I really admire the work that you did in this investigation, and I'm really excited waiting for the Scrambler 400 X review. Thanks a lot for your hard work!
I just noticed that the personality of MOST buyers/owners of Himalayan are not loud. Just like the bike, they prefer to ride and enjoy the scenery, but are equally capable on tough roads if needed to get to their destination. 🍺👍
I suppose it depends from region to region. Here in India from where the company is (now). RE owners are super proud and will DOG on any other bike brand :) So, it's situational. Of course this isn't all RE owners but I can say 80-90% owners.
@@yohaan9 and vice versa i guess,i guess people will throw hate at re no matter what,vibration,no vibration,uses the same engine,doesn't use the same engine,looks retro,doesn't look retro. the ceo must be under pressure all the time 😂😂😂
@@vkrishna0612 aare people will always hate. Fact is their 650's are really good bikes and the new 450 engine is good too. I'm wondering if the 350 engine will be replaced by the 450. RE fanbase is toxic lekin. Sadly :(
@@yohaan9 not just re fan base, re haters too 😂, every other country seems to love the whole re line up, but our country hates that they use the same engine. just because re is open about.
bro, it's my dream bike wanna get one as soon as i can I'm 22 year old from gujrat, India, wann explore whole mother indian with this beast, it's a dream for me.
I am from India, Bought my first bike (Himalayan 450) ever 4 months ago. In love with it man, its beautiful. Like you said that bike spoke to me and sometimes you listen to your heart and not the specifications.
Man, you cover so much details. From when I was still a 450MT fanboy downloading Chinese reviews from Bilibili, downloading both owner's manual PDFs, to seeing and loving the clean kaza brown Himmy and searching for every issue the Indians have in different forums! When I first get the Himmy out of its stand on the MotoMakinaShow, I thought I will live with this, I love the bike anyways. After 2 months, it's an advantage to stand the bike on an incline and offroad. I hope to push myself to better write and tell stories like you!
We've been waiting sooo long for someone to give a proper comprehensive review. Thank you for this one. Wonderful point. I love the way you do these reviews.
I put a deposit on a Triumph 400x, but after a test ride I cancelled my order. I now have a fantastic 450MT with its beautifully smooth engine. I’m completely smitten.
Triumph 400x handling might not A professional Off Road TOurer ... But for Minimal offroading TOUR scrambler 400X steals HEART ❤️ along with City riding comfort mileage.
Thanks Aaron, great review. I think you covered most if not all of the items that are pertinent. I'm an experienced but older rider 5'10", 178cm, and have owned 8 motorcycles from 1973 until last year. I like the idea of the 450MT based on its price, reasonably low weight and ADV chops, not perfect for on-road or off, but capable at both. I will use it for local routes in the mountains and deserts of the SW USA and for a long trip I plan to Ushuaia. I think this will be the best bike for me. CFMoto is pretty common in Latin America and the USA due to all the CFMoto ATV dealers. I prefer the twin power plants over the thumpers as the vibes bother my arthritic wrists. I'm excited to finally test drive one in a couple of weeks (late in coming here). Great English as well... salamat, love your beautiful country and friendly people
This is how you do a comparison video. A lot of youtubers could learn a great deal from this. I highly commend your work and think this one of the best comparison videos on UA-cam period! Great work and God bless. 👍🏿
I've watched so many videos that break these bikes down, but no one has been so detailed and honest in their review. Hats off to you, great great work!!!
Motorcycle rider for 20+ years. Here is the deal. These bikes are not the bloated overweight and unnecessary overpowered money pit, battle ships, like the Tiger 900, IBEX, or GS. They are nimble, tough, relatively simple construction. Easy to ride, especially in the dirt. They are NOT beginner bikes..far from if you ride it how they are intended. Their weight is all on top, which makes them top heavy and unbalance...but for a good reason. Learn how to handle the top heavy nature of these bikes and you have a great class of motorcycle in the stable. Thanks!
I have owned over 60 motorcycles and watched countless videos of new motorcycles. I loved your description of the rides that handling and features of the motorcycles. I think this video was perfect for me to understand the different motorcycles that you’ve tested. And I am speaking after having bought and ridden so many different motorcycles. I can appreciate your detailed description of your viewpoints. Thank you for a great video!
Got 1300 km on my MT450 here in Poland. Got unlucky and my clutch lever was delivered without the pivot bushing. Replaced in 5 days, so that is ok. The biggest compliment for me of my MT450 is the short final gearing. At that 125 kmh the motor spins at 7000 on a motor with 8500 red line. Don't like that at all, there is plenty of power for taller 5th and 6th gear. The fueling off idle is shit (let's be honest here). The ecu needs a good, clean tune. Skid plate is paper thin. I am 178 cm and 75 kgs. I soften the front, increased the preload out back a bit. Feels good now, but the front is "firm". Rest of the bike is very good. All the little features, all the little adjustments I was able to do with stock parts, so nice. Again, you do a very nice job with your vids. I hope you become a big success. Thx .
I'm Watching your videos from the northwest region of the United States. Your videos are amazing and very well detailed. They are far more detailed than a lot of the moto vloggers in the US.
Excellent review; the ‘has short legs, but wants to show you how fast it can run,’ comment, put a smile on my face. As a Ducati XDiavel S owner, my dream bike is a Honda X-ADV scooter.
