can blame him?), and Laura was probs the only one I saw trying to actively keep herself together through her symptoms.
Maybe that's just me looking too deep into things, but I thought it was a cool touch.
To be fair, this was the same with Until Dawn, except for Sam and maybe Matt since they had next to zero personality to speak of. The rest of the characters were genuinely insufferable, even Chris in certain circumstances, and I don't believe the game gave them the character development to undo those character flaws. But... that's a lot of the point of horror movies, which these are obviously based off of. I found The Quarry's actual story far more compelling and interesting than Until Dawn, and I love Until Dawn.
@sarkaztik3228 Oh no, I completely agree, the characters were awfully lacking in Until Dawn too, as much as I liked it. But to their point, at least their characters can change and shift. The Quarry's were a lot more static, and it was infuriating.
I think it was in Dartigan's video, but i heard somewhere that because this game leans so heavily on referencing early slasher movies and making attempts to pay homage, they did what those movies did by making the cast unlikeable, that way their deaths are more cathartic and fun to watch for the audience. However, it doesn't work for a game because it feels like a failure, killing the characters you're playing as.
@@symoniarose2820I personally enjoy how complex the characters in Until Dawn were. I just fininished Ratata's Until Dawn video and loved to listen to their in-depth character analysis for each of them. Looking at them beyond surface level was really fun and what I understand to be good character building.
In the Quarry however, they don't really let their personalities breathe, and instead have the characters directly tell us what's going on in their head (i.e. Emma talking to her viewers, Dylan and Ryan talking about what they do outside of camp while they're literally being hunted).
In The Quarry it feels out of place and almost stilted. You can make a case that Until Dawn did the same thing with Jessica, where she can talk about her lack of confidence, but when she did that it told us something about her character while she was speaking to the guy she loved. It was a soft moment between a couple that made sense.
I'm sorry for ranting I've finally found my people
You'd think they'd allow Ryan to interact with or at least have flashbacks with the werewolf children. They are supposed to know eachother after all.
That way, the player might actually feel something when they die...
It's sad that you can't even save the girl.
Yeah Ryan was robbed of having a character in so many ways, that would be a neat addition
I havent finished the video but what made until dawn an instant classic was it was simple. It felt like many diverging plotlines but it all came together.
While the quarry got so many plotlines, they never converge into one coherent story. Not only the plotlines, but the themes, theres too much of it. Maybe it wouldve made more sense if supermassive tried that resident 6 where the characters joined together in one climactic scene it wouldve been more...idk funner i guess?
That’s basically my entire point so I’m glad you agree hahaha
Oh God, you're so right about Ryan. My hackles were up when he was right after Nick because I remember wading through so many opinions of people who disliked him in the first half of the game, who found how lowkey he could be in his mannerisms (that's probably not the best way to describe it but it's been a While since I watched this game) to be a massive flaw. But you made your point well describing what he had to offer in the first half and showing how the second half really undermined what they set up for him. I think I shifted my focus to Laura and Travis because they had the most to offer in the second half and didn't bother to draw a conclusion about Ryan as a character. The turn he took is disappointing, come to think of it.
When my friend and I first played this game, we noticed something that nobody else seems to be talking about - when using the binoculars at the lake scene, you can see an Alamo watermark, which is probably where the developers got that ‘binoculars screen effect’ decal. It was so hilarious that it killed any dramatic tension throughout the whole scene lol.
The biggest issue with the game for me is the lack of the relationship and character trait meters from Until Dawn. In UD even minor dialogue options mattered because they effected the status bars and allowed you to define who you want the characters to be. With it's absence in The Quarry, it makes character relationships way harder to understand and makes the whole choice system feel way less deep
This is also strange as dark pictures allowed characters relationships to determine dialogue in scenes, so it’s another case of missing a feature that had existed and been good previously.
All the playthroughs I watched and I still had no idea anyone besides Nick and Dylan could become werewolves
Isn't Max a required Werewolf in the story? Or perhaps that was just my playthroughs.
