Hey P&M Fam, where do you stand on Chandler posting the photo to Instagram? What did you think of his apology? Comment below :) Partner with us on Patreon!🤝 www.patreon.com/paulandmorganshow
First, congrats to Chandler and his wife on their marriage! I've heard of Chandler Moore but dont know much of his music. They are young and hopefully mature more. I think Paul you are right... if the apology would have stopped a few sentences earlier it would have been good. The fact that he ended his apology talking about twerking? He would have appeared a lot more mature and humble if he would have just said I'm sorry this offended some of you. Hopefully he's open to what God is speaking to him about this whole situation. Also hopefully it doesn't really cloud the beginning of his marriage. It looks like they have a bright future together.
Thank you guys for tackling this tough subject. I agree 100% with you guys. I want to share with you what happened to me a few days ago. So I was on Dante Bowes Instagram page trying to find one of MCM’s background singer because she has an amazing voice and I wanted to see if she had any type of music out. Well, I went to the people he is following and not long after looking, I saw what appeared to be a woman flipping the camera off. So, I clicked her name and sure enough.. this girl is practically naked in her photos. I got immediately disgusted and unfollowed him. I had this discussion with my husband and we talked about how being a leader, you do have more responsibilities. It’s a privilege to be a leader and I don’t think him being as big of a leader as he is should be following profiles like that. Am I being dramatic? I’ll be honest, it makes me not want to listen to their music anymore and that sucks for me.
@Justin Carter You, like many others are either lost, immature, or whatever. His apology is not an apology. Twerking is not a dance. His response is a sheer lie....he knew what he was doing but did not think people would come down so hard on him. AND MOST IMPORTANT, from his mind heart and witness, his reaction to the whole situation is UNCHRISTIANLIKE!!!! Wake Up!!!!
Twerking is defined in the Oxford dictionary as “Dance to popular music in a sexually provocative manner involving thrusting hip movements and a low, squatting stance.” So even the world can see that this dance is sexually explicit. It's compatible to porn. No christian should ever be associated with these kind of movements in public.
I believe there’s always someone watching us as Christians whether you have 5 followers or 5 million. We should always represent Christ in all we do privately and publicly. Love you guys ❤️
To me it showed how sometimes we put influential Christian leaders on a pedestal yet they too still have growing to do in their walk of faith. Just because they are super-talented & lead a lot of people doesn’t mean we should necessarily be looking up to them as examples of what to do/not to as Christians
Another perfect example of what i like to call ‘celebrity worship culture’. Alot of these famous christian leaders are trying to appeal and be loved by everyone by appealing to modern secular culture. Carl Lentz is another example, when it becomes about you and not God things like this happen.
We need to stop looking at twerking as just “harmless fun.” It’s a sexual dance, it’s a sexual move your body is making, and it’s all to bring attention to certain sexual parts of your body. I don’t care who is doing it. If they’re out in public, if they’re a professing Christian, if they’re trying to make light of this BLATANTLY sexual dance move as “having fun,” and using the whole “but we’re married so we can do these things, they are WRONG. Not in the sense that sexual dance moves between husbands and wives are wrong; they’re not. Sexual anything between a husband and wife is holy and God-ordained. But what you do with your wife or husband behind closed doors should NOT be on display for everyone else. ALSO, making crass jokes about your sex life, or drawing attention to your spouse’s body should not be seen as “acceptable” just because you’re married. Keep your sex life between you and your beloved. Honor them, respect yourself, and ultimately, respect the One who gave you your spouse. Sex is special. Stop trying to share it with Instagram.
“Avoid the appearance of evil. ‘But we must not be too rigid,’ says one. There is no fear of that in these days. You will never go too far in holiness, nor become too like your Lord Jesus. If anybody accuses you of being too strict and precise, do not grieve but try to deserve the charge. I cannot suppose that at the last great day our Lord Jesus Christ will say to anyone, ‘You were not worldly enough. You were too jealous over your conduct, and did not sufficiently conform to the world.’ No, my brethren, such a wrong is impossible. He Who said, ‘Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect,’ has set before you a standard beyond which you can never go.” - Charles Spurgeon
Wow this quote! Whew.. so good. There isn’t an inherent issue in being “too rigid”. I think the only issue I’ve seen is that often when people are “rigid” in conduct, they judge others harshly for not behaving the same way as them, or feign superiority (“I’m just called higher, and if you were called higher you’d act exactly like me”) so I’ve come to associate being rigid with being a negative thing, but it does not have to be that way!
Is someone a leader because they’re in entertainment or are they in entertainment because they’re a leader? A good question to ask in these sorts of situations. The picture is inappropriate; point blank. Immature. His apology didn’t seem very…complete either. It seemed more like he was defending himself moreso than actually apologizing. He could have removed the picture from the IG post and would have received zero flack. Also, if it wasn’t an issue, it wouldn’t be an issue 🤷🏻♂️ It’s not a salvation issue; it’s a sanctification issue. It’s also really weird to me when you have lax “Christians” calling out “judgmental” Christians as if we’re supposed to hold one another to lower standards lol
Seems like they are now in entertainment because they were are a leader… celebrity christian culture trying to appeal amd be loved by the whole world. Sad. Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth
I appreciate how u guys try to approach situations like this from different points of views and not just simply say that’s wrong or that’s right. Good way to make us think and take a step back before we comment. Ps. Rocking that cap bro!
I agree that people should not be condemning their marriage. That's just ugly and wrong. But... the proximity comment; because he is such a big presence in the Christian community and young people and new Christians are seeing this, it is okay to correct him. He should know better. Bible talks about certain things like the bedroom, being kept behind closed doors. I wouldn't have posted it, but I just pray God touches his heart and he is willing to receive what God is saying.
@@PaulandMorgan y'all just made Cardi B and Megan The Stallion richer than they ever were...they just won another award thanks to you 2 talking about their song WAP that song is even more popular. now everyone is going to play that song even more...thanks to you 2.
I think this issue is pretty simple, keep any sexual talk, dancing, or acts in the bedroom. That is between a husband and wife period. I’m sorry but literally no one wants to see that, Christian or not. However, as a Christian we are definitely held to a different standard and someone with his large following should’ve known better. It’s really not the end of the world but it is a great lesson that we can all learn from especially people with a bigger influence on the church.
I agree that people have no place to say anything about his marriage especially publicly but also, his apology was not an apology, he was basically just addressing it and saying suck it up “lol”
People won’t admit it but a lot sexual things couples do having become Christians that helps to maintain a healthy marriage was learned outside of Christianity which leaves the question should I go learn and come back. because it sure wasn’t up for discussion in a Christian,home,church etc.
Is there not the issue of respect for his wife posting a public suggestive photo like that Hmmmmmmm also if as Christians we can debate about this what will the secular world think? Are not we representing Christ himself as Christians 🤔
I can assure you the rest of the world doesn't even register it most of the time and if they do it goes so far as "huh, some Christians that arent so damn snobby or stuffy. Cool"
Agree with you guys! Love Chandler but discouraging to see that. Appreciate what you said about how this pic isn’t showing that he isn’t walking with God but that it shows a lack of discernment- totally agree. Here’s what I think the bottom line is: dancing like that within the context of marriage is totally good but posting it for millions to see is a different story. Keeping that to your private life in your marriage is in my opinion the way to go. Thanks Paul and Morgan for sharing your thoughts! 😀
The only issue to me was the posting of it because things like that will always spark some sort of outraged. People were already upset at the race of his wife and we’re glad to find more reason to be upset when he posted. I agree it’s an issue of discernment but I don’t consider it sinful when they’re literally married. And it was just even worse to see the hatred and “rebuke” in his comments of people wishing them to have an unsustainable marriage. All because of a photo? It’s always funny how certain Christians are known to be so quick to rebuke others for not being Christ-like while also not being Christ-like themselves in their response. Not to mention I’m sure Chandler and Hannah have spiritual advisors who they can talk this issue with if it’s really that deep. But tbh, I don’t think it is. We like to look for offence sometimes where there is none.
It doesn’t matter what you think, it is sinful because they did it at the wrong time and the wrong place, in front of a camera where everyone can see intentionally. That is never okay for a person claiming to be a Christian
In my opinion the picture was not that bad. in my mind I said “wow ok, they’re married though so…” have a great time. If they were just dating it would be wrong in my opinion. I feel as a single person I don’t have nothing to say about someone else’s marriage and what they do or post. So just my thoughts.
I thought I was the only one who thought this. He IS MARRIED!!!! So many people want to cancel him for dancing with His WIFE!!!! I can't!!!! Come on people!!! It's annoying!!!!
@@christinehill9746 Let's be honest. No one's issue is about him dancing sexually (grinding) with his wife. You know that's not the issue. It's sharing and making what would be fun (sexual activity) between two spouses, public.
I think the issue with this entire situation is when others were "correcting" them; it was not done in the Spirit of Christ. There was not space given for repentance, and alot of vitriol was spewed at them. Its almost like the Body of Christ practices this extreme form of discipline that is unnecessary and out of context for the situation. Scripture says if a brother is in idolatry, covetousness, or sexual immorality and its implied that they reject any correction, than a separation should occur. We also know if someone is teaching doctrinal error, to admonish them twice, but we never encouraged to condemn anyone or to even rebuke a brother or sister walking in foolishness. We can correct in the Spirit of Christ by the leading of the Holy Spirit, but I believe the reaction was not merited. I do appreciate your positions and respect you both as I see your genuine love and fear of the Lord. That's beautiful! I am grateful you have addressed this and in no way am I correcting you guys as I see your perspective. I am speaking about the vile comments they received from believers which caused more contention, division, and rejection. In my opinion the couple reacted in defensiveness as a form of self protection. We have all done it! When other believers are just damning you and condemning you it does something to your heart. Let's pray for them as I do not personally believe this was a sin, rather a foolish decision. We should give them space to repent, and offer mercy, because I cannot tell you how many times I definitely made a foolish decision, and I cannot imagine my brothers and sisters publically condemning me! If that makes sense? Also the issue can be cultural as well. I am Puerto Rican and we love to dance. Dancing was a very large part of my life, but if you know anything about latin dancing it can be very provocative. I have to learn what is appropriate and what is inappropriate. You guys would come to a wedding and be like huh?? Love your perspective that this doesnt mean he isn't walking with the Lord.
I so agree with you!! I feel like he was defending himself and his marriage because the "correction" came off as an attack. Not everyone had to chime in like that, I'm sure only a few comments would have been enough for him to stop and think if it was appropriate. Condemnation is the enemy of repentance, which then breeds rebellion. We should be careful not to drive people from Christ🙏 and let's remember the world is watching us, if we don't love each other, how can Jesus be seen in us?
@@PaulandMorgan why yall steadily keep talking about us black people??? leave us alone...we don't like yall like that..damn talk about the white singers... Leave our community alone. Don't talk about our music...our struggles or our lives. cause you can't relate to it. You don't know what we go through. The Racial Injustice and shit...yall don't get it and you never will so leave us alone and mind your own business.
