Do Vegans Need To Talk About Black Lives Matter?
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- Опубліковано 11 чер 2020
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you don't need to be vegan to talk about BLM, you need to be a human being
Humans are talking about it, talking about their own oppression. While people are distracted with that, who’s voice isn’t being heard? The pigs, chickens, and dogs being boiled live crying in pain. Animals raped, children taken away, put in tiny cages, skinned, boiled, taken apart alive. We cannot failed from the message or who will be the voice? Who will spread the word when everyone is talking about something else? Talking about voices being heard when the most oppressed are not?
As the human unnatural vegan she does talk about it on twitter 👍
Trigger Happy you know people can support two causes at once right?
Trigger Happy I'm sorry but humans take priority over goddamn animals!!!!! Yeah the pigs and chickens are sad WELL WE'VE BEEN FREAKING OPPRESSED FOR LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF YEARS!!!!!! Get your head out of your ass.
You mean you need to be an American. Sorry for your people, whatever, but the police are a hundred times worse in other countries.
In Mexico, they will shoot anyone if they get paid enough.
In the Philippines, they murder teenagers if they suspect they have drugs.
Can Americans stop thinking the world revolves around their small scale injustices especially when compared to genocides and mass murders still happening in other countries.
THAT is privilege.
I think the problem is that many vegans like to equate animal suffering to human slavery, family seperation or even the holocost. But now when black people are being killed by police & migrent children are being separeated from their families ect. these vegans dont speak on these issues. You can't equate these situations and be outraged about animals and not humans.
When she reaches for her keyboard she doesnt see black hands . She can mentally remove herself from the issue.
I hate all the bull shit that gets heaped on me because i eat plant based.
Your attempt to shame religious vegan zealots is ridiculous. If they fall for it they are ridiculous and you should hang out.
The difference is animals don't have a voice at all. Humans, however oppressed, can work to change their situation (as they are now).
missumbrella vegans voices are the animals voice. Dont act like people havent fought for animals.
@@missumbrella3135 as they are now and we all should help amplify them with all we have.
As a black woman and long time subscriber, I am truly disappointed. How you gonna claim to not be intersectional with your channel but you have videos about religion, transgender discrimination, youtube beauty guru drama and family vlog channels?
I think you need to spend some time contemplating why you felt the need to make those videos, but hesitated to speak out about black lives. Aiyana Stanley was 7 years old. Tamir Rice was 12. Ahmaud Aubery was dead for 2 months before we even found out about it. What if there was no video? Why don't you feel the need to talk about it? Is it because it doesn't effect you? If we don't have conversations about injustices, how will change happen? Apparently it's not that urgent to you. Not as urgent as halo vitamins anyway.
And yea, when white people have profited from the enslavement and labor of black people (on plantations in the past and through mass incarceration today) and from having opportunities that aren't afforded to POC through discrimination; yea, you should be contributing a portion of your resources to help level the playing field. I can't with you.
Agree 100%
Well said xox
yes. period.
Thank you! I felt the same about a few podcasts who either were silent (as in still posting episodes but not talking about it) or who skirted over it by saying "this is a light and fun escape so not gonna get into that" meanwhile one I follow in particular has many episodes dedicated to cases of murder, sexual violence, etc. Basically people are scared to say the "wrong thing" and don't have the courage to speak up in the right way so whatever they would say would be so full of caveats and qualifications that they'd get dragged or they fear that they might alienate people who hate blm. Like tell me that if a major terrorist attack or something else were to happen that these social media stars, podcasters etc wouldn't have hearfelt messages but this is just too "controversial" (though from what UV says I think she actually wouldn't)
Why don’t Muslims in China affect you? Why don’t vegan issues affect BLM enough for them to promote it?
As many times as I've seen vegans compare animal cruelty to slavery, I'd kinda expect them to support and talk about BLM.
Omg, I just commented the same thing!! They don’t seem to realize that comparing poc to animals is racist at all.
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Not really. The suffering of millions of animals that are slaughtered every day is so much worse than you spoiled Americans.
@@dramatictrauma331 it's not racist at all. You're a specicist. We compare all people to animals because that's what we all are.
Ehh none of the vegans I’ve ever met or talked to have compared animal slaughter to slavery. That’s not a common narrative honestly. But I do feel you that she needs to wake tf up and change her views
The black space is not a literal “space” or location. They mean black people should have space to speak on black issues or feelings without white people feeling the need to interject or compare experiences.
I thought this was obvious 😐
and this video is the unnatural vegan inserting herself into black space and pretending not to understand why race matters
hell girl honestly this whole video made me uncomfortable. I’m watching it again to process it more but it’s still strange to me.
@@gabriellagrafakos5521 yeah. Same. I was so uncomfortable and confused the whole time. Super tone deaf.
@@joinyourmind it's her channel. It's literally her space. Unless you are saying discussing veganism in context to this protest is completely off limits for white people
just because someone is focusing on a specific movement doesn’t mean you shouldn’t speak up on a human right issues in general. i promise you people who care will talk about the Uighur muslims in China, ICE detention camps, and black lives being constantly threatened by police and judicial system. this is not a political issue this is a human rights issue
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1) from what I have seen on social media, people In the United States are more interested in talking about the issues within our borders and hoping others talk about those issues than with issues other people in different countries are dealing with. It makes sense, the closer you are to an issue the more likely you are going to care and talk about it. Thus, I see a lot of US people on the timelines of my multiple twitter accounts and facebook talking about BLM but hadn't really talked much about any other political / social issue (in the US or otherwise), and that makes sense given what I just said. It is really easy to get into your corner of the internet and your corner of social justic causes and promote those. To say that people talking about BLM are also talking about these other issues is just not the case, often enough. Even I, as socially aware and conscious as I am, I don't always share content or support about every isse that is going on outside of the US. And I personally don't like how a lot of US people seem to be more concerned in making sure people talk about the issues that affect them rather than the issues that don't. Again, I understand why this is happening, but I think people in the US have some nationality privilege to feel entitlted everyone else talk about the issues that affect them but other people don't feel that and they also don't get this same courtesy to demand others talk about their issues. While I think it is important to use your platform to talk about issues around you, to demand people speak out about this issue and not others seems unbalanced to me.
2) I want to also point out that saying something is a political issue doesn't negate the fact that it is also a human rights issue. Whether we like it or not, supporting the Black Lives Matter movement is falling on party lines and is used as a way to separate people political, this is just a reality. Everything can be political if it can be used to categorize people politically and be legislated in some way.
Literally nobody is saying you shouldn't speak up. WHO IS SAYING THAT?? All she said was you shouldn't be FORCED to speak up just because you're vegan.
@@BigBeatlesFan121 yes and it also completely unfair to politicize the belief that OUR LIVES ARE VALID AND WORTHY. Most people say it is a political issue to negate that it is a human rights issue that is personal to so so so many of us. I think people that fall into the hole of negating that Black lives matter in order preserve the purity of their party affiliation are the problem. By doing that THAT PERSON is inferring republicans are racist (because what else would you call not thinking black people are valid to their right to life and justice) which makes no sense. Saying BLM is not hard and yet the matter of saying it or not saying it has become an issue to "debate." It's disgusting. Also I have to disagree, I think Americans truly need to focus MORE on what's going on at home with ALL groups of people. We need to look inward a lot more to see we have MANY problems here. We need to lift the voices and try to mend some of the horrors done AT HOME to our BIPOC people and others. Like take a mission trip to help poor communities in Mississippi and Arkansas (and not a random village in Africa for an instagram pic) or travel to help with water in Flint Michigan lol. Who else will care about these issued if not us? Systemic racism against black people is also an issue that is intertwined with the very foundation this country stands on. It's cut and dry, it is not nuanced. That is why silence is loud in this issue. You can chose not to speak on it but you also can't tell people not to draw conclusions if you don't. And I hope when we start putting in the WORK to listen and provide action that provides allyship to our Indigenous folks we do not also debate that as well. This place gives me a headache sometimes.
@@SpyderT22 Definitely a good idea to be critically thinking of any organization and you are right of course that millions are donated to BLM as an organization - but as a *movement*, there is a huge push towards donating money to individual Black and Black Trans people (and different types of mutual aid like protester bail funds), watching to see when certain orgs get enough donations and then urging focus on different orgs that are still in needs of funding!
A lot of people are learning about this movement as a new idea and are learning day by day, but I have seen (in my personal social media view) a shift of focus from BLM's main american org to spreading power and money to smaller orgs and mutual aid.
No one ever said the issues happening in China, the Middle East, and the rest of the world aren’t important, or that we don’t care about them, or are unable to care about multiple issues at once. But we’re also not on UA-cam making videos titled “Do we need to talk about Muslims in China?” and letting our audience know that we don’t feel the need to make “a whole video” about the issue because that’s not what our channel is about. Why say anything at all, if that’s the case?
I’m an ethical vegan, but the treatment of black men and women in this country right now has no business being equated to the suffering of animals, and to use the excuse “but we’re all animals” is extremely tone deaf. The vegan community goes on and on, comparing animal agriculture in the U.S. to the atrocities of slavery and talking about ethics and morality, but when they see civil rights issues and human oppression happening in their cities and towns, it’s complete silence. And then we get videos like this.
No one is forcing vegans to speak out about *anything*, and if videos like yours are the angle the conversation goes about the deep-rooted racism in America, I’d honestly rather people educate themselves before saying anything at all.
Couldn't have said it better myself
I got the impression that she would agree with your statement about comparing black people and animals. That's almost exactly what she said in her video.
@@zuzanadrapalova2146 yeah.... i wonder how a lot of the people in the comment would feel revisiting this video 5 months later. But I understand this upset a lot of people, so I don't expect them to give her another chance or anything..
@@HelloKittysFriend418 Okay, it's later and she's still not asking for another chance. Matter of fact, she's made another video to double down on this one.
So it's ok for a vegan channel to talk about Dramageddon, family bloggers, the Stauffers, ... Why not institutionalized racism? Why not use your platform, your reach to make a change? I have seen channels that usually post Harry Potter Theories speak up about BLM. So why can't a channel who fights for abolition of animal cruelty fight for the abolition of cruelty against humans?
Where's your video on BLM then?
@@kevinkibble8342 there's a difference between a person with NOT a considerable audience base and one with reach.
Thank you
But the movement is based on a falsehood..
@@George-bb9kr elaborate please? What movement? BLM?
This is really disappointing. You have spoken up about child abuse and the importance of their internet privacy, why hesitate to talk about this? It makes you sound like a privileged “woke” white liberal that lives in an extremely white “we don’t see color” community. Please read more about these issues. No one is saying black and white brains are different and that comment came off very condescending. Another comment perfectly said: vegans wouldn’t want a non vegan leading their movement. So how is this any different?
