Hahaha. Well I hope that if you are going to rank anything from Avon, that you at least got the clearance priced N49 ULW back when Botach and a few other retailers were selling them for $600
If you get the knock off helmet and put 3D pads in them it's actually really close to the ops core but way cheaper than every helmet on the table, and once you put a helmet cover on it with all your attachments it'll be hard to even tell the difference
This is my mindset. I have achs I high cut as placeholders and added protection and weight training for drills. Unless I get a package deal with nvgs on the 2nd hand market with some toobs, I'm prolly gonna get a opscore clone and just upgrade the harness and pads for comfort. Itl help me save money for other things like comms, ammo, and house projects while not having "nothing" to work with. Eventually I'll buy a brand new ballistic helmet. For now. Just training aids and place holders for now.
Thank you Walsh. Ops-Core has always been my favorite but I'm holding out for their ballistic version. I have to educate myself on the night vision systems and costs before purchasing anything. Say hello to the crew for me and if any of you are fathers, HAPPY FATHER'S DAY ! I hope that you all have a great day with your family. God bless! Be safe! 🤙🪖👮🙏🇺🇲
6:42 neither unity marks, axl rac-links or team wendys own OEM Quick Release headset adapters use that space where the bungees lock in, instead they utilize the two bolts where you can add the extra pic rail. I'm confused what system you're referring to that uses the bungee space.
TW bungies are only hooked together for shipping...you're supposed to use one or both to secure your NV setup. Or unhook them and use an aftermarket solution. As for the lip, if you're using a Wilcox G series, it's a bit of an issue, but not really an issue at all with a Norotos. Peltor or AMPs adaptors for a TW aren't any more expensive than what you'd have to pay for Arc rail mounts for an Opscore. And unless you're in an frag heavy environment, I just don't see the point for civilian ownership of the heavier, neck damaging, more expensive ballistics that only stop handgun rounds, IF you're lucky. BFD with handgun hits even on the best ballistic is scary, and rifle rounds honey badger them anyway. For most of us, it's a comms/earpro/NV host, and LARP accessory. If you're not expecting frag, stick with a bump. :)
Utter noob here, could you do a video on properly adjusting helmets? Which pads to take out which to keep, adjustment of straps and tensioning system. I am sorry if this isn’t the forum to make the request, but I haven’t seen in-depth videos on this subject.
Hard Headed Veterans. Cause your heads gotta be titanium to survive wearing it. Team Wendy. Comfy as long as you don’t like accessories. Ops Core. The standard that has sub par comfort. Ops Wendy. Standard of comfort and doo-hicky attachments.
I have had the hard head Veteran helmet, not bump, high cut for ear pro for sometime now. I originally did in black, but that was for urban. Now, with 2020 BLMing done, and me being rural forest, I plan on redoing it in Beez camouflage.
Yeah dude. Thanks for publicly confirming why I don’t like the HHV bump I bought a few years ago. Wish I knew a little more about helmets before buying mine. Should have just bought the better helmet from the start. lol.
When my Section Sergeant was helping me find a good ballistic helmet a little over half a year ago, we came across HHV and he instantly said it looked like some Chinesium BS. Glad I got my Ops Core XP (SF cut, not legacy)
I use these professionally. I have the team Wendy, and a HHV. The HHV looks nicer. I have it in multi cam and it matches my Crye JPC nicely. Biggest draw back is if you don’t buckle the chin strap it will fall off your head while you’re running. The team Wendy locks onto your head much better with the BOA system, and while it isn’t quite as comfortable as the HHV, it is generally better quality over all.
Didn't know why I didn't see this video yet, but I'll share my 2 cents. I started with the HHV, hated it. Uncomfortable, no retention adjustment, sits too high and looks goofy, and yes the MLOK sucks a fat one. Sold it. Went to a black TW, it was ok but wasn't as comfortable as I wanted it to be and the fact that they don't offer green in the bump series is absolutely stupid, I'd have to buy a cover. Sold it. I now have the newer Ops Core bump and it's perfect. Comfortable, comes in green, good retention adjustment and uses ARC rails. Found a winner.
