If you pay close attention, Suraj started talking the split second before it happened and wasnt looking. Chris reacted to Suraj by closing his eyes for a second and missing it too. Pat and Marketa just didnt have a reaction to it.
“I would never hurt anyone” is such an interesting line because you can see on her face she realizes all she has done and he gravity of that as she’s talking to her kids
Wong "Eons ago, the first demon, Chthon, carved his dark magic into this tomb." The Normies: "So who did this shit? That's what I want to know." Everyone: Slams head against wall.
@@jerusalemedwards7472 I assume Suraj was talking about Black Bolt cause he kept saying he didn't remember his name. Just goes to show how little they know about his character. He probably just heard the Inhumans show sucked and is projecting that onto the character.
Sarah in the comics is Wong's love interest. Which is why she shows affection toward him....and that explains why its zooms in on the singular tear when she sacrifices herself.
Like Darwin in 'X-Men: First Class', she deserved better. Heck, even when seeing 1 of Najma's only black female friend recently in 'Ms. Marvel, it all made me feel that dark-skinned black women are getting the short-end of the stick in the overall Marvel Extended Cinematic Universe.
@@COSun25 wait for Black Panther 2. That films gonna have Shuri and Nakia in lead roles and Okoye too of course and also it’s gonna have Riri Williams (Iron Heart) in the movie. Lots of Black Females in that film bud.
@@COSun25 I don't see your point... all of Najma's Clandestines died. The other sorcerors died en masse including some sorcerors we've known longer from the previous movies like the master Hamir. Are you suggesting all black women are, or by extension of your reasoning should be, immortal? There is no shorter end of the stick here when everyone is dealt an equally bad hand.
“but who originally carved these symbols here?!” *literally like half a second after Wong just said, “long ago these were first carved here by the demon Chthon”* lmaoo
16:22 Wanda was definitely stronger than Thanos during Endgame. Thanos was Scared of two people in that whole fight and that was Wanda and Captain Marvel. You have to remember that Thanos had to open fire on the battlefield just so he can get away from Wanda’s grip. Wanda is definitely top 3 strongest Avenger.
@@tiddymobgoon that was literally a lucky punch he got off of her by using the power stone. He literally showed off a scared look when his punch’s didn’t do shit to her
Thanos was never scared of Captain Marvel, just shocked when she withstand his headbut. Once he found out she withstood it due to her absorbing from the stone, Thanos just blast her out. He is only afraid of Wanda in that movie. Kevin Feigi has stated as of endgame Wanda is the strongest.
@@syahmioziar5290 he also stated that Captain Marvel was their strongest Avenger by far when that movie came out. That’s also saying that Thanos wasn’t scared of Wanda when she stopped his sword or when she lifted him up. He simply said shoot everything
@@doneekdiggs1211 If you remember, Wanda was blipped when Carol got introduced. She also didn't experience grieve of losing Vision yet. So, Carol is indeed the strongest at the time. When Wanda came back, the strongest position switch back to her. Kevin Feige himself stated from the interview where he confirm Wanda is the strongest post endgame that for the first time Thanos got scared which is during his fight with Wanda.
Haha Chris’s “Why are there still people on the streets?!” And Pat’s “Well if you see this happening you’re going to want to see it,”. It’s funny because there was a comic panel, I believe with Peter Parker Spider-Man where he rescued a dude who was just recording the action on his phone and Peter said “I remember when people use to run away from the danger,”.
honestly seems accurate considering what those people have gone through even prior to half them getting dusted. at some point the chaos just becomes a way of life.
At least even the “Normies” can pick up on the fact that characters throughout the whole film specifically go out of their way to state the Darkhold corrupts anyone who reads it including Strange’s first dialogue about it and Strange himself by the end of the film. If the Normies themselves can easily pick up on these things and know Wanda’s mind is corrupted, is it either the angry fanboys don’t want to acknowledge this point to validate their hatred for “Wanda’s always been evil” stance or are they all to stupid to understand basic dialogue🤔
Every time the movie mentions Kamartaj, Suraj asks why they haven't had their memories of it wiped. Kamartaj is the sanctuary where doctor strange trained with the ancient one, which Wanda attacked here. In no way home, he mentions having erased wong's memory of the full moon party at Kamartaj, not the existence of the whole place. This is like if you get so drunk you don't remember the new year's eve party in New York, and then every time you mention the city after that your friend says "I thought you couldn't remember New York"
14:30 Techinically Wanda's children aren't fake, they are forged through magic. They may not be born from womb but their molecular density or existence are the same with any regular human. Quote Agatha 'A being ,capable of spontaneous creation.'
31:45 there wasn't a former Scarlet Witch, if we're going to follow the writing/lore of the SW in MCU, 'she was supposed to be a myth.' However it wasn't explained in WandaVision on why Wanda was the destined Scarlet Witch, how did she get her powers. Was she neither blessed or cursed by Chthon or her mother tried to tapped into magical energies such as the Chaos Magic.
Wanda was corrupted by the darkhold. After the events of Westview she's been reading it for several months so the darkhold has severely corrupted her. Also, there was no "previous" scarlet witch, our Wanda is the only one that's ever been. The reason why there was a scarlet witch throne is because there was a prophecy in the darkhold that someone, at some time, would become the Scarlet Witch. The throne was made for a future one. So now that Wanda became the scarlet witch (as prophesized), that throne belongs to her. Oh, and to my knowledge, the other wanda variants aren't scarlet witches - they have access to magic but none of them have reached the climax of becoming The Scarlet Witch (like wanda did in wandavision) so there's only one "Scarlet Witch" but there's multiple other Wanda Maximoffs who aren't The Scarlet Witch.
Wanda was already in rough shape because of her kids. The moment she read the Darkhold, she sealed her fate. It has a will of it's own, and corrupts the reader. It drove Wanda to an even further extreme, where she genuinely thought she was in the right. But being shown how terrified her kids were of her shook her free of the control over her.
My favorite part of the movie is when Strange trapped Wanda in the mirror dimension. Strange thought he can contain Wanda but she quickly understand the situation. Just like mirror, water also reflects and that's the reason why she escaped the mirror dimension. Ancient One said no one can get away in the mirror dimension without the sling ring but Wanda just escaped.
I think it's important to distinguish the _TIMELINES_ that strange looked at in Infinity War with the _UNIVERSES_ here. Strange was looking at all the possibilities for the future of that universe from that point onward, but different choices will never result in a paint dimension for example
Right like there universe didn't have black bolt Reed Richards captain Peggy professor x. Ect if any thing it shows that universes illuminati was stronger then the avengers witch also speaks for scarlet witch's power
W. I thought Suraj was onto smt for a min before I realized Strange only looked for answers on how himself, spiderman, iron man & the Guardians could defeat Thanos. Even if he somehow came across this universe he would say “who the fuck are those ppl” lol
they did mentioned this during endgame, loki or spiderman nwh, it s just so annoying to keep hearing that "so there s other way to defeat thanos" like they dont even watch the previous movies with brain
53:29 "I've had the dreams too." I believe you are right. If dreams are snippets into the multiverse then 838 Wanda experiences the horrible nightmares of Scarlet Witch from 616 and then wakes up and remembers they are only dreams and that she has a great life.
in Agents of Shield, the Dark Hold rewrote itself to provide every person that read it their greatest desire. The evil of it was that ultimately, it was warping the minds of its readers to make them fulfill the books desire. It was never really stated in the show what that was, but most things people did caused harm to another dimension that they stole energy from.
