Is the CFMOTO 450MT better than the Royal Enfield Himalayan 450? | INFO MOTO
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- CFMOTO recently launched its all-new 450MT adventure bike, available initially from $8990 rideaway as a limited-time introductory offer, before settling at $9490.
Interestingly, this pricing structure is remarkably similar to that of the rivaling Royal Enfield Himalayan 450, which is also currently offered from $8990. Royal Enfield has yet to confirm full-time pricing for its Himalayan 450, though it will likely remain under $10,000.
The CFMOTO 450MT sits below the 650MT and 800MT in the brand’s local adventure bike line-up, sitting on the same platform as debuted on the 450SR sportsbike and 450NK naked bike.
This 449cc parallel-twin platform underpinning the 450MT generates 32.5kW and 44Nm, and is mated with conventional six-speed gearbox.
The bike rides on 41mm KYB upside-down forks which are adjustable for compression and rebound, while the rear-end sees a KYB monoshock that can be adjusted for preload, compression and rebound. Both ends offer 200mm of travel.
Importantly, the CFMOTO 450MT features wire-spoked wheels measuring 21- and 18-inches front-to-rear, as well as switchable traction control and switchable ABS at the rear wheel befitting its off-road-focussed positioning.
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Nice review, “Thanks”. Too many people forget, when you live in a big city, you need a certain capacity to enable reasonable highway cruising to get you to the dirt roads in the first place. That capacity unfortunately, means a bit of extra weight. I had a couple of 300cc bikes, including a Honda CRF300 Rally and a BMW310GS, both lovely bikes, but not very good on the highway. If you want a super light bike, buy a dirt bike and trailer it to the dirt roads. Unfortunately most dirt bikes aren’t road legal and therefore can’t be used on any dirt road in Australia, (private property only). The 450 MT looks like a very good compromise.
Digging my new Himi, solid, comfortable unit. More than enough power for me.
This is an awesome review and video. We've currently got the 450MT in our workshop for R&D on some aftermarket parts and we are quite impressed with the build quality of this machine.
I’ve had mine for 6 weeks, test rode the RE450 the CF is better in every way. I have a 23 Africa twin also, the CF is a great little bike
I want to start on adventure so I choose CFmoto 450mt rather than t7 tenere I scared that I might get destroyed real quick and what are you opinion about this t7 or 450mt and my last option is Africa twin but only after I gather load of experience in adventure
@@Commnt921 MT450 will be more fun. People underestimate smaller displacement bikes and the fun they offer. I'm good for either but got my sights set on the MT450 over the T7
you are so lamely biased, the RE us better than the cf moto in some areas, and vice versa
3200km on the Himi450 flawless!
I have a versys300 and i tested the 450mt. Better ergo on the 300. Better sound on the 450. A little more oumph on the 450 but not much. Way better fuelling on the 300. Will not swich bikes.
5.1/5.7 inch vs 8/8 inch suspension travel. If you don't feel it, you probably don't need it. However it's kinda big deal for others, you know...
@@szh4494 I agree. Plus spoke wheels and tubeless tires. Round torquey engine. The versys is a roadster disguised in trail.
Versys 400 (or 450) would be excellent.
I also had a Versys 300 for 6 years. Good on gravel roads, ton of fun on twisty sealed roads, surprisingly good as a lightweight tourer. Great fuel range. But...for adventure riding the suspension is a major problem. There's just not enough of it. The engine also becomes an issue - it has no low down torque. All power is above 8000 revs. In more technical stuff it is almost impossible to stay in the power band. And the seat is bloody awful! I have taken a 450MT for a test ride and I think it would be a far better all round bike. But, still too tall in the seat even on the low setting. I have a serious case of duck's disease 😞
I’m a big RE fan (Interceptor owner) but would absolutely get this over the Himalayan if getting into an adventure bike. So tempting - a great value offering! Getting to be a smaller and smaller group of riders who can justify $20k plus on an ADV bike.
Ordered the mt last week massive waiting list in the uk
The CF to me is a better looking bike so I would definitely go for this one 👌🏻🏴
Picking mine up today. Was buying the Himalayan then I saw this bike✌🏽
Tell us how it goes later
@@charliequach6399 so far so good 500 kilometres in. Great fun off road
@twowheelin7361 Great to hear. My garage is too small for an SUV and the Z900. I need to make more space first.
