People Love Sportbikes BUT DON’T BUY THEM
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People love used sport bikes...just few will pay full price new for one, for their daily rider non sport though they will. Because its a side motorcycle toy.
Hello, I recently bought a used Ducati diavel after watching one of your videos. It sold it to me. I went on to the store website and put my new gear in the cart but I couldn’t figure out how to pay with my card online. It had a lot of options to pay with but not one for me. The only one I had heard of was pay pal. Keep up the great content.
Disregard that, I went back and had one of the kids show me how to use this phone.
@@timothywilkinson2252 lol
Hey man, love the videos. Plus you have a decent selection of products on your store. Was just looking at the Dunlop Roadsmart IV's for my Yamaha FZ09. You are cheaper than shops by me, by 22.00 to 34.00 dollars. When it's time for tires. I'll get them from you. 😎
People keep getting scared away from constantly being told as beginners, “Do not buy sport bikes! They are horrible street bikes, dangerous, uncomfortable and way too fast for the street.”
Yea pretty much and it’s a damn shame
Ninja 650. Best of all worlds
It's true though... I own a CBR F4i & I love it with all of my heart but it's been 7 months & I can completely understand why sports bikes don't belong on the street
@@phantommaggotxxx plus all the vibration that comes out of a twin cylinders , but Yamaha has the best twin cylinder engine for the bang for buck , but I’d take a four any day over a twin IMO at least for the economically priced Japanese bikes
@@punkapunk9917 cbr f4i is the best. comfortable, sporty, and not ugly. I was able to do 4 hours easy on that bike without stopping (only for gas)
I own R6 for 8 years now. No track days (hopefully one day) only twisty road with almost now traffic. I dont ride it as much as I used to. Realized that rideing it the way it was ment to be ridden is gonna end bad sooner or later. And rideing it safe (90km/h) has no meaning. However there is no way I would sell it. The smile it brings on my face every once in a while is priceless.
I'm glad brother
I want R6 too but it's too traffic these days unlike 15 years ago
I bought my R6 new in 2006 and absolutely love the bike. Before that I bought a 89 RZ350 (Canadian)also brand new. Both not very comfortable, but to this day they both never cease to put a smile on my face every time i ride them. But to be honest I am now looking at maybe something like a tenere 700 or F850 gs to add to my garage just to change things up a bit.
I love the R6 but bought a ZX6 due mainly to price. Never been to the track and ride strictly on the street. I got a motorcycle to enjoy the pure essence of beauty, power and handling for a good price. A supersport fit the bill. The real cost is safety and tickets as you cannot enjoy them at the speedlimit, but I have an SUV for those occasions. Just the ultimate imo, but perhaps the back pain will be too much one day. That is by far the biggest issue.
I think part of the issue is that there's such a large backlog of used ones for cheap, that there isn't a huge reason to pay 4x the price of the used one, when the newer ones don't offer much of a improvement over what the older ones have/had. For a lot of the newer stuff that's been added, a lot of stuff has been dropped too.
Like if I go out and buy a brand new 500cc "sport bike" from Honda- they're going to hand me a parallel twin with little to no mod support. Where as I can buy a older 4 cylinder 500cc for much less, and it have a large aftermarket already existing.
They literally, do not make, a lot bike/engine configurations that they use to. So if I want said configuration, it's impossible to buy it new. I'm forced to buy used simply because no one makes it.
Yeah man. Recently bought a 2002 Honda Fireblade 954rr for a fraction of a fraction of the price of a new Fireblade, paid cash. Ive put some love into it and its a) absolutely beautiful and b) enough bike for a lifetime. Ive been on two wheels in one form or another for about 10 years. I also smell the end of an era incoming, and I wanted to get a bike I could afford that hopefully I could keep and maintain up until we're all monitored on the street for speeding via cellphone gps, satellite cam, and killer robo dogs. At that point I will pour the gasoline and light the match myself.
where are these inexpensive bikes, cause everything around me is 5k+
@@chasenk00019 5k is cheap in today's economy tbf.
@@chasenk00019 Texas craigslist.
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 I'm talking like 2002 30k mi bikes for 5k bikes around me cost more than used cars that are newer
I think it's a combination of factors. Here in Australia, at least where I live, I see cops everywhere. Having a fast, temperamental bike makes no sense to me, because when you're on the power, you're riding with a certain level of anxiety about getting caught, losing your bike and car licence, and paying a massive fine. No thanks
Yep, exactly the same here.
Yeah I'm in Australia too, I'm thinking of getting a KTM superduke 1290r on my full licence though
@@guardian7377 Cool bike.
Run with no number plate, fuck those thieves.. 😂
This. Used to look forward and do 10k over, felt 10x safer. Now I putt along or look at road shoulders and behind. I feel like just put us in self driving cars and I'll convert my R1 to track only.
I think price pays a huge part. Sportbikes appeal a lot more to younger riders who dont have the same disposable income. Especially after they check the price of insurance on a new machine. When the used market is flooded with good sportbikes for $2k-4k that are a decade old and far cheaper to insure, it makes sense new ones dont sell nearly as much.
As for brands like harley selling relatively well despite price, ill point out their average buyer is arounf AARP age, and one of their biggest selling models is a mobility scooter. They appeal exactly to the disposable income generation
This is happening right now for me. First bike for me, wanted a ninja but, new us 7500 euros and used are from 4000euros so... I'm probably going for used...
Sport bikes appeal to younger riders because they are dumb ie no practical experience, anyone with 2 or more brain cells to rub together understands the impracticality and extensive limitations of a sports bike on the road.
for me that was the main reason when i was younger, i wanted a motorcycle but just could not afford a new sportbike
I agree 100%, I will also ask the question, Is it more fun to ride a fast bike slow, or a slow bike fast?
I dunno why I’m riding a HD so enthusiastically though because I’m 36 years away from retirement age… and I’m probably not gonna get to retire at this rate lol.
I’ve worked in the cycling industry for several years and seen the shift in interest from aggressive carbon road bikes to more upright geometry and larger tires on a gravel bike because they are more comfortable and fit a broader range of people. Talking about naked bikes and relaxed positions reminded me of the similarities
Interesting. I've always liked dual sports and ride an Africa Twin so I would gravitate towards that second category. Can't say I'm sad to see fewer Lance Armstrong wannabes that aren't sponsored but have all the bright fluorescent logos, shaved legs that never seem to use an actual bike lane 😤
If tracks were more accessible to the average rider I think supersports would thrive. Where I live they are very expensive.
I've worked in the cycling industry. I only ride on steel.
