Veganism is White Colonized Thought? (Earthling Ed Debate) | Part 1
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- Part 1 of my reaction to "Student confronts vegan about indigenous culture | HEATED DEBATE" by Earthling Ed.
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"Hey, you white person living in a city, why aren't you vegan?" "Well the inuits and indigenous tribes thousands of miles from me living in periferia can't be"
... Ok then
She is SO abrasive from the beginning, I think my heart rate jumped when the conversation started. Major respect to Earthling Ed, he was so calm and respectful while also delivering really solid arguments.
I was raised vegetarian (vegan now for 10 years) because I am Hindu. I wanted to scream when she said veganism is rooted in colonialism.
Yeah lol my first introduction to concepts of non-violence (ahimsa) and animal liberation was through Buddhism (I'm Sri Lankan)... An ancient Eastern religion.
Hindu and Buddhism scripts say nothing about being a vegetarian. Hinduism does talk about diet but it's based on rationale. In fact Hinduism diet is exactly how I live my life and no it's not vegetarianism or veganism. I'm not Hindu it just happens to align my idea of nutrition. It just seems Hinduism and Buddhism has some logical themes I agree with but they have nothing to do with veganism.
Yes. The word vegan is from the 20th century but the idea of not eating/harming animals is hardly a new or western concept.
@@kissme1518 Okay... they "say nothing" YET I was raised vegetarian because I am Hindu, as was every other person within the Hindu community I grew up in. You are implying you know more about what I was raised to believe than I do. Additionally, my point was never to tie Hinduism and vegetarianism together completely, nor did I claim all Hindus are vegetarian, because they are not, but rather to make the point that clearly eating veg is not rooted in colonialism. Every single time I bring up being raised vegetarian because I am Hindu in a comment someone has to try to correct me. It is absurd and disrespectful.
@@kissme1518 “A lay follower should not engage in five types of business.
Which five?
Business in weapons,
Business in human beings,
Business in meat,
Business in intoxicants, and
Business in poison.”
Vanijja Sutta: Business (Wrong Livelihood) Anguttara Nikaya 5.177
Buddhist texts explicitly say that animal farming is wrong livelihood. Passages like this have to do a lot of veganism and Buddhism is the reason why I went vegan.
I feel like a good horror movie would include the killer saying to their victims in a soft voice “i respect you, and don’t worry, I’ll use all of your body once you’re dead,” and they gesture to assorted bone objects they’ve carved and whatnot.
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All this time living as a vegan, living in Mexico with low income, guess I was a rich white person all along. I wasn't born vegan so I understand all the work that one has to do to see the hypocrisy and ugliness of the things that we pay to be done to animals. But it's a low move to use people from tribes, minorities and other cultures as an armor to justify that unwillingness to change, and also misrepresenting them. It's pretty gross. That eagerness to defend themselves seem like they already know that what they're doing isn't right but they don't want to feel that way. Just own it.
Shout out to Unnatural Vegan’s dad! Great video! 🌱
Man, she is really going to regret initiating a conversation with him for the rest of her life 😅
Earthling Ed is the reason I am vegan. I just saw he so calmly dismantle every argument against veganism and I realized that none of my varnish arguments were any better than the ones he dismantled.
Watch bobbys persoectove on earthling ed. He's a scammer
He is great right? His patience is his biggest strength. I swear he has the patience of a saint ;)
Earthling Ed is the master of using the Socratic Method for promoting veganism!
@@rahky2799 I would rather not. Why don't you summarize it for us?
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These two people were my two main influences in going Vegan. Without Swayze I probably wouldn't have become flexitarian/vegetarian and without Ed I probably wouldn't have made the step toward veganism. Seeing both in a video makes me weirdly emotional...
This is why i don't like the way swayze advocates.... she wants people to reduce rather then stop.
I went from eating meat to veganism with Eds activism. Swayze probably wouldn't have put a dent in the way I thought about animals.
@@amirrhodesve791 and i went from being vegan for my health to being vegan for the animals because of her :) who knows if i would have continued being vegan had i not made the ethical connection. point is, we all respond to different types of activism.
@@amirrhodesve791 no Swayze advocates for complete veganism, but she does find value in someone's willingness to reduce. Not everyone has to live by absolutes.
@@jrh6707 her value in reducing makes people reduce and not go vegan. So its not helping veganism like at all
It feels like she is clearly unwell and maybe not the best person to have that discussion with
Came here to say this
She seems very anxious to me, but I don't think that should exclude her from the opportunity to be a part of the discussion
@@liammarshall-butler3384 you are right about that, anxiety should not keep people from being a part of the discussion. I just question filming someone so agitated and using that as an example of cringe. Not fair to her if she is anxious because she is mentally unwell, on the spectrum, or just having a bad day. Just my perspective 🤷🏻♀️
But that’s what makes his video get more clicks.
i wonder if indiginous cultures throw away millions of pounds of meat every year fromt their groceries stores?
I love Earthling Ed. You might want to read his book and review it on here- I thought it was probably one of the best books on veganism I’ve read- very interesting, well thought through and concise. It’s definitely worth a read and would benefit vegans and non-vegans alike.
I second this! I recently finished his book and was interested to read a similar book but from the opposing perspective. I couldn't find anything with decent reviews or "sound" arguments. So if anyone has a suggestion I'd love to hear it!
I just got his book recently! Can’t wait to read it! I’ve only heard good things about it :)
As Harmony has already seconded the comment, I third it. Currently reading the book, and indeed it's very clear, comprehensive yet concise, and easy to read. Bravo Ed
I love the argument about exploited immigrants picking vegetables, but who do they think work in slaughterhouses? Primarily immigrants, not making much money, usually in grim conditions. On top of that, huge rates of injuries, either from carpal tunnel from the repetitive work or losing actual digits and limbs from all the KNIVES EVERYWHERE.
To me this argument is self defeating, even before considering slaughterhouses. More crops need to be harvested in order to feed the animals that are going to be slaughtered than what is needed to feed people directly.
Yeah, I don' t think this argument has a lot of merit for a few reasons. 1.)Most vegans I know ARE aware of these issues and speak out on them. 2.) In theory, these practices could be made ethical and corrected, but that's not true for animal ag 3.) Vegans represent like maybe 2% of the worlds population, so the vast majority workers exploited in plant ag are exploited by..ta da...meat eaters, not vegans. At least currently, I mean, I am flattered they think we're that hungry, but that's just not possible.
Also, a lot of farmers only supply to feed animals to eat before they are slaughtered and eaten...
@@ppowell1212 The only way animal ag could ever be sustainable is on such a small, personal scale it isn't really a thing any more. It would be so few and far between it would no longer be a problem without factory farming :)
I agree dude, I agree.
@@twitchybird8074 there is no case it could more sustainable than the alternatives, for say. "Reducing," meat consumption is like reducing hydraulic fracturing without getting rid of it entirely. There's only so much we can do before permafrost melt makes climate change irreversible and if we keep eating meat, especially organic which is much more destructive, we will collapse as a civilization. Even keeping a couple thousand local farms would waste tens of thousands of acres of land
They DO NOT talk about anything like that in Texas education systems. We were warned about fast food and how it’s unhealthy, but NOTHING about slaughter houses. I think she pulled that out of her ass haha. As if Texas would ever teach something like that, been a Texas vegan for 8 years… even in Austin Tx being vegan is uncommon. (Although we have an AMAZING vegan community)
She 100% pulled that out of her ass. Doesn't align at all with the Texas education system. She probably just wanted him to not question it.
Imagine how many people would go vegan if more vegans had Ed's debating skills and overall chill attitude. This man is truly impressive. The way he kept his cool with this indivudal is not something I'd be able to do.
@@rahky2799 "exposing" 🤣 my dude lol! hope you're 13 if that's your source lol
Because almost no vegan is that chill, even this vegan UA-camr points out some misleading and false claims yes. But does so in such a snob sarcastic tone, you'll legit get almost no one to side with you even if you're right.
@@hagaras82030 I think most people only think vegans talk in a sarcastic tone because they are so offending that they're saying the truth
One of the things I like to remind my fellow indigenous friends and family is that because of colonization and yt-supremacy our ancestors were introduced to a meat-heavy diet. In the Americas prior to the genocides the only domesticated animals were small compared to horses and cows, and were not farmed to the extend that they were for many centuries in Europe. And when the natives were deposed from their lands and forced into slave labor they were also denied their cultural practices in the way they dressed, eating habits etc.. They were forced into poverty, and forced to include the scraps of animals(tongue, stomach, feet etc) that were left behind by wealthier colonizers benefiting from the animals they introduced. Later on those animal markets controlled by yt-men became the animal industry under Capitalism that we have today. I grew up eating dishes that now normally include meat of all kinds, but we have to recognize that THAT inclusion of animal flesh IS the “white colonized thought.”
My opinion is that like many vegans today, indigenous Americans of hundreds of years ago were often vegan because they often only consumed animals when they had to. They lacked the nutritional knowledge we have today, and in some cases went through famine and scarcity that had them include insects in their diet like many peoples have done throughout history.
Decolonization has to be a process of ingenuity. There can only be a kind of “return” to indigenous practices of hundreds of years ago BECAUSE we know more now. And the information is clear: Veganism is the only way.
I agree- a lot of my native cuisine from South India is naturally vegan, but after colonization and especially after the US’s corporate fast food takeover started in India starting in the 90s, now so many dishes are filled to the brim with meat and dairy.
Watching white individuals talk about cultures never fails to be cringe, I guess that's the "white saviour"
This student should win the cringe award of the year. She must be so embarrassed at everything she said. She’s perfect for a meme.
Let's not judge or make fun of people :) I've said my fair share of cringe
I think we've all believed in some weird shit in the past... people change and grow let's give them space for it
@@TheMrsarahanne90 the difference is she is using her weird shit to justify abuse. That’s when weird shit needs to be called out.
@@vegangames3468 I never said that we shouldn't address it, if that wasn't clear then let me clear that up now. However, I don't think it's helpful to make fun of someone or be a bit dickish for something that is so common and honestly a part of growing up, having cringy past beliefs that you later change.
I wish I had been traumatized about slaughterhouses and fast food in school! Would've saved me from eating animal products and McDonald's for 30+ years 🙃
Ed is amazing, the contrary of the vindictive extremist vegan.
he is always extremely calm and respectful, even when confronted with the dumbest arguments.
I have immense respect for him.
I met him in 2019, at the end of the London March for the Animals I was on. Just as nice in person as he is in his videos. Also I am a white vegan, but I live on the poverty line. I'm certainly not rich!
Ed has the patience of a saint. You and he are both masters of the socratic method. He moved to the states not long ago. Years past, he's done these debates in England. I love you commenting on this debate because you add the needed commentary that he cannot because he focuses on listening to the other person and meeting them where they are, in the moment. If you ever need material for a UA-cam video, I highly recommend you go down the rabbit hole of his debates & then adding your insightful, sage commentary.
My guess is, that she might be a (former) stutterer or clutterer. I suspect that part of what makes her seem angry and/or upset is a compensated speech impediment. Which might also explain her level of agitation. The way she halts in her rhythm and then speaks very fast makes me think that that might be at play here. So don't cringe too hard at her or judge her too harshly. From that point of view it might even be considered brave of her to voluntarily enter a recorded debate. Even if her logic, her points of view and her arguments aren't up to par.
Regardless, I think she is brave. She wants to try her arguments, knowing anyone who put up a sign inviting people to discuss something will come very well prepared and you most probably will run out of arguments simply because you weren't as prepared.
@@goranbreskic4304 or simply because you're completely ignorant
POV: telling someone you're going to take everything from them before killing them, and using their body in every possible way, and expecting that to be any consolation.
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reminds me of that scene in the movie The Platform when a man is about to eat another person
i was so impressed by how ed dealt with the cosmocentrisism thing without just saying 'but that's not true' that man has the patience of a saint
I watched ed's original video and I love it when people say veganism is for ̈ rich white people". I guess, as a chinese vegan, I don't exist lol. In all seriousness, I think under different circumstances, what she says is interesting and I would love to learn more about indigenous tribes but these topics do not apply to her or me personally. So to use indigenous tribes to excuse our behavior and actions is kinda... borderline unethical? idk
Same with disabilities that have sensory issues, like me, and autistic vegan with sensory issues, isn't real? Like veganism helped me branch out and helped my sensory issues (still can't stand cauliflower though)
N/A N/A ayyyyyy I love seeing neurodivergent people in the community! I firmly believe veganism can be for anyone so it makes me happy to see people of different backgrounds :) it also makes it more funny when people like to label vegans as “racist and ableist”. As if wanting to care about animal rights is somehow only for white able bodied people? So people with disabilities or different races/ethnicities are just… what? Incapable of caring about animal rights? I admit veganism has flaws but instead of helping us, they just want to use us as an excuse lmao 😂
I feel like it's so much easier being a vegan as someone from an Asian country where Buddhism and Hinduism is very common. Vegetarianism is a big thing in those religions, and there are "full vegetarians" that are essentially vegan! So there's so many cheap vegan food options available:)
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@@yasaiaisa8363 This isn't necessarily the case. In India, maybe. But AFAIK, Chinese, Japanese and Korean dishes are notorious for their meat products. I've seen quite a few videos where Japanese, Chinese, and Korean vegans talk about their struggles. I saw another where a vegan in India was still having issues because of their dairy consumption and dairy's prevalence in dishes (I believe it's a religious thing, so speaking against dairy isn't considered acceptable). It's definitely possible to veganise the meals. It's probably easier for Westerners in restaurants, but home-cooking seems far easier for vegans in Asian culture. That being said: I'm British and we're not exactly known for our cuisine. We borrow virtually everything from Indian and Chinese culture, so maybe we're just worse cooks.
Commenting for the algorithm much love
“A person and a tree are not equal…” Thank you for being sane. Just thank you.
Having gone through Texas schools for my entire education I can say personally for me fast food was never singled out and vilified in health class for being unethical.
I also watched some rough factory farm documentaries in school (south carolina), but the takeaway they gave us was more "cheap/processed meat bad, local family farm meat good" instead of "meat immoral in general"
Lady: "Veganism is a white, colonized thought."
Me, a Hispanic vegan: "Guess I'll just die."
You can be Hispanic and still be white
I live in DC and all the vegans I know are black. It's such a weird take to say it's only a white thing.
@@edvelazquez9467 careful, you're confusing the americans who think latino is an ethnicity
Yes it is.
@@eduardoo31 I would definitely say it is an ethnicity but not a race.
Earthling Ed is amazing with his arguments. Even tho I was already vegan when I started watching him he actually helped dispel a few of my doubts about being vegan and help me when other people have questions.
One of them was the whole Christian argument of “god gave us animals and told us to eat them so why shouldn’t we eat animals?” His response to that argument was just.. eye opening.
I love watching his debate videos. I like him for the same reason I like you Unnatural Vegan: he’s calm, states facts, not over the top and doesn’t use emotions and flashiness to get his point across.
hi! could you please point me to the video where he gives the response to this question? I've just had to argue with religious viewpoints the other day.. and I need to refresh my arguments :D
God doesn’t have a favorite species!
When you happen to look at your phone the moment it's uploaded.
Same
I went to public school in Texas. I was taught the green, yellow, red light foods as a young child to teach about unprocessed, semi-processed, and overly processed foods. I do not recall ever watching or being taught about animal slaughter in my general education in the Texas public school system. If someone was in the Agricultural community program 4H or otherwise in high school especially might have been taught about the animal agriculture industry, but the general education curriculum I was taught did not include such matters.
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Lmao when she says “the moose hears me” 😂
I think she was talking about one specific Tiktoker from an Inuit tribe that posts her eating Beluga. From my perspective, it was wrong that she was promoting it talking about how delicious it is to a mainstream audience. People were commenting how they want to try it so some vegans were like “maybe don’t promote it?” But it’s a complicated topic with nuance and I think most people understand that. I also agree that culture is not an excuse to do morally questionable things and a lot of what she was saying about other cultures was probably misrepresented to fit her narrative
finally lol i've been wanting you to react to earthling ed forever. i think he's a great voice for the community, especially compared to a lot of the other influencers in our sphere
Watch bobbys perspective on earthling ed.
He was SO well spoken and handled this so well. Thanks for sharing! ✨🧡
For every woman like this there are probably dozens (if not hundreds) who feel the exact same but would refuse to have any sort of discussion about it at all, not to mention one that's recorded and posted online to channels full of vegans. She's allowing herself to be vulnerable in a way that gives me some level of respect for her, & for that reason I suppose I disagree with the majority of those here dunking on her. She's certainly defensive throughout, but I know I probably would've been the exact same when I was in college if I had the courage to actually confront my eating habits then.
Exactly. Also I think she's just really nervous. She's tripping over her words. Honestly she sounds like me, someone with sometimes pretty bad social anxiety. I often get told I seem really intense when I'm very nervous.
She's thoroughly wrong, but certainly, at least she agreed to talk and for the video to be used. That much should be granted.
or maybe she just thought she was "roasting the vegan". I doubt she would have agreed for the video to be posted if she knew how people would react
@@giannis_tar That's true, φιλε
It's nice of you to have been able to see a different side to this, but I saw no vulnerability personally. I watched the whole original video and she just seemed extremely arrogant and combative. At the end of the discussion when she supposedly had to leave after Eartling Ed debunked her arguments, she walked away looking pissed as he thanked her and barely said anything.
A lot of people might hold those exact same opinions but they might not be deluded enough to think they would stand up to any scrutiny in a discussion or at the very least would concede if the other person made a good point. None of which she did. Arrogant, ignorant loudmouth.
such a brilliant video ! i've been watching you for ages but never thought to comment. I love your overshirt !! it's beautiful
19:57 I grew up in Texas and I received no such education on factory farming. I suspect she may have been part of the FFA, or Future Farmers of America. Students would raise animals for show and for slaughter in order to train to become agricultural veterinarians and whatnot. I had friends who raised everything from rabbits to steers; all were sold and presumably killed for commercial use. Looking back, it's a lot more disturbing than it seemed at the time. I would think Tennessee would have something similar, but it could depend on the area your school was in.
The extent of my personal exposure to factory farming was videos shared on facebook and youtube. It's not a standard part of Texas education by any means.
Amazing video! Can't wait for part two!
Yeah, I love Earthling Ed. He is persuasive and well versed in all the counter arguments to Veganism. I even bought his book (in Kindle format). Ed is also so calm and well-spoken (the British accent helps) in all his interactions with others.
Can we talk about how people use the whole " farming produce is exploitative and bad for the environment too" argument against veganism, while completely disregarding the fact that they propably eat a lot of it as well...
I love your channel! I’ve attempted veganism in the past and really struggled with it as I’ve been in recovery from Ana./Mia but I’ve been moving towards a pescatarian lifestyle and replacing meals with vegan ones and cutting out dairy. I have to stay in balance of eating ethically and not overly focusing on everything I put on my body.
Thanks for sharing your very reasonable views on the cause, aggressive vegans scare me further from ever wanting to adopt a vegan lifestyle and be thought of as an extremist 💗 I feel like you really help break through this stereotype
I love your videos!!! no idea why you don’t have more followers 😢 it’s great how you always share actual facts / research etc and always seem to stay natural and real even though i am sure it’s sometimes hard to be attacked on social media with disrespectful comments… oh and yes: respect for not showing your kids to protect them ❤❤👏🏼
the whole "yOu ShOuLdN't PrEsSuRe OtHeRs To Be VeGaN" shit is so fucking dumb when you get down to the root of it. most people saying that aren't being pressured outside of the pressure they feel when confronted with the truth. they just don't like it when their selfishness is revealed.
i never watched a video by him but this was somehow recommended to me as well and i must say i like him soooo much, just the way hes so agreeable while also stating the facts, without getting super upset or emotional. love him
Yessss so excited for this one!
Your ability to be unbiased is incredible. I wish we had more people like you on the platform
I've been following Eds channel for a while, he was one of the firs vegans i found out after turning vegan, he rly helped me with the "explaning" part of veganism, like when you have to explain to your family why veganism is not a bad thing lol
same here
So I didn't have the time just yet to watch your full take on the video. I watched the original already and just a few minutes in had some thoughts I wanted to share. While I'm not a therapist it seems to me like she might be neurodivergent. I am myself and I know there are times where I've been in arguments where I've embarrassed myself because I couldn't get my point out clearly. If that is the case I do feel like this video shouldn't have been published. However I do have a lot of respect for earthling ed, and I suspect that he thought about it and that publishing it was okay. Also I have arfid (avoidant restrictive food intake disorder), but it isn't as bad as when I was a child. If I had tried to go vegan 10 years ago I probably would have failed miserably and wouldn't have tried again for a long time. I'm really happy you mention about people who have food aversions but being able to be vegan. Thankfully I was able to overcome that.
I’m from Texas -Dallas area too and we definitely didn’t learn about fast food in the curriculum. I watched Supersize Me in my hospitality class but that definitely wasn’t written in or even discussed in depth.
I have many thoughts but the one that stood out to me was what you mentioned about the produce industry and exploitation of workers. It's also kind of icky to fully believe that "oh what would they do without this industry though!!!", but to an extent, yes it can be argued. Change can be made in these industries. Boycotts HAVE happened in produce industries through incredible organizing, and change happened. I agree with you that simply stating something is a grey area is NOT a stance or a solution. Do something about it, then! And of course, we know which industry is a hell lot worse (when comparing plant-based to animal ag).
Excellent response! I can't wait for part 2 :)
my little vegan heart was so calmed by Ed and Swayze calmly and logically dismantling arguments that are so asinine that I don't even know how to start to address them xoxo
HI I’m vegan and went to Highschool in TX and yes I remember in health class we were shown supersize me and there was another doc (possibly vegucated) we saw as well. I thought it was eye-opening but we didn’t go in depth on that healthier vegetarian lifestyle the rest of the course. We still learned the basic food pyramid and were taught that dairy was a healthy option.
As soon as he said about US as in the people who do have the means to go vegan her tone changed so much and she looked so uncomfortable to me. She keeps stuttering because she so angry and has so many thoughts that she can’t just have a normal conversation. She needs to calm down and relax then come back to the conversation and then share her opinions and thoughts.
I knew you would comment on this and I am living for it
I absolutely love the earthling Ed and his debates. My husband don't like to watch them, because he feels bad for the interview partner, because Ed obviously knows very well what he's is talking about und is very experienced. But I think it's absolutely beautiful. There are some debates, where you can see the interview partner change their view und realizing they were wrong before. So nice to watch
As far as the school system fast food claims she made, when I was in school we actually did have to watch the Supersize Me documentary and look at some slaughter house stuff on chicken nuggets and pink slime etc in health class (I went to school in Massachusetts not Texas though).The focus was on not eating fast food and showing how bad McDonald’s was but I actually went vegetarian as a teenager after watching that because the factory farming stuff upset me so much. So it’s possible that something similar was taught in Texas as well.
Earthling Ed is truly a gift to the world, animals and humans. I love his kindness and patience with people, and his peaceful but powerful defence of animals ❤️
I love Ed!! One of my absolute favorites for the vegan movement. His videos were my first exposure and I am so happy because it helped shape me. And now I have so many I love to watch, including this one!
Growing up in a suburb of Dallas, in my AP Environmental Sciences and AP Human Geography classes, we were shown videos about factory farming. It wasn’t specifically directed towards fast food. I took health online so I don’t know if lower level classes or regular health classes showed these videos, but they weren’t shown to us from a health perspective. They were shown to us so we see how terribly the animals were treated. Obviously it didn’t work, but…
I graduated from TX public schools in the Dallas suburbs. I don't know what she's talking about. We did read Fast Food Nation for some class (can't think of which one). But I don't think it was part of the standard curriculum. I only remember talking about the growth of fast food chains part not the animal ethics bit. We may have only been assigned the first part actually.
In Utah we watched “Food Inc” in middle school as a way to try and teach us where food came from and why we should care about sustainable farming practices and where we are buying food from
As a Texan, I did not learn about fast food in health class. However, my sophomore English class has Fast Food Nation as a required reading book. But there was never any intentional scaring people away from fast food in the general curriculum.
Hey, I've never commented before despite being subscribed for years but I feel the need to comment on something that was said. I've spent a lot of time at university in my undergraduate and masters degree learning about the construction of knowledge and different forms of knowledge. There is so much academic literature out there which explores other ways of knowing and it is a lot more complex than viewing a rock as equal to a person. To say otherwise is to dismiss the real lived experience of many indigenous people, discredits the value of indigenous knowledge, and assumes that the western scientific ontology is universal. It can be hard to see through the veil of constructed world views especially when you have never been exposed to such a way of thinking. However, a really enlightening introductory book which beautifully explores different ways of knowing is 'Braiding Sweetgrass' by Robin Wall Kimmerer. I can't recommend it enough! Best wishes.
well said!
I’ve met people who genuinely struggle to go vegan or vegetarian. From a large number of allergies, to ARFID, to autism and sensory issues to eating disorder recovery, just to list a few off the top of my head. These situations are very real and I absolutely sympathise with them, and in severe or complex cases I believe a fully vegan diet is not possible. With extensive treatment and perhaps even advancements in medical science I hope most of the people with these conditions will be able to recover, though they deserve great respect regardless. *However*, I’ve noticed a huge increase in recent years of people claiming they have medical reasons for not being able to go predominately vegan or even just vegetarian, and many of these don’t seem sincere. Most of the people I’ve met claiming they have medical disorders that make vegetarianism/veganism impossible have admitted they got their diagnosis through alternative medicine rather than conventional medicine, or even off of websites or social media (same way that fad diets and anti-veganism spread).
There is a big difference between having a medically substantiated mental or physical illness that makes eating even a typical omnivorous diet akin to torture, resulting in the need for longterm medical monitoring and assistance, and claiming you cannot even be reducitarian because a naturopath/osteopath/spiritual advisor/chiropractor/questionable-online-dietary-allergy-testing-service told you you are intolerant to every single vegetarian foodstuff under the sun. It’s this terrible minefield of not wanting to humiliate or undermine someone who really cannot go vegan for a legitimate medical reason, but also not wanting to let people get away with making excuses they know can’t be questioned out of etiquette. Even worse, some people who have a genuine medical diagnosis will hide behind that diagnosis dishonestly. Just like people who truthfully say a vegan diet made them sick but refuse to accept they ate very poorly, some people claim they have an irrefutable medical exemption but never really care to examine it. They won’t try to find manageable solutions or compromises because they don’t want to. Case in point, a friend of mine has diagnosed ASD and ADHD, and he claimed at one point that hypersensitivity to food textures prevented him from eating beans of any kind and that vegetarianism was therefore out of the question. However, he actually eats beans and pulses with ease even when they are not the only food available. As long as they are not boiled to mush and are not gross in colour (like stewed green lentils, which I also dislike), he has no issues whatsoever. He also said his eating of extremely unhealthy fast food to the point of morbid obesity could not be changed because the daily consumption of these foods was needed to calm the symptoms of his ASD. This second argument of his is very similar to what the student in the video said, with her neurotic personality supposedly making it too overwhelming to eat unfamiliar things. The problem with this defence is that even a doctor would call it an excuse. The person I know does not listen to the trained medical experts who are trying to help him, and he admits they have told him many times that his mental health conditions are not a good reason to destroy his health. Doctors will never tell you that eating sausage rolls and cheese burgers is a necessary evil (unless you are in anorexia recovery or the alternative is not eating at all), and regardless of whether or not he ever goes vegan it is a medical imperative that he push through his discomfort slowly and carefully. So even though it is not kind to quiz people on private medical information, it does anger me that so many people are making excuses
I’m autistic and have sensory issues. It does not justify paying someone to slit someone’s throat.
Ed is super level headed and I really enjoy his debates. He has very great points too. Loved seeing your reaction to this
As for the Texas school system, I graduated from a Houston high school 4 years ago and we did watch a couple documentaries about factory farming (one advocating for veganism and another just asking for reform) but it was in an AP social studies class that replaced freshman geography. My guess (since she obviously considers herself well educated) is that this is her situation but it is definitely not included in basic Texas curriculum
She says she's neurotic so maybe her way of talking very fast and loudly isn't just her being mad at the thought of the debate itself? I don't know what neurotic behavior looks like so I can't say for sure
Any truly neurotic person wouldn't intentionally put themselves in a position of talking in public, on a large platform and about something they know will make them upset. She just seems like a dramatic, emotional person.
many libs self-diagnose. It's very quirky to have self diagnosed autism, for example. It's like a personality trait. I don't believe people online when they have they have bad anxiety or something.
@@Anny95290 I mean that just seem in poor taste to just assume they're lying. I understand it's the internet and people might make up whatever they want and I understand keeping in mind that it's a possibility, but I don't agree with just outright saying "yeah that's obviously not true"
@@DemyrNox good for you, such a good human being, what an example
@@Anny95290 That's a mature response
Earthling Ed's demeanor never ceases to amaze me.
It's so true I wish I knew how he did it. I'm sure thousands of hours of practice, but how does he cope with the pain?
I always get banner ads for Shein whenever I watch your videos lol.
and I grew up in Texas and they just taught us about the early days of slaughter houses mainly to show us the muckraking style of journalism used in The Jungle by Upton Sinclair. they, in no way, instilled a traumatic picture in my mind of modern day slaughterhouses. (obviously because I only stopped eating meat when I was 25)
My partner and I both were brought up in Texas. My kids are in the Texas school system, one taking ‘Health’ right now. That is NOT true. Side note: they have added mental health to health class since my class of 2003 which I find fantastic.
From Texas here and the Texas Education system-
They did show a video of slaughter houses talking about fast food and nutrition.
They also make sure and add in the videos how protien comes from meat and dairy- they mention a bit on beans but your best form of protien comes from animal products.
Depending you can even enroll into a FFA (future farmers of America) course and you get to slaughter and learn to butcher chickens in the course.
I’m from Oklahoma … we never heard anything about slaughterhouses or the process of how food is made. No one I know from Texas has ever mentioned learning that in school either (after many convos about veganism during college).
19:57 Texas born and raised here. Graduated from public highschool in 2015. Not once was I taught anything about CAFOs or animal feedlots in school. We were once shown Super Size Me in 8th grade though.
But, something tells me the little lady might be telling a fib. Or at the very least exaggerating things.
Your reactions are the same as mine when I first watched Ed's video 🤣
His style is based on the Socratic method, which he explains and endorses in his free ebook regarding the most common arguments against veganism.
I think some vegans or vegetarians came to speak to us in my high school health class that was an elective, but it was UA-cam that convinced me
Earthlings Ed is often compared to a vegan Jesus within his community, and actually yep, he's 99% of the time very articulate and charitable (as we imagine Jesus might have been)
I didn’t go to high school in Texas but my brother told me he’s had a similar experience in the public education system, he went to high school in Illinois and Pennsylvania
Great video!
I’m from Texas and went to school there all through college-and they definitely don’t show anything like that. The Alamo for 5 years sure, but I don’t think they even mentioned a slaughterhouse or animal welfare.
This interview was an instant classic. Ed was so classy and patient and she was so horrible. She posterized herself.
I have long covid/chronic fatigue which means eating a specific diet can be a challenge. To me, "availability" has to include time, energy and money, not only what is available in the supermarket or what foods we can tolerate. That said, earthling ed has been an influence on me and I am vegetarian and mostly vegan.
I would love to be vegan and my husband and I talk about it often. I have a lot of problems with digesting plant foods because I lack the enzyme alpha galactosidase, and taking the replacement is not effective for me. This makes substituting hard because A LOT of foods require this enzyme including many beans, lentils, veggies, etc. I'm also allergic to nuts which is an added challenge for supplementation, so eating a vegan diet and staying healthy would definitely be hard, but we try to reduce our meat consumption, and eat vegetarian when possible. I would literally never argue with a vegan because I do believe it's an ethically superior diet. I don't think people who don't follow it should be necessarily be made to feel bad because sometimes there are valid reasons, but giving information and raising awareness like Ed is doing is not attacking anyone.
I sympathise with you, it must be hard ethically to have to eat meat because of allergy and other medical conditions that prevent you from pursuing a vegan diet.
One of the most powerful and heartbreaking things to except(for me)is seeing cows having their calves taken from them and the anguish and distress this creates.
I see her as a mother, not unlike any other mother, who has just given birth to her child she has carried inside her developing a bond that is so special and unique it is one of the miracles of nature.
Although exhausted through the trauma of birth , She immediately starts to clean her child and the child responds to her ……their mother, for warmth and protection the bond is love immediately , and the nurturing process begins, her devotion is evident.
But within the next few moments, as video evidence records, the calve is dragged away, sometimes thrown to the floor aggressively, or sometimes carried away to a separate small cage, if the child is male he is slaughtered by hammer or shot in the head. This process is being carried out while the anguished mother cries out for her baby.
If the baby is female she will be used in the milk industry until slaughtered for human consumption in approx 5 years.
I hope in the near future medical science can help you to live a normal moral ethical life, without contributing to the pain and suffering inherent in the dairy industry.🤞
@@RobUFO I can see that you have strong convictions about this, but this type of comment is the exact reason that people don’t want to engage with vegans. I’m here saying that I agree and think that your diet is ethical and you arrive to write a 3 paragraph response to remind me of how horrible I am for my situation and how morally superior you are. I know what you are getting at by trying to convey the suffering of animals and no one is disagreeing with you, so you don’t need to do that.
@@alliesong77 I’m sorry if I upset you that was not my intention, I genuinely feel sorry for you , because in your post you said you wanted to be vegan which I believe is true.
My second paragraph is just my thoughts on how I see these beautiful creatures and how perception is so vitally important ie cows should never be referred to as beef, they are not a commodity , they are sentient creatures who share 80% of our DNA, and apparently have their own language ,If I came across a little heavy handed, it’s probably because I had just watched another video concerning the Panorama investigation of the abuse on a Welsh farm, it was more in-depth and harrowing than I imagined.
The channel is called ,”Animal Equality” , I’ll understand if you do not watch it.
I genuinely hope your dietary condition gets better or cured if that’s a possibility.
V. Best for the future. R
(2015 grad) In health class we watched "Supersize Me" which I think showed how the chicken nuggets were made of pink goo and showed how fast food is bad for you. I don't remember seeing slaughter houses though
Great video! I mostly agree with you, but ive got to say that in my opinion the argument you're making at 23:42 isn't a good one. If enough people would make a decision to stop buying from unethical companies like shein because of how they treat workers they will be forced to change their ethics in order to survive. And if people would buy from ethical companiess instead, those companies would be able to grow and create more workplaces for people.
Also the part at 13:00 when she's talking about the moose not feeling people deserve to eat them it reminds me the part from `the restaurants in the end of the universe' by Douglas Adams where the characters seat in a restaurant and there's a cow that offers them to eat her and ask them what part of her body they would like to eat
I agree 100%
Thank you 🙏
I went to school in Houston. So I did have a health class where our teacher did have a segment about fast food. He even had us watch "Super Size Me" The only reason why I really remember it is because McDonald's fires in that red cup-like holder with fries in it and then told us how it's over 3 years old but STILL looks the same. Really well done on his end but I don't recall him saying or being taught to eat "real" meat.
I went to school in Virginia and we definitely watched those same anti fast food videos in middle school that she described in Texas. Over half the class became vegetarian for a few weeks after, but most went back to the standard American diet because that's what is provided for school lunches.
I remember we had to get permission slips signed too because we were going to be watching animals getting slaughtered.
I love Ed's calmness personality. By the way I am a Latina female 35 no job, no car, live in ghetto and collect foodstamps. I'm vegan and on top of that I eat really healthy. On top of that, I'm wicca which is a nature based religion so it goes hand in hand with having respect for nature, animals etc without eating them.
Psychopaths are also very calm when talking on things that are very inflammatory.
@@kissme1518 Having a diet that ISNT based on fear and death is somehow psychopathic..? Feel free to elaborate
@@bookmilla8616 Point is that being calm doesn't mean you're good at talking but that seems to be the only thing you vegans talk about Ed which makes sense how brain dead vegans are. Oh and psychopathy only applies to how people treat people.
Tennessee, huh? I've been wondering for a long time what part of the South you were from!
I am from Houston, and I don't remember that from high-school in the 2000's
i want to begin by saying I love your content! You are very educated and you want to educate people as well.. its very inspiring! I try to make my friends watch your videos but they say you’re not a credible source bcz you’re not a doctor or a nutritionist. This makes me really sad cz I think you are one of the best sources out there in veganism and nutrition. Well maybe one day you’ll pursue a degree and become a nutritionist :)
Ed's calmness is so admirable. His frustration rears its head in some of his videos, but it's hilariously mild. I love it.
OMG i am here for this. i love drama around " colonizers"
The woman he’s debating seems unwell. Idk if she is, but I really get that vibe.
I too recently discovered Ed Winters, in my case, thanks to the UA-cam algorithm. I never considered being a vegan before and the usual anti-vegan arguments immediately sprung to my mind. But Ed in his videotaped debates methodically destroyed them all. I think his many, many debates have exposed him to every possible argument and he can, through clever questioning (Socratic method), get his opponent to doubt their own certainty. I think his opponent revealed a lot when she said she was a neurotic. We have all had neurotic moments but being neurotic nonstop must be an ordeal. I think she feels constantly under attack, is probably highly self-critical, and resorts to defensive mechanisms like attacking others around her or possiby withdrawing. Ed is so patient. What I have noticed about Ed at moments in many of his videos is that his eyes wander in another direction while he's talking. It suggests to me that he is getting bored hearing the same arguments and having to say the same counter-arguments. But I still feel he is highly effective.
Georgia shows “fast food” slaughter house footage which is standard slaughter house videos in health class with the same message as it’s “just” fastfood