Yea exactly. I doesn't matter how many bits you bolt on the crf300 and that it needs new suspension it's still a dual sport, and it will always win on an enduro lap. But it's clearly not the best option for what the majority of people actually use an adventure bike for.
I picture advs as 70 on-road, 30 off-road while duel sports are the opposite. The Honda is closer to duel sport, and the KTM is more sport touring. I think they should have tested road performance, as well as long distance off-road comfort.
He literally addresses that around the 24 minute mark. The course and the lap times are just an objective way to find/define differences between the bikes.
Interesting. But, to me, selecting an adventure bike only makes sense if you are doing some sort of range/touring. Otherwise, even a basic dirt/dual sport will spank these bikes in the woods. Matters like - "how livable and usable is the bike loaded w/ your gear on it?" become important. As well as things like, comfort- noise/heat - reliability - serviceability - range - etc might prioritize higher than pure woods performance.
@@carlmega9712 That’s why I’ve chosen the 450MT as my next bike - it has just that little bit extra of everything that the others don’t have that make the journey getting to the adventure that bit more comfortable and bearable.
My 1 year old rally with 19,000 klm from new is still at the dealership waiting on top end parts. Been off the road for 3 months so far. Am enjoying my new MT450 As soon as the rally is repaired it's for sale. Honda Australia and the selling dealer are pathetic.
@@calakask5485wtf does “high fuel” mean? And 60-70mpg isn’t good enough for you? Honestly not sure what your actual gripes are but maybe try completing your thoughts and sentences next time.
@@overboost7667 That's great man. They are cracking bikes. I have to admit, I did change out the piston, rings, barrel, valves and cam chain around 130,000... BUT... that's only because she was just starting to sip oil, and I mean sip. At that mileage, I thought, yeah, makes sense. Still runs really strong. One of the smallest bikes I've owned, but definitely one of the most loved.
If you take the centre stand off the Himalayan, it’s the same wet weight as the CFMoto 450mt, or if you add a centre stand to the 450mt, it again becomes the same wet weight as the Himalayan
The CFMOTO already launched an update that corrects that jerkiness on the throttle! Much smoother now ! If you do primarily road a 15 tooth front sprocket is a must have !
Here's a show idea; 8 minute segments that follow owners of particular models. From shopping and purchading, how they store and use it, maintenance, and costs incl insurance.
CF Moto offers that too and as far I've to know now they've got a dealership almost every country you can think of now or will have soon if they aren't there already!
Thanks to all of you who contributed to making this great video. Well done 👏 I’m literally stuck between choosing the Himalayan or the 450MT. I like the 450MT more because it is superior in every way to the Himalayan, except for fuel consumption. 5.5 liters per 100 km is a bit high; if you use high RPM, it easily reaches 6.5 liters per 100 km. Come on, CFMoto, it’s only 450 cc, and that’s too much. Royal Enfield's fuel consumption is impressive-3.5 liters per 100 km. My friend has it, and when he pushes its limits, it’s a maximum of 3.8 liters, and he said he’s seen an average of 2.8 liters when riding in another city, around 90-100 km per hour. The Himalayan is best for fuel efficiency. My heart tells me to buy the 450MT, but fuel is very expensive where I live, so my brain tells me to buy the Himalayan. I’m tired of this dilemma; it’s even in my dreams lately.
I have a scrambler 900 and thinking of one of these as second bike. I’ve seen the CF Moto in the highway and it’s not pretty 😅 the gear ratio seems very short and you end up revving the engine more than you’d like. Also: it has no rev limiter and services are scheduled every 5.000 instead of every 10.000 km, says a lot about what their expectations are
Thanks guys...excellent job! Yes weight is the #1 issue facing anyone riding off road. The 300lb Rule which states "Any bike that leaves the pavement should weigh less than 300 lbs" should be considered by anyone wanting to ride off road. It is only a "Rule" for me :).
Bought the Enfield to save my old Moto Morini Enduro.. I can be comfortable on it even with my 1,96m. For my kind of riding its perfect. 1-2 hours to get somewhere i can legally go off the road by the Autobahn and it dose it better than my Bmw r80 from 82´ and it takes half of the fuel for that. Off the road im also happy, i do more often the kind of riding the TeT provides and on flowy fast sand like in the Netherlands it feels (like they said) long and stable. Would definitely buy it again!
I recently bought a cfmoto quad, 400 touring to replace a 2022 Polaris 570 touring two up, top of the line. The polaris was a nice fast quad but lived in the shop, the cfmoto is an amazing little machine that is great on fuel and hauls me and my wife around all day in comfort, was $7000 less than the comparable new polaris plus comes with a five year warranty, to say CFMoto has come a long way is an understatement
Yeah CFmoto quad are popular here and from what I know people are happy with it. What I want to say is that CFmoto is not really a new kid in the block and their new motorcycles might be quite cool. And I am not really a fan of Chinese products and I own a CRF300L (after I sold the XT660Z).
The KTM seat is abnormally hard and seat height is annoyingly high. Doesn't KTM have like 20 models with high seats couldn't they make this model with a lower more comfortable seat?
@@beamdoctor5637 the seat is not that high. It is however wider. I’m not sure where you get your information from but I have a 2023 with the factory saddle and it is absolutely fantastic compared to my dual sport and dirt bikes. I can sit in that seat for hours.
Spectacular comparison. I analyzed all four models and the conclusions were identical to those in your test. A few days ago I ordered CF Moto. Thanks for confirmation. Riding the Honda was crazy!
Dang!! Your preview launching each bike had me hooked. Probably not something I’ll ever do but riding a bike put to this test makes me know it’ll survive anything I bring it to.
Great video and agree with the conclusion - I was lucky enough to get one of the first batch of CFMOTO 450MT's in the UK - its a great all round package and a really good price - the throttle is not smooth at low speeds in traffic but an over the air engine map update and a 15 tooth sprocket to replace the 14 tooth at the front has noticeably improved things. Its got a lot presence - I've noticed a lot of people take notice of the bike. The engine is really good fun, the handling is great, good wind protection - the stock seat is too low for me at 6'1" knees are bent a lot to get feet on the pegs - I have a tall seat on order that puts the seat height at around 870mm - overall though im really happy....at work but want to go out on it now 😜
Royal enfield is not a off-road specific motorcycle, it is specifically for travelling distances on broken up roads like the Himalayas and doing trails as a part of travel and not timed sport. It's meant to be a do it all machine In a relaxed and enjoyable manner without rushing. IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH SPORT OR TIME TRIAL .
@@tuhinroy6852 you can say that, but I still feel, putting any of these motorcycles except the Honda in a time attack is a disservice. EVEN THOUGH IF IT PROVES HOW CAPABLE THEY ARE😅
The rear brake bias is a uniquely off road bikes thing. The problem is manufacturers have weakened rear brakes and so riders have lost the skill using rear brakes. It is an offroad bike but it requires skill.