Good analyse, I went with the Himalayan, then the MT was released at the same price here in Au. The 270deg twin, dual balancer was something I have been hoping for, but I think the 452 is the right choice for the travels & roads I hope to do over the next few years, while I still can. Time will tell, but hay I don't think either would be a bad choice. Cheers
First of all sorry for my broken English. And my opinion, RE Himalayan 450 is the best except the offroad experience. I’ve rode it, for me the power a bit more than expected, manage to put a big smile on my face along my 304km journey, the suspension setup something that we need to address, bring above-average level of comfort yet you still can bring it to the winding road, attacking the corners, and this bike will bring another smile, maybe on your eyes, because you mouth already smile earlier when you got on this bike earlier. P/s : i’ve never rode CF 450MT, and i will never try to do so because of my love towards Himalayan 450 😂😂😂
I was talking to Engineer brother about this and we both agreed we would go for the Enfield. They have been making bikes forever and even the old bad Enfield's had unmatched durability. I would trust Royal Enfield to build a bike that will last.
My 2022 Himalayan 411 will be a forever bike for me. I love simple. I want a Triumph 400s for fun around town and will end up getting a Can-Am Spyder so my wife and I can ride comfortably together on long trips.
First time visiting your channel and I subscribed. Educational, well thought out and clearly communicated. I can’t stand videos of someone riding while they spew numbers inside their helmet, giving us bad audio and video. All of your video clips were of the bikes you were comparing. I’m not a spec sheet warrior by any means but I found you to be entertaining. Thank you.
I've been searching out all the scrambler videos I can find on YT (in all classes - 400, 900 & 1200). This has been the most engaging by far. Thank you. New subscriber here. (I'm still confused af as to what to get for my next bike).
I actually find the Scrambler 400X more engaging to ride than the Scrambler 900, hehe. Scrambler 900 has very long gears so a totally different character, very smooth, refined, and relaxed. Better on the open road for sure, but not as fun elsewhere.
I've got the 1200XE and it's a big, tall and heavy bike. It's great for open road touring and a bit of gravel but would be hopeless in countries with bad roads and lots of congestion. It's also a bit big for riding round town, I love mine but it depends where you will be riding, your skill level and your own height. I always think the best thing to do is narrow your search down and go for a ride on each then buy the one that puts the biggest smile on your face. It usually stands out.
Thank you for a thorough and balanced review. It was refreshing to hear That it’s OK to make a decision of the heart as well as the comparisons on the spec sheet. This video made me subscribe to your channel and I look forward to watching more.
Excellent review and I agree with almost all your comments! I've got my eye on the Himy especially that Black and Gold. I've test ridden one and think it handles and performs beautifully for a 450 single, yes, a few footrest vibes but not an issue for me who grew up on British singles. I think both the Triumph 400s look top quality but the Himy is 'more' bike and I like the nakedness too. The CF is too modern looking for me and it's a single I'm after with a longish stroke. If I do take the plunge, the Himy will replace my Hunter 350 which is also a great little bike! I've subscribed so will look forward to your next review on the Himy. All the best, Phil (UK)
You definitely put a lot of effort into this video, food for thought 👌 I'm intrigued by the Himy and 450MT, but I enjoy the off-road prowess of my 300 Rally and it has been flawless. Plenty of Honda dealers here in Aus. Royal Enfield dealers also. As for CF Moto, the nearest one to me is about 2 hours away...
Absolutely amazing review / comparison!! Love that you compared these three. Also some of the most comprehensive information I've seen anywhere online, bravo!
Great job doing this review. I'm also torn between the Himi and the MT. However because I'll be using the bike as a commuter, I'm leaning on the Himi as I've heard from some owners of the MT that they're getting a fuel consumption of only 17 kms per liter significantly lower than the Himi. I also like the bloodline of the Himi. Can't wait to purchase one. I'm just waiting it out for some of the kinks to be improved. Cheers. Ride safe.
To give some perspective, Honda Transalp and Suzuki 800DE give the mileage at around 20kmpl, which are also twin cylinder engines. So why does a MT450 give so less mileage while being lower in weight than Himmy450? If someone knows why please educate us all.
@@varun2250poor engine build and design probably, I watched a video about it from fortnine and the very worst ones were italian and chinese manufacturers, while the best ones were royal enfield and japanese ones.
Excellent review sir. Thank you. The CF Moto looks interesting to me but I’ll stick with my little Kawasaki 400 because it’s cheap. And it only took me 3 gallons to get to Yosemite from Concord California. I’m not blown away from the performance, but I’m blown away by the fuel efficiency.
Thank you for this wonderful review! I have booked the Scram 400x as my first bike. It will also be the only bike I will have(for city commutes, weekend rides and touring) . You are the only person Ive seen on YT choosing the Himalayan with a reason being other than "Its a Royal Enfield". Watching your video reassured me of my choice of going with Scram 400x. Thank you so much
Thank you. Probably all the same reasons I want to buy the Himi over the other two. I already have a Hunter as my daily commuter but Himi will let me explore more. 😊
Excellent review, thank you. The CF is not widely available in the UK for a test at present, but I've tried the other two, and your assessment is 100% accurate: I found myself nodding along with your comments frequently. Good luck with the Himi - I'm a rider of similar height, but will be waiting for a lowering kit to become available before I place my order.
Nice and fair review, I understand your choice. I chose the 400x, and after 4000 km every small ride is still just a lot of fun. I have done longer +500 km day trips, and while it´s very comfortable, the lack of wind protection and limited luggage capacity mean it´s certainly no adventure bike. The initial succes of the Triumph 400´s also cause issues with accessories and spare parts delivery, but for the same reason I expect lots of third party products to become available in the near future. The fun is not only for me, the looks and sound of the Scrambler puts a smile on peoples faces along the road as well :-)
Hi! I'm thinking about buying a scrambler 400x but I hesitate it cause the vibrations... are those uncomfortable? Or with what can you compare them? Thanks a lot!