I agree with everything you're saying, but I think the difference between the vegans/non-vegans and black people/white people distinction is that non-vegans probably don't really care about the vegan cause, otherwise they'd be vegan - that's something they can change. We can't, however, change our skin colour, but still be 100 % supportive of the black lives matter movement. If you get what I'm saying. I think a better comparison would be that you wouldn't want a man leading the feminism movement
Veganism is a choice. Skin colour is not.
because it’s something that affects her - which is really selfish to only care about issues that affect you. she cares about child abuse cuz she’s emotional and loves her own kids but can’t extend any empathy outside of her own life experience/perspective. and THAT is what makes her a not good person
@@viella9887 Look up Nukazeus Ihe kinda disproves your point...
ikr. I feel like she's purposefully misunderstanding these things. I mean she wouldn't want a man to make decisions about abortion. Even if women agreed with those decisions. Ultimately the decisions should be made by the people who are most affected by a certain issue. It's about giving the affected group agency over their own lives. Black people wouldnt have agency if white people are making these decisions for them. Even if those decisions were logical.
It is a tremendous privilege to be able to choose to be non-interesectional in advocacy. BIPOC vegans cannot make that choice. No one in the movement is telling White people not to speak about it, what they are saying is: be informed before you speak- help by informing members of your own community, be mindful about how you communicate about BIPOC issues in all spaces that you inhabit, and to do the work of racial justice to decolonize your mind. The only risk to White people who are moving towards being anti-racist allies is that they will get it wrong. Getting things wrong, learning why they are wrong, accepting responsibility and making the change is very good for growth in all advocacy. The point that you were confused about re:Black space is not about having an anti-white space it’s about having a space where Black people can be safe and help their communities without having to be concerned about white guilt. There are organizations that have majority white and non Black POC that work with BIPOC lead groups SURJ is one. The point is to show up and support the cause in the way those who are directly affected need and want the help. It means make advocacy about the cause and not the ally. Intersectionality works it just takes a lot of effort, time, and work. If you don’t want to do that and you only want to have a single issue advocacy just know that it is a choice and that choice is made possible by the benefits provided by the privilege of being white in a white supremacist society.
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puh - reach
Thankyou for being better at explains this that me!
LadyJadite this was a really excellent and thorough response.
@Mary O what do you mean about black conservatives and white privilege? Why don't you think why privileged is a thing and would you care to elaborate on your point of black conservatives? Im thinking along the lines of Candace Owens and blexit, which I find very interesting and has insteresting pints to consider
I’m so confused by this video. I don’t understand what point you’re trying to get across.
‘I have internalized white supremacy; and I don’t want to be called out for it”, is the only thing I am hearing.... hard to concentrate with all the dog whistles.
@@cproteus Dog whistles! 😅
Summary: if you eat cheese, you're a psychopath and if your life is in danger, talk to the hand.
She's reacting to people calling her a racist because she didn't publish a separate video on her channel about BLM.
Edit: spelling
Swayze - this video is the definition of 'I don't see colour'. Please read a book on anti racism.
You need to read on book on anti-cult movement...Sad to see most Americans are easily brain-washed by this right wing conducted anti-white cult
@@danielliu9616 agreed and on top of this there are blacks that have varying opinions on this matter too but the media pushes one agenda and it is just to divide us and get votes.
Keep hearing about Swayze, but I can’t find any UA-camr named just swayze.
@@litgirlablaze3432 Thats her name.
@@danielliu9616 I am not from the US
Took the L on this video, hard.
She also took the L on my supporting her
Did you even watch the whole video
@@nocause5395 unless she straight up denounces herself from the first half this video is an L and i have watched enough of her videos to know she won't
@@nocause5395 Sure did and my point stands.
Sorry what is L?
Intersectionality isn’t about being nice? It’s about recognising that the same exploitative systems are at the root of many injustices from police brutality to animal exploitation to the destruction of our life support systems. It’s about recognising our common goals and uniting against structural violence. We cannot hope to end any form of exploitation without tackling systemic inequality and violence.
thank you! yes! It is so clear to so many vegans that capitalism is the biggest threat to animal liberation, and this is the same for the liberation of all oppressed groups. our economy relies on unpaid labour as it also relies on the commodification of and violence to sentient animals, and so many other unjust things! intersectionality or bust!
You said this better than I could! We see proof that people can be discriminated against multiple reasons every day. The fact that it’s black/POC trans women that get killed more than other groups in the LGBTQIA community is one. The fact that Hispanic/slanting women get paid less than all other groups is another.
Leah Chochinov how about we don’t compare animals to people of color. Eating animals is not genocide. It’s not enslavement. It’s not oppression.
This is pretty much why I think intersectionality is misguided. I understand the argument that some forms of injustice have a lot of reach, but that itself is increadably vague when you just generalize from there. Leading to systems being judged unfairly without considering the problem they were supposed to solve in the first place. Its a philosopy that tries to explain everything and thus ends up explaining nothing.
Otto Intersectionality was conceptualized by Kimberle Crenshaw. I would read her book if you want to understand it better. She wrote about it as a black, lesbian women to explain her experience.
And didn't you just post a video this week about the people who "rehomed" their adopted child?
You speak on many things unrelated to veganism because you see them as wrong. The reason you're a vegan is because you believe animal agriculture and exploitation is wrong, right?
So you have a stance based on an injustice you see and yet you make a video like this saying that vegans don't have to talk about what's going on because they choose to focus on veganism.
The fact that there's any resistance from someone who speaks out on so many other injustices they see says it all.
Maybe I am just uninformed but as an Latino, atheists and part of the lgbt community, I don't need everyone to talk about the struggles that I maybe have, it sound selfish to me that someone just have to talk about your issues and if not, hes just a bad person.
No, it doesn't say it all. She said she supports the cause (on her Twitter for example).
@@unapersonav1522 That's true but you also don't need them to make a telling you that they don't need to speak on it. Just remain silent and keep it moving.
@@ellax325 I agree with you.
I just don’t understand how the person who called out Hannah McNeely for being tone deaf (when she said people in food deserts should order from Thrive Market) could make this video. Yikes. This is worse.
tiredapplestar much worse
Christina A Agreed.
Exactly my thoughts? I thought this video would go in the complete opposite direction from the title. I am so dissapointed.
Yup
"That's a rather privileged position." Yes, so is not feeling the need to be outspokenly non-racist and not supporting black lives matter. Supporting black lives matter isn't saying other issues aren't important, it's saying can we focus on and fix THIS issue right now. You can be concerned about multiple things at a time, not just 1 issue which people use as an argument at times to not go vegan. Black people have been oppressed for hundreds of years. Would I like to see similar movements for Native Americans, US territories, Latinos, etc? Yes, but that cannot happen until we can address our history, stop comparing struggles (they are all valid but DIFFERENT IN CONTEXT), and target eliminating oppression in stages starting with BLM. How can we fight for animal liberation when black people are systemically oppressed? Part of why I went vegan to begin with was because of intersectionality. As a Latinx, I faced a lot of personal ridicule of being white-washed for going vegan and a sell-out to my race. There is a sociocultural bias within and against veganism. Race matters because denying race or saying you "don't see color" is denying a person's experiences BECAUSE of their skin color. If you want to spread your vegan message, maybe a good way to do that is supporting BLM in solidarity that can show people veganism is more holistic, not just a diet, and will entice people to join. I'd want to be on the side of people who stand for what I stand for, not bystanders. Also, defund the police is NOT just getting rid of all police and having anarchy. Defund the police is about repurposing that money in PREVENTING criminality via specialized work just like healthcare invests in preventative care. The cofounder of BLM has info on what defunding the police really means. For anyone interested, also check out Veganism in an Oppressive world by Julia Bruek.
Fix what issue?
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This was SO beautifully said!! I really hope Swayze reads this
This is an incredible response
Instead of asking "why do I need to speak out against racism?" it's better to ask "why am I uncomfortable publicly supporting Black Lives Matter?" or "why do I feel it's important for me to stay silent?" Bringing up the fact that vegans have not historically spoken up about global issues of racism or oppression, nor have been pressured to do so, feels like a distraction and a bit of an excuse. Instead of the take away being that it's okay for vegans to stay silent, maybe we should think about the ways that vegans can be better allies to human rights. "Human rights organizations don't support animal rights" is not a good excuse either.
I think Mama Doctor Jones did a really good job of supporting Black Lives Matter while staying on topic for her videos by doing a video specifically on how race impacts maternal infant mortality. It wasn't performative at all because it was the exact type of thing she regularly makes videos on. An analogous video for vegan channels could be trying food from black owned companies, or talking about the massive issues with racism with the vegan community.
Swayze's silence would have been alright, I guess - but 30 min video of "Why should i have to :((((" is a middle finger.
This is so eloquently put. Exactly.
another really good topic would be how race and slaughter house work intersect. that we push people in lowest caste of society into this horrendous industry.
Agreed
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This bih really said “race doesn’t matter” does she live in the real world ???
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She lives in an echochamber. I swear these “liberal” cities are highkey racist
Look at all these white people in the comments trying so hard to pretend they're not racist. Smh
Only in relation to the *capacity* to formulate policy.
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the police certainly does see color, color matters to the police, criminal justice system does see color as well
and THAT’S why it is important to speak up and support black lives
pretending like racism doesn’t exist because it doesn’t concern you is so selfish and privileged
At what point did she say she doesn't support it? Insert timestamp please.
I didn’t watch the whole vid, did she actually say she doesn’t see color?
lea no she didn’t
lea yes she did
@@lrtb19 Timestamp please. I'm trying to make sure I am not contributing to mass cancel culture. E.g. James Charles fiasco and such.
regarding your argument about any race can find a solution to police brutality i gotta say i think you’re misunderstanding it. As a black woman it’s important to me that we elevate black voices on black issues. A collation regarding black issues not ran by black people is often times confused as to what black issues are. Of course it’s important to have white people there, but but they should be listening to understand what we are saying what we are fighting for, and not necessarily trying to speak for us.
THIS!
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Yeah... This is where she lost me. I hope she can get a bit more informed on this and change her mind on this issue, and realise how patronising it can come across. She used to eat 10 bananas a day so she's been known to change her mind once or twice.
This 100%.
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I disagree, i approach veganism as an expression of being as compassionate as possible to other living beings, and the black lives matter movement is about showing compassion to the most oppressed group in our nation. Of course it fits with the vegan message! I think if you say you are "vegan for the animals" but skirt around BLM and act like that we dont need to be talking about it, its misguided in my view.
Very well said!
yes! preach! I’ve been thinking the same thing, compassion is the whole reason I’ve went vegan, so it’s strange to me that there are so many intelligent and compassionate vegans who don’t seem to care :/
I think a movement can only have so much attention and support thrown at it until there starts to be diminishing returns. Sending money to the victims isn't going to change laws, posting a black square on instagram doesn't save lives...