I have a team wendy ltp I ordered a custom set of bungies from a company on ebay made for opscore helmets but i had them use longer bungie. The metal hooks are much better than ghe plastic.
Ive never experienced having the problem with the lip on my team wendy with nods. Also i agree the gen 3 rails aren't nearly as good as the gen 2 rails.
I warn people about the HHV…………they don’t like to listen. I think I should have gotten the Ops Core……….. Although the Team Wendy BOA system is the bees knees.
Then there’s me with my FMA bump helmet (ops core cut with much better pads and a actual liner in comparison to the Amazon bump) with a cheap rip off team Wendy boa system 🤣 it’s done me well and it’s still going strong as a mounting platform for my nods for hiking in the highlands & islands , I eventually want to upgrade the actual helmet in the future but may go with 4D pads first however In terms of the question of compromise that was bright up near the end it might be worth looking into the likes of the crye nightcap or tracer tactical head harness, I have a nightcap with a evolution gear g69 (utterly solid) that I use in conjunction with my helmet depending on the situation, helmet for comfort, nightcap for portability Cheers for the video lad, all the best from 🏴
Badass tips. I love tracer and in reality any bump helmet works fine. The FMA looks like a wild deal for sure! I'll have to hit up tracer for his new harness, I love that guy! Thanks for watching.... I even bragged to the wife we had people in other countries watching us lol
I don’t need a ballistic as it just for frag. I got my TW Carbon while it was still 620-650. I use it around vehicles, rappelling and SAR. And ofc the occasional mountain bike ride. 😂 Carbon fiber dissipates the shock better than just plastic. Plus I use the otto earpro mounts mounted on the rear slots with peltors as those lock and dont squish the gel cups like the amp arms. I ain’t paying 500 for a plastic bump let alone 1k for the carbon ops core helmet.
Just remove the hard inner liner and you can install it. Defense Mechanisms actually has a great step by step that I followed for mine. It's super easy
I appreciate the review of the bump helmets, but who in the hell is constantly changing configurations from the ballistic to the bump and back? Pile of different color helmet covers for one and another pile for the other? What? Also… there are quite a few Opscore covers that fit the HHV. Not PERFECT, but they fit and they work.
I mean this is America, you can have a pile of different color helmet covers if you want a pile, I just find it strange you would switch helmet covers between bump and ballistic often vs a designated cover for each one, and maybe different skrim. Much easier to change skrim than the covers with all your stuff on it. It’s tedious and a pain, but maybe it’s therapeutic? Lol idk
most bump helmets we used were for training only or non-combat roles. Otherwise you'd be looking at ballistic mich helmets that were horrible but we're seeing a return to that fullsize cut with the need for more frag protection
I have the Team Wendy ballistic helmet. I honestly thought I was brain dead and couldn't figure out the bungee system. They are horrible and won't connect to anything. I purchased the HHV ballistic before the team wendy. 1st helmet, yes 1st helmet, the hardware was unfinished, and the kevlar inside was peeling. HHV said it wouldn't compromise the protection... PEELING KEVLAR! The 2nd helmet after a refund, same unfinished and mismatched hardware bolts, and I got my final refund and never looked at HHV again. Pure junk, but don't worry, peeling kevlar will save the day.
@@RCx44 1. I believe you’re right, I was thinking just M855. 2. You’re correct in terms of NIJ ratings, but Europe has their own certifications for many manufacturers that does rate helmets. 3. Zenturion is one that comes to mind but there are other titanium composite up-armor plates that attach to helmets that will make them withstand rifle rounds. And one US company out of Colorado has better IIIA tested graphene composite helmets, but I’m sure they will soon have their own up-armor plates as well. Yes, no certifications, but these companies use the same third party testers and procedures that meet or exceed standards, those companies just don’t batch test their products because it’s incredibly expensive, not just in terms of paying for the test certification, but also in the amount of product that they lose in attrition as a result of the testing, that they would otherwise sell.
Can’t wait for the ballistic tier list!