@@charliequach6399Bye bye SUV… you’ll be missed hahahaha
@FirePattaya lol, I made some space on the side after throwing a few things out. However, I've just been reading up on Kove 800X, looks like it's gonna be another great Chinese bike. This one is 800cc and has same weight as 450MT. 👀
I'd hold off till the end of the year until Kawasaki Versys 500 comes out. This could be a hybrid model too. Can't wait.
But I got a feeling this bike would still be better as an overall package, and I'll buy the MT 450. That's ok too cause there would be more aftermarkets for it by then.
Versys 500 is never coming
@@falcn12 Kawasaki recently submitted a new ADV pattern under the 450 hybrid power plan. Leading to speculation of a new Versys Hybrid 500.
I don’t know if that bike will come and if will have the Ninja engine will be just a street bike with an adventure bike body.
I have the Versys X 300 and I hate it.
Great review, picked my biggest bitch with the lean low rev map... A booster plug fixed it for the Versys-X it's replacing (I was going to play them off against each other and pick the best, 200k in and I knew I was keeping the MT)
The foot pegs aren't me, bring on the pivot pegs and the handguards are useless so budget for bark busters.
Definitely loosen up the front end and release the fork striction, everyone I know that has is far happier.
Now for some knobbies as I always over ride my ability and the front end feels just like my Africa Twin, begging for more bite from the tyres.
All up, it's not the unicorn 🦄 but it's probably slept with it.
Well done Spencer! Getting busted up pretty bad with all the dirty action.
Thanks for your presentation & input. It certainly is one of a contender for cheap bike of the year. Will be interested to see your team comparisons between the 450MT & the Himalayan! Cheers & rest up! You deserve a holiday
No rest for the wicked mate!! Thanks for your support as always ✌️
One thing to remember KTM and CF Moto are in a partnership. I will have to say though the 450mt is a nice looking bike.
And CF and Yamaha
Royal Enfield are owned by a tractor manufacturer.
@@jimtitt3571Well so was Lamborghini and Porsche made tractors too.
I would take the MT450, I really like it, in my country the price is 5790€, I bought a 450SR-S for my son, which has the same engine, I can only say that you get a lot for the money. It drives great and I don't regret buying it.
Where do you live? In Greece the price tag is 5990€
the twin cylinder makes the diffrence. When you travelling all day you dont want those vibrations of the single.
I’d buy the CF over the RE
So do I
Yeah I've seen Royal Enfield frames break on a jump so I'd rather have this.
How many have you seen. Over the millions they sold.? Last month there's a Honda cb500x frame broke in Vietnam.. What's your thoughts on this
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@@interstellargod6959 I've seen the Royal Enfield Himalayan broke on its promo video years ago. Lol
Just tighten the cable adjustments on the throttle. Makes it much better, less snatchey.
a nice calm and balanced delivery, thanks for that, how do they compare 2 up fully loaded on a highway? im guessing that is where the twin will win out, cheers
I can't comment on these two specifically, but I had the husqvarna 401 (ktm 390) and the single cylinder was very smooth two up on the highway.
That being said the CF makes more HP and torque and everyone says it's smoother than the Himalayan.
@@nomercy4521 all i keep hearing (outide all the hype) is crap low end fuelling on both tbh
@@barebonesmc that's good to know. I thought I had heard the low end fueling on the RE was good. I'm hoping to test ride the RE this week.
@@nomercy4521 i will take one out at some point, but as i ride 2 up most of the time i am not so sure it will do what i need to be honest. it seems much more set up for solo use
There are concerns about fitting crash bars to the RE450. It seems the Engine mounts break and Engine drops down.👎👎
Piston mean speed in m/s is a measure allowing to roughly evaluate the stresses on the piston with the rings in the cylinder. In general the consensus is to stay largely under 20 m/s at max RPM and to stay around under 13-14 m/s at cruising speed if you want a lasting engine. It's verified every day on aviation and marine gas engines used long hours at a steady cruising speed.
The other rule of thumb is on gas engines the cruising speed is 75 to 80 % of the max RPM. For example if your bike has a top speed of 150 kmh, the good speed on highway is between 112 and 120 kmh with a piston speed around 12-13 m/s.