@@MrTime851 The mirrors are vibrating at a certain highway speed, but otherwise I am not bothered by vibrations - you can feel it´s a one cylinder engine, and that´s kind of charming. Anyway, I think you should try to get a test drive.
Thanks for this informative video. I would drop the front forks on the MT about 20mm through the yolks to improve the front end feel especially if the rear suspension lowering option on the shock position is used.
In India CF Moto came in with a big bang, but fell flat on its face when compared with KTM, Royal enfield, Bajaj, triumph. CF Moto engines are incredibly bad , after about 10,000 kms they are not the same as above mentioned good brands, C. Moto is a Chinese company which pays more attention to profits, compare to quality. I KNOW ALL THIS BECAUSE I HAVE OWNED CF MOTO 650MT AND THE ENGINE BLEW UP AT 2595 KMS, AFTER ONE YEAR LONG LEGAL BATTLE COURT RULED IN MY FAVOUR AND I WAS RETURNED EVERY SINGLE PENNY. Later, I purchased Royal Enfield interceptor 650 And 79,560 kms in 3.2 years later it’s still running like new.
that's because you shouldn't buy a 650mt, which is a model that is infamous, and every brand has it's infamous models, even honda. you should try out the 800mt or models containing the 450 engine, which is designed 100% by CFmoto and has won tons of fans.
Wow! I happen to stumble onto this channel. Aaron, thank you for this balanced and insightful comparison review. I am now subscribed and will check out all your other videos posted.
A very thorough comparison, reminds of the kind of detail you would get from a bgrockmoto review. Especially the addition of a spreadsheetm really impressive!
Awesome review. We are a new channel and we just tested the 450MT (which will come out tomorrow) and we agree to all your points throughout, but the way you deliver it is so articulate. We learned a lot from you and your video and we’ll definitely use that on our next content. ❤❤❤
Outstanding review, balanced yet honest and delivered in word perfect English. I’ll probably still go for the 450mt but am looking at the Kove 800x before a final decision. Lightweight adventure bikes are the future.
At 25:13...surprised at how much larger the MT looks...considerably larger than the other two! And the RE is much smaller than I thought it was! Thanks for putting them side by side.
Great video thanks for that. The choice now on makes and models compared to when I started in the mid eighties is amazing. I can't believe how little Kawasaki, Yamaha, Honda and Suzuki feature these days. The Chinese are doing what the Japanese did in the 70's. Thumping the old brands.
Really great review!!! I own a 411 Himalayan and moving from the UK to Australia, so selling up. I've test ridden the 450MT and I agree with everything you say about the bike. I do think that the suspension setup on the MT would potentially solve some of the handling issues, and I think people are reporting better fuel economy than what the spec says. Anyway, for me, the Himalayan is a massive disappointment and isn't the bike I wanted them to make. Too many compromises.
Hi Aaron, greetings from 🏴 I’ve just found your channel, it’s excellent, I think I’m after an MT too, after a lifetime of Triumphs and currently on an old Himmie! I’ll work my way through your back catalogue!
The longer I look at it, the more I like the Himie. I think it's one of the best looking bikes currently on sale, and it's one of the best looking bike in many years as well. Royal Enfield did very right when designing the bugger! 🤗
Awesome review mate, great breakdown in all bikes, what they do and who would benefit from these bikes, in the real world, I have the Himmi, and yes looked at all the bikes that you have reviewed, looking forward to your next review on the Himmi, you hit the nail on the head, I’m happy riding the Himmi, and it’s my second go-to-bike, I Indulged myself to have that off road fun. Looking forward to your next review Aaron 👍
Wonderful video! On paper and reviews I keep thinking I should go the 450MT (or Ibex 450 as they call here in my area), but I look at the Himmy 450 and I just love it. And since I'm newly getting into the whole adv thing, I feel like it just sounds the most balanced for my style. Either way, I plan to see each one in person once they arrive here to be sure, but I sure love the Himmy styling more. 🙂
Je vous remercie pour votre analyse, j'ai testé l’Himalayan 450 que sur la route et je l'ai trouvée très agréable, j'attends de pouvoir tester la CF moto 450mt dans les mêmes conditions, cela me permettra de faire le choix de la moto qui tiendra compagnie à ma moto guzzi v85tt. Grand ✌ de la Haute Savoie en France.
This was a very well articulated review 👏. I'm still leaning to the Scram but I will be doing fire trails and paddocks at most. Mainly on the road in the twisties.
Thx for this video my friend! So, I have not been riding long, only 4 years now, and soon we will live in Portugal. So this asks for an adventure bike. I’ve been watching countless about adventure riding and I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s best to start small. I’m going to test ride the Himalayan 450, the CF moto 450MT and the Honda NX500. But if you would ask me now, yeah definitely the Himalayan! I don’t even own one yet and it’s already telling me to go on an adventure! What an awesome looking bike!
I watch reviews from UK, India, US, AUS. I find Aaron's reviews most balanced and one can tell a lot of effort was put into it. I have put 15K on my Suzuki DR650. It is only 172kgs wet. Weight is my priority. So, I will be getting the Triumph. Subscribed.
Great! The most useful review of bikes I want to know about. I would like, with adventure and dual sport, to see videos of riding increasingly more extreme offroad trails (singletrack?) and seeing what terrain gives significant problem or failure with riding it.
Well done Aaron. I just tripped over channel and I too was faced with exactly the same decision. I have owned the, then new, RE650 Interceptor and the CFMOTO 800MT and still own a Triumph Thruxton R (as well as BMW's 1200/900s and Ducatis) so you can see I too had that dilemma! I ended up buying the RE450 without riding any of the above 450's so I really took a punt. I was swayed by that RE 'story' (I was in the press trade so attended a few launches) and the overall principle of simplicity. The biggest part of my decision was dealer backup and very poor resale for the CF which will obviously improve in the future.