It's similar in the comics - with VERY few exceptions, it will eventually corrupt you by giving you just enough of what you want. The number of people who've safely used it can be counted one one hand
@@resurgingflame They've pretty intentionally avoided the question about what's canon, but the canon isn't really relevant here. That's how the Darkhold has worked in ALL it's appearances, whether TV or comics. It gives you what you want but it's gonna corrupt and warp you. Pretty standard Evil Item trope
@@resurgingflame Agents of Shield appears to not be canon, but there is lots to say that it may be included in the MCU in the future. The series tied in with many MCU movies.[spoilers ahead] It utilises several MCU characters during their time in the MCU not the least of which was Fury himself. Also, in season 7, they used the very same Quantum tech Endgame used for time and multiverse branch traveling. Beyond that, there were several notable Agents of Shield tie ins in WandaVision. This may also be because Agent Coulson is the one who gave the Avengers the location of Hydra's final bases, where the scepter and the twins were. He also secretly rebuilt the air carrier that save the people from Sokovia. Thus, he played a crucial role in the events that took place there, up to and including, Wanda and Vision getting together as a couple. Beyond any of that conjecture, there is one simple thing that is probably the most abundant reason the Agents of Shield will be included into the MCU, most likely as a separate multiverse, is the inhumans. Inhumans were constantly a major part of Agents of Shield from the pilot episode to the final episode. The MCU though appears to be lacking any even slight reference to inhumans. The most convincing argument for this idea is the recent Ms Marvel series. So many people keep griping about how her powers came from her being an inhuman. Clearly, so far, the character in the MCU has no connection to inhumans and doesn't show any link to them at all. This is easily explained if one simply sees that inhumans are like the Xmen. Something that doesn't exist in the MCU multiverse, but in another one. With that in mind, remember that the AoS multiverse has the tech to travel multiverses and time, so we don't even need an MCU character to initiate contact from that multiverse. They can literally show up anywhere anytime. Just something to keep in mind.
@@SethRGray pretty sure, he glanced through some of the pages trying to find the possession spell. I guess after the events of MoM, he must've tried some of the dark magic and spells he memorized before destroying and dark hold and probably went abit too far and eventually caused an incursion. Maybe that's why Clea went looking for him in his universe. I mean she said he is responsible for the incursion and by the looks of it they were headed to the dark dimension. So maybe strange must've trying new spells to prevent dormammu from returning now that he doesn't have his time stone, preparing using the darkhold spells and eventually caused the incursion. Can't wait for Dr strange 3💥
31:57 The Normies questioning and theorizing what they don't understand while the very scene they're talking over is answering those questions. Yup. Classic Normies. 1:04:49 These guys don't even get the Inhumans reference and still put the disrespect on Black Bolt. My dude got improved and done dirty in this movie.
I loved how when Charles Xavier came in a snippet of the 90's animated series theme played in the background. Also Strange didn't say there was only one universe where they defeated Thanos; he wasn't checking universes, he was checking timelines. It's like what's the outcome if we do this...no? Then what's the outcome if we do that, etc. There was only one timeline where they won.
Black Bolt, one of the most powerful, as well as King, of the Inhumans; who has gone 1-on-1 with comic book Hulk (not the MCU powered down Hulk) and at its loudest his voice can literally shatter a planet. "And Swatto. I refuse to learn his name."
Charlize Theron is playing Clea. There's a whole history there - in the comics, she is the niece of Dormammu and the daughter of Umar (who has not yet appeared in the MCU). She is also the great love of Strange's life - they end up married, though she later loses that memory. In the current comics, Strange is dead and Clea has taken his place as the Earth's Sorcerer Supreme.
Funny enough with Clea showing up it makes one page from the original Illuminati series tie in really well with this. For one a version of the Illuminati are in the movie, a reality warper who can do whatever they want is the main threat (the Beyonder), Dr Strange is shown waking up shirtless in bed and the two naked women at his side in this perfect world are Clea (female lead of the next movie) and Wanda (female lead of this one). Both of whom had studied under Strange and done some other stuff under him.
SOOO at 52:32, According to Elizabeth Olsen, when she yells STOP IT, that was a real reaction! She legit yelled at those kids to stop throwing the toys! hahahaha
11:03 Yeah the PARTY was wiped from his memory not the existence of Kamar-Taj itself just the memory of the full moon party that they kept there. 16:08 She would have beaten Thanos on her own if Thanos hadn't called for his Airship to "rain fire". Even Monica said it in WandaVision that Wanda could have defeated Thanos on her own. Wanda is OP man. I love it 😻 24:00 No guys. There was no other choice in the 616 universe. Timelines and universes are different. Timelines exist WITHIN universes. So in the main marvel universe the BLIP was the only way. But in the 838 universe there would have been different timelines so a different outcome would be possible there. 30:54 Lol y'all were talking when Wong was explaining. Chthon the first demon carved the spells in Wundagore which were later transcribed into the Darkhold.
I loved the Evil Dead, Drag to Hell, Aliens, Spider-Man 2, Army of Darkness, Carrie, Twilight Zone, The Shining, The Ring, Day of The Dead, Oz The Great, and Powerful, and the 1973 Oldsmobile Delta 88 references in this movie. The Magical Duel was badass. We also saw The Living Tribunal. I also loved the music in this movie.
Love that Danny Elfman did the score, and it was integral to the movie. Also, they used the same actor to play Black Bolt as was on the horrid Inhumans show. I'm really hoping Kamala Khan is still Inhuman, despite the subtle power changes.
That is Clea. The neice of Dormamau and the sorcerer Supreme in the dark dimension. I believe they even got married in the comics. Since they bringing up incursions, this might be setting up Avengers 5 Secret Wars.
When undead Dr. Strange formed his cape of demonic souls and fought for a few fleeting moments in that form, the first thought in my head was "This is a better live action Spawn than the actual Spawn we got in the 90's with Michael Jai White!". My second thought was "THIS is how you do PG-13 horror/violence. THIS is what Moboius should have been since the studio insisted on doing a non-R vampire movie." Basically, Hollywood at large could learn A LOT from the way Multiverse of Madness was made.
Chris saying “I can see why some people wouldn’t like this… I LOOOVE THIS” at 50:12 is exactly how I feel! It’s everything I could’ve personally wanted out of a SAM RAIMI Doctor Strange movie, cheese included!
Mark 1:05:18. "It's over!", isn't just a meta joke about the movie ending after the promise of, "DOCTOR STRANGE WILL RETURN", it also lets us know that three weeks elapsed within the timeframe of the movie, plus the time before that spellcast.
The Darkhold corrupts and the corruption is so strong it even effects it’s surroundings. She may have had the best of intentions in the beginning but Wanda became incredibly selfish and power hungry without realizing. It’s unfair to put ALL the responsibility on Strange when it came to handling the Thanos situation. Strange’s decision against Thanos affected trillions while Wanda’s decisions are meant to benefit only her. Had she not gone down a dark path she could’ve simply asked America to find a reality where her boys existed but she didn’t. But the Darkhold’s corruption was out of her hands and by the time she discovered America, she was already too far gone. Also, just an FYI… Wanda has always been OP af. She is a Nexus being after all. And infused with the power of the Darkhold and on a psychotic break she’s even more of a threat. The result of it is basically House of M. Also, there is no other Scarlet Witch. The prophecy told of one, Wanda. The one who wrote the Darkhold was Chthon. Also, the Darkhold corrupts the more you use it. Strange wasn’t corrupted by the Darkhold but the third-eye was an inevitable side-effect from using it. And Charlize plays Clea… who is amazing and is the niece of Dormammu.