@@xxhotelcrazyxx I think that I would buy a left over or lightly used first generation Himalayan at a great price and would be very happy with it. I'm 71 years old and not in that much of a hurry and just stay off the interstate hiways. It's a little lighter, air cooled and less complicated.
and with the popularity of the CFMoto - there's a shed load of accessories available day one. Prices are good too. I've kitted mine out for adventure touring with alloy top box and panniers, taller screen, crash and sump guards, AUX lights and a 2nd Carplay screen - for very little outlay. It's a comfy road ride and great on the dirt roads and trails
I own a KTM390 ADV, we've done 9000kms (roughly 6000miles). This review is spot on. Great bike on the road, love the responsive engine and electronic bits and bobs. I've ridden on gravel and sand around Mundaring and Boranup in WA and had great fun. However, riding position is awkward with pegs too high/bars too low, not enough clearance etc. I love the bike and I'm not desperate to get rid of it but wish I'd listened to Ryan Fort Nine, saved a grand and got the Duke or RC instead.
Totally not surprised with the off-road time result. I don’t normally ride for speed off-road. I ride for the fun of off-road and the pleasure of being in nature and I look around my environment rather than focusing on riding skill. The journey is far more important than the destination. After having both the CRF 250 and an XR650, the CRF is much more fun. It depends on your priorities. I’m heavy. I wouldn’t take a CRF on a road trip greater than maybe 100 miles. It wouldn’t be appropriate for the bike. But if the 100 miles were all off-road, without a doubt the CRF would be more fun. The perfect road trip is to put the CRF on a trailer behind a pickup truck, get to the wilderness, and then have fun.
I understand the click bait title but we really need to stop with this "what's the best..." kind of reviews and videos. Every model excels at something that suits a diferent riding style for a particular person, some choose performance, others reliability while others might value style or plain budget. The good thing is that nowdays there is a bike for virtually anyone to enjoy. 😗
@@PaulB-q3d they manufacture bikes for KTM and Yamaha. Their own brand bikes might be 'new' to certain markets, but they've been in the motorcycle making business for years ... That being said, I still don't want to be an early adopter for the CF MOTO 450 ... I'll probably buy one in 3 years if the early adopters are still happy with them by then.
@@DD-co1zn Thats the way to go... A friend of mine got one and has nothing but problems... Stripped screws from factory, loose screws on the engine, bike randomly not starting etc. And the spare parts situation is lets call it interesting. If they can figure things out they cold become a great alternative to the established manufaturers
CF MOTO really thought out the 450MT. The only thing I can ding it for is its weight. If they could find a way to lighten the 450 by 15-20 lbs without adding a much cost would be great. That said, the 450 is the one to beat for a well rounded, well put together, and well equipped ADV motorcycle. This is a motorcycle that can take you from beginner to intermediate ADV riding with ease.
The MADtv review of it does mention it carries the weight quite well. But with a full exhaust, lithium battery, and removing the passenger pegs you could drop a good chunk of that weight you want gone. If you really wanted then replacing some fasteners and other parts drops the rest. All depends on how much money you want to spend. But of course you are then adding some of that weight back on with a skid plate, barkbusters, and side bags.
Should've included the Voge 300 Rally in the test, since the major complaint with the Honda was the stock suspension then the Voge would've given you what is equivalently a Honda with better stock suspension.
No doubts about ir! I've had a CRF 250 Rally, a CRF 300L and now a Voge 300 Rally. Less smooth engine but much more fun to Ride. Ir would bem the fastest on these track!
They are not playing. I live in Italy and my motorcycle friends are positive about this brand. Italians like the design, the tech and affordability of CF moto and the KTM developed engines was a Master stroke by CF moto to gain acceptance at least in Italy.
@@leulgeorgis3216same here in Mexico especially where I live there is a bunch of mountains and off roads this bike absolutely does wonders over here and is hitting the market
"First kind of twin to market in this class". The Versys X 300 never gets any love. It should have replaced the Honda in this test because it's not really an adventure bike.
Thank you for yet another great video. I've been traveling The Americas since June last year, covering 50.000 km on a CRF 300 Rally. With a few mods it's a good travel bike. It makes tricky stuff so much easier compared to a heavier bike. As an unpleasant surprise reliability has been an issue... Of the 4 bikes in this shootout I would pick the 300 Rally again for a journey like the one I'm currently doing. The 450 MT would be my second choice.
Exactly my thoughts! There are people that circumnavigate the world on a 40 year old Honda CG125 that puts out 10hp, yet some dudes need perfect 100hp+ bikes, and ohh it must have such and such Bridgestone or Michelin tyres. 😅
@@ampm9771 westerners spoiled with smooth tarmac and high speed highways. I loved riding the honda posties but they do feel like a toy when you get out on the highway.
I have some concerns about the longevity of the trio piston/rings/cylinder of the RE Himalayan. A measure of the cylinder piston stresses is the piston speed in meters second. The consensus Is 20 ms. Even a Honda CBR600RR is at just 20 m/s at 14250 RPM, a GS 1250 also 20 m/s. Even a turbo Ford Zetec 2.0 also 20 m/s. I can multiply the examples on motorcycles, cars, boats and even water cooled 4S plane engines. On the RE Himalayan the stroke is 81.5 mm and the power RPM is 8000, that gives a staggering piston speed of 21.3 meters second. To keep the piston at a decent speed of 13 m/s you have to stay under 5000 RPM, and that gives a pretty low speed on road as it's simply a 450 with maybe 145 kmh top speed at max RPM. For comparison the 650 Suzuki DRSE was 82 mm with 6500 max power RPM, and the DRSE cylinder piston had generally a 50000 km cylinder/piston life, a little abuse on cruising speed on the autobahn shortened the piston life. Similar stroke, but far less RPM. The longest life of the piston cylinder on a big mono was on the Yamaha XTZ 660, 84 mm stroke but only 6000 RPM with a top speed of 170 kmh, so at 110 you were around 4000 RPM with a piston speed of 11.2 m/s. There is no secret, it's in all the good engineering books. The 450 MT, bi-cylinder 270°, has a stroke of 55.2 mm. At 8500 rpm the pistons speed is 15.64 m/s, at 6500 rpm while cruising, the piston speed is a comfortable 11.96 ms. With a 15 teeth sprocket the speed is 112 kmh. There is no match with the RE, you can make ten hours like that and the engine won't suffer.
@@nathanmaurice4103 With 53.6 mm of stroke, the WR250R has to rev until 12000 RPM to attain the same piston speed as the Himalayan at 8000. That won' happen often... If I remember well the WR250R has about 28 HP at 10000 RPM with a piston speed of 17.87 m/s.
Nice comparison guys. Enjoyed it. So I have a CRF Rally and looking at possibly trading for 450MT. Before I do I am in the process of installing CRF with 301 big bore kit and stage 3 ECU to see if this changes my mind.
I have a 390 SW, adapting the riding position was an easy job. Tilted the handelbar more Up and changed the peggs for SWmotech EVOs. Made all the difference. Next step is changine from Anakee Adventure to Karoo 4. Seatwise i just can't say anything about the stock one, as i changed since day one to the powerparts Rally-seat.
If you're going to be doing big road kilometers I think the CFMoto makes more sense, especially if you are carrying anything, I think the CFMoto is the only bike here where you could even consider a pillion passenger.
I love ripping my CRF300L, everywhere....I rip it hard on road, I find it handles amazingly. Off road, it's a little struggly with the soft suspension but, it's doable.