@@musicyoutube7159 This has nothing to do with race but you sound like you have a big chip on your shoulder. Have you had to deal with real injustice ?
I think it’s so important to be set apart. There is a growing number of “Christians”who speak, act and believe the same as the world. We need to encourage each other to stay true to our faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.
I believe they should have been more sensitive to what they put out. On the other hand, I think Christians need to have grace for their fellow Christians. Even though he is very famous, he's still human and makes mistakes. Speak the truth in love and pray for them as well.
@@solochristo65 you don’t know his heart and motive of that photo, you weren’t with him in that wedding when that photo happen.. what gives you right to be so harsh and condemning?
@@solochristo65 I think it's so easy to single out sins. Say for instance you made a mistake and somebody rebuked you harshly, someone you dont know. You'd take offense. God instructs us to show mercy just as He has shown us mercy as well. It was wrong, but let's handle it in love.
@@hannahbaker7088 well it’s fine to post abt marriage but the discussion wasn’t abt Chandler posting abt getting married. Obviously we don’t have a problem with him getting married because that’s wonderful! They were only discussing about one particular thing he did which many found wrong because it was sexual. It’s not about race it’s just the fact that he posted something many find inappropriate
@@hannahbaker7088 where on earth did you get that from?! that they are offended cos a "black" man posted a picture?! like what on earth?! why do you have to bring 'race' into everything?!
@@PaulandMorgan so what?? How are you 2 gonna tell people what to post on their Instagram? That's stupid. Don't y'all post whatever picture you want on your Instagrams??? Yeah you know why because it's yours Same with him He posted a picture on his Instagram because he wanted too and it's his.
I just don’t see how your comment on his page is edifying or constructive at all. He doesn’t know you so simply stating that you’re not a fan means nothing to him. Just like you guys said, if somebody approaches you in the right way about something then you’d be willing to listen but if somebody just comment on your page saying they’re not a fan, it makes no difference and has no impact.
It should. Because Chandler is representing Christ (or at least should be) at all times especially in the public eye. Whether he knows Chandler or not is a moot point.
Exactly. It seems like a gossip page for “Christians.” Like what honestly is the point of posting this video? I’m so troubled to how someone can find a picture of a newly married couple dancing distasteful, while this couple in ministry indirectly calls strangers out online and deconstructing his apology word for word and judging each like and calling him petty. Which one really sinned here? I can’t possibly see how a married couple dancing sinned, because he’s a worship leader? And that makes him immature? Maybe find maturity in approaching the person directly, and if you’re not in close proximity to them, then pray for them!! This video is all over the place weird
I feel like the situation is a great example of cancel culture. Perhaps it wasn't wise for him to post that on social media, but then you have people literally wishing the Chandler has a terrible marriage and broken marriage because of it. There were even Christians who were already upset that Chandler's wife was white, so this situation just gave them more fuel to the fire.
To be honest, i was kind of appalled when I saw this. My immediate thought, though it may have been inaccurate and was probably a bit judgemental, but just my initial thought as a normal human instagram user was "they already know what they're doing." Like, from an outside perspective and judging just from these photos, I would not think that they had saved sex for marriage. Of course, that's their own business, they may have done things totally according to scripture, but just from seeing these pictures, one would think that they were already sexually comfortable with one another, if that makes sense. Maybe I am wrong in this, but i just feel like discretion and self control and honoring your spouse does not look like this. Honoring God, interacting with one another in public as a christian couple, this just doesn't seem like that's what they are doing. Yes, they are married. But sexual intimacy is reserved for those two, in the covenant of their own marriage, without everyone else getting a picture of what the rest of the night might hold 😂 I kind of feel like I am rambling, but I hope it makes some sense.
I couldn’t agree more! I had no idea about this picture until their video, but it is sad and appalling to see someone you’re supposed to look up to, consciously posting, and keeping up, a sexually inappropriate post. and you are correct, I would 100% think from an outside POV that they already seem pretty comfortable doing that, especially in front of a camera... not my business in the grand scheme of things, but overall I agree, and it’s very sad to me.
@Beastbombshell I know we all make mistakes, however this was consciously, and he has kept it up. I do not expect anyone to be perfect, but I do expect such a supposed leader to not do something like this.
Lol, thank you for saving me from having to type it! Even in the engagement photos his tongue was in her mouth. I had stopped listening to his worship at bedtime and unfollowed the week before he was engaged because each nightn I had sexual dreams and that is something that I don't experience. Only those 3 nights that I slept with their music on. Cringe.
I actually totally see where you guys are coming from and actually pretty much agree with you, the only thing I'll say, is that sometimes in the African-American culture, twerking is seen as very very normal.
I’m African, twerking originates from Africa. If we’re Christian, we’re Christian before our ethnic culture. Mixing our ethnic culture and Christianity is theeee highest form of lukewarmness.
Something is seen normal or acceptable doesn't mean it's right,we should follow heavenly culture because we represent Christ. Other people and kids are always watching us.God is going to hold us accountable.I am saying this in love so don't take me in a wrong way.
Same! I apparently live under a rock, cause I've never heard of half of this stuff until this channel. I never even heard of Maverick City until this channel!
Pride goes before a fall. Some Bible scholars teach that the devil was a worship leader before pride enter his heart and he fell from heaven. The blind leading the blind.
Very well put. You guys were generous, I probably wouldn't even call it a soft apology because he basically said "I'm sorry that you are offended by something that's perfectly fine". It's sad, because ultimately I see an attitude of pride in his response and I hope that he sees that and grows from this. Our culture is moving in a direction that wants to dimish the sacredness of marriage and sex and we can't get on that train as believers. Thank you both for your video!
@@mscottster444 there’s no scriptures specifically pointing out that you should or shouldn’t. Apostle Paul didn’t write to every church, he was led by the Holy Spirit in providing counsel, wisdom and correction. The Bible is very clear about everyone being gifted differently, probably not the best or wisest for someone who is not gifted with wisdom from the Lord to go and “correct” others. Along with that, I would also challenge anyone who is desiring to bring correction into the body of Christ to question themselves. Why do I want to bring correction? Will I do it lovingly? Am I going to pray and sit in the Spirit and see does the Lord even want me to say something? Maybe He wants me to do it another day? And let’s face it, most people who provide “correction” on the internet were just emotionally driven in that moment. If the reason someone is desiring to “correct” is pride or to lift themselves up they most definitely shouldn’t provide any “correction .” If you look at the issue from this perspective you’ll see not everyone should be correcting everyone in the church. We need to move and advise with Spirit wisdom and not everyone in the church has it.
@@noemirivas3787 uh yeah there is. Just because something is okay for someone else doesn’t means it’s okay for someone else. 1 Corinthians 10:23 And if something you post, do, eat, or drink causes someone else to lust or to stumble into their own sin the sin is on the person that posted the said thing. Romans 14:21-23 Oh yeah and I’ll add that I am a Wretched vile sinner that deserves death and torment but because of Christ I won’t have t experience that. So just so you know I’m not any better than someone posting a provocative picture. I’ve lust with my mind over 10,000 times because of porn in my past. But my point still stands, we as Christians are allowed to call out other Christians (once we remove the speck from our own eye) and believe me I’m constantly grabbing at my eyes to remove them 👍
@@mscottster444 that scripture proves my point exactly. As to weather this caused people to stumble or not is a different aspect of the discussion, the point here is not everyone SHOULD. The next verse in 1 Corinthians just reestablishes that people who “correct” others out of their own desires and wants shouldn’t be doing it.
Honestly, I don't even believe the actual apology - the background is the same as the rest of the "posed" photos, leading me to believe this was a pose for a photo, not middance that occured away from the dancefloor and the dancing was still enough to take a panorama/boomerang picture. If they were actually mid-"dance" the photo would be blurry. While married people are obviously able to enjoy each other, they should also continue to be an example for others and that means not sharing explicit details of your union.
Thank you guys! Think the "apology" does not fit the definition of "apology." Think it demonstrates a lot of pride rather than humble teachability. Proverbs speaks about this attitude. The photo seems a plug to be "cool" rather than to represent Christ. Easy to fall there.
Christians making a video judging other Christians is what should be called out. If whatever they’re doing is a sin then let God judge them. No human has any right to judge another human. It’s shocking to see Christians making a whole video on UA-cam judging other Christians just in the name of content creation.
So I just stumbled upon your channel and shocked to see that majority of your last videos are judging other people’s lives. I suggest you guys spend the time reaching out to these people and talk to them instead. I bet these people are all trying to do their best in their walk with God.
If you think that's his post is so bad then, Realistically you should be covering up you tattoos, dancing is not sexual unless your mind is already unclean, and for people with a platform you should really think about what you say before you do, thank you ❤️ and may God bless
This is judgmental. I think the issue with Christians is the focus is always on everyone else. Focus on yourself. Not everyone is convicted but the same thing as you. So to judge someone who isn’t even sinning (they’re married) is just a reach. Them posting anything sexual as a married couple is totally acceptable and those who don’t struggle with religion (what put Jesus on the cross in the first place) and aren’t judgemental wouldn’t and shouldn’t be offended.
@@solochristo65 yea I actually Do and I’m not on social media. You don’t know me and if you agree with judging others then you obviously don’t read the Bible either. I pray God has mercy on your soul.
@@ThoughtDaughter22 .......ok. Keep sticking your head in the sand. This country is going to crap and revelations is LITERALLY being played out right in front of us....but by all means, let's concern ourselves with celebrities posting crap on Instagram. 🙄
I really agree with what you guys had to say! The greatest issue is causing the brother or sister to stumble. (Thats my opinion i guess) That was my discernment on that post. I used to stuggle in that area and the first thing i did was go to prayer cause it hit me. The second thing i though was how many people will see this and their mind will go to lustful, unfruitful ways. My prayer is Gods strength be with people that struggle with that. Thank you for your thoughts and God bless you both!
You said, "we are not teachers." So then why are you always on here trying to "teach" people how to live? Worry about yourself, your REAL friends that you personally know and your family members. To sit on a UA-cam platform and JUDGE others is not okay; especially when you do it all in the name of Jesus.