I have to disagree with you as well, if as a vegan someone is expected to openly shpw activism for the black lives matter movement then its going to be expected for them to be activists for other movements of the sort and they won't have a clear focus. If someone wants to be an activist on one issue let them.
@@ganasde65 but speaking out publicly en masse is the only way something can be done. So when a person with a platform larger than your average Joe doesn't say anything, it's an issue
"The colour of your skin doesn't matter when it comes to policies" -
ah, so you think it's a mere coincidence that when rich white men decide on policies, those policies tend to serve rich white men.
Some policies serve the rich. You'll find men and women are served by them as well as minorities. You can tell this is the case because many minorities outperform white people as a group. The laws in the US sure worked for me and my family.
@@grantcivyt The overall trend matters, not the exceptions.
It's still great if you're doing well, but don't forget the ones that couldn't.
@@riotgrrrl8807 The exceptions are the majority. Immigrants that come to the US do exceedingly well. It's important to disentangle the difficult cases to understand what's causing challenges. It turns out that out of wedlock births are a serious predictor of negative outcomes. That's totally unsurprising because two people are better than one, and it's nothing to do with race except in correlation.
I want everyone to live life on their terms, but that means I can't be held responsible for their actions. Often, bad outcomes stem from bag decisions.
I hold my views on this specifically because I don't forget about those less fortunate.
The point she's making here is that tons of non-black people support progressive social policies that will benefit and have benefited black people when enacted. I realize that this comment is 6 months old, but damn that's one Hell of a strawman argument.
@@blueveins3238 I felt compelled to respond here. People support progressive social policies that *aim* to benefit black people (and others). Whether they achieve those aims is really at the heart of the conversation.
The way she says “they feel like” when describing the objective things black ppl face??
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Which black people? Certainly not black conservatives like Candace Owens, Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell, Brandon Tatum, and so on. The far-left doesn't speak for all black people.
Omygod so you literally can't use any pronouns for a community?! I wouldn't be surprised if this century ends with the end of all pronouns.
as a compassionate and moral human being, yes, everyone should vocally support BLM. it’s not even an arguable point, in my opinion.
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They don't have to do it all the time. That would be exhausting. Seriously, even black people want to take breaks.
But she IS speaking up about it. She supports it. What's y'all problem? She's sharing links. She said all this
Of course it's arguable, Roland Fryer (a black economist) has done the more rigorous work on this, and found no racial bias in officer involved shootings, the most extreme use of force. However, officers are more likely to rough up black suspects. So BLM's central contention, that it's open season on police killing black people, is not uncontroversial in the scientific literature. There is much to praise in BLM, for instance the focus on police corruption, and its nonviolent nature. But there is room for reasonable disagreement.
I kinda understand what you are saying but I think that the “race doesn’t matter”, “were all equal” or “I don’t see color” argument is a very dated way of thinking. It is important now for everyone to be loud and clear about black rights and systematic racism
I hope Swayze reads this. To piggy back off of this, just because many people might view race this way doesn’t mean a lot of other people do as well. A big part of all of this is voicing your support and educating those who are close minded on their views of POC and their actual day to day treatment from those that hold those racial biases.
It's really bad. It "color blind" and it's more hurt full then you would think.
Eric Eveland I can guarantee none of the 15 POC that killed other POC killed them because of the color of their skin. The issue is that people are being unfairly arrested and killed because OF THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN.
You totally missed the context she mentioned this in. Everyone here is trying to isolate sentences she said just to find something to feel butthurt about
LNY takes a lot more than a UA-cam video to debunk systemic racism especially since there have been so many case studies on it. You watch biased UA-cam videos to fit your narrative so you can say racism doesn’t exist.
For me as a Black person I don't have the freedom to pick and choose. I was a POC long before I became vegan. All I ask for is support not a handout or for allies to divert their attention from their cause. I have seen white vegans not support BLM but will use it as a prop for their message. If you're not going to help me then PLEASE don't hurt me. A Black Space is a place for Black people to be comfortable without having to cater to or make adjustments. Many of us have to hold our breath while navigating predominantly White spaces. The problem with the activists in Black communities is not just coming off as out of touch. Many of these areas are food deserts, many Africans were predominantly plant based and now their only family recipes are meat based and derived during slavery. I had to work hard to show my family how to veganize our own recipes and respecting our history. Many Black families are more worried about making ends meet and staying alive which makes some vegan activist seem frivolous. TLDR: Many want to help but barge in with assumptions and expectations based on their own experience vs listening and learning.
People can be against racism without supporting that particular organization. What is really disappointing to me is how so many people here in the comments don't seem to understand what that organization is actually about. Or the bigger picture of what is actually going on in the US. People blindly go along with the herd, and do whatever the controlled mainstream media manipulates them to do.
@@LiveMercifully can you please explain what 'the bigger picture is'? Please share your expert knowledge because the rest of us are apparently unable to think for ourselves...
Put perfect. she really frustrated me here and revealed what was unexpected to me, and I’d assume very hurtful to her black audience.
@@liberty6550 Thank you! I was surprised but glad to see this video pop up in my feed. She does such a great job researching facts and concepts for the vegan videos but didn't do that for this one. Many of us just want those that don't know to look into these issues, create dialogue and learn. The more we all know the better.
Hurt you? Who ever threatened to hurt you here? Nobody. Stop thinking the world is all about you and your race. Dont seek violence with cops and you'll be fine, like literally.
"this is a vegan channel" didn't you make a whole half-hour video on animal crossing? and another half-hour video on puzzles? the math doesn't add up chief...
Maybe I am just uninformed but as an Latino, atheists and part of the lgbt community, I don't need everyone to talk about the struggles that I maybe have, it sound selfish to me that someone just have to talk about your issues and if not, hes just a bad person.
LMFAO
Also humans are animals and vegans advocate for animal rights so there is literally no reason not to support that humans deserve to be treated like humans
Nobody is forcing her to stick up for blm, but making a whole video about why she thinks she shouldn’t is really insensitive to everyone hurting right now. She should have just said nothing...
xTatlTaelx very strange
Yup!!!
I seem to have interpreted her message quite differently than you then, because I don't see this video being about why she shouldn't have to talk about racism. I think her point was, that she shouldn't be expected to talk about racism as a vegan, but instead as a person. In which I agree.
truthsetsyou4ree I have no interest in anything you have to say, thank you.
was really nobody asking her to say something about it? i don't know it, but it's hard to believe that nobody asked or put pressure on her to make a video, since it's a common thing people do. the point is that you shouldn't expect it from someone who doesn't normally speak about this specific topic, just to be disappointed when that person doesn't say exactly what you want to hear. she still did it, maybe because she gave in to the pressure or maybe because she likes to discuss. either way, she's allowed to have a opinion. although i can see the irony when she criticises that girl for saying things that will upset people and at the same time she doesn't realise (?) she's doing the same.
Yeah, I still care more about humans than chickens. It's really hard to take someone seriously when they say I should be moved by the plight of a fish but then they're clearly annoyed by people bringing up the plight of fellow humans. Does anyone need to comment on everything in the world? No. But when it's marching right down your street, silence feels like its own message and it's not a positive one.
God this! Completely agree
Yep 100% agree. Some vegans almost put themselves on the ethical high ground. So, I would expect vegans to be more empathetic and supportive of anti-racism initiatives. UV stance makes me feel that she cares about animals more than human beings.... Especially human beings that have been historically marginalised, silenced and oppressed. Where is her empathy now? Where is her compassion? Very disappointed tbh
Nailed it!
I agree with you so much! Maybe I shouldn’t have been surprised after her response to Lindsay Ellis’ Woke Disney video, but this is honestly heartbreaking.
I hope she reads this message and really takes the time to reflect on this.
As a Black person in Minneapolis fighting on the frontlines... I don't have the energy to say much right now. But as a supporter of your channel and someone who has a deep appreciation for you, I need to speak up. A lot of the comments have beautifully summarized similar thoughts that I have had (thank you), but when you said, "...race doesn't matter in policy" and "...you don't have to be Black to come up with the best solution..." I have to say WHAT?! You discuss the importance of experiences, but somehow don't connect that those experiences and voices ABSOLUTELY *MUST* be involved when generating a solution. I don't care how "woke" a white/non-Black person is or how much experience they have within the Black community, they will *NEVER* obtain the Black perspective, and that Black perspective IS what is needed to make a proper solution for problems WE as a community are facing - and should be the CENTER of those decisions. When you said those things... it truly felt dismissive and silencing and oh so privileged - I am beyond disappointed by this video.
COLOR DOES MATTER IN A SOCIETY THAT WAS BUILT ON RACISM AND THERE ARE DIFFERENCES IN ARE BRAINS BECAUSE OF THIS: RESEARCH GENERATIONAL TRAUMA AND POST-TRAUMATIC SLAVE DISORDER. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY THE EXPERIENCES WE HAVE IN OUR DIFFERENT PIGMENTS MAKES. US. DIFFERENT. PERIOD.
Thank you for this comment.
@@oliviawebster4201 No American alive today was a slave at any point in their lives.
Please attempt to explain how black perspective translates to policy decisions in a way that non-black interpretations of data can't. Your comment contains lots of feelings, but unfortunately not much thinking.
@@lollll9932 Intepreting data leads to vastly different conclusions based on a person's set of morals and their existing information frameworks. Who has the best interests of black communities at heart? Who knows what it's like to live in a socially and economically marginalized black community? The Black people who sympathize and identify with those communities and have first hand information of the social problems. Your comment sounds very ignorant.
“Anyone can come up with the best way or the best policies”
No. They can’t. Part of this problem is that white experience is so different from black experience. Whites have a long history of creating well-meaning policies that are harmful to BIPOC
THANK YOU. I know what she is trying to say but she needs to humble herself. She does not really understand how to be an ally here.
Lmao shes all "I dont see color! America is free!" Yah whatever Karen. You look whiter saying that than your skin makes u look.
It’s the same reason you need black people and gay people and women in writers rooms, you can’t speak accurately on things that you haven’t experienced. And yeah “anyone could come up with a solution” including a black person so why not amplify their voices in the one movement that is about them where historically black people don’t have the chance to be at the top of things and make decisions that create change?
George Floyd was murdered about 3 miles from my home. I don’t want anything like that to ever happen again. Minneapolis police chief Arradondo is a cop who has sued the MPD for racial bias. He’s got a list of things he wants to do to fix stuff like this in the police force. He’s black, yes, but the reason he knows what’s going to work is also because he’s a cop, and a decent human being. He’s identified the Federated Union and it’s power as a hurdle to creating any system that disciplines cops by forcing corrections through arbitration. Arbitration is a union negotiated road block to demoting racist cops. We’re not going to fix this without addressing that.