True. I own a mountain bike ( dual suspension etc ) and sold my road racing bike . I do own a racing motorbike but different tools and interests. In a hurry = motorbike , interested in adventure : mtb
The problem is that they are the ultimate luxury expense, wages haven’t increased with cost for over 40 years. The value proposition just isn’t there, if someone is lucky enough to be able to afford a bike, every other bike has a better value proposition. A sport bike for me is a second bike, but I can’t afford two bike, so a 2007 V-Strom with nearly 100,000km is all I can afford.
every other bike is a better value? have you seen Harley's prices?
@@saltytomato3018 Harley's hold their value better than other manufacturers, for multiple reasons.
@@ZildjianMan30 thisss. In UK I can buy pretty much any bike for 2k when it's a decade old but harley? Can't touch any of them.
If you asked me a year ago, I would’ve confidently said I’d exclusively ride sport bikes. I traded my GSXR-600 for a Shadow Phantom on a whim and oh.my.god. It’s comfy, I get to look at the landscape around me instead of the road, I experience no riding fatigue after an hour, and the engine sounds awesome. Sport bikes are fun in small doses, but cruisers are amazing for everything else.
Lol I started with a Phantom and now want a sport bike for the small dose fun
@@calebsmith5550 do it! Riding a sport bike made me comfortable leaning way past what a phantom is capable of. It also made me better at some mechanical things like rev matching and trail braking
To be honest, I think the biggest appeal at least for me are the looks on the sports bikes, they look sooooo good. For the sales you have to look at the bigger picture, at the end bikes in the US are toys after all, and the economy this past few years is been out of hand, and with the bigger sales prices is just not a good idea to get into this hobby.
Whatever cowardly excuse you can drum up to make your cowardly self feel better
I would disagree. I don’t think it’s a toy or economic thing. Harley sells more cruisers and touring bikes that are ridiculous price and they sell more than sport bikes. Adv is fast growing and they are not cheap. I think the issue is usefulness. Sport bikes have no place on the street. Most riders are not going to ride any faster than I would on my Adventure and I do it in comfortable with luggage.
For the majority it may be a toy but for me it's my primary mode of transportation. I don't own a car and I've been using motorcycles/scooters as my only form of transportation for the past 3 years
@@postersm7141 I used to love sport bikes, after owning one as a main mode of transport and a toy, it wasn’t a great combo. Uncomfortable and not practical.
@@theghostking-7951 mine too
Right this morning, the local Suzuki dealer said to me that the gixxer 1000 will not be imported anymore here in Italy. The first to fall was the 750, then the 600 and now the 1000. Pretty sad.
Probably sport bikes are more appealing to younger riders like me, less prone to backache, but the classic 20 y.o. guy doesn't have 20k to invest in a new bike. Used bikes are the only option, so there's no market for the new models.
Jupp. Right on. New sportbikes are just too pricey for their demographic especially given the current state of western economics.
Negative ghost rider! I'm an older rider and find my CBR600RR comfortable on my back to ride. Ten years ago after a back injury, my sport bike was the only bike I could ride. Sitting upright on my naked bike hurt too much.
To be honest, suzuki is having a hard time in Europe, at least in UK. I got my vstrom 650 that had been seating in the shop for a year, and I had another shop willing to sell me their pre-reg vstrom sitting for almost 2 years (and they're stopping suzuki sales entirely, focusing on Honda and Yamha, I believe)...
All part of the push to EV's. None of this is accidental.
There's just so many high performance comfortable bikes out now that they're just as quick as any dedicated sport bike on the road. Only reason to really buy a sport bike in today's age is either for looks or track use.
Or maybe, hear me out. There’s actual sport bikes enthusiasts like myself… not everything is about looks or performance. We love the aggressive position and the feeling we get when riding a sport bike.
I had two new liter bikes in my 20’s. I paid less for both of those bikes combined, than what a new R1 costs. A 20 year old kid may not be able to afford a $20,000 bike. I was shopping for a new bike over the winter, and that price tag definitely pushed me in a different direction.
I mean the R6 was only 12,000. How much is a new harley for fuck sake?
@@SiggyCloud I hear Harley has a trade in your first born option. My buddy just bought a evo road glide for 40k. It won’t even wheelie. 🤦🏻♂️ lol
@@bigdunford 🤣🤣
They used to make sport bikes fully faired that you could ride on the street. My favorite bike was my CBR 900rr. It had full fairings, quick release body panels, not too aggressive arriving position, and a nice wide flat seat. I rode that thing all over California and it was super comfortable.
You would like my 2006 919. Stay safe all.
Only problem with those models of the past is that they were detuned by a lot and weigh a lot more.
They are slowly coming back in the form of the new aprilia twin but the storage is nothing like back then. The cool plastics have destroyed the limited storage sport bikes had
Almost died on CBR900RR. Back in the day I went from a FZR600 to that, big jump wasn't ready
@@sneakiz93 not compared to the standards/ ujm of the day. I came from sabres and magnas, I guess power cruisers? Naked? The CBR was a lot lighter and better handling.
Ill never give up my sportbike because nothing else rides like it. I've been to demo day. Ive ridden lots of different bikes. For me, every time I get back on my fireblade i fall in love again. For me, the fireblade does everything better than any other street bike. I would hate to give up on sportbikes.
Agreed. It's like taking away manual rwd na v8 coupes. Just a disservice to everyone. Not ideal for most people, but the experience is irreplaceable.
You've clearly not ridden the right bikes then because bikes such as the S1000XR or KTM1290 SDGT ride exactly like sportbikes but do everything else better.
Keep it.
At 20 years old I bought a brand new Ninja 600R, loved that bike and rode it for several years. Then, for some reason, I decided I wanted a Harley, traded it for an older model and rode it around for a couple years, never really got the enjoyment out of it.
I'd love to have that bike back today, even though I'd probably rarely ride it( just not my thing anymore) but I do miss having it when I think to myself "I could use a little open air 120 mph breeze about now " 🙂
@@Toymonkeyjr ehh I don't really think that analogy works. You can absolutely drive a car just as you described out on the street with zero issues, except maybe gas mileage but you could still daily it. I think something like an Ariel Atom would be much more apt comparison.
Sport bikes a literally designed for the race track. Not saying people shouldn't be able to ride them on the street, because they should, but they just don't make a lot of sense when compared to other styles of street bike. There are some people who'll do it, sure, but there aren't enough of those people to justify producing these things en masse. It's why naked bikes took off so much, people could still get most that performance and speed but in a way that makes sense for the way streets are designed and with comfortable ergos.
@@Motoboo_Marine I've seen people daily sportbikes. But most people would consider an old rwd v8 coupe to not be dailyable even though some people do it. It is a fair comparison.
I love your ”discussion” videos, and this topic is SO interesting to me, a dual sport/ADV rider. I first saw your channel in 2020, when I bought my first bike in 35 years, my Africa twin. Then I saw some videos about adventure riders that left me a little cold, but not offended. Lately, the new topics are very interesting again, thanks,
I’d love to have a sport bike, but I don’t want that to be my only bike. So I’ll stick with my MT07 or move up to an MT09, and keep admiring the 600s and 1000s I see on the road.