Some of them are kind of half-baked, both kaitlyn and abi can get infected but you don’t see them turn, same with Ryan. Jacob and Emma have pretty interesting werewolf scenes though.
isnt laura also a required werewolf?
I just think infections were really niche. In 90% of scenarios your character would flat out die if they lose a qte. but sometimes the werewolf just nibbles on you and infects you?
To clarify, I'm not counting the plot point werewolves, only player choice werewolves
as much as it kills the pacing, the laura flashback chapter is actually my favourite because it gives us more of the best character in the game: travis. i find his character sooo compelling and i love the ways his attitude and demeanour change depending on how laura interacts with him, and ted raimi's performance is just amazing. man i could write a wholeass essay on the character of travis hackett i just think he's neat
Loved this analysis! It's so true not every game needs to be 8 playable characters. And yes omg I really hate the unskippable tarot card sections where it is JUST the item description!! 😭 feels so lazy!
I always think about how in Until Dawn everyone seems really terrified, but in the Quarry no one has any reactions. Emma cracks all these jokes after being chased by a werewolf.
Most of all I hate the final scene with Laura, Ryan, Travis and Silas. The game makes out it is going to be this huge battle to kill Silas but it is a 2 minute segment, you just stand there and have to shoot Silas whilst he sits still (although there is a time limit) and it feels really anticlimactic
Hyped for next video whatever it is!
Remember that until dawn had 10 characters, but 2 get removed in the prologue (Hannah, Beth), 1 is basically unplayable (Josh), Jess is basically an easter egg considering how difficult it can be to save her, and Matt also gets written out super early.
So you're left with 5 characters, of which two (Chris/Ashley) mostly have the storyline revolve around each other, and then the main characters Sam and Mike, and Emily who's a middle ground since you can kill her early, but she also constantly stays somewhat relevant if you manage to keep her alive.
It also really helped until dawn that no one comes in in the middle to usurp the main protagonist position. Imagine the mess of a game if Beth suddenly came in in the middle and took over and told us everything about Hannah etc.
Okay so this is just a small little thing I wanted a mention and not really an issue, but you asked why an Aussie (Nick) would come all the way from Australia to be a camp counselor in the U.S.
This is a lot more common than you’d actually think. I went to a Summer camp for almost 8 years straight from the age of 9 to 16 years old.
At this camp there were counselors from all over. Most were actually from a different state, but every single year there was a large handful of international counselors.
I’ve had counselors from England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Canada, Australia, Mexico, and even Austria. There were a lot of international counselors because it was an easy way for them to get into the U.S., visit a country they’ve never been to, try new things, and it looks great on a resumé.
Hope that makes more sense. I’m not sure of the writers for The Quarry actually knew how common it was, but I think it makes a ton of sense from my own experience at Summer camps.
Thanks for the perspective, somebody else said something similar. In the UK most our equivalent summer camp things are pretty domestic so this seemed odd, but I guess the USA and Canada and places like that just have a bigger draw.
Dylan is also weirdly obsessed with cutting arms off. And it is the funniest thing ever.
When Nick comes back injured, Dylan’s first reaction is “we gotta cut his arm off, no other way”
And same again when his arm gets injured he’s like “RYAN HURRY UP AND CUT MY ARM OFF NOT LIKE I WAIT WAITING FOR AN EXCUSE TO CUT MY ARM OFF OR SOMETHING”
And the funniest thing about this is that it’s HELPFUL. Cutting Dylan’s arm off helps him. It stops the warewolf curse from affecting him. He’s even like “ha I knew my obsession with cutting arms off will help one day!” (Not in those exact words but still)
I respectfully disagree the “werewolves” looked terrible
I burst out laughing the first time I saw one fully😭🙏
@@tiziankempe4890 Discount wendigo
I looooved the "skin exploding" effect during their transformations, though.
