Correction: the weight stated in the video is wrong, as the German official CFMoto site got it wrong 😂. It is 175kg dry, so similar to the Royal Enfield Himalayan. The brakes are also not directly from Brembo as it turns out but instead from their spanish sub brand J.Juan. Sorry about that, annoys me to no end that I got that wrong.
I see heaps of them in Oz they look amazing :) and everybody is happy:). Truly shocking cause back in time everybody was laughing from CFMOTO I guess not anymore good job :) Enjoy the bike I will buy soon as well:)
@@Mariauccellino they sell for 6500 EUR in Cyprus ... for that money I cant find a used Tenere and imho the Tenere is too top heavy to ride it with confidence into difficult terrain unless you have a couple of friends with you to help pulling you out. I ride a Tenere now and still have my KTM 640 ADVENTURE which feels like a bicycle compared to the Tenere..
A very constructive and unbiased review. I will purchasing one next year myself. I don't care about people's opinions on bikes made in China as they are pretty quick to dismiss how many things they purchase are made in the same country. CF Moto are going to become major players quickly if the Japanese don't pull their socks up. Keep up the good work and God bless. 👍🏿
True enough, but what I really want in an ADV bike is a really low 1st, low 2nd, lowish 3rd, normal 4th, slightly overdrive 5th and tall 6th. This arrangement only works with a torqy motor. Like this one!
@@davidc1961utube agreed, first 4 gears should be as short as possible to maximize acceleration and power usage... and 5/6 overdrive. But most people do not use full rpm range, shifting at 5000rpm and then complaining how 1st gear is useless, haha weird...
I have been riding a CF Moto 700 CLX for 2 years now as a 2nd bike besides a big ADV bike. The bike does good. No issues, no surprises. As there is no dealership near, i do maintenance myself. The 450 seems to be just cool. I will soon do a testride.
@@axeami1354 hi. I've had no issues at all with the bike. I think I've found the perfect combo of bikes. This Mt800 and my -23 Husqvarna 701 sm. One perfect for longer distances riding in comfort and one for commute, track and everyday fun.
I've had mine in Australia for a few weeks, and have done 1,200kms. Agree regarding the gearing being too short. I fitted a 15-tooth front sprocket (up 1 tooth), and that makes cruising at 110kph (max legal speed in Oz) much more comfortable, dropping by about 500rpm compared to standard, and making the speedo much more accurate. First gear becomes more usable, even off road, as the motor has a very good bottom end and mid range. I think a 16-tooth sprocket would fit if you were going to be doing a lot of freeway/autobahn riding. For my height (170cm) it's very comfortable on the highway with the screen raised. I can easily reach the ground, unlike on the bigger adv bikes - I'd love a T7, but I just don't fit! Other cons - from the factory the suspension is way too hard, but is easily softened. The fueling isn't perfect, being a little bit on/off at low speed - hopefully that will be fixed via software update. Yes, cruise control would be very nice, but it's a cable throttle rather than ride-by-wire, so that would require significant hardware update.
Dont get your hopes up for software updated - its a fools promise just to sell you an incomplere product. Idea of updating the software is very nice but unfortunately it is very rarely used to benefit customers in the long run.
@@mnap89 Ummmm! Software update has been available in Australia for some weeks. Don't even have to take the bike into dealer - just do it with your phone. My issue with the MT is that it is still too tall for me even with the seat in low position. No dogbones so not easy to lower further.
A bigger screen is available Don’t forget the important fact that the tires are tubeless ideal for off road. I like that there are OEM crash bars luggage racks and centre stand and taller seat available and accessories are quite cheap. Otherwise a great review thanks.
6:50 what you talking about? This is their 4th bike using that exact engine, it's not brand new, but it's 100% CFMoto's. The fact that they've used it on 3 other different bikes and the internet hasn't informed on red flags about them is a good sign.
... I weighted my 450MT, including 10 liters fuel, short licence plate holder and screen protection foil it weights 179 kg - weighted with two person scales and values added ...
I like cf Moto but will wait. Depreciation reliability spare parts, let’s see if anything falls apart in 5 years or so. I love my Honda cb500x and they seem to hold their value and are used in the rental market with outstanding mileages.
I was surprised to see how many videos you have produced. I was expecting a whole catalogue of them based on the quality of this video. The community will definitely benefit from your opinion and content. Well done. I don’t even ride motorbikes! Nice video, well done
People who complain about China made are living in a cognitive bubble,China gives what you pay for. You buy very cheap stuff ,you shouldn't expect something in good quality. Nowadays China for example has less issues with the commercial planes then Boeing,same with BYD cars or Huawei phones..the countrie isn't what it was 20 years ago! Alot of engineers that went to europe and the US,UK to study and have work eperiences are also returning to China since the future in China is much brighter and safer then that of the West. Many Western designers and engineers are going to China aswell,to build a business and progress. The saftey and quality laws in China are rapidly changing with its innovation in lead.
ok. I subbed after two and a half minutes. This must be an English spin off channel of a pretty popular one because the quality was great. Keep up the good work!