Thank you. Best review I have seen covering these 3 bikes, and I have watched plenty! The bike I chose was the Himalayan 450 and with just over 1000km now run on this bike I think it was a great choice with many significant improvements on my old 411. The side stand is definitely an issue - I have extended mine 35mm which has been a big improvement. I can't understand how RE got that so wrong. Have yet to take it off road but I feel confident it will perform well with all the improvements in suspension, braking and power delivery.
The side stand had to be like that due to center stand offered in himmy which others don't so it make it go to an angle to fit it other wise it will collide with center stand.
@@hdslytro387 Yes, the extension I have made to my side stand now makes it contact the center stand when both are retracted however I now find the bike much easier to get upright from when it is resting on its side stand. I still feel it is a design element that RE could have resolved without too much effort.
Great vid as always bro! Just wanted to correct the fuel consumption on the mt. Been getting at least 25kml on mixed city, hiway, trail, traffic back on the stock 14t sprocket. Now on the 15t (which is only a very cheap $20 upgrade), not only am I getting 28kms per liter, it also solved the jerkiness of the 1st/2nd gear. Some guys on fb are even reporting 31kms per liter 🙂 welcome back to the dirt side and ride tayo soon!
Excellent and very detailed review. You covered everything I could think of. I am really trying to decide between the 411 or this new 450 RE I really need to get a lighter bike because of my age but most certainly do not want to give up riding. Thank you for all the good useful information.
I've ridden the Himalayan 411 extensively, and the Himalayan 450 a lot lately. I can say the 450 despite being the same wet weight is a more intimidating bike to due to its additional height and top heaviness; it's not a "legs down in the hard stuff" bike as the old Himmy was. However it is superior and more rewarding to ride in most every way if you can bring your skills to bear on it! If you have the height and/or the skill I would get the 450, but frankly the 411 is a tremendous value for money nowadays, especially if speed is not an issue.
Bought the new Himalayan back here in India, riding with after market accessories(MOTOTORQUE), havent faced any problems yet completed 1500kms and first service, if you plan to get after market accessories make sure you are Bolting the bolts at right torque specs, and yeah there are vibes that I feel, but I dont mind them as they are just fine not much to be worried about, the engine has this kinda raspy character which you cant say is rough but kinda smooth raspy not sure what I am saying at this point difficult to explain, I like it though, enjoying it!!!!
Wow I was so locked on the mt450 but your video really made me take a step back and think this through about if it really suits my riding style thanks so much definitely will have to test ride them more
A mechanic I ride who owns a 450MT actually concluded recently that the Himalayan 450 has better suspension and can at least be ridden relaxed if you want to, whereas the 450MT like a KTM always wants to go go go
Thank you for the great reviews! I’m interested in a comparison of the MT and Himi to the 300 Rally. Seems it would beat those two on everything but power and suspension, but the service intervals and mpg are what really attract me to it.
Check the description for links to the comparo spreadsheet and all the videos mentioned in this review! Thanks for watching.
thanks for spreadsheet 👍
I really admire the work that you did in this investigation, and I'm really excited waiting for the Scrambler 400 X review.
Thanks a lot for your hard work!
@@Ride_XP Thank you for all the work and great video production.
The Triumph benefits greatly from the increase to a 15t front sprocket as out the box its under geared
I just noticed that the personality of MOST buyers/owners of Himalayan are not loud. Just like the bike, they prefer to ride and enjoy the scenery, but are equally capable on tough roads if needed to get to their destination. 🍺👍
👍 I got a meteor 350cc. Don't want the new himmy. A 411 will do fine . Looks nicer ❤
I suppose it depends from region to region. Here in India from where the company is (now). RE owners are super proud and will DOG on any other bike brand :)
So, it's situational. Of course this isn't all RE owners but I can say 80-90% owners.
@@yohaan9 and vice versa i guess,i guess people will throw hate at re no matter what,vibration,no vibration,uses the same engine,doesn't use the same engine,looks retro,doesn't look retro. the ceo must be under pressure all the time 😂😂😂
@@vkrishna0612 aare people will always hate. Fact is their 650's are really good bikes and the new 450 engine is good too. I'm wondering if the 350 engine will be replaced by the 450.
RE fanbase is toxic lekin. Sadly :(
@@yohaan9 not just re fan base, re haters too 😂, every other country seems to love the whole re line up, but our country hates that they use the same engine. just because re is open about.
Rarely do I comment, but I just wanted to say this is probably one of the BEST comparisons I have seen..
As an owner of himalayan 450, this motorcycle will surely get into your heart.
Ansioso pela chegada dela no Brasil 🇧🇷. Tive uma 411
@@motoeoffroadtb estou na espera. Demorando demais pra lançar aqui
@@ademarmneto e só sobra pra nós ver vídeo gringo sem saber oque tão falando 😂
Bestttt bessttt and the best , you feel it when u own one.✅
bro, it's my dream bike wanna get one as soon as i can I'm 22 year old from gujrat, India, wann explore whole mother indian with this beast, it's a dream for me.
I am from India, Bought my first bike (Himalayan 450) ever 4 months ago. In love with it man, its beautiful. Like you said that bike spoke to me and sometimes you listen to your heart and not the specifications.
Ansioso pela chegada dela no Brasil 🇧🇷. Tive uma 411
Man, you cover so much details. From when I was still a 450MT fanboy downloading Chinese reviews from Bilibili, downloading both owner's manual PDFs, to seeing and loving the clean kaza brown Himmy and searching for every issue the Indians have in different forums! When I first get the Himmy out of its stand on the MotoMakinaShow, I thought I will live with this, I love the bike anyways. After 2 months, it's an advantage to stand the bike on an incline and offroad. I hope to push myself to better write and tell stories like you!