Sport bike can be your only bike dude! :) It's mine and I go on 6-7 hour rides on my gixxer thou
@@NorthernGrim it can be, but I don’t want it to be. For the majority of my riding, a naked bike is MUCH better. Low end torque and upright seating fit me better. But I’d love to add an R1 to the stable
@@MuddyTubMedia yeah I get you, r1 would be a lovely addition! I miss my 04r1, it was lovely to ride
@@MuddyTubMediayou do realise a 1000cc sportbike would give you more low end torque than what you have now right?
@@gunnyhighway4422 I have a Street Triple 765 RS now. Sold the MT07. But the torque delivery on an MT is IMMEDIATE. It’s all torque. A 1000 has more peak torque, but it’s not as low in the rev range as the MT07. Same with my 765. Has more torque, but it’s hits later
Here in Greece after economical crisis,sport bikes started to decline from the roads..Now you see only Gixers and Hayabusas but very rare..Most people buy scooters and adventure on/off(Even Multistradas here are more than sport bikes)..
Spain mostly the same. Lot of adventure gs and cafe racer. And few sport cbr600 etc
Same here in the UK. Government reducing speed limits with enforcement camera's every where. Getting a scooter which is cheap and easy to use on the back roads where there isn't many camera's but wreak the bike no problems due to it's cheap to replace and get a lot of millage on very little fuel.
Got an 09 600RR and absolutely love it. Don’t mind the ergos and it’s a peppy fun bike to ride. Naked bikes are a LOT more approachable for someone that hasn’t riden before, they don’t look as aggressive and are more comfortable. Hope to get a 660 or a MT09 when they’re not so ugly.
That’s the best year for the CBR600. I want one so much.
RR love right here :)
bruh what a rs 660 is such a good-looking bike ill give you mt-09 is ugly as shit but the rs 660 is one of the best-looking bikes out there
I was a sport bike guy for years, couldn't get me to even consider riding anything but one, then I rode a 2017 mt09 and instantly fell in love with it. I also thought they looked ugly for years, but it grew on me very quickly, so quickly in fact that I went and got a 2017 mt09 myself a week after riding one for the first time. Now I got a 03 r6 and the mt09, one for definitely NOT speeding and shredding corners on the back roads and one for cruising the street much more comfortably.
But honestly, fuck the new mt09 design with that ugly ass cyclops headlight.
Xsr-900
Love the coffee table talk style of vids you guys do, and I feel like sportbikes will evolve once again with the implementation of electrification. The peaky power characteristics will be omitted with electric leaving (for the most part) ergonomics as the only "sacrificial factor" as far as rideability goes.
For me it comes down to the manufacturers being at fault. Supersports could be ridden on the street back when I learned to ride 3 decades ago. They were sporty but not awful. Then the manufacturers got into a hp and tech race and the bikes, though more capable, became more and more laser focused and razors edge until they pretty much lost their appeal. The thing that saved the industry was Ducati making the Monster, a parts bin “toss it out there and see if it sticks” Hail Mary naked bike that re-captured the public’s attention with sporty feel, sound and ergos that didn’t punish anybody who wasn’t in their early 20s or a Yoga master….though it still,had Desmo valves. Still waiting for one of the Japanese companies to take one of the more comfortable naked bikes and put full fairings on it (cough…Kawasaki Z900…cough) or de tune an inline 4 supersport with actual power below 19,000,000 RPMs and a more upright riding position. First one that does will have a license to print money from many of us 40-50 something’s with fond memories of that Hurricane 600 who go into a dealer, sit on a current model supersport and just cringe at the chiropractic bills which would inevitably ensue.
Brother, the z900rs is a thing.
A butt ugly thing lol
We Chiropractors all LOVE your comment. Thanks👍
"Detune an inline 4 and give it a more upright seating position ".Have you looked at an MT- 10?
a moment of silence for the fz6
For me it's just an issue of use case and storage/affordability.
I love many aspects of riding, be it touring, hooning or going fast on twisties. A sport bike is so hyper specialised that I'd need another bike or 2 to be able to enjoy the other aspects of riding, but considering I don't have a garage and insurance is really expensive as a new rider (1 year last month) having a sportbike doesn't make much sense when I could get an sv650 or any other naked bike which can do many things really well.
Don't get me wrong i will still get a 600 or 1k when i get my full license because I do want to experience the thrill of revving to 16k and going 150+, but that's going to be for just one summer or so.
If i had the space for 2 bikes I'd ideally like a 90s cbr400rr as my supersport because it's perfect for hitting local twisties and getting on the motorway for a bit if needed, it still has the iconic i4 engine and it looks cool. I wish companies made more 250cc-400cc i4 sportbikes again tbh.
I completely agree with you. I think a low cc inline four for the awesome sound with cool styling that makes around 55-65 horsepower would be a blast on any road and still be reasonable. Because what do I really need a 200 hp bike for on the street? Those bikes are really cool, don't get me wrong, but an average rider like myself, would never be able to ride that any where near what it is really capable.
@@janssenreyes8245 yeah exactly and having a big bad litre bike seems so boring on the twisties. Like I saw a couple of videos by maxwrist on the tail of the dragon and he literally never exists 2nd gear on his s1000rr. At that point just get an automatic.
As cool as 200hp on 2 wheels is, it's just extremely useless for a fun riding experience. The only real use case for high hp bikes is roll racing on the motorway or hitting the track.
If they could just push out a 300 or 400 cc i4 i would make terrible financial decision to get my hands on one. Ik everyone else likes their bikes to stay at 2k rpm but i like revving out on the street and highway.
While Stationed in Japan, I found that in the domestic market anything over 400cc is very expensive.
So there was a very good selection of high performance bikes 400cc and less.
Even some 250cc that were great. There are many countries that have similar laws. Insurance is a killer over 400cc.
But most manufacturers have decided that there just isn't a market for these bikes in the USA. They just don't sell.
Back in the 1960's and 70's when 'you meet the nicest people on a Honda' there were wonderful bikes like the Honda 4 cylinder CB400F. In 1984 Yamaha sold the real awesome RZ350. It was a liquid cooled 2 stroke twin. It was very light, had fantastic handling. And could kick ass in the twisted roads. But they just didn't sell.
The Japanese market sold a similar bike but it was 250cc.
I am surprised that we have so many twin cylinder bikes over 400 cc.
It used to be that you started out on a 400cc twin. And your next bike had to be a 4 cylinder.
I too would like to see standard 4 cylinder 600cc bikes with modern abs et cetera.