They aren't even werewolves at this point. I'm pretty sure Laura has dialogue about smelling wet fur... What fur?!
@@yeti1835 Maybe it’s invisible fur?😂
Such a great balance in critiques and giving what’s due when it gets something right! I really enjoyed this breakdown. Thougj I find it hard not to believe Abby’s storyline with the abusive incel boyfriend was done on accident; especially when compared to Jacob’s storyline. Most likely it’s a leftover from troubled development, especially when it isn’t tied in at all to the main themes, and that’s why Nick and some parts might seem odd.
But oh my god I’m glad you talked about how much Ryan tanked I do not understand how they could have dropped the ball so hard. The only theory I have was that Laura’s storyline was so far in development that by the time she reenters the story there was just no time/assets to allow Ryan to be a character, since he’d clearly be so opposed to her opinions and storylines. But his character assassination is so bad it made me hate her, despite her amazing interactions with Travis I just couldn’t stand how Ryan’s character and the plot had to bend around her.
This all just reminded me how good The Quarry could have been, it feels like with more time or a stronger vision it could have really been something special.
My favorite ending is Max and Laura surviving and finding one another. That moment is so sweet and cute that it became my favorite ending.
Ngl I never new katlyn HAD a love interest ! Goes to show just how little her and Ryan talked in the game
Goes to show how much you don't pay attention. Literally like 5 lines in chapter 1 she tells Jacob she's into Ryan
@@scvrlett18 it's forgettable ig ? Mb bro
@@scvrlett18 there is more romantic chemistry between dylan and ryan than there is between ryan and kaitlyn. Why would we remember a line like that right out the gate when we know nothing about these characters yet and the story does zilch to show us that.
@ndartehkewl1282 the whole point is to learn about the characters especially in a choose your own adventure. In good media EVERY line is important
@@scvrlett18 yeah, in GOOD media. Unfortunately The Quarry is written for horny highschoolers. One of the major rules of good media is show not tell. Telling, when you’re never gonna remember what they said, and then not actually showing to reinforce the telling, is actually a sign of bad media.
Wow, I just finished the quarry for the first time and I loved it but man, you’re so right on all of the points! Especially Laura developing a conscious about shooting Silas at the end - I was like nooo, we’ve spent the whole game getting here. I have to shoot him. But the fact that was an option is so weird now you’ve pointed it out!
dude I just got back into the Quarry yesterday and was desperately searching for a decent analysis video, and here you come like an angel who has made the only good one on this entire goddamn site
Ryan’s my favorite character, so when seeing him ranked so low I got really upset at first. But when you started to list the reasons why I completely agreed with them!
And now I’m completely frustrated that they did Ryan so dirty!!! He deserved better in terms of character writing!! >~
Thanks for hearing me out. I don’t try to approach characters from a place of attacking them or attacking the writers, but rather wanting to understand what worked and what didn’t. I just wish Ryan had been better realised in the second half of the game.
until dawn had such extensive lore, its so crazy to me that the same studio made the character of silas. his story could've been so cool and tragic if they bothered to make him an actual character. but no he's just evil and that's it
I don't know if you plan to but I'd absolutely love it if you covered this entire Supermassive/Dark Anthology series, there have been some serious hits and misses. I've watched a lot of video essays on these games and you truly have a unique perspective, I feel like you're gonna blow up soon
I agree! I especially want to see him talk about Little Hope, that one left me feeling some type of way🙃
I think the problem Supermassive has is the fact that Until Dawn doesnt reveal the real threat until halfway into the game and it makes you think the real threat is a serial killer, sure you get bits and pieces of the Wendi's (not saying the full name for reasons) before they are revealed as the real threat, where as games like Man of Medan, and Little Hope, its under the guise of being a supernatural threat only for it to be either a halucination by death gas, or a bus driver having a psychotic break and everything was in his head the entire time. even with the Quarry, yes it has a real supernatural element to it, however they played the werewolf card way too early on in the game, there would have been so much more suspense if the developers made us think that the Hacketts were hunting the kids for sport, it would have been better for Nick to be attacked off screen and work up to the realization he had been bit by a werewolf, the only other game in the dark pictures anthology that has the perfect buildup is House of Ashes because in the beginning we are introduced to the threat without it being shown, we know its something supernatural, but we dont find out what the threat is until about halfway through the game, even the ending credits has what the quarry was missing, the survivors are being interogated and it makes you feel like your choices matter, where as in the quarry, it doesnt matter what you do, the counsellers will all be arrested unless you find enough proof to back up your story, and even then its not a special cutscene, its nothing, its just a "hey guy we have an update, they arent guilty" it just felt like a major slap in the face to make us go through all that effort, and for what?