Such an enjoyable video despite me not having any skin in the game whatsoever. Watching Michael manhandle these bikes around the woods makes me wish we could see what he could do with some real off-road specials. Full-fat enduros? I don't know... just bikes with top-end suspension. I'd love that. I bet Michael would too!
I have the sprocket but haven't put it on yet. Its good with the 15. Foot pegs for sure. I not only did bar risers but put on protaper evo high adventure bars. The better geometry makes all the difference
The 390 definitely needs fork extensions and progressive fork springs for around $250 and flat pegs. That I agree with. After you fix the front end geometry the bike turns into a weapon due to the lower 172kg wet weight. Some might argue that you shouldn't have to upgrade a new bike but then again the 450MT needs crash bars and the CRF300 needs suspension upgrades as well so it turns into a wash.
@@Gud-y2s it's literally the lightest ADV bike that can comfortably cruise on the highway. Only bike I can think of that would compare is the Kove 450 Rally.
I think you guys should tour with these bikes for atleast a full day in different terrains, that would be a great video & should provide great insights for the viewer
Cfmoto 450 MT is the current king of the midweight ADV market. Unbeatable value for the package you get at such a low price. Get the OEM high seat mod and you're golden. Although if you have more cash to spend, I'd go for the KTM 690 Enduro R or the AJP PR7.
I always overlooked chinese brands, but for the price CFMoto really got it all. Adjustable suspensions, tubeless spoke wheels, hand/engine guards, electronics, led lights, twin engine and all for 6000 €: terrific value for the money!
Here’s a question , say you buy any of these bikes go solo off road and drop your bike on an uneven slippery surface. There is only one bike that can be reasonably picked up alone , and that is the Honda 300 rally. And at 152 kg wet , it’s not a doddle either , if you are a fit young guy nothing is very heavy , but for the average older person anything near 200kg wet is bloody heavy to lift solo. Remember your footing could be slipping , you could be on a hill ect . Add some luggage and that CF moto could weigh 210kg .
The 300 rally might be lighter than the rest, but it also carries it's weight a lot higher, with having more ground clearance. Where that weight is located makes a lot of difference too, so I'd expect the KTM and Enfield to be easier to pick up than you'd think if you only look at the number on the spec sheet.
I might be simply poorly informed and I understand that steel may get used more than aluminium beams when it comes to off-road machinery due to ease of repair and durability but seriously why are these so heavy? 200 kgs is heavier than a lot of late 90s 750cc sports bikes, with bigger engines and bigger wheels/tyres etc. I just dont understand quite why these are so heavy
I love how this test was done. Would be fun to see the lap time of even little trail bike like a KLX230R (hint: it would be a fair bit faster). I have an option in Canada you don't have in the UK and so I will still go with a 30 year old design DR650 for mixed highway and dirt use. I won't bore you with the long list of reasons why. Those who know know why.
You either want an adventure bike or a trail bike, there will be ALWAYS compromise somewhere most adventure bikes these days do the job just fine. If you do a lot of off tracks then go small and light if you do mostly fair gravel roads and long highway rides then go bigger most of us are average riders not racers I like to see the country I'm riding through not letting wizz by.
Enjoyed the vid, but if you're going to do an "Adventure" bike comparison, you have to include luggage. And its ability to comfortable carry & load her up. Personally, I put a deposit down on the Enfield, then the CF Moto was released at the same price point. I really wanted a twin & last year was looking for a low Km F800gs for the right price. I debated for a month or so between the Moto and the Enfield, eventually sticking with my first choice, the Enfield. Only time & thousands of k traveled will confirm I made the right purchase. I still have a nice KLX400r for local rides. Cheers from Downunder. 👍 PS: I have fitted a RE Engine/Sump guard, a Luggage Plate, Taller Screen Barkbusters, bar risers & will most likely add a more comfortable "Adventure" seat I have long legs. Yes it is heavier than I would like, hopefully not picking it up too often. Well, that's the plan, 35% tar, 65% dirk roads/trails if I map well. Fuel range was also a consideration.
Eh...Honda is known to be bulletproof. Voge is a questionmark and I'd rather bet on Honda. I dare say by the time a CRF breaks down, two Voges have broken down before it.
Great video, I've been using the KTM 390 adventure (currently 26,000 km) for the third year to travel and do enduro hiking on ACT and TET tracks. And I love this motorcycle, it's just perfect for my height. A 390 adventur R would be perfect, with the Explorer suspension. Maybe it'll come next year😀
I rode a friends and it just has too many shortcomings for the price in the USA. Speedo is a joke. It should only go up to 85 mph so it is more useful than only being in the first 30 percent of the range all the time. No tachometer. Poor fuel economy. Smallish tank combined with poor fuel economy means little range. Stock seat is not comfortable. Pogo stick suspension. Wanted to like it.
Interesting video :) having owned the 300 Rally, Himalayan 411(rejected for refund full of issues only made it to 500 miles) 2x 390 adv (rejected for refund full of issues at 147. And 269 miles) 30+ other bikes including 1920s Nortons and 1200gsa’s / v stroms an My currently 1150gsa you guys missed the best current one. The Honda Nx 500 sold our T7 for one an the Nx500 got my dad riding motorcycles again after his stage 3b/4 prostate cancer surgery an through his current radio therapy. I don’t know when adventure ended up becoming enduro riding tbh but it’s all cool everyone likes different things for me I love riding long distance on the tarmac and gravel and seeing new places and for that the Nx has been the perfect fit and I’m about to buy a 2nd one so we have one each. Plenty have took the older cb’ rtw :) It’d be interesting if you guys took them from lands end to John o groats that’s a more realistic test I think for what most of us are doing long distance comfort etc an do some easy green lanes at the trf code of conduct speeds as they will all work differently at that speed. If I was going green laning again id choose the 300 rally an put the level 1 rally raid shock on again to sort the abysmal suspension out. Nice to see someone mentioning that btw. Really enjoyed the video and back n forward talking :)
Really loved the review and comparisons! I appreciated and felt I could understand and "follow" your different points of view. I own a 2020 ktm 390 adventure and couldn't agree more with the weird riding position standing up and the good road going it has. I agree with the comments, it's a 390 duke touring version. 😁
The CF-Moto is a blast to ride, yet fuel consumption and 5000km service intervals puts it behind the Transalp for me, gaining double power, Honda quality and almost the same weight. My CRF300 Rally is also a blast to ride and I always thought I´d keep that as my second bike til my death. I´m not so sure anymore. ;) Very good test!
@@slakk5093 yes they are. My brother has one and its now i think 10000 km or one year. It is staten in his documents . And also a 5 uear warranty. This is in sweden.
@@Fiatmannen1 must be different in Sweden, talked to my local dealer last Saturday, 5000km interval and they haven’t heard of it being changed. 450sr using the same engine has been out for over a year and is still 5000km interval
I want the 450mt! Looks like the most well rounded fun bike of the group! I'm planning on selling my 800MT because I don't do as much highway as I thought...
I suspect you don't get the Hero Xpulse Rally in the UK? It's a 200cc, 18-19bhp machine with adjustable suspension and great GC. It's pretty cheap and extremely capable. Like a CRF with better suspension and cheaper to run.