Thanks for handling this so tactfully guys. I started initially in my heart defending them, thinking, "oh well, at least that is his wife." But shortly after the Holy Spirit brought to me exactly what you guys are saying that to whom much is given much is required. He isn't just a singer with great lyrics, he is a singer/worship leader ushering people into the presence of God. Then the thought came to mind if you can't say or do it in the pulpit, don't do it all, especially not in public. We all know that sex is to be enjoyed between a husband and a wife. God's design. We have not all obeyed that command or standard and many of us including myself, has had to repent of that. So this isn't a matter of looking at the speck in my brother's eye while neglecting the log in my own, this is more out of love saying, we are called to hold one another accountable, those who are Christ followers. What Chandler Moore said that it requires knowing someone for healthy correcting isn't Scriptural. Father asks the church to be accountable to Him and to one another never stating we have to know each otherwell, but rather make judgements about matters, and NOT someone's heart. If we deem what our brother and sister are doing is sin, we are called to hold them accountable (see Matthew 18:15-20 and Galatians 6:1). There is however a way to properly hold someone in the body accountable and that is in person, privately according to Matthew 18:15. I do believe this includes intentional sin as well as unintentional or undeliberate sin. So if anyone in the body out of concern for our brother and sister feel the need to personally rebuke them for the photo, it should be done privately first. Then if the person does not receive, witnesses must be brought and then finally the church if still the person has not repented or turned away from their sin. The problem here is that social media is rampant with information whether good or bad, and so since this picture was posted on social media there are now those young in the church and those outside the church who are gaining an interpretation or understanding on what being a Christ follower should look like. I think we have all failed in being a perfect representation of Christ because only Christ Himself is perfect. But those of us seeking to justify the Father and not ourselves must constantly make sure we are in alignment with God's Holy Spirit and His Word. And WHEN we are not in alignment our ability to discern that by also being open to rebuke and corrections shows signs of spiritual maturity. We do not need to be or should intentionally be a stumbling block to others by what we do or say. But it is also impossible to live in such a way that never offends anyone. This is where we seek the Holy Spirit's direction and guidance and wisdom on each individual case. Thank God He sees our hearts in circumstances such as these so that we do not need to allow.our hearts to condemn us by what we approve as a free person in Jesus (Romans 14). The important caution and command however about not letting our hearts condemn us by what we approve is that we are asked to keep what we believe about such matters, between ourselves and God. This situation however has been presented and handled publicly. It may have been better to respond after much prayer but I can see how hard it must have been to feel scolded and not speak up or defend himself or his wife for posting the picture. In the book of 1 Samuel, we know man looks at the outward appearance and only God looks to the heart and can examine the heart. None of us who follow Christ should be condemning anyone or judging their hearts. I know Chandler Moore knows the Lord it is evident. He could only lead worship as He has through God's precious Holy Spirit and from knowing and loving Him. I am more concerned as you all about the apology. A counselor once explained that any time you make a statement and put anything that sounds like a "but" in your statement, that "but" negates everything you previously said. I think that it would be a better representation of Christ to take the picture down momentarily since it was causing such discomfort among the body of Christ and those outside the church and to seek the Lord's face on the matter, and then be led and clear minded and not speaking from emotions, but by His Spirit, so God gets the glory. At the end of the day it isn't so important to be right in our own eyes, just as the Word teaches us in 1 Corinthians 6:7, "The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? Granted, no one is suing Chandler Moore , but a profound statement is made at the end of this verse, that states when we are in disagreement with someone who is accusing us of wrongdoing, EVEN if we truly believe in our heart that we didn't do anything wrong, "Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated." I believe Jesus is calling us to the higher standard of love and peace and challenging us to seek peace and love with one another even if we have to sacrifice the trophy in our minds and hearts for "being right" about a situation. I feel like Jesus is constantly providing us the opportunity to continue to express "less of us and more of Him" in all we do and say, because what is most important isn't who wins the argument or even who is right or wrong, but rather asking ourselves constantly, "Is Christ being glorified through all of this?" That can only be a question each believer can bring to the throne room and have answered by the Lord God Almighty and hopefully prayerfully, our response will always be, "Lord may You increase, and may I decrease." I honestly believe the closer we get with God the more we realize how much we truly fall short of His glory and the real importance of making repentance a lifestyle or living a life of repentance so that inspite of ourselves, God can receive the glory. I really loved also your comment brother "not a fan of the pic" with the sad face. You said nothing about Chandler or his wife's character or heart but still offered your genuine concern about leaving the picture posted on social media. God bless you both! This was the first time I heard you all and I enjoyed listening to your thoughts and perspectives! ❤
Morgan, I 100% agree with you that as a whole, the church has lowered their standards for worship leaders. It seems like in a lot of churches only care about if you can sing and not if you are saved and living a life submitted to the Lord.
Guys. We are Christians. We still like sex and get aroused. This was his wife! We can celebrate sex!!! God made it to enjoy within marriage!!! STOP being so critical. We are human beings. Are you perfect? If you think you’re up to God’s standard, you will be surprised! Being in a worship band doesn’t make you better or anything like that. I’m so glad that my hubby and I are Christians and have a very healthy sex life! Sometimes Christianity shames our sexuality so so much. We should be clapping for them because we want our brothers and sisters to be healthy in their sex lives! It’s ok! Christian like sex too! Especially within your marriage! Yesss!
Why is that a problem when they are MARRIED? So us as Christians can’t be sexual with our husbands? I don’t see how God would have an issue with that💁🏾♀️….If they weren’t married I’d see the problem. It might make you uncomfortable but that doesn’t necessarily make them wrong or God has an issue with that. Show me a scripture where God says that this is wrong?
He disrespected God, himself, his wife, and the church. He further behaved in an arrogant manner with his non apology and not taking the post down. His so called leaders that he’s accountable to defended instead of disciplined him. I don’t care about this mans anointing. There’s about 1,000 more people like him with equal or more talent who possess character and integrity, which is more important to God.
i think you said this really well! i haven’t watched your content in a while but have come back recently and have enjoyed your content a lot! also when i saw that post my jaw was on the floor lol
I was shocked when I saw this picture from those representing Christ, therefore, I snapshot it, sent it to my mom, whose not Christian and asked if she thinks a Christian would represent this and she said "I expect this from the world, but would never think it was Christian." A few moments later she said, "I didn't know the Bible said that a man shall leave his mother and father, cleave to his wife and twerk." 😂 In conclusion, I don't think this was a good representation of a holy marriage bed or what should be on display. There were many other ways to be an ambassador then that particular photo. As Christians, lesson learned, we all need to be more intentional in our actions and behaviors and contemplate how it glorifies God or if it will.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with what he's done. They're married. It's fine. I don't think he needs to apologize for anything and in my opinion, a picture like this doesn't inherently make them seem "worldly". They've just been married and they're excited and young and that's fine. Marital sex is holy and something I think doesn't need to be hidden. No one needs all the details, but it doesn't need to be hidden. If anything it should be rejoiced in. And I believe that other people knowing that these two people are about to enter into a sexual relationship and are excited about is a good thing.
That is why you are godless today, because you don’t know time and place, being married doesn't matter, keep your personal business to yourself off camera
By the way I’m not upset with y’all (P&M) …you’re just expressing and sharing with your viewers you’re opinions….let’s continue to keep the kingdom in prayer…it’s amazing how ppl put others on pedestals…. No one should placed higher than Christ….we’ll never mind …..just my opinion. Blessings.
Normally I love your content and I am a huge fan and supporter of you guys, but I feel like this video is a little bit unnecessary. I just found out about Chandler Moore, and I think that yes the pose on his insta was a little out there and should have been kept for themselves. That being said it was their wedding day, and we don't need to make such a public way of calling them out. I'm sure they would be thankful to not have so much drama surrounding there special day. Also maybe lovingly sending them a private DM would be a better approach then calling them out publicly.
Yes totally agree with this comment, wanted to just type something like this, been a fan but this particular video is not so graceful and pretty unnecessary, Ps the comment by Paul on his page was not so cool, I believe he should have wished him a goodwill wedding message and maybe say that later or better still send a DM,
I agree with this, it’s not necessarily at all...that’s their wedding they were having fun and still posting and talking about it I find that disrespectful
@@PaulandMorgan would it kill you 2 to stop talking about people you don't even know???? Y'all think everyone who is living a different life than you is terrible...you can't even have a bit of fun. People can not even have fun without you 2 making a video talking about them and what they're doing. Stop being lame and boring all y'all lives.
I understand they thought they're just dancing and having fun, but from experience and what I know our human brain will interpret and associate images with other images we have seen in the past (in this case porn). A photo can be a trigger. And that is what needs to be held accountable about their second wedding day picture. Even if it wasn't a sex position it surely looked like it and even the cheering christians associated that picture with a sexual pose, otherwise they wouldn't have mentioned honeymoon and their bodies now belonging to each other, so I don't see how it could be justified. I don't know, maybe they didn't think about it before posting it. But as Paul said in the bible "if eating meat is causing my weaker brother to stumble, I rather not eat it".
I appreciate y'all taking on the hard topics. You are 💯 correct about the 2 "camps' of Christians 😔 That shouldn't be so, but it is. I started to take my comment in that direction but maybe y'all will do a video on that someday. Anyways....it's refreshing, yet sad at the same time, that you youngsters ☺️ are willing to tackle these hard topics yet seasoned pastors will turn a blind eye so their flock doesn't get offended. There is too much worldliness going on with the body.... "Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough?" 😢
I think Chandler Moore may have been influenced by TD Jakes talking at Elevation Church about his wife still being able to twerk in her old age. I do not think that we need to be speaking or posting about that publicly. If this was kept to a private matter, no one would be discussing it.
I absolutely agree with y'all on this. I love Chandler Moore (based on his worship songs) but this was not appropriate. Christians, especially those in the place of leadership, should absolutely not do anything that is not representing Christ or edifying to others. We are held to a higher standard. And YES we are accountable to other believers. The apostle Paul even says if my eating meat will make my brother stumble or fall then I will never eat meat (Paraphrased 1 Cor. 8:13). So if not for any other reason, Chandler should have considered how this offends some of his brothers and sisters in Christ before his sorry-not-sorry "apology" post. People should be loving in their rebuke and leave the judgment to God. But calling right from wrong based on scripture is absolutely the right thing to do. These days people just want to look like the world and be applauded for it and it's really saddening.
Apparently I live under a rock because I hadn’t seen this 😂 but in all seriousness I agree with y’all. I think his attitude portrayed in his apology lacked humility and maturity. When you’re in the spotlight you will have people every day telling you stuff, but when a large amount of Christians are saying this wasn’t cool, how much humility does it take to just take it down?
Matthew 7:1. We should pray for our brothers and sisters who have fallen short before the GLORY OF GOD, not stage a platform for discussion and ridicule on social media. GOD will deal with each of us accordingly. Bless you both with your ministry.
Personally, I think we are all a work in progress and I really loved how @Ruslan KD discussed this in his channel. The reason I state that we are a work in progress and not perfection is because I think that we need to accept that. We do not choose positions but we are given these gifts and responsibility, so we all need to realize that everyday is a chance to learn and I think it was a learning experience for the couple.
Ruslan is evil and childish in how he talks to people with his disrespectful replies to people who rebuke chandler with a biblical stance. He needs help and prayers because he is godless in so many ways it’s not even funny
Been following you all for years and admire you guys so much. I will remember to take your example of courage, truth, and boldness with me. It's rare. ♥️ Love from Asia.