In comics Wanda got her powers (eventually becomes Scarlett Witch) when she was an infant born at "Mount Wundagore" (Transia, eastern Europe) and was touched by Demon Chthon (former Elder God about 1 Billion years ago and wrote the "Darkhold" at Mount Wundagore) to mark her as his pottential next vessel for the future.
24:00 in Infinity War Dr Strange goes through every TIMELINE (not universe) within his universe to see possible outcomes. at that point he knew almost nothing of the multiverse.
Marketa, the only argument I have against your "Wanda and Strange should be equally affected by the dark hold" opinion is Wanda had that book for months, if not years, and read it over and over trying to find her kids.
To be fair, it isn't a bad thing that he noticed the change in her outfit. There's a lot of people I know that thought they changed it to make it more villainous, not realizing the small details within her outfit indicate a corrupted and heartbroken Wanda.
@Azrael’s Shadow actually they did pick that up. they just didnt want to mentioned it so they can use that in the next marvel film where Dr Strange gonna powered up with all the knowledge from the Darkhold.
No guys, in our Strange's timeline (616) that was the only way to win. In the new universe's timeline Strange defeated Thanos. Strange in Infinity War looked at all possibilities in HIS universe
Suraj was so dumb when he said that. There's supposed to be an infinite number of multiverses. Strange only say 14 million possibilities. don't know where he got the idea that different possibilities equals different universes
@@arafat9828 Just remember, it's in their name, "The Normies" they're just watching it as they go along without concerning themselves with what has happened prior. They're just enjoying it. There's no problem with that. I just correct whatever I think needs correcting.
The actor playing Black Bolt in this movie is the same actor who played him in the Inhumans tv series from a few years ago. He and Xavier actor Patrick Stewart are both also captains in Star Trek, in fact, both actors had their own Star Trek shows airing at the same time on the same week that this movie was released.
Here's the best analogy for the Multiverse. The Multiverse (a collection of timelines) is one gigantic forest. Each parallel timeline/universe is a tree, and each alternative timeline/universe is a branch. In this movie Strange is traveling through different parallel universe; trees. In Infinity War Strange looked at the many alternate timelines/universe; branches of his parallel universe.
@@malcolm00xl You have to remember, alternate timelines are considered universes as well. The term is used interchangeably in the MCU. That's why I said "parallel" and "alternate" to help distinguish the two
They did say who inscribed the Darkhold runes. It's an ancient demon nsmed Chthon who tries to use the Scarlet Witch as an earthly avatar to destroy the world
6:24 Mark! It looks like one of the toys that used to be a prize in a box of breakfast cereal, or you could save your box tops and mail-order some, or spend a QD in a vending machine and get it on a plastic capsule. Then to play with it, you placed on a refrigerator or a window, and watched it "crawl" down! This one in the movie, tumblers as it dies, just like the toys tumbled! 😅😂
24:00 What they need to understand is that there might have been another way for Thanos to die in that other universe, but Doctor Strange only saw all the possible TIMELINES, which are different from alternate universes
Lol Serge I love your multiple Zelda references during this. My favorite part of this movie was what he did with the Zombie Strange and how he turned the damned into his cloak. That was so Sam Raimi and I was HERE for it!
When the movie was testing with audiences it was leaked that test audience said it was way more violent and dark than the movie version....but the test audience felt that it made Wanda into very dislikable character so they toned down the violence and lightened up the more horror stuff....but i wish they had kept it more violent and scary...i liked this movie but it needed to be more hardcore..
Well considering that the individuals who disliked Wanda’s character to begin with (for the same hypocritical reason they like others) still hate her after the film it really didn’t help either way. Not to mention I’m sure Feige didn’t anticipate how popular Wanda’s character would’ve grown after WandaVision which let’s be real was a shock to most of the fandom, bad decisions on Marvels part completely vilifying their one and only none “woke agenda pushing” character.
People hate her for the same reason they like others , So hypocritical.. It doesn't matter because those who love her will love her no matter what she did just like every popular villain ,
"I didn't know Wanda was that powerful" Well, the truth is she is extremely underpowered in the movies. In the comics she's considered the strongest or at least one of the strongest characters and she also deleted all of reality along with every Marvel character if I remember correctly. This movie was a good little hint at what she's capable of but she can do so much more. "How did she not beat Thanos?" I think they just tried to give her the usual "I don't know how to control my powers yet" excuse in the movies, since she was still being experimented on in Avengers Age of Ultron
About who wrote the spells on the wall. When they entered Wong said that the first demon Cthon inscribed the spells on the walls and later it was copied into the Darkhold. There is no such thing as a former or previous Scarlet Witch. There is only one, Wanda Maximoff.
Speaking on Doctor Strange‘s time travel trips trying to figure out the best way to beat Thanos. I took it as he wasn’t traveling to different universes he was just assessing the different timelines that will come about from the decisions made in preparation for the final battle.
There's a certain irony to Anson Mount playing a silent character in this, and giving some truly fantastic speeches as Christopher Pike in Strange New Worlds. Also, this has an abnormally high number of Enterprise captains in it.
It's also interesting when you consider that if the Inhumans TV show had been successful, then Anson Mount would have never been cast as Captain Pike or gotten his own show because he would have stayed playing Black Bolt.
One thing I’m still questioning in Multiverse of Madness is how none of the other Wandas had Vision be there since he’s her husband & technically father of her children. Marvel really couldn’t get Paul Bettany for a few minutes of screentime?
I mean it’s the same with how do we not see a avenger in every movie like the beginning scene where strange is fighting that octopus creator was filmed in NY like where’s Spider-Man?😂
we only saw one other version of wanda and in that universe her kids are technically actually real (made of flesh and blood) vision is made of vibranium, so those children most likely have a different father
57:50 - 58:36 Charlize is actually playing Clea. In the comics, she's Dormammu's niece, and she becomes a sorceress under the teachings of Strange. Afterwords, she becomes Strange's lover, and then eventually, his successor as Sorcerer Supreme. So here, they're introducing Clea bringing Strange back to the Dark Dimension to fix the incursion.
There is basically a villain version of every superhero i believe. Because every choice matters. Any of the heroes we know could have been villains if they had been confronted to different situation 🤔
The guy whose name Suraj refuses to learn is the king of Inhumans…Black Bolt (Boltagon). Daisy Johnson is my favorite inhuman but she wouldn’t be possible if the main Inhuman character in the comics Black Bolt and his Queen Medusa didnt exist.
@@calvinallen3424 Agreed. With the off the wall things that Pat says, it's really telling that Suraj's constant stream of dumb questions/comments is what drags their reactions down for me.
This movie was great. Loved how it was directed in a scary movie type dog way. People don’t realize at the end of the day she is a witch. Makes sense for her to be scary especially as the villain of the movie.
I can tell that Chris and Marketa are in love because he was calmly freaking out over her being on her phone between credits. I only talk that way to my loved ones to make them get off their phones so they don't miss anything. 😄
This movie was like any other marvel normal movie like keys say Ragnarok or Far from home or Dr Strange 1 It's a movie amongst others like thor love and thunder that will lead to a major film like infinity wars or endgame Y'all expectations were too high When the time comes they will deliver
I loved when you guys were commenting on Wong. I was like "Yep, universe 616 is ours, and it has the most bad-ass heroes in it. Our Wong is Sorcerer Supreme, so..."