I mean I'm sure most people riding dual sport/off road adventure bikes, don't care much about overtaking at speed limits whilst on knobbies. And if the CF moto does overtake, I'm sure the Honda will eventually pass the Chinese bike broken down in the layby down the road 😉😀
Good test guys. I am glad you are testing this class. I did like the final choice was more balanced however, being adventure bikes, a true adventure test should have been done- with full luggage, over multiple days. When I ride for weeks in remote areas, trying to not break the bike or myself, but still ride over different terrain with all my luggage on-board, things change. In that regard, the KTM actually feels really good because of the weight distribution. I haven't had any other adventure bike leave me behind in the trails but I am also not rushing. Adventure is about enjoying the scenery, not zooming through everything. I think the Enfield would do good in that regard- or any of the bikes in this test. While my pick would still be the KTM, CF Moto definitely injects a new spiciness to the field.
Either the Honda or the CF moto for me. The KTM isn't an off-roader at all. I'm looking at the bikes from a more off-road bias. To be honest if I was looking more towards a road ride. I'd probs end up with a naked bigger engined bike.
I want to ride these bikes like this: 1) To work/zotting around town doing this and that 2) On a fire trail/gravel road 3) On tour, doing the speed limit, comfy taters, eating up the kloms 4) Single track like this to get somewhere, paddling and going slow cos I don't want to be repairing it all the time, either from decking it or from wearing it and me out I would never ride one of these bikes in this manner, I am more interested in TCO per year, longevity, resale tbh cheers :)
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Which one would you pick?
KTM
CFMoto hands down. They're on a roll making some fantastic machines.
The Kawasaki Versys X 300
I’d easily pick the Honda over the others, and the RE would be 2nd.
CF450 for me, deposit to be made
Like the thoroughness, though I’d argue adventure bikes shouldn’t be judged by lap times but by comfort and confidence in varied terrain.
Yea exactly. I doesn't matter how many bits you bolt on the crf300 and that it needs new suspension it's still a dual sport, and it will always win on an enduro lap.
But it's clearly not the best option for what the majority of people actually use an adventure bike for.
Reliability also
I picture advs as 70 on-road, 30 off-road while duel sports are the opposite. The Honda is closer to duel sport, and the KTM is more sport touring. I think they should have tested road performance, as well as long distance off-road comfort.
He literally addresses that around the 24 minute mark. The course and the lap times are just an objective way to find/define differences between the bikes.
I totally agree with you. While these guys might be good riders in the dirt, they do not appear to me as experienced adventure riders.
Interesting. But, to me, selecting an adventure bike only makes sense if you are doing some sort of range/touring. Otherwise, even a basic dirt/dual sport will spank these bikes in the woods. Matters like - "how livable and usable is the bike loaded w/ your gear on it?" become important. As well as things like, comfort- noise/heat - reliability - serviceability - range - etc might prioritize higher than pure woods performance.
Yes, I found this quite a stupid comparison, single track stuff wasn't the intended purpose of those bikes at all
Spot on.
Valid points
I completely agree, they lost the point completely 😅
@@carlmega9712 That’s why I’ve chosen the 450MT as my next bike - it has just that little bit extra of everything that the others don’t have that make the journey getting to the adventure that bit more comfortable and bearable.
I've had my 300 Rally for over three years now. Upgrade the suspension and it's a great bike. Still hasn't left me stranded.
bad engine. bad transmission ratios. bad gear ratios. inefficient engine. high fuel. for what? reliability. hah
@@calakask5485 🤣
My 1 year old rally with 19,000 klm from new is still at the dealership waiting on top end parts.
Been off the road for 3 months so far.
Am enjoying my new MT450
As soon as the rally is repaired it's for sale.
Honda Australia and the selling dealer are pathetic.
@@stevendunbabin1879 and I forgot. bad shock absorbers
@@calakask5485wtf does “high fuel” mean? And 60-70mpg isn’t good enough for you? Honestly not sure what your actual gripes are but maybe try completing your thoughts and sentences next time.
My 250 Rally has 146,000km in less than 6 years - I still love it and will never sell it; however, I'd happily add the CFmoto to my driveway.
121.000km here on a 2017 Rally
@@overboost7667 That's great man. They are cracking bikes. I have to admit, I did change out the piston, rings, barrel, valves and cam chain around 130,000... BUT... that's only because she was just starting to sip oil, and I mean sip. At that mileage, I thought, yeah, makes sense. Still runs really strong. One of the smallest bikes I've owned, but definitely one of the most loved.
I fear for the future of humanity
Did you restore something in the 146.000km? Did something broke? What about the motor?
If you take the centre stand off the Himalayan, it’s the same wet weight as the CFMoto 450mt, or if you add a centre stand to the 450mt, it again becomes the same wet weight as the Himalayan
Really that's amazing
What ?! NO WAY 😮😂😂😂
if you take the head of you, would be much less weight :D
The CFMOTO already launched an update that corrects that jerkiness on the throttle! Much smoother now ! If you do primarily road a 15 tooth front sprocket is a must have !
I have the first ever 450MT in my country in Madagascar and so far, I am loving it! I have dropped it a few times but it's tons of fun!
How many KM? any issues?
Salama , très bon choix j adore aussi mes pour l entretien et les routes l himalayen c est mieux pour Madagascar
China junk.
Here's a show idea; 8 minute segments that follow owners of particular models. From shopping and purchading, how they store and use it, maintenance, and costs incl insurance.
considering RE is iving global warranty, RE himalayan is made for world touring
Yes is very heavy but I can't see my self touring on any of the others. Depends what you want.
I went with the Himalayan & will be of on my first long ride for a few weeks soon.😁
Get what you can fix yourself with basic tools are spares go anywhere
CF Moto offers that too and as far I've to know now they've got a dealership almost every country you can think of now or will have soon if they aren't there already!
@@malachigrey4895 DR650!
Thanks to all of you who contributed to making this great video. Well done 👏
I’m literally stuck between choosing the Himalayan or the 450MT. I like the 450MT more because it is superior in every way to the Himalayan, except for fuel consumption. 5.5 liters per 100 km is a bit high; if you use high RPM, it easily reaches 6.5 liters per 100 km. Come on, CFMoto, it’s only 450 cc, and that’s too much.
Royal Enfield's fuel consumption is impressive-3.5 liters per 100 km. My friend has it, and when he pushes its limits, it’s a maximum of 3.8 liters, and he said he’s seen an average of 2.8 liters when riding in another city, around 90-100 km per hour. The Himalayan is best for fuel efficiency.
My heart tells me to buy the 450MT, but fuel is very expensive where I live, so my brain tells me to buy the Himalayan. I’m tired of this dilemma; it’s even in my dreams lately.
Buy Himalayan, it will last longer.
My 450 MT is getting around 3.7 l/100km. Cheers
I have a scrambler 900 and thinking of one of these as second bike. I’ve seen the CF Moto in the highway and it’s not pretty 😅 the gear ratio seems very short and you end up revving the engine more than you’d like. Also: it has no rev limiter and services are scheduled every 5.000 instead of every 10.000 km, says a lot about what their expectations are
if you can, I say wait a couple more months. let more info about the bike come out things will become clearer soon.
been riding my mt 450 on mixed terrain for some time now and i never got anything higher than 4.4 li/100kms ...
Thanks guys...excellent job! Yes weight is the #1 issue facing anyone riding off road. The 300lb Rule which states "Any bike that leaves the pavement should weigh less than 300 lbs" should be considered by anyone wanting to ride off road. It is only a "Rule" for me :).