Ey bro! Been watching your videos as well. Love that Kaza Brown. Appreciate your input as an early Himmy 450 owner.
We've been waiting sooo long for someone to give a proper comprehensive review. Thank you for this one. Wonderful point. I love the way you do these reviews.
I put a deposit on a Triumph 400x, but after a test ride I cancelled my order. I now have a fantastic 450MT with its beautifully smooth engine. I’m completely smitten.
Triumph 400x handling might not A professional Off Road TOurer ... But for Minimal offroading TOUR scrambler 400X steals HEART ❤️ along with City riding comfort mileage.
Thanks Aaron, great review. I think you covered most if not all of the items that are pertinent. I'm an experienced but older rider 5'10", 178cm, and have owned 8 motorcycles from 1973 until last year. I like the idea of the 450MT based on its price, reasonably low weight and ADV chops, not perfect for on-road or off, but capable at both. I will use it for local routes in the mountains and deserts of the SW USA and for a long trip I plan to Ushuaia. I think this will be the best bike for me. CFMoto is pretty common in Latin America and the USA due to all the CFMoto ATV dealers. I prefer the twin power plants over the thumpers as the vibes bother my arthritic wrists. I'm excited to finally test drive one in a couple of weeks (late in coming here). Great English as well... salamat, love your beautiful country and friendly people
Royal enfield is actually even more common than CFMoto in the Americas.
This is how you do a comparison video. A lot of youtubers could learn a great deal from this. I highly commend your work and think this one of the best comparison videos on UA-cam period!
Great work and God bless. 👍🏿
I've watched so many videos that break these bikes down, but no one has been so detailed and honest in their review. Hats off to you, great great work!!!
By a country mile, the best comparison of these bikes that I've seen so far - thank you!
That's how every motorcycle review should look like, great job!
Motorcycle rider for 20+ years. Here is the deal. These bikes are not the bloated overweight and unnecessary overpowered money pit, battle ships, like the Tiger 900, IBEX, or GS. They are nimble, tough, relatively simple construction. Easy to ride, especially in the dirt. They are NOT beginner bikes..far from if you ride it how they are intended. Their weight is all on top, which makes them top heavy and unbalance...but for a good reason. Learn how to handle the top heavy nature of these bikes and you have a great class of motorcycle in the stable. Thanks!
Wym they are not beginner bike lmao they are perfectly alright for a beginner bike
@@AswathReacher just keep reading past that point ....
It's OVERWHELMING under powered for Americans' roads, especially in the mid west, where people drive 100 mph, with steep mountain inclines
But it perfectly for Asian and European countries where it's clustered and everything is just smaller
Mountains in the mid-west?? Lol@@funyun
Thank you. I really like the Royal Enfield Himalayan 450.
Creo que me acabo de decidir por la GRAN HIMALAYAN 450 .. GRAN VIDEO Y ANALISIS .. SALUDOS DESDE MÉXICO 🇲🇽
I have owned over 60 motorcycles and watched countless videos of new motorcycles. I loved your description of the rides that handling and features of the motorcycles. I think this video was perfect for me to understand the different motorcycles that you’ve tested. And I am speaking after having bought and ridden so many different motorcycles. I can appreciate your detailed description of your viewpoints. Thank you for a great video!
@@joplin777 Thanks for letting me know!
Got 1300 km on my MT450 here in Poland. Got unlucky and my clutch lever was delivered without the pivot bushing. Replaced in 5 days, so that is ok.
The biggest compliment for me of my MT450 is the short final gearing. At that 125 kmh the motor spins at 7000 on a motor with 8500 red line. Don't like that at all, there is plenty of power for taller 5th and 6th gear.
The fueling off idle is shit (let's be honest here). The ecu needs a good, clean tune.
Skid plate is paper thin.
I am 178 cm and 75 kgs. I soften the front, increased the preload out back a bit. Feels good now, but the front is "firm".
Rest of the bike is very good. All the little features, all the little adjustments I was able to do with stock parts, so nice.
Again, you do a very nice job with your vids. I hope you become a big success. Thx .
Please update after 3-4000 kms.
I'm Watching your videos from the northwest region of the United States. Your videos are amazing and very well detailed. They are far more detailed than a lot of the moto vloggers in the US.
Excellent review; the ‘has short legs, but wants to show you how fast it can run,’ comment, put a smile on my face. As a Ducati XDiavel S owner, my dream bike is a Honda X-ADV scooter.
Good analyse, I went with the Himalayan, then the MT was released at the same price here in Au. The 270deg twin, dual balancer was something I have been hoping for, but I think the 452 is the right choice for the travels & roads I hope to do over the next few years, while I still can. Time will tell, but hay I don't think either would be a bad choice. Cheers
First of all sorry for my broken English.
And my opinion, RE Himalayan 450 is the best except the offroad experience. I’ve rode it, for me the power a bit more than expected, manage to put a big smile on my face along my 304km journey, the suspension setup something that we need to address, bring above-average level of comfort yet you still can bring it to the winding road, attacking the corners, and this bike will bring another smile, maybe on your eyes, because you mouth already smile earlier when you got on this bike earlier.
P/s : i’ve never rode CF 450MT, and i will never try to do so because of my love towards Himalayan 450 😂😂😂
These 31 minutes of review were filled of super useful information without any dead spots. Super video. Cheers from Italy
I was talking to Engineer brother about this and we both agreed we would go for the Enfield. They have been making bikes forever and even the old bad Enfield's had unmatched durability. I would trust Royal Enfield to build a bike that will last.
Good review dude! From America.
