Carl Jung - Ending Your Inner Civil War (read by Alan Watts)
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- Опубліковано 22 жов 2020
- Alan Watts had a radio show in the 60s where he read this passage of Jung's work after Jung died. Alan Watts was a tremendous admirer or Jung and his passage really stuck out in his mind.
In this passage, which Jung read to a group of clergy, he talks about what it takes to successfully heal someone and oneself -- that one must come to terms with your own dark side, before you can accept the dark side of another.
Once this happens, which - Jung says - is a moral achievement, then you see how egoism and neurosis in yourself or something else actually LEADS to change.
"The demon of egoism is the royal road to that in-gathering that religious experience is about."
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Alan Watts reading Carl Jung.
My life is now complete
It’s funny to me how people idolize Watts. He was a very eloquent speaker and very educated in eastern philosophy and spirituality, however that’s where it ended, because he died a miserable alcoholic death. So for all of his knowledge and charisma, he did not, or could not practice what he preached- and was nowhere near enlightened.
Careful with Watts: you’ll end up sleeping all day.
@@rachelw821 You just don’t get it yet. 😉😂
And they say endgame was a ambitious crossover
@@NebrasQreni do you know what alcoholic death looks like? Do you know about alcoholism at all? It’s literally being a slave to a substance. Lol. I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that you people in this thread who are so pro Watts (“you just can’t understand his greatness!!!- he was THAT great!!!”😆) are just young and idealistic in your romanticism of a man, who for all of his eloquent lecturing, was not even able to free himself. As someone who has dealt with addiction and alcoholism on a personal level, let me tell you that it’s nothing nice for the alcoholic at a certain point, and certainly not to die that way. All the philosophies he preached about were ultimately about getting free. He repeated information well- was no doubt a good professor. However, he was nobody I would want or claim to follow- that’s all.
We are simultaneously the doctor and the patient.
The painter and the canvas, the child and the parent.
The marble and the sculptor
We are the Prisoner, the Prison and the Prison Guard! 🍄🗝🧩☯️
Blac G. .. no we aren't both...one is always destroying anyone....... thats satan... GOD warned us ........
GOD Is Good..... satan isn't, its enemy to all
We cannot change anything until we accept it. Condemnation does not liberate, it oppresses.
i heard that was the first thing Rosa Parks said lol
The people that are fearful of death haven't really survived or been through enough to know none of us are exempt. Your belief system is all you will ever be. There are so many traps man have been sold.and only one way out of them. There is truth. There is a way. But we are all wanting a false sense of security.. insurance ? Doctors?. Man was never supposed to have this much power. The fear of losing anything.fear is a total restraint. And it can't be planted in someone once they escape it ... How many people face the day even if it kills them ? One day it does. Do we stay in bed because we know that day will come ? You guys really don't wanna celebrate holidays with family cause someone could get sick ? All the different opinions that are argued at dinner because of different beliefs. You never really miss someone till you miss even what you disliked them doin.we are all just walking the plank. #dontanswertheknock
@@Michael-qk3hh He's not talking about objects or purely wild natures, he's talking about human beings
@@Michael-qk3hh why would i want to change you? And of course I know nothing about you. I don't even believe in people changing each other, I think this concepts fits to the individual alone (sorry if my english is bad, not my mother tongue)
@@Michael-qk3hh You can make a rock into something more than a rock (like a building) but you will not unless you recognize the potential of a mere rock.
The part that really hit me was when he said "Simple things are always the most difficult. In actual life it requires the greatest art to be simple." That sounds like a worthy goal I'm going to work harder at.
the simplest thing I've come to realize is to center my self on the breath, coz it by default brings the mind, body and soul to the here and now. and yet, the feeling of here and now and alignment feels foreign to us, we try to go back to the thought and thinking train.
You don't need to work hard at it, it's simple 😉.
If you tell the world your going to do something ,the world will say oh yeah asshole,,
Saw this comment was from 9 months ago, would love to know how you’re doing :) @MyFamiliar
@@tylergulbas7632 Work in progress but worth the effort ;-)
"Only in the state of complete abandonment and loneliness that we experience the helpful powers of our own natures" ~ Carl Jung
@@muneebiqbal5584 When you become alone and have time to think you realize certain things. With the internet and phones it's easier to not be alone when you are on your own, but with real time spent contemplating with only yourself, these awarenesses come to light.
"We cannot change anything until we accept it." Truly wise words.
The Serenity Prayer begins asking for acceptance, so I can accept the things that I cannot change.
@@leandrojarocho there is nothing you cant change once you accepted it
We must eventually accept the truth.
I'm a psychotherapist who is a supervisor to young therapists(not yet fully licensed)- and they often ponder how someone with psychological flaws and wounds can help someone. I'll have them all listen to this for sure. I will often tell them: " Who better to walk through hell with than someone who knows the path?" Carl Jung truly approached his patients without Judgement.
12 step sponsors are in this mold.
As someone who still go's through hell everyday and is in the helping profession, sometimes I feel so ill equipped, thanks for this encouragement.
Indeed and most of the best doctors have been motivated by their own illness at least an illness in the family. Only natural!
Can you elaborate?
Those who suffer have common ground and reflection with those they help. To help others is to help yourself. Everyone has flaws and wounds but as they say, the wounds let the light in…
For those who wish to read this passage for themselves and explore more deeply into Jung's literature, you can find it in his compilation of essays called "Modern Man in Search of a Soul". Such incredible insight within this profound and dense volume. The passage in question however is found at the very near end of the book, chapter 12.
thank you
Is the book hard to understand?
@@deepalijoshi4631 It's Jung, ofcourse.
Thank you kindly for sharing this info
Are you sure? The version I have now only has 11 chapters.