Whatever wins doesn’t matter. They’re all better than a 1300Gs or equivalent Multistrada
Those are touring bikes that can go on a bit of dirt.
@@nicksokolis6343 you can tour on any of these except the Honda.
My mate had a 1200Gs and bought a 390 Adventure, he says it’s way more fun.
😂😂😂 you have been smoking crack
I truly miss my R1200GS as it was a great tourer.
Until you do a roadtrip
Bought the Enfield to save my old Moto Morini Enduro.. I can be comfortable on it even with my 1,96m. For my kind of riding its perfect. 1-2 hours to get somewhere i can legally go off the road by the Autobahn and it dose it better than my Bmw r80 from 82´ and it takes half of the fuel for that. Off the road im also happy, i do more often the kind of riding the TeT provides and on flowy fast sand like in the Netherlands it feels (like they said) long and stable. Would definitely buy it again!
Moto Morini Enduro is a really cool Unicorn bike! You are very blessed to have one. Much respect from the land of enchantment.
Are you talking about a Camel 501?
@@francescoporcari8597 choose kanguro or camel 🫶
I recently bought a cfmoto quad, 400 touring to replace a 2022 Polaris 570 touring two up, top of the line. The polaris was a nice fast quad but lived in the shop, the cfmoto is an amazing little machine that is great on fuel and hauls me and my wife around all day in comfort, was $7000 less than the comparable new polaris plus comes with a five year warranty, to say CFMoto has come a long way is an understatement
Yeah CFmoto quad are popular here and from what I know people are happy with it. What I want to say is that CFmoto is not really a new kid in the block and their new motorcycles might be quite cool. And I am not really a fan of Chinese products and I own a CRF300L (after I sold the XT660Z).
I dont believe it polaris ftw they make the best 4 wheelers haters gonna hate
The ktm seems more like a touring version of a duke than an adventure
KTM should have named it the Duke 390 Touring
Or Duke 390 GT
2025 update is gonna blow everyone's mind, hands down.
The KTM seat is abnormally hard and seat height is annoyingly high. Doesn't KTM have like 20 models with high seats couldn't they make this model with a lower more comfortable seat?
@@beamdoctor5637 the seat is not that high. It is however wider. I’m not sure where you get your information from but I have a 2023 with the factory saddle and it is absolutely fantastic compared to my dual sport and dirt bikes. I can sit in that seat for hours.
Spectacular comparison. I analyzed all four models and the conclusions were identical to those in your test. A few days ago I ordered CF Moto. Thanks for confirmation. Riding the Honda was crazy!
bought Himalayan 452 enjoying it
Yes will not buy cfmoto
Say no to communists and ccp
You will enjoy may be 1 or 2 years then you will not enjoy the aftermath of reliability issues😂😂😂
@@subramanip8434 not looking for your advice, let me make up my own mind, thanks
@@BBhatt-pi5obsay no to capitalism and US authoritarianism
Dang!! Your preview launching each bike had me hooked. Probably not something I’ll ever do but riding a bike put to this test makes me know it’ll survive anything I bring it to.
What a great great video! I saw a lot of videos related to the CF Moto 450 abd you nailed it with this one! Interesting fun very professional
Great video and agree with the conclusion - I was lucky enough to get one of the first batch of CFMOTO 450MT's in the UK - its a great all round package and a really good price - the throttle is not smooth at low speeds in traffic but an over the air engine map update and a 15 tooth sprocket to replace the 14 tooth at the front has noticeably improved things. Its got a lot presence - I've noticed a lot of people take notice of the bike. The engine is really good fun, the handling is great, good wind protection - the stock seat is too low for me at 6'1" knees are bent a lot to get feet on the pegs - I have a tall seat on order that puts the seat height at around 870mm - overall though im really happy....at work but want to go out on it now 😜
Royal enfield is not a off-road specific motorcycle, it is specifically for travelling distances on broken up roads like the Himalayas and doing trails as a part of travel and not timed sport.
It's meant to be a do it all machine In a relaxed and enjoyable manner without rushing. IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH SPORT OR TIME TRIAL .
But it still did way better than anyone expected, that defines Royal Enfield.
@@tuhinroy6852 you can say that, but I still feel, putting any of these motorcycles except the Honda in a time attack is a disservice. EVEN THOUGH IF IT PROVES HOW CAPABLE THEY ARE😅
Spot on
Himalayan rally version is yet to be launched & this test deserved it
The rear brake bias is a uniquely off road bikes thing. The problem is manufacturers have weakened rear brakes and so riders have lost the skill using rear brakes. It is an offroad bike but it requires skill.
Royal Enfield Himalayan!! 💯
There's really no comparison for price, reliability, and 3 year warranty. This bike has been proven around the world all over youtube.
@@xxhotelcrazyxx I think that I would buy a left over or lightly used first generation Himalayan at a great price and would be very happy with it. I'm 71 years old and not in that much of a hurry and just stay off the interstate hiways. It's a little lighter, air cooled and less complicated.
and with the popularity of the CFMoto - there's a shed load of accessories available day one. Prices are good too. I've kitted mine out for adventure touring with alloy top box and panniers, taller screen, crash and sump guards, AUX lights and a 2nd Carplay screen - for very little outlay. It's a comfy road ride and great on the dirt roads and trails
Great comparison test, and great riding my Michael, the cf moto mt450 is getting some good reviews 👍
Nice to see the DRZ400 come out on top once again.
LOL - I think you can only by them in the US at this point.
@@anxiousappliance worth the move.
The DRZ is really good the only thing that I hate about it it’s the 5 speed gearbox except that I really like it
@@anxiousappliance can get em in Iceland aswell, great bike
Only because they didn't include the WR250R! 😂😂😂
I own a KTM390 ADV, we've done 9000kms (roughly 6000miles). This review is spot on. Great bike on the road, love the responsive engine and electronic bits and bobs. I've ridden on gravel and sand around Mundaring and Boranup in WA and had great fun. However, riding position is awkward with pegs too high/bars too low, not enough clearance etc. I love the bike and I'm not desperate to get rid of it but wish I'd listened to Ryan Fort Nine, saved a grand and got the Duke or RC instead.
Only Himalayan 450
this comparison video is just awesome. what I exactly wanted to see! thanks great work!
Totally not surprised with the off-road time result. I don’t normally ride for speed off-road. I ride for the fun of off-road and the pleasure of being in nature and I look around my environment rather than focusing on riding skill. The journey is far more important than the destination. After having both the CRF 250 and an XR650, the CRF is much more fun. It depends on your priorities. I’m heavy. I wouldn’t take a CRF on a road trip greater than maybe 100 miles. It wouldn’t be appropriate for the bike. But if the 100 miles were all off-road, without a doubt the CRF would be more fun. The perfect road trip is to put the CRF on a trailer behind a pickup truck, get to the wilderness, and then have fun.
I understand the click bait title but we really need to stop with this "what's the best..." kind of reviews and videos. Every model excels at something that suits a diferent riding style for a particular person, some choose performance, others reliability while others might value style or plain budget. The good thing is that nowdays there is a bike for virtually anyone to enjoy. 😗
Top video guys! CF moto have finally unlocked the UK with this bike. Shame they can't supply enough units to meet demand.