house of ashes was amazing, the characters were well written the duo dynamic between soldiers was really good
I really appreciate how you pointed out how problematic it is to continuously portray Roma/Roma adjacent people and Albino people as evil or demented in some way.
You don’t get that kind of much needed nuance often!🔥🙏🏽
Thanks. I wish you the best of luck in defending yourself from the responses you're going to get to this if my experience with peoples takes on this are anything to go by..
hey just wandered over here from the algorithm, this was fantastic. really glad to see you properly analyse the writing of the game and its characters, rather than just recounting the plot and labelling it a video essay. your early contextual framework of briefing us on the issues at Supermassive was really helpful.
Thanks!
Ratat: “Caleb and Kaylee Hackett decide that keeping a child in a cage is WRONG-because it is”
Woahhhh stand back everyone he’s coming out with takes hotter than the Harum Scarum fire
Truly I give insights that nobody else has ever had
The piano iteration of Bang Bang during Emma’s part caught me so off guard but also sent me into orbit lmao
King you're killing it with these videos, your writing is phenomenal
The Quarry's biggest sin is that like all Supermassive games, most of your choices don't matter. The game can mostly play itself without touching the controller.
And it can! The game has a cinematic mode where you can turn it on and treat it like a movie
I kind of like how chaotic all the storylines are and some characters just being “basic”. Made it more realistic to me in terms of viewpoint. I felt like I wasn’t getting too much information and the confusion kept it interesting. I did want more from all of them though. And your Ryan main character idea was spot on, that would have been awesome.
A messy plot with lots of characters can be really good, but I just felt these storylines seemed to undercut each other a bit too much
I enjoy the vid and how you break down each character, most video essays usaully just focus on plot & themes or just the Main character. And I like seeing how people see the other characters instead of just brushing them off.
Also Super Appreciate you put the chapter timestamps in the description. Makes it way more accessible for mobile users!
they made it look like a dark anthologies game where we get to play with our friends as different characters, but made us pay a triple AAA price just to watch our friends play, when we could do that for free on discord.
TRUE! This game should have launched permanently on sale, full retail for it at release was absurd.
Putting the theme of (the cooler) Laura over this one was kinda genius.
I thought it was pretty smart too
You know, I have albinism, and I genuinely have never heard about the trope of albino characters being evil. Actually, it’s super rare for me to see albino characters at all in media. Why are they associated with evil, I wonder? How strange.
There’s a TVtropes page on it if you want a list of examples and a dissection of the trope
Appreciate the detail/overview's you go through in the beginning, watched this game only once when it came out and I've forgotten most parts of it.
I agree with most of your points, really just feels like three writers went in separate rooms, made their stories and someone else just meshed them together without much thought while cutting what would've made the original products great.
Your videos have been in my recommended tab for like a month, both this and the until dawn video, finally checked them out and loved them! Supermassive games always have a special place in my heart, until dawn is like the first horror game I actually remember enjoying the whole way through as a fan of narrative driven games, and although they're flawed, I can find at least one aspect/sequence/part that I loved from each of their games.
Excited to see what you cover next!