This stuff isn’t sexy. It’s got none of the white self-flagellation and righteous bullying that y’all are indulging in. It’s details. Boring, technical details. It’s not going to be fixed by people who have one race versus another. It’s going to be fixed by people who take the time they MIGHT spend virtue signaling by trash talking vegans like Swayze and redirect it to understand how cops end up killers.
With comments like these, I’ve got no faith any of you are going to fix anything.
THIS!
I’m a woman of color who subscribes to you, and I have to say this video was pretty disappointing. Other commenters have given similar feedback, so I’d just like to rebut here the argument you make about 20:00 or so:
I certainly see where you’re coming from with regard to the argument that a person’s race doesn’t in and of itself make them an authority on race-related issues, and the argument on its face makes sense. However, anti-police brutality and anti-PIC groups *should* be led by black and brown people, who suffer the most oppression under these systems of power. Experiential knowledge counts for something (a lot, in fact), and I would argue that your elevation of so-called expertise and logic over experiential knowledge is eurocentric, and more than a little dismissive.
The postcolonial philosopher Gayatri Spivak made a rebuttal to an argument similar to the one you make here: “I will have in an undergraduate class, let’s say, a young, white, male student, politically-correct, who will say: “I am only a bourgeois white male, I can’t speak.” ... I say to them: “Why not develop a certain degree of rage against the history that has written such an abject script for you that you are silenced?” ... From this position, then, I say you will of course not speak in the same way about the Third World material, but if you make it your task not only to learn what is going on there through language, through specific programmes of study, but also at the same time through a historical critique of your position as the investigating person, then you will see that you have earned the right to criticize, and you will be heard.”
In other words, I agree with your basic assertion that white people can have valuable contributions to this conversation, but they have to have done their homework. Unfortunately, I think you’ve been skipping class here.
Your assertion that it is racist to identify a psychological different between the minds of black people and of white people is especially curious to me, as there is a long history of black writers writing about the psychological effects and reifications of their oppression (see Dubois on “double consciousness” and “Concerning Violence” by Frantz Fanon, himself a psychiatrist).
I enjoy your videos because of how thorough they are, how you break down and discuss supporting evidence for your claims. I can’t help but notice that you don’t seem to have much supporting evidence or theory in this video. I would encourage you to interrogate why that is.
Very well said! 👏🏾
Okay this exactly this! I’m black (not vegan but working towards it slowly-because of her videos), and I loved her videos because of the research she did to get to her conclusion. And she really missed on this one, I never thought she had to speak on BLM, but because of her moral standing on her channel I wrongfully assumed that she would just get it. Unfortunately that’s not the case, and I think you summed up some of the exact disconnects that she has wonderfully. Much love!
Perfect comment! And wonderfully said. I really like seeing people being held to account by people who like them and know they can do better. Because I know Swazye can do better but this was... a really jarring video to see from her. Really disappointing.
@Rosemary Terra It's hard not to perpetuate your own dismay when the culture tells you it's all you're capable of (to quote the person you're replying to, "see Dubois on “double consciousness” and “Concerning Violence” by Frantz Fanon"). I remember reading a study where girls played chess against boys. When they didn't know the gender of their opponent, they performed normally. When they were told their opponent was a boy, the girls performed poorer than before. When they were *reminded that there is a stereotype that girls aren't good at chess, they performed the worst*. Individually, we like to think we're the arbiters of our own destiny. But the words of other people seep into our minds in ways we don't even see until we look at the results collectively. And until society stops perpetuating stereotypes about Black people being "less than" in any number of ways, it just won't be a level playing field (on the whole, of course every individual is different) because the evidence shows us that we are more likely to perform poorly when other people believe we will.
As Mao said, 没有调查，就没有发言权 ("No Investigation, No Right To Speak")
Some vegans are offended by vegans talking about BLM, but literally make gossip videos, which has nothing to do with veganism.
John Smith 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
which ones? I'm trying to see
@@cyberdaria You're looking right at her
And animal crossing..
Yvett Noemi ................Swayze.
The reasons this is a bad take that displays both a shocking lack of empathy and also an alarming amount of privilege have been eloquently put dozens of times in this comment section already, so I won't bother saying them all over again. I will say: gross. Absolutely gross. Unsubscribed, blah blah blah, but also, this really changed how I see you. Attempting to logic your way out of giving a damn about the well being of your neighbors, actual humans in your community, is not compassionate. It's wretched, and it makes me sad.
If you care enough about the well being of animals to build every aspect of your life around doing minimal harm, to build a career based on advocating for the cessation of their abuse, but not enough about the daily, inhumane suffering of the people in your own community to even speak up, that says it all. A breathtaking act of callousness.
Absolutely disgusting.
"logic your way out" - isn't that called reasoning?
agreed
lol bye
the fact that she puts her hands out and shrugs her shoulders at 5:52 saying “am i gonna make a video about george floyd? no...that’s just not what my channel is about” is HORRIBLE. So disappointed at her lack of acknowledgement of her own privilege.
I think it is wrong that Westerners don’t talk about issues like the complete destruction of the Middle East and the demonisation of Muslims, you’re right about that. But staying silent about something like the oppression of Black people doesn’t solve that. Therefore, I don’t understand your argument. Doing multiple wrong things or one wrong thing is still wrong either way.
Such a good point. I'm glad you brought it up.
Where is the oppression of Black people?
@@George-bb9kr Just stfu.
There is a lot of privilege in being able to choose our causes. Many people don't have that option, the cause is chosen for them and they have to fight for their lives. I can choose which to focus on because there is nothing threatening me at the moment, nor has there been growing up. So we should use that privilege, not necessarily to support one specific cause just because people want us too, but to make the most impact, to support the causes that can do the most good. BLM is a cause worth supporting.
Perfectly said
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Anyone that thinks otherwise is not worth following. How is this even up for debate?!
Hi there. Following your argument, isn't the same privilege used by us the moment we choose to support this cause, but not, for instance, the one following the humanitarian crisis in Yemen where children are starving, the war in Syria, police brutality in South Africa? It is good to support the BLM movement, but please realize that it is, in a way, also a 'privilege" and a choice. Let us try to relativize for a moment. Why is the world soo caught up in American politics? My only question is, we are seeing global marches in solidarity with the American people. And that's great. But why America? There's soo much injustice at the hands of governments globally, and the reaction from the global community is not this united. So why America?
Why do you think you had the ability to choose at all?
also there is plenty of ppl whose life is at risk who prefer to fight for animal rights rather than their own..
i’ve been run over by cars more than twenty times and once by a bus, i’m not particularly a anti car activist, at least not for that reason, it’s mostly for eco reasons..
i got put in a community home by a judge and some social workers, and there i got raped and nearly killed 3 times.. i’m not particularly an anti abusive judgement activist..
I feel...disappointed. You brought up a couple good points but they could've been expressed in a much more logical and less dismissive way. It was clear also you didn't understand some of the points being made in regards to BLM which is fine but then...do some basic research first to cover your bases before making a 30 minute long video? I'm not even completely sure what some of the points you made were about and I watched the whole thing
first time you've really disappointed me..."race doesn't matter"..."this is about one person George Foyld".....no...cringey. if you didn't know what to say but wanted to voice support, a statement of support and links to Bipoc youtubers or places to donate would have been more appropriate. Maybe asking others to point you in the right direction would have appeared like you were open to listening. This video was....wrong. And tone deaf. hm. I'm sad now. Could not watch to the end.
“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.” -Bishop Desmond Tutu.
Maybe I am just uninformed but as an Latino, atheists and part of the lgbt community, I don't need everyone to talk about the struggles that I maybe have, it sound selfish to me that someone just have to talk about your issues and if not, hes just a bad person.
Una Persona:v “All that is required for evil to flourish is that good people do nothing.” So do nothing, if that’s you.
@@ikemreacts well literally everyone do that, I'm not against black lives matter, what I'm against is seeing people, saying racist to unnatural vegan for not wanting to talk about the theme. And I'm not ok with things that she said like the black groups only for blacks. That type of groups are good.
beautiful quote
Except someone people don't have a lot of racial diversity in their country. Hence, why should we all pay so much attention BLM? There are lots of problems all over the world, I don't have time to cry over all of them. Just because I don't support BLM it doesn't mean I am racist, it is just racism isn't a thing in the environment I live in. Do I think people are doing the right thing by trying to fight it? Of course. It's just I am not going to get involved because I have my own problems. Most Americans don't give a shit about the issues in many other countries either.
This video is weak sauce. I wonder if you would ask why any other movement focused on a cause that affects a group of people disproportionately needs to be led by memebers of that group. I highly doubt that you would ask why a movement for women's rights in the work place for example would need to be lead by women and how women would have better insights on sexism and better ideas on how it should be combated. Diverse views and disagreement amongst black people on systematic racism are not a license to center the perspectives of white people when white people's perspectives being constantly elevated and floating to the top in every forum is the reason we are here. You didn't think about this enough.
Also, the question in the title is redundant. Everyone should talk about black lives matter. But not everyone should be leading the discourse and activism in a movement that was founded by black people for black people. Especially if they just decided it was worth talking about this month after seeing the George Floyd video and not all the other times similar videos have gone vital. That 'colour doesn't matter' in a movement that is centred around fighting white supremacist state violence in a white supremacist country is embarrassing tbh.
100 percent agree with you, you phrased this way better than I could have. Thank you for saying this.
I especially loved when she "Hey guys there's a pandemic going on" in that condescending voice. No shit sherlock. We know. Thats why I agonized over whether or not to protest and wrestled with which pandemic scared me more, racism or covid.
I wanted to leave a similar comment but this is better than anything I would have written.
I agree and I think having those who are oppressed leading the movement is empowering and avoids the white savior trope.
If you think people are going to stop treating nonhuman animals with any kind of dignity before we overcome racism I have bad news for you.
THIS
There are so many anti-discrimination laws that exist
japyivy and? Racism still exists. End of discussion.
Agreed
I was gonna say the same thing. UV really missed the mark with this video, so disappointed.
She really said ALL protests matter
RIght?
Like babe, no. Just no.
This is a terrible let down. Choosing to 'stay in your activism lane' is such nonsense, if you aren't turning out for this you're trash. This whole video is very self indulgent, you should've listened to and amplified Black voices. Very disappointing
For a out-of-control mouvement in the middle of a pandemic?
I believe advocacy is best left to those who freely choose to advocate for their cause. This current movement includes an alarmingly sizable amount shame rage and righteous intolerance. “If you aren’t turning out for this, you’re trash.” I don’t want people supporting my cause because they’re afraid of being called trash if they don’t. Are you afraid that, if you don’t call others trash for not showing up for this cause, someone is going to think *you’re* trash? For not doing something? Is posting disparaging comments helping the cause? How?