If yall don't like his pictures on his IG.... guess what? Don't go on his page. Simples. It's always interesting when people go this hard for a "higher standard" and those same people have skeletons in their closet.... which usually come out. 🤔🤨
I am so proud of you guys for stepping up to talk against this. I fully support you guys! You're doing a great job. It's just sad that there's this divide in the Church☹️☹️
As a believer, if we see the need to bring correction it should be done the way Jesus would. If he made a mistake let him know, and pray for him. Be careful that your show doesn't become a gossip talk show. That's fine that people are shocked, Including you as a leader. Eventhough you may have a right to make a comment publicly and the things that you are saying may be true, this conversation should be between you and him. May God continue to bless you and grow your ministry.
I think no matter your position or role if you could not show this picture proudly to your parents or grandparents then it should not be shown to anyone else. Keep it private.
To whom much is given, much will be expected(Luke 12:48). So Chandler Moore should not wonder why people feel a little disturbed by his posts. I remember immediately he posted i saw the two pics, and went like, " Do we have two forms of born again Christianity?" I think those pics were meant for him, his wife and maybe his inner circle. Am glad you talked about this, esp the alcohol example....
I definitely understand where you are coming from with your perspective. You are right in referring to Timothy the Bible gives pretty specific qualifications for people in ministry. I have seen and experienced what people in the wrong ministry can do and it is heartbreaking. I hope and pray that chandler doesn’t get turned away from the ministry direction he is headed but humbled himself to be able to admit that he could have handled the situation better. Appreciate your perspective on this.
@@PaulandMorgan so what? they're married...that's what you're supposed to do at the reception it's called having fun....oh that's right you 2 don't know how to have fun. You 2 are boring. Let them be happy to enjoy their new marriage. nobody said anything about your marriage or how y'all chose to celebrate your wedding reception...did they? Because it was nobody's business.
Thank you for covering this. This has brought conviction to my relationship with the woman I’m courting. I lead bible studies at my house and haven’t kept my relationship holy like I should. Now I realize that I’m suppose to live above approached and I’m going to be pure by the grace of God!
I agree with Morgan I’m part of the choir and my daughter got saved and was living with her fiancé and she wanted to join choir but the pastor didn’t let he because she needed to put her house in order and she couldn’t be living together even tho you say your not sleeping together it still cannot be something they could of let her sing in worship she didn’t understand but I explain to her we have to be right in front of God to worship him !
Yes BUT regardless of his big following… we are led to live for Christ not people. So it does not matter if youre not known by many, we are to live for Christ
Ephesians talks a lot about how we are to walk as followers of Christ & posting a photo like that definitely doesn’t fall into the category of how we are to walk. Ephesians 5:4 (CSB) Obscene and foolish talking or crude joking are not suitable, but rather giving thanks.
Some Bible scholars believe the Song of Solomon is about Christ and his bride (church) in some places, people believe it's about God and his relationship between Israel,early Christians saw that scripture spiritually, so we must be careful because God is Holy,Are we interpreting correctly? We can't understand the Bible with today's mindset,Satan has joined the church, there are so many false pastors teaching the wrong things, twisting the Bible scriptures and interpreting scriptures according to their own understanding .
I agree, He’s a Christian singer .. if he’s really with god and read the Bible and not one of those hypocrites in the church , he should know better! Lust is a sin and behaving/dancing or dressing in sexual ways to make others lust after you is a sin as well. To have all these Christian followers accidentally look at your wife with lust is sad.. when we have enough of that everywhere we look. The Bible says women should carry themselves with modesty with how they behave and dress. Ppl like this need to be called out because they clearly claim to be “of the church” and they want to pull people away from god and draw some grey line of what god has clearly said is wrong. If you wouldn’t do it in front of god don’t do it at all unless it’s behind closed doors in private.
100% agree with you guys. I was also shock. I really love Maverick and I'm not even from the US, and Chandler Moore is probably one my favorite voices ever. I think the problem was that he posted it, because of the platform that he has and what he represents for the christian community. I don't think that picture make him a bad person or it means he is in bad spot spiritually but he definitely need to re define the power of his actions in all the generation that follows him. Even though he thinks it was okay, when you are a representing God the way that he is on that huge platform with millions of people u should just think on everyone else, not just you. That is the huge responsibility of being a leader on any scenario, u don't live for yourself anymore.
lol he said “as my wife continues to twerk on me”. I love it! I can understand your critics though. I just don’t care because they are dancing with each other at their wedding.
This was a great video. Definitely a tough one to tackle, but I do agree that not causing others to stumble, and as public figures, living to a higher standard so as not to ever be confusing to those in our “care” is so important. Some will disagree, but I think this is one of the big grey areas that is a matter of the Spirit leading, so if he doesn’t feel conviction, even with counsel, hopefully the Spirit is leading him and pointing him to the truth.
God knows his heart and motive in this photo, I’m sorry but it’s just too extreme, let his wife have fun with her husband is not big deal, I just don’t see the problem at all
This goes to the conversation of PDA, what if people felt married people shouldn’t kiss in public. Then married couple started getting flagged for showing their marriage kiss. We pick and choose all day what we want to see. I say let their spiritual leader handle them and the rest can unfollow.
I find it interesting! I think he’ll end up taking it down at some point. We’ve all been there… seemed like a good idea at the time. I will say as a Christian it is fun to see other Christians having fun, like the ring photos. It will all come down to how he wants to portray himself and his wife/marriage-and feel it’s ok with his relationship with God.
Honestly, The ring photo is childish also. All the normal people I know show their rings off by putting their hand out or up with five fingers showing. It's mostly only this generation that thinks its funny doing the one finger in pics because you know why.....
@@solochristo65 Is this a trend? I got married 11 years ago (before social media) so am a bit out of the loop. It’s cringe if it’s like the Christian wedding photo to take.
It was a nasty picture y'all. If you want to dance like that with your spouse, do it at home in private, but don't post it on instagram. Especially as a Christian.
Wholeheartedly believe on your stance and what you shared in this video. For someone that holds such a public position in the Christian world they should feel more of a weight and authority of everything they post - that authority is going to show through in a good or in this case bad way!
I agree with what you guys are saying. However, to me it doesn't matter how many followers you have, what it's not acceptable is not acceptable and period. It doesn't matter the platform you post on, God hasn't led us to do those type of things regardless of how many people are following you. Hope it makes sense. The pic was so inappropriate and I am not judging. Just an area of his live he needs to work on.
Even “small time” worship leaders should conduct themselves well. Regardless of big or small the question to the church body is; “Are we correcting…IN LOVE?” We do the correction (judgement) part well…seems all tough and no love most times though.
I agree with you guys. Sex is a beautiful gift, but it is meant to be a completely private thing. Even a "simulation" of it as a joke just crosses a line, in my opinion. It's taking something private and sacred and bringing it in the public eye as a joke.
Hey P&M Fam, where do you stand on Chandler posting the photo to Instagram? What did you think of his apology? Comment below :)
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First, congrats to Chandler and his wife on their marriage! I've heard of Chandler Moore but dont know much of his music. They are young and hopefully mature more. I think Paul you are right... if the apology would have stopped a few sentences earlier it would have been good. The fact that he ended his apology talking about twerking? He would have appeared a lot more mature and humble if he would have just said I'm sorry this offended some of you. Hopefully he's open to what God is speaking to him about this whole situation. Also hopefully it doesn't really cloud the beginning of his marriage. It looks like they have a bright future together.
Thank you guys for tackling this tough subject. I agree 100% with you guys. I want to share with you what happened to me a few days ago. So I was on Dante Bowes Instagram page trying to find one of MCM’s background singer because she has an amazing voice and I wanted to see if she had any type of music out. Well, I went to the people he is following and not long after looking, I saw what appeared to be a woman flipping the camera off. So, I clicked her name and sure enough.. this girl is practically naked in her photos. I got immediately disgusted and unfollowed him. I had this discussion with my husband and we talked about how being a leader, you do have more responsibilities. It’s a privilege to be a leader and I don’t think him being as big of a leader as he is should be following profiles like that. Am I being dramatic? I’ll be honest, it makes me not want to listen to their music anymore and that sucks for me.
@Justin Carter You, like many others are either lost, immature, or whatever. His apology is not an apology. Twerking is not a dance. His response is a sheer lie....he knew what he was doing but did not think people would come down so hard on him. AND MOST IMPORTANT, from his mind heart and witness, his reaction to the whole situation is UNCHRISTIANLIKE!!!! Wake Up!!!!
Twerking is defined in the Oxford dictionary as “Dance to popular music in a sexually provocative manner involving thrusting hip movements and a low, squatting stance.”
So even the world can see that this dance is sexually explicit. It's compatible to porn. No christian should ever be associated with these kind of movements in public.
Isn't this cancel culture?
I believe there’s always someone watching us as Christians whether you have 5 followers or 5 million. We should always represent Christ in all we do privately and publicly.
Love you guys ❤️
Very true!
Yes
Yes! I said something similar 🙏
Absolutely
Amen
To me it showed how sometimes we put influential Christian leaders on a pedestal yet they too still have growing to do in their walk of faith. Just because they are super-talented & lead a lot of people doesn’t mean we should necessarily be looking up to them as examples of what to do/not to as Christians
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@@PaulandMorgan listen to some Megan The Stallion - Thot Sh*t
Maybe that song will help you out.
Another perfect example of what i like to call ‘celebrity worship culture’. Alot of these famous christian leaders are trying to appeal and be loved by everyone by appealing to modern secular culture. Carl Lentz is another example, when it becomes about you and not God things like this happen.
I agree, ‘celebrity pastors/ worship leaders’ is a dangerous game🙏
Amen!!!!!!
Well said!!
@Beastbombshell Revelation 3:16 comes to mind
Spot on!
We need to stop looking at twerking as just “harmless fun.” It’s a sexual dance, it’s a sexual move your body is making, and it’s all to bring attention to certain sexual parts of your body. I don’t care who is doing it. If they’re out in public, if they’re a professing Christian, if they’re trying to make light of this BLATANTLY sexual dance move as “having fun,” and using the whole “but we’re married so we can do these things, they are WRONG. Not in the sense that sexual dance moves between husbands and wives are wrong; they’re not. Sexual anything between a husband and wife is holy and God-ordained. But what you do with your wife or husband behind closed doors should NOT be on display for everyone else. ALSO, making crass jokes about your sex life, or drawing attention to your spouse’s body should not be seen as “acceptable” just because you’re married. Keep your sex life between you and your beloved. Honor them, respect yourself, and ultimately, respect the One who gave you your spouse. Sex is special. Stop trying to share it with Instagram.
Appreciate the perspective :) That was some good insight.
Amen!
Yes, well said!!
Agreed
Exactly. As the church, many members have some big planks to remove before they can help anyone.