I was in my head thinking, “of course Wanda is stronger she got her powers from an infinity stone.” And then it dawned on me, captain marvel got her powers from an infinity stone too lmao
I like how they've put the doubt in many of us that Strange could be lying when he said there was only 1 way of saving the universe. Also, he only looked through 14M alternate timelines (because he was interrupted), out of an infinity of them.
I honestly dont like that fact because it seemed pretty clear to me that that wasnt the intended thing to take away from all this. In Infinity War the "Sacred Timeline" was still intact = only one outcome allowed = no multiverse if i understood it correctly. Now it isnt anymore. Strange wasnt lying, he was working within the boundaries he was at the time and with the best knowledge he had.
I find it insane that we could have someone like Tony discover time travel in a night, or Hank Pym create a way to shrink down to an atomic level, yet the 616 universe still hasn't met the smartest man on the planet, Reed Richards. The MCU Reed Richards is out there somewhere doing who knows what
I'm almost convinced he's stuck in the quantum realm with the rest of the Fantastic Four and we'll meet them in the next Ant-Man film, explaining where they've been this whole time and they can keep their 60s origin maybe. It might be a little similar to Cap being frozen to allowing keeping his 40s origins and put him in the modern day, but I'm sure people will be fine.
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Why does no one catch Wanda staring directly at the viewers when she takes over herself. That scene had me shocked Wanda knows about us
If you pay close attention, Suraj started talking the split second before it happened and wasnt looking. Chris reacted to Suraj by closing his eyes for a second and missing it too. Pat and Marketa just didnt have a reaction to it.
+Zav The1
I get chills everytime that happens.
I so wanted them to notice that fourth wall break by Elizabeth Olsen. THEY MISSED IT!
It was so cool in the theater when that happened
that remebered me ultron's scene in that what if episode
“I would never hurt anyone” is such an interesting line because you can see on her face she realizes all she has done and he gravity of that as she’s talking to her kids
I honestly think that was the moment she realized “oh shit I’m kinda crazy” and also “oh shit I kinda don’t deserve to be their mother”
Yea very delusional
@@rachelsbj1373 yes i really like that scene she’s literally crazy chaotic and i’m loving the crazy wanda/scarlet witch
@@whatiwatch006 specially when it's being played by someone as stunning as Elizabeth fkin Olsen 😩🖤
@@rikismatcha facts, she slays ❤️
Wong "Eons ago, the first demon, Chthon, carved his dark magic into this tomb."
The Normies: "So who did this shit? That's what I want to know."
Everyone: Slams head against wall.
Everyone: *confused noises*
Classic Normies; they always miss something
Bruh moment
Nah it was the disrespecting Black Bolt for me, "scrub-Mcgee"..or was he talkin about Mordu. Dont diss on Black Bolt.
@@jerusalemedwards7472 I assume Suraj was talking about Black Bolt cause he kept saying he didn't remember his name. Just goes to show how little they know about his character. He probably just heard the Inhumans show sucked and is projecting that onto the character.
Sarah in the comics is Wong's love interest. Which is why she shows affection toward him....and that explains why its zooms in on the singular tear when she sacrifices herself.
Like Darwin in 'X-Men: First Class', she deserved better. Heck, even when seeing 1 of Najma's only black female friend recently in 'Ms. Marvel, it all made me feel that dark-skinned black women are getting the short-end of the stick in the overall Marvel Extended Cinematic Universe.
@@COSun25 wait for Black Panther 2. That films gonna have Shuri and Nakia in lead roles and Okoye too of course and also it’s gonna have Riri Williams (Iron Heart) in the movie. Lots of Black Females in that film bud.
@@COSun25 I don't see your point... all of Najma's Clandestines died. The other sorcerors died en masse including some sorcerors we've known longer from the previous movies like the master Hamir. Are you suggesting all black women are, or by extension of your reasoning should be, immortal? There is no shorter end of the stick here when everyone is dealt an equally bad hand.
@@COSun25 I agree that she & Darwin deserved better.
The movie did not do a good job at portraying that
“but who originally carved these symbols here?!”
*literally like half a second after Wong just said, “long ago these were first carved here by the demon Chthon”*
lmaoo
and that's why they are *the normies*
That's what happens when you talk a lot during the movie
@Jeff Erckert And yet the subtitles were there and all they got out of them was reading character's names before they were mentioned.
They talk over stuff then ask questions that they talked over the answers to all the time
@@gingerdog8203 makes you wonder why anyone with a modicum of intelligence would subscribe to them!
16:22 Wanda was definitely stronger than Thanos during Endgame. Thanos was Scared of two people in that whole fight and that was Wanda and Captain Marvel. You have to remember that Thanos had to open fire on the battlefield just so he can get away from Wanda’s grip.
Wanda is definitely top 3 strongest Avenger.
didn’t he send Captain Marvel back to the kitchen with a power punch
@@tiddymobgoon that was literally a lucky punch he got off of her by using the power stone. He literally showed off a scared look when his punch’s didn’t do shit to her
Thanos was never scared of Captain Marvel, just shocked when she withstand his headbut. Once he found out she withstood it due to her absorbing from the stone, Thanos just blast her out. He is only afraid of Wanda in that movie.
Kevin Feigi has stated as of endgame Wanda is the strongest.
@@syahmioziar5290 he also stated that Captain Marvel was their strongest Avenger by far when that movie came out. That’s also saying that Thanos wasn’t scared of Wanda when she stopped his sword or when she lifted him up. He simply said shoot everything
@@doneekdiggs1211 If you remember, Wanda was blipped when Carol got introduced. She also didn't experience grieve of losing Vision yet. So, Carol is indeed the strongest at the time. When Wanda came back, the strongest position switch back to her.
Kevin Feige himself stated from the interview where he confirm Wanda is the strongest post endgame that for the first time Thanos got scared which is during his fight with Wanda.
Haha Chris’s “Why are there still people on the streets?!”
And Pat’s “Well if you see this happening you’re going to want to see it,”.
It’s funny because there was a comic panel, I believe with Peter Parker Spider-Man where he rescued a dude who was just recording the action on his phone and Peter said “I remember when people use to run away from the danger,”.
Honestly this is true even in real life. Some people want to see the real deal even at the cost of their life.
honestly seems accurate considering what those people have gone through even prior to half them getting dusted. at some point the chaos just becomes a way of life.
such a boomer joke
@@JohnnyMJiron i didnt think bout it like that . That is very true 😂
@@zacharybartolo5111 and film it lol
"I trust Wanda, i don't trust the Darkhold"
Same boy, same.
That damn book!
At least even the “Normies” can pick up on the fact that characters throughout the whole film specifically go out of their way to state the Darkhold corrupts anyone who reads it including Strange’s first dialogue about it and Strange himself by the end of the film.
If the Normies themselves can easily pick up on these things and know Wanda’s mind is corrupted, is it either the angry fanboys don’t want to acknowledge this point to validate their hatred for “Wanda’s always been evil” stance or are they all to stupid to understand basic dialogue🤔
It’s hilarious how you guys shut Chris down when he said the robots looked like Ultron when they were in fact Ultron Sentry bots 😂😂
Right? Marketa and Suraj wrongly shut him down with such confidence LMAO.
That means Ultron was a good guy in that universe right?
@@defnotatroll Or that Ultron wasn't made with the mind stone and was just Jarvis++ like Tony intended
FRRRRR!