Good review and wow, your English is amazing. I really liked the use of idiom. The spoiler "thingy" and "cheers" were really nice to hear. Whilst you have a German accent, you don't have that mid Atlantic accent so many European speakers of English have. You should feel proud of your video and your excellent English.
Your video was great! Your unbiased and enthusiastic reaction to this motorcycle was also very enjoyable. Please, keep updating me/us on what are your thoughts on the 450MT!
I noticed it's your 1st video but you made a great one already! i think you are natural for this great point of view and every info about the bike is on point. you're cool man! keep it coming! cheers!
We have a unicorn bike since 1990, the suzuki dr650. 165kg wet, cruising at 120km /h no problems, great maintenance intervals, highly customizable, great offroad with a suspension uograde and pretty comfortable with a seat upgrade
DR650 is awesome but new ones aren't that great of a value considering all the upgrades you'd need to get it closer to something like this. If you can get a used one with the upgrades already done though they are super solid
@TheParaxore well said, "Some people spend another 3k plus to get the dr650 a perfect bike" that's basically 10k after everything. You can buy a nicer bike with 10k that is already set up.
@@josechimal1358 true and not true, a "better" bike for what? 10k will get you a better street bike or 10k will get you a better lighter non street legal bike,sure!!!, but I challenge you to name 1 bike under 10k that is street legal lighter than 165 kg, as reliable as a a dr650, with better offroad performance than an upgraded suspension dr650 and able to cruise comfortably at 130 k/h. And long maintenance intervals as the dr650.
I road the 450mt a couple of weeks ago and I’m impressed. Another con I felt was the biggest one was the snappie throttle. Hopefully they fix the tuning in the short future.
what an excellent, no nonsense and informative review; i have subscribed to follow your journey with the 450MT; i am waiting for mine to arrive at the dealer....any day now i hope.
Honda does have the CB500X in the middle class for travel and adventure. It is right on under 200kg . I think that they are now called the NX500X . So it's an option that is out there. I do admit that the CF MT450 has a place and there is plenty of room for this and many more.
Nice video Luke! It seems Cfmoto is really starting to get a lot of recognition on UA-cam , which is really cool. I bought a 700 CLX last year on a whim, the price was simply irresistable, and I'm pleasantly surprised at how good it actually is, as I wasn't sure about the quality. The 450 and 800 MT's seem to be getting fine reviews from various UA-camrs, so I really need to go and testride one soon😊. Thanks again for a great review!
Da bekommt man Videovorschläge zu Motorrädern die einen interessieren und denkt sich auf einmal: hä, die stimme kenne ich doch?! Viel Erfolg auf dem neuen Kanal Luke! Und auf jeden fall ein geiles Bike, hab mir vor kurzem die NK650 von Cfmoto geholt und es ist wirklich einfach Frei dem motto: Bang for the buck! Macht laune
Not sure you need cruise control. The price would definitely go up, and you would then have "ride by wire" throttle as opposed to cables (which are easy to fix)
I had the oportunity of testing for a couple of days and I have to say I felt in love with the MT450 even my Bike is a ktm 890 I enjoyed every km I did. I tryed to trasmit this in the vídeo I did for the ocasion. Great product!!
This or the Kove 800 are definitely on my radar. I tried building out a more dirt worthy Versys 300 with a KLR front end and custom rear shock but it just didn't have enough or the right power for me. My vstrom has 120,000+ miles on it so I'd love to move it to backup bike duty.
Great review, Luke, thanks for posting. I have the same concerns as you about the dealer network here in the UK (or lack thereof) and potential issues in regard to longevity. Otherwise, cracking value.
In the meantime we have here in the US the Suzuki DR650 and the Kawaski KLR 650, also the unbeatable Honda XR650L. Yet I'm sure the the 450 MT will be launched in fall '24 here in the US, it will be selling in volume. Then the jury is out if it lasts. The US is a good battlefield for competition and consumer feedback.
Hey Luke I am just about to buy one down here in Australia .After seeing your vid ,I think I have made a good choice.I only hope they are durable motor wise cheers Tony
Gracias a tú vídeo he comprado una 450 MT que llegará en enero de 2025. Ya la probé en el concesionario y quede muy sorprendido por la respuesta de su motor y el funcionamiento en general de esta moto, que por seis mil euros solo le falta un regulador de velocidad o control cruise. Me suscribo a tú canal! Saludos!!
My only beef with this commentary and "the gap between 300 and 700cc" is that Honda released the CB500X in 2013: this bike was absolutely ignored by international press until Honda, through various iterations, landed on a 19" front wheel to appease the Adventouring folks. Then, the new XL750 Transalp was released and they had to remarket the smaller sister as NX500 which, strangely enough, looks a lot like this CF450. Now it seems that the press embargo and stigma about A2 bikes has been lifted and everyone realized that you don't need 250+kg behemots to enjoy an adventure on your own. Thank god, it was high time.