"What seems good has kept alive the forces of evil"
that sentence killed me
yes, the nature of duality is indeed the need for two opposite forces. Hence the importance of not judging something good or bad. Non duality is a complete lack of good and bad. It just is. I am that I am. This will never give birth to a negative force. I am that I am. The truth of it is absolute. Unchanging.
Me too
We should try to avoid hipocrisy
neti, neti...
@@r.p.8906❤
So many psychologists have written so many books about problems that have one solution. Love
Jung once wrote: "we always find two main causes of psychic catastrophes: on the one hand a disappointment in love and on the other hand a thwarting of the striving for power."
Jung wrote: "Human thought cannot conceive any system or final truth that could give the patient what he needs in order to live: that is faith, hope, love and insight. These four highest achievements of human effort are so many gifts of grace, which are neither given nor taken, neither withheld nor earned, since they come through experience, which is something GIVEN, and therefore beyond the reach of human caprice. Experiences cannot be made. They happen. - The way to experience, moreover, is anything but a clever trick; it is rather a venture which requires us to commit ourselves with our whole Being."
@@forceofchaos1 that is a great quote. thank you. which book is that in?
I like the (well known)idea of confronting a knotty problem with surrounding it with four chairs . Your opinion on one chair , another person's on another and so on . So you are forced to see the problem with 3d glasses ,as it were .
So many psychologists have also treated patients permanently wounded by relationships with psychosocial predators stemming from one problem: Love
Professing ideals online to strangers to draw credit for a stolen, obnoxiously obvious panacea is lovely in notion, delusional and deceptive in reality.
Hatred and love, both oxytocin, evolved in conjuction for a reason. They are both equally useful. Humans are largely too biased, naive, and afraid to wield both with competence though.
Self-righteousness on the other hand is manmade, and largely useless unless proving what one lacks: moral judgement. (your northstar needs adjustment)
My love for psychology books taught me much of that 😉❤
‘There’s something about him I don’t like about me.” Dr. Phil said his Father said this all the time.
i don't get it, could you elaborate?
@@wijny4222 I think it’s a way not to pass judgement, and to recognize that every human is a like and the worst things that we hate in others are present within us. In conjunction with this Jung lecture, he’s speaking towards listening to someone without condemnation, in order to heal them because condemnation only separates us. I look at what Dr. Phil’s father said as a quick and easy way to not pass judgement but to work on ourselves instead, if everyone did that we’d all be better off much faster than spreading hate or forcing our ways on others. Keep fixing yourself to be a better example, and don’t hate b/c you destroy your ability to change and affect others when hating them. There’s also just a happy go lucky/care free essence to the quote, to walk around and examine as a true neutral and look at the world as a reflection of yourself and to say, “There’s something about him that I don’t like about me.” At its core I think it’s a profound little quip, when you peel back the layers. That’s what it means to me at least, hope this helps.
@@wijny4222 It speaks of a well known defense mechanism to project to the outside our internal conflicts. It can manifest in many ways, but a common one is to be triggered by someone else displaying behaviors that we struggle internally with. We may not have clarity about this struggle, because we often compensate for it, and so observing our own reactions or emotions can be a great insight, if one is ready to accept it.
@@chmd22 this just blew my mind. i oftentimes get irritated when my sister does stuff that i try not to do. now i feel bad about getting angry to her but it's very hard to surpress, right? in the moment is different than looking back on it later
@@wijny4222 If you suppress anger then it manifests in other ways, even harder to decipher. Some time ago, I was trying to pay my CC before the deadline and the website was down. I was seething with anger at the company, until I realized that my anger was really about my waiting until the last minute. It diffused it, but the real progress was to put a system in place to avoid this kind of situation, and even more generally, to ask myself why I tend to wait until the last minute to pay bills, when it's not even (knock on wood) a money issue. This led to more insight, and so on.
one of the best thing that I love about this kind of videos, besides of how they hit your heart like a bus filled with pillows without feeling any pain just seeing your eyes tear up, is the fact that the comments are filled with people sharing their beautiful thoughts and quotes, just wanted to say thank you all for being your self.
I am impressed with the comments as well. What a pleasure to read such deep and respectful comments. A breath of fresh air.
Yes I agree. We are all so vulnerable and that's a comfort
Agreed.
"...they hit your heart like a bus filled with pillows..." 🥰
Lol are you kidding? Reading the comments on one of these vids is the WORST thing you could do. A bunch of pretentious blowhards who never did ANYTHING, talking about what THEY think is important in life or how to be successful? *Its the definition of irony*
“End of quote.”
Damn.
That was a mic drop moment for sure
This shit is crazy, Carl Jung was a genius. Describes me head on, been struggling with this shit my whole life, it’s liberating in a way, I know I am not fully integrated yet and that is Ok, I believe I am on my way. I hated and hid every insecurity about myself, not realizing it was the very thing that gave me my power. Literally the shit out of legends and myths. Love and light to all, stay sharp.
Wow, your thought,so useful and real😇
Yeah dude my same exact thoughts after hearing this, this shit is crazy haha. It's awesome, love jung.
Alan Watts reading Carl Jung. My God that was satisfying.
"Only in the state of complete abandonment and loneliness can we experience the helpful powers of our own nature"
this is very resonant for an old soul like myself..
How old is your soul?
@@pseudoesquizofrenico I feel hundreds if not thousands of years old some days on a soul level. But my earth years is 33
@@gtiszavari8429 Whoa, that's some serious age! At this point, I'm pretty sure your soul is eligible for retirement.
@@pseudoesquizofrenico oh yes this will be my last incarnation...I guess I'm like a fine wine in some regard haha, I know there is still work to do, beauty to share and souls to guide in the meantime. Love and light to you.
@@gtiszavari8429 You are as everyone else INFINITE OLD.