But wait Triump maked the 3 cylinder Trident that might answer what you are looking for👍😃
@@SifuPuma Well, there's plenty in Japan. ZX-4R, CB400 Super four, and CBR400RR Fireblade for starter. They're not selling in America because simultaneously too expensive for the size and underpowered for the price. In Japan, where 400cc is max you can have with standard bike license, they're great compromise between inline 2 400 and 650 class.
I rode sportbikes in the early 90s, when they were less expensive, more comfortable, and I was in my invincible squidly twenties. These days, I still like to rail a tight, twisty road, but I have to ride a couple of hours of straight roads to get there., so the bike has to be comfy. My old bones can't handle the modern race bike posture.
Then for you my guy, i recommend a naked bike or maybe a sport tourer
They stopped improving them. No reason to replace the bike we've got. "Fresh new graphics for 2022" hasn't seen a redesign in 20 years.
@@N_twice11 Way ahead of ya! I've got an FTR, and a T7, with a Tracer 9 GT on the way!
Good morning fellas. Love the content as always. I absolutely love the naked bikes and full fairings... much love and respect make it a great day
I love that Kawi 900 behind you guys! Beautiful, fast and comfy for long rides!
I still want to get one of those Speed Tripple 1200 RRs one day. But for now I have a Vstrom I abuse and a Softail I baby (so it wont rattle apart)
Saw a dude on his while riding my '01 naked Suzuki Bandit 1200 and I was like "God damn that bike shows mine what a modern naked really has become"
Why I like sport bikes is the fact they are light and nimble. I am 150lbs. Sport cruisers are too heavy for me. Had a fireblade back in the day. Now looking to get an Aprilia RS660. I am 56! If it wasn’t for the price, I would go crazy and get an RSV4!
I don't think sportbikes will go away. But I do believe and hope that they'll segregate actual track only supersports like with the R6, and then make the street rideable ones be more like faired naked bikes. (Aka better ergos whilst keeping the looks, ala RS660 and Tuono)
This
So basically sports tourers
@@metalsadman Yes, but without the very heavy weight and detuned engines like the very very few modern offerings.
Ive got my R7 60th anniversary edition on pre-order. Should be coming in this coming week. Cant wait. Stepping up from the R3.
Interesting segment. Personally I love the look of fully faired sport bikes. I'm a newbie rider and am riding a CBR650f all blacked out with an Akrapovic... It sounds amazing. Turns heads too. Have already had a couple compliments from random strangers. I will eventually get an R1 or even a Busa just so I can do stupid fast freeway pulls.... but I can see the appeal of a naked bike like an MT-07/09 for doing everything on one bike. I hope to be able to experience riding many more kinds/sizes of bikes.
for me, its only having one bike at a time and wanting something comfortable to drive. the z900rs you are giving away is almost a perfect type of a bike that can fill multiple roles. it has the sportbike soul with a good commuter feel. i looked at the naked bikes and thought that its something i could commute with. i picked up a standard z900 because i could get the power of a sportbike with the comfort of sitting on a barstool. so i would say the naked bikes are eating up the sportbike market.
I'd take a sportbike as an only bike 9/10 times. It gives the experience that no other bike can deliver. But if I absolutely had to daily my bikes year-round then yes, I would hate have a sportbike. Luckily riding is a hobby, and I choose when I go out and ride. Don't make your hobby, your chore.
@@Toymonkeyjr i choose to ride mine to work every day that its not raining or too cold. it makes going to and from work an enjoyable experience as well as saving some money at the pump.
I got the z900rs cafe- its ergos are quite similiar to the original Kawasaki Ninja in the 1980's (judging from pics.) Sporty but comfy.
I have to say the 2022 Kawasaki 900 classic puts me in a great state of mind.Just a beautful dedication to great time in motorcyclings past brought up to todays specs.Great bike.
@@Toymonkeyjr can you explain the experience that no other bike can give?
The Aprilia Tuonos really are the perfect solution to this. Aggressive looks with rad looking fairings, but with a naked/comfortable stance.
I just love the adrenaline rush and insane quick acceleration on my RR 14'. But I also love all the technology that protects me (ABS, Rainmode, Wheelie control).
I rode a 1098 and absolutely fell in love. But for everyday riding, I enjoyed my used Ninja 400. Now I have a FZ-07 and it’s by far my favorite.
I’m more interested in a WR250R than any sport bike. Also, I hate wait lists and ridiculously high prices. So I tend to only buy used.
Make them lighter and smaller CC's ; like the older days in the 80's, 90's. Example: 550 , 650. 750 and some 850- 900 . JSC
The little 250 super sports from the late 80's and the 90's would scream. They reved out to like 20 k rpms. It would be cool if they brought back those 4 cylinder 250s with modern tech.
You guys make some really great points. I’ve talked to a lot of new riders and guys who want to ride, and it’s always been about cost for them. For the average joe, 10k is “expensive”.
Really enjoyed this
that is exactly why i love the tuono 660... You get all the good of the RS but bit less style (still a lot) and much more enjoyable riding position. I kinda wished other brand did it... Its daily usable, look sporty (more than naked) but its confort.. Fazer did it once uppon a time and they looked great. Didn't age that bad.
And yeah it might trigger some but we don't all want to ride and have backpain after 15min... i mean i ride for an hour or two right now... Long trip. On road. Tried RS, CBR, R7... none fitted me... Tuono was a wonder, cb650 too..
I really hope the Japanese brands follow the Tuono, sport bike look with naked bike comfort.
@@superbigdaddy117 totally agree. A R1/R6/R7/R9 look with confort position would be dope. Or even CBR650
also why people don't buy "sport" is because insurance cost. You take a naked of a sport... and its almost half less sometime... i mean, i get it... I spare 600euros per year on tuono vs RS.... Why?
@@thomasbouvier3203 first time rider my insurance was $900 something CAD, depends where you live tho was $600 something in the province next to mine for the exact same bike/coverage.
@@superbigdaddy117 well in eu they are no fun. Got my anything license. And cb650 is 1000€/year, cbr650 is 1350€.
Tuono was 1200 and rs660 is 1800€. Wont even talk about r1 vs mt10
I think the insurance cost for a super sport is a huge factor that steers many riders away from them. I’ll never forget that phone call I made to my insurance company when I told them I traded in my 2018 Ninja 400 and I needed a new policy for my 2021 ZX-6R. When they told me my premium would be about 10x higher I nearly spit out my chocolate milk 😱😱
Yo same here my mind was blown 🤯
wow... I always get an insurance quote before I get serious about a bike... not even checking before you buy? that can hurt...
Did you end up keeping the bike?
@@AyaWetts yup that's me,but I'm not going to let ins keep me from ever riding a bike
@@Ghilliez Absolutely 😎
I got the yellow r6 in the thumbnail and I love it. Turning feels like a precise kitana slicing through bamboo compared to my last bike mt07 which felt more like a saw by comparison.