Ignore the trolls in these replies to your comment. It's obvious that "turning out" doesn't have to mean physically and anyone who thinks the BLM movement is not supported by data is being willfully ignorant.
“Why not Chinese lives? Why not Peruvian lives?” It’s clear you don’t understand colorism or anti blackness in these communities. In our world history we have destroyed black countries and communities and those countries and communities are still trying to recover. Black people are so unsafe when travel to nonblack countries because these countries are sooo anti black.
As a Peruvian who does a lot of activism work for my latinx community (im a highly effective educator working with communities or color in need) I’m still BLM. And I also recognize how anti black Latinos are. I can still and SHOULD support both causes because I benefit from my nonblackness
Which non-black countries? If you are talking about European countries... non-black is a thing of the past. (Except Hungary).
baum7des7lebens7 where is non black a thing of the past? I am sorry but as a black person living in Europe, and not specifically in Hungary, I have to strongly disagree.
Why not? Because people are only outraged by what social media tells them they should be outraged by
@@baum7des7lebens7 where are you from? Because you have definitely not travelled around Europe if this is your stance
this video just felt like an "all lives matter" essay. maybe thats not what was meant to be communicated but when you immediately bring up the oppression of other groups of people you are literally making a direct attempt to direct attention away
This... is an extremely disappointing video. I highly encourage you to hold yourself accountable and take the time to really educate yourself. There are endless (and I mean endless) resources written by Black people about these topics. I highly recommend "Me and White Supremacy" by Layla F Saad, "Are Prisons Obsolete?" by Angela Davis, and "Why I'm No Longer Talking To White People About Race" by Renni Eddo-Lodge for starters, but there are webinars, podcasts, documentaries along with thousands more books. (including many written for children) If you listened to Black people talk about their histories and experiences, you'd know why this is such an important movement that everyone has the responsibility to be engaged with in every aspect of our lives. (esp white people, as we directly benefit from/perpetuate/protect white supremacy that is so deeply ingrained in every institution) And why we need to specifically center and listen to Black people.
This isn't political - it's a human rights issue.
Will you listen to the non-human animals who are insulted by this pro-Animal-Holocaust group being included in vegan advocacy?
Wow, wasn't expecting this at all. Disappointing ! Should've said nothing
Agreed.... she spent 30 mins saying why people shouldn't have to talk out about blm , in that time she could've made a video about the very intersectionality she mentions - black vegans not feeling heard or welcome etc.
No this is good, she is showing us her real face. Time to unsubscribe
@@monicavanderbelt3935 Yes, I agree. It was a hard pill to swallow at first having felt that she had a better ability to apply intelligence to this situation but alas, white privilege.
If you've been subscribed to her for a while, you'll know this 'color-blind' and 'single-issue' approach of hers is not new. And she doubles down each time. This was my final straw, there are too many allies and Black vegans we could be supporting instead.
outherewildin' b This video should be career-ending for her.
I’m sorry....but all of this is going down during Pride Month. Someone who is gay could, conceivably, say “My work, my life, has been centered around LGBTQ+ issues. BLM isn’t really my wheelhouse, so I’m just gonna do pride things.” But we’re not doing that. We’re recognizing huge issues that requires MASSIVE systemic change, and we’re throwing in with BLM in order to get that change to happen. This is not about speaking your thoughts. This is about getting as many people to INFLUENCE the course of history as possible in as many ways as possible. We need people who can reach others to use that influence so we can get shit done. Because, ultimately, as much as the focus is on black lives, what the BLM movement is asking for is changes that would help EVERYONE. Therefore, everyone needs to care, everyone needs to do something. Because no lives matter until black lives matter.
Happy Pride and yes we LGBTQ+ are more united and solidarity than ever against all of these issues. It means a lot to me that my other half is supporting my exterior race. I’m a black LGBTQ+ person and this means a lot that we can come together and fight for equality. This isn’t a choice unlike what Unnatural Vegan said because this is my life and I’m LGBTQ+ and black so I fight for both regardless. Thanks so much.
Jalael Edwards ABSOLUTELY! We’re in this together, we’re gonna kick some ass together
Actually an lgbtq person claiming to owe nothing to black people and cultures is false. Disco, drag queens, general terminology and the concept of “cool” were all things that became appropriated by white people within the gay community. There is still a ton of anti-black and Asian sentiment on online “dating” profiles where people write “no blacks (or Asians)” or “light skin only”, and not just in the south.
The entire point of this video is that she thinks it’s a good idea for people to support BLM because they are good and moral people, not simply because they are vegans. Animal suffering is radically, radically different from the suffering of black Americans, so being vegan should not ipso facto require a discussion about BLM. Being a good person should. There are black gay people. There are not black animals. Therefore it makes sense for LGBT rights to be intersectional with BLM, but it makes no sense to require that veganism ipso facto support BLM.
i totally agree. injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. i’ll never be free until we all are free
It's kinda ironic that a lot of this video is dedicated to criticizing a confusing vegan post in social media post while being a confusing vegan post in social media
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Literally this
21:36 is reminding me a lot of this problematic phrase "I don't see colour" used by white people which essentially erases BIPOC voicing their experiences. To say 'colour doesn't matter' in a discussion of opportunities in America diminishes the struggles black people face because of systemic racism to hold positions of power. By dismissing race in this it disregards the privilege and power of the dominant racial group of society (white people). People want there to be black people at the forefront of policies and solutions of police brutality and inequality because as you said experience matters. It is not about the fact that all people can critically think of solutions, obviously, all people can adequately do that. It is because there are fewer opportunities for black people in these discussions though they are just as educated and capable as the white people in power.
It's basically like when abortion bans are passed by a room full of men and most people can understand why that's an issue.
this video in one quote: “i can tolerate racism but i put my foot down at animal abuse”
agreed - perfect way to summarize it, honestly combo of arrogance and ignorance is so unfortunate
There it is thats it
Thats exactly how she is, I recently gave her a 2nd chance and she literally just doubled down and is now spouting anti science shit she literally must havr lost either her mind or morals
@@ConstantChaos1Wow! Which video are you referring to?
@@hawdgeal arguing with trained professionals about the topic they are certified in like with Abbey sharp
@@ConstantChaos1 I just recently started watching her videos, I'm yet to watch something like this! Thank you for the heads-up
For you to talk about how black vegans feel excluded from the movement...while making a video about how obnoxious you find the expectation you care about black people is incredibly ironic. The real problem a lot of people have with vegans, particularly marginalized people, is that these folks will talk your ear off about the lives and happiness of pigs and fish and cows and then be quick to be disgruntled, bored or change the subject if you talk about suffering of marginalized people. I'm not going to pretend to be deeply emotionally hurt about dead clams to gratify a person that couldn't dedicate five minutes to my dead cousin.
As an African American vegan, I’m low key disappointed in this video.
Crystal Clark as a mixed black vegan... SAME
Same
I'm high key disappointed in her.
High key disappointed!!!
HIGH KEY disappointed. Also her saying “what about Chinese lives? What about Peruvian lives” does she not understand how these countries are incredibly anti black??? How colorism is a real issue? And I’m a Peruvian and a vegan and yes I support my latinx community but I also understand I have privileges that black peoples don’t? That as a nonblack poc I wil never understand what it means to navigate this life as a black person. And just because I’m for the education of success of my community and for the welfare of animals, that doesn’t mean I can’t support BLM. this video was so disappointing
so you really just made a 33-minute long video about why you shouldn’t have to speak up about blm on your biggest platform... when you literally could’ve just done the opposite. lmao. staying silent would’ve been the better move.
It's a yikes from me bro 🤭👆
Idk. Now we know where she stands. We can do with that what we want with we will.
People have been bullied about not talking about BLM. That is not right no matter what one thinks.
Silly of me to think a white vegan UA-camr wouldn’t eventually disappoint. Your video is so tone-deaf. Read the comments and unlearn you’re biases. I won’t echo what anyone else has already said, except that you’ve lost a supporter and I’ve lost all respect for you.
Yeah like 3K comment for 4K reaction is a totally normal ratio... She's being mob justiced, this video have probably been shared in groups to cancel her, probably 90% of the comment come from people who never saw her before and don't give a f*ck about animals
Idk if this is directed at me or not, and frankly I don’t care. I’ve followed her for quite some time but chose to unsubscribe to her channel after this shit. She’a not being mob justiced. She made a very ignorant post on a very public platform for people to see and comment on. What exactly did she think was going to happen? Previously she’s said that she doesn’t believe in intersectionalism and how white feminists had to stand on the feet of BIPOC women to get everyone voting rights. Like fuck off to the end of the universe with that line of logic. Secondly, she as a white American has a tremendous amount of privilege in being able to choose what she fights for, PoC people especially Black people don’t get to choose that. The reason she has such a tilted likes to dislikes ratio is because people do care about BLM and are calling bullshit on her entire stance. Contrary to what the internet might have you believe, it IS possible to care about BLM and also animal rights and welfare. Look at Jenna Marbles and Julien Solomita for proof.
@@GS-xj4st I posted a negative comment and I am someone who used to love her videos. Like a lot. She's the reason as to why I started to consider eating less meat in the first place! This video popped up in my notifications, watched it and thought it was a terrible take. Nobody is trying to take her down, everyone gave her constructive criticism...which she ignored.
this was really tone deaf, i'm sorry. saying you won't talk about george floyd (and the many other black people murdered by the police) because then you'd have to talk about syria, starving africans, and the like... i don't know, it leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. there are so many awful things happening in the world, many that you touched on, and while they are important, something can be done about police brutality and it can be done now. that's why the BLM movement is so important and why it needs to be talked about. this was a completely unnecessary take on your part, i'm disappointed
Yet during last year's bandwagon, none of the people posting their little black squares posted about Syria or starving Africans. So not sure I get your point. The outrage was incredibly selective.
Also, you don't have "police brutality" in countries like the US. Look how BLM rioters talk to cops, and the cops just stand there taking it. In Russia you'd be going home in a bodybag if you mouthed off at a cop like that. The US police are soft as shit.
I think that people pressure influencers to speak out about BLM because they want to know who they're really supporting. For example, I don't care how cute someone's makeup looks or fashion is, I can't support someone who does not care if I live or die. Same thing with friends, this week showed me a lot about the people I kept around me.
Thank you.
@@melaniexoxo if i support someone who has a large platform who says they support blm, even if its just for show, it does make a different because of the size of their audience. It would encourage a good ammount of people to speak up or eductate themselves or something like that.