In recent years I went to hospitals many times as a patient. The most open judgement I have ever felt were from doctors and nurses. At times I was so shocked by their judgemental comments that I found myself lost for words. I began to feel sorry for them, sorry for them being trapped in a job which brings out the worst in them. I began to see them as the 'ill' and myself as the 'healthy'.
Im a nurse..and I apologize for them..I myself have been treated like this as a patient. It feels degrading like you are wasting their time.. Alot of Doctors in hospital get treated like royalty..and everyone else is subserviant. I think some nurses mirror this..not all. But the good ones are hard to find.
They hate people and have chosen to do the job of helping them.
That's what happens when you do a job just cause your parents told you it's a good thing. They hate themselves and try to release the hate to others so they can keep being functional.
@@amantin
I dunno man, the institution itself can impose a will of it's own.
Many doctors and even nurses can be some of the biggest pieces of shit in the world, in that they choose the worst moment of a person's life to kick them when they're down. It goes way beyond unprofessional when they mock and ridicule people at their most vulnerable, who came to them for help, often in desperation at their wits' end. They betray their Hippocratic Oath, obviously, and they betray the public who have little choice but to place their very lives in the hands of these assholes.
The irony of this whole talk is that you can’t share it with anyone, for the sheer act of sharing this with someone that needs to hear it causes them to drift further away from the realization that everyone is divine by their own right!
Perhaps I’ll prefix this when I do share it, but then again that’s my ego trying to convince me that others need my help.
Nah! They can suffer and be better for it! And I’ll watch and be their open ear to talk with if they care to share.
I have a long road ahead to develop the art of listening. God speed...
That was good man.
Your accepting and natural energy will allow those people to prosper. Just by being around them in nonjudgement and love, will raise their spirits. I am still learning this but after years of trying to change people, the only thing that ever works is being in the present moment always and not judging nor trying to change one. They will then become their true selves, whatever that means.
There are ways to be a spark for others or to be a catalyst for good. But that help must be given freely. You must not help them more than you help yourself. You don’t know exactly when it might happen but you can help make the conditions better for it when it does.
Dude yes to this and the comments as well.
Oh is that how we all work
Carl Jung carried the message of a spiritual awakening to Roland Hazard, who in turn carried this message to Ebby Thatcher, who in turn carried it to Bill Wilson the founder of Alcoholics Anonymous. Much of what Jung speaks about here is manifested in the rooms of AA. That we must never deprive anyone of their suffering, for at the rock bottom in the dark miasma of loneliness comes the ability to finally change. Thank you Carl Jung. You are responsible for my sobriety today and millions of lives saved and healed in 12 Step Recovery across the world.
25yrs one day
@atime
Good to hear my own recognition of aspects of being in the rooms of AA are not unfounded. The non judgemental atmosphere... the realisation that my darkest times and my rock bottom are my greatest gifts, at least when it comes to being of any help to others
actually it was LSD. Willson wanted it to be part of the program, he got out voted.
@@OpenSourceCitizen Another very interesting chapter of AA history that is frowned upon for some reason. As an addict I choose to avoid any psychedelics but I'm open minded to some of it too
“We must never deprive anyone of their suffering “ hits different
Thank you for sharing
"...that I myself might stand in need of my own kindness..."
I have finally accepted the evil, bad, imperfection etc within me. And I have never felt more wholesome, peaceful, or happier. Finally it sunk from my head into my heart
Hey dude, hows it going? Still journaling twice a day ?
Me to me to . February 2020
I found out my "evil side" was the good guy and my persona was the bad guy my whole life, but that helped me start healing and excited to become whole.
How did you do it?
@@kagato0987hi,what does that mean?Can I be angry and jealous and mad? And do not beat myself for it?
Alan Watts delivering crystallized Jung directly into my ear holes, through my brain, down my spine, into my heart, through my veins and back again...
...today is gonna be a good day.
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dope name
ayup!
The essence of healing is to reunite that which has become separated.
The trap of the ego is the illusion of separation. The ego thinks it is distinct from what it condemns and rejects.
This is how evil and suffering are perpetuated in the world.
We can never put an end to the horrors that exist in the world until we recognize that we are inseparably implicated in them.
The greatest obstacle preventing us from acting righteously is the conviction that we are pure and righteous.
The more I read Jung the more I admire him. The man is wise.
Yes, he is wise. Unfortunely this will only remain theory
I think he is a lunatic.
@@jimp9151 He really is a lunatic… Casanova Carl Jung dumped my great grandma Esther & stole my uncle Zeb’s spittoon. Jung was a raging nincompoop. (🚨This is only a joke🚨)
jordan peterson often times speaking of and quoting carl jung has brought it to my attention that this is a special man worth learning all about.
@@scrubfive9239 same
Transcript:
People forget that even doctors have moral scruples, and that certain patients confessions are hard even for a doctor to swallow. Yet, the patient does not feel himself accepted unless the very worst in him is accepted too. No one can bring this about by mere words. It comes only through reflection and through the doctor's attitude towards himself and his own dark side.
If the doctor wants to guide another or even accompany him a step of the way, he must feel with that person's psyche. He never feels it when he passes judgment. Whether he puts his judgments into words or keeps them to himself makes not the
slightest difference. To take the opposite position and to agree with the patient off hand is also of no use. Feeling comes only through unprejudiced objectivity.
This sounds almost like a scientific precept and it could be confused with a purely intellectual abstract attitude of mind. But what I mean is something quite different. It is a human quality, a kind of deep respect for the facts, for the man who suffers from them and for the riddle of such a man's life.
The truly religious person has this attitude, he knows that god has brought all sorts of strange and inconceivable things to pass, and seeks in the most curious ways to enter a man's heart. He therefore senses in everything the unseen presence of the divine will. This is what i mean by unprejudiced objectivity, it is a moral achievement on the part of the doctor, who ought not to let himself be repelled by sickness and corruption. We cannot change anything unless we accept it. Condemnation does not liberate, it oppresses. I am the oppressor of the person I condem, not his friend and fellow sufferer.
I do not in the least mean to say that we must never pass judgment when we desire to help and improve, but if the doctor wishes to help a human being, he must be able to accept him as he is, and he can do this in reality only when he has already seen and accepted himself as he is. Perhaps this sounds very simple, but simple things are always the most
difficult. In actual life, it requires the greatest art to be simple, and so acceptance of oneself is the essence of the moral problem, and the acid test of one's whole outlook on life.
That I feed the beggar, that I forgive an insult, that I love my enemy in the name of Christ. All these are undoubtedly great
virtues. What I do unto the least of my brethren that I do unto Christ, but what if I should discover that the least amongst them all, the poorest of all beggars, the most impudent of all offenders, yea, the very fiend himself that these are within me, and that I myself stand in need of the arms of my own kindness. That I myself am the enemy who must be loved. What then?
Then, as a rule, the whole truth of christianity is reversed, there is then no more talk of love and long suffering, we say to the brother within us raqqa (?), and condemn and rage against ourselves. We hide him from the world, we deny ever having met this least among the lowly in ourselves, and had it been god himself who drew near to us in this despicable form, we should have denied him a thousand times before a single rooster had crowed.
Healing may be called a religious problem in the sphere of social or national relations. The state of suffering may be civil war and this state is to be cured by the christian virtue of forgiveness and love of one's enemies. That which we recommend with the conviction of good christians, as applicable to external situations, we must also apply inwardly in the treatment of neurosis.
This is why modern man has heard enough about guilt and sin, he is sorely beset by his own bad conscience, and wants rather to know how he is to reconcile himself with his own nature. How he is to love the enemy in his own heart, and call the wolf his brother. The modern man does not want to know in what way he can imitate Christ, but in what way he can live his own individual life, however meager and uninteresting it may be.
It is because every form of imitation, seems to him deadening and sterile, that he rebels against the force of tradition that would hold him to well-trodden ways. All such roads for him lead in the wrong direction. He may not know it but he behaves as if his own individual life is god's special will which must be fulfilled at all costs. This is the source of his egoism, which is one of the most tangible evils of the neurotic state. But the person who tells him he is too egoistic has already lost his confidence, and rightly so, for that person has driven him still further into his neurosis.
If I wish to effect a cure for my patients, I am forced to acknowledge the deep significance of their egoism. I should be blind indeed if I did not recognize it as a true will of god. I must even help the patient to prevail in his egoism. If he succeeds in this, he estranges himself from other people. He drives them away. And they come to themselves as they should, for they were seeking to rob him of his sacred egoism.
This must be left to him for it is his strongest and healthiest power, it is, as I have said, a true will of god which sometimes drives him into complete isolation. However wretched this state may be, it also stands him in good stead. For in this way alone, can he get to know himself, and learn what an invaluable treasure is the love of his fellow beings. It is moreover only in the state of complete abandonment and loneliness that we experience the helpful powers of our own natures.
When one has several times seen this development at work, one can no longer deny that what was evil has turned to good,
and that what seemed good has kept alive the forces of evil. The archdemon of egoism leads us along the royal road
to that in gathering which religious experience demands.
What we observe here is a fundamental law of life. Enantiodromia, or conversion into the opposite, and it is this that makes possible the reunion of the warring halves of the personality, and thereby brings the civil war to an end.
The word and spelling in the 7th paragraph is "raca", meaning idiot, from Matthew 5:22: ... and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
The goal of therapy is to learn to be your own therapist. To do this, you have to autopsy yourself, which is odd because you contain the memories of the person being autopsied, but it is critical to dig in and find out exactly what killed you, in what way, how, when, and where. Only then, once things are clear, can you start to reduce your inner turmoil. Each thing you clear will open up room for more exploration, and eventually you will discover things about yourself and your life that you had never considered before. Your life will become like a glass book, and you will be able to see all the pages inside at once, and without opening the cover. This isn't an overnight process. I've been doing it for years and I'm still working on it. Give yourself time, and treat yourself with the respect you deserve.
If you're interested in psychology, (JBP kind of stuff) then I have a video on Industriousness for those into the Big Five traits.
C.B.Alan, thank you! I think you have described the process quite well. I will use your suggestion!!
Consider not focusing on the past or future. We cannot impact either.
@@presentmomentnow I disagree.
Where can I find this video you speak of ? I'm interested
@@presentmomentnow Actually, we can control the past by presently guiding our future.
When we grow up, we discover that childhood was the best time, after 3 years u will say urself that i was happy at my 20s, Because u have to fight a lot for just normalism.
It's fascinating to hear him say that he is trying to help people succeed in their egoism, rather than trying to conquer it as so many try to do. He calls it the will of god that we have an ego.
The will of God is the unfolding of mental/spiritual creative force within. Ego, as the faulty separate sense of self, is only a temporary misuse of that infinite power.
@@BulentBasaran Wow 👏 beautifully put. God bless you ❤✌
And he couldn’t have been more wrong
Makes me think to: "The most important thing in human life for one’s sanity is to be able to be playful or to be able to do things which are sublimely useless" -Alan Watts
Where is this quote from?
As I'm listening, I keep imagining Carl Jung taking a puff of his cigar and mumbling "see Alan, it's this simple". And Alan begins his fulfilled laugh, and Jung's smirk intensifies.
Mine is a late reply, as I just found this upload. And I think you're right on point - look at the photo with this upload, Dr. Jung's eyes are twinkling and he looks as if he's enjoying a private joke. I was in Jungian analysis for six years in my thirties - once begun it never really comes to a close. And I feel that this kind of physical expression appears only on the faces of people who know their weaknesses and have learned to live as whoever they are in humility, with mercy and forgiveness toward their life long personality failures. Mercy forgives all, mercy excuses nothing. That's the heart of this message in religious terms. I'm still working on it.
5:43 This resonates deeply... that the source of egoism is 'to behave as if my individual life were God's special will that needs to be fulfilled at all costs.'
This is incredible…thank you for sharing this! It actually inspired a poem:
Appreciating the darkness,
Brightens the light,
Illuminating the shadows,
Lurking in the night.
Excelente...
bravo, I love it
Thank You for sharing your gift 🩷.
i wrote a similar poem about 7 years ago, which I dedicated to a close friend and shared on social media at the time:
"Finger Prints"
the day you left our World, my Love,
i felt Life tear apart.
A deep and endless fissure
opened in my Heart.
This fissure clawed and tugged at
my Mind, intensely wrought.
It spoke your Name in clouded Dreams;
against its Pull i fought.
Terror shrank from this deep scar!
This part of me, Unknown,
Unwelcome, Uninvited there;
from Loss and Sorrow Grown.
Surrendering, I Felt my Self
submerge into the Hollow.
Inside my eyes caught a faint gleam:
a Torch amidst the Shadow.
Within the dark, I sought its Source
Attending to its Calls
and found a shining Finger Print
left cast upon the walls.
The finger print was left by Love;
Your Essence In My Mind.
And lo, each time I rested, there.....
More finger prints I'd find.
The fissure still remains in me.
I Learned that it won't leave.
Yet a trillion dazzling finger prints
Light a Heart that Grieves.
I listened to this in silence. I must admit, Jung's words and Alan's utterance together creates a new way of perceiving it. Every word resonated so deeply. Such power. ❤️
And as always, it came to me at the perfect time. Synchronicities forever. ✨
When you are unimpressed with yourself .. only then you will find true freedom with self and thoughts .. I love Alan Watts
@@gribe79 So true. 🙏🏼
Exactly the same here
Same.
For the first time in my 30+ year life I decided, for only God knows what reason, to stop trying to resist the deep pain of desire - that sea within my consciousness of desires unfulfilled and conflicting desires that have me pushing like freight train aimed at a precise mark, lasting for some time, seeing some signs of success on the horizon, only to feel an even stronger push to flip on the breaks and throw it in reverse, which, from one perspective would look like "self-sabotage", and perhaps that's all that it is, but it feels like there's something valuable in this seeming desire to always be at war with what one wants.
What has manifested since this new "mode" of being is what I can only describe as a sense of losing the ability to hold up the "old façade", or to maintain the outward appearance of being happy, healthy and successful. It's like something inside of me has taken control of my conscious energy(ies) and directed them towards a kind of expanded awareness into my own suffering, to the point that I've lost almost all self-control; yet, despite feeling shunned by the people who seemingly don't like what is manifesting out of this experience (a more detached personality, perhaps the outward appearance of a depressed person) and despite being driven into isolation through a combination of noticing these judgments and being pushed by a powerful energy from within to spend time with myself, it still resonates as a positive, even healing, situation.
It's truly forced me to take a deep look at myself and, while I don't really know where this will lead me, my intuition tells me that this is where I should be right now. I can see all the things that I stand to lose by going with this energy: relationships, status, my job, maybe even my sanity (as if I ever was sane), but it just feels like the reward is worth the risk, even without knowing exactly what that reward is.
@@JB-zo2qu what we consume in knowledge we become -the re entrance is on this other side
It's chilling how accurate and true this all is. I took the first steps towards reconciling with myself and my life forever changed. It can be one of the most painful and harrowing experiences you'll ever face but you have to be completely open, honest, and ready to take responsibility for your choices and what you need to do going forward. It would have been so easy to continue living with my lies and ignorance but I couldn't choose to be weak anymore, I was sick of that life.
“Condemnation does not liberate.. It oppresses. “ I love this quote and all after and before he says!
Dammit. This just reinforces the nagging feeling that by cutting off my parents, and condemning them for their beliefs and opinions, I’ve only succeeded in bolstering those beliefs and opinions I find so repugnant.
I just haven’t learned how to be ok with them as they are. Then again, I definitely haven’t learned to be ok with myself as I am either. I’ve been hiding who I really am from people my whole life. Maybe once that changes I’ll know how to reconnect with my parents.
Edit: But maybe finally rejecting them is part of what it takes for me to accept and openly express myself. I needed the space.
To Gido ... Well, dear ... I see that you are able to be honest with yourself. That takes courage.
@@good__enough Thank you for saying so.
Sounds like you’re just shifting the blame of your short comings onto you parents instead of owning them yourself.
Just try to act with love, your parents love you and trying to do their best, so are you.
@@mvick7king Not my read at all. One can acknowledge one's own failures while simultaneously noting others' failures. Much of our self-condemnation stems from what we were taught to be right by those close to us when we are young.
a word for poeple in therapy and related things. a LOT in therapy is about knowing where our triggers and conditioning come from and how they came to be in the first place and things like that. and while all of that is necessary and okay, but keep in mind this - rationalizing, dissecting, justifying, linear thought will NEVER SET YOU FREE. your ego will see it as something you've done and now it should be okay and stuff. and yet the patterns will repeat.
only ACCEPTANCE will set you free.
ego will play along as long as you stay in analysing and dissecting and try to understand it better. ACCEPTANCE will make the ego SCREAM and stomp and drag it's feet. coz accepting it needs you to feel it fully and it will feel like the end of you, it will make you feel all that you've kept at bay in the analysing process. the alchemy is in acceptance.
