Ding vs Nepo: Who wins 2023 World Chess Championship? | Magnus Carlsen and Lex Fridman
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2022
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Full conversation with Magnus Carlsen: ua-cam.com/video/0ZO28NtkwwQ/v-deo.html
Quick note from Lex: The camera on Magnus died 20 minutes in. Most folks still just listen to audio-only version, but here on UA-cam we did our best to still make it interesting to watch & listen by adding image overlays. I mess things up sometimes, like in this case, and it hits me hard when I do. I'm sorry for this. I'm always working hard to improve. I hope you understand. Thank you for your patience and support along the way. I love you all.
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Watching Magnus saying this after the Ding won the championship 2023, it is really spot on that exactly how it went a really close match with a slight edge in Ding's favor
Not really though. Yeah, Ding won but it was Ian who was pressing throughout the match.
@@yusouph2002 pressure doesn't mean much if you're not able to find the winning line or breaking through your opponents defence after putting pressure,
Ding was able to defend really well and take the opportunities,
18 games in a row is a good sample size to prove you can dominate your opponent,
For me the match proved them extremely leveled, in my opinion magnus' comment on this interview is exactly what happened on the match, it could literally have gone either way... (No clear dominance of Ding over Ian or Ian over Ding)
@@yusouph2002 Magnus explained it pretty well why non professional would think that way.
I like how Magnus can talk about himself and his advantages without some false humility. Facts are facts.
This is a weird comment, man. It’s agreeable on the surface, yet I get the distinct impression it’s motivated by all the wrong things.
@@fredrik8500 I agree, and you put it quite eloquently tbf.
Please tell me what sinister motivations I have because I’m lost.
@@micahclawrence I apologize for the length, but answering your question is gonna take some writing.
though it’s wild speculation on my part what your motivations are, your reply certainly gives off the same vibe as your comment. Or rather the way you chose to phrase both. Your reply for starters. You ask what sinister motivations you have, but I never said they where sinister. Just wrong, i.e. bad. So it’s strange that you phrase it back as if I accused you of having malicious intent. Also the sarcastic tone of your reply, as if you couldn’t have bad reasons for doing/thinking anything, is curious. This could of course be because you’re defensive, but it could also be because you’re a narcissistic person. The sort of person who thinks he’s superior to others, and feels that upholding any pretense that he’s not is tiresome. Who thinks all humility must be false, and that we should do away with it… see what I’m getting at? No? Well like I said, it’s just wild speