A section of an interview has leaked, stating that Isa "deeply regrets" the way he handled ending. Expect a rage video towards the "you don't understand the story" drones very soon. The Eren and Historia video is next.
In case anyone wants to read a translation of the leaked section of the interview www.reddit.com/r/yeagerbomb/comments/n1w9lk/isayamas_interview_leaked_by_zekkenroughly/
"I refuse to die like this, I'll drag them all out. Kill them with my bare hand" eren character literally gives me chills. Isayama need to give us the original ending in a book or maybe a movie
Its just sad what happened to Eren just tragic & not in a beautiful story telling kinda way but a shitty trifling kinda way. We haven't heard Erens prepective in years & to have Armin ask him why he wiped out 80% of humanity and for Eren to say he didn't know was true pain like damn.
@@franconius85 My favourite EVA ending is the one where Shinji-kun does everything Eren fails to do. Kill the whole world. Get the girl you wanked over. Does that say more about me than the characters involved??
bro why the fuck would he kills his friends? did u forget that? he always has two motivations. wanting to destroy the world and obtain freedom but also protect his friends. He got most of the first part, but he couldn't truly complete the rumbling without killing his friends and despite how brutal Eren is to his enemies he also loves his friends. go back to the train scene with Eren and his friends. He means every word in that scene.
@@user-ug2to5bo1q define this "cohesive conclusion" you were refering to. What did you expect from Eren actually? What matters more? His feelings or yours?
What angers me about the ending is that Eren cared about freedom more than anything, he even said to hannes these walls makes him feel like a 'caged bird'. However, now suddenly he now about mikasa finding another man but not freedom?. What was the point in the sea scene for him to say 'will we be free then' if he never fought for freedom but pulled a lelouch and knows he will never reach it🤦♀️this just hurts how yams massacred his character
U dont read the manga, it's not possible... eren cared about freedom and also cared about his friends, he did switched his freedom for his friends in some other ocasions, and about mikasa's, he set geral free, told her to forget him, he said what she needed to move on, but for armin, he could be selfish
@ey eren didnt kill his mother, he just mede dina not eating betthold, and then, result in his mother's death, time is linear in snk, there is only one rout, so it was inevitable, so your argument is just non validated
Eren was 1 chapter away from becoming the greatest main character of all time by far but what did isayama do make eren a plot device and also retconn his amazing character I’m still pissed I’ll never ever get over it .
@@genghiskhan7691 while i agree i kinda disagree. He was already in tier of guts,musashi,thorfinn,etc for me. While i think someone like guts was better than him, i liked eren more. And the ending had the opportunity to be what code geass's ending was to lelouch. Taking an already amazing character and transcending him beyond. Which thanks to yams we saw how it went down.
@@Aswar211 Well then he was the last in that tier. Imo Guts, Musashi, Thorfinn, Tenma were all better written. Eren was on the same level as Lelouch and Light but the ending ruined his character.
A lot of people theorized that eren is going to be a villain. A LOT of people. Not a sympathetic one mind you, but a full blown psychotic, selfish villain. There are many scenes in the manga that supports this theory as well.
@@immentallyhandicapped2903 Well, he was justified BEFORE chapter 139. He was doing it for Paradis to be at peace, because even after all the negotiations with Marley, they would never refuse to let Paradis at peace. Eren was killing all of Marley so that he could end the war and the cycle of hatred for Paradis's sake, but now, we learned that he did all that because he wanted his friends to live which lead to the destruction of Paradis. He didn't care about those who were not important to him, and in the end, everyone died because he didn't destroy Marley. This is genuinely the worst character destruction I've ever seen
@@immentallyhandicapped2903 yes people don't complain about him becoming a villian because villianes also have mentalities, goals, like Thanos. Even though you don't like them you respect their power and determination. But final chapter Eren just went like "I'm GoNnA KiLl MilLiOnS sO My fRieNdS CouLd bE HeRoEs" crap. I mean not you making your friends heroes when you wipe our 80 % of humanity what's the point of that? If you see the future then you have a chance to change it. Then you have a chance to kill less. And besides he saw yaegerists in the future too and yet let them get killed by his friends so Eren the guy who wanted to give Eldians a place in the world killed Eldians himself. From wherever you look at it, the ending makes no sense. The whole final arc Eren slowly lost his character chapter by chapter. We all knew Eren was gonna become villian and move by his own but this one makes zero sense. It's forced and cringe. Let's admit guys Isayama terribly sucked. The set up plots but never completed any of them rationally let alone epic.
Eren's character is a jumbled Mess - Wanting Mikasa to be free but also wanting her to never forget him and can't see her with another man -Wanting Eldia to be Jeagirists with a mindset to kill everyone outside but also wanting they would listen to Armin and others who are mass murderers and killed tons of Yeagirists -Wanted to do the rumbling for his friends , Paradis island and Armin's book but also doesn't know why he did the rumbling - Wanting to exterminate everyone outside the walls but also 80% is enough - Wanted his friends to live long lives but also admitting that he didn't know if his friends will make it or not , if anything 100% rumbling should have guaranteed his friends' safety more than anything Also was this eren's doing or is he just Ymir's errand boy ( indicated by the founder eye panel) Mikasa even took the protagonist title from him because at the end everything was revolving around Mikasa The tragedy of Ellen Beggar
@@alexvaughan1013 Eren is a not the brightest character, at best he was good at following orders, at worst he's a vengeful impulsive monster. Of course his plan falls apart at the end and Armin has to fix his mess, Eren coming up with a coherent plan at the very end would be out of character.
The biggest problem of the ending is Ymir. She's the plot resolver and somehow became a main character who needed her issues resolved (even tho we didn't know she had any issues needing resolution to begin with? I think that flashback chapter and Eren telling her that she was free was enough).
I’m surprised no one ever mentions eren’s conversation with pixis in episode 11 of season 1. He literally calls his own plan of uniting against a common enemy to create peace “naive”.
@@sonwalrez2842I think saintichief did it at some point, but I don't know if it's the same because I remember it's Armin coming up with a plan to trick people into believing the police salved them from the government something like that
I think the most insulting part about all of this is the part of the fandom that insist that his character wasn’t assassinated. Some insist he was always like this and has always been a bad character or saying his goals were achieved when neither is the case. I really hope the anime tries in original ending to try to save this character that I held so dear before chapter 139
Eren was the first mc to notably shift he’s views about the titans. When they leave the walls he says there not enemy’s there our people. Eren is empathetic and cares about people deeply throughout s1-s3 the fact he’s justified killings are used as a way to say he was always destined to be a murderous psychopath is such a slap in the face. To use those moments of basically survival as justification for the retcon eren is just idiocy, it’s a different character. He showed just as much empathy and care for human life as armin. He’s fits of rage we’re literally in response to being threatened with death everyday not some foreshadowing of a villian, it’s so fucking stupid. S1 - S3 erens goals would’ve been to preserve as much human life as possible as he’s never okay with people being killed and gets over he’s lifelong hate for titans the moment he figures out there innocent, doesn’t sound like the type of guy who would be so indifferent to genocide.
Bruh your video is gold,eren literally would've gone down as probably the greatest anime MC,a hero turned villian because of how he was robbed off his freedom, he'd be a good example of how to write a villian everyone can relate with and him finishing the rumbling will match the theme of the story" Not passing hatred or things to future generations" given the fact that it was the hatred in to his race that created a monster like him and caused the downfall of the world,that would've been a good closure to his character and the story if Isayama hadn't given in to shippers and fanservice, damn he ruined the story TBH
it would have led to a lot of interesting debate and interpretation... was eren justified? is he truly evil? is it enough to care only for your friends and the future of your people? is eren a monster or was armin just naive? can a person like armin even survive without someone like eren to protect him? does a person like eren fundamentally need a person like armin to avoid losing all hope and drifting into nihilism? how far can you push and oppress someone until they become a monster? does aot accurately describe the true nature of politics? all of these questions go moot when you reveal that everything that happened in the story was orchestrated by an omniscient being off-camera and that the reader can't actually trust their perception of anything that happened. aot rly had the potential to be one of the greatest stories of our generation and i'm still cheesed that in the end it's just a wasted opportunity..
IDK HOW COME ISAYAMA SPARED SO MANY CHARACTERS, THE OLD ISAYAMA WOULDVE KILLED OFF SO MANY MORE CHARACTERS, BUT NOW IT WAS LIKE THEY ALL FCKIN ALIVE... ANNIE, REINER, PIECK, I WANTED THEM DEAD, ATLEAST 2/3 PLUS MANY OTHER MARLEYANS AND PPL FROM PARADIS
No its not like he only care about his friends he would have killed 100 percent of population if his friends didn't stop him he couldn't able to killed his friends and he let him to killed him
I had no expectations for the ending of AOT and was still blindsided by this. The tonal whiplash and truly terrible writing in the last chapter killed any love I had for this series.
Sad thing I feel that way too I invested so much into this series but like many great shows it's always hard to end a series with such a great story in a short amount of time it should have been fleshed out just a little bit more for a year more.
Same. I can't even watch s1-s3 when I know he's gonna be a clown and mother killer one day. Already decided to drop s4 part 2. AoT no Requiem about to be my real ending soon
@@luxeternity The moment that truly killed this series for me was Ymir loving King Fritz. That's just distasteful. This man had been portrayed as the worst humanity had and making ymir be lovesick to someone who mutilated her, killed her parents, made her a slave, raped her and had her hunted down like a wild animal was just gross. It didn't give such a heavy subject the narrative weight it deserved, instead slapping a rosy filter over it.
@@SnuSnuDungeon same. At the end of the day I just lumped those who like this ending as rape, abuse, slavery, pedophile apologist. I don't have time to debate more about it
this is not just embarrassing or disappointing, this is insulting. Eren could've been one of the greatest anime/manga characters of all time if Isayama didn't gave us this half asked conclusion.
seeing the title hurts me so much a few months ago I would have never thought we would be seeing these types of videos on Eren character I hate how we are supposed to believe his development was a facade and the worst part is that Eren has always been my favorite character even since ep 1 yet whenever I say he is ruined people tell me you didn’t understand his character like wtf or that I only liked him because I thought he was a chad like if I knew he was just going to be a plot device In the end I would have dropped this shit long ago like Eren was literally used by Ymir just so she could see her fetish play out like wtf bruh he literally was just a slave of a slave and he didn’t achieve or do anything other than removing Titans which is more harmful than it is helpful for Paradis since they now have no form of protection
I think the message of the series is that people should use protection and highly consider getting an abortion if they don't think they are fit to be a parent, since their child might grow up to be an Eren.
My take is that the message is, "give up on your dreams and die". Eren literally did that in the ending. Not to mention that most characters who fight for their dream seem to meet horrible fates e.g. Grisha, Erwin, Mikasa, Ramzi. Everything you worked for will be meaningless, and your whole family will die horrible deaths. Meanwhile, oppressors like the Marley Warriors get to have happy end. Considering Isayama succeeded in a market of people fighting for their dream to produce manga, this 'message' is incredibly hypocritical.
Over the past month i've given up and lost emotional investment in the series, but your video reminded me of what AOT used to be. God, those endless sacrifaces, existential horror and despair, but constant moving forward because of our nature as a species. We are all born with the desire for freedom and unavoidably have to face with reality full of hatred and opression. That was the core of Eren's character. It was all about real, horrifing and unsolvable questions about human's existence and the scales of one individual with their loved ones to the whole world. It's so painful to think of what AOT might have been. I honestly can't understand how such massive amount of people liked and accepted the ending. It's only possible if the majority of fanbase read AOT as 'haha cool pictures go brrr mikasa ass nice'. How many dead brain cells should you have for whooooshing all the themes developed through 123 fucking chapters full of dialoges and character's constant reflections. I am so disappointed.
Bro im literally crying to ur vid ... you captured perfectly what made this ending so bad.. It makes me furious how ppl can only bring the argument that we are "mad bc our Eren & Historia ship never sailed".. personally,.. i never cared about ships and its really ironic how those exact ppl within the community who are solely in for the ships completely miss the point and say that ending is even remotely bearable... THANKS FOR THIS VID MAN,... ITS APPRECIATED.
Thank u the writer himself admitted he fucked up the ending however I’ll never forgive him , there is no excuses for what he did ruined the whole series
Eren Jaeger was a wild ride. He had one of the biggest potentials I ever witnessed in character development and an even more disappointing conclusion. To the boy who sought freedom: You deserved better. Like, so much better. Sonny Corleone getting massacred was a gentle massage compared to the way Isayama massacred Eren's character.
I just can’t get why the warriors are the ones with happy ass endings and the main characters who have suffered the most get tragic and bittersweet endings. Aot will forever be a top 500 anime though 👍🏽
That was the point. The goal was to try to make us hate Eren. For me, it didn't work. That guy in 138-139 isn't Eren. He's a retconned fake, manipulated by a sell out mangaka trying to grand stand.
No he's a dude who had an insane outburst of emotion after suppressing virtually all emotion for the span of 4 years. Keep in mind 138 and 139 he is approaching his death and knows he will have to die as he is unwilling to kill his own friends.
@@shahwarbasith2295 Eren came close to dying multiple times in the show, and not once did he think about Mikasa in these moments. even Isayama stated in an interview in the past that Eren saw Mikasa as a mother figure. your argument is incorrect.
I refuse to accept that 100% rumbling was his fake plan, it was his real plan until Isayama told him to make the ending as trash as possible. So eren changed his plan to make the ending trash
eren and armin were some of the most inspirational characters i've seen in fiction in so many years, and isayama just trolled me in the end. i'm glad i never spent money on aot but i can't get that time back.
@@alexvaughan1013 Future memories were fine But it was Eren _going back in time_ to talk to them that got me. As much as him smack talking Grisha was satisfying, the fact he was actually talking to Grisha is what rose concerns out of me.
@@alexvaughan1013 Not to mention, it did kind of feel like it was destiny for titan shifters. And since Eren has never said anything about seeing a future attack titan user's memories, that could easily be him fighting against a predetermined destiny and breaking the loop. Because up to that point, Attack Titan users seemed like they were doing the same thing Rebel against a specific norm Fight for the freedom you want Don't side with who you think is the enemy rather than whoever tells you is the enemy If you can't do it in 13 years, pass it down to someone else and Eren could've been the one who broke that. It could've easily been dismissed if Paths was like a Titan Shifter afterlife so that way Eren could still rain hellfire on Grisha but have it not affect what he was doing. As for why Grisha was doing everything and more? Probably a combination of desperation (his wife did die after all) and trying to go to an outcome that goes against the one he was going against. Sorry, I didn't mean to write a whole essay, but I think you get what I mean.
I feel so fucking low and depressed whenever I think about what Isayama had done with eren in the last chapter. I can't get it out of my head, I've been invested for too long. Why Isayama? your character had a clear path, that you created yourself. whether the character achived its goal or not, that's completly irrelevant. But why ruin it and change its core motives and goals in just one chapter, making it unattractive when it was already one of the best written characters out there! I don't understand, and probably never will..
love your content! Keep it up! Also do you ever have those episodes where you just have a mental breakdown asking yourself how Isayama could let AOT end like this?
Eren should've just kept going with the Rumbling. Instead, it became the Fumbling. Damn, I've always taken Eren to be a villain, and wanted hjm to go through with it. Hell, turn every Eldian into a Colossal titan to join the Rumbling. If its hypocritical, well the Rumbling was always a means to an end. Why not add fuel to the fire? In fact, I would have even accepted it if Eren never knew what freedom truly is, and if he's a slave to the idea of freedom. As long as he kept moving forward...