Rationalizing and justifying are sorts of defense mechanism. Mind uses these to preserve itself just the way it is. So it finds, the mind, reasons why a person did or didnt do something. Nobody can fix a problem and heal a wound with defense mechanism on
Thats a really good talk! I didnt understand everything yet (especially the part about egoism), but here is one key thing I took away:
To love ones enemy is to love oneself. Because deep in your heart you have those dark "disgusting" sides of your enemy too. Therefore if you do not accept your enemy you do not fully accept yourself. And if you dont fully accept yourself, you wont feel accepted at all.
Not sure if anyone reads this, but if yes: let me hear your thoughts on this! :)
Nah bro he ur enemy for a reason Wth ur talking about.
That’s how I interpret it as well.
Which means to me, that you are all accurate in interpretation. I would just replace the words “accept yours” with “integration / reintegration yourself”.
From my point of understanding: One can only interpret his experience by the data that is inside of himself. Therefore if you interpret a person this way or that way, your interpretation is mandatorily a reflection of yourself. Now here is the mind twist...It is only the things that you do not fully accept about yourself or within yourself that stand as the lens that you interpret through. Therefore accepting EVERYTHING about yourself is the only way to live in this life without judgement.
@@Be_Good_Do_Good gold!
We are simultaneously the Condemner and the Condemned, but maybe also; the Forgiver and the Forgiven. ☯
🧐😏Yes!
we are the insect that cheweth on the flutterby's brain
Yes we are amidst our own civil war, constantly. The modern media plays these chords very well. Fox and CNN both seem worlds apart but really are just each focusing on the yin and yangv
This applies also to the relationships man-woman. Very often people don't feel accepted.
Surreal this was recommended to me. I'm going through exactly this.
I unwittingly did wrong in my life, and I've isolated myself because of it. I struggle with Loving My Enemy, but hearing Christ did encourages me. The enemy outside, and within. And this speech allows me to be patient in isolation and not further admonish myself for it ❤
I hope you're doing well my brother in Christ.
“Acceptance of oneself is… the acid test of one’s whole outlook on life”
We are all part of this journey. Its so important to share even just an iota of truth we see with each other with no ego. No self. Just Love. Teamwork. Trust. Acceptance. Cleansing.
My favorite philosopher quoting my favorite psychiatrist. It’s a great day :)
Man has heard enough about guilt and sin...sooo true!! (nobody is or can be perfect ;)
we cannot change anything unless we accept it.
@@muneebiqbal5584 ooof thats cold
Perfect timing
perfect timing for me as well!!!
What concept hv u fond usefull? Noanswerv
Buahhahhah
@@loredanamassini3656 that's an egoic reaction my friend ;)
No offence tho!
@@JorisWeima use your brai n poor
“Awareness” by Anothony de Mello talks about watching ourselves without judgement. This leads to Awareness and change.
Yes, becoming the Watcher of ourselves allows us to consider how we may validate and acknowledge our emotions, our ego, seeing them just as valuable, integral, and worthy of acceptance as the Higher Consciousness inside of us that watches them. It is through this place of acknowledgment that we build the capacity to pause and choose out outward actions ✨
This is a digital safe space
Ego trying to help ego is like the blind leading the blind.
Yes. Remove ego to become happy
@Hebrew Nazarite remove to be happy. When you do from the heart you become happier. Do things with love
It is an amazing understanding and at times can be the most hurtful thing that you must speak onto yourself. That you may very well be a villain in your own life. By accepting this even if it’s a small fraction of your past or current life path, will gain a better understanding that you must become something that can mediate both faction that dwell within in you. This is what I came to understand myself from this man’s knowledge. But it is only gain by going deep within yourself and surviving the onslaught of anxiety, depression and almost self sabotage. The point is not to destroy your darkness but to tame it and understand it. IT will be useful for the second part of your life journey. To achieve your greatest light you must know your greatest darkness and survive it. Be your own hero, save yourself from yourself.
Many revelations since listening to Alan Watts since 1972.
And THAT right there is the passage that sucked me into the world of Jung.
Which passahe
@@joshchapman4753 The whole thing.
id like to get sucked too
@@Cnrshoe3 lol
He did not know himself
"In modern life it takes the greatest art to be simple" roughed it up. Here it is
Enough said.
i dont get it
They come to their selves as they should For they were seeking to rob him from his sacred egoism
This must be left for him for its the strongest and healthiest power
To understand how I think, I must look within instead of my surroundings.
My senses determine my thought, my thought decides my emotions, my emotions determine my character, my character influences my surroundings. ❤
God is vibration and tone.
"how he is to love the enemy in his own heart, and call the wolf his brother" something about that really resonates with me.
6 Ways To Guard Your Energy
1. Trust with your intuition
2. Don’t engage in negative gossip
3. Go in nature you’ll never be alone
4. Meditation
5. Eat Clean
6. Don’t sleep next to your phone
Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves
"Condemnation does not liberate, it only oppresses"
While I am listening, I am in that absolute isolation he speaks of, after one has started to want to understand oneself.
I am exactly in this struggle between good and evil within me.
I don't really understand it at the moment, but I accept it and I am grateful that for Jung it is an essential stage.
2 YEARS ON FROM YOUR COMMENT, HAS THE CIVIL WAR ENEDED?
@@muneebiqbal5584That does not go so fast my friend...
man the amount of people who don't know about C.J is really concerning glad I m reading his books, he helped me a lot because I had lot of trauma and since I forgave my father for now being with me and my mother for imposing her willingness on me I m real man and I can live now with no anger
Any specific book you'd recommend to start?