And the 800MT 👌
Is it a Chinese brand?
@@PaulB-q3d they manufacture bikes for KTM and Yamaha. Their own brand bikes might be 'new' to certain markets, but they've been in the motorcycle making business for years ...
That being said, I still don't want to be an early adopter for the CF MOTO 450 ... I'll probably buy one in 3 years if the early adopters are still happy with them by then.
@@DD-co1zn Thats the way to go... A friend of mine got one and has nothing but problems... Stripped screws from factory, loose screws on the engine, bike randomly not starting etc. And the spare parts situation is lets call it interesting. If they can figure things out they cold become a great alternative to the established manufaturers
@@leon81061 source: trust me bro
Trying to decide between these bikes, this video answered all my questions and ones I didn't realize I wanted to know, good job.
CF MOTO really thought out the 450MT. The only thing I can ding it for is its weight. If they could find a way to lighten the 450 by 15-20 lbs without adding a much cost would be great. That said, the 450 is the one to beat for a well rounded, well put together, and well equipped ADV motorcycle. This is a motorcycle that can take you from beginner to intermediate ADV riding with ease.
The MADtv review of it does mention it carries the weight quite well.
But with a full exhaust, lithium battery, and removing the passenger pegs you could drop a good chunk of that weight you want gone. If you really wanted then replacing some fasteners and other parts drops the rest.
All depends on how much money you want to spend.
But of course you are then adding some of that weight back on with a skid plate, barkbusters, and side bags.
It's a simple equation that applies to anything two wheels - moto or bicycle.
Light.
Reliable.
Inexpensive.
Pick any two.
Such a great way to compare bikes, so much fun. Thanks a lot 🙌
Should've included the Voge 300 Rally in the test, since the major complaint with the Honda was the stock suspension then the Voge would've given you what is equivalently a Honda with better stock suspension.
No doubts about ir! I've had a CRF 250 Rally, a CRF 300L and now a Voge 300 Rally. Less smooth engine but much more fun to Ride. Ir would bem the fastest on these track!
@xeno. Agreed. My friend has one … It is trusted and competent
At half the price too
Michael Guy is a cracking off road rider. Great stuff folks. Really enjoyed watching this and great feedback on the bikes 👍
CF Moto is definitely coming......
They are not playing. I live in Italy and my motorcycle friends are positive about this brand. Italians like the design, the tech and affordability of CF moto and the KTM developed engines was a Master stroke by CF moto to gain acceptance at least in Italy.
Its already here
Chinese crap won't last.
@@leulgeorgis3216same here in Mexico especially where I live there is a bunch of mountains and off roads this bike absolutely does wonders over here and is hitting the market
What a great test, really sums up what the internets opinion on these bikes is and provides proof. Liked it a lot
"First kind of twin to market in this class".
The Versys X 300 never gets any love. It should have replaced the Honda in this test because it's not really an adventure bike.
YES YES YES... its a shame that everybody forgets the Versys 300! Strange Concept, but can do it all If you dived into it
The mighty Dirt Ninja. So many people sleep on that bike. I’d love to see it in comparos.
Probably because nobody bought one
A real pity Kawasaki hasn’t added its 450 twin to the Versys!
@@SemiDad ...or its 650 twin to the KLR.
Thank you for yet another great video.
I've been traveling The Americas since June last year, covering 50.000 km on a CRF 300 Rally. With a few mods it's a good travel bike. It makes tricky stuff so much easier compared to a heavier bike. As an unpleasant surprise reliability has been an issue...
Of the 4 bikes in this shootout I would pick the 300 Rally again for a journey like the one I'm currently doing. The 450 MT would be my second choice.
Any bike a Mongolian shepherd is using. I gues something like Honda CG125 or it's clones.
Exactly my thoughts! There are people that circumnavigate the world on a 40 year old Honda CG125 that puts out 10hp, yet some dudes need perfect 100hp+ bikes, and ohh it must have such and such Bridgestone or Michelin tyres. 😅
@@ampm9771 westerners spoiled with smooth tarmac and high speed highways. I loved riding the honda posties but they do feel like a toy when you get out on the highway.
@@SkyBums Anyway highways are the most boring kind of the roads. So it's a good reason to avoid them.
@@306Geni Mostly, but sometimes after hacking through the backroads, it is a joy to open it up and flow like a river. LOL
Ha ha - for sure, but I'd bet the shepherd would take the honda at the drop of a hat.
Great test! and compliments to how you guy's are wording things! Really makes me feel I understand the bike a bit more.
33:55 : The most important thing.
"I'm enjoying it."
. One of the best reveiws I've seen well done and thank you for concreting my purchase today .. cf450 🎉😂
I have some concerns about the longevity of the trio piston/rings/cylinder of the RE Himalayan. A measure of the cylinder piston stresses is the piston speed in meters second. The consensus Is 20 ms. Even a Honda CBR600RR is at just 20 m/s at 14250 RPM, a GS 1250 also 20 m/s. Even a turbo Ford Zetec 2.0 also 20 m/s. I can multiply the examples on motorcycles, cars, boats and even water cooled 4S plane engines.
On the RE Himalayan the stroke is 81.5 mm and the power RPM is 8000, that gives a staggering piston speed of 21.3 meters second. To keep the piston at a decent speed of 13 m/s you have to stay under 5000 RPM, and that gives a pretty low speed on road as it's simply a 450 with maybe 145 kmh top speed at max RPM.
For comparison the 650 Suzuki DRSE was 82 mm with 6500 max power RPM, and the DRSE cylinder piston had generally a 50000 km cylinder/piston life, a little abuse on cruising speed on the autobahn shortened the piston life. Similar stroke, but far less RPM.
The longest life of the piston cylinder on a big mono was on the Yamaha XTZ 660, 84 mm stroke but only 6000 RPM with a top speed of 170 kmh, so at 110 you were around 4000 RPM with a piston speed of 11.2 m/s. There is no secret, it's in all the good engineering books.
The 450 MT, bi-cylinder 270°, has a stroke of 55.2 mm. At 8500 rpm the pistons speed is 15.64 m/s, at 6500 rpm while cruising, the piston speed is a comfortable 11.96 ms. With a 15 teeth sprocket the speed is 112 kmh. There is no match with the RE, you can make ten hours like that and the engine won't suffer.
Absolute Right You ar.
Let's see 🙈
how about the piston speed of the Wr250r?
@@nathanmaurice4103 With 53.6 mm of stroke, the WR250R has to rev until 12000 RPM to attain the same piston speed as the Himalayan at 8000. That won' happen often...
If I remember well the WR250R has about 28 HP at 10000 RPM with a piston speed of 17.87 m/s.
Sorry i dont understand everything.. So is the Himalayan not a good choice?
Brilliant format. Great to finally see these bikes stretched on a track. Just to get a view of their limitations.
Nice review!
I like this format better than other comparisons.
I think the CF Moto would be the one for me.
Good to see an honest review
Nice comparison guys. Enjoyed it. So I have a CRF Rally and looking at possibly trading for 450MT. Before I do I am in the process of installing CRF with 301 big bore kit and stage 3 ECU to see if this changes my mind.