Thanks for the comment and glad you liked, up next is the dark pictures anthology games
i remember when this game came out and i was obsessed with it i platinumed and made tiktoks about it. i tried to replay it a few weeks ago and couldnt get past chapter 3 i think theres certain events that have to happen for the plot emma getting infected in chapter 4 means she will turn and there will be a fight scene which makes the game so much better. if you dont infect emma its just a random scene. this scene also leads to a very important section where emma and jacob will have a talk and it fleshes out there characters. even though i dont think the game needs this but ive heard people say that emma and abi should have a talk about nick and the kiss. some others say that most characters except ryan laura kaitlyn and dylan are super under used. i think the game is amazing and it made me into games emma will always be my fav game character. but it falls flat if you dont get certain scenes. (i dont reaally know how to end this comment sorry guys if its to long) (also just watched your nick werewolf thing what happens with werewolf and how he gets angry and thats there true nature its not guys when they turn it boosts there worst or best traits)
Emma is super variable, I agree, I mentioned her discussion with Jacob here, and I really like that scene. On the subject of content you can just miss, Kaitlyn has a pretty funny missable scene where if you fail the first QTE when she's running away from Bobby it just skips the entire scene but the whole thing is still implied to have happened off screen.
I think you have the best take on Laura I've seen (not that I've watched a whole lot of The Quarry discussion videos) of it's not that she's a bad character it's just that her inclusion makes other characters worse.
When you can point to something that a hack like David Cage did better than the subject matter, that's a huge red flag.
Honestly
Your channel is one of my favorites, your Until Dawn video inspired me to pick the game back up again. Keep it up!
Currently playing through the with a group of friends and right off the bat we started referring to the werewolves as “ghouls” and even after the werewolf reveal I think we’re sticking to ghouls just cuz they look a lot more like ghouls than werewolves lmao
They are rather ghoulish
I 100% agree having a mean girl/character that causes problems could have helped. But I was glad that Emma wasn't really that. I think her having good intentions but going about things wrong and causing problems that way could be fun or someone else needs should do it.
The part I hate the most about Nick is when he turns, like if you don’t shoot him, then Abigail dies. My question is why tf would I want to shoot him😭😭 the main objective in the game is to keep everyone alive so why would I immediately try to shoot a character…
I actually think this is a smart subversion as players who are too cautious will be punished
I noticed that they've been trying to subvert a lot of choices you had in Until Dawn, like you mentioned about not wanting to shoot a character. Not shooting Emily was the right decision but here it gets you killed. A big point in Until Dawn was "sometimes doing nothing is the right thing to do", but in The Quarry doing nothing will often result in you dying.
I mean... he literally turned into a bloodthirsty monster in front of you and yeeted you through half the house. Why wouldn't you shoot it since your life obviously is in grave danger. I'd understand your problem if the choice was before he yeeted her and turned into a werewolf, like if the choice popped up when he was struggling, but at that point? It'd be lunacy to not shoot at the monster wanting to chop your head off.
I remember laughing when the part where if you don’t shoot Nick as Abby Nick turns and kills Abby, Laura knocks on the door and tells the story and Ryan still doesn’t believe it even after he saw Nick turn and rip Abby’s head off lol “there must be an explanation.”
thank you for the nick section, everyone acts like i’m crazy when i say that i feel like nick is actually like that and just hiding. i enjoyed the video, i hope you talk about the dark pictures anthology
I feel like Nick was supposed to come over as more controlling because the werewolf bite made him go from infatuated to possessive, but the writer's nuance meter was off by a mile and they accidentally wrote him as a predatory creep who wants "easy pickings" and is self-absorbed and a possessive abusive jackass.
I feel like Nick isn't called out enough for the behaviour or doesn't get any comeuppance for his actions for the degree of how bad he is to be written deliberately.
But yes, he absolutely comes over as a terrible person in the game.