That’s going to be pricey!
....I don't think I thought that through lol
Hahaha. Well I hope that if you are going to rank anything from Avon, that you at least got the clearance priced N49 ULW back when Botach and a few other retailers were selling them for $600
@@ThinLineDefenseCo When you'll do it, please include the Crye Precision's Airframe and Airframe ATX.
Regards! ✌
If you get the knock off helmet and put 3D pads in them it's actually really close to the ops core but way cheaper than every helmet on the table, and once you put a helmet cover on it with all your attachments it'll be hard to even tell the difference
This is my mindset. I have achs I high cut as placeholders and added protection and weight training for drills. Unless I get a package deal with nvgs on the 2nd hand market with some toobs, I'm prolly gonna get a opscore clone and just upgrade the harness and pads for comfort. Itl help me save money for other things like comms, ammo, and house projects while not having "nothing" to work with. Eventually I'll buy a brand new ballistic helmet. For now. Just training aids and place holders for now.
@@TheRiskyDingo same dude. I even use my PVS 14 on it😂
sure but the rails are out of spec most of the time...
@@weslewis596 mine work perfect with my ops core amp arms & flashlight
Thank you Walsh. Ops-Core has always been my favorite but I'm holding out for their ballistic version. I have to educate myself on the night vision systems and costs before purchasing anything. Say hello to the crew for me and if any of you are fathers, HAPPY FATHER'S DAY ! I hope that you all have a great day with your family. God bless! Be safe!
🤙🪖👮🙏🇺🇲
6:42 neither unity marks, axl rac-links or team wendys own OEM Quick Release headset adapters use that space where the bungees lock in, instead they utilize the two bolts where you can add the extra pic rail. I'm confused what system you're referring to that uses the bungee space.
You cant sleep on the unicorn bicycle helmet with a nods mount
Seems the HHV bump is worse and i expected it to be...and I didn't expect much out of it in the first place...
😂😂😂
TW bungies are only hooked together for shipping...you're supposed to use one or both to secure your NV setup. Or unhook them and use an aftermarket solution. As for the lip, if you're using a Wilcox G series, it's a bit of an issue, but not really an issue at all with a Norotos.
Peltor or AMPs adaptors for a TW aren't any more expensive than what you'd have to pay for Arc rail mounts for an Opscore.
And unless you're in an frag heavy environment, I just don't see the point for civilian ownership of the heavier, neck damaging, more expensive ballistics that only stop handgun rounds, IF you're lucky. BFD with handgun hits even on the best ballistic is scary, and rifle rounds honey badger them anyway.
For most of us, it's a comms/earpro/NV host, and LARP accessory. If you're not expecting frag, stick with a bump. :)
Croak always with the wisdom of a Saint
Utter noob here, could you do a video on properly adjusting helmets? Which pads to take out which to keep, adjustment of straps and tensioning system. I am sorry if this isn’t the forum to make the request, but I haven’t seen in-depth videos on this subject.
Hard Headed Veterans. Cause your heads gotta be titanium to survive wearing it.
Team Wendy. Comfy as long as you don’t like accessories.
Ops Core. The standard that has sub par comfort.
Ops Wendy. Standard of comfort and doo-hicky attachments.
Perfect synopsis... absolutely perfect
To fit the team Wendy BOA system did you have to change the screws? How does it feel with NVGs on?
I have had the hard head Veteran helmet, not bump, high cut for ear pro for sometime now. I originally did in black, but that was for urban. Now, with 2020 BLMing done, and me being rural forest, I plan on redoing it in Beez camouflage.
Love that Beez helmet scrim!
So what you're saying is... buy a skateboard helmet and put a NVG mount on it? Roger that.
Everything is pretty much as expected. Even the hhv one lol.
haha "mhmm... yup... mhmm... yup!"
Yeah dude. Thanks for publicly confirming why I don’t like the HHV bump I bought a few years ago. Wish I knew a little more about helmets before buying mine. Should have just bought the better helmet from the start. lol.