@@molivson He is hard to read and you will need double the time then you would normally real any book because he packs so much in every work but start with Archetypes and collective unconscious
People would know more about him if he followed the damn train
@mindfull what i've noticed in my own journey was how the negative frequencies started feeling more and more dissonant the more i integrated my shadows. it made me understand i cannot set myself free and integrate my shadows while holding on to anger and festering negativity towards another. a year back i never thought i could forgive my parents and let it go, and yet life brought me here. I am now thankful they came to my life to teach me lessons.
cheers to us.
Im confused. He was an obligatory topic in highschool
Accepting the truth is the key to growth. Thanks for the reminder.
Carl Jung + Alan Watts = Mind Blown
"Simple things are the most difficult". AMEN!
Written by Jung and said by Alan Watts. First thought was, "this is gonna be legendary." And it is!
Same here 🙂
What a reversal! Ego is something to be accepted and treated as gods own will, then when isolated and abandoned the will to appreciate and integrate into society arrives. That which seemingly maintains good (by denying the ego) is bad, that which seems bad (the expression of the ego) is only driving toward radical self-acceptance.
“If i wish to effect a Cure for my patients, i am forced to acknowledge the deep significance of their egoism.
I should be blind indeed, if I did not recognize it as a true will of god.
I must also help him to prevail in his egoism.
If he succeeds in this he estranges himself from other people, he drives them away… and they come to themselves as they should. For they were seeking to rob him for his sacred egoism.
This must be left to him.
For it his strongest and healthiest power. It is as I have said a true will of god. Which sometimes drives him into complete isolation.
However wretched this state may be it also stand him in good stead
For in this way alone, can he get to know himself and learn what an invaluable treasure is the love of his fellow beings.
It is more over in the state of complete abandonment and loneliness.
That we experience the helpful powers of our own natures”
This is powerful!!
This is a Godsend. Keeping one’s drive to change and grow is a constant struggle in a world where growth isn’t always appropriate. By virtue of dignity: Jung cuts to the core and begs the question (like many times before): “Who are you really, and what can you do in this moment to be better?”
“People forget that even doctors have moral scruples, and that certain patient’s confessions are hard even for a doctor to swallow.
Yet the patient does not feel himself accepted unless the very worst in him is accepted too. No one can bring this about by mere words. It comes only through reflection, and through the doctor’s attitude towards himself and his own dark side.
If the doctor wants to guide another, or even accompany him a step of the way, he must feel with that person’s psyche. He never feels it when he passes judgment. Whether he puts his judgments into words or keeps them to himself makes not the slightest difference. To take the opposite position and to agree with the patient offhand is also of no use. Feeling comes only through unprejudiced objectivity.
This sounds almost like a scientific precept and it could be confused with a purely intellectual, abstract attitude of mind, but what I mean is something quite different. It is a human quality, a kind of deep respect for the facts, for the man who suffers from them, and for the riddle of such a man’s life.
The truly religious person has this attitude; he knows that God has brought all sorts of strange and inconceivable things to pass, and seeks in the most curious ways to enter a man’s heart. He therefore senses in everything the unseen presence of the divine will. This is what I mean by unprejudiced objectivity. It is a moral achievement on the part of the doctor who ought not to let himself be repelled by sickness and corruption.
We cannot change anything unless we accept it. Condemnation does not liberate, it oppresses. I am the oppressor of the person I condemn, not his friend and fellow sufferer. I do not in the least mean to say that we must never pass judgment when we desire to help and improve. But, if the doctor wishes to help a human being, he must be able to accept him as he is and he can do this, in reality, only when he has already seen and accepted himself as he is.
Perhaps this sounds very simple, but simple things are always the most difficult. In actual life, it requires the greatest art to be simple. And so, acceptance of oneself is the essence of the moral problem, and the acid test of one’s whole outlook on life. That I feed the beggar, that I forgive an insult, that I love my enemy in the name of Christ - all these are undoubtedly great virtues. What I do unto the least of my brethren, that I do unto Christ. But what if I should discover that the least amongst them all, the poorest of all beggars, the most impudent of all offenders, yay the very fiend himself, that these are within me, and that I myself stand in need of the arms of my own kindness, that I myself am the enemy whom must be loved, what then?
Then, as a rule, the whole truth of Christianity is reversed. There is then no more talk of love and long suffering. We say to the brother within us, Raka, and condemn and rage against ourselves. We hide him from the world. We deny ever having met this least among the lowly in ourselves and had it been God himself who drew near to us in this despicable form, we should have denied him a thousand times before a single cock had crowed.
Healing may be called a religious problem. In the sphere of social or national relations, the state of suffering may be civil war and this state is to be cured by the Christian virtue of forgiveness and love of one’s enemies. That, which we recommend with the conviction of good Christians as applicable to external situations, we must also apply inwardly in the treatment of neurosis. This is why modern man has heard enough about guilt and sin. He is sorely beset by his own bad conscience and wants rather to know how he is to reconcile himself with his own nature, how he is to love the enemy in his own heart and call the wolf his brother.
The modern man does not want to know in what way he can imitate Christ, but in what way he can live his own individual life, however meagre and uninteresting it may be. It is because every form of imitation seems to him deadening and sterile that he rebels against the force of tradition that would hold him to well-trodden ways. All such roads for him lead in the wrong direction.
He may not know it, but he behaves as if his own individual life were God’s special will which must be fulfilled at all costs. This is the source of his egoism, which is one of the most tangible evils of the neurotic state. But the person who tells him he is too egoistic has already lost his confidence, and rightly so, for that person has driven him still further into his neurosis.
If I wish to affect a cure for my patients, I am forced to acknowledge the deep significance of their egoism. I should be blind indeed if I did not recognise it as a true will of God. I must even help the patient to prevail in his egoism. If he succeeds in this, he estranges himself from other people, he drives them away, and they come to themselves, as they should, for they were seeking to rob him of his sacred egoism! This must be left to him, for it is his strongest and healthiest power.