My 2022 Himalayan 411 will be a forever bike for me. I love simple. I want a Triumph 400s for fun around town and will end up getting a Can-Am Spyder so my wife and I can ride comfortably together on long trips.
First time visiting your channel and I subscribed. Educational, well thought out and clearly communicated. I can’t stand videos of someone riding while they spew numbers inside their helmet, giving us bad audio and video. All of your video clips were of the bikes you were comparing. I’m not a spec sheet warrior by any means but I found you to be entertaining. Thank you.
Excelent, really detailed, and pertinent review. Keep the good work man. Greetings from Colombia, South America.
dude I've been waiting for so long for you to review the scrambler 400x, great video man!
Great video!🤩 So much useful information and so much charisma. Thank you from Italy!
I've been searching out all the scrambler videos I can find on YT (in all classes - 400, 900 & 1200). This has been the most engaging by far. Thank you. New subscriber here. (I'm still confused af as to what to get for my next bike).
I actually find the Scrambler 400X more engaging to ride than the Scrambler 900, hehe. Scrambler 900 has very long gears so a totally different character, very smooth, refined, and relaxed. Better on the open road for sure, but not as fun elsewhere.
I've got the 1200XE and it's a big, tall and heavy bike. It's great for open road touring and a bit of gravel but would be hopeless in countries with bad roads and lots of congestion. It's also a bit big for riding round town, I love mine but it depends where you will be riding, your skill level and your own height. I always think the best thing to do is narrow your search down and go for a ride on each then buy the one that puts the biggest smile on your face. It usually stands out.
I'm not even in the market for a scrambler but enjoyed the whole of this video immensely! 👍👍👍
I came here expecting the Royal Enfield to win hands down. I stayed for the well put together content. Subscribed.
Well that was all really useful info throughout, with no fluff. Thank you!!
Thank you for a thorough and balanced review. It was refreshing to hear That it’s OK to make a decision of the heart as well as the comparisons on the spec sheet. This video made me subscribe to your channel and I look forward to watching more.
Excellent review and I agree with almost all your comments! I've got my eye on the Himy especially that Black and Gold. I've test ridden one and think it handles and performs beautifully for a 450 single, yes, a few footrest vibes but not an issue for me who grew up on British singles. I think both the Triumph 400s look top quality but the Himy is 'more' bike and I like the nakedness too. The CF is too modern looking for me and it's a single I'm after with a longish stroke. If I do take the plunge, the Himy will replace my Hunter 350 which is also a great little bike! I've subscribed so will look forward to your next review on the Himy. All the best, Phil (UK)
Great production man. You have some awesome insights on these bikes and bring up some valid points.
Thank you! I'm sure this was a much awaited video for a lot of us!
You definitely put a lot of effort into this video, food for thought 👌
I'm intrigued by the Himy and 450MT, but I enjoy the off-road prowess of my 300 Rally and it has been flawless.
Plenty of Honda dealers here in Aus. Royal Enfield dealers also.
As for CF Moto, the nearest one to me is about 2 hours away...
Absolutely amazing review / comparison!!
Love that you compared these three. Also some of the most comprehensive information I've seen anywhere online, bravo!
second comment, I know this video is older but this comparison is beautiful brother!
Great job doing this review. I'm also torn between the Himi and the MT. However because I'll be using the bike as a commuter, I'm leaning on the Himi as I've heard from some owners of the MT that they're getting a fuel consumption of only 17 kms per liter significantly lower than the Himi. I also like the bloodline of the Himi. Can't wait to purchase one. I'm just waiting it out for some of the kinks to be improved. Cheers. Ride safe.
To give some perspective, Honda Transalp and Suzuki 800DE give the mileage at around 20kmpl, which are also twin cylinder engines.
So why does a MT450 give so less mileage while being lower in weight than Himmy450? If someone knows why please educate us all.
@@varun2250poor engine build and design probably, I watched a video about it from fortnine and the very worst ones were italian and chinese manufacturers, while the best ones were royal enfield and japanese ones.
Excellent review sir. Thank you. The CF Moto looks interesting to me but I’ll stick with my little Kawasaki 400 because it’s cheap. And it only took me 3 gallons to get to Yosemite from Concord California. I’m not blown away from the performance, but I’m blown away by the fuel efficiency.
Thank you for this wonderful review! I have booked the Scram 400x as my first bike. It will also be the only bike I will have(for city commutes, weekend rides and touring) . You are the only person Ive seen on YT choosing the Himalayan with a reason being other than "Its a Royal Enfield". Watching your video reassured me of my choice of going with Scram 400x. Thank you so much
Thank you. Probably all the same reasons I want to buy the Himi over the other two. I already have a Hunter as my daily commuter but Himi will let me explore more. 😊
Absolutely excellent video. Well articulated and you covered EVERYTHING. Well done!
Excellent review, thank you. The CF is not widely available in the UK for a test at present, but I've tried the other two, and your assessment is 100% accurate: I found myself nodding along with your comments frequently. Good luck with the Himi - I'm a rider of similar height, but will be waiting for a lowering kit to become available before I place my order.
I was also looking for lowering kit 😢
Nice and fair review, I understand your choice. I chose the 400x, and after 4000 km every small ride is still just a lot of fun. I have done longer +500 km day trips, and while it´s very comfortable, the lack of wind protection and limited luggage capacity mean it´s certainly no adventure bike. The initial succes of the Triumph 400´s also cause issues with accessories and spare parts delivery, but for the same reason I expect lots of third party products to become available in the near future. The fun is not only for me, the looks and sound of the Scrambler puts a smile on peoples faces along the road as well :-)
Hi! I'm thinking about buying a scrambler 400x but I hesitate it cause the vibrations... are those uncomfortable? Or with what can you compare them?