You're voicing a lot of the issues I had with the game as well. While the Until Dawn characters could be annoying, they all had likeable traits, even the mean girls. Jessica was annoying but she showed her insecurities and was quick to cooperate with Matt when things got serious. Emily was awful but at least she had a head on her shoulders and usually acted logically when the situation required it. The Quarry's characters (and plot) don't have that same balanced charm. It just feels like a poor sequel, which is really what it is. I hope they try again, learn their lessons, and come back with something better.
More Romany by % died in the WW2 camps than any other persecuted group. I appreciate the "political' stance of seeing the humanity in people who are often still dehumanized. Thank you.
I watched like half the video. I completely agree. But i think its like this because it was cut short due to covid. They started doing mocap during covid and it got cut short so they used what they could. If im not mistaken the original script was way longer with every character being utilized more and more. There were also supposed to be more locations, chases, deaths. But yk. Stupid ass covid.
Oh yeah, I somehow completely forgot COVID as a factor here. Good point.
RatatTaIks blocked me on my other account for this exchange earlier so that my posts wouldn't be seen. They're the only comments I ever made on this channel. For you own amusement before he sees this and blocks me again to hide this post like the very honest, brave guy he is.
@ rickyandreou
10 hours ago
1:01:11 "Based" was popularized online among Alt-right dudebros as a slang term generally used as an affirmation for things unapologetically racist or otherwise bigoted & anti-"woke". [Example] News Article: Local man disowns daughter for marrying a black man. Alt-right dudebro sh*thead: Based!
I find it really hard to believe that anyone still throwing that term around wouldn't be aware of this. Jacob does seem to be the only character who consistently seems to dislike the one black guy at camp for no apparent reason & he's definitely a "dudebro" so maybe you were actually trying to use the term accurately which would be telling considering how much you seem to like the character.
@ RatatTaIks
9 hours ago (edited)
I appreciate the word has that connotation, but it was popularised in quite a few circles by Lil B and didn’t have that same meaning within those circles. In more recent years it’s also been pretty heavily reclaimed as a post-ironic piece of slang, which is mainly how I’m using it.
As with most colloquialisms it has numerous usages over time, and can be applied differently dependent on context and intent, to immediately assume the most bad faith interpretation and then to use it to apply an assertion on someone’s character is irresponsible in my opinion.
Also Jacob doesn’t really give me those vibes, but fair enough if that’s what you pick up on, you’re welcome to your own analysis.
I think I’ve made it pretty clear across all of my videos that I have nothing but disdain for anti-woke grifters and people who buy into their rhetoric, and by no means am I trying to cater to them.
@ rickyandreou
9 hours ago
What I find irresponsible is casually throwing about an ambiguous slang term that in recent years has been appropriated & widely associated among online Alt-right bigoted communities & then claim innocence when called out about it. A responsible person would just avoid using the tainted term altogether to avoid that potential association.
The LIl B cop out is merely plausible deniability that doesn't hold up as it was never popularized among hip hop/black communities & certainly not in the manner which you use it, which is in fact more aligned with its Alt-right dudebro usage. So again, a responsible person would just NOT use it at all to avoid giving people the wrong impression or you can just admit that you either simply don't care that you're signal boosting what many people recognize as a popular Alt-right appropriated slang term or that you're actually happy doing so as a wink to your fellow brethren.
Hour long quarry video let’s go! Do I think the quarry is an objectively good game? No. Is it still one of my favorite games ever? Absolutely haha. Cant wait to watch :D
Me with the evil within
I really liked The Quarry. Much more than I expected to actually, but I still love to watch these videos showing the pros and cons about these games. It helps me understand the reasons why something I enjoy won't necessarily be enjoyable to someone else. Great video!