That was a great review, informative, entertaining, and great skills display from the rider/tester 😁
Love my 390. The best compromise imo. 2 trouble free years btw. Mostly offroad.
Really extensive observation of every factor in adventure touring. Thank you
You missed voge 300 rally😢
Think that would surprise even the Honda.👍
Horrible looking machine
I have a 390 SW, adapting the riding position was an easy job. Tilted the handelbar more Up and changed the peggs for SWmotech EVOs. Made all the difference.
Next step is changine from Anakee Adventure to Karoo 4.
Seatwise i just can't say anything about the stock one, as i changed since day one to the powerparts Rally-seat.
If you're going to be doing big road kilometers I think the CFMoto makes more sense, especially if you are carrying anything, I think the CFMoto is the only bike here where you could even consider a pillion passenger.
I love ripping my CRF300L, everywhere....I rip it hard on road, I find it handles amazingly. Off road, it's a little struggly with the soft suspension but, it's doable.
I'm glad to see you guys really like the CF. They're selling like hot cakes down under as well!
Gross
Such an enjoyable video despite me not having any skin in the game whatsoever. Watching Michael manhandle these bikes around the woods makes me wish we could see what he could do with some real off-road specials. Full-fat enduros? I don't know... just bikes with top-end suspension. I'd love that. I bet Michael would too!
Come on Mate - if you want a more road focused bike then you would get a Honda NX 500 (it's not rocket science) 🙂
No Mate - you would get a Hayabusa. In the end, it is always the answer.
@@anxiousappliance you're wrong, Hayabusa isn't always the answer. However if you were to say turbo busa, that would definitely be the answer.
@@CarbonRP😂😂
@@anxiousappliance you misspelled turbo busa
But the honda is tedious and dull
Absolutely love these comparison vids!
The KTM is drastically improved by 3 mods. 14 tooth front sprocket, flat footpegs and bar risers. Fixes every issue they complained about.
Still need spoke wheels. $1000
I have the sprocket but haven't put it on yet. Its good with the 15. Foot pegs for sure. I not only did bar risers but put on protaper evo high adventure bars. The better geometry makes all the difference
@@jonasbaine3538 my 2023 came with spoke wheels
@@jonasbaine3538it has spoked wheels
@@jonasbaine3538 I have the sw version. It’s great
Great video guys, very fun to watch.
The 390 definitely needs fork extensions and progressive fork springs for around $250 and flat pegs. That I agree with. After you fix the front end geometry the bike turns into a weapon due to the lower 172kg wet weight. Some might argue that you shouldn't have to upgrade a new bike but then again the 450MT needs crash bars and the CRF300 needs suspension upgrades as well so it turns into a wash.
Yes, I made the same, I feel so good!
spot-on on the fork ext and spring mods, but once the front is raised, the stock pegs flatten out.. now you got a lil offroad beast on your hand 😁
It's still insanely heavy for a small one cylinder bike.
@@Gud-y2s it's literally the lightest ADV bike that can comfortably cruise on the highway. Only bike I can think of that would compare is the Kove 450 Rally.
@@furadride852 a 690 is 30 kg lighter, with ABS etc. Front fairing weighs 3 kg maybe.
Great Test!
The best i've ever seen!
I would be interested to see what times bikes like the tenere and the transalp would get on that track.
I think you guys should tour with these bikes for atleast a full day in different terrains, that would be a great video & should provide great insights for the viewer
I have tested the RE, the triumph 400 and the CFMOTO...I ordered the CF now it's the waiting...😅
Nice job on the video was fun extremely informational!
Great comparison! Enfield for me. but, the CF...hmmm
Cfmoto 450 MT is the current king of the midweight ADV market.
Unbeatable value for the package you get at such a low price. Get the OEM high seat mod and you're golden.
Although if you have more cash to spend, I'd go for the KTM 690 Enduro R or the AJP PR7.
Brilliant journalism, well done MCN 👏
I though this was a totally useless test, single track stuff isn't the domain of these bikes, totally wrong comparison....
It would have been really interesting if you included the Kove 450
That's way too expensive against these
I always overlooked chinese brands, but for the price CFMoto really got it all. Adjustable suspensions, tubeless spoke wheels, hand/engine guards, electronics, led lights, twin engine and all for 6000 €: terrific value for the money!
Here’s a question , say you buy any of these bikes go solo off road and drop your bike on an uneven slippery surface.
There is only one bike that can be reasonably picked up alone , and that is the Honda 300 rally.
And at 152 kg wet , it’s not a doddle either , if you are a fit young guy nothing is very heavy , but for the average older person anything near 200kg wet is bloody heavy to lift solo.
Remember your footing could be slipping , you could be on a hill ect .
Add some luggage and that CF moto could weigh 210kg .
The 300 rally might be lighter than the rest, but it also carries it's weight a lot higher, with having more ground clearance. Where that weight is located makes a lot of difference too, so I'd expect the KTM and Enfield to be easier to pick up than you'd think if you only look at the number on the spec sheet.
I’ve come from 1250GS which I can pick up as 56yo pen-pusher. The 450MT is so much easier. But you still make a fair comparison.
I might be simply poorly informed and I understand that steel may get used more than aluminium beams when it comes to off-road machinery due to ease of repair and durability but seriously why are these so heavy? 200 kgs is heavier than a lot of late 90s 750cc sports bikes, with bigger engines and bigger wheels/tyres etc. I just dont understand quite why these are so heavy
@@jimstartup2729200 k is what 360 lbs
Exciting times ahead in the “light”-adv segment!
Can’t wait to see how Japan’s Big 4 react to these bikes.
They should refurbish their 650's.
So why is the Voge gy 300 rally not in this test?
I love how this test was done. Would be fun to see the lap time of even little trail bike like a KLX230R (hint: it would be a fair bit faster). I have an option in Canada you don't have in the UK and so I will still go with a 30 year old design DR650 for mixed highway and dirt use. I won't bore you with the long list of reasons why. Those who know know why.
You either want an adventure bike or a trail bike, there will be ALWAYS compromise somewhere most adventure bikes these days do the job just fine. If you do a lot of off tracks then go small and light if you do mostly fair gravel roads and long highway rides then go bigger most of us are average riders not racers I like to see the country I'm riding through not letting wizz by.
Enjoyed the vid, but if you're going to do an "Adventure" bike comparison, you have to include luggage. And its ability to comfortable carry & load her up. Personally, I put a deposit down on the Enfield, then the CF Moto was released at the same price point. I really wanted a twin & last year was looking for a low Km F800gs for the right price.
I debated for a month or so between the Moto and the Enfield, eventually sticking with my first choice, the Enfield.
Only time & thousands of k traveled will confirm I made the right purchase. I still have a nice KLX400r for local rides.
Cheers from Downunder. 👍
PS: I have fitted a RE Engine/Sump guard, a Luggage Plate, Taller Screen Barkbusters, bar risers & will most likely add a more comfortable "Adventure" seat I have long legs. Yes it is heavier than I would like, hopefully not picking it up too often. Well, that's the plan, 35% tar, 65% dirk roads/trails if I map well. Fuel range was also a consideration.
One bike missing that would have taken the Honda on for sure. The Voge 300 Rally and would have spanked the lot for value for money
Eh...Honda is known to be bulletproof. Voge is a questionmark and I'd rather bet on Honda. I dare say by the time a CRF breaks down, two Voges have broken down before it.