I think it just depends on your personal interests and how you were brought up in the way of bikes. My dad has been racing and doing track days with bikes since I was little. He got me on a Ninja 250 at the age of 15. I was on an FZR-400 at like 19 or so. And I finally got my permit and bought my first "street bike just last year, 14 years after I started doing track days on the 250. Lol. I went with a 2022 Ninja 400 cuz I never saw the need for a bigger bike when I carry corner speed pretty well. And I always liked the looks of the sport bikes my dad had. He has an 1198 Panigale now and it just look beautiful!
I’ve been riding my RE conti GT 650 for almost 2 years now and pushing it on the twisties has made me want a supersport much more. I want an R7 and probably will get one because I started on something accessible. Race on Sunday, sell on Monday is less relevant than getting people on accessible bikes that make them want to go higher and faster.
The r7 is not that powerful either. Go for an used r6 or a mt09
After using sport bikes and super sport bikes as daily bikes for a couple of decades I switched to an MT-07 on a whim. I will never go back to a sport bike as a daily. I may keep one as a weekend toy and short blasts but the daily usability, comfort, torque and general hooliganism of the naked bike has absolutely been life changing in my bike journey.
I’n getting my first bike within a couple months do you think I should start on the mt03 or just shoot straight for the 07 ? Can you still plant both feet on the ground when coming to a stop on the 07?
@@hyperzen601 I'm 6'3" so I can flat foot just about anything. As for what to start on, it depends on person, previous riding experience, self control, throttle control and a ton of other factors. I love the MT-03/R3 for what it is and not just a starter bike but a fun, small, light bike. If you are actually responsible you can start on an MT-07 but it can be sketchy for someone who has never ridden. Some start on an 07 and are fine, some are sketchy riders even starting on an 03. If you have previous riding experience like dirt bikes and things like than then the 07 would be a good choice. If you never ridden at all, go buy a used 300, ride it for 6 months to a year, flip it to someone else and buy your upgrade bike.
I think we are moving into a time of inflation going higher and higher every year and peoples incomes staying stagnant, therefore people aren’t buying anything other than the necessary car and after the monthly payment they can’t afford a motorcycle just to have a motorcycle. It’s no coincidence that the bike shops aren’t selling much and inflation was 9.1% last month. Mixed with high oil prices (LGB FJB) people can’t afford fun and hobbies anymore.
Yeah every year the bike prices go up, even those crappy one's that don't sell and only getting new decals every year. It's quite frustrating tbh.
Thank a Biden voter if you can find one
This. My mom was like "go buy that 2016 Audi for £5 grand that that dude is selling" because I've got a 2002 base model civic but its just not the time. I'd rather buy a truck and make money off of it.
Hi guys I watch a lot of your content and I'm getting a 2022 650 ninja krt and a lot of my friends are getting sport bikes ,but your right no one's getting sport bikes anymore. I had an almost fatal accident and I'm getting back on one after 5 years. I hope they're more buyers soon.
I think there is a market for fast, comfortable, super-stable sport touring bikes, such as the N1KSX, GSXSGT, Busa, etc...I'm 56 years old, so I'm in a demo that can afford a new bike. I want speed and comfort, and I hate Adv bikes. With the Connie going away, I would love to see Kawi step-up the power on the N1K from 145 to 160-170. I think that bike would sell.
I love my Sportbike, it was what I wanted all along and did not know it. I started on a ninja 250, went to a Sportster, but when I got my Ninja 600, it's like something in my heart clicked! Passing power on the highway, agressive styling, superior brakes, it's damn near perfect!
I love my SS! Getting another here real soon!!
Yammie; you speak from the flatlands of TX (even the "hills" in Austin are really flat). In SoCal, we have lots roads that are fun on sport bikes that aren't crowded and full of people wanting to ticket you. Granted they aren't race tracks, but still fun on a SS.
I started out on a 600 because I thought I wanted a fast sport bike. Then I got a KLR 650, and now I'm on a V-Strom 650. I don't have kids, but I very quickly turned into the ADV dad. Sport bikes are fun and all, but only in small doses. I would go on 500+ mile road trips on a sport bike, but after doing those trips on an ADV bike, I just can't go back.
It's interesting people say this, I used to have a klr250, I'd highway commute for an hour to uni. Had a numb hand from holding the throttle for that long, wore my kidney protector cos I had 5-10 kg of textbooks in my bag and I'd be sore AF if I didn't cos my bag didn't sit on the seat to take the weight off without straps being stupid loose. Sold the klr and got an rgv, mostly cos it was fast AF but funny enough it was better to commute on compared to the klr. Maybe it's just me, and I'm the odd one out. Best thing is not to commute at all tho, have an R1 now and it's not great for long highway rides but I'd still take it over a single cylinder thumper for highway.
I think it has to do with comfort. If you only have one bike , it's probably not going to be a sportbike. You can't really open it up in town , you get tickets on the interstate, most people aren't into track days or having an expensive toy that they can only really ride on a track.
Even respective naked bikes can't be opened up in town. Ever seen anyone make use of an mt10, z1000, gsxs100, etc.?
That's why I'm praying that Kawasaki brings the zx4r to Europe or that Honda gives their 500 a 270° crank.
Depends on the person you are and your level of commitment. For 7 years now, my daily has been a 3 different models of CBR600RR. I will probably make an exception for the CBRs, as Honda really knows how to make an all-around supersport. But yes, you CAN have a 600-1000CC Supersport as your daily. Especially since a lot of the super sports have “daily driver” technology from factory, such as ABS, TC, quickshifters, hydraulic clutch levers, wheelie control, riding modes etc. I do occasionally ride my father’s old Honda VTX 1800 from time-to-time, but NOTHING comes close to experiencing a Supersport on a daily basis. Just firing one up every morning when going to work gets my heart racing more than a strong Espresso. Also, depending on where you live, you can totally “use” a 600CC Suoersport’s power for daily duty. On a litre bike, its just power overkill.
@@dacarguru7983 Spot on. Everyone on here jus doggin out the super sport like it’s the outsider family member. U can get in the same amount of trouble on any bike as u can on a super sport.
@@dacarguru7983 I wouldn't consider a hydraulic clutcha and wheelie control daily-tech haha.
But on a 600, using the bike, just looking at first gear. Where except on the highway are you gonna make use of the first gear, let alone the second, third, etc.
I had a YZF 600R, 500 lbs, and very good, it was a Super sport in its day, but a decent street bike. I went to the Fz09, recently upgraded the suspension (GP in front, Penske in back)
Now i have a daily driver that can corner good enough to do track days at a good pace.
Its a compromise, but in the performance direction.