This game would be a solid 6/10 if it AT LEAST did the werewolves right. But it didn't. The werewolves in TQ don't even look like werewolves (they look more like the aliens from Signs funnily enough.) And the fact they just burst into werewolves instantly, there's no tense, painful transition, it completely takes away from a major aspect of horror of the werewolf mythology. I'm not saying they had to do every transformation like American Werewolf In London (hell, they could have just done most of them off screen and used sound effects to imply the shift), but if they at least gave us SOMETHING. A glimpse of a slow, painful transformation, I'm wondering if they straight up didn't have the budget to do so. Because I can't imagine in any realm where they thought exploding meatmen was better and less goofy than an actual transition. It completely deflates the tension if someone goes from being a human to a werewolf in 0.5 seconds. Remember in Until Dawn when we see Hannah's journal, and we see her writing down her last coherent thoughts as she slowly loses her mind when the Wendigo spirit takes over her? The idea of someone forcibly changing into something monstrous against their will is so innately horrific (and ingrained into werewolf mythology and other mythologies like it) that just seeing Hannah's journal entries was effective enough.
While it may not be great, it has one thing over until dawn- A DRAWFEE REFERENCE BABYYYYY
Hell yea
Went into this video expecting to disagree, but it turned out you have so many great takes, even on the ones i did disagree with i can definitely see where you're coming from. Opened my eyes on several things that i didn't read into much, and I gotta say this impressed me. I'm definitely interested in your other videos now. Aside from that, Travis is definitely my favourite character from this game, so I gotta say it did made me happy to hear you give him the appreciation he deserves, even if it was brief (seriously, I feel like people are sleeping on him). Honestly would love to hear your in-depth take on Travis lol. great video
Thanks for the comment, I’m glad you heard me out, and I welcome any disagreements/counterpoints to anything I say. Art isn’t some objective thing, so I enjoy seeing other people’s interpretations.
Travis is great, in part because he looks good in comparison to other characters, in part due to Ted Raimis performance, and in part because the tragic family member of the werewolves is a great stock horror archetype.
Honestly, would love to see your analysis for all the other Dark Anthology games.
Bobby is a badass.
He is the only character in the game that can survive a werewolf attack without a weapon
for the part where he talks about the characters making to many jokes in a dangerous situation i would agree with you on that but as being a part of this kind of generation my self most of us are already making jokes bout how we are all dead like with climate change and stuff so them making jokes in a dangerous situation makes sense to me because that may relive tension and stress among the group because for me that's a natural response to stress and danger i make jokes to calm myself down. but that's just my opinion
I guess that's true but that kind of threat doesn't really trigger a flight or fight response. Global warming isn't likely to sneak up on me in an alley and jump me, at least not that I know of.
Honestly im a massive wuss and hate horror games, but i love listening to your breakdowns, where i can listen to the great stories without the fear
The game was enjoyable in my opinion, there was just so much room for improvement and probably the biggest missed opportunities I’ve seen in recent years of any video game
Yeah, I enjoyed it too, but it really couldn’t stick the landing. The ending especially was super rushed.
Good video! Just binged my way through after watching your Until Dawn one earlier this evening. I've only seen UA-cam playthroughs of Until Dawn so I was very happy to play the Quarry for myself when it came out. I definitely agree it's not as strong as its predecessor, although I still enjoyed my time with it a lot.
On the topic of the tarots, I will defend the Devil tarot. IIRC it warns you to act "before the devil is unleashed" or something which is a hint that you need Abby to shoot Nick before he turns. Sadly I missed this card and Abby got killed, as I was trying to go for no deaths and wasn't sure if Nick could take a shotgun shell as a human. I like to think I'd have saved her if I'd found the Devil card.
I also feel compelled to defend Nick too. I'm reminded of how Emma can lash out so angrily at Abby before she turns. I think they were only going for the bite making him more toxic/aggressive rather than Nick being a bad person inherently. Kinda like roid rage? I may be biased as I think he's cute. 😊
Also, Daan profile pic 👀Love Fear and Hunger!
That’s a fair enough point on the devil tarot, and I can’t deny Nick is cute.
With regards to F&H yeah me too hehe