I've unfollowed those who haven't mentioned anything, no matter how much I love their content and usual feed, I've chosen to unfollow.
@Mary O Cops aren't checking Black people's political party before shooting. BLM is about equal treatment no matter your skin color.
@@TinaB.elcher Roland Fryer (a black economist) found no racial bias in officer involved shootings, BLM's central contention - of there being open season on black people - is just not supported by the best evidence right now.
I’m honestly shocked that such an intelligent, science-driven, fact-touting person would upload such an uneducated and tone deaf video. This one really sucks to watch. I dont know how you came up with such a bad take, but yikes.
Mary A looks like the social justice cult members are outraged
She had a really horrible video about intersectionality a couple years ago, so I’m not surprised. She’s since deleted that video so I can’t link you to it but basically it was “why should I be obligated to promote human rights” or some shit. It was bad.
veritaseros ooooh nooooooo D;
I agree completely. I have agreed with her in the past on almost everything but this video was horrendous. Blatantly racist, and so ignorant.
Mary why though, the fact that someone is vegan should not mean they are experts on everything opression related. I’m vegetarian/vegan and idgaf about social issues, I generally dislike people as a whole, no matter their skin shade.
It’s like you didn’t even TRY to research anything about why people are protesting. I’m shocked at your ignorance and I hope you take the time and educate yourself. This was just... a mess.
This comment couldn't possibly be more ironic
i hate cherry picking activism.
So...every activism? Because you think BLM activists care about animals? NOPE.
@@ewidontlikeyou yes, clearly every single blm activist hates animals. there is absolutely no crossover with vegans and blm. every black person and person who cares about black people wants animals dead --
@@fortunamajor7239 Today the cows are eating a non GMO strawman so they can grow strong.
Maybe I am just uninformed but as an Latino, atheists and part of the lgbt community, I don't need everyone to talk about the struggles that I maybe have, it sound selfish to me that someone just have to talk about your issues and if not, hes just a bad person.
whaat? how can someone be an activist for everything? i hate performative, bandwagon activism
To say that you wouldn't make a video about blm because "this is a vegan channel" rubs me the wrong way, considering you've posted many non vegan related videos on your channel before. I've always really looked up to you, I've been vegetarian for 11 years, and went vegan a month ago. You've been one of my main inspirations for going vegan. And I know youve said in videos before that youre not an intersectional activist, but I think something like this is a bit different. Idk, personally I'm a kind of disappointed in your stance on the topic.
I saw a comment saying basically James Charles drama is okay if viewers are asking for it but BLM is too "off brand," like where's the lie lol
Mary O girl who said “kill black conservatives”?? black lives matter, ALL OF THEM. imagine thinking blm is an opinion...
She didn't say she wouldn't, she said she doesn't think everyone should be obligated to
Sorry but if you don’t understand how this work needs to be black led you are so painfully uneducated. Also Protesting and education are different and protesting (especially about race issues) in black communities without their input puts them in serious danger from the police and media
her saying that rubbed me the wrong way. We aren't animals that don't have a voice, the people who have lived experiences in this are the ones who are better equipped to impact real change.
i think she agrees that this cause definitely should have black voices, relevant voices, in order for there to be change in this. she just doesn't think it needs to be only black and that everyone can get involved
It wouldn't inevitably down out the voices of POC. If you just replace one group with another that isn't good enough. That isn't working together.
@@TheReducedsodium yes, that's exactly why there should be black voices involved. i don't think she is condoning whitesplaining or white people swooping in to "save" black people and become ignorant heroes. maybe she went a bit overboard on disagreeing with that slide but i generally agree with the common sense idea that it doesn't have to be only black people working for change. i don't think her argument is very significant, a crucial point, or mind-blowing in anyway. i just don't think it's controversial to think that people should be working together to solve this enormous issue. obviously we need black people because it involves them and their experiences. but other non-black people who care, want to help, have skills or good ideas don't have to be excluded. and i don't think they are being excluded lol i suspect that black people do want more people to care. they rightfully do sometimes have a hard time trusting others not like them but i don't think they want to exclude others from the conversation or effort. white people who do support BLM should also know that they won't ever really understand what it's like being black or anything that they are not because they are not black. and i'm seeing that many of them do get that.
If you believe someone is wrong about something, you will be very unsuccessful in changing their mind when you say things like, “Sorry but if you think (thing I don’t think) then you are painfully uneducated.” Being part of a movement means winning hearts and minds. Righteous intolerance plants the seeds of stubborn resistance. If you want to get into a self righteous brawl, you’re on the right track. But if you want to convince someone to look at things differently, with rhetoric like that, you’re going to fail.
“The only reason people wanna hear from people like me is because you trust me” this is from Dave Chappelle’s newest special or live show. That’s honestly how your followers feel about you. That’s why they want to hear from you. This is what your followers in this time of fear and distress need to hear from you: “You can trust me”.
You admit that black people often times don’t feel welcomed to the vegan community- do you think this video is helping that? Do you even care if they do!? Read the room.
I really respected your opinion on other matters bc it seems like you have a lot of compassion but it seems like in this video your compassion flew out the video as my respect for you. I’m sorry but veganism is movement against animal cruelty, so isn’t killings of black people by law enforcement not cruelty? Don’t know where your line of reasoning went but it seems like you took a detour and never found a way to the right answer. Your ignorance is showing.
The fact that you don’t deem it necessary to show support reveals a lot about you.
Sage Wave what wrong with wanting to end police brutality
Sage Wave You couldn’t care less because you’re just treating them like another statistic when they shouldn’t even have to die in that way or manner in the first place.
I kind of understand where she’s coming from in that she feels it gets diluted if we expect vegans or any and all activists to speak about BLM (does the same go the other way around, for example. Do we expect BLM to also speak out on all the other issues out there?). But I think she was way off in her comments about not understanding why black peoples should be at the forefront of amending laws and policies going forward.
I’m not even talking about The race component. It’s a HUMAN matter. And the fact that she feels she doesn’t need speak on it because “they wouldn’t speak on vegan issues” is very unsettling. Because at the end of the day, they’re humans too. Even she’s going to be affected by this whether she sees it or not.
As a Black person, I wish you had spoken to a Black person before posting this. Black people are forced to respond to racism because we have had no choice. Now it is time for White people to dismantle this system. So if you are an activist, you should speak out in support of Black lives. Because your silence is complicity. Being a good ally means you follow our lead and you give us space to use our voices; and don't continue to put your voice above ours. We have the best solutions because we experience racism. This entire post was basically the 30 minute equivalent of All Lives Matter and I am really disappointed.
This shit sounds so psychotic, like a literal cult holy shit its sickening
You make it sound as though racism is a one way street. White people are terrified to talk about race because of constantly being labelled 'racist' or 'white supremacist' or people talking to them about race in a very condescending way. We need to view individuals as people and remove race from the conversation. BLM protesters aren't doing that and BLM founders are Marxists using black people to further their own ideology.
Ellie I yes being called a racist is much worse than dying because of your race. That’s not ridiculous at all. Pretending like race isn’t apart of the conversation doesn’t erase the systems that are oppressing races. BLM protesters highlight race because people are being killed because of their race. We shouldn’t ignore the distinction of race in favor of making people comfortable. Please think.
@@pearoui7802 They aint getting killed because of their race, you have no evidence at all that this is happening.. its like are you serious? BLM protestors focus on 1% of their death rates when majority of the specific death rates is caused by other people of their same colour why not focus on a majority not a minority? Most of these specific cases are not even race related, they resist, they get killed its that simple thats the system.. sometimes its flawed of course it is..
@@George-bb9kr there is a ton of evidence that this is happening. There are studies on disproportionate deaths in police custody. The point of police reform is that the police should not be killing people. If this is so by the book then why do the cops constantly have to cover their asses and hide body cam footage?Many people resist arrest but mainly black people die from it and it’s seen as justified. Who are you to dictate that they aren’t race related when the statistics clearly show uneven death. And this is not 1% of the death rate and it is attached to other issues such as the disproportionate incarceration rates and the prison pipeline. The majority of death is health related not violence related and crimes are usually committed within the perpetrators own race so that really isn’t substantial. Normal crime happens what we are concerned with is institutional injustice. It is flawed a great deal of the time because it’s origins are flawed. You wanna ignore facts to help support your opinion but it just is not translating.
Also, acknowledging an issue as big as the current movement of protests for BLM doesn’t mean you exchange your activism or mellow it down. It means you acknowledge the personal that is woven in the political and all that you need to do better. Being vegan doesn’t necessarily make people animal rights activists or necessitate that. So I don’t understand that argument at all. You’ve complimented Jenna Marbles for making random videos while being vegan instead of advocating for animals. Clearly, acknowledgment of personal responsibility and education doesn’t mean advocacy.
I’m disappointed. I really am.
I'm really disappointed. I'm trying to finish this video so I can understand your point fully. I just feel alienated as a black woman watching this.
Shit im a white man and im kinda loosing respect for her
i understand where you are coming from
Amen. This seems very dismissive.
Ok, actually im sorry i have a medical condition that requires me not to get my bp up (internal bleeding) and this just keeps getting worse, can you please just tell me (if you can get through it) if it gets better or kinda just stays dogwhistely
She genuinely sounds like she doesnt care for BLM but doesnt want to lose her platform and sweet money so she doesnt say it outright. This is disguisting!!
The “I dOn’T sEe CoLoR” all throughout this is just yikes. Yikes on bikes even.
ok Karen
right?? like, are your eyes broken??
@@elyssa4159 Colors do not exist in this universe; they are emotions that you image within your neurons in brain. Colors are not facts, but dogmas. They have no value to be taken as an argument.
@r. s. How is she "white"?
Rakethetrees because although you may judge people based on character alone, the system doesn’t. And ignoring that doesn’t change anything. Saying “I don’t see color” ignores the issues POC face.
This was the worst possible time to do another anti-intersectionality video, it's shameful on so many levels I don't even know where to start.
As always, 'a privileged vegan' videos on Swayze is ever pertinent.
Instead of making this 30 minute video displaying your privilege as a white vegan you could have just expressed your support with a pinned comment and linked a carrd or mentioned it in your video instead of playing devils advocate and inviting racists to show their prejudice in your comments.
she is a koala I hope she educates herself more on these topics because she’s really dismissive.
Instead of telling people what to do do what you want them to do.
"Stay out of Black spaces." I think what they mean is don't drown out black voices. It's important for groups to be able to move the way they move (language, references, norms) without having to be worried about offending white people. Just like we catch an attitude when well intentioned men mansplain in female spaces. Same concept.