Thanks a lot!
@@MrTime851 The mirrors are vibrating at a certain highway speed, but otherwise I am not bothered by vibrations - you can feel it´s a one cylinder engine, and that´s kind of charming. Anyway, I think you should try to get a test drive.
Today I brought the New Himalayan 450 ❤
Thanks for this informative video. I would drop the front forks on the MT about 20mm through the yolks to improve the front end feel especially if the rear suspension lowering option on the shock position is used.
Greetings from the North Cascades of Washington state.!Great review. You do such great reviews! No blather, swagger or arrogance. Thank you!
In India CF Moto came in with a big bang, but fell flat on its face when compared with KTM, Royal enfield, Bajaj, triumph.
CF Moto engines are incredibly bad , after about 10,000 kms they are not the same as above mentioned good brands, C. Moto is a Chinese company which pays more attention to profits, compare to quality.
I KNOW ALL THIS BECAUSE I HAVE OWNED CF MOTO 650MT AND THE ENGINE BLEW UP AT 2595 KMS, AFTER ONE YEAR LONG LEGAL BATTLE COURT RULED IN MY FAVOUR AND I WAS RETURNED EVERY SINGLE PENNY.
Later, I purchased Royal Enfield interceptor 650 And 79,560 kms in 3.2 years later it’s still running like new.
I'm buying the RE bullet. Best looking of the bunch and has the suspension upgrade that the other RE650's need.
@@arnohag1A classic 650 is on the way. Not to hold you off or something.
another hallucination made up story by an indian 😁
and how exactly is this "blew up" means, like pistons jammed or blew up like in the movie or something?
that's because you shouldn't buy a 650mt, which is a model that is infamous, and every brand has it's infamous models, even honda.
you should try out the 800mt or models containing the 450 engine, which is designed 100% by CFmoto and has won tons of fans.
Wow! I happen to stumble onto this channel. Aaron, thank you for this balanced and insightful comparison review. I am now subscribed and will check out all your other videos posted.
Brilliantly comprehensive review sir !!
A very thorough comparison, reminds of the kind of detail you would get from a bgrockmoto review. Especially the addition of a spreadsheetm really impressive!
one of the most if not the most comprehensive review of the 450MT and the others.
Awesome review. We are a new channel and we just tested the 450MT (which will come out tomorrow) and we agree to all your points throughout, but the way you deliver it is so articulate. We learned a lot from you and your video and we’ll definitely use that on our next content. ❤❤❤
Good luck guys! Thanks for swinging by. ☺️
Excellent Aaron. Congratulations!
Outstanding review, balanced yet honest and delivered in word perfect English. I’ll probably still go for the 450mt but am looking at the Kove 800x before a final decision. Lightweight adventure bikes are the future.
Very nice and honest review slash comparison, taking care of the heart side, thank for the light
At 25:13...surprised at how much larger the MT looks...considerably larger than the other two! And the RE is much smaller than I thought it was! Thanks for putting them side by side.
Really listenable review. Super useful as I'm in the market for the Him or the 400x.
Great video thanks for that. The choice now on makes and models compared to when I started in the mid eighties is amazing. I can't believe how little Kawasaki, Yamaha, Honda and Suzuki feature these days. The Chinese are doing what the Japanese did in the 70's. Thumping the old brands.
Love that you covered the intangibles. Awesome comparison!
great video from the philiphines...greatings from Malaysia
Cool review, thanks for asking questions that others seem to have missed.
Really great review!!! I own a 411 Himalayan and moving from the UK to Australia, so selling up. I've test ridden the 450MT and I agree with everything you say about the bike.
I do think that the suspension setup on the MT would potentially solve some of the handling issues, and I think people are reporting better fuel economy than what the spec says.
Anyway, for me, the Himalayan is a massive disappointment and isn't the bike I wanted them to make. Too many compromises.
Yes, I own the 411 Himi as well. It is definitely a dog. I do think the new 450 will solve all those issues.
@@LordHolley You might have misunderstood the OP. I think he likes the old one and hates the new one.
Hi Aaron, greetings from 🏴 I’ve just found your channel, it’s excellent, I think I’m after an MT too, after a lifetime of Triumphs and currently on an old Himmie! I’ll work my way through your back catalogue!
The longer I look at it, the more I like the Himie. I think it's one of the best looking bikes currently on sale, and it's one of the best looking bike in many years as well. Royal Enfield did very right when designing the bugger! 🤗
Wow! Man this video is awesome. Great detailed analysis and review. Many thanks! 🤘🔥💪
The best comparison video i've ever seen. If i wanted an on-off bike at 200kg, i would take the Himaiayan too. Thank you
Top notch video. Super detailed in all the right ways. Thanks!
Awesome review mate, great breakdown in all bikes, what they do and who would benefit from these bikes, in the real world, I have the Himmi, and yes looked at all the bikes that you have reviewed, looking forward to your next review on the Himmi, you hit the nail on the head, I’m happy riding the Himmi, and it’s my second go-to-bike, I Indulged myself to have that off road fun.
Looking forward to your next review Aaron 👍
Wonderful video! On paper and reviews I keep thinking I should go the 450MT (or Ibex 450 as they call here in my area), but I look at the Himmy 450 and I just love it. And since I'm newly getting into the whole adv thing, I feel like it just sounds the most balanced for my style. Either way, I plan to see each one in person once they arrive here to be sure, but I sure love the Himmy styling more. 🙂
Great review! Very detailed and opinion is backed up with logical explanations. Himalayan 450 fits my riding preference.
Great video, you think about bikes and bike ownership like a rider rather than a dealer, manufacturer or UA-camr. Keep at it. I’m subscribing.