After this preliminary I do think that the RE 450 has a very bothering technical feature. With a very long old fashion stroke of 81.5 mm but with a rather fast 8000 RPM for the max power of 40 hp, the piston speed is 21.3 m/s, a very annoying high value.That's more than a super sport Honda CBR600RR at 14250 RPM (20.19 m/s). More than a cross KTM 450.
The Suzuki DR 650 SE has a 82 mm stroke with around 41 hp at 6400 RPM piston speed 17.5 m/s. The Zongchen NC 450 with a stroke of 64 mm is giving around 40 hp at 7100 RPM on the Fantic 500 with a piston speed of 15.14 m/s.
Also that means, if the top speed is 150 kmh at 8000 RPM, that at 6000 RPM on the highway, around 115-120 kmh, the speed piston is an unhealthy 16.3 m/s. Like if you were almost top RPM all the time with a Suzuki DR 650 on the highway, and everybody knows that was not good at all for the DR engine. Morality the RE engine is absolutely not made for going a long time on the highway.
The 450 MT has a stroke of 55.2 mm, so at 8500 RPM the piston speed is 15.64 m/s. At 6500 it's less than 12 m/s, a gauge of longevity. With the very full curve of torque and power it's easy to adjust the sprockets ratio to get 120 kmh at 6500 RPM. It's also the RPM of the max torque and the better specific gas consumption. Morality with the good gear ration you can make hundreds of kilometers et 120 kmh.
So I do not feel very confident about the durability of the RE engine for a ADV use with a mix of highway, road and offroad.
Interesting. I was watching a review and the designers apparently said they planned for the Himalayan to be primarily used on the highway. My understanding is the fuel consumption is much better vs the CF. It was also stated on this other review that RE is offering a 3 year unlimited mileage warranty with road side assistance, so they seem confident on their product. I'm curious what warranty the CF will have.
@@nomercy4521 Very interesting. In France the RE warranty is 3 years, but the importer is a bitch and the 450 MT is 2 years but it seems that CF Moto will extend it to 5 years like the 700 and 800 cc models.
The true test will be time and the testimonies of the customers like for the KTM camshafts problems, as a lot of KTM owners are arriving now at the fatidic 20-25 thousand kilometers where the camshaft fails.
Happily for the the brands most bikes make very few kilometers every year so they can offer long warranties without real risk.
The effects of the very high piston mean speed are not immediate if the quality of fabrication is good and the lubrication excellent.
Simply the cylinder will be worn prematurely probably at 30000 km. So wait and see, we'll know the answer in 3 years.
did it come with the T-Box in OZ already ? I've seen a few customers around the world complaining they didn't get a TBox - so can't do their NAV connection - only China for now they all said ? I pick up my 450MT in a few days from the dealer - so my ears pricked up when I heard the TBox mentioned ...
Yes, Australian model comes with tbox
I see you said the CF has better performance off road, but I've also heard others say that the RE is better for "technical off road." I know nothing about ADV's so I'm looking for my first.
Is "technical" mean tighter, slower pace, harder terrain? I just that the RE was easier to lug at slow speeds, which seems to match what you mentioned about the touchy throttle.
Hi there Return road rider. I test ridden both bikes and the CFMotto 450MT is a better bike so much so I bought it. As for off road, (Adventure lite) I will get there but will end up doing a begginers course.
You are going to be dissapointed with the new Hima. It vibes as much (or more) as the old one, it's top heavy, it lacks half of the features the 450MT offers at the same price point like tubeless, foldable mirrors, ABS button, adjustable screen and more. And it feels heavy and unwieldy, you sort of sit on top of it instead of "in it", it's taller now and has lost most of it's approachability and easy fun going offorad.
Have you ridden one or just parroting social media. In my country the both 450’s are the same price with tubeless rims. I’ve ridden both back to back and cannot decide yet which one to buy. The vibes aren’t bad at all on the himi, and it’s more relaxed at 110km/h than the CFMoto. The himi has better low speed handling and smoother fuelling. The Cfmoto has better wind protection and is very comfortable. The down sides of the CFMoto is it needs twice as much servicing to the himi to keep its warranty (every 5k vs every 10k on the himi). Also the Cfmoto uses a lot more fuel and needs premium fuel so servicing and running costs are much higher on the CFMoto
Yes I have ridden in. Haven’t ridden the CF moto so can’t compare. I can however compare it to the 2 411 Himmys I owned before, also the CRF250L, Triumph Scrambler 400X and a bunch of other big bikes. The new Hima seemed far too buzzy at highway speeds, also taller than the old one, also heavier. Hence why I say it’s lost it’s ease of use.