“Avoid the appearance of evil. ‘But we must not be too rigid,’ says one. There is no fear of that in these days. You will never go too far in holiness, nor become too like your Lord Jesus. If anybody accuses you of being too strict and precise, do not grieve but try to deserve the charge. I cannot suppose that at the last great day our Lord Jesus Christ will say to anyone, ‘You were not worldly enough. You were too jealous over your conduct, and did not sufficiently conform to the world.’ No, my brethren, such a wrong is impossible. He Who said, ‘Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect,’ has set before you a standard beyond which you can never go.” - Charles Spurgeon
Great quote!!!🔥🔥
Thanks for sharing :)
I love this!!
Wow this quote! Whew.. so good. There isn’t an inherent issue in being “too rigid”. I think the only issue I’ve seen is that often when people are “rigid” in conduct, they judge others harshly for not behaving the same way as them, or feign superiority (“I’m just called higher, and if you were called higher you’d act exactly like me”) so I’ve come to associate being rigid with being a negative thing, but it does not have to be that way!
Is someone a leader because they’re in entertainment or are they in entertainment because they’re a leader?
A good question to ask in these sorts of situations.
The picture is inappropriate; point blank. Immature. His apology didn’t seem very…complete either. It seemed more like he was defending himself moreso than actually apologizing. He could have removed the picture from the IG post and would have received zero flack.
Also, if it wasn’t an issue, it wouldn’t be an issue 🤷🏻♂️
It’s not a salvation issue; it’s a sanctification issue.
It’s also really weird to me when you have lax “Christians” calling out “judgmental” Christians as if we’re supposed to hold one another to lower standards lol
Appreciate the insight :)
Dude, you’re spot on!
Seems like they are now in entertainment because they were are a leader… celebrity christian culture trying to appeal amd be loved by the whole world. Sad.
Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth
Cheer for this comment. You got the words right out of my mind...hehe. now i can breathe a sigh of relief.
Sooo good 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I appreciate how u guys try to approach situations like this from different points of views and not just simply say that’s wrong or that’s right. Good way to make us think and take a step back before we comment. Ps. Rocking that cap bro!
I’m really glad to hear that😊 That’s one of our goals❤️
I agree that people should not be condemning their marriage. That's just ugly and wrong. But... the proximity comment; because he is such a big presence in the Christian community and young people and new Christians are seeing this, it is okay to correct him. He should know better. Bible talks about certain things like the bedroom, being kept behind closed doors. I wouldn't have posted it, but I just pray God touches his heart and he is willing to receive what God is saying.
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@@PaulandMorgan y'all just made Cardi B and Megan The Stallion richer than they ever were...they just won another award thanks to you 2 talking about their song WAP that song is even more popular. now everyone is going to play that song even more...thanks to you 2.
@@octopus4495 lol you're joking right? people looooove lustful crap.
I think this issue is pretty simple, keep any sexual talk, dancing, or acts in the bedroom. That is between a husband and wife period. I’m sorry but literally no one wants to see that, Christian or not. However, as a Christian we are definitely held to a different standard and someone with his large following should’ve known better. It’s really not the end of the world but it is a great lesson that we can all learn from especially people with a bigger influence on the church.
I agree that people have no place to say anything about his marriage especially publicly but also, his apology was not an apology, he was basically just addressing it and saying suck it up “lol”
I hear you, thanks for sharing :)
The thing about that it makes sex shameful or at the very least infamous which makes it the thing we learn from everywhere else.
People won’t admit it but a lot sexual things couples do having become Christians that helps to maintain a healthy marriage was learned outside of Christianity which leaves the question should I go learn and come back. because it sure wasn’t up for discussion in a Christian,home,church etc.
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Is there not the issue of respect for his wife posting a public suggestive photo like that Hmmmmmmm also if as Christians we can debate about this what will the secular world think? Are not we representing Christ himself as Christians 🤔
If Jesus were married, He wouldn't dance with His bride like that.
I can assure you the rest of the world doesn't even register it most of the time and if they do it goes so far as "huh, some Christians that arent so damn snobby or stuffy. Cool"
Beautiful
It’s okay for Christians to fight with secular world, just fight with god’s morality and not their human beliefs
Agree with you guys! Love Chandler but discouraging to see that. Appreciate what you said about how this pic isn’t showing that he isn’t walking with God but that it shows a lack of discernment- totally agree. Here’s what I think the bottom line is: dancing like that within the context of marriage is totally good but posting it for millions to see is a different story. Keeping that to your private life in your marriage is in my opinion the way to go. Thanks Paul and Morgan for sharing your thoughts! 😀
Well said, I think your words are wise :)
The only issue to me was the posting of it because things like that will always spark some sort of outraged. People were already upset at the race of his wife and we’re glad to find more reason to be upset when he posted. I agree it’s an issue of discernment but I don’t consider it sinful when they’re literally married. And it was just even worse to see the hatred and “rebuke” in his comments of people wishing them to have an unsustainable marriage. All because of a photo? It’s always funny how certain Christians are known to be so quick to rebuke others for not being Christ-like while also not being Christ-like themselves in their response. Not to mention I’m sure Chandler and Hannah have spiritual advisors who they can talk this issue with if it’s really that deep. But tbh, I don’t think it is. We like to look for offence sometimes where there is none.
Wait ppl were upset she was white? Why?
@@niematansolamenteazucaralg2259 Just finding something to be mad at unfortunately.
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It doesn’t matter what you think, it is sinful because they did it at the wrong time and the wrong place, in front of a camera where everyone can see intentionally. That is never okay for a person claiming to be a Christian
In my opinion the picture was not that bad. in my mind I said “wow ok, they’re married though so…” have a great time. If they were just dating it would be wrong in my opinion. I feel as a single person I don’t have nothing to say about someone else’s marriage and what they do or post. So just my thoughts.
Appreciate the perspective :)
I thought I was the only one who thought this. He IS MARRIED!!!! So many people want to cancel him for dancing with His WIFE!!!! I can't!!!! Come on people!!! It's annoying!!!!
@@christinehill9746 Let's be honest. No one's issue is about him dancing sexually (grinding) with his wife. You know that's not the issue. It's sharing and making what would be fun (sexual activity) between two spouses, public.
@@JenniferoftheSea so what? is it yours no it's theirs.
@@JenniferoftheSea they’re young and married. People should see marriage as fun. It’s not like they’re dating
I think the issue with this entire situation is when others were "correcting" them; it was not done in the Spirit of Christ. There was not space given for repentance, and alot of vitriol was spewed at them. Its almost like the Body of Christ practices this extreme form of discipline that is unnecessary and out of context for the situation. Scripture says if a brother is in idolatry, covetousness, or sexual immorality and its implied that they reject any correction, than a separation should occur. We also know if someone is teaching doctrinal error, to admonish them twice, but we never encouraged to condemn anyone or to even rebuke a brother or sister walking in foolishness. We can correct in the Spirit of Christ by the leading of the Holy Spirit, but I believe the reaction was not merited.
I do appreciate your positions and respect you both as I see your genuine love and fear of the Lord. That's beautiful!
I am grateful you have addressed this and in no way am I correcting you guys as I see your perspective. I am speaking about the vile comments they received from believers which caused more contention, division, and rejection.
In my opinion the couple reacted in defensiveness as a form of self protection. We have all done it! When other believers are just damning you and condemning you it does something to your heart.
Let's pray for them as I do not personally believe this was a sin, rather a foolish decision. We should give them space to repent, and offer mercy, because I cannot tell you how many times I definitely made a foolish decision, and I cannot imagine my brothers and sisters publically condemning me!
If that makes sense? Also the issue can be cultural as well. I am Puerto Rican and we love to dance. Dancing was a very large part of my life, but if you know anything about latin dancing it can be very provocative. I have to learn what is appropriate and what is inappropriate. You guys would come to a wedding and be like huh??
Love your perspective that this doesnt mean he isn't walking with the Lord.
I so agree with you!! I feel like he was defending himself and his marriage because the "correction" came off as an attack. Not everyone had to chime in like that, I'm sure only a few comments would have been enough for him to stop and think if it was appropriate. Condemnation is the enemy of repentance, which then breeds rebellion. We should be careful not to drive people from Christ🙏 and let's remember the world is watching us, if we don't love each other, how can Jesus be seen in us?
@@kpt3462 That is so profound! Condemnation is the enemy of repentance and Breeds rebellion! Wow!
Grow up, they deserve it, especially the fact he was not sorry for his bad influential behavior
😂😂😂 I just lost it when he said Kari jobe and her husband posting a picture like that! Good point that brought it home for me!
Haha thanks😁
@@PaulandMorgan why yall steadily keep talking about us black people??? leave us alone...we don't like yall like that..damn talk about the white singers...
Leave our community alone.
Don't talk about our music...our struggles or our lives. cause you can't relate to it. You don't know what we go through.
The Racial Injustice and shit...yall don't get it and you never will so leave us alone and mind your own business.
@@musicyoutube7159 This has nothing to do with race but you sound like you have a big chip on your shoulder. Have you had to deal with real injustice ?
@@musicyoutube7159 you are a racist and this has to do christian behavior not color. The fact thet you make it about color says you have a problem..
I think it’s so important to be set apart. There is a growing number of “Christians”who speak, act and believe the same as the world. We need to encourage each other to stay true to our faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.
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I promise you that Jesus would fucking hate Paul and Morgan
@@karenhoward3126 you’ve got issues
@@karenhoward3126 exactly
@@bobbydwarika2537 no for real he would they're always talking about Black People...but won't talk about their people.
I believe they should have been more sensitive to what they put out. On the other hand, I think Christians need to have grace for their fellow Christians. Even though he is very famous, he's still human and makes mistakes. Speak the truth in love and pray for them as well.
Appreciate the comment :)
Yeah ok, But this is not one of those situations. It NEEDS a hard rebuke.
@@solochristo65 you don’t know his heart and motive of that photo, you weren’t with him in that wedding when that photo happen.. what gives you right to be so harsh and condemning?
@@solochristo65 I think it's so easy to single out sins. Say for instance you made a mistake and somebody rebuked you harshly, someone you dont know. You'd take offense. God instructs us to show mercy just as He has shown us mercy as well. It was wrong, but let's handle it in love.
@@melissacalderon1515 exactly
I don't think he should have posted it. That is where it all went wrong.
Just keep it for yourself in my opinion.
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@@hannahbaker7088 well it’s fine to post abt marriage but the discussion wasn’t abt Chandler posting abt getting married. Obviously we don’t have a problem with him getting married because that’s wonderful! They were only discussing about one particular thing he did which many found wrong because it was sexual. It’s not about race it’s just the fact that he posted something many find inappropriate
@@hannahbaker7088 where on earth did you get that from?! that they are offended cos a "black" man posted a picture?! like what on earth?! why do you have to bring 'race' into everything?!
@@PaulandMorgan so what?? How are you 2 gonna tell people what to post on their Instagram?