My heart goes to the triumph for the quality made, the Scrambler look, the maneuverability and the simplicity. But the 3 bikes are awesome.
Je vous remercie pour votre analyse, j'ai testé l’Himalayan 450 que sur la route et je l'ai trouvée très agréable, j'attends de pouvoir tester la CF moto 450mt dans les mêmes conditions, cela me permettra de faire le choix de la moto qui tiendra compagnie à ma moto guzzi v85tt. Grand ✌ de la Haute Savoie en France.
This was a very well articulated review 👏. I'm still leaning to the Scram but I will be doing fire trails and paddocks at most. Mainly on the road in the twisties.
You put alot into this review. And it was excellent.
Just came across this video. What a well delivered and informative review. You have a new subscriber, well done👍
Great review, you have to love your bike no matter it's specs. You said it well, it has to speak to you.
Thx for this video my friend!
So, I have not been riding long, only 4 years now, and soon we will live in Portugal. So this asks for an adventure bike. I’ve been watching countless about adventure riding and I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s best to start small. I’m going to test ride the Himalayan 450, the CF moto 450MT and the Honda NX500.
But if you would ask me now, yeah definitely the Himalayan!
I don’t even own one yet and it’s already telling me to go on an adventure!
What an awesome looking bike!
I like your personal taste opinions. Sometimes being good on paper just doesn't sing too😂
I watch reviews from UK, India, US, AUS. I find Aaron's reviews most balanced and one can tell a lot of effort was put into it. I have put 15K on my Suzuki DR650. It is only 172kgs wet. Weight is my priority. So, I will be getting the Triumph. Subscribed.
Great! The most useful review of bikes I want to know about. I would like, with adventure and dual sport, to see videos of riding increasingly more extreme offroad trails (singletrack?) and seeing what terrain gives significant problem or failure with riding it.
beautiful comparison!!!! Thank you
Well done Aaron. I just tripped over channel and I too was faced with exactly the same decision. I have owned the, then new, RE650 Interceptor and the CFMOTO 800MT and still own a Triumph Thruxton R (as well as BMW's 1200/900s and Ducatis) so you can see I too had that dilemma! I ended up buying the RE450 without riding any of the above 450's so I really took a punt. I was swayed by that RE 'story' (I was in the press trade so attended a few launches) and the overall principle of simplicity. The biggest part of my decision was dealer backup and very poor resale for the CF which will obviously improve in the future.
So are you happy with your RE450 or not?
Wow. A very complete and well made video.
Thank you. Best review I have seen covering these 3 bikes, and I have watched plenty! The bike I chose was the Himalayan 450 and with just over 1000km now run on this bike I think it was a great choice with many significant improvements on my old 411. The side stand is definitely an issue - I have extended mine 35mm which has been a big improvement. I can't understand how RE got that so wrong. Have yet to take it off road but I feel confident it will perform well with all the improvements in suspension, braking and power delivery.
The side stand had to be like that due to center stand offered in himmy which others don't so it make it go to an angle to fit it other wise it will collide with center stand.
@@hdslytro387 Yes, the extension I have made to my side stand now makes it contact the center stand when both are retracted however I now find the bike much easier to get upright from when it is resting on its side stand. I still feel it is a design element that RE could have resolved without too much effort.
Great vid as always bro! Just wanted to correct the fuel consumption on the mt. Been getting at least 25kml on mixed city, hiway, trail, traffic back on the stock 14t sprocket. Now on the 15t (which is only a very cheap $20 upgrade), not only am I getting 28kms per liter, it also solved the jerkiness of the 1st/2nd gear. Some guys on fb are even reporting 31kms per liter 🙂 welcome back to the dirt side and ride tayo soon!
Thanks for the input bro!
CFMoto has face only a mum could love. Himalayan is fat but drop dead gorgeous. 400X wants to be red or red and a Speed.
Excellent and very detailed review. You covered everything I could think of. I am really trying to decide between the 411 or this new 450 RE I really need to get a lighter bike because of my age but most certainly do not want to give up riding. Thank you for all the good useful information.
I've ridden the Himalayan 411 extensively, and the Himalayan 450 a lot lately. I can say the 450 despite being the same wet weight is a more intimidating bike to due to its additional height and top heaviness; it's not a "legs down in the hard stuff" bike as the old Himmy was. However it is superior and more rewarding to ride in most every way if you can bring your skills to bear on it! If you have the height and/or the skill I would get the 450, but frankly the 411 is a tremendous value for money nowadays, especially if speed is not an issue.
Excellent review of these bikes
Excellent video man. Top stuff.
Bought the new Himalayan back here in India, riding with after market accessories(MOTOTORQUE), havent faced any problems yet completed 1500kms and first service, if you plan to get after market accessories make sure you are Bolting the bolts at right torque specs, and yeah there are vibes that I feel, but I dont mind them as they are just fine not much to be worried about, the engine has this kinda raspy character which you cant say is rough but kinda smooth raspy not sure what I am saying at this point difficult to explain, I like it though, enjoying it!!!!
Wow I was so locked on the mt450 but your video really made me take a step back and think this through about if it really suits my riding style thanks so much definitely will have to test ride them more
A mechanic I ride who owns a 450MT actually concluded recently that the Himalayan 450 has better suspension and can at least be ridden relaxed if you want to, whereas the 450MT like a KTM always wants to go go go
Excellent review and videoclip, as usual.
I just sold Honda Transalp 750 for a Royal Enfield Himalayan 450!
Congrats for the video....
Thank you for the great reviews! I’m interested in a comparison of the MT and Himi to the 300 Rally. Seems it would beat those two on everything but power and suspension, but the service intervals and mpg are what really attract me to it.
Excellent review and sensible advice!