It is, as I have said, a true will of God, which sometimes drives him into complete isolation. However wretched this state may be, it also stands him in good stead, for in this way alone can he get to know himself and learn what an invaluable treasure is the love of his fellow beings. It is, moreover, only in the state of complete abandonment and loneliness that we experience the helpful powers of our own natures.
When one has several times seen this development at work, one can no longer deny that what was evil has turned good, and that what seemed good has kept alive the forces of evil. The arch-demon of egoism leads us along the royal road to that in-gathering which religions experience demands.
What we observe here is a fundamental law of life, an anteodromea, or, conversion into the opposite. And it is this that makes possible the reunion of the warring halves of the personality, and thereby brings the civil war to an end.
Thank you !!!
" I am the oppressor of the man that I condemn " Thought provoking and possibly difficult to allways accept.
Never realized how piercing Jung's eye were it can cut through diamond.
"The modern man does not want to know in what way he can imitate Christ, but in what way he can live his own individual life however meager and uninteresting it may be. It is because every form of imitation seems to him deadening and sterile, that he rebels against the force of tradition that would hold him to well trodden ways...all such roads for him lead in the wrong direction. He may not know it, but he behaves as if his own individual life regard special will which must be fulfilled at all costs. This is the sauce of his egoism." What an 'innocent' trap all of us trying to be 'different' fulfill. Relax. Perfectionism is useless. Emotion and human error is raw.
source of his egoism. egoism sauce sounds cool though
Dont know why this commend seems so perfekt.
That was the takeaway quote for me too.
@@dlmdee no need for removing the removing of the need to remove the false self lol just chill bro duh
@@glenndespres5317 love it. Frugality, Humility - keys to living a simple life rather than a chaotic one that you yourself are creating. I understand certain upbringings can contribute to chaos, it becomes a part of you - but you are only responsible for yourself, you can't blame everyone else.
"In so far as the mind sees things in their eternal aspect, it participates in eternity" Baruch Spinoza
Had I never learned to do that, I would never have felt half my joys, or sorrows. I would have had others, much weaker, flatter, and cruder, in their place.
That makes me glad, and knowing I'm glad makes me gladder yet. It's great how that works. Anyway, I hope you're every bit as fortunate. You must be.
"When we hit our lowest point, we are open to the greatest change"
"...by forgiveness and the love of one's enemies."
Two of my favourite revealers of the Way things are 🙏
"What we observe here is a fundamental law of life - enantiodromia, or conversion into the opposite and it is this, that makes possible the reunion of the warring halves of the personality, and, thereby brings the civil war to an end." At the end, opposites are in union. In balance. And the only one possible force to bring this all is - Love. Love unite 2 in One. The only way to Peace it is. ❤
Best psychologist ever Jung.
"...perhaps this sounds very simple, but simple things are always the most difficult. In actual life it requires the greatest art to be simple. and so acceptance of oneself is the essence of the moral problem, and the acid test of one's whole outlook on life."
I can't stop listening to this. Everytime I do I learn something new. Eternal words.
4:55: You have won Dr. Jung. We have learned to love the enemy in our own heart, we have learned to love the wolf with our whole soul. And now, we reap the whirlwind. The lawless demons within have been freed and Sin eradicated. Look how much more safe, happy, sane and healthy we are now!
"Acceptance is the answer to all my problems today." - AA Big Book... So easy to see, so hard to do.
Indifference is the key to true happiness.
The less power a thing has over you, the more control you have over your true self.
Carl Jung. A genius for all time.
The meeting of people where they are at without passing judgement, thus oppressing them, is the corner stone of healing. Yes, Yes, Yes. This reading is special to me bc I was born the same day that Jung died.
Ones self is always the hardest to forgive.
The simple things are the most difficult, resonates..
We are in the convergence of opposites now, how signs we regarded as bad are good, while what we thought of as good was the evil in the world, this has given me peace.
Alan watts reading a paper from PrfJung
I'm blown away
Sense in everything the unseen presence of the divine will. This is unprejudiced objectivity.
Thanks Carl & Alan
🦕🦋🍒🍰🍭🍮🍻🥅⛷🚴♀️
If you sit and really listen, this is profound for all people 😳
" We cannot change anything unless we accept it. Condemnation does not liberate, it oppresses. I am the oppressor of the person I condemn, not his friend and fellow sufferer. " This is something that I feel resonates with a lot of the action in the medias of late, i.e. racism, anti-racism, gender dysphoria etc.
edit: An example I can think of is the part about Daphne, in Dave Chappelle's comedy special
“Condemnation does not liberate. It only oppresses” 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Profound wisdom, knowledge & understanding lie in these words. Intellectually honest must be pursued & revived
Then, Carl had the words above his door - 'Bidden or not bidden, God is present'
These words were instruction to therapists, how to be a good therapists.
For meaning, context is everything.
Carl Jung was interested in kundalini and perceived spirituality as opposed to sexuality as central to attaining inner peace. The ego is the fancy robe that covers the soul.
To everyone watching this, you are awesome! Take care of yourselves and others.
Amazing, absolutely amazing.
Thank you for sharing this with all of us. Carl Jung is one amazing and influential figure.
In my experience to end the civil war you need a trauma. You need to go to the rock bottom of insignificance (which in my case was to not be able to keep a woman who I deeply loved interested in me). Only when you are there you can truly understand how irrelevant were all those parts of you that you literally worshiped. But you have to be there by yourself, this experience can not be learned in any other way. So you have your trauma. From there is all upwards. You can be trapped there for the rest of your life. Or you can start searching for things more important then you, and be surprised by their abundance. You will literally discover a new world, hell a new universe, that you never saw, even if it was right there in front of you all the time. This is the damnation of the narcissist: they will never know what we are talking about.