A 1 hr trip to see a dealer is not too bad at all, I live in a medium size city in New Zealand & my nearest BMW dealer is about a 5hr ride, so yeah 1hr is a luxury.
Hello! Thanks for your video, very interesting. Please min 10:20, can't properly understand what are you proposing for the 120km/h in highway (cons - red). Thanks!
I agree with your comments regarding dealership network here in the UK they are pretty sparse. I live near a major city with a KTM main dealer who doesn’t stock CF Moto so much for the partnership. The nearest dealer stocking these is about 100 miles from me which makes service and warranty trips unrealistic so no CF Moto for me currently 😢
thanks for the review. Can't wait to test ride it :)
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I would consider 1st gear as similar to a Trial bike, so if You want to crawl superslow between the logs in trial style, I will take it as an advantage, while on Tenere one should slow down with the clutch to make the same manoeuvres.
Newbie here: 10:14 - how do you solve short end-gear? Difference sized sprocked? Isnt it makes you loose warranty? How do you do that, choose the matching sprocket? Thank you!
Ordered mine, just have to wait a little 😂. I loved the part how you explained the CF Moto and KTM relationship. I couldn't stop laughing. Keep up the good work, gonna go watch your 10k test after this. ❤ From Malaysia...
I think its fuel range anxiety and 5000 km service intervals would stop me from buying it. The spare part issue and quality problems have prevented me from buying it. I am going with the 450 Himalayan
I got 1200 km on my in Poland. My other ride is the Rally 300 (in Indonesia). I bought the MT450 for European style ADV rides. The short gear box is a miss, I already have installed 15t front sprocket. That helps some. The off idle fueling is not good (thx euro whatever). Yes skid plate is paper thin. The exhaust is on a loud side, I guess I am old. If you care for your bike, 10k oil changes is bull shitit. Other than that, for the price or with that low price, it's an awesome side roads adv bike.
Jeśli możesz to prośba o podanie linku do oferty z wspomnianą zebatką. CF mam zamówiona ale po doświadczeniach z G310 GS wiem, że to będzie pierwsza rzecz, która wymienię a zamówiłbym już teraz :)
@ibol857 JTF656 15RB. The sprocket nut is tightened a lot. I had to go to a shop and borrow an impact gun. Make sure you eliminate as much of the throttle cable slack as possible. This helps with the off idle stumble somewhat. I ordered my sprocket through the local bike shop.
This bike needs probably both front and rear sprocket change to be useful in Europe. They should have just put longer six gear to solve the problem, I don't understand the idea of having torque fast reving engine and gear rations set up so close to each other just like in sport bike. I bet first gear is not very usable as well.
Excellent review very concise 3k oil change wouldn't bother me its about where I usually change my 390 ..short gearing as you say is easily remedied I'm 6ft so will be interested to see how it fits..screens are always a compromise and i usually end up modifying.. would be interested to learn the fuel range..18/21 proper tubeless wheels excellent...and all at a great price
If im not mistaken,ktms 790s and some spare parts for yamahas top bikes are made by yamaha.also,the quality of this bike is actually top tier!considering it only costs 6k euros.
what I hate: single thumbers, tried it did not like, the fact that 6 foot people totally ignore smaller people's needs and recommend 890 mm seat height bikes, which is why I bought the kawa versys-x = 2 cylinder fitted with 40 HP w/ decent height 158 kg dry weight - that's my bike! As a former owner of a chinese bike I would be very carefull about the metal alloy quality =rust
I see the 450 is great for offroad use but first, I need to get there after making some 600 km. So, the question is very, very simple: Can you cruise at 130 km/h during, say, 2 hours non-stop at a reasonable engine speed (RPMs) with enough power left to, eventually, overtake? Thx!!
Se ve un gran moto, ahora toca disfrutarla. Los frenos J.Juan los ha comprado la marca Brembo osea que no ibas mal tan mal encaminado, son unos frenos muy buenos. Espero tú siguiente vídeo con la 450 MT, ya que yo tengo pensado en comprar una aunque tenga que esperar los cuatro meses que tarda en llegar a Cataluña. Saludos!
I'm not for China here but I'd call a spade a spade. Whenever someone said disparaging things about Made in China stuff, I'd point out that there are only 3 countries running their own space stations: US, Russia and China. That said, between the MT450 and RE Himalayan, I'd probably pick this one.
And to elaborate on the space station thing, China is the only full owner/operator of their own space station in the 21st century. The USA and Russia/Soviet Union retired their own space stations decades ago, and invested in the ISS as part of a multinational joint venture with others, while other space players are merely "planning" to launch new space stations of their own, making China a real unicorn for actually going through with it and succeeding.
Thoughts on this bike as a beginner for new riders? I was looking at the Honda NX500. Thing is I wanted a bike that was good off road as on. Thank you.
No cruise control but that's because that's not a ride-by-wire throttle. At least, it will be easy to repair in the middle of nowhere just like on the T7. 😃
I have the 450MT and love it although I've only had it for 1 week and done 175 kilometers on it. Here in Australia we get 2 years warranty but if you get it serviced at a CF Moto dealer then you get another year.