Hey man! I went from R3 to R7 to the R6 and now on a CBR1000rr and I daily that bike every day! I love sport-bikes and you you have to be very disciplined to ride a sport bike.
here is the issues in my mind, the bikes are rocket ships built to run way over 150 mph. the sport bikes of the 90s were usable and blistering quick under 125 mph, where most riding happens. another thing i noticed, when those bikes are up for sale there almost always on a trailer because there so damn uncomfortable to run more then thirty miles. look at how a gpz900 sits vs a new zrx6, most people want to be at least a little comfortable
If only track days weren't so damn expensive.
@@joshmarchant604 if there was a track to go to, none around here and the local circle track guys don't want there asses clapped by some old bike in there stock cars
Circle tracks are boring anyways, hope you at least have good backroads with no flashing lights behind you.
😄 That's because the second hand market is where it's at when it comes to buying sportbikes
Agree 100% places like Facebook marketplace especially here in the UK is full of sportbikes
The second hand market sport bikes are ratty and modified to high hell
@@shogo695 some are for sure but just got myself an 07 cbr600rr completely stock besides a slip on exhaust
@@shogo695 I waited 10 years to buy a bike off a pal I admired for 10yrs. Purely oppertunistic ofcourse, he was selling and I snatched his hand off for it! A 96 CBR900 Fireblade for just over 1k Sterling. So much joy it brings!
I started on a Ninja 400 about a 1.5 year ago and went next to a R1250gs but kept the 400 and did mods to bring it into the high 50’s HP wise (45stock) and I absolutely love it. It’s not fast by any means but it’s fun as hell to rip around on and you can get to use the full bike
My r6 is sometimes uncomfortable in city riding… or long rides to the good twisty roads.
That being said. I feel like I look cool AF on that r6.
Who doesn’t want to feel that way on their motorcycle?
I’ll keep my super sport
Im a late X'er, grew up with trail bikes, the odd scrambler, harley or standard getting around, the concept of an unrideable, impractical plastic fantastic has never entered my head for good reason, why on earth would it?
I think its just a matter of common sense dawning, in an era with unmarked cop cars with speed camera around every corner (yep im Australian), speed limiters and increasingly draconian environmental standards putting the brakes on fun worldwide why the hell would anyone but a fully faired 600/1000 unless they lived next door to a track which almost no-one does?
The mt09 does not have too much power. it all depends on the ryder, his/her size, skill level and self control. Im 6'2 and 250 lbs. A mt09 is not enough for me but for someone 60 lbs lighter its a perfect bike.
The youngins dont mind being hunched over on their bike. Im 41 and i bought my first naked bike when i hit 30 because my back was startingto kill me on my old SS. I barely ride my rsv4 unless im feeling frisky or doing a track day. Mostly i ride my mt10 because its comfortable. Power and tech has nothing to do with it imo. Super sports have more competition now because naked bikes are the best of both worlds.
Yep. I hit 30 last year and had to switch from my lovely 07 600RR to an Indian Scout for the lower back.
Like the scout but may try a CB600RR sometime for that upright position and inline 4 scream.
@@mexifry222 i tested the cb1000r. Damn good bike. Its smooth and very easy to ride but plenty of power on tap. Almost bought the bike but once i tested the mt10 i changed my mind immediately.
Lov my f900xr, Corbin saddle, nice tall windscreen comfortable, plenty of power, easy to ride to the mts 4 hours and ride in the mts.
You guys actually contributed to this a lot. The vast majority of motorcycle content consumers online have never even rode a bike. So when you are constantly told that sport bikes are dangerous and that you don't 'need' a bike that fast by credible people like yourselves, it discourages people from getting one even if they do get to a point where they are comfortable buying one.
Just bought a zx6r after a couple years of not riding. Started riding about ten years ago. The big difference was PRICE. For most of us this is a fun hobby. Paying as much for a bike as you would a car is insane. Why do that? I know some people can ride year round but there can't be that many can there?
Zx10rr like 34k euros lol as much as hybrid corolla eco
I’m right there with you. Really wanted either the ZX-6R or CBR-600RR, but couldn’t bring myself to spend that much. Also wanted the MT-07 (2021) and felt better spending less than 10k for a brand new bike than I would have with either of the other two. Love my MT, but still… if the other two were a little cheaper, no doubt one would be sitting in my driveway instead
@@markmiwurds2865 Mine was a used 2020 with only a few thousand miles on it. I got lucky though. Had to drive three hours away to get it. There was nothing in my area. I thought about the Yamahas too but they didn't have any of those available near me either.
I would love to buy a modern sportbike but I'm just a poor student so there is no way I can afford a new bike. If I could afford one, I would probably choose the RS660. At least I was able to afford an old sportbike which I enjoy owning.
Coming from my own perspective, I think that sportbikes, especially 600cc ones, are very interesting for younger riders but they can't afford it, especially not getting one and taking it to the track.
I just started learning to ride bike. I bought a second hand 7 years old gixxer 150 with full fairing. The engine is very smooth and the ride is really good. I got pretty used to it. However, I realized how much I hate faired sport bikes the more I learnt to ride on it. It's a good beginner bike, for speed enthusiasts. I am in my 20s but I prefer a RE Meteor 350 as I am a cruise enthusiast. Maybe Honda CB350RS can be a good retro compromise for me.
I started on the ninja650 and before i could upgrade license (Australia) i bought a mint 04 gxsr1000 . Its a pain to ride on street so it sits in shed. Currently riding an ex police fjr1300 and im loving it.
To me it is the insurance that inhibits me from getting SuperSport.
Insurance just makes you pay for others' stupidity.
The good part about that 1200 RR is it is no worse in insurance than the Z900RS, apparently not a sportbike.
Here in California, the most expensive state to insure a bike, it's a cost factor. I'm a new rider and if I would even a Ninja 400 or an MT03!!! And I'll be paying $180 a month!!! I currently pay $198 for two vehicles(1 full coverage), life insurance and renters. If I get a cruiser like a Rebel it like half.
I think its just over saturation. Every company has too many of the same bike at face value. Almost like they're competing with themselves more than they are each other. It's like cars with SUVs. 10 different models that you cant really tell apart.
I think you guys for the most part are spot on. As a seventy-year-old, I recently bought a 1984 Honda Nighthawk 700S. For me, it was the best of both worlds. A little sporty, and capable of cruising as well. I've owned Harley's and triumphs but had never ridden a sportbike. I went shopping for one and after sitting on some in showrooms, I realized it was but a pipe dream to purchase one. I had an image in my mind of what it would be like to ride one, only to have it shattered before I ever took one on the road. Also, too many young guys are getting hurt or worse on these bikes. It's ALL about madison ave. Over the next 10 years, there will come BIG changes in the motorcycle industry. I'm certain of that reality. Sooner the better!