Suraj always acts "higher than thou"
Every time the movie mentions Kamartaj, Suraj asks why they haven't had their memories of it wiped. Kamartaj is the sanctuary where doctor strange trained with the ancient one, which Wanda attacked here. In no way home, he mentions having erased wong's memory of the full moon party at Kamartaj, not the existence of the whole place.
This is like if you get so drunk you don't remember the new year's eve party in New York, and then every time you mention the city after that your friend says "I thought you couldn't remember New York"
Pat is brighter than Suraj at this point.
He's not that smart.
14:30 Techinically Wanda's children aren't fake, they are forged through magic. They may not be born from womb but their molecular density or existence are the same with any regular human. Quote Agatha 'A being ,capable of spontaneous creation.'
31:45 there wasn't a former Scarlet Witch, if we're going to follow the writing/lore of the SW in MCU, 'she was supposed to be a myth.' However it wasn't explained in WandaVision on why Wanda was the destined Scarlet Witch, how did she get her powers. Was she neither blessed or cursed by Chthon or her mother tried to tapped into magical energies such as the Chaos Magic.
Dude they have watched it already it's a meme on instagram they are just trying to act smart 😂😂😂
@@harpreetdogra222 don’t mind me, im just following a commentary also. Isn’t ‘watch parties’/commentaries should be like this? Lmao.
So why didn't she just make more children then instead of going on a killing spre
“That’s what every mother does.”
Wanda was corrupted by the darkhold. After the events of Westview she's been reading it for several months so the darkhold has severely corrupted her.
Also, there was no "previous" scarlet witch, our Wanda is the only one that's ever been. The reason why there was a scarlet witch throne is because there was a prophecy in the darkhold that someone, at some time, would become the Scarlet Witch. The throne was made for a future one. So now that Wanda became the scarlet witch (as prophesized), that throne belongs to her.
Oh, and to my knowledge, the other wanda variants aren't scarlet witches - they have access to magic but none of them have reached the climax of becoming The Scarlet Witch (like wanda did in wandavision) so there's only one "Scarlet Witch" but there's multiple other Wanda Maximoffs who aren't The Scarlet Witch.
Wanda was already in rough shape because of her kids. The moment she read the Darkhold, she sealed her fate. It has a will of it's own, and corrupts the reader. It drove Wanda to an even further extreme, where she genuinely thought she was in the right. But being shown how terrified her kids were of her shook her free of the control over her.
It basically brainwashed her into thinking she was doing the right thing, whatever may be the consequences
29:45 "They don't look like Ultron" I have agree with Chris' look of incredulity right there... "WHAT?!"
Yeah she was mistaken. They definitely look like ultron bots.
They probably had the beefy version in mind, not the sentries
Looked more like Ultron than Spader’s did
They are tho that’s how the comic ones look
My favorite part of the movie is when Strange trapped Wanda in the mirror dimension. Strange thought he can contain Wanda but she quickly understand the situation. Just like mirror, water also reflects and that's the reason why she escaped the mirror dimension. Ancient One said no one can get away in the mirror dimension without the sling ring but Wanda just escaped.
Spiderman too beat him there.
@@tc-tm1my which took quite a bit and in the end strange opened a portal which was how peter left, meanwhile wanda got out on her own pretty quickly
I think it's important to distinguish the _TIMELINES_ that strange looked at in Infinity War with the _UNIVERSES_ here. Strange was looking at all the possibilities for the future of that universe from that point onward, but different choices will never result in a paint dimension for example
THANK YOU! I had to pause at one point cause I was getting irritated lol
Right like there universe didn't have black bolt Reed Richards captain Peggy professor x. Ect if any thing it shows that universes illuminati was stronger then the avengers witch also speaks for scarlet witch's power
W. I thought Suraj was onto smt for a min before I realized Strange only looked for answers on how himself, spiderman, iron man & the Guardians could defeat Thanos. Even if he somehow came across this universe he would say “who the fuck are those ppl” lol
they did mentioned this during endgame, loki or spiderman nwh, it s just so annoying to keep hearing that "so there s other way to defeat thanos" like they dont even watch the previous movies with brain
53:29 "I've had the dreams too." I believe you are right. If dreams are snippets into the multiverse then 838 Wanda experiences the horrible nightmares of Scarlet Witch from 616 and then wakes up and remembers they are only dreams and that she has a great life.
in Agents of Shield, the Dark Hold rewrote itself to provide every person that read it their greatest desire. The evil of it was that ultimately, it was warping the minds of its readers to make them fulfill the books desire. It was never really stated in the show what that was, but most things people did caused harm to another dimension that they stole energy from.
It's similar in the comics - with VERY few exceptions, it will eventually corrupt you by giving you just enough of what you want. The number of people who've safely used it can be counted one one hand
Darkhold in AoS is not canon to MCU tho. Heck I'm pretty sure they said all the shows before MCU Disney+ are not canon now.
@@resurgingflame They've pretty intentionally avoided the question about what's canon, but the canon isn't really relevant here. That's how the Darkhold has worked in ALL it's appearances, whether TV or comics. It gives you what you want but it's gonna corrupt and warp you. Pretty standard Evil Item trope
@@resurgingflame Agents of Shield appears to not be canon, but there is lots to say that it may be included in the MCU in the future. The series tied in with many MCU movies.[spoilers ahead] It utilises several MCU characters during their time in the MCU not the least of which was Fury himself. Also, in season 7, they used the very same Quantum tech Endgame used for time and multiverse branch traveling.
Beyond that, there were several notable Agents of Shield tie ins in WandaVision. This may also be because Agent Coulson is the one who gave the Avengers the location of Hydra's final bases, where the scepter and the twins were. He also secretly rebuilt the air carrier that save the people from Sokovia. Thus, he played a crucial role in the events that took place there, up to and including, Wanda and Vision getting together as a couple.
Beyond any of that conjecture, there is one simple thing that is probably the most abundant reason the Agents of Shield will be included into the MCU, most likely as a separate multiverse, is the inhumans.
Inhumans were constantly a major part of Agents of Shield from the pilot episode to the final episode. The MCU though appears to be lacking any even slight reference to inhumans. The most convincing argument for this idea is the recent Ms Marvel series. So many people keep griping about how her powers came from her being an inhuman. Clearly, so far, the character in the MCU has no connection to inhumans and doesn't show any link to them at all.
This is easily explained if one simply sees that inhumans are like the Xmen. Something that doesn't exist in the MCU multiverse, but in another one. With that in mind, remember that the AoS multiverse has the tech to travel multiverses and time, so we don't even need an MCU character to initiate contact from that multiverse. They can literally show up anywhere anytime.
Just something to keep in mind.
I'd imagine the Darkhold's goal is Chthon's goal and Chthon's goal is probably similar to Dormammu's.
The fact for gargantos they took scans of Wanda’s eyes to foreshadow is a cool detail
I'm worried for 838 Wanda. Is she gonna get the blame for wiping out this Earth's mightiest heroes?
They literally know that she was possessed by her alternate self so I doubt it.
no
So glad someone else had that much joy seeing Bruce Campbell's cameo and the possessed hand reference.
@1:06:20 Black Bolt is the king of the Inhumans, in case you guys didn't know. It's the same actor from the Inhumans show (Anson Mount)
I love that we actually get to see Dr. Strange use SO MANY DIFFERENT SPELLS, you really feel his power
Except, for you know, portals that would be pretty fucking useful throughout the film but he decides not to use them...for reasons.