Servicing is around $350 per minor service. 5000km service intervals so for me thats at least 3x a year for 3 years. Down $3450 just in service in the first 3 years. It adds up. Add a major service in there too for about $1200 and now you’ve just spent half the price of the bike again in the first 3 years. CFMoto are smart with the low service interval and dealer service. I would skip dealer and do it myself but then they might not cover other faults like electrical ones
I'm in Nairobi and there is a Voge dealer here, I wonder how this compares to that 500 or whichever is their equivalent. Any thoughts on this to Voge? I had looked at waiting for a new BMW or KTM to come out, but things are just even extra expensive here... I use it as my primary transport. I had an SYM 200 and I loved it, although the ergonomics were a little cramped, a little underpowered, and it needed longer better suspension. I have a BMW 650 GS right now from 2007 and it's so beat up and heavy it's just too much work pushing around crappy roads with speed bumps everywhere and traffic
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Correction: the weight stated in the video is wrong, as the German official CFMoto site got it wrong 😂. It is 175kg dry, so similar to the Royal Enfield Himalayan. The brakes are also not directly from Brembo as it turns out but instead from their spanish sub brand J.Juan. Sorry about that, annoys me to no end that I got that wrong.
Saw a post somewhere, the dude weighted the bike, total wet is 195KG
Yep, or close to it@@ganzmontejo4176
I think the biggest effect is rider weight. If you're over 100kgs, then every bike you ride will feel heavy 😅
@@bobz1736 the heaviest thing in a bike is the rider's ego 😁
The wet weight of the 450mt is 190+ kg
I've had my 450MT out here in Australia for about 3 weeks and absolutley love it!
I see heaps of them in Oz they look amazing :) and everybody is happy:).
Truly shocking cause back in time everybody was laughing from CFMOTO I guess not anymore good job :)
Enjoy the bike I will buy soon as well:)
Would you really recommend buying it? I want to buy it but I'm not 100% sure yet. 😢😢😢
@@Mariauccellino they sell for 6500 EUR in Cyprus ... for that money I cant find a used Tenere and imho the Tenere is too top heavy to ride it with confidence into difficult terrain unless you have a couple of friends with you to help pulling you out.
I ride a Tenere now and still have my KTM 640 ADVENTURE which feels like a bicycle compared to the Tenere..
A very constructive and unbiased review. I will purchasing one next year myself. I don't care about people's opinions on bikes made in China as they are pretty quick to dismiss how many things they purchase are made in the same country.
CF Moto are going to become major players quickly if the Japanese don't pull their socks up.
Keep up the good work and God bless. 👍🏿
Who cares if you buy from China. Good luck my friend.
Indeed, yes
I have 2 Hondas and according to Honda about 30% of their supply chain is in China. Hard if not impossible to buy Chinese-free bikes.
Great point of view❤❤❤
W for us riders. Let the competition begin!
A short 1st gear is what you want when you go Off road, the absolute opposite of "pretty useless" I'd say. So that's another plus in my book
Sounds like you may have done some adventure riding 😂😂👍
True enough, but what I really want in an ADV bike is a really low 1st, low 2nd, lowish 3rd, normal 4th, slightly overdrive 5th and tall 6th. This arrangement only works with a torqy motor. Like this one!
@@davidc1961utube agreed, first 4 gears should be as short as possible to maximize acceleration and power usage... and 5/6 overdrive. But most people do not use full rpm range, shifting at 5000rpm and then complaining how 1st gear is useless, haha weird...
Exactly
I have been riding a CF Moto 700 CLX for 2 years now as a 2nd bike besides a big ADV bike. The bike does good. No issues, no surprises. As there is no dealership near, i do maintenance myself. The 450 seems to be just cool. I will soon do a testride.
Great review. I have the 800 MT and it's really great. Just made a 3000 km trip in Europe with start and finish in Sweden. Thanks!
how's the engine reliability, The original ktm engine the 800mt engine is based on had massive issues with the camshafts. wonder if they've fixed it ?
@@axeami1354 hi. I've had no issues at all with the bike. I think I've found the perfect combo of bikes. This Mt800 and my -23 Husqvarna 701 sm. One perfect for longer distances riding in comfort and one for commute, track and everyday fun.
I am increasingly hearing good things about CFMoto.
I've had mine in Australia for a few weeks, and have done 1,200kms. Agree regarding the gearing being too short. I fitted a 15-tooth front sprocket (up 1 tooth), and that makes cruising at 110kph (max legal speed in Oz) much more comfortable, dropping by about 500rpm compared to standard, and making the speedo much more accurate. First gear becomes more usable, even off road, as the motor has a very good bottom end and mid range. I think a 16-tooth sprocket would fit if you were going to be doing a lot of freeway/autobahn riding.
For my height (170cm) it's very comfortable on the highway with the screen raised. I can easily reach the ground, unlike on the bigger adv bikes - I'd love a T7, but I just don't fit!