I feel like she's all too happy to not be around black spaces if this is her take 😑
Mansplain 😂 okay
its ridiculous that this even has to be said, frankly. so disappointing
It's inclusive to care about the struggles of the members of your community. When black vegans ask their white vegan community members to speak up against racism and we say, "oh I'm sorry, I'm a single issue activist" we clarify that we cannot be counted on to be safe white people. And that's so fucking shitty. The entire world is protesting for BLM right now. For you to say, "oh well I can't possible speak on all issues so I'm not going to say anything" is so lame and not at all antiracist.
I nearly cried at the "why not *blank* lives?" section. Then rewatched several times hoping I caught it out of context.
I'm so sorry :(
Please help me try to understand this. I 100% agree that "why not blank lives" is a terrible excuse to not talk about the unique concerns black people face. How is that not EXACTLY what you're doing by insisting that advocates of all kinds of causes need to put those causes aside because "what about black lives?" It's certainly good to talk about BLM, but if BLM isn't required to talk about veganism or other human rights abuses (which they SHOULDN'T be!) why are vegans required to talk about BLM? And if that's not how you feel, that's the point she was trying to make. She's not some "all lives matter" person and she brings up the obvious racial disparities for black people specifically multiple times in this video.
@@lexaray5 It's not that anyone is required to talk about it, but to act as though you can ignore an ongoing issue just because a seperate issue exists is ignorant. There's a time and a place. This is the time and the place for BLM. Why? Because it is. Plain and simple. If you don't care enough to speak out against these issues right now, then why should anyone care about the issues that you care about later?
@@lexaray5 I don't think vegans are required to talk about anything. That's not what my comment was about anyway. Nobody is ever *required* to talk about anything. The video could have left it at that though. Personally, as a black vegetarian and aspiring vegan, I don't want to support organizations/businesses that I know don't believe in the well-being of my people. Kind of like of vegans are conscious consumers, I have to be a conscious consumer when it comes to people being racist and/or supporting policies that are detrimental to my community.
Veganism is to an extent a privilege in itself. Food deserts exist in many communities of color which would make being vegan highly difficult or choice that will lead to malnutrition. Thinking from that perspective, white vegans have benefited from the injustice in the system. Why wouldn't they speak up and say "this isn't okay?"
@@lexaray5 Vegan organizations don't need to address BLM. I do not disagree and the video could have either just been that or she didn't need to make a video at all. Nobody has to do anything. If people operating in the USA, who's money and lifestyle benefits from the system, and who's tax dollars go to furthering the system then when they don't speak - their silence to me shows that they probably have an audience that they believe does not support the movement and their ability to make money is more important than addressing the movement or they are subconsciously, maybe conciously, not caring about the police brutality black people are facing.
I should hope so. If someone can be so passionate about animals but turn a blind eye to the continuous oppression of other humans, I have no respect for them or the conviction they claim to have
Like, I don't expect a full discussion or prolonged focus on the matter but not acknowledging it at all and then getting upset when people ask is sad
@@justcallmeteacup4711 👏👏👏👏👏
Jasmyn Tupper you guys are cult members for social justice
Jasmyn Tupper yeah defunding the police and rioting are very critically and well thought out positions. Also firing people for not bending the knee to your cult
@@McLuvin411 I mean the rioting brought about change we've been silently protesting for for YEARS
I guess I just don’t understand not having intersectionality in my activism. I think my veganism comes from and intertwines with my feminism, being part of the LGBTQ+ community, and being anti-racist. Any and all human and animal rights issues intertwine, to me at least. I just believe in treating all living creatures with respect. And there is a time and place to uplift and support all of the causes I believe in. It’s pride month but we’re still supporting and giving highlight to BIPOC voices instead. I can talk about being vegan and then share an update on the BLM protests in my area. Being a well rounded activist and educated on a lot of issues isn’t that uncommon and seems like what we should be advocating for. If we were all to just “stay in our lanes” for learning about other causes, there would be no motivation for growth or continuing to be better people. It would be like “I’m vegan, that’s good enough”.
Lydia I’m black and also a part of the LGBTQ+ community and this really means a lot and happy pride month. Allies are always appreciated and we love and support them wholeheartedly.😇🌈🌈
Whats bipoc?
@@thebeigesheep6132 Black, Indigenous, People of Color
@@UnicoUA-cam I'm pretty sure it's because feminism fights for equal rights and respect for women. (fighting against workplace inequality, sexual and physical assault, wage gaps, labor death rates etc etc) And Lydia's values advocate for respect for all sentient beings. :)
@@UnicoUA-cam If a true vegan can't be sexist by default, then right there is the link to feminism. Plus what Kayla Nicholson said.
So I've been involved with this feminist organization for years and years and it's never seemed weird to me that it's explicitly stated in our mission statement that we can't be led by men. I interpret your argument as being like 'men have equal biological capacity for having ideas, so, it shouldn't matter if men lead the feminist groups'. And I think you know why that doesn't fly, if you think about it for a minute.
Straight people should never speak up for gay people. As a gay man I will NOT allow it. See how ridiculous argument actually is. Anyone can speak for and support anything they want to support.
@@WyattCayer Straight people supporting gay rights is great. Straight people trying to lead any and all gay rights groups is.. something else.
@@WyattCayer That is your opinion. I on the other hand, also a gay man, would at least hear a straight person out and then decide whether what they say makes sense. Anything else would be arrogant.
This is so disappointing Swayze. I am not Vegan, but I have always loved your takes on vegan privilege and it's inspired me to reduce the amount of meat I consume. I also eat less and less animal products because of you. I've watched your videos for many years. I have watched this whole video and you make points that I begin to think "okay, that makes sense." However, you say a several things in this video that are concerning to me.
You even said in this video "wouldn't it be better to post nothing than post *this*" and I pose you the same question. I realize people were asking you to make this video, but I don't think people were expecting this.
Firstly, you really brush off the abolition of police very quickly. I suspect you have not looked into what this really means because there are many scholarly articles that explain how and why this is a good idea. This is also not a new idea, it's only now that people are seriously talking about it on a large scale. Abolishing the police/defunding police means re-distributing police funding into community funding. And ultimately, crime rates will go down, and the need for police is less. And ultimately, we can have something like police that don't have to carry guns and have the systematic problems that the police carry.
Secondly, you admit in your video that systematically, veganism is not inclusive to black people. I think you missed a really good point here. So let's say I am part of a system as a white person, like government or the police etc. that benefits from systematic racism. It IS your responsibility to make that system more inclusive and understanding. You, benefitting from being vegan, as a vegan youtuber, you have a responsibility to talk about black lives matter. Very disappointing you didn't see this. I can't go too much into depth on this in a youtube comment, but really consider this perspective.
Thirdly, I have always taken issue with your perspective on not understanding intersectionality. I learned about intersectionality from a feminist perspective and it's a very commonly accepted and written about that non-intersectional feminism isn't feminism. So i'll use this example - a white feminist might just not understand BLM and never speak of it on her socials or whatever. However, here's the deeper problem - what about the micro-agressions this person allows to slip out. Or the misunderstanding they spread. You are doing exactly this with this video Swayze. You are taking on your "single perspective" but allowing a voice to be spread that questions BLM.
No one is saying you CANT make content focussed on specific topics. Of COURSE NOT. HOWEVER, in this VERY IMPORTANT MOMENT in history, you're choosing to make this video?? Really?? In fact you DO make intersectional points all the time in your videos. You often talk about privilege and taking into consideration other problems. THIS IS INTERSECTIONAL. Just like you are saying, this video could have talked about how Veganism isn't inclusive to Black people. You could have used your platform to talk about this. Instead, you decided to make this. I am really really saddened by this Swayze and I hope you make a follow up.
Also, your point about white people/black people ideas is very very misinformed. How could a white person create systems that could understand the perspectives of black people. It's not optics. It's a human understanding of the crisis at hand. Sure, white people are going to be involved due to the system, but shitting on how all-black groups exist is so so so upsetting.
This is so complex and I can't explain everything in a youtube comment but wow. I am really disappointed.
-A fellow white person trying to speak up against shit like this.
18:38-22:20. “Race doesn’t matter.” “Having coalitions that are unapologetically Black-led, I don’t understand why that’s necessary.” Like, what? Black people know and understand the Black experience best, so I feel like it’s safe to say our perspective and leadership is necessary when it comes to policy changes that affect Black people in America. I don’t understand why this is difficult to accept. This is your one video speaking about police brutality in this country and this is how you choose to do it? 30 minutes of playing devil’s advocate? As a longtime viewer, I encourage you to research this topic more deeply.
Damn thank you for watching the whole thing. I couldnt get thru 10 mins
You said exactly what I was thinking better than I could
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you didn't understand what she was saying apparently. Black voices are great for voicing experiences where policies have not worked, but when it comes to writing policies that affect ALL Americans, we shouldn't be reducing those in charge of writing policy by race. Does race determine someone's expertise in writing laws and policies? People of all races should be involved and excluding some doesn't make a lot of sense.
Blaire THIS. I wish I could’ve fit all my frustrations into one comment like you did.
I already knew this was gonna be a mess before I even watched, but I'm still disappointed. Swayze exposed her tone deafness on racial issues waaay back when she posted her "why I'm not an intersectional vegan" videos. I love this channel but Swayze is a classic white liberal who just cannot see past her racial privilege. I mean she says in this very video that black vegans often feel excluded from the vegan community... You think a video Iike this isn't going to make them feel even more excluded?? And the point about why we don't care about atrocities in other countries - girl, we care!! It's just that we have way more influence and potential to affect change in our own country vs somewhere halfway across the world - I thought that would be obvious? Really weak video.
And what are we supposed to do about the other issues? Protest in the streets? Can't. We are being shot by our own police.
What is her privilage? What is she- daughter of billioner, royalty??? Stop using this stupid term .
@@alinan4320 Privilege in this context does not mean that all white people are rich and don't have problems. It means that they don't deal with institutionalized oppression on account of their race.
This is exactly what I was thinking! Her response to Lindsey Ellis' video, "Woke Disney" also revealed her lack of awareness about race. Also I have an issue with people responding to BLM by saying, "but do you care about *insert other issue*?" This always happens when black people talk about anti-black racism when we're literally just talking about our own issues just like any other group. I don't think I've ever heard this response when it comes to any other group talking about their oppression.
@@alinan4320 I literally said RACIAL privilege, learn how to read.
It’s like she’s mad that she’s expected to be an ally instead of a white savior
Lol what
Honestly though!
for ducking real!!!
Vegans don't have to support BLM but they do have to make a video explaining why they don't have to support them? Worst part is she probably feels brave and justified for this cowardly, vapid, neoliberal take
This is an extremely disappointing video. As a huge advocate for animal rights, I do not understand how anyone else calling for better treatment for animals could stay silent on an issue such as police brutality and systematic racism without being a massive hypocrite. How can you possibly advocate for animal rights without being in support of human rights? That's utterly nonsensical.