When my Section Sergeant was helping me find a good ballistic helmet a little over half a year ago, we came across HHV and he instantly said it looked like some Chinesium BS. Glad I got my Ops Core XP (SF cut, not legacy)
See.... the first sergeants know!
I use these professionally. I have the team Wendy, and a HHV. The HHV looks nicer. I have it in multi cam and it matches my Crye JPC nicely. Biggest draw back is if you don’t buckle the chin strap it will fall off your head while you’re running. The team Wendy locks onto your head much better with the BOA system, and while it isn’t quite as comfortable as the HHV, it is generally better quality over all.
I assume this a bot because no one would run HHV and crye unless they lost a bet.
@@ThinLineDefenseCo nah I’m a real person. I was issued HHV to pilot for my guys. It’s a definite no go and we’re sticking with team Wendy.
Can you add the Galvion Caimon helmet to the tier list?
Didn't know why I didn't see this video yet, but I'll share my 2 cents. I started with the HHV, hated it. Uncomfortable, no retention adjustment, sits too high and looks goofy, and yes the MLOK sucks a fat one. Sold it. Went to a black TW, it was ok but wasn't as comfortable as I wanted it to be and the fact that they don't offer green in the bump series is absolutely stupid, I'd have to buy a cover. Sold it. I now have the newer Ops Core bump and it's perfect. Comfortable, comes in green, good retention adjustment and uses ARC rails. Found a winner.
how about the classic - Pro-tec
slap a Wilcox g24 lite and a shroud on it.... probably as good as it gets
maybe some powerpath rails....
I have a team wendy ltp I ordered a custom set of bungies from a company on ebay made for opscore helmets but i had them use longer bungie. The metal hooks are much better than ghe plastic.
What about the protec i like mine but they really don't compare to the modern ops core and team Wendy helmets
First. I was just considering getting a bump for backpacking, thanks for this.
team Wendy would be epic for that!
Ive never experienced having the problem with the lip on my team wendy with nods. Also i agree the gen 3 rails aren't nearly as good as the gen 2 rails.
I mostly noticed it with articulating just one tube up. You can fix it by pushing the nods out but it's kinda annoying to work around.
@@ThinLineDefenseCo now that you say that I have had some devices do that with mine.
I can't believe that an airsoft helmet (FMA) is way better than HHV 😂
What about Galvion! I picked one up and am not disappointed.
the 700 dollar one?? What in the world lol
@@ThinLineDefenseCo Yeah, the Caiman. Think it's a bit on the pricey-er side?
I warn people about the HHV…………they don’t like to listen.
I think I should have gotten the Ops Core………..
Although the Team Wendy BOA system is the bees knees.
Ops core plus the boa is straight magic too
Then there’s me with my FMA bump helmet (ops core cut with much better pads and a actual liner in comparison to the Amazon bump) with a cheap rip off team Wendy boa system 🤣 it’s done me well and it’s still going strong as a mounting platform for my nods for hiking in the highlands & islands , I eventually want to upgrade the actual helmet in the future but may go with 4D pads first however
In terms of the question of compromise that was bright up near the end it might be worth looking into the likes of the crye nightcap or tracer tactical head harness, I have a nightcap with a evolution gear g69 (utterly solid) that I use in conjunction with my helmet depending on the situation, helmet for comfort, nightcap for portability
Cheers for the video lad, all the best from 🏴
Badass tips. I love tracer and in reality any bump helmet works fine. The FMA looks like a wild deal for sure!
I'll have to hit up tracer for his new harness, I love that guy! Thanks for watching.... I even bragged to the wife we had people in other countries watching us lol
I don’t need a ballistic as it just for frag. I got my TW Carbon while it was still 620-650. I use it around vehicles, rappelling and SAR. And ofc the occasional mountain bike ride. 😂
Carbon fiber dissipates the shock better than just plastic. Plus I use the otto earpro mounts mounted on the rear slots with peltors as those lock and dont squish the gel cups like the amp arms. I ain’t paying 500 for a plastic bump let alone 1k for the carbon ops core helmet.
Will the ballistic review also include the Guard Dog Body Armor helmet? Hope so.