Other cons - from the factory the suspension is way too hard, but is easily softened. The fueling isn't perfect, being a little bit on/off at low speed - hopefully that will be fixed via software update. Yes, cruise control would be very nice, but it's a cable throttle rather than ride-by-wire, so that would require significant hardware update.
Could fit a Vista Cruise thumb lock cruise control, and it’s cheap.
Dont get your hopes up for software updated - its a fools promise just to sell you an incomplere product. Idea of updating the software is very nice but unfortunately it is very rarely used to benefit customers in the long run.
@@mnap89 Ummmm! Software update has been available in Australia for some weeks. Don't even have to take the bike into dealer - just do it with your phone. My issue with the MT is that it is still too tall for me even with the seat in low position. No dogbones so not easy to lower further.
@@mnap89 I own their 800nk, it gives regular updates so idk what u mean by its a fools promise.
@@mnap89 Wonderfully misinformed comment mate....
So good when a new player enters the market. Looks like that KTM partnership will truly benefit the customer over the long run.
This engine already has 3 existing variants. 450NK (Naked) 450SR (Sports) 450CLC (Cruiser) All of which has been out for more than a year.
New doesn't mean came out yesterday, it means new project, original engine, not borrowed from other brands.
@@ianmoone6562 he said “new” models coming out implying that this is the first variant for the bunch.
A bigger screen is available
Don’t forget the important fact that the tires are tubeless ideal for off road. I like that there are OEM crash bars luggage racks and centre stand and taller seat available and accessories are quite cheap. Otherwise a great review thanks.
Mine has just arrived at the dealership. I can't wait to get on it and go and put my wheels off-road
6:50 what you talking about? This is their 4th bike using that exact engine, it's not brand new, but it's 100% CFMoto's. The fact that they've used it on 3 other different bikes and the internet hasn't informed on red flags about them is a good sign.
Great review 👌
The 450 is 175 kg dry not wet.
Keep up the good work :)
... I weighted my 450MT, including 10 liters fuel, short licence plate holder and screen protection foil it weights 179 kg - weighted with two person scales and values added ...
Amazing, you must of got a prototype with an aluminium frame! There is videos on fb and UA-cam of them being weighed and they weigh 194kg
@@slakk5093 Something is weird about the weight.I stand beside when she was weight,and with full fuel she was about 185 kg.🤔
@@markuswormann8852 maybe a problem with your scales? Or have you changed the exhaust system or removed the wheels?
@@slakk5093 calibrated scale,stock wheels and exhaust.No ballast removed.
@@markuswormann8852 Why would CFMoto quote 195 wet then.
Bought my 450NK about 2 months ago. This little engine is the real deal. Sounds amazing and makes good power everywhere you need it.
I like cf Moto but will wait.
Depreciation reliability spare parts, let’s see if anything falls apart in 5 years or so. I love my Honda cb500x and they seem to hold their value and are used in the rental market with outstanding mileages.
Sam, you will wait five years, you may not still be on planet earth. Get out there and buy one and get the job done, if it's not you sell it.
I was surprised to see how many videos you have produced. I was expecting a whole catalogue of them based on the quality of this video. The community will definitely benefit from your opinion and content. Well done. I don’t even ride motorbikes! Nice video, well done
People who complain about China made are living in a cognitive bubble,China gives what you pay for. You buy very cheap stuff ,you shouldn't expect something in good quality. Nowadays China for example has less issues with the commercial planes then Boeing,same with BYD cars or Huawei phones..the countrie isn't what it was 20 years ago! Alot of engineers that went to europe and the US,UK to study and have work eperiences are also returning to China since the future in China is much brighter and safer then that of the West. Many Western designers and engineers are going to China aswell,to build a business and progress. The saftey and quality laws in China are rapidly changing with its innovation in lead.
You're missing the main point. China does not share the west's values and seeks to subjugate us. I'd.rather pay more and have a clear conscience.
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@@nomekingg Yes you definitly won the conversation/debate 👈
Agree 💯
Damned right. Xiaomi phones are ace as well. EVs good. Bikes coming along , still fall short of the big 4 though
ok. I subbed after two and a half minutes. This must be an English spin off channel of a pretty popular one because the quality was great. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the review. Will check in later in the summer
Thank you very much man for the review! 👏🔥
Good review and wow, your English is amazing. I really liked the use of idiom. The spoiler "thingy" and "cheers" were really nice to hear. Whilst you have a German accent, you don't have that mid Atlantic accent so many European speakers of English have. You should feel proud of your video and your excellent English.
15/45 sprockets fixes the cruising 4om and still keeps it good for offroad
Your video was great! Your unbiased and enthusiastic reaction to this motorcycle was also very enjoyable. Please, keep updating me/us on what are your thoughts on the 450MT!
I noticed it's your 1st video but you made a great one already! i think you are natural for this great point of view and every info about the bike is on point. you're cool man! keep it coming! cheers!
We have a unicorn bike since 1990, the suzuki dr650.