I've been riding for 30 years and bought a Honda CBR 600 new in 2000. I've always been a sportsbike fan and follow Moto GP but never felt the need to move up to a bigger bike. However, with so many speed cameras and highway patrols, I'm starting to think about buying a dual sport or ADV bike and switching to off-road riding to get my kicks.
Speaking as someone who love sportbikes, Japan abandoning comfy small sports tourer was a huge mistake. Ninja 400 2018 was significantly lighter than the previous model, but has crappy ergonomics. Same with CBR400R, which opted for panigale memes at the expense of wide and comfortable seats. This keeps happening and Sports Bikes become less and less casual friendly. Of course people would look elsewhere.
The ergos on the n400 were an extreme improvement over the n300 imo. It leveled it up from beginner bike to underpowered naked bike with fairings.
Sport touring folks are cruiser guys who can't admit that they're cruiser guys.
Sortsbikes are not supposed to be happy go lucky. Similar to how Sportscars are never comfortable, unless they aren't sportscars
@@sonny9608 At the same time the 0.1hp more the one bike has over the other is irrelevant af.
@@PotatoeJoe69 I'd see it the other way around, cruiser guys are people who just don't want to step up to get an even more capable cruiser because it looks like a sportsbike.
The R6 has been the bike I fell in love with. I've always wanted to get one, and I still think it's the best looking bike out there.
But when it came to actually buying it, I bought an MT09, and I am glad that I did. It's super comfy while also being extremely fast and fun to ride, and I also genuinely like the looks of it. But the R6/R1s are still making my head turn whenever I see one. But it just doesn't make sense to buy one.
No doubt about it: supersports are sexy and unmatched in the “cool” factor. But nakeds are just so much more practical in every way.
i have an r6 and wouldn’t trade it for anything
You picked wrong and will always regret it till you buy the r6, MT09 practical yes but boring
@@gunnyhighway4422 I've never, ever heard anybody describe the MT09 as boring. It's literally THE hooligan naked bike.
I've seen so many supersport bikes that can't corner for shit. Literally NEVER seen a supersport rider that was going faster than I was on twisty roads, the average touring bike here wrecks the average supersport squid.
@@Liphzzy they are boring its just the nature of a naked bike, your in denial probably because your scared to ride a litre bike. Well you must either be an incredibly talented rider or talking our your arse (im going with the latter), if nobody on a sportsbike can keep up with you 🤔, theres a reason race bikes are that style and thats because its the easiest to ride fast on and handles the best so stop talking rubbish you sound like a fool
Finally got my Aprilia Tuono V4 Factory, and I love it… just hit 620miles. Loving it!
She’s a 2022, in ultra dark.
I had a '99 Suzuki TL1000R. it pumped out over 140hp and went about ~175. i put a lot of money and time on a brand new bike. i absolutely loved it!
I think it’s because of how uncomfortable they are on long rides.
They’re great for young riders who want to commute to work or take short trips.
As riders get older and more experienced, they’ll gravitate towards wanting to go longer distances.
Just my opinion.
That's true. But not everyone's ideal ride is a long ride. Sometime's it's more fun to go for a 1-2 hour ride on the local backroads in the middle of a work week. Don't make your hobby a chore.
Agreed
@@Toymonkeyjr 2 hours is still a pretty long ride
At 45 I couldn’t ride a sports for that long , my back couldn’t do if
I rode my ZX-6R for 6 hours non-stop just a few weeks ago.... I could have driven for much longer but my wife called me on my phone, to come back home for dinner.... Also I am 50 years old.
So are supersports uncomfortable??? For 50 year old me NO !!!
@@thainaaier Probably because you built up your core muscles, and learned how to not put all your weight on your wrists. Most of these riders don't know how to ride a sportbike in general.
Here in Canada, sport bikes pretty much impossible or so expensive to insure it
definitely looking better with the stubble, but please bring back the full stache yam! you got a great mustache, it automatically gives plus 10 street cred and commanding authority👨
Gen3 Daytona 675R owner here, I have about 6 track days under my belt and I ride this bike on the street pretty often. I absolutely love the way it looks and I feel like it's one of the most comfortable and unique sport bikes. I've ridden all kinds of different bikes and have an appreciation for the comfort of the other styles. Maybe someday I'll add one to the collection when the time is right.
Bad politics, inflation, ever-more reaching police states, low-IQ bully cops, and Insurance co, are the reasons no one buys new sportbikes. Plus the constant badgering from loved ones that are wasting their lives being safe and secure.
I mean this is an exclusive to sport bikes but motorcycles in general; they're probably the best vehicle you could have in regards to inflation and insurance, because insurance is exceptionally low compared to cars and they use very little fuel compared to cars. Motorcycles are the ultimate vehicle in a bad economy.
@@PotatoeJoe69 Sadly, my bike gets about the same as an economy car like a civic. GSXR 750. But, I bought it for the speed and handling. lol
Wow dude. You have some emotional shit to work through before you post again. Politics and police state? Just ride your friggen bike man. Clear your head.
@@PotatoeJoe69 right. My cb919 is gonna get me through the recession
The only bike I ever wanted was a Ninja ZX-6R, specifically the 2014-2016 version. It is simply the most beautiful wheeled machine I have ever laid eyes on. Had one that sadly got totaled by an evil inattentive old person and plan on getting another one the second my insurance payout happens. It hurts to see sportbikes slowly being used less and less, especially now that I am finally able to get into them myself. Feels like I will end up missing out.
You won't miss out when a naked can give you the exact same experience
@@gavin3810 I have been on a naked as well. Definitely a fun experience but nothing will ever give me the same high as a full tuck.
Also I am more worried about gas powered vehicles being slowly phased out than sportbikes going away.
@@gavin3810 They can't
@@G30rg31415 how so?
@@Number81SuperD yeah I'm extremely worried about laws just killing off old cars/bikes
this is like a bonus YN podcast. short form. love it
Awe man! This video speaks to me FOR SURE! I used to watch AMA super bike racing and Moto GP as a kid! All I knew were super sports. I've wanted a Suzuki GSX R 750 for my entire life. I'm 40 and what did I buy? A 2022 Kawasaki Z900 ABS! Why? IT'S SO COMFORTABLE and it still has a ton of power! Eventually, I'll have a super sport as a second bike because I've always wanted one. Even though a faired bike looks better to me but a naked is way more user friendly for me. Great video guys!
If manufacturers raise the clip on bars of the sportsbikes people will buy them
I dunno I feel like it's natural progression I don't think sporties are gonna die completely I think they will become a rarity something super expensive that you can order from your preferred brand but they probly will eventually be taken off showroom floors and replaced with sporty looking nakeds that make decent power but are more controlled kind of a sport bike lite so that it can keep the idea of super sports alive but I dunno that's just a theory
You are right. Here in the UK and Europe is following the same routine for reducing speed limits with very heavy penalties. New cars have to have a speed limiter installed in them. UK Europe are stopping sales of new combination engine vehicles in 2030.