I'm sure you can find a vegan racist somewhere
This is a terrible take. I respect you and generally agree with most of what you say, but I honestly think it would have been better to say nothing than to say this. The argument that you shouldn't have to talk about BLM because you are a vegan channel is completely hypocritical when you have posted dozens of videos on all types of topics and called out plenty of people with bad behavior that have little or nothing to do with veganism. It's a privilege to not have to speak out on this matter. At this moment in time the fight for justice for black people in America is at the forefront, and it should be. You can spend the other 364 days of the year dedicated to animal rights and animal activism while at the same time supporting BLM and calling out racism, instead of dedicating a video tearing down someone who is trying to do good. I also find it telling that the one charity you chose to link in your description is for animals, not a black cause. I'm disappointed that this is how you have chosen to use your platform. I excepted better. And FYI, the argument of 'what about all the other bad things happening' is such a weak and defensive thing to try and argue. We are talking about a very specific injustice that is happening and has been happening for hundreds of years to millions of people in your country. One specific thing that people are being asked to say something about. It really would have been so simple to say something supportive or to just say nothing at all...
It totally feels like "All Lives Matter!" 6:00 👀
Agreed. I have followed unnatural Vegan for so long but she lost a follower over this. Commenting about the James Charles drama was vegan channel appropriate but BLM is not?
Thank you. This was a perfect response.
Yes yes yes. You are so good at putting your thoughts into paper, what you're saying is exactly what I'm trying to say!
@@toericabaker That, and also it's just a straw man argument. She's so focused on trying to rebuff a bunch of little things she disagrees with that she is entirely missing the point of what BLM stands for and why people are asking EVERYONE to speak out and speak up, especially if they have a platform.
The way data is gathered and studied can be biased. We need black people to lead these policies and movements because they are generally more aware and educated as to how to address institutionalized racism. And if whites have basically written most of U.S history, its constitution and amendments it's only fair that black people are given the lead in this issue. It's long overdue. It' bot about a difference in the brain. It's about shifting history and having more perspective.
You do realize that even when minorities try to take charge they are not allowed into the positions of power to affect actual change. Democrats and Republicans created “police reform bills” that didn’t address the actual concerns of protesters. And to be clear, black people as well as other minorities are not the ones that need to put some work in. With no effort from white people because they’re uncomfortable or think minorities should have to lead this (as you do) ignores the complacency in everyday life that already exists in this country.
I agree that the oppressed should certainly be involved. However, think about veganism. Animals are literally doing nothing to free themselves because they don’t have the capacity. Human activists, specifically vegans who used to be their oppressors are doing all the of the work to create legislative change. That is an example of a movement in which those who were formally oppressors have successfully fought for the advancement of animals. Just to be clear, no this is not in any way equating black Americans to animals, but it does show that White Americans can propose valuable ideas and use their political power to create major advancements for the rights of black Americans. The whole point of this post is that White people can be a very valuable asset in conversations about black empowerment in America and should not be shut down when offering valuable ideas.
@@gazneregina5373 I believe Laura is talking about the response in the video around 15:55 regarding prioritizing Black leadership in the fight for Black euqality.
It is massively unparallel to say that non-Black people should be allowed to lead Black movements in the same way that human vegans lead animal rights movements. A non-human animal has never, to the best of my knowledge, been elected to congress, or held a political rally, served as president. White people can (and should) share Black voices, and be vocal in support, but it is not our* place to run their organizations or spearhead their movements.
(* By "our" place, I mean "my and other white people's place". I am not making any assumptions about your ethnic background)
Hi, black female vegan here and soon to be former subscriber of your channel. I tried to come up with the right words to describe how truly disappointed I am in this video. You were my favorite vegan channel and helped me navigate the overwhelming - and at times toxic - world of vegan UA-cam.
Besides the fact that that your argument is not solid, which a number of other commenters here provide more specifics on, it just feels like a slap in the face to me. Black people are hurting, tired and stressed about the deeply rooted, system racism they face daily. And you took this moment when black people are trying to find ways to uplift and energize themselves and you decided to post this? So tone deaf and unnecessary. I know people say being silent is complicit -which it is - but I think your video is worse than being silent. It is actively harmful, and the fact that you have doubled down on Twitter highlights that you have a lot self exploration to do. You lost a fan, best of luck
I recommend b foreal if you’re looking for black vegans to sub to, their channel doesn’t have as much views as other channels ! Really good recipes
I especially loved when you "Hey guys there's a pandemic going on" in that condescending voice. No shit sherlock. We know. Thats why I agonized over whether or not to protest and wrestled with which pandemic scared me more, racism or covid.
This ^^^^^!!!!!
Yes, yes, yes. What a tone deaf response!
That ticked me off too
Ugh yes this
😂 Obviously your fear of a "virus" didn't win. 🥴 Agonized lol
It is not mandatory for animal rights activists to discuss Black Lives Matter, but there is a very clear connection point. That point worth mentioning that does intersect Black Lives Matter and veganism would be Food Deserts as often it is hard to eat vegan in poorer black communities. Privilege can affect food options as it is not easy to get produce in these areas.
EDIT: For those curious how this would help and what you might do. People originally from poor black communities have advocated and gotten farmers' markets and food banks have gotten mobile farmers markets to come to these areas and increases produce intake, improving health of the community with an advantage of not funding meat and junk food producers that denigrate human and animal lives.
THIS!!
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Im sorry but thats not the only intersection, if you are an advocate against animal cruelty and yet won't oppose cruelty to humans, who are animals mind you, then you are a hipocrite
Excellent point.
Although I think that specisism and racism also come from the same line of thought (making distinctions where there should not be any) and therefore connect the two.
Constant Chaos Their is also the parallel of when the the environments worse the brunt of that cost falls on people of color in poorer communities (oil spills, lack of drinking water, air pollution) often meat and dairy production can lead to run-off as well as unclean air which usually falls on less privileged communities
this video reeks of privilege and a lack of research
So what is the minimum amount of research you have to do? And what is the problem with being privileged? Does it nullify your opinion because you didn't experience sth. first hand? Then what about atoms you never experienced one directly? Does this mean you can't understand them?
Otto in terms of lack of research, i feel like there’s a lot of stuff out there explaining why the whole “i don’t see colour” isn’t really helpful in this situation. and in general there are lots of informative resources that explain why it’s important for a wide range of people to speak on BLM. a quick google into either of those topics, for example, could have helped with some perspective that (to me at least) seemed lacking in this video. also, i didn’t mean to say there’s an inherent problem with having privilege (realize my wording may have been misleading, that’s my bad). but being in a position where you don’t have to address/advocate for BLM is a privilege in and of itself, and the fact that she didn’t acknowledge that seemed (again, to me at least) kind of tone deaf.
I often like your content because of how much research you put into your videos. However, it’s clear that you didn’t research much on systemic racism in the US and/or that you don’t care very much about the topic. This video was confusing and lazy. I think it is important to do the research and take time to listen. I would not be opposed to you choosing to make another video about this once you learn more.
‘It took more time posting this and making this video than just writing black lives matter and hitting send’- I think you should have taken your own advice there, I agree with you that acting so bothered about being asked to speak out doesn’t look great
I agree, but in a way I am glad she made it because she really showed herself here. I have been following her and supporting her for a long time now and I am glad that I now know she has such an apathetic attitude towards this movement. It was interesting to say that he was coming from a place of privilege saying that he doesn't get involved in politics, yet she had just previously said her channel is not about human rights so she doesn't feel the need to support them publicly'?
Jessica Mu It's a shame. Normally, her videos are well-structured, but this one showed how uneducated she is...
Yep.
@@jlm2122 What is your point again? She does talk about BLM publicly. Go to her twitter. She was responding to people that said that veganism is deeply connected to BLM. Tbh that sounds like one of the worst topic combination O.o
Lol Wait. You basically made a video on why you won’t make a video on Black Lives Matter....when you could of simply used to the time to speak about BLM. Im in the black lives matter movement but I still talk about Gay rights, abolish ICE, issues in other countries as well. When a human right issue is brought up I speak about because it coincide with BLM because lives are being affected. Do you see the Correlation?
I don't think vegans have to. I think human beings have to speak about it.
Agneta Rupšytė people are acting as if vegan is some sort of race or hierarchy outside of humans and that’s a problem. Your a human before your food and belief choose.
@@sirens4562 agreed. Our beliefs are that animals don't have to suffer, so that has nothing to do with blalk lives matter, but as human beings, our empathy and love has to break through and support that black lives matter
“Guys, I'm not retracting my last video. I stand by my ultimate point: I support blm, but I don't believe vegans or any other activists *must* show their support. Just like I don't think any other cause must speak our about any other cause.” That was her official response on Twitter to all the backlash. Noted and unsubscribed. I will not support individuals who do not support me. It’s one thing to put out an ill-thought out video but another to completely reject criticism. Your opinions did more harm than good in this case. It’s extremely disappointing that you don’t see that.
byebye llorona
I feel you and am so sad she doesn't see how she is causing pain to so many here and refusing to support. 😭
blm 💟
Lol you could have taken your own advice and not said anything.
Hahhaha right
This. This is the comment.
YEAH
This is so disappointing. I came to the comments to see if it was necessary for me to say why but so many other people have covered it but I couldn't not say it too. I hope you can reflect and understand how wrong you are about this video but if not, I can't support you anymore.
Black lives matter.
Also, how can you not glaringly see that what you are criticizing that girl on tiktok for is exactly what you are doing in this video?! Its alarming that you dont see that.
This is such a stupid point of view, you are literally that guy screaming ALL LIVES MATTER at the Black Lives Matter movement. Veganism is about NONE HUMAN ANIMALS just like how Black Lives Matter is about Black people. Nobody is saying black lives or any other lives dont matter. If you want to also support BLM by all means go ahead nobody is stopping you, but stop mixing it with veganism. Vegansim has as much to do with BLM as child labor and womens rights. Ending one does nothing for the other.
Although the vegan diet was defined early on in The Vegan Society's beginnings in 1944, it was as late as 1949 before Leslie J Cross pointed out that the society lacked a definition of veganism. He suggested “[t]he principle of the emancipation of animals from exploitation by man”. This is later clarified as “to seek an end to the use of animals by man for food, commodities, work, hunting, vivisection, and by all other uses involving exploitation of animal life by man”.
The virtue signalling is strong with this comment section...
@Onyx 2020 I think you either get it or not, Onyx.
Demonetize the video. Profiting off saying vegans don’t need to support BLM while putting BLM in the title is wrong. You of all people should know that monetizing this is morally wrong.
keep crying
I will, thanks!
Hugo keep perpetuating that colonialist mindset
@@prezhenz6969 keep being a pendejo