Pre Chapter 139 Eren : My Objective Is To Protect The People And Place I Was Born .... The Wall Titans Shall Trample All Earth Outside Of This Island Underfoot Until All Life Has Been Exterminated 🔥🔥 Post Chapter 139 Eren : Cawh Caaaaaww Lmaoooo...
@@leonardomatos6381 he knew theur freedom would mean stripping away other's. The endgame, when eren died and exposed is wtf plan was like super underwhelming
You don't uNdERstAnD the plot!! Eren being a slave all along is so deep, bravo Yams! Especially when in 139 he contradicts numerous other chapters including ones that shows his inner thoughts! His motivations all being reduced to 'Ymir's Plan' was totally satisfying... Eren Yeager never needed to be redeemed by the plot or made into a 'good guy' again. He committed horrific atrocities, but what made his character so great is we understood his perspective and how his choices were influenced by time and the world around him. Eren never enjoyed his actions. Yet deep down he knew that as the FT he was the only one with the power to act and fight for Paradis' survival.
Eren could've had the greatest villian orgin not just in anime history but in fiction history if just handle correctly the biggest crime out of all of it putting the whole random "I'm in love with mikasa" break down to the side. Was Eren saying he didn't know why he did what he did. Like what bro. So many ppl do not realize there has been radio silence on Erens prespective for years! Years! Its hard to even put into words how unsatisfying and just down right trifling for us to finally hear eren perspective and his true plan and for the nigga to say he don't know! Man Armin shouldn't punched him right fucking then not over mikasa dude how you done wiped out majority of life on the got damn planet cause I'm sure a lot of animals died in the rumbling as well as humans and then when you get asked why " I don't know why." Huh? Huh??? Man I'm going to sleep.
Pro-tip for writing characters who commit horrific atrocities. They should either be leading it with complete conviction in what they're doing e.g. Thanos, Griffith, even Zeke. Or, they should be clueless pawns forced into it e.g. Zuko, the Warrior Trio. 139 tried to turn Eren into both, and failed spectacularly.
@@testacals i think what he meant to say was that even though he had a good plan , but to execute it , he had to do a lot of dirty work like masaacaring scouts and ragako with full fledged awareness and knowledge and kinda accepted believing it was the only way .
@@tarunkandarpa1008 I mean I disagree with Zeke's euthanasia plan. But I still think he's a great character. I can't get behind a whole race of people having to give up making babies to 'save the world'.
That beginning speech of Eren’s used to be so good. Now it’s tarnished. Eren, along with Attack on Titan, was 👌🏽 close to being a masterpiece. It’s unbelievable. It was going to be remembered for decades to come. Well, it’ll still be remembered alright, but not for the right reasons.
@@milesyoungblood7173 you cant call that a masterpiece. there are many series without ending but still are considered masterpiece. moreover it had many plotholes and need to be explained
While I don't agree with a few unimportant points, your video is insanely good and well thought :) people are defending the ending saying it is good that Eren was a slave and that it was tragic, but it's fucking non-sense. Looking forward for more, because there are so many things to talk of... Well, good luck to summarize it all !
Didn't want to see a Full Rumbling/Eren winning ending (I'm pro-Alliance) , but I did think keeping his conviction intact and no retconning is definitely crucial. Even if Eren was killed his legacy and conviction would have still lived on if only he really did father Historia's child (potentially setting it up for a follow-up?) There was simply a lot of missed plot opportunities, it's just frustration all over the place.
Bro fuck the traitorous ass alliance. Those cringe losers were never going to find a way to save their homeland because they care about ppl who want them dead.
Eren's character has never been a great protagonist but let's admit that the reason we loved him was because we found something similar in us with him. We empathized him because he was a regular boy and yet he was brave, he never surrounded to his fate, he wanted to stand against injustice in the world, he rejected the system in which he lived,he was a dreamer and as a suffering boy he was angry with the life, he wanted to change his fate he didn't surrounded to injustices and that was the reason we loved him.Because we found something of us in him. And he was flawed, he complained about himself,he fell into depression but his friends got him out, encouraged him and followed him, considered him as a leader. He has always been a little psychopathic but we knew that it was his mental collapse due to his anger to the unjust world his lived. And all of a sudden when he turned into someone else we reader cut our bond with him and that's why we can't empathize him and understand him anymore. There are so many inconsistencies, irrationalities , holes about his character and mindset now. I think this has started by the end of Marley arc and in the whole final arc. We just couldn't find ourselves in him anymore. That's why we feel like his character is assassinated
Crazy how people think eren going from a man who literally drove his father to kill children just to get the founder for his plan to whatever tf he is in the last chapters is good writing
He was also not really angry in that scene he was just pretending to be angry in a dream world that no one can see because really he wanted to make he’s freinds the hero’s but actually he didn’t he wanted to kill everyone but also stop at 80% of everyone but actually he doesn’t know why he did any of that at all.
Isayama had no choice, he wanted a grim end but huge amount of fans wanted a happy ending thus getting him more confused as to how to end the story he made, a true curse for an author/artist as unable to finish the art they produced due to outside influence
Eren's plan before 139 is perfect,Paradis will be safe forever,the only thing that will destroy paradis is paradis itself when the population repopulate the outside world,historia is safe and his friends free,i never understand why the alliance wanted to stop Eren and still doesn't understand
Eren was not special, only his power was, in season 3 part 1 after Hannes death he passed a depression phase but keep moving forward after historia saved him, Mikasa saved his life yeah physically but Historia saved his soul Im sure peoples who are happy that eren failed and say "all of this is coherent with the character" and now praise him, are mostly proples who used to hate him before seasons 4 im sure so no we not just are chad eren fans we just eren fan cause he was a great character since the beginning with a great evolution
Isayama wanted his cake and eat it. We cant have Eren be murderer yet have a sweet whimsical moments with his friends. The alliance whole sale forgave him the moment he died. It was the highest dafaq moment of all time. 5 minutes beforehand. "We must kill this genocidal devil. Hes insane!" Five minutes later. Entire alliance in a nutshell. "Man, poor Eren what an awesome special guy." Everyone remember when Naruto called Obito the "Coolest guy ever?" Lol. Same shit, but worse.
The more I think about it the Attack titan's real power reveal was the first mortal wound to the story. It is said time after time that the Attack titan "fights for freedom", but if its users can see the future, it makes them and the Attack titan itself slaves of fate. It didn't necessarily have to be that way, but that's the way Isayama wrote it and it murdered his main character. For example when we see Eren interact with time itself that is just the game changer it needed. If the Attack titan can see the past and future and change them, now that's the freedom it precisely boasts about. But it didn't quite happen that way, did it. All that Eren did, from convincing his father to killing his own mother, he did it because he "had to", making him in fact, a slave of fate. He was never free.
I believe that the best plan morally and strategically is Kyomi's 50 years plan because sacrificing Historia and her children is better than killing countless innocents, but as for the story consistency I believe that AnR Full Rumbling ending is the best one out there, Isayama stated he decided to change it to avoid a traumatic conclusion really pathetic, he changed the ending in the last minute without any sort of build up or preparation retconning the entire storyline and compromising the story consistency, only idiot writer would compromise the consistency of its story because it's cruel or because he wanted to deliver fan fantasies that make zero sense.
@@testacals Zeke's a traitor for Eldia his plans rob Eldia from its freedom, he's a pathetic man and character who didn't care about the death of his aunt nor cared about his parents, nor his people.
@@yousefsaber1 Dude, He came up with the most ethical plan. Unlike eren he was willing to go through so much suffering to do the ethical action. He is a selfless man.
@@testacals zekes plan leaves paradis fully open to attack within a generation with no guarantee the world will suddenly change there views on eldians once they lose titan shifting ability
Eren Yeager (with the Y) was the one who wanted freedom and destroy all the Titans, but Eren Jaeger (with the J) is the one who's seen the bits and pieces of the future and went on with the Rumbling for that freedom
The assessination of Eren Jaeger was one of the worst 10 anime betrayals of anime history. Even Levi killing Eren as he promised and vow will have it more sense....
If you told the ending defenders that eren was just an idiot with no clue of what he was doing or even in control of it before the final chapter/episode they'd probably laugh in your face
This whole show is so pointless after the ending that ruined everything. I hate how he blamed Bertholdt for his mother’s death but it was indirectly Eren’s fault the whole time. The man who goes on about freedom shuts down and gives up as soon as he sees his future. Doesn’t tell anyone at ALL. I’m sure more people would’ve been on his side slightly if he just SPOKE. This whole show could’ve been prevented if Marley spoke instead of immediately trying to kill the people of Paradis. The cringevengers are even worse. They sacrificed Paradis for what? Why were they fighting all these years just to betray the man trying to protect them? Thanks to them…Paradis has now been completely annihilated. Armin and the rest of them are hypocrites who have killed so many people. Even Reiner killed millions along with Bertholdt and Annie but they get a pass because Eren’s justified reasons to protect his WHOLE ENTIRE RACE was so wrong…
It's so cringe that the first characters introduced have to be forced onto a ship.. Mikasa was definitely better as an adopted sister, and Eren as her older protective brother, he should have stopped caring about her and focused more on hisu
I really don’t think that a total destruction of the world except Paradis would have been a better (and DEFINITELY not preferred) ending. Seems like a logical ending, given how Eren suffered and was driven by revenge, but it’s NOT how a complex character (which we would be happy to relate with) would have ended his story. I really struggled to watch the rumbling. I felt so disappointed with Eren’s ultimate decision, and would have been probably disgusted if Isayama wrote down that “Eren destroys all of the world, removes Titans with the power of the Progenitor, and then dies: THE END”. Fuck no. I would have loved if Eren thought more strategically towards his plans with the world at some point after meeting Ymir. We know he’s capable of empathy and regrets, and we know that a VICTIM of genocide, even if driven by revenge, would probably never commit a genocide by himself. Eren was already knowledgeable of the fact not all people should have suffered the way he did… “I am sorry!”. This ending was ok. Disappointing, but ok.
AoT had the potential becoming our Era's End of Evangelion instead we got a knock of GoT season 8...I'm not angry I'm just really sad that a series with a lot of potential was butchered to this and I'm sad that Isayama did Eren so dirty. Well at least we can meme the hell out of AoT's shitty ending I guess, better then nothing.
10:47 you legit was the person who caused of all this. Eren pulled an aizen legiy, everything was caused by hus actions in the future. The story doesnt even feel good to rewatch because all tho high stakes was arent there anymore since everyone who dies was all because of his time travel paths bs.
As soon as I heard Grisha say that the Attack Titan can see the future the series just went from a 10 to a 4 for me. Fate should never be brought into a series.
Eren could have saved all his friends by going with the 50 year plan. historia was even willing to do it why trample all over her decision and disrespect her resolve for no reason? you telling me historia living more than 13 years is worth more than Sasha, Hange, all the yaegerists that died AND 80% of the world?
Found this link on r/Yeagerbro on reddit and it feels good to know someone is thinking the same way than you. Your video is a banger, gonna sub. Thanks for your video🙏🏿💜
I wonder if Eren doing the full Rumbling was the original plan but his editor didn't agree with it so it had to be changed. Would suck if that was the case.
Lelouche basically has the same idea as Itachi and Sasuke (and Pain) in naruto Shippuden of concentrating hate towards themselves to unite the world. Also similar to Ozymandias' plan in the movie Watchmen. All of the aforementioned characters did great justice to the plan (Sasuke was stopped by Naruto but that was still great writing). Eren just did a nonsensical 180 that made things worse for the people he loved :/
remember when the majority of minds out there were short-sightedly fully *defending* this now failed Anime [Flower's] stupid ending?.... [grimly chuckled]
Yeah thats what happens when Code Geass isnt a shonen but AOT sadly is. Lelouch was fully devoted to his cause unlike Eren who didnt even know why he was doing everything
A section of an interview has leaked, stating that Isa "deeply regrets" the way he handled ending.
Expect a rage video towards the "you don't understand the story" drones very soon.
The Eren and Historia video is next.
Just found your channel and I’m having a blast watching your vids. Keep up the great work.
I’m excited to see that Eren and Historia video
In case anyone wants to read a translation of the leaked section of the interview
www.reddit.com/r/yeagerbomb/comments/n1w9lk/isayamas_interview_leaked_by_zekkenroughly/
Oh shit, go crazy on them. It shows they never understood the story when the own wiriter admits its bad
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"I refuse to die like this, I'll drag them all out. Kill them with my bare hand" eren character literally gives me chills. Isayama need to give us the original ending in a book or maybe a movie
"EreN ChaNGeD"
Its just sad what happened to Eren just tragic & not in a beautiful story telling kinda way but a shitty trifling kinda way. We haven't heard Erens prepective in years & to have Armin ask him why he wiped out 80% of humanity and for Eren to say he didn't know was true pain like damn.
don't you worry, evangelion had like 5 endings at this point so the chance of the ending in the anime being different is very high
@@franconius85 My favourite EVA ending is the one where Shinji-kun does everything Eren fails to do. Kill the whole world. Get the girl you wanked over. Does that say more about me than the characters involved??
@@alexvaughan1013 I mean you are not wrong!
It hurts so much. I'll never forget the real Eren...the one that keeps moving forward
Also never forget Eren Jaeger that love his mom very much and would never hurt her.
The chad eren.
@@Aswar211 eren was never chad, he was just scrawny
bro why the fuck would he kills his friends? did u forget that? he always has two motivations. wanting to destroy the world and obtain freedom but also protect his friends. He got most of the first part, but he couldn't truly complete the rumbling without killing his friends and despite how brutal Eren is to his enemies he also loves his friends. go back to the train scene with Eren and his friends. He means every word in that scene.
@@shahwarbasith2295 im sure sasha agrees lmao
Isayama became a slave to fan service.
He's become a slave to 14 year old Twitter shippers and his Publisher...he was never "free"...
It's the terrible fate to a writer that bends to the whimes to his fans and worse, his editors!
He forgot that there are adults reads his works not only teenagers
Who wanned this, who actualy wanted this ending?
@@zhuoyifan5324 i guess people who couldn't handle a gorey, depressing ending and stupid levi stans
I love Eren, so I’ll just wait for the fan ending, and call that canonical.
So hyped for the fan ending ! After all, whatever they pull out, it will never be worse than the last three chapters
Same
Let's be frank.
Fanon is never going to be canon.
The author decides, not you.
@@nuclearwarhead9338 well the author didn't give a damn to give Eren a proper cohesive conclusion
@@user-ug2to5bo1q define this "cohesive conclusion" you were refering to.
What did you expect from Eren actually?
What matters more? His feelings or yours?
What angers me about the ending is that Eren cared about freedom more than anything, he even said to hannes these walls makes him feel like a 'caged bird'. However, now suddenly he now about mikasa finding another man but not freedom?. What was the point in the sea scene for him to say 'will we be free then' if he never fought for freedom but pulled a lelouch and knows he will never reach it🤦♀️this just hurts how yams massacred his character
exactly
em shippers never agree on this🙃
eren charater was never like this
U dont read the manga, it's not possible... eren cared about freedom and also cared about his friends, he did switched his freedom for his friends in some other ocasions, and about mikasa's, he set geral free, told her to forget him, he said what she needed to move on, but for armin, he could be selfish
Cared than freedom than anything? Say that to Eren laughing at himself because thinking he is useless when Sasha died.
@ey eren didnt kill his mother, he just mede dina not eating betthold, and then, result in his mother's death, time is linear in snk, there is only one rout, so it was inevitable, so your argument is just non validated
Eren was 1 chapter away from becoming the greatest main character of all time by far but what did isayama do make eren a plot device and also retconn his amazing character I’m still pissed I’ll never ever get over it .
it's truly ridiculous... it's like da vinci deciding on the last day to finish the mona lisa with crayons...
I think it was going bad for Eren from the last few chapters.
He was never the greatest main character, there are plenty of protagonists which are better.
@@genghiskhan7691 while i agree i kinda disagree. He was already in tier of guts,musashi,thorfinn,etc for me. While i think someone like guts was better than him, i liked eren more. And the ending had the opportunity to be what code geass's ending was to lelouch. Taking an already amazing character and transcending him beyond. Which thanks to yams we saw how it went down.
@@Aswar211 Well then he was the last in that tier. Imo Guts, Musashi, Thorfinn, Tenma were all better written. Eren was on the same level as Lelouch and Light but the ending ruined his character.
LOOK AT HOW THEY MASSACRED MY BOY😔, One Of The Greatest MC’s of all time ruined in one chapter
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A lot of people theorized that eren is going to be a villain. A LOT of people. Not a sympathetic one mind you, but a full blown psychotic, selfish villain. There are many scenes in the manga that supports this theory as well.
@@immentallyhandicapped2903 Well, he was justified BEFORE chapter 139. He was doing it for Paradis to be at peace, because even after all the negotiations with Marley, they would never refuse to let Paradis at peace. Eren was killing all of Marley so that he could end the war and the cycle of hatred for Paradis's sake, but now, we learned that he did all that because he wanted his friends to live which lead to the destruction of Paradis. He didn't care about those who were not important to him, and in the end, everyone died because he didn't destroy Marley. This is genuinely the worst character destruction I've ever seen
@@immentallyhandicapped2903 yes people don't complain about him becoming a villian because villianes also have mentalities, goals, like Thanos. Even though you don't like them you respect their power and determination. But final chapter Eren just went like "I'm GoNnA KiLl MilLiOnS sO My fRieNdS CouLd bE HeRoEs" crap. I mean not you making your friends heroes when you wipe our 80 % of humanity what's the point of that? If you see the future then you have a chance to change it. Then you have a chance to kill less. And besides he saw yaegerists in the future too and yet let them get killed by his friends so Eren the guy who wanted to give Eldians a place in the world killed Eldians himself. From wherever you look at it, the ending makes no sense. The whole final arc Eren slowly lost his character chapter by chapter. We all knew Eren was gonna become villian and move by his own but this one makes zero sense. It's forced and cringe. Let's admit guys Isayama terribly sucked. The set up plots but never completed any of them rationally let alone epic.
Eren's character is a jumbled Mess
- Wanting Mikasa to be free but also wanting her to never forget him and can't see her with another man
-Wanting Eldia to be Jeagirists with a mindset to kill everyone outside but also wanting they would listen to Armin and others who are mass murderers and killed tons of Yeagirists
-Wanted to do the rumbling for his friends , Paradis island and Armin's book but also doesn't know why he did the rumbling
- Wanting to exterminate everyone outside the walls but also 80% is enough
- Wanted his friends to live long lives but also admitting that he didn't know if his friends will make it or not , if anything 100% rumbling should have guaranteed his friends' safety more than anything
Also was this eren's doing or is he just Ymir's errand boy ( indicated by the founder eye panel)
Mikasa even took the protagonist title from him because at the end everything was revolving around Mikasa
The tragedy of Ellen Beggar
Who wrote this, Boris fucking Johnson??
Lest we forget, he sacrificed his mom for his master plan, but couldn't sacrifice the remaining 20%!!
@@alexvaughan1013 Eren is a not the brightest character, at best he was good at following orders, at worst he's a vengeful impulsive monster.
Of course his plan falls apart at the end and Armin has to fix his mess, Eren coming up with a coherent plan at the very end would be out of character.
@@noxturn8620 Has future vision. Still manages to fuck up his 'master plan'. Sounds all too much like Eren...or me when I was 17!
@@alexvaughan1013 yeah his future vision is also limited, he has no idea what happens after he dies.
The biggest problem of the ending is Ymir.
She's the plot resolver and somehow became a main character who needed her issues resolved (even tho we didn't know she had any issues needing resolution to begin with? I think that flashback chapter and Eren telling her that she was free was enough).
Ymir's backstory was weak. You could've done so much more with how the power of the titans came to be.
I’m surprised no one ever mentions eren’s conversation with pixis in episode 11 of season 1. He literally calls his own plan of uniting against a common enemy to create peace “naive”.
THANK YOU! It feels like I’m the only one calling that out.
@@sonwalrez2842I think saintichief did it at some point, but I don't know if it's the same because I remember it's Armin coming up with a plan to trick people into believing the police salved them from the government something like that
I think the most insulting part about all of this is the part of the fandom that insist that his character wasn’t assassinated. Some insist he was always like this and has always been a bad character or saying his goals were achieved when neither is the case. I really hope the anime tries in original ending to try to save this character that I held so dear before chapter 139
Eren was the first mc to notably shift he’s views about the titans. When they leave the walls he says there not enemy’s there our people. Eren is empathetic and cares about people deeply throughout s1-s3 the fact he’s justified killings are used as a way to say he was always destined to be a murderous psychopath is such a slap in the face. To use those moments of basically survival as justification for the retcon eren is just idiocy, it’s a different character. He showed just as much empathy and care for human life as armin. He’s fits of rage we’re literally in response to being threatened with death everyday not some foreshadowing of a villian, it’s so fucking stupid. S1 - S3 erens goals would’ve been to preserve as much human life as possible as he’s never okay with people being killed and gets over he’s lifelong hate for titans the moment he figures out there innocent, doesn’t sound like the type of guy who would be so indifferent to genocide.
Bruh your video is gold,eren literally would've gone down as probably the greatest anime MC,a hero turned villian because of how he was robbed off his freedom, he'd be a good example of how to write a villian everyone can relate with and him finishing the rumbling will match the theme of the story" Not passing hatred or things to future generations" given the fact that it was the hatred in to his race that created a monster like him and caused the downfall of the world,that would've been a good closure to his character and the story if Isayama hadn't given in to shippers and fanservice, damn he ruined the story TBH
it would have led to a lot of interesting debate and interpretation... was eren justified? is he truly evil? is it enough to care only for your friends and the future of your people? is eren a monster or was armin just naive? can a person like armin even survive without someone like eren to protect him? does a person like eren fundamentally need a person like armin to avoid losing all hope and drifting into nihilism? how far can you push and oppress someone until they become a monster? does aot accurately describe the true nature of politics?
all of these questions go moot when you reveal that everything that happened in the story was orchestrated by an omniscient being off-camera and that the reader can't actually trust their perception of anything that happened.
aot rly had the potential to be one of the greatest stories of our generation and i'm still cheesed that in the end it's just a wasted opportunity..
eren can never be the greatest character or protagonist
IDK HOW COME ISAYAMA SPARED SO MANY CHARACTERS, THE OLD ISAYAMA WOULDVE KILLED OFF SO MANY MORE CHARACTERS, BUT NOW IT WAS LIKE THEY ALL FCKIN ALIVE... ANNIE, REINER, PIECK, I WANTED THEM DEAD, ATLEAST 2/3 PLUS MANY OTHER MARLEYANS AND PPL FROM PARADIS
No its not like he only care about his friends he would have killed 100 percent of population if his friends didn't stop him he couldn't able to killed his friends and he let him to killed him
I had no expectations for the ending of AOT and was still blindsided by this. The tonal whiplash and truly terrible writing in the last chapter killed any love I had for this series.
Sad thing I feel that way too I invested so much into this series but like many great shows it's always hard to end a series with such a great story in a short amount of time it should have been fleshed out just a little bit more for a year more.
Same. I can't even watch s1-s3 when I know he's gonna be a clown and mother killer one day. Already decided to drop s4 part 2. AoT no Requiem about to be my real ending soon
@@luxeternity The moment that truly killed this series for me was Ymir loving King Fritz. That's just distasteful. This man had been portrayed as the worst humanity had and making ymir be lovesick to someone who mutilated her, killed her parents, made her a slave, raped her and had her hunted down like a wild animal was just gross. It didn't give such a heavy subject the narrative weight it deserved, instead slapping a rosy filter over it.
@@SnuSnuDungeon same. At the end of the day I just lumped those who like this ending as rape, abuse, slavery, pedophile apologist. I don't have time to debate more about it
this is not just embarrassing or disappointing, this is insulting. Eren could've been one of the greatest anime/manga characters of all time if Isayama didn't gave us this half asked conclusion.
Facts
Shit's sad tbh
Not only they ruined eren,bur also many other characters,armin,zeke etc
seeing the title hurts me so much a few months ago I would have never thought we would be seeing these types of videos on Eren character I hate how we are supposed to believe his development was a facade and the worst part is that Eren has always been my favorite character even since ep 1 yet whenever I say he is ruined people tell me you didn’t understand his character like wtf or that I only liked him because I thought he was a chad like if I knew he was just going to be a plot device In the end I would have dropped this shit long ago like Eren was literally used by Ymir just so she could see her fetish play out like wtf bruh he literally was just a slave of a slave and he didn’t achieve or do anything other than removing Titans which is more harmful than it is helpful for Paradis since they now have no form of protection
well said bro
@xidyep it hurts that Eren is now a big ass meme
Yeah it's pretty sad
Eren: “No one would want to read this series if they knew what the ending would do to them.”
I think the message of the series is that people should use protection and highly consider getting an abortion if they don't think they are fit to be a parent, since their child might grow up to be an Eren.
Funny. Eren was pretty much against abortion rejecting Zeke's plans before all this 139 bullshit happened
My take is that the message is, "give up on your dreams and die". Eren literally did that in the ending. Not to mention that most characters who fight for their dream seem to meet horrible fates e.g. Grisha, Erwin, Mikasa, Ramzi. Everything you worked for will be meaningless, and your whole family will die horrible deaths.
Meanwhile, oppressors like the Marley Warriors get to have happy end. Considering Isayama succeeded in a market of people fighting for their dream to produce manga, this 'message' is incredibly hypocritical.
@Kashish Ahmed Who? There are so many to pick from.
@@alexvaughan1013 Also the message was "Yup genocide works". In the anime, it is shown to keep the pecae for like 300+ years
Another day, Another banger.
Look how they massacred my boy.
One of my fav UA-camrs right now
Over the past month i've given up and lost emotional investment in the series, but your video reminded me of what AOT used to be. God, those endless sacrifaces, existential horror and despair, but constant moving forward because of our nature as a species. We are all born with the desire for freedom and unavoidably have to face with reality full of hatred and opression. That was the core of Eren's character. It was all about real, horrifing and unsolvable questions about human's existence and the scales of one individual with their loved ones to the whole world. It's so painful to think of what AOT might have been. I honestly can't understand how such massive amount of people liked and accepted the ending. It's only possible if the majority of fanbase read AOT as 'haha cool pictures go brrr mikasa ass nice'. How many dead brain cells should you have for whooooshing all the themes developed through 123 fucking chapters full of dialoges and character's constant reflections. I am so disappointed.
Bro im literally crying to ur vid ... you captured perfectly what made this ending so bad.. It makes me furious how ppl can only bring the argument that we are "mad bc our Eren & Historia ship never sailed".. personally,.. i never cared about ships and its really ironic how those exact ppl within the community who are solely in for the ships completely miss the point and say that ending is even remotely bearable... THANKS FOR THIS VID MAN,... ITS APPRECIATED.
It's like Yams saw all the "Mordecai's a simp" memes and thought, "A bird and a simp? GENIUS! I should do that!"
Man your channel is growing very fast, You 100% deserve it
Thank u the writer himself admitted he fucked up the ending however I’ll never forgive him , there is no excuses for what he did ruined the whole series
You're funny dude.
@@nuclearwarhead9338 like your mom
Eren Jaeger was a wild ride. He had one of the biggest potentials I ever witnessed in character development and an even more disappointing conclusion. To the boy who sought freedom: You deserved better. Like, so much better.
Sonny Corleone getting massacred was a gentle massage compared to the way Isayama massacred Eren's character.
I just can’t get why the warriors are the ones with happy ass endings and the main characters who have suffered the most get tragic and bittersweet endings. Aot will forever be a top 500 anime though 👍🏽
More like top 10 most forgettable animes
That was the point. The goal was to try to make us hate Eren.
For me, it didn't work. That guy in 138-139 isn't Eren. He's a retconned fake, manipulated by a sell out mangaka trying to grand stand.
No he's a dude who had an insane outburst of emotion after suppressing virtually all emotion for the span of 4 years. Keep in mind 138 and 139 he is approaching his death and knows he will have to die as he is unwilling to kill his own friends.
@@shahwarbasith2295 Eren came close to dying multiple times in the show, and not once did he think about Mikasa in these moments. even Isayama stated in an interview in the past that Eren saw Mikasa as a mother figure. your argument is incorrect.
I was never going to hate Eren regardless
@@shahwarbasith2295 You're defending garbage writing
@zined128 This right here. Ppl forget.
I refuse to accept that 100% rumbling was his fake plan, it was his real plan until Isayama told him to make the ending as trash as possible. So eren changed his plan to make the ending trash
AGREE
eren and armin were some of the most inspirational characters i've seen in fiction in so many years, and isayama just trolled me in the end. i'm glad i never spent money on aot but i can't get that time back.
Bro you summarized what this story was about so perfectly
The story felt like it was gonna tank the moment time manipulation was introduced in some capacity.
Fr. It should've just been used for 120 - 122 and then left alone
I was once a dumbass speedreader, and I completely missed Kruger talking about time manipulation on my first read.
@@alexvaughan1013 Future memories were fine
But it was Eren _going back in time_ to talk to them that got me.
As much as him smack talking Grisha was satisfying, the fact he was actually talking to Grisha is what rose concerns out of me.
@@saltystick_99 Exactly. You can't have the power to manipulate the past AND claim you're a 'slave to destiny'!
@@alexvaughan1013 Not to mention, it did kind of feel like it was destiny for titan shifters. And since Eren has never said anything about seeing a future attack titan user's memories, that could easily be him fighting against a predetermined destiny and breaking the loop. Because up to that point, Attack Titan users seemed like they were doing the same thing
Rebel against a specific norm
Fight for the freedom you want
Don't side with who you think is the enemy rather than whoever tells you is the enemy
If you can't do it in 13 years, pass it down to someone else
and Eren could've been the one who broke that.
It could've easily been dismissed if Paths was like a Titan Shifter afterlife so that way Eren could still rain hellfire on Grisha but have it not affect what he was doing.
As for why Grisha was doing everything and more? Probably a combination of desperation (his wife did die after all) and trying to go to an outcome that goes against the one he was going against.
Sorry, I didn't mean to write a whole essay, but I think you get what I mean.
I feel so fucking low and depressed whenever I think about what Isayama had done with eren in the last chapter. I can't get it out of my head, I've been invested for too long.
Why Isayama? your character had a clear path, that you created yourself. whether the character achived its goal or not, that's completly irrelevant. But why ruin it and change its core motives and goals in just one chapter, making it unattractive when it was already one of the best written characters out there!
I don't understand, and probably never will..
I hope the anime has a unique ending
The last sentence was gold lmao
"... When in reality the world would have been a better off place if he had never been born in the first place", damn that line of yours really hit me
Thanos' plan was fucking dumb, but because he has complete conviction until the very end, you can enjoy Thanos. Compare that to 139 Eren.
love your content! Keep it up!
Also do you ever have those episodes where you just have a mental breakdown asking yourself how Isayama could let AOT end like this?
every day
@@saintitchief I feel u on that one bro
Imagine having mental breakdown from a work of fiction.
Eren should've just kept going with the Rumbling. Instead, it became the Fumbling. Damn, I've always taken Eren to be a villain, and wanted hjm to go through with it. Hell, turn every Eldian into a Colossal titan to join the Rumbling. If its hypocritical, well the Rumbling was always a means to an end. Why not add fuel to the fire? In fact, I would have even accepted it if Eren never knew what freedom truly is, and if he's a slave to the idea of freedom. As long as he kept moving forward...
Pre Chapter 139 Eren : My Objective Is To Protect The People And Place I Was Born .... The Wall Titans Shall Trample All Earth Outside Of This Island Underfoot Until All Life Has Been Exterminated 🔥🔥
Post Chapter 139 Eren : Cawh Caaaaaww
Lmaoooo...
His priorities was always about freedom and protect his friends, more especifically mikasa and armin
@@leonardomatos6381 he knew theur freedom would mean stripping away other's. The endgame, when eren died and exposed is wtf plan was like super underwhelming
@@leonardomatos6381 Friends weren't a primary concern. You can't have both
14:05... so... Zeke was right all along?
Considering 80% of the world got destroyed and then they got destroyed yeah probably
look how they massacred my boy.
isayama made eren walk the path of greatness and led him to circus and made eren a clown.
10 years and nothing
Okay that transition at 2:30 was badass🔥
Mystery, Racism, War, Hatred. Every thing was great and AOT was going to become one of best anime ever made. Until Retcon attacked.
You don't uNdERstAnD the plot!!
Eren being a slave all along is so deep, bravo Yams! Especially when in 139 he contradicts numerous other chapters including ones that shows his inner thoughts! His motivations all being reduced to 'Ymir's Plan' was totally satisfying...
Eren Yeager never needed to be redeemed by the plot or made into a 'good guy' again. He committed horrific atrocities, but what made his character so great is we understood his perspective and how his choices were influenced by time and the world around him. Eren never enjoyed his actions. Yet deep down he knew that as the FT he was the only one with the power to act and fight for Paradis' survival.
Dunno if you're being sarcastic.
@@ub-minosfireborn5722 i unironicly agree, even if he is
Loving your vids more and more, keep up the good work
How did this story went from WW1 spirit to Isekai hentai fan fiction
HAHAHA
Eren could've had the greatest villian orgin not just in anime history but in fiction history if just handle correctly the biggest crime out of all of it putting the whole random "I'm in love with mikasa" break down to the side. Was Eren saying he didn't know why he did what he did. Like what bro. So many ppl do not realize there has been radio silence on Erens prespective for years! Years! Its hard to even put into words how unsatisfying and just down right trifling for us to finally hear eren perspective and his true plan and for the nigga to say he don't know! Man Armin shouldn't punched him right fucking then not over mikasa dude how you done wiped out majority of life on the got damn planet cause I'm sure a lot of animals died in the rumbling as well as humans and then when you get asked why " I don't know why." Huh? Huh??? Man I'm going to sleep.
Honestly, with the lack of Eren POV, I kind of forgot that Eren even existed.
Pro-tip for writing characters who commit horrific atrocities. They should either be leading it with complete conviction in what they're doing e.g. Thanos, Griffith, even Zeke. Or, they should be clueless pawns forced into it e.g. Zuko, the Warrior Trio. 139 tried to turn Eren into both, and failed spectacularly.
How the hell is anything zeke did was bad ? he had the most ethical plan.
@@testacals i think what he meant to say was that even though he had a good plan , but to execute it , he had to do a lot of dirty work like masaacaring scouts and ragako with full fledged awareness and knowledge and kinda accepted believing it was the only way .
@@tarunkandarpa1008 I mean, which party didn't do bad stuff. Everyone had to do dirty work to get to their goals.
@@tarunkandarpa1008 I mean I disagree with Zeke's euthanasia plan. But I still think he's a great character. I can't get behind a whole race of people having to give up making babies to 'save the world'.
@testacals No, he didn't. His plan wasn't stopping Paradis from getting wiped out.
THE LAST SENTENCE LFMAOAOOO
It hits hard because it’s true.
I’m just depressed what they did to my boy. He’s still my favorite but he got played back
they massacred my boy
As a eren stans, I cried.
That beginning speech of Eren’s used to be so good. Now it’s tarnished. Eren, along with Attack on Titan, was 👌🏽 close to being a masterpiece. It’s unbelievable. It was going to be remembered for decades to come. Well, it’ll still be remembered alright, but not for the right reasons.
no it was no where close to a masterpiece
@@giornogiovanno8675 how so?
Eren>aot
@@milesyoungblood7173 you cant call that a masterpiece. there are many series without ending but still are considered masterpiece. moreover it had many plotholes and need to be explained
for 10 years at least
I hope they fix this in the anime. Ultimately, Armin's plan is the best plan. But Eren not listening to him makes sense for his character.
While I don't agree with a few unimportant points, your video is insanely good and well thought :) people are defending the ending saying it is good that Eren was a slave and that it was tragic, but it's fucking non-sense. Looking forward for more, because there are so many things to talk of... Well, good luck to summarize it all !
Great video. Hopefully armin sucks video also coming
Didn't want to see a Full Rumbling/Eren winning ending (I'm pro-Alliance) , but I did think keeping his conviction intact and no retconning is definitely crucial.
Even if Eren was killed his legacy and conviction would have still lived on if only he really did father Historia's child (potentially setting it up for a follow-up?)
There was simply a lot of missed plot opportunities, it's just frustration all over the place.
Bro fuck the traitorous ass alliance. Those cringe losers were never going to find a way to save their homeland because they care about ppl who want them dead.
Eren's character has never been a great protagonist but let's admit that the reason we loved him was because we found something similar in us with him. We empathized him because he was a regular boy and yet he was brave, he never surrounded to his fate, he wanted to stand against injustice in the world, he rejected the system in which he lived,he was a dreamer and as a suffering boy he was angry with the life, he wanted to change his fate he didn't surrounded to injustices and that was the reason we loved him.Because we found something of us in him. And he was flawed, he complained about himself,he fell into depression but his friends got him out, encouraged him and followed him, considered him as a leader. He has always been a little psychopathic but we knew that it was his mental collapse due to his anger to the unjust world his lived. And all of a sudden when he turned into someone else we reader cut our bond with him and that's why we can't empathize him and understand him anymore. There are so many inconsistencies, irrationalities , holes about his character and mindset now. I think this has started by the end of Marley arc and in the whole final arc. We just couldn't find ourselves in him anymore. That's why we feel like his character is assassinated
Crazy how people think eren going from a man who literally drove his father to kill children just to get the founder for his plan to whatever tf he is in the last chapters is good writing
He was also not really angry in that scene he was just pretending to be angry in a dream world that no one can see because really he wanted to make he’s freinds the hero’s but actually he didn’t he wanted to kill everyone but also stop at 80% of everyone but actually he doesn’t know why he did any of that at all.
Isayama had no choice, he wanted a grim end but huge amount of fans wanted a happy ending thus getting him more confused as to how to end the story he made, a true curse for an author/artist as unable to finish the art they produced due to outside influence
Eren's plan before 139 is perfect,Paradis will be safe forever,the only thing that will destroy paradis is paradis itself when the population repopulate the outside world,historia is safe and his friends free,i never understand why the alliance wanted to stop Eren and still doesn't understand
Your pfp 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Because they weren't fascists???
I just don't understand how a single island could be worth more than the entire world.
@@johnderrick9792 wdm? The whole outside world wanted to kill them, should they lay down and die? How is that fascist?
@@johnderrick9792 How they hell wanting your people to be free fascist ?
Eren be like:
From: i will kill all the titans in this world
To: no im sad because mikasa will forget me😭😭
I feel bad for eren stans
I want to kill myself and am in a semi-state of depression since this last chapter dropped
I can’t believe that this actually happened
@@whymahe8382 do it, make sure you do it on live stream.
@@nuclearwarhead9338 You know you're being ridiculous, right ?
@@nuclearwarhead9338 you actual clown you know just a low life
isayama please can't you see this? how beautiful it could be? how everything could have ended
Eren was not special, only his power was, in season 3 part 1 after Hannes death he passed a depression phase but keep moving forward after historia saved him, Mikasa saved his life yeah physically but Historia saved his soul
Im sure peoples who are happy that eren failed and say "all of this is coherent with the character" and now praise him, are mostly proples who used to hate him before seasons 4 im sure so no we not just are chad eren fans we just eren fan cause he was a great character since the beginning with a great evolution
Isayama wanted his cake and eat it. We cant have Eren be murderer yet have a sweet whimsical moments with his friends. The alliance whole sale forgave him the moment he died. It was the highest dafaq moment of all time. 5 minutes beforehand.
"We must kill this genocidal devil. Hes insane!"
Five minutes later. Entire alliance in a nutshell.
"Man, poor Eren what an awesome special guy."
Everyone remember when Naruto called Obito the "Coolest guy ever?" Lol. Same shit, but worse.
The more I think about it the Attack titan's real power reveal was the first mortal wound to the story. It is said time after time that the Attack titan "fights for freedom", but if its users can see the future, it makes them and the Attack titan itself slaves of fate.
It didn't necessarily have to be that way, but that's the way Isayama wrote it and it murdered his main character. For example when we see Eren interact with time itself that is just the game changer it needed. If the Attack titan can see the past and future and change them, now that's the freedom it precisely boasts about. But it didn't quite happen that way, did it. All that Eren did, from convincing his father to killing his own mother, he did it because he "had to", making him in fact, a slave of fate. He was never free.
I believe that the best plan morally and strategically is Kyomi's 50 years plan because sacrificing Historia and her children is better than killing countless innocents, but as for the story consistency I believe that AnR Full Rumbling ending is the best one out there, Isayama stated he decided to change it to avoid a traumatic conclusion really pathetic, he changed the ending in the last minute without any sort of build up or preparation retconning the entire storyline and compromising the story consistency, only idiot writer would compromise the consistency of its story because it's cruel or because he wanted to deliver fan fantasies that make zero sense.
I think the moral one would have been zeke's plan.
@@testacals Zeke's a traitor for Eldia his plans rob Eldia from its freedom, he's a pathetic man and character who didn't care about the death of his aunt nor cared about his parents, nor his people.
@@yousefsaber1 Dude, He came up with the most ethical plan. Unlike eren he was willing to go through so much suffering to do the ethical action. He is a selfless man.
@@testacals zekes plan leaves paradis fully open to attack within a generation with no guarantee the world will suddenly change there views on eldians once they lose titan shifting ability
@@1hxbeats605 They aren't gonna lose titan shifting abilities iirc. He only talked about removing reproduction capabilities.
Eren Yeager (with the Y) was the one who wanted freedom and destroy all the Titans, but Eren Jaeger (with the J) is the one who's seen the bits and pieces of the future and went on with the Rumbling for that freedom
The assessination of Eren Jaeger was one of the worst 10 anime betrayals of anime history. Even Levi killing Eren as he promised and vow will have it more sense....
Idk why I keep watching these when I haven't even read the manga lol
If you told the ending defenders that eren was just an idiot with no clue of what he was doing or even in control of it before the final chapter/episode they'd probably laugh in your face
2:30 Was not prepared for this level of sheer awesomeness
Isayama writing the ending be like 6:20
This whole show is so pointless after the ending that ruined everything. I hate how he blamed Bertholdt for his mother’s death but it was indirectly Eren’s fault the whole time. The man who goes on about freedom shuts down and gives up as soon as he sees his future. Doesn’t tell anyone at ALL. I’m sure more people would’ve been on his side slightly if he just SPOKE. This whole show could’ve been prevented if Marley spoke instead of immediately trying to kill the people of Paradis.
The cringevengers are even worse. They sacrificed Paradis for what? Why were they fighting all these years just to betray the man trying to protect them? Thanks to them…Paradis has now been completely annihilated. Armin and the rest of them are hypocrites who have killed so many people. Even Reiner killed millions along with Bertholdt and Annie but they get a pass because Eren’s justified reasons to protect his WHOLE ENTIRE RACE was so wrong…
It's so cringe that the first characters introduced have to be forced onto a ship.. Mikasa was definitely better as an adopted sister, and Eren as her older protective brother, he should have stopped caring about her and focused more on hisu
I really don’t think that a total destruction of the world except Paradis would have been a better (and DEFINITELY not preferred) ending.
Seems like a logical ending, given how Eren suffered and was driven by revenge, but it’s NOT how a complex character (which we would be happy to relate with) would have ended his story.
I really struggled to watch the rumbling. I felt so disappointed with Eren’s ultimate decision, and would have been probably disgusted if Isayama wrote down that “Eren destroys all of the world, removes Titans with the power of the Progenitor, and then dies: THE END”.
Fuck no.
I would have loved if Eren thought more strategically towards his plans with the world at some point after meeting Ymir. We know he’s capable of empathy and regrets, and we know that a VICTIM of genocide, even if driven by revenge, would probably never commit a genocide by himself.
Eren was already knowledgeable of the fact not all people should have suffered the way he did… “I am sorry!”.
This ending was ok. Disappointing, but ok.
This whole anime franchise and manga just went down the drain...
AoT had the potential becoming our Era's End of Evangelion instead we got a knock of GoT season 8...I'm not angry I'm just really sad that a series with a lot of potential was butchered to this and I'm sad that Isayama did Eren so dirty. Well at least we can meme the hell out of AoT's shitty ending I guess, better then nothing.
10:47 you legit was the person who caused of all this. Eren pulled an aizen legiy, everything was caused by hus actions in the future. The story doesnt even feel good to rewatch because all tho high stakes was arent there anymore since everyone who dies was all because of his time travel paths bs.
As soon as I heard Grisha say that the Attack Titan can see the future the series just went from a 10 to a 4 for me.
Fate should never be brought into a series.
Eren: There will be no discrimination against eldia if there is no eldia
Isn't that zeke's plan?
@@immentallyhandicapped2903 Eren's eldian destruction plan is by war and Zeke's is unlimited creampie
@@frooty9508 That's not zeke's plan either but ok 💀💀💀
@@immentallyhandicapped2903 zeke plan was to remove eldians from the equation in a painless manner.
@@testacals Ok? I know what his plan is lol. I've read the manga already.
Great video
2:31 brilliant use of music!!!
Eren is an awesome character
Eren could have saved all his friends by going with the 50 year plan. historia was even willing to do it why trample all over her decision and disrespect her resolve for no reason? you telling me historia living more than 13 years is worth more than Sasha, Hange, all the yaegerists that died AND 80% of the world?
The 100% Rumbling was the only way to save the Island...but the ending got me like this
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Great vid brooo💯💯💯💯
Your vids are like therapy
Found this link on r/Yeagerbro on reddit and it feels good to know someone is thinking the same way than you.
Your video is a banger, gonna sub. Thanks for your video🙏🏿💜
I wonder if Eren doing the full Rumbling was the original plan but his editor didn't agree with it so it had to be changed. Would suck if that was the case.
Lelouche basically has the same idea as Itachi and Sasuke (and Pain) in naruto Shippuden of concentrating hate towards themselves to unite the world. Also similar to Ozymandias' plan in the movie Watchmen. All of the aforementioned characters did great justice to the plan (Sasuke was stopped by Naruto but that was still great writing).
Eren just did a nonsensical 180 that made things worse for the people he loved :/
A villain who successfully killed his people for a larger goal and still believable you ask?
Did you forget Solo King Itachi Ucchiha?
remember when the majority of minds out there were short-sightedly fully *defending* this now failed Anime [Flower's] stupid ending?.... [grimly chuckled]
Yeah thats what happens when Code Geass isnt a shonen but AOT sadly is. Lelouch was fully devoted to his cause unlike Eren who didnt even know why he was doing everything
Chapter 138-139 is not Eren. Eren died in Chapter 137. That's my final cope lol
Modernisation of Paradise means jack shit since they still would've been severely outnumbered.
just discovered your channel, you make some good videos
Eren's goal should have been
NOT to be born in this WORLD