*awkward nod yes.... then no*
@@ThinLineDefenseCo You’re breaking my heart. lol
haha I'll see what I can do. I don't have that whole lineup yet. I really only have like...2
I wish someone would make arc rails for team Wendy to retrofit
Will buy your TW if it’s available.
Sorry, it's gone. They're all gone thankfully. I had like 9 helmets for some insane reason.
You can upgrade the Amazon helmet pads for like 20bucks.
i use a open face motorcycle helmet that is customized for accessories and camo painted
How did you get the BOA in your Ops Core? I'd love to do that with my FAST SF ballistic helmet
Just remove the hard inner liner and you can install it. Defense Mechanisms actually has a great step by step that I followed for mine.
It's super easy
I appreciate the review of the bump helmets, but who in the hell is constantly changing configurations from the ballistic to the bump and back? Pile of different color helmet covers for one and another pile for the other? What? Also… there are quite a few Opscore covers that fit the HHV. Not PERFECT, but they fit and they work.
so it's weird I have like 20 different helmet covers for all these damn things?
I mean this is America, you can have a pile of different color helmet covers if you want a pile, I just find it strange you would switch helmet covers between bump and ballistic often vs a designated cover for each one, and maybe different skrim. Much easier to change skrim than the covers with all your stuff on it. It’s tedious and a pain, but maybe it’s therapeutic? Lol idk
True chads wear Ergodyne Bump Cap inserts with orange foamies.
Hi Walsh which retention system and options did you buy from team wendy for the opcore sf helmet
The boa and 4d pads are what I have in my current SF setup
@@ThinLineDefenseCo Specifically what was the shell type option you choose that fits the SF
USMC ECH
ACH/MICH & Highcut
USMC LWH, PASGT?
Now compare these to military issue helmets from anything prior to the GWOT.
most bump helmets we used were for training only or non-combat roles. Otherwise you'd be looking at ballistic mich helmets that were horrible
but we're seeing a return to that fullsize cut with the need for more frag protection
I have the Team Wendy ballistic helmet. I honestly thought I was brain dead and couldn't figure out the bungee system. They are horrible and won't connect to anything. I purchased the HHV ballistic before the team wendy. 1st helmet, yes 1st helmet, the hardware was unfinished, and the kevlar inside was peeling. HHV said it wouldn't compromise the protection... PEELING KEVLAR! The 2nd helmet after a refund, same unfinished and mismatched hardware bolts, and I got my final refund and never looked at HHV again. Pure junk, but don't worry, peeling kevlar will save the day.
OOoOooof. Yea the HHV was just confusing in how it was put together. The team wendy bungees though....what the hell is going on with those.
-Walsh
Awesome
Very nice
Bumping video wizzard
Ops Core Bump - nah, not worth 1500€ for a cheap ass bump helmet 🤣. Would rather go with Exfil LTP for 500€ or PGD Ballistic for 550€
Heard head veterans= helping China develop develop their armor tech
America = Outsourcing everything since NAFTA.
is there anyhelmet that can hold m855a1??
There are and there are also up armor attachments for existing LVLIIIA helmets. They are heavy though (and expensive)
@@MochiMoose no there isn't and there is no protection level certification in helmets like there is with plates
@@RCx44 1. I believe you’re right, I was thinking just M855. 2. You’re correct in terms of NIJ ratings, but Europe has their own certifications for many manufacturers that does rate helmets. 3. Zenturion is one that comes to mind but there are other titanium composite up-armor plates that attach to helmets that will make them withstand rifle rounds. And one US company out of Colorado has better IIIA tested graphene composite helmets, but I’m sure they will soon have their own up-armor plates as well. Yes, no certifications, but these companies use the same third party testers and procedures that meet or exceed standards, those companies just don’t batch test their products because it’s incredibly expensive, not just in terms of paying for the test certification, but also in the amount of product that they lose in attrition as a result of the testing, that they would otherwise sell.
I though the hhv is just a normal ops core high cut... I got a agilite ops core helmet cover on my hhv