@@za-ir5ni What portals the sling rings? Wanda destroyed Strange's sling ring at the almost ending of Kamar Taj battle.
@@za-ir5ni Wanda literally destroyed his sling ring without it he can’t create portals
Doctor strange has a photographic memory. Since he read the dark hold I don’t think he can forget it
I didn’t know that, interesting! Even so, the only spell he had time to read was Dreamwalking. Which admittedly can destroy universes, but still.
@@SethRGray pretty sure, he glanced through some of the pages trying to find the possession spell. I guess after the events of MoM, he must've tried some of the dark magic and spells he memorized before destroying and dark hold and probably went abit too far and eventually caused an incursion. Maybe that's why Clea went looking for him in his universe. I mean she said he is responsible for the incursion and by the looks of it they were headed to the dark dimension. So maybe strange must've trying new spells to prevent dormammu from returning now that he doesn't have his time stone, preparing using the darkhold spells and eventually caused the incursion. Can't wait for Dr strange 3💥
31:57 The Normies questioning and theorizing what they don't understand while the very scene they're talking over is answering those questions. Yup. Classic Normies.
1:04:49 These guys don't even get the Inhumans reference and still put the disrespect on Black Bolt. My dude got improved and done dirty in this movie.
Complaining in comments, while they were talking about Inhumans reference in 32:44, smh.
They ARE normies, after all.
Who cares bro
I lost it when you guys said prof. X " gonna have a Ted talk" and "he is gonna introduce the iPhone 14."🤣😂
I loved how when Charles Xavier came in a snippet of the 90's animated series theme played in the background. Also Strange didn't say there was only one universe where they defeated Thanos; he wasn't checking universes, he was checking timelines. It's like what's the outcome if we do this...no? Then what's the outcome if we do that, etc. There was only one timeline where they won.
Beautiful
Yeah looking at other universes wouldn't help in determining an outcome
Black Bolt, one of the most powerful, as well as King, of the Inhumans; who has gone 1-on-1 with comic book Hulk (not the MCU powered down Hulk) and at its loudest his voice can literally shatter a planet.
"And Swatto. I refuse to learn his name."
It's suraj, his the new Nahid
To be fair, if the only exposure you've had to Inhumans is the tv show then not giving a shit is understandable.
Right so disrespectful!!!! Lol
Fans are hilarious
He still sucks
Stop coping
As a DC fan I fucking love this side of marvel the horror the Darkness was done beautifully
hell yes. i’ve been wanting something like this from marvel sm. it’s why i was always more of a dc fan bc marvel usually went more of the “soft” route
Charlize Theron is playing Clea. There's a whole history there - in the comics, she is the niece of Dormammu and the daughter of Umar (who has not yet appeared in the MCU). She is also the great love of Strange's life - they end up married, though she later loses that memory. In the current comics, Strange is dead and Clea has taken his place as the Earth's Sorcerer Supreme.
Funny enough with Clea showing up it makes one page from the original Illuminati series tie in really well with this. For one a version of the Illuminati are in the movie, a reality warper who can do whatever they want is the main threat (the Beyonder), Dr Strange is shown waking up shirtless in bed and the two naked women at his side in this perfect world are Clea (female lead of the next movie) and Wanda (female lead of this one). Both of whom had studied under Strange and done some other stuff under him.
@@Avocado11 "Done some other stuff under him" 😏
Soo basically They've made a Latina hero who can cross borders LMAO 😂
Ehm
bro put lmao with a laughing emoji 💀
DX
SOOO at 52:32, According to Elizabeth Olsen, when she yells STOP IT, that was a real reaction! She legit yelled at those kids to stop throwing the toys! hahahaha
Omg where??? also so funny but horrible at the same time lol
@@yas7689 It's an interview she did for Variety, pretty easy to find, one of the things they were throwing hit her face really hard lol
11:03 Yeah the PARTY was wiped from his memory not the existence of Kamar-Taj itself just the memory of the full moon party that they kept there.
16:08 She would have beaten Thanos on her own if Thanos hadn't called for his Airship to "rain fire". Even Monica said it in WandaVision that Wanda could have defeated Thanos on her own. Wanda is OP man. I love it 😻
24:00 No guys. There was no other choice in the 616 universe. Timelines and universes are different. Timelines exist WITHIN universes. So in the main marvel universe the BLIP was the only way. But in the 838 universe there would have been different timelines so a different outcome would be possible there.
30:54 Lol y'all were talking when Wong was explaining. Chthon the first demon carved the spells in Wundagore which were later transcribed into the Darkhold.
I loved the Evil Dead, Drag to Hell, Aliens, Spider-Man 2, Army of Darkness, Carrie, Twilight Zone, The Shining, The Ring, Day of The Dead, Oz The Great, and Powerful, and the 1973 Oldsmobile Delta 88 references in this movie. The Magical Duel was badass. We also saw The Living Tribunal. I also loved the music in this movie.
Love that Danny Elfman did the score, and it was integral to the movie. Also, they used the same actor to play Black Bolt as was on the horrid Inhumans show. I'm really hoping Kamala Khan is still Inhuman, despite the subtle power changes.
That is Clea. The neice of Dormamau and the sorcerer Supreme in the dark dimension. I believe they even got married in the comics. Since they bringing up incursions, this might be setting up Avengers 5 Secret Wars.
41:37 Pat hiding behind Chris absolutely made this reaction
The little bit of the X-men cartoon theme during the Prof X reveal made me so happy
When undead Dr. Strange formed his cape of demonic souls and fought for a few fleeting moments in that form, the first thought in my head was "This is a better live action Spawn than the actual Spawn we got in the 90's with Michael Jai White!". My second thought was "THIS is how you do PG-13 horror/violence. THIS is what Moboius should have been since the studio insisted on doing a non-R vampire movie."
Basically, Hollywood at large could learn A LOT from the way Multiverse of Madness was made.
One of my favourite scenes in this movie. And when Wanda crawls through the gong.
Sam raimi is a master of horror
Strange did fight training in his first movie with Mordo. He did learn some fighting skills!
Chris saying “I can see why some people wouldn’t like this… I LOOOVE THIS” at 50:12 is exactly how I feel! It’s everything I could’ve personally wanted out of a SAM RAIMI Doctor Strange movie, cheese included!
I loved this movie so much it made my Top 10 mcu movies.
+Mr. Movie Mafia
Took the words right out of my mouth.
I LOVE this movie so much.
@@zacharybartolo5111
It's up there, for me.
@@zacharybartolo5111 same!
YES THIS
Wong said who created the Scarlett Witch throne
It's name "CHTHON"
Yea. They kept asking questions but not listening lol
39:10 Seeing Professor X and Scarlet Witch in the same movie brings me back to the old X-Men cartoons! Now this, puts a smile on my face 😌
Same! 🙏🏽
When you realized Wanda is Su Beifong and Black Bolt just got P'Lied 😂
Mark 1:05:18. "It's over!", isn't just a meta joke about the movie ending after the promise of, "DOCTOR STRANGE WILL RETURN", it also lets us know that three weeks elapsed within the timeframe of the movie, plus the time before that spellcast.
Wong explains where the carvings in Wandagore came from.