@@reinistraidas from what I can find the 450 has a lighter wet weight and the seat height is just as low as the 411, but can be taller depending on the seat option as they offer a low, medium, and tall seat.
I drove the CF for some time and I really disliked the throttle controls at around 30 km/h. More often than not the bike suddenly jumps forward if you are not perfectly precise. And offroad as well as in city traffic its quite uncomfortable
I got 1300 km on my MT450 here in Europe. I bought it as the lighter, smaller displacement ADV bike. I have modified Rally 300 for the "dirt riding".
The big miss for my riding, the short final gearing of the transmission. Around 120 kmh the engine spins at 7000 (8500 red line). I already installed 15t front sprocket, drops rpm 450 or so, but it is little less energetic on initial acceleration.
The fueling off idle is shit.
The rest of the bike is awesome.
You already answer my big question about this bike.
So NO thank you.
I’ll go for the Aprilia Tuareg 660 almost the same price and I’ll need the 6th gear after 130
@dawudgt Yep, the transmission is a big miss. Glad I could help. No one talks about this super short gearing. All reviews seem to be dirt oriented.
@@pawelwolski1316 It's pretty much known and most owners have changed to 15T and so did I, and yeah biggest issue is the fuelling which I hope the rumored new "map" will be available for all, last time i heard it was implemented for new zealand owners.
And this is the biggest problem with this bike it is geared to be an off-road bike but it's pushing 200kg wet. The weight is fine for on road and gravel touring but then the gearing is not suited for this riding. It looks good sounds great but its not going to be great either off-road or on road unless you like riding slow.
@green_genie Yep.....Good thing for me is that I like side roads, so 80-90 kmh is going fast. But sometimes u are stuck on a highway.........
Surely , the Voge 525dsx is the real competition to these two?
Sick review Spence!! Don’t know what wounded u more … the crash or the Doon pub 😂
100 per cent the pub 😅
I have same issue with throttle on Chinese Zontes G1. Very frustrating.
I love my 450 MT but fuelling is a pain on technical stuff
Like most efi ive ride , clutching resolved it.
Sorry what is fuelling
It’s how the ecu reacts to the throttle position sensor it’s not terrible you get used to it for Australia they have a remap as has mainland Europe that sorts it out
10kg heavier than a DR650, and with 3/4 or the torque.
Also 3/4 the price of a dr650
Another thing with Royal Enfield Australia is your warranty roadside assist entitles you to only 2 tows if you break down and the bike can’t be ridden. It put me off buying the 450 Himalayan.
I ended up buying a Kawasaki Z650RS because no got it for an amazing price….. I miss being able to take those dirt roads.
How much?
In the UK, you get 4 years warranty with the 450MT and 8 years breakdown/recovery as long as you keep up with the service intervals at a CFMOTO dealer. What's not to like!!! Placed my order for the MT on Monday. Could be a long wait though. I already bought the 450NK back in March this year. Fantastic little bike with a very peppy engine.
I better go for the RE
I’d love to see cfmoto making something like the ktm 690 enduro. With the twin engine, that would be something to ride 👌
Great little bike and great summuary as well. Thanks for the video. I am looking forward for a test ride. Currently not easy to get one here in Germany
You've ridden 5000ks on the 450 Himalayan? That is a lot considering its not been out for long. Or did you mean the 411?
Hey mate! We just recently rode the new one on a two week trip through Nepal and Tibet. It was quite the adventure. We'll have a video from that soon 👍
Epic, thanks for clarifying @@INFO_MOTO
@@INFO_MOTO Cant wait!
Been hearing the gas mileage is bad. Anyone know the actual mpg in USA gallons?
great review !