That's stupid.
Don't y'all post whatever picture you want on your Instagrams???
Yeah you know why because it's yours
Same with him
He posted a picture on his Instagram because he wanted too and it's his.
I just don’t see how your comment on his page is edifying or constructive at all. He doesn’t know you so simply stating that you’re not a fan means nothing to him. Just like you guys said, if somebody approaches you in the right way about something then you’d be willing to listen but if somebody just comment on your page saying they’re not a fan, it makes no difference and has no impact.
It should. Because Chandler is representing Christ (or at least should be) at all times especially in the public eye. Whether he knows Chandler or not is a moot point.
@@raymondsmith2040 EXACTLY ✅
Grow up, or step down Felicia
Exactly. It seems like a gossip page for “Christians.” Like what honestly is the point of posting this video? I’m so troubled to how someone can find a picture of a newly married couple dancing distasteful, while this couple in ministry indirectly calls strangers out online and deconstructing his apology word for word and judging each like and calling him petty. Which one really sinned here? I can’t possibly see how a married couple dancing sinned, because he’s a worship leader? And that makes him immature? Maybe find maturity in approaching the person directly, and if you’re not in close proximity to them, then pray for them!! This video is all over the place weird
I feel like the situation is a great example of cancel culture. Perhaps it wasn't wise for him to post that on social media, but then you have people literally wishing the Chandler has a terrible marriage and broken marriage because of it. There were even Christians who were already upset that Chandler's wife was white, so this situation just gave them more fuel to the fire.
To be honest, i was kind of appalled when I saw this. My immediate thought, though it may have been inaccurate and was probably a bit judgemental, but just my initial thought as a normal human instagram user was "they already know what they're doing." Like, from an outside perspective and judging just from these photos, I would not think that they had saved sex for marriage. Of course, that's their own business, they may have done things totally according to scripture, but just from seeing these pictures, one would think that they were already sexually comfortable with one another, if that makes sense. Maybe I am wrong in this, but i just feel like discretion and self control and honoring your spouse does not look like this. Honoring God, interacting with one another in public as a christian couple, this just doesn't seem like that's what they are doing. Yes, they are married. But sexual intimacy is reserved for those two, in the covenant of their own marriage, without everyone else getting a picture of what the rest of the night might hold 😂 I kind of feel like I am rambling, but I hope it makes some sense.
Appreciate the honest comment :)
I couldn’t agree more! I had no idea about this picture until their video, but it is sad and appalling to see someone you’re supposed to look up to, consciously posting, and keeping up, a sexually inappropriate post. and you are correct, I would 100% think from an outside POV that they already seem pretty comfortable doing that, especially in front of a camera... not my business in the grand scheme of things, but overall I agree, and it’s very sad to me.
@Beastbombshell I know we all make mistakes, however this was consciously, and he has kept it up. I do not expect anyone to be perfect, but I do expect such a supposed leader to not do something like this.
Lol, thank you for saving me from having to type it! Even in the engagement photos his tongue was in her mouth. I had stopped listening to his worship at bedtime and unfollowed the week before he was engaged because each nightn I had sexual dreams and that is something that I don't experience. Only those 3 nights that I slept with their music on. Cringe.
I agree. I feel like people who weren't sexually active wouldn't be that comfortable on the wedding day. Just my thoughts though
I actually totally see where you guys are coming from and actually pretty much agree with you, the only thing I'll say, is that sometimes in the African-American culture, twerking is seen as very very normal.
How are you ❣
I’m African, twerking originates from Africa. If we’re Christian, we’re Christian before our ethnic culture. Mixing our ethnic culture and Christianity is theeee highest form of lukewarmness.
@@ThokoTwala I can definitely see your point
Something is seen normal or acceptable doesn't mean it's right,we should follow heavenly culture because we represent Christ. Other people and kids are always watching us.God is going to hold us accountable.I am saying this in love so don't take me in a wrong way.
Honestly, this channel is where I get my news from at this point😂
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Samee! Lol
That’s exactly what I was thinking 😂
i’m like “hmm something controversial happened? count me in”
Same! 😂
Same! I apparently live under a rock, cause I've never heard of half of this stuff until this channel. I never even heard of Maverick City until this channel!
Pride goes before a fall. Some Bible scholars teach that the devil was a worship leader before pride enter his heart and he fell from heaven. The blind leading the blind.
🤔🤔🤔 statement of a humble person.intetesting.
Very well put. You guys were generous, I probably wouldn't even call it a soft apology because he basically said "I'm sorry that you are offended by something that's perfectly fine". It's sad, because ultimately I see an attitude of pride in his response and I hope that he sees that and grows from this.
Our culture is moving in a direction that wants to dimish the sacredness of marriage and sex and we can't get on that train as believers. Thank you both for your video!
Appreciate the insight😊
Not everyone needs or should be “correcting” everyone, even in the church.
agreed!
Any scriptural basis for your thought? There is scriptural basis for confronting fellow believers.
@@mscottster444 there’s no scriptures specifically pointing out that you should or shouldn’t. Apostle Paul didn’t write to every church, he was led by the Holy Spirit in providing counsel, wisdom and correction. The Bible is very clear about everyone being gifted differently, probably not the best or wisest for someone who is not gifted with wisdom from the Lord to go and “correct” others. Along with that, I would also challenge anyone who is desiring to bring correction into the body of Christ to question themselves. Why do I want to bring correction? Will I do it lovingly? Am I going to pray and sit in the Spirit and see does the Lord even want me to say something? Maybe He wants me to do it another day? And let’s face it, most people who provide “correction” on the internet were just emotionally driven in that moment. If the reason someone is desiring to “correct” is pride or to lift themselves up they most definitely shouldn’t provide any “correction .” If you look at the issue from this perspective you’ll see not everyone should be correcting everyone in the church. We need to move and advise with Spirit wisdom and not everyone in the church has it.
@@noemirivas3787 uh yeah there is. Just because something is okay for someone else doesn’t means it’s okay for someone else.
1 Corinthians 10:23
And if something you post, do, eat, or drink causes someone else to lust or to stumble into their own sin the sin is on the person that posted the said thing.
Romans 14:21-23
Oh yeah and I’ll add that I am a Wretched vile sinner that deserves death and torment but because of Christ I won’t have t experience that. So just so you know I’m not any better than someone posting a provocative picture. I’ve lust with my mind over 10,000 times because of porn in my past. But my point still stands, we as Christians are allowed to call out other Christians (once we remove the speck from our own eye) and believe me I’m constantly grabbing at my eyes to remove them 👍
@@mscottster444 that scripture proves my point exactly. As to weather this caused people to stumble or not is a different aspect of the discussion, the point here is not everyone SHOULD. The next verse in 1 Corinthians just reestablishes that people who “correct” others out of their own desires and wants shouldn’t be doing it.
Honestly, I don't even believe the actual apology - the background is the same as the rest of the "posed" photos, leading me to believe this was a pose for a photo, not middance that occured away from the dancefloor and the dancing was still enough to take a panorama/boomerang picture. If they were actually mid-"dance" the photo would be blurry.
While married people are obviously able to enjoy each other, they should also continue to be an example for others and that means not sharing explicit details of your union.
Appreciate the perspective :)
Thank you guys! Think the "apology" does not fit the definition of "apology." Think it demonstrates a lot of pride rather than humble teachability. Proverbs speaks about this attitude. The photo seems a plug to be "cool" rather than to represent Christ. Easy to fall there.
I would be mortified if a picture like that was taken or posted on my wedding day
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I agree it’s not really typical wedding day photography
Hi guys. I’m a new subscriber. I don’t see any videos posted before this one. Did you delete a lot of your videos? Thanks! Love your channel!
Hey! Weird, I still see them!
@@PaulandMorgan So weird! I now see them all too! 😊YAY!!
To those that more is given more is expected
That’s true :)
Sigh...When the church and the world are too alike...
Christians making a video judging other Christians is what should be called out. If whatever they’re doing is a sin then let God judge them. No human has any right to judge another human. It’s shocking to see Christians making a whole video on UA-cam judging other Christians just in the name of content creation.
So I just stumbled upon your channel and shocked to see that majority of your last videos are judging other people’s lives. I suggest you guys spend the time reaching out to these people and talk to them instead. I bet these people are all trying to do their best in their walk with God.
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Yeah hey! I stumbled on another UA-cam (Christian) and I felt like I was watching tmz. It's a bit scary to be honest
As they can when they put it out there living hypocritically and leading others astray
If you think that's his post is so bad then, Realistically you should be covering up you tattoos, dancing is not sexual unless your mind is already unclean, and for people with a platform you should really think about what you say before you do, thank you ❤️ and may God bless
Exactly
This is judgmental. I think the issue with Christians is the focus is always on everyone else. Focus on yourself. Not everyone is convicted but the same thing as you. So to judge someone who isn’t even sinning (they’re married) is just a reach. Them posting anything sexual as a married couple is totally acceptable and those who don’t struggle with religion (what put Jesus on the cross in the first place) and aren’t judgemental wouldn’t and shouldn’t be offended.
Hey, what do you think the Apostle Paul meant when he said overseers should be above reproach?
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@@PaulandMorgan I think the apostle paul isn't jesus
Read the Bible much? How about taking a break from social media if you are a professing Christian.
@@solochristo65 yea I actually
Do and I’m not on social media. You don’t know me and if you agree with judging others then you obviously don’t read the Bible either. I pray God has mercy on your soul.
Not sure why this couple is so concerned about crap that doesn't even matter. There are bigger things going on.
Because they want to and they can🙄
@@ThoughtDaughter22 .......ok. Keep sticking your head in the sand. This country is going to crap and revelations is LITERALLY being played out right in front of us....but by all means, let's concern ourselves with celebrities posting crap on Instagram. 🙄
It matters because there is a person claiming religion, and living hypocritically to it.
I really agree with what you guys had to say! The greatest issue is causing the brother or sister to stumble. (Thats my opinion i guess) That was my discernment on that post. I used to stuggle in that area and the first thing i did was go to prayer cause it hit me. The second thing i though was how many people will see this and their mind will go to lustful, unfruitful ways. My prayer is Gods strength be with people that struggle with that. Thank you for your thoughts and God bless you both!
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@@PaulandMorgan why do you 2 hate when black people dance and have fun???
So all you guys do is bash other ppl. So very Christian of you. Love how you guys get to chose what is ok and isn’t ok regarding Christian behavior...
That's their channel for you.
They deserve it, all celebrities do is lead others astray
You said, "we are not teachers." So then why are you always on here trying to "teach" people how to live? Worry about yourself, your REAL friends that you personally know and your family members. To sit on a UA-cam platform and JUDGE others is not okay; especially when you do it all in the name of Jesus.
You are also judging them .