I am riding on Transalp 600 from 1995... a great bike for every day everywhere use that didn't grow into a monster. First bike...
I started on a ninja 250 and then moved to a zx6r, sold it when I moved and after a few years of not being on a bike I picked up a Ducati scrambler, it was the most fun bike I have ridden but I did miss the full faired street bike so I made a compromise and got a Ducati SuperSport. I have put 8k miles on it since Dec. its been great on multiple trips to CA from AZ as well as riding to work.
It's kinda funny hearing how long it's been since you guys have actively been in the used bike market. "You can get a used R1 for around 5 grand." That's a little off now unfortunately. Great vid, loved listening to it
Maybe the sport bikes we have today are more like race replicas than street bikes, and I get it, people want the look of the bike they see on races, and it would be cool to own one, but it just does not make sense for 90% of us, makes more sense buying a bike that is street focused, that also does well on track, than buying a bikes that is made for the track, that can also go on the street.
TLDR: if we want to continue making sport bikes, we need to make them street 1st track 2nd, and that's why nakeds do so well.
Also the young crowd that would still want sport bikes is too broke to buy new anyway, so they turn to the used market and buy the older ones, and in fairness, they aren't really missing out on a lot.
And lets face it, if we can have both comfort and handling, why not both then ?
End of July the dealer finally got my 2022 R1 60th anniversary edition in. Been riding for over 10 years and started on a ninja 250R, had a V-Star 650, a GSX-R600 I tracked at UMC, FZ-07 (great bike and aside from track riding most fun bike I have been on). Between work, and Arizona monsoon season combining triple digit heat and afternoon rainshowers have only had time to put 29 miles on it so far. The R1 is amazing though and definitely amazing technology combined with amazing performance. With the N+1 formula next bike is hopefully a GYTR R-7 completely track converted and the R1 being the occasional track day.
I think a lot of it was the late 2000s. The early 2000s were great times, it was bikes, and hookers and blow all day every day. Like a DeLorean Motor Company meeting. The late 2000s brought us the housing collapse, which turned into bank collapses. We've never really recovered from that. People are saving money now, not maxing credit, and they since want a motorcycle that can do more than one thing... In 2005 I had 9 motorcycles, because I could have a bobber, a couple sport bikes, an adventure bike, and on and on. I still have 9 motorcycles, but I'm a gear head so that doesn't count. I digress. My riding friends back then had a sportbike, a dirtbike, a sport tourer... now, most of them have an adventure bike, or just a sport tourer as it can do most of that. Friends that had a dedicated track bike have returned it to street trim and are riding just the one bike now, or gotten rid of their track bike, and just ride their sport bike, and occasionally do a track day on it.
That seems more to me a function and result of simply growing up rather than economy changes. When you hit 25 it starts to click in your mind that not every day's a party and riding a race bike around all the time is miserable.
You are surely no economist. Debt is at an all-time high so your comment about savings is only partly true because of those who got a momentary boost from a false economy stimulus.
No matter what way you look at them sport bikes are a stupid buy. They appeal mostly to younger individuals with a juvenile mindset and less disposable income. Nearly half of the time I see sport bike riders on the road they are doing stupid shit. The statistics bear this out as Supersport riders die at a rate 4X that of other motorcyclists.
One can buy almost any liter ADV bike and get nearly comparable performance up to legal road speeds and actually have practical transportation with comfort for more enjoyable long distance riding.
I'm from Milwaukee so it took me a very long time to get over thinking motorcycles are all fat piles of shit that sound like garbage barges due to so much exposure to harley-davidson.
I don't dislike Harleys bikes nearly as much as I dislike their stereotypical rider.
I got an R6 for my first bike and it’s WOWWWW!! Everyone keeps hating vue Wtv. It’s really up to you. So much fun to ride
First time rider at 38. Took the class, now I'm 2 years in, 40 and still love my Suzuki Boulevard c50t 2012. And I live in the Tampa bay area.
I was a sport bike kid who saw speed and specs and thought performance numbers as the only reason to buy a bike, but quickly came to resent the ninja 300 that i bought.
Motorcycling to me is about freedom, going out and doing what you want to do, going where you want to go, and being more present than you would be in a car. Speed feels good, but Freedom feels better.
I hated going on a ride just to have to turn around because the road turned to gravel, planning routes away from the highway because the bike was underpowered (i know that’s not a problem with bigger bikes but highways are still no fun), looking at places that would be amazing to ride to, but choosing not to because it’s 1.5 hrs away and my back would be Killing me.
Too many can’ts on sportbikes for me, maybe if i had a riding group and wanted to flex, but even then a hyper naked seems like all the flex you need.
Reading the comments and being old myself can really show the paradigm shift. Pre-2010s comfort was not as big a priority as performance and generally people were willing to make the trade off for more performance at the sacrifice of comfort. Now, not so much. Its not just sport bikes but static suspension lowering kits, manual transmissions(although automatics do perform better in certain situations), mechanical blow off valves, and even Jeeps. It's all about making the most comfortable ride while barely achieving the same result if at all. Not judging anyone or the overall shift in thinking. Just explaining. It goes way beyond "only one bike, must be a rolls royce seat to dialy" or "who needs a liter bike for a daily".
I personally ride a liter bike daily, love the feel, and no I'm not a squid. I also track it as often as I can afford it. I couldn't afford a daily AND a track missile so I compromised with what was most fun not most comfortable.
Although it deserves a mention that the used market is moving. I save every bike I like for sale on FB marketplace, and they usually sell within a week. Maybe it's a price problem or more realistically an economy problem.
I just bought a 2022 Honda CBR1000RR 2 weeks ago... loving it!
Favorite bike I've owned has been an 07 MV Agusta Brutale 910r. Comfy liter bike. My first bike was an 05 636. I loved that bike but couldn't ride it for longer than 30 min.
I'd love to find an 06-08 GSXR1000, pull the fairings off and add a handlebar.
Unfortunately I can’t afford it uncle yams
For me it was cartoons showing this rad dude on a bike that everyone showed respect to and then down the road my uncle got a r6 and kept bragging to my dad how much happiness he had, so he sold it to him and got a suzuki. Dad never let me touch it to prevent me from wanting to experience its joy. His fault, I now ride a R6 to experience their joy and soon my son will too
In Canada insurance plays a big part in why few people ride sport bikes. I'm a 21 year old guy, never been in an accident or had a speeding ticket and no insurance company would insure me on a 600. I wish we had bikes like the ZX25-R where young people can get a really great performing bike that can actually be insured realistically
I have a scout bobber and a MT10. I love both of them for different reasons. I've set then both up to be very comfortable for long rides yet can carve corners real nice.
Never would I ever buy a super sport bike just for street riding