I'd buy the RE over the CF Moto
The Only real option to stand against 450mt in this category is the Rieju Aventura 500. Why everyone sleeps on that ?
that mt deserve 600cc motor with that chassis.... not to slow on highway and good looking... just like africa twin looks with less cc
The CF is better in every way! Well said.
I love the way it looks, and Im sure it’s a great bike, but I don’t like the fact that CFM is trying to sell the 450MT as a large ADV bike through Its looks when its clearly not. RE has the Himi being a unique bike, not trying to imitate the bigger rivals. Not sure if Im explaining myself.
I love this bike. This is what a 390 Adventure had to be in the first place based on its product positioning. I own a 390 ADV and I absolutely love it for its all round character, Sharp on streets, light for off roads and super comfy for touring. However my friends who are into proper off roading find it a bit prone to shortcomings. The MT fits the bill.
Himalayan 450 is more beautiful bike and the Royal Enfield has a history the cf is totally new and unknown
CF has a long history and a partnership with KTM producing engines for them, plus they have good long warranties
@@M.Shahbaz.Khan. Well Bajaj in India has 47% something stake in KTM as well. They still make some crappy bikes
The RE is fugly.
CF MOTO makes engines for the KTM 790-890 range, mmm cam issue, no thanks.
Only time will tell.
@@Futuremodi Good point but the build quality of the CF motos is very high, and I mean they compete in Moto 2, I think they are capable of high quality. So far there are no horror stories of bad reliability (any more than is normal)
What a stupid question ! It is better than Tenere.
People just forget one big thing, spare parts !
The Cf Moto is a buy and throw away bike
I live in Denmark and you can buy it here, but that the only thing you can do, no spare parts 🙄
In this category only a torquey single will do. Both these bikes are too heavy for me.
There are some dealers close to me selling the Aprilia Tuareg 660 in 10K. Some others 11K
Which one will you decide? CFMoto 450 10K or Aprilia Tuareg 660 10K ?
😁😁
No brainer, Aprilia for 10/11k is a steal.
It's more than double here in Australia. $23k
@@aldrinmarquez7136 That’s the price and it’s maybe the best mid trail.
Better than a CF for the same price.
You guys are talking in different currencies🤣 You can get a Tuareg for 10k USD in US. You can also get a 450mt for 10k AUD in Australia. You flip that around a Tuareg will set you back 20k+ AUD in Australia, and a 450mt will be 6k+ USD in US.
@@szh4494 😁😁🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thanks to clarify!!! 🙏🏻
The throttle surge has been already patched !
If cf comes to india...threat to RE
its in nepal
The RE will still be here after 20 yrs not so much for the mt!
One has a track record of poor manufacturing quality and chassis breaking/crack. And the other is a Chinese bike with no substantial track record to speak of yet. So I won’t be picking either but if I really had to, I guess it will be the MT.
CF Moto have been around for 35 years, they started selling their quads about 16 years ago in the USA and we've been a dealer in Germany for ten years. They aren't exactly beginners.
Wow, in Europe it costs below 6000 Euro
6000 EURO = 9600 AUD. They are almost exactly the same price. Our dollar is much weaker than the Euro
In Denmark, it costs about €9400 😅
You summed it up, “light weight adventure bike”. The bike is not light weight in the least however.
Personally I don’t understand how people, and yourself mr reviewer, consider the cf moto not most comparable to the Honda NX 500. That’s the comparison that I want to see.
The NX500 is more expensive and more road-biased (19in front, alloy wheels, lower ground clearance, less suspension travel) than either of the 450s, which is why I don’t think it often gets included in comparisons. The 450MT is definitely more fun, but the NX500 is a Honda, for those who just want the established reliability. NX would probably be the best highway tourer among the three as well.
Cause they are not, the cf is a proper adv bike not like the 500 which is adventure touring .
I bought the cf moto
why it cause 10000 USD your there? it only about 32000 RMB in China, just less than 5000USD.
We use Australian Dollars here. Not USD.
Plus import costs, local duties, dealer delivery costs, registration and stamp duty. It's hard comparing prices in different countries, especially based on price in the cojntry of manufacturer.
I’m not buying Chinese made motorcycles until they work out the quality issues.
just bought this beauty, 3k km done, absolutely loved it, performance is great nimble and quick, suspension in off road is just perfect, big plus are those tubeless tyres.