Thanks for handling this so tactfully guys. I started initially in my heart defending them, thinking, "oh well, at least that is his wife." But shortly after the Holy Spirit brought to me exactly what you guys are saying that to whom much is given much is required. He isn't just a singer with great lyrics, he is a singer/worship leader ushering people into the presence of God. Then the thought came to mind if you can't say or do it in the pulpit, don't do it all, especially not in public. We all know that sex is to be enjoyed between a husband and a wife. God's design. We have not all obeyed that command or standard and many of us including myself, has had to repent of that. So this isn't a matter of looking at the speck in my brother's eye while neglecting the log in my own, this is more out of love saying, we are called to hold one another accountable, those who are Christ followers. What Chandler Moore said that it requires knowing someone for healthy correcting isn't Scriptural. Father asks the church to be accountable to Him and to one another never stating we have to know each otherwell, but rather make judgements about matters, and NOT someone's heart. If we deem what our brother and sister are doing is sin, we are called to hold them accountable (see Matthew 18:15-20 and Galatians 6:1).
There is however a way to properly hold someone in the body accountable and that is in person, privately according to Matthew 18:15. I do believe this includes intentional sin as well as unintentional or undeliberate sin. So if anyone in the body out of concern for our brother and sister feel the need to personally rebuke them for the photo, it should be done privately first. Then if the person does not receive, witnesses must be brought and then finally the church if still the person has not repented or turned away from their sin. The problem here is that social media is rampant with information whether good or bad, and so since this picture was posted on social media there are now those young in the church and those outside the church who are gaining an interpretation or understanding on what being a Christ follower should look like. I think we have all failed in being a perfect representation of Christ because only Christ Himself is perfect. But those of us seeking to justify the Father and not ourselves must constantly make sure we are in alignment with God's Holy Spirit and His Word. And WHEN we are not in alignment our ability to discern that by also being open to rebuke and corrections shows signs of spiritual maturity. We do not need to be or should intentionally be a stumbling block to others by what we do or say. But it is also impossible to live in such a way that never offends anyone. This is where we seek the Holy Spirit's direction and guidance and wisdom on each individual case. Thank God He sees our hearts in circumstances such as these so that we do not need to allow.our hearts to condemn us by what we approve as a free person in Jesus (Romans 14). The important caution and command however about not letting our hearts condemn us by what we approve is that we are asked to keep what we believe about such matters, between ourselves and God. This situation however has been presented and handled publicly. It may have been better to respond after much prayer but I can see how hard it must have been to feel scolded and not speak up or defend himself or his wife for posting the picture.
In the book of 1 Samuel, we know man looks at the outward appearance and only God looks to the heart and can examine the heart. None of us who follow Christ should be condemning anyone or judging their hearts. I know Chandler Moore knows the Lord it is evident. He could only lead worship as He has through God's precious Holy Spirit and from knowing and loving Him. I am more concerned as you all about the apology. A counselor once explained that any time you make a statement and put anything that sounds like a "but" in your statement, that "but" negates everything you previously said. I think that it would be a better representation of Christ to take the picture down momentarily since it was causing such discomfort among the body of Christ and those outside the church and to seek the Lord's face on the matter, and then be led and clear minded and not speaking from emotions, but by His Spirit, so God gets the glory.
At the end of the day it isn't so important to be right in our own eyes, just as the Word teaches us in 1 Corinthians 6:7,
"The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated?
Granted, no one is suing Chandler Moore , but a profound statement is made at the end of this verse, that states when we are in disagreement with someone who is accusing us of wrongdoing, EVEN if we truly believe in our heart that we didn't do anything wrong, "Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated." I believe Jesus is calling us to the higher standard of love and peace and challenging us to seek peace and love with one another even if we have to sacrifice the trophy in our minds and hearts for "being right" about a situation. I feel like Jesus is constantly providing us the opportunity to continue to express "less of us and more of Him" in all we do and say, because what is most important isn't who wins the argument or even who is right or wrong, but rather asking ourselves constantly, "Is Christ being glorified through all of this?" That can only be a question each believer can bring to the throne room and have answered by the Lord God Almighty and hopefully prayerfully, our response will always be, "Lord may You increase, and may I decrease."
I honestly believe the closer we get with God the more we realize how much we truly fall short of His glory and the real importance of making repentance a lifestyle or living a life of repentance so that inspite of ourselves, God can receive the glory.
I really loved also your comment brother "not a fan of the pic" with the sad face. You said nothing about Chandler or his wife's character or heart but still offered your genuine concern about leaving the picture posted on social media.
God bless you both! This was the first time I heard you all and I enjoyed listening to your thoughts and perspectives! ❤
What ended up happening with your meetup with jaclyn glenn? Very curious😆
Morgan, I 100% agree with you that as a whole, the church has lowered their standards for worship leaders. It seems like in a lot of churches only care about if you can sing and not if you are saved and living a life submitted to the Lord.
The standard of Christianity as a whole has also been lowered.
Guys. We are Christians. We still like sex and get aroused. This was his wife! We can celebrate sex!!! God made it to enjoy within marriage!!! STOP being so critical. We are human beings. Are you perfect? If you think you’re up to God’s standard, you will be surprised! Being in a worship band doesn’t make you better or anything like that.
I’m so glad that my hubby and I are Christians and have a very healthy sex life! Sometimes Christianity shames our sexuality so so much. We should be clapping for them because we want our brothers and sisters to be healthy in their sex lives! It’s ok! Christian like sex too! Especially within your marriage! Yesss!
My exact thoughts! Let her twerk on her husband. Why should I care?
Exactly
I agree with what y'all said 100%! Thank you for speaking out about it in such a loving graceful way.
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Why is that a problem when they are MARRIED? So us as Christians can’t be sexual with our husbands? I don’t see how God would have an issue with that💁🏾♀️….If they weren’t married I’d see the problem. It might make you uncomfortable but that doesn’t necessarily make them wrong or God has an issue with that. Show me a scripture where God says that this is wrong?
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They can do that but why post it on the internet.
@@Samuel-c4l6i why not
Agree 100% with Chandler's apology! He was addressed and responded in a godly way.
He disrespected God, himself, his wife, and the church. He further behaved in an arrogant manner with his non apology and not taking the post down. His so called leaders that he’s accountable to defended instead of disciplined him. I don’t care about this mans anointing. There’s about 1,000 more people like him with equal or more talent who possess character and integrity, which is more important to God.
Appreciate the comment :)
They will be punished by god for leading others astray
i think you said this really well! i haven’t watched your content in a while but have come back recently and have enjoyed your content a lot! also when i saw that post my jaw was on the floor lol
Thanks for the comment😊
I was shocked when I saw this picture from those representing Christ, therefore, I snapshot it, sent it to my mom, whose not Christian and asked if she thinks a Christian would represent this and she said "I expect this from the world, but would never think it was Christian."
A few moments later she said, "I didn't know the Bible said that a man shall leave his mother and father, cleave to his wife and twerk." 😂
In conclusion, I don't think this was a good representation of a holy marriage bed or what should be on display. There were many other ways to be an ambassador then that particular photo. As Christians, lesson learned, we all need to be more intentional in our actions and behaviors and contemplate how it glorifies God or if it will.
THIS is why so many people run from the church! Commentary like this! Do better!!
I see absolutely nothing wrong with what he's done. They're married. It's fine. I don't think he needs to apologize for anything and in my opinion, a picture like this doesn't inherently make them seem "worldly". They've just been married and they're excited and young and that's fine. Marital sex is holy and something I think doesn't need to be hidden. No one needs all the details, but it doesn't need to be hidden. If anything it should be rejoiced in. And I believe that other people knowing that these two people are about to enter into a sexual relationship and are excited about is a good thing.
Appreciate the perspective :)
That is why you are godless today, because you don’t know time and place, being married doesn't matter, keep your personal business to yourself off camera
@@markedthat2969I don’t see how it wouldn’t bring glory to God
By the way I’m not upset with y’all (P&M) …you’re just expressing and sharing with your viewers you’re opinions….let’s continue to keep the kingdom in prayer…it’s amazing how ppl put others on pedestals…. No one should placed higher than Christ….we’ll never mind …..just my opinion. Blessings.
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I also don’t believe chandler was clumping everyone trying to “correct” him, he was speaking to a specific crowd.
Normally I love your content and I am a huge fan and supporter of you guys, but I feel like this video is a little bit unnecessary. I just found out about Chandler Moore, and I think that yes the pose on his insta was a little out there and should have been kept for themselves. That being said it was their wedding day, and we don't need to make such a public way of calling them out. I'm sure they would be thankful to not have so much drama surrounding there special day. Also maybe lovingly sending them a private DM would be a better approach then calling them out publicly.
Appreciate the perspective :)
Yes totally agree with this comment, wanted to just type something like this, been a fan but this particular video is not so graceful and pretty unnecessary, Ps the comment by Paul on his page was not so cool, I believe he should have wished him a goodwill wedding message and maybe say that later or better still send a DM,
@@PaulandMorgan 🥰🙂👍
I agree with this, it’s not necessarily at all...that’s their wedding they were having fun and still posting and talking about it I find that disrespectful
@@PaulandMorgan would it kill you 2 to stop talking about people you don't even know???? Y'all think everyone who is living a different life than you is terrible...you can't even have a bit of fun.
People can not even have fun without you 2 making a video talking about them and what they're doing.
Stop being lame and boring all y'all lives.
So we are here to judge?
I understand they thought they're just dancing and having fun, but from experience and what I know our human brain will interpret and associate images with other images we have seen in the past (in this case porn). A photo can be a trigger. And that is what needs to be held accountable about their second wedding day picture. Even if it wasn't a sex position it surely looked like it and even the cheering christians associated that picture with a sexual pose, otherwise they wouldn't have mentioned honeymoon and their bodies now belonging to each other, so I don't see how it could be justified. I don't know, maybe they didn't think about it before posting it. But as Paul said in the bible "if eating meat is causing my weaker brother to stumble, I rather not eat it".
Good points :)
I appreciate y'all taking on the hard topics. You are 💯 correct about the 2 "camps' of Christians 😔 That shouldn't be so, but it is.
I started to take my comment in that direction but maybe y'all will do a video on that someday.
Anyways....it's refreshing, yet sad at the same time, that you youngsters ☺️ are willing to tackle these hard topics yet seasoned pastors will turn a blind eye so their flock doesn't get offended. There is too much worldliness going on with the body....
"Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough?" 😢
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I think Chandler Moore may have been influenced by TD Jakes talking at Elevation Church about his wife still being able to twerk in her old age. I do not think that we need to be speaking or posting about that publicly. If this was kept to a private matter, no one would be discussing it.
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For context, the clip I am referring to can be seen starting at 22:10 in this video (ua-cam.com/video/xE9HuEZSvaQ/v-deo.html).