165kg wet, cruising at 120km /h no problems, great maintenance intervals, highly customizable, great offroad with a suspension uograde and pretty comfortable with a seat upgrade
The dr650 is not available in Europe due to emission regulations. It’s only in the used market now
@@Pierre-louisGannethat sucks!!!!
DR650 is awesome but new ones aren't that great of a value considering all the upgrades you'd need to get it closer to something like this.
If you can get a used one with the upgrades already done though they are super solid
@TheParaxore well said, "Some people spend another 3k plus to get the dr650 a perfect bike" that's basically 10k after everything. You can buy a nicer bike with 10k that is already set up.
@@josechimal1358 true and not true, a "better" bike for what? 10k will get you a better street bike or 10k will get you a better lighter non street legal bike,sure!!!, but I challenge you to name 1 bike under 10k that is street legal lighter than 165 kg, as reliable as a a dr650, with better offroad performance than an upgraded suspension dr650 and able to cruise comfortably at 130 k/h. And long maintenance intervals as the dr650.
I road the 450mt a couple of weeks ago and I’m impressed. Another con I felt was the biggest one was the snappie throttle. Hopefully they fix the tuning in the short future.
what an excellent, no nonsense and informative review; i have subscribed to follow your journey with the 450MT; i am waiting for mine to arrive at the dealer....any day now i hope.
Honda does have the CB500X in the middle class for travel and adventure. It is right on under 200kg . I think that they are now called the NX500X . So it's an option that is out there. I do admit that the CF MT450 has a place and there is plenty of room for this and many more.
Glad to know all the cons are minor and for me I can manage those hoping to have this bike at the end of the year. Great video by the way cheers mate!
Fantastic honest review with some great footage and editing. Well done and thank you 😊
Thanks a lot, Roy!
Nice video Luke! It seems Cfmoto is really starting to get a lot of recognition on UA-cam , which is really cool. I bought a 700 CLX last year on a whim, the price was simply irresistable, and I'm pleasantly surprised at how good it actually is, as I wasn't sure about the quality. The 450 and 800 MT's seem to be getting fine reviews from various UA-camrs, so I really need to go and testride one soon😊. Thanks again for a great review!
Cheers! Did you notice any reliability issues with your bike so far?
Da bekommt man Videovorschläge zu Motorrädern die einen interessieren und denkt sich auf einmal: hä, die stimme kenne ich doch?! Viel Erfolg auf dem neuen Kanal Luke! Und auf jeden fall ein geiles Bike, hab mir vor kurzem die NK650 von Cfmoto geholt und es ist wirklich einfach Frei dem motto: Bang for the buck! Macht laune
haha danke dir! 😂
Not sure you need cruise control. The price would definitely go up, and you would then have "ride by wire" throttle as opposed to cables (which are easy to fix)
I had the oportunity of testing for a couple of days and I have to say I felt in love with the MT450 even my Bike is a ktm 890 I enjoyed every km I did. I tryed to trasmit this in the vídeo I did for the ocasion. Great product!!
Thanks for the honest review, mate. Great video! Here in China it costs only around 4300 USD. Will definitely consider it as my next bike.
Sorry it's 196 kilo with fuel not 176 !
10/10 video! Seriously! Great videography and information. Subbed!
This or the Kove 800 are definitely on my radar. I tried building out a more dirt worthy Versys 300 with a KLR front end and custom rear shock but it just didn't have enough or the right power for me. My vstrom has 120,000+ miles on it so I'd love to move it to backup bike duty.
Lucky man, super review, thanks.
The weight is almost 195kg wet. People have weighed it in the UK.
@@nigelfisher6896Is English your first language? You don’t seem to understand a very simple post.
@@davidmatthews3093 He is right. What is your issue. Maybe it is you having difficulties with english language.
0:20 175kg wet? I think is 175kg dry so lets add 20-22kg more.. fuel tank capacity is 17.5l
Fuel: 17.5L = 14kg
Oil: 2.5L = 2.25kg
Coolant 1.5L = 1.5Kg
Brake fluid 300-400g?
TOTAL: about 18KG or so, did I forget something
@jutjub22 so total 193kg not 197kg that's game changer
Great review, Luke, thanks for posting. I have the same concerns as you about the dealer network here in the UK (or lack thereof) and potential issues in regard to longevity. Otherwise, cracking value.
I will be waiting for your full long term review bro!
In the meantime we have here in the US the Suzuki DR650 and the Kawaski KLR 650, also the unbeatable Honda XR650L. Yet I'm sure the the 450 MT will be launched in fall '24 here in the US, it will be selling in volume. Then the jury is out if it lasts. The US is a good battlefield for competition and consumer feedback.
Love the 450CC adventure segment, can't wait for the 450GS
Hey Luke I am just about to buy one down here in Australia .After seeing your vid ,I think I have made a good choice.I only hope they are durable motor wise cheers Tony
Gracias a tú vídeo he comprado una 450 MT que llegará en enero de 2025. Ya la probé en el concesionario y quede muy sorprendido por la respuesta de su motor y el funcionamiento en general de esta moto, que por seis mil euros solo le falta un regulador de velocidad o control cruise. Me suscribo a tú canal! Saludos!!