I bet you drive a Ford
So just thai made bikes for u then 💪🏽
@@billumandal I would love a Himalayan 450 but I’m concerned about how much maintenance it may require. I want a motorcycle I can rely on. Any bike is better than walking! 😁
@@YourLocalRaccoon sorry I do not drive a Ford
This is a really good bike. If only it wasn't Chinese......
Chinese have a space program and humanoid robots so that mentality is no longer warranted in my opinion.
maybe that gent it’s more about the ideology and politics of china ..
Single cylinder engines with low geared transmissions, have been obsolete for 100 years now. It's bizzare that Japan continued to make single cylinder engines in their smaller bikes, whilst putting enormous 1340cc 197 horsepower inline 4 cylinder engines in their larger street bikes (Hayabusa).
They gave people liquid-glass-electric-turbine smooth inline 4 engines in all their models, and only single cylinder 43 horsepower motors in their DR650 or 48 horsepower in the heavier KLR650.
The single cylinder bikes were designed to be boring, and low in power, with short gears that aren't very good for actual highway riding. But this doesn't make any sense, because the same companies were constantly trying to make more and more exciting, faster, more refined motorcycles.
As a side note, 53 years ago, in 1971, Honda made the SL350 enduro with a screaming 10,000 rpm and 36 horsepower parallel twin. Somehow, 53 years later, they've forgotten how to do it.
Every premium flagship enduro and trail oriented dirt bike made by the major manufacturers, should be a finely balanced parallel twin, with an overdrive 6th gear. Anything else is obsolete at this point.
Single cylinders are awesome for off-road use because of the superior torque vs twins and their simplicity & lightweight. Almost every off-road racing bike is a single because of that. You don’t need more cylinders for off-road use nor horsepower. I have a 890 twin and you don’t use even half of the power in the dirt, I can go much faster in the dirt and have way more fun on my 300cc single cylinder two stroke (not boring at all), and because it weights 110kg I can hit harder terrain you can only dream off in a twin.
Who on Earth would think that a single cylinder off-road motorcycle with less than 450cc should be good on the ‘highway’? Where they’re designed to be a long stroke single Dan the exactly what is needed. If you want to drive on the highway get a diesel car, they’re not the place for any decent motorcycle.
You do know that Japan probably sells 4 or 5 single cylinder bikes to every 1 of everything else they make? 3rd world or nearly 3rd world countries want cheap, reliable bikes and those people actually ride every day. I've been in areas where you see 10 single cylinder bikes to every one car or truck. They don't have or want nor can afford 1340cc 197 HP Busa's sitting around with 500 miles on them....those are for people who think it makes their dick bigger.
Your comment lacks sense in so many aspects
@@CesarSan19Single cylinder engines are better for off-road riding, agreed ! But the CF MOTO 450 is designed as an Adventure tourer. For riders wanting to ride from home to the trails and back without having to load up the ute or trailer. You can do it on a single cylinder but I'd rather the smoother performance of a 270° twin cylinder engine.🤗
RE should really ditch the circular mirrors. They are the most impractical bit on there. Also, the tank guard should be made an optional accessory.
Mirrors r for breaking in an adv bike. Cheaper ones r better in that regard.
@@billumandal I just meant different shaped ones, not premium ones. It needs more lateral visibility.
The himalayan is too heavy.
sand in the manjina ooff
190kg plus wet. The rival is the Honda 450RL , 135kg .
Undoubtedly much better off road, but also a lot less comfortable on the highway though
@@M.Shahbaz.Khan. Fair enough …but remember part of bike riding is getting the adrenaline going in a safe manner.
Having to limit your off road riding fun over off road bumps jumps and whoops because your bike is way too heavy , is a downer.
Believe me I owned a Honda 300 rally ….fantastic all round bike …but it’s 150 plus kg wet weight , made things slower and less exciting than riding a lighter bike …so imagine 190 kg when you are pushing the pace off road.
But if dirt roads and dry fire trails are your only excursions this may suffice.
Just make. sure you can pick it up off the dirt….not so easy.
They are not comparable
Different bike segments 😂.
185 kg dry
CF 200 Kilo.
Himalayan over this Chinese wannabe ADV!
🤣🤣🤣 Himalayan broken chasis lol
Haha pajeet