The Normies:
"Who wrote all of that? Was it the previous Scarlet Witch" 😂🤦🏽♂️
The Darkhold corrupts and the corruption is so strong it even effects it’s surroundings. She may have had the best of intentions in the beginning but Wanda became incredibly selfish and power hungry without realizing. It’s unfair to put ALL the responsibility on Strange when it came to handling the Thanos situation. Strange’s decision against Thanos affected trillions while Wanda’s decisions are meant to benefit only her. Had she not gone down a dark path she could’ve simply asked America to find a reality where her boys existed but she didn’t. But the Darkhold’s corruption was out of her hands and by the time she discovered America, she was already too far gone.
Also, just an FYI… Wanda has always been OP af. She is a Nexus being after all. And infused with the power of the Darkhold and on a psychotic break she’s even more of a threat. The result of it is basically House of M.
Also, there is no other Scarlet Witch. The prophecy told of one, Wanda. The one who wrote the Darkhold was Chthon. Also, the Darkhold corrupts the more you use it. Strange wasn’t corrupted by the Darkhold but the third-eye was an inevitable side-effect from using it.
And Charlize plays Clea… who is amazing and is the niece of Dormammu.
And the reason strange wasn't corrupted was because he used it for like 5mins...lol
Wanda used it for 8 months
why doesn’t wanda has a 3rd eye then?
@@at_oussama Because that might be in relation to the Sorcerer Supreme who deals in a different type of magic from Wanda’s chaos magic.
I wonder if Patrick Stewart is getting tired of dying as professor X. He has died more in movies as professor X than he has lived in.
He doesnt get tired of that paycheck thats for sure
I think they put him in that universe to separate future mcu xmen from fox's. But putting Logan as the same actor is confusing.
In comics Wanda got her powers (eventually becomes Scarlett Witch) when she was an infant born at "Mount Wundagore" (Transia, eastern Europe) and was touched by Demon Chthon (former Elder God about 1 Billion years ago and wrote the "Darkhold" at Mount Wundagore) to mark her as his pottential next vessel for the future.
24:00 in Infinity War Dr Strange goes through every TIMELINE (not universe) within his universe to see possible outcomes. at that point he knew almost nothing of the multiverse.
Marketa, the only argument I have against your "Wanda and Strange should be equally affected by the dark hold" opinion is Wanda had that book for months, if not years, and read it over and over trying to find her kids.
15:00 Elizabeth about to deliver the best line of the movie and he talks about her outfit.... good job.
Marketa caught it at least
To be fair, it isn't a bad thing that he noticed the change in her outfit. There's a lot of people I know that thought they changed it to make it more villainous, not realizing the small details within her outfit indicate a corrupted and heartbroken Wanda.
I loved the “wtf you saying” look Chris gives Pat when Pat says something that doesn’t make sense 😂
The NORMIES out here blessing us with CONTENT ! Thanks guys, appreciate these vids.
After some salty user was claiming they were losing interest in the normies because they don’t post often enough for bigger shows and movies. Love it.
Wanda: "I have to close it, no one will be tempted by the Darkhold any loger.
Strange: "Well, I have a photographic memory"
@Azrael’s Shadow actually they did pick that up. they just didnt want to mentioned it so they can use that in the next marvel film where Dr Strange gonna powered up with all the knowledge from the Darkhold.
No guys, in our Strange's timeline (616) that was the only way to win. In the new universe's timeline Strange defeated Thanos. Strange in Infinity War looked at all possibilities in HIS universe
Suraj was so dumb when he said that. There's supposed to be an infinite number of multiverses. Strange only say 14 million possibilities. don't know where he got the idea that different possibilities equals different universes
@@arafat9828 Just remember, it's in their name, "The Normies" they're just watching it as they go along without concerning themselves with what has happened prior. They're just enjoying it.
There's no problem with that. I just correct whatever I think needs correcting.
@@arafat9828 exactly
The actor playing Black Bolt in this movie is the same actor who played him in the Inhumans tv series from a few years ago. He and Xavier actor Patrick Stewart are both also captains in Star Trek, in fact, both actors had their own Star Trek shows airing at the same time on the same week that this movie was released.
Here's the best analogy for the Multiverse.
The Multiverse (a collection of timelines) is one gigantic forest. Each parallel timeline/universe is a tree, and each alternative timeline/universe is a branch. In this movie Strange is traveling through different parallel universe; trees.
In Infinity War Strange looked at the many alternate timelines/universe; branches of his parallel universe.
Get this shit pinned
I would say that multiverse is forest, universe is trees and branches are timelines and you're golden
@@malcolm00xl You have to remember, alternate timelines are considered universes as well. The term is used interchangeably in the MCU. That's why I said "parallel" and "alternate" to help distinguish the two
Thank you, branches are still, for all intents and purposes, universes.
@@Cinemabu11 fucking hell this really needs to get pinned...simple and if you read it twice very clear
Why are we cutting out the fourth wall stare down, that’s my favorite part sooo good
Bcus they didn't react to it/didn't realize it in the full reaction.
I can't believe Chris didn't go nuts, that's a full-on Raimi moment.
They did say who inscribed the Darkhold runes. It's an ancient demon nsmed Chthon who tries to use the Scarlet Witch as an earthly avatar to destroy the world
6:24 Mark! It looks like one of the toys that used to be a prize in a box of breakfast cereal, or you could save your box tops and mail-order some, or spend a QD in a vending machine and get it on a plastic capsule.
Then to play with it, you placed on a refrigerator or a window, and watched it "crawl" down!
This one in the movie, tumblers as it dies, just like the toys tumbled! 😅😂
“I’m not a monster, I’m a mother” damn they really released this right before Mother’s Day too 💀
24:00 What they need to understand is that there might have been another way for Thanos to die in that other universe, but Doctor Strange only saw all the possible TIMELINES, which are different from alternate universes
Lol Serge I love your multiple Zelda references during this.
My favorite part of this movie was what he did with the Zombie Strange and how he turned the damned into his cloak. That was so Sam Raimi and I was HERE for it!
SO HYPE FOR CHARLIZE PLAYING CLEA!!! I think they can do some really fun stuff with her and Dr Strange and Dormammu
She's trash for so many reasons
When the movie was testing with audiences it was leaked that test audience said it was way more violent and dark than the movie version....but the test audience felt that it made Wanda into very dislikable character so they toned down the violence and lightened up the more horror stuff....but i wish they had kept it more violent and scary...i liked this movie but it needed to be more hardcore..
Well considering that the individuals who disliked Wanda’s character to begin with (for the same hypocritical reason they like others) still hate her after the film it really didn’t help either way.
Not to mention I’m sure Feige didn’t anticipate how popular Wanda’s character would’ve grown after WandaVision which let’s be real was a shock to most of the fandom, bad decisions on Marvels part completely vilifying their one and only none “woke agenda pushing” character.
No, it had the right amount of horror.
People hate her for the same reason they like others , So hypocritical.. It doesn't matter because those who love her will love her no matter what she did just like every popular villain ,
Someone else crying about woke characters lol
I was SO excited for Balck Bolt. I didn't even know there was a show, I just love his powers from the comics and games and such
yeah, but the show was canceled. I’ve never watched it but from my understanding it’s not wasn’t all that good.
@@wtfheim It really wasn't. I watched it and the joke is Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is a much better inhuman show than the actual Inhuman itself
Black bolt was kinda the best thing about that show and it still wasn't very good. I'm glad he got another chance to shine as this character.
I was excited too, then they shit all over his character and made him look like a fucking moron.
Balckbolt yes
"I didn't know Wanda was that powerful"
Well, the truth is she is extremely underpowered in the movies. In the comics she's considered the strongest or at least one of the strongest characters and she also deleted all of reality along with every Marvel character if I remember correctly. This movie was a good little hint at what she's capable of but she can do so much more.