Exactly, better suspension, Voge has better complete package. And 5 years of warranty…
true
@@scannorserally raid suspension set up on the 300 rally is very capable. You’re not limited to the stock suspension😉
@@finesoul677 nor limited to engine, tank, handlebar….nor limited to boring Honda
Great video, I've been using the KTM 390 adventure (currently 26,000 km) for the third year to travel and do enduro hiking on ACT and TET tracks. And I love this motorcycle, it's just perfect for my height.
A 390 adventur R would be perfect, with the Explorer suspension.
Maybe it'll come next year😀
I just picked up a DR650, loving the simplicity.
Have fun with it 🎉
I rode a friends and it just has too many shortcomings for the price in the USA. Speedo is a joke. It should only go up to 85 mph so it is more useful than only being in the first 30 percent of the range all the time. No tachometer. Poor fuel economy. Smallish tank combined with poor fuel economy means little range. Stock seat is not comfortable. Pogo stick suspension. Wanted to like it.
@@Dave-sw2dm bro it’s reliable and capable and cheaper than the garbage you can buy at a KTM dealership and a DR isn’t built for comfort
@@Samura458 , I have no interest in a KTM. My buddy ended up being $10k into his DR after all the "necessary " mods.
@@Dave-sw2dm OMG 10k in a DR he sure loves it 💀
Great review guys. Enjoyed that.
Interesting video :) having owned the 300 Rally, Himalayan 411(rejected for refund full of issues only made it to 500 miles) 2x 390 adv (rejected for refund full of issues at 147. And 269 miles) 30+ other bikes including 1920s Nortons and 1200gsa’s / v stroms an My currently 1150gsa you guys missed the best current one.
The Honda Nx 500 sold our T7 for one an the Nx500 got my dad riding motorcycles again after his stage 3b/4 prostate cancer surgery an through his current radio therapy.
I don’t know when adventure ended up becoming enduro riding tbh but it’s all cool everyone likes different things for me I love riding long distance on the tarmac and gravel and seeing new places and for that the Nx has been the perfect fit and I’m about to buy a 2nd one so we have one each. Plenty have took the older cb’ rtw :)
It’d be interesting if you guys took them from lands end to John o groats that’s a more realistic test I think for what most of us are doing long distance comfort etc an do some easy green lanes at the trf code of conduct speeds as they will all work differently at that speed.
If I was going green laning again id choose the 300 rally an put the level 1 rally raid shock on again to sort the abysmal suspension out. Nice to see someone mentioning that btw.
Really enjoyed the video and back n forward talking :)
Really loved the review and comparisons! I appreciated and felt I could understand and "follow" your different points of view. I own a 2020 ktm 390 adventure and couldn't agree more with the weird riding position standing up and the good road going it has. I agree with the comments, it's a 390 duke touring version. 😁
The CF-Moto is a blast to ride, yet fuel consumption and 5000km service intervals puts it behind the Transalp for me, gaining double power, Honda quality and almost the same weight. My CRF300 Rally is also a blast to ride and I always thought I´d keep that as my second bike til my death. I´m not so sure anymore. ;) Very good test!
Intervals are revised
@@Fiatmannen1 no they havent been.. why are people making this sh!+ up? Interval is still 5000KM
@@slakk5093 yes they are. My brother has one and its now i think 10000 km or one year. It is staten in his documents . And also a 5 uear warranty. This is in sweden.
@@Fiatmannen1 must be different in Sweden, talked to my local dealer last Saturday, 5000km interval and they haven’t heard of it being changed. 450sr using the same engine has been out for over a year and is still 5000km interval
@@slakk5093 wich country?
I want the 450mt! Looks like the most well rounded fun bike of the group! I'm planning on selling my 800MT because I don't do as much highway as I thought...
Putting a 15th tooth front sprocket on the CFMOTO is life changing
In a negative way. The standard gearing is the best solution for the market the bike is aimed at. It sounds as though you need a diesel hatchback.
why?
@@JimmyQuince overrated its only about 500rpms
@@PowertekSolar-rm2ds Australian Roads
450 mt for the win!! I would have it over all the others.
With the 450MT, I believe CF Moto have finally overcome the prejudice against Chinese bikes. There will be a lot of head scratching by other marques.
and there's a software download that fixes the throttle issue.
The Macbor/Kove500 already did that, which btw is more comfy bikes, weight around the same, more power
@@scannorse I wouldn't know, Kove not available in Oz. Unlike the 450MT which is a big seller over here.
Haha nice work from cf Pr team
@@interstellargod6959 carrots and potatoes…
I love the Mt! My previous bike was the BMW GS 310, the MT is miles better. No disrespect to the Baby GS, I loved that bike!
I suspect you don't get the Hero Xpulse Rally in the UK? It's a 200cc, 18-19bhp machine with adjustable suspension and great GC. It's pretty cheap and extremely capable. Like a CRF with better suspension and cheaper to run.
It doesn’t have enough hp 😢
@@Samura458 its a pretty light bike only 153 kg.
@@randombully3798 almost the same has my DRZ
@@Samura458 For the trails its enough tbh. For the daily grind, yeah you're stuck in double digits.
@@abhishekjmadan the hero xpulse doesn’t look bad fr
I agree with your comments, I love my CF Moto for road use, it rips and great for lane splitting. I haven’t done much off road with it as yet.
Cracking video cfmoto mt number wil over take all the crf's on the road if they could build them quick enough 👍
I mean I'm sure most people riding dual sport/off road adventure bikes, don't care much about overtaking at speed limits whilst on knobbies. And if the CF moto does overtake, I'm sure the Honda will eventually pass the Chinese bike broken down in the layby down the road 😉😀
@isaacgreer65 I was referring to sales of the bike's over taking 👍
Good test guys. I am glad you are testing this class. I did like the final choice was more balanced however, being adventure bikes, a true adventure test should have been done- with full luggage, over multiple days. When I ride for weeks in remote areas, trying to not break the bike or myself, but still ride over different terrain with all my luggage on-board, things change. In that regard, the KTM actually feels really good because of the weight distribution. I haven't had any other adventure bike leave me behind in the trails but I am also not rushing. Adventure is about enjoying the scenery, not zooming through everything. I think the Enfield would do good in that regard- or any of the bikes in this test. While my pick would still be the KTM, CF Moto definitely injects a new spiciness to the field.
Why on earth didnt you bring the Kove 450 Rally along ?? Big fail….. And the Voge 300 Rally ?
As expected. DR650 is the ultimate winner! And BIG FU to SUzuki for not updating it with FI and killing it.
Either the Honda or the CF moto for me. The KTM isn't an off-roader at all. I'm looking at the bikes from a more off-road bias. To be honest if I was looking more towards a road ride. I'd probs end up with a naked bigger engined bike.
I want to ride these bikes like this:
1) To work/zotting around town doing this and that
2) On a fire trail/gravel road
3) On tour, doing the speed limit, comfy taters, eating up the kloms
4) Single track like this to get somewhere, paddling and going slow cos I don't want to be repairing it all the time, either from decking it or from wearing it and me out
I would never ride one of these bikes in this manner,
I am more interested in TCO per year, longevity, resale tbh
cheers :)