I absolutely agree with y'all on this. I love Chandler Moore (based on his worship songs) but this was not appropriate. Christians, especially those in the place of leadership, should absolutely not do anything that is not representing Christ or edifying to others. We are held to a higher standard. And YES we are accountable to other believers. The apostle Paul even says if my eating meat will make my brother stumble or fall then I will never eat meat (Paraphrased 1 Cor. 8:13). So if not for any other reason, Chandler should have considered how this offends some of his brothers and sisters in Christ before his sorry-not-sorry "apology" post.
People should be loving in their rebuke and leave the judgment to God. But calling right from wrong based on scripture is absolutely the right thing to do. These days people just want to look like the world and be applauded for it and it's really saddening.
Appreciate the comment :)
Apparently I live under a rock because I hadn’t seen this 😂 but in all seriousness I agree with y’all. I think his attitude portrayed in his apology lacked humility and maturity. When you’re in the spotlight you will have people every day telling you stuff, but when a large amount of Christians are saying this wasn’t cool, how much humility does it take to just take it down?
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Yeah, they're married, but that kind of behavior is between husband and wife in private, not for the whole world to see.
Matthew 7:1.
We should pray for our brothers and sisters who have fallen short before the GLORY OF GOD, not stage a platform for discussion and ridicule on social media. GOD will deal with each of us accordingly. Bless you both with your ministry.
I don't care whether youre a leader in the church or not. If you call your self a Christian then, show it.
Agree
Great conversation and I love how balanced you guys are but yet not compromising! He should definitely take that post down.
Aww thank you!
Personally, I think we are all a work in progress and I really loved how @Ruslan KD discussed this in his channel. The reason I state that we are a work in progress and not perfection is because I think that we need to accept that. We do not choose positions but we are given these gifts and responsibility, so we all need to realize that everyday is a chance to learn and I think it was a learning experience for the couple.
Appreciate the perspective :)
That doesn’t cancel out the word :/
Ruslan is evil and childish in how he talks to people with his disrespectful replies to people who rebuke chandler with a biblical stance. He needs help and prayers because he is godless in so many ways it’s not even funny
Been following you all for years and admire you guys so much. I will remember to take your example of courage, truth, and boldness with me. It's rare. ♥️ Love from Asia.
If yall don't like his pictures on his IG.... guess what? Don't go on his page. Simples.
It's always interesting when people go this hard for a "higher standard" and those same people have skeletons in their closet.... which usually come out. 🤔🤨
Exactly
If y’all don’t like biblical rebuke on oh guess what, keep it to yourself
I am so proud of you guys for stepping up to talk against this. I fully support you guys! You're doing a great job. It's just sad that there's this divide in the Church☹️☹️
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As a believer, if we see the need to bring correction it should be done the way Jesus would. If he made a mistake let him know, and pray for him. Be careful that your show doesn't become a gossip talk show. That's fine that people are shocked, Including you as a leader. Eventhough you may have a right to make a comment publicly and the things that you are saying may be true, this conversation should be between you and him. May God continue to bless you and grow your ministry.
I think no matter your position or role if you could not show this picture proudly to your parents or grandparents then it should not be shown to anyone else. Keep it private.
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To whom much is given, much will be expected(Luke 12:48). So Chandler Moore should not wonder why people feel a little disturbed by his posts. I remember immediately he posted i saw the two pics, and went like, " Do we have two forms of born again Christianity?" I think those pics were meant for him, his wife and maybe his inner circle.
Am glad you talked about this, esp the alcohol example....
Chandler gives an apology, but then he comes back with excuses. How sincere was it?
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@@PaulandMorgan Maybe he didn’t necessarily excuse it but he certainly defended it.
I wonder if he even owed you or anyone an apology?! Isn't it between him and God?
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Mistakes don’t have excuses
I definitely understand where you are coming from with your perspective. You are right in referring to Timothy the Bible gives pretty specific qualifications for people in ministry. I have seen and experienced what people in the wrong ministry can do and it is heartbreaking. I hope and pray that chandler doesn’t get turned away from the ministry direction he is headed but humbled himself to be able to admit that he could have handled the situation better. Appreciate your perspective on this.
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@@PaulandMorgan so what? they're married...that's what you're supposed to do at the reception it's called having fun....oh that's right you 2 don't know how to have fun.
You 2 are boring.
Let them be happy to enjoy their new marriage.
nobody said anything about your marriage or how y'all chose to celebrate your wedding reception...did they?
Because it was nobody's business.
Harsh words for P&M. Don't get it.
Christians must be like iron sharpening iron.
Stay Christ-like.
So none of you UA-camrs gossip or judge?
Thank you for covering this. This has brought conviction to my relationship with the woman I’m courting. I lead bible studies at my house and haven’t kept my relationship holy like I should. Now I realize that I’m suppose to live above approached and I’m going to be pure by the grace of God!
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"Not everyone who says Lord Lord..."
This is so dumb!!!!! Omg 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 it’s HIS WIFE!!! They were dancing and having fun at his wedding. This is honestly so toxic!!! Seriously
Exactly Paul and Morgan suck the fun out of everything. they're so boring
I agree with Morgan I’m part of the choir and my daughter got saved and was living with her fiancé and she wanted to join choir but the pastor didn’t let he because she needed to put her house in order and she couldn’t be living together even tho you say your not sleeping together it still cannot be something they could of let her sing in worship she didn’t understand but I explain to her we have to be right in front of God to worship him !
Yes BUT regardless of his big following… we are led to live for Christ not people. So it does not matter if youre not known by many, we are to live for Christ
I feel like the people upset by this post have never read Song of Solomon lol
Ephesians talks a lot about how we are to walk as followers of Christ & posting a photo like that definitely doesn’t fall into the category of how we are to walk.
Ephesians 5:4 (CSB) Obscene and foolish talking or crude joking are not suitable, but rather giving thanks.
Some Bible scholars believe the Song of Solomon is about Christ and his bride (church) in some places, people believe it's about God and his relationship between Israel,early Christians saw that scripture spiritually, so we must be careful because God is Holy,Are we interpreting correctly? We can't understand the Bible with today's mindset,Satan has joined the church, there are so many false pastors teaching the wrong things, twisting the Bible scriptures and interpreting scriptures according to their own understanding .
My first thought when I saw the picture was, uhm they probably shouldn't have posted this, it's a bit too much.
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I’m so glad you talked about this. I agree and there are many Christians who don’t agree and we need to pray for them.🙏🏼💟
Leave you judgement to yourselves. Y’all are toxic and you don’t even know it. I feel bad for you.
Got any Scripture for a rebuttal? Because just getting your feelings hurt ain't gonna cut it.
I just think the problem is in the posting 🤷♀️
I feel you :)
I agree, He’s a Christian singer .. if he’s really with god and read the Bible and not one of those hypocrites in the church , he should know better! Lust is a sin and behaving/dancing or dressing in sexual ways to make others lust after you is a sin as well. To have all these Christian followers accidentally look at your wife with lust is sad.. when we have enough of that everywhere we look. The Bible says women should carry themselves with modesty with how they behave and dress. Ppl like this need to be called out because they clearly claim to be “of the church” and they want to pull people away from god and draw some grey line of what god has clearly said is wrong. If you wouldn’t do it in front of god don’t do it at all unless it’s behind closed doors in private.
I have three words for this: Too Much Information
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I have a shorter one for ya.... UNGODLY.
100% agree with you guys. I was also shock. I really love Maverick and I'm not even from the US, and Chandler Moore is probably one my favorite voices ever. I think the problem was that he posted it, because of the platform that he has and what he represents for the christian community. I don't think that picture make him a bad person or it means he is in bad spot spiritually but he definitely need to re define the power of his actions in all the generation that follows him. Even though he thinks it was okay, when you are a representing God the way that he is on that huge platform with millions of people u should just think on everyone else, not just you. That is the huge responsibility of being a leader on any scenario, u don't live for yourself anymore.
lol he said “as my wife continues to twerk on me”. I love it! I can understand your critics though. I just don’t care because they are dancing with each other at their wedding.
This was a great video. Definitely a tough one to tackle, but I do agree that not causing others to stumble, and as public figures, living to a higher standard so as not to ever be confusing to those in our “care” is so important. Some will disagree, but I think this is one of the big grey areas that is a matter of the Spirit leading, so if he doesn’t feel conviction, even with counsel, hopefully the Spirit is leading him and pointing him to the truth.
God knows his heart and motive in this photo, I’m sorry but it’s just too extreme, let his wife have fun with her husband is not big deal, I just don’t see the problem at all
Good insight, Luci! Thanks for sharing😊
This goes to the conversation of PDA, what if people felt married people shouldn’t kiss in public. Then married couple started getting flagged for showing their marriage kiss. We pick and choose all day what we want to see. I say let their spiritual leader handle them and the rest can unfollow.
That depends on what the working definition of PDA is. A peck would be fine but then someone might want to take it overboard and start groping.
I find it interesting! I think he’ll end up taking it down at some point. We’ve all been there… seemed like a good idea at the time. I will say as a Christian it is fun to see other Christians having fun, like the ring photos. It will all come down to how he wants to portray himself and his wife/marriage-and feel it’s ok with his relationship with God.
Those are good insights :)
Honestly, The ring photo is childish also. All the normal people I know show their rings off by putting their hand out or up with five fingers showing. It's mostly only this generation that thinks its funny doing the one finger in pics because you know why.....
@@solochristo65 Is this a trend? I got married 11 years ago (before social media) so am a bit out of the loop. It’s cringe if it’s like the Christian wedding photo to take.
OH NOOOO!!! A married couple excited about their spouse's body and implying they're going to have married sex... 😮😮😮😮😮
It was a nasty picture y'all. If you want to dance like that with your spouse, do it at home in private, but don't post it on instagram. Especially as a Christian.
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Shut up y'all be posting pictures on Instagram all the time.
I wonder how Chandler Moore will feel about his posts when he is 30yrs.
Age has nothing to do with maturity.
Wholeheartedly believe on your stance and what you shared in this video. For someone that holds such a public position in the Christian world they should feel more of a weight and authority of everything they post - that authority is going to show through in a good or in this case bad way!
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I agree with what you guys are saying. However, to me it doesn't matter how many followers you have, what it's not acceptable is not acceptable and period. It doesn't matter the platform you post on, God hasn't led us to do those type of things regardless of how many people are following you. Hope it makes sense. The pic was so inappropriate and I am not judging. Just an area of his live he needs to work on.
Agree
Even “small time” worship leaders should conduct themselves well. Regardless of big or small the question to the church body is; “Are we correcting…IN LOVE?” We do the correction (judgement) part well…seems all tough and no love most times though.
I agree with you guys. Sex is a beautiful gift, but it is meant to be a completely private thing. Even a "simulation" of it as a joke just crosses a line, in my opinion. It's taking something private and sacred and bringing it in the public eye as a joke.
I tend to agree🙏
The other point as well is why would you want to have your wife shown in front of millions in that position? That’s so disrespectful to her