"How did she not beat Thanos?"
I think they just tried to give her the usual "I don't know how to control my powers yet" excuse in the movies, since she was still being experimented on in Avengers Age of Ultron
She almost did beat Thanos. And they “rained fire.”
She didn't "delete every marvel charecter"
About who wrote the spells on the wall. When they entered Wong said that the first demon Cthon inscribed the spells on the walls and later it was copied into the Darkhold.
There is no such thing as a former or previous Scarlet Witch. There is only one, Wanda Maximoff.
"Dreams are windows into the lives of our Multiversal selves"
Me and definitely a lot of people: "Boy, my other selves sure are clumsy"
Speaking on Doctor Strange‘s time travel trips trying to figure out the best way to beat Thanos. I took it as he wasn’t traveling to different universes he was just assessing the different timelines that will come about from the decisions made in preparation for the final battle.
There's a certain irony to Anson Mount playing a silent character in this, and giving some truly fantastic speeches as Christopher Pike in Strange New Worlds.
Also, this has an abnormally high number of Enterprise captains in it.
It's also interesting when you consider that if the Inhumans TV show had been successful, then Anson Mount would have never been cast as Captain Pike or gotten his own show because he would have stayed playing Black Bolt.
One thing I’m still questioning in Multiverse of Madness is how none of the other Wandas had Vision be there since he’s her husband & technically father of her children.
Marvel really couldn’t get Paul Bettany for a few minutes of screentime?
He isn't with that Wanda anymore, the actor confirmed it.
I mean it’s the same with how do we not see a avenger in every movie like the beginning scene where strange is fighting that octopus creator was filmed in NY like where’s Spider-Man?😂
@@johnnyirons222 working to pay his rent
we only saw one other version of wanda and in that universe her kids are technically actually real (made of flesh and blood) vision is made of vibranium, so those children most likely have a different father
@@mmemori idk, it’s possible since it’s a different universe, but her kids have no other origin other than being made from magic
To explain Strange's combat skill. A part of his training involved traditional Shaolin Gung Fu. Wong is also his instructor.
Fun fact: None of the Phase 4 movies have been released in China
57:50 - 58:36 Charlize is actually playing Clea. In the comics, she's Dormammu's niece, and she becomes a sorceress under the teachings of Strange. Afterwords, she becomes Strange's lover, and then eventually, his successor as Sorcerer Supreme. So here, they're introducing Clea bringing Strange back to the Dark Dimension to fix the incursion.
Benedict Wong plays Wong just in case Suraj is still confused
39:30 I'm crying😭 best part honestly!
I'm ALIVE!!!! 😂😂😂😂
There's a villian version of Reed Richards it calls himself the maker. Great characters, of the ultimate universe.
There is basically a villain version of every superhero i believe. Because every choice matters. Any of the heroes we know could have been villains if they had been confronted to different situation 🤔
Multiverse was the best decision mcu went with. As long as they don't fuck up continuity.
"Who wrote the Darkhold here?"
they literally explained who wrote it a second ago
The guy whose name Suraj refuses to learn is the king of Inhumans…Black Bolt (Boltagon). Daisy Johnson is my favorite inhuman but she wouldn’t be possible if the main Inhuman character in the comics Black Bolt and his Queen Medusa didnt exist.
exactly. some ppl just love being i’ll use the word “unserious” to be nice. that’s what ppl like suraj are.
Yeah same, Daisy is my fav too
52:32 that “STOP IT” was genuinely real and actually scared the kids in that scene to point Elizabeth Olsen teared up
Many fans wrongfully expected this film to raise stakes similar to Endgame. It is merely part of the setup for the next Avengers-level threat.
True
Which is Secret wars
I love how well the trailers hid the fact that WANDA WAS THE FUCKING VILLAIN!
11:06 he's answering his own question within his question. The keyword is "party", not the name of the location.
I swear I worry about Suraj sometimes. He literally watches zombie Strange make a portal then asked how he got onto that mountain
@@calvinallen3424 Agreed. With the off the wall things that Pat says, it's really telling that Suraj's constant stream of dumb questions/comments is what drags their reactions down for me.
This movie was great. Loved how it was directed in a scary movie type dog way. People don’t realize at the end of the day she is a witch. Makes sense for her to be scary especially as the villain of the movie.
It's a little underrated. It is one of the best superhero and even one the best horror movies out there right now.
I just realized, Vision doesn't exist in 838 because Ultron was a good guy.
I can tell that Chris and Marketa are in love because he was calmly freaking out over her being on her phone between credits. I only talk that way to my loved ones to make them get off their phones so they don't miss anything. 😄
“This is not real?” Yeah that’s why Dr Strange said about the flowers “it’s almost looks real”
Wanda was the best part of the movie, the rest was let me say decent but far from good.
This movie was like any other marvel normal movie like keys say Ragnarok or Far from home or Dr Strange 1
It's a movie amongst others like thor love and thunder that will lead to a major film like infinity wars or endgame
Y'all expectations were too high
When the time comes they will deliver
@@aeoyndjuric1679 lies
Wanda was the best part
The rest of it were just meh
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I love it when he goes, "Meeeeanwhile" 😂
Sam Rami’s camera work is on other levels of God! 🎥
I loved when you guys were commenting on Wong.
I was like "Yep, universe 616 is ours, and it has the most bad-ass heroes in it. Our Wong is Sorcerer Supreme, so..."
I was in my head thinking, “of course Wanda is stronger she got her powers from an infinity stone.” And then it dawned on me, captain marvel got her powers from an infinity stone too lmao
Well they explained in WandaVision that she was always a witch, the mind stone just made her realize it.
@@emptyasmrman It amplified her already existing ability to manipulate probability.
She's also a nexus being and the one and only Scarlett witch in the entire multiverse which makes her the strongest of all Wanda's
I really hope Wanda didn't kill herself with the darkhold at the end. She's one of my favorite characters.
Sam Raimi did a great job with the scary parts of the movie I hope marvel let's him do the marvel zombies movie coming!!
Not a movie btw, its a tv show
I like how they've put the doubt in many of us that Strange could be lying when he said there was only 1 way of saving the universe. Also, he only looked through 14M alternate timelines (because he was interrupted), out of an infinity of them.
I honestly dont like that fact because it seemed pretty clear to me that that wasnt the intended thing to take away from all this. In Infinity War the "Sacred Timeline" was still intact = only one outcome allowed = no multiverse if i understood it correctly. Now it isnt anymore. Strange wasnt lying, he was working within the boundaries he was at the time and with the best knowledge he had.
I find it insane that we could have someone like Tony discover time travel in a night, or Hank Pym create a way to shrink down to an atomic level, yet the 616 universe still hasn't met the smartest man on the planet, Reed Richards.
The MCU Reed Richards is out there somewhere doing who knows what
correct me if im wrong but isn't Reed Richards a relative of Tony Stark?
@@maelpsng in some comic issues, but overall: no
@@tiddymobgoon ohh, that's cool. thanks man.
I'm almost convinced he's stuck in the quantum realm with the rest of the Fantastic Four and we'll meet them in the next Ant-Man film, explaining where they've been this whole time and they can keep their 60s origin maybe. It might be a little similar to Cap being frozen to allowing keeping his 40s origins and put him in the modern day, but I'm sure people will be fine.
I like how y’all literally talked over wong explaining who wrote the darkhold lmao