My only beef with this commentary and "the gap between 300 and 700cc" is that Honda released the CB500X in 2013: this bike was absolutely ignored by international press until Honda, through various iterations, landed on a 19" front wheel to appease the Adventouring folks.
Then, the new XL750 Transalp was released and they had to remarket the smaller sister as NX500 which, strangely enough, looks a lot like this CF450.
Now it seems that the press embargo and stigma about A2 bikes has been lifted and everyone realized that you don't need 250+kg behemots to enjoy an adventure on your own.
Thank god, it was high time.
Awesome feedback. I just got a Scram 400X but this one looks like you say that perfect mix of adv and every day riding.
The bike is 175kg DRY!. Fully fuelled with oil and water it comes in around 197kg. The same as Honda's NX500.
yes he said it on antoher platform, was mistake by ct moto on their homepage, he corrected it but that only became apparent later
That was quality content! Subscribed immediately. GJ 👍
A 1 hr trip to see a dealer is not too bad at all, I live in a medium size city in New Zealand & my nearest BMW dealer is about a 5hr ride, so yeah 1hr is a luxury.
I guess it's all a matter of perspective.
I live in Novi Sad, Serbia and my CFmoto dealer is 10 minutes away.
An hour away sounds like forever to me.
I think this will dent Honda's sales figures of their cb500x /nx500 range
This bike bike will slaughter Himalayan sales.
Hahah... never ever!
Hello! Thanks for your video, very interesting. Please min 10:20, can't properly understand what are you proposing for the 120km/h in highway (cons - red). Thanks!
I agree with your comments regarding dealership network here in the UK they are pretty sparse. I live near a major city with a KTM main dealer who doesn’t stock CF Moto so much for the partnership. The nearest dealer stocking these is about 100 miles from me which makes service and warranty trips unrealistic so no CF Moto for me currently 😢
The GS in this great video is awesome. But the 450 looks really exciting too.
I'm already looking forward to your next videos 😘
thanks for the review. Can't wait to test ride it :)
I would consider 1st gear as similar to a Trial bike, so if You want to crawl superslow between the logs in trial style, I will take it as an advantage, while on Tenere one should slow down with the clutch to make the same manoeuvres.
Piñón de 15 o de 16 y de maravilla
Mines on order now, Can't wait to throw it around the Jungles here in Vietnam...
Newbie here: 10:14 - how do you solve short end-gear? Difference sized sprocked? Isnt it makes you loose warranty? How do you do that, choose the matching sprocket? Thank you!
Ordered mine, just have to wait a little 😂. I loved the part how you explained the CF Moto and KTM relationship. I couldn't stop laughing. Keep up the good work, gonna go watch your 10k test after this. ❤ From Malaysia...
Thanks, Raymond!
i have the CF moto 450NK and im loving it! got new exhaust on it sounds awesome! this is my next buy i think
The 450 platform is actually already in their 450SS(SR) and 450NK bikes. I love my 450NK, besides the low RPM jerking.
I think its fuel range anxiety and 5000 km service intervals would stop me from buying it. The spare part issue and quality problems have prevented me from buying it. I am going with the 450 Himalayan
What an amazing video. Thank you!
This bike brought me to you, and I think I've fallen in love with it. I hope I can own one someday.
I got 1200 km on my in Poland. My other ride is the Rally 300 (in Indonesia). I bought the MT450 for European style ADV rides. The short gear box is a miss, I already have installed 15t front sprocket. That helps some. The off idle fueling is not good (thx euro whatever). Yes skid plate is paper thin. The exhaust is on a loud side, I guess I am old. If you care for your bike, 10k oil changes is bull shitit. Other than that, for the price or with that low price, it's an awesome side roads adv bike.
Jeśli możesz to prośba o podanie linku do oferty z wspomnianą zebatką. CF mam zamówiona ale po doświadczeniach z G310 GS wiem, że to będzie pierwsza rzecz, która wymienię a zamówiłbym już teraz :)
@ibol857 JTF656 15RB. The sprocket nut is tightened a lot. I had to go to a shop and borrow an impact gun. Make sure you eliminate as much of the throttle cable slack as possible. This helps with the off idle stumble somewhat.
I ordered my sprocket through the local bike shop.
@@pawelwolski1316 Thank you!
This bike needs probably both front and rear sprocket change to be useful in Europe. They should have just put longer six gear to solve the problem, I don't understand the idea of having torque fast reving engine and gear rations set up so close to each other just like in sport bike. I bet first gear is not very usable as well.
Pawel how does 450MT compare co CRF in your eyes?
I go to the CFmoto website and they don't even show any 450's??? what's going on there?
Excellent review very concise 3k oil change wouldn't bother me its about where I usually change my 390 ..short gearing as you say is easily remedied I'm 6ft so will be interested to see how it fits..screens are always a compromise and i usually end up modifying.. would be interested to learn the fuel range..18/21 proper tubeless wheels excellent...and all at a great price
Fantastic video, looking forward for review after Asia.
The speed issue isn’t as big of a problem here in Australia- we’re between 100/110kmh top legal speed. McCruise also do an aftermarket cruise control
If im not mistaken,ktms 790s and some spare parts for yamahas top bikes are made by yamaha.also,the quality of this bike is actually top tier!considering it only costs 6k euros.
Thanks. I know have found my new bike. I'm a new rider, so I guess this will be perfect for me.
what I hate: single thumbers, tried it did not like, the fact that 6 foot people totally ignore smaller people's needs and recommend 890 mm seat height bikes, which is why I bought the kawa versys-x = 2 cylinder fitted with 40 HP w/ decent height 158 kg dry weight - that's my bike! As a former owner of a chinese bike I would be very carefull about the metal alloy quality =rust
I see the 450 is great for offroad use but first, I need to get there after making some 600 km. So, the question is very, very simple: Can you cruise at 130 km/h during, say, 2 hours non-stop at a reasonable engine speed (RPMs) with enough power left to, eventually, overtake? Thx!!
Yes you can. I did change to a 15tooth front sprocket, and i can cruise at 135kph all day now. And i still have enough power left.
@@MotoSly Does that change cause any harm to the engine?
First time viewing your channel. Excellent review and well made! Will subscribe
Thanks!
Se ve un gran moto, ahora toca disfrutarla. Los frenos J.Juan los ha comprado la marca Brembo osea que no ibas mal tan mal encaminado, son unos frenos muy buenos. Espero tú siguiente vídeo con la 450 MT, ya que yo tengo pensado en comprar una aunque tenga que esperar los cuatro meses que tarda en llegar a Cataluña. Saludos!
I'm not for China here but I'd call a spade a spade. Whenever someone said disparaging things about Made in China stuff, I'd point out that there are only 3 countries running their own space stations: US, Russia and China.
That said, between the MT450 and RE Himalayan, I'd probably pick this one.
true plus mt 450 is a twin engine
And to elaborate on the space station thing, China is the only full owner/operator of their own space station in the 21st century. The USA and Russia/Soviet Union retired their own space stations decades ago, and invested in the ISS as part of a multinational joint venture with others, while other space players are merely "planning" to launch new space stations of their own, making China a real unicorn for actually going through with it and succeeding.
Great looking and performer dealers say October deliverys in Canada 🇨🇦 maybe.
Really enjoyed your review... Keep it up 💪
I'm looking to downsize and get something more off-road capable, and this might just fit the bill.
Impressed
For myself, I can’t help but wonder if the marginally heavier Tuareg 660 isn’t a better tool most of the time
Great review, cheers from 🇦🇺
Grazie!
Thoughts on this bike as a beginner for new riders? I was looking at the Honda NX500. Thing is I wanted a bike that was good off road as on. Thank you.
No cruise control but that's because that's not a ride-by-wire throttle. At least, it will be easy to repair in the middle of nowhere just like on the T7. 😃
Great review 👍
I think with the likes of CF Moto, the biking world will be a very different place in 5 to 10 years' time.😳
That engine is already in use with CFMoto's sports 450SR which was released last year.
I have the 450MT and love it although I've only had it for 1 week and done 175 kilometers on it. Here in Australia we get 2 years warranty but if you get it serviced at a CF Moto dealer then you get another year.
Servicing is around $350 per minor service. 5000km service intervals so for me thats at least 3x a year for 3 years. Down $3450 just in service in the first 3 years. It adds up. Add a major service in there too for about $1200 and now you’ve just spent half the price of the bike again in the first 3 years. CFMoto are smart with the low service interval and dealer service. I would skip dealer and do it myself but then they might not cover other faults like electrical ones
I'm in Nairobi and there is a Voge dealer here, I wonder how this compares to that 500 or whichever is their equivalent. Any thoughts on this to Voge? I had looked at waiting for a new BMW or KTM to come out, but things are just even extra expensive here... I use it as my primary transport. I had an SYM 200 and I loved it, although the ergonomics were a little cramped, a little underpowered, and it needed longer better suspension. I have a BMW 650 GS right now from 2007 and it's so beat up and heavy it's just too much work pushing around crappy roads with speed bumps everywhere and traffic
What a awesome bike
yes!
Hey Luke, nice Video. You mentioned the Himalayan from RE. Old or new one? And if new one, how do you compare to 450MT? Thanks
Nice video mate. Lovely scenery too. Will subscribe for updates😊
Hello Luke, short gears do fit perfectly to this kind of Adventure bikes. period.
Tiene buena pinta la CF 450, gracias por el vídeo
How does power and suspension compare to the 390? I have one and this seems like a excellent upgrade
Awesome review! How's the seat comfort? For me, that's a point of torture on my Himalayan and Continental GT 650.
How do you think it stacks up against xr650l or the drz400 dr650?
would be nice if you could get them at the KTM dealer... Now the real question is do i want the CFmoto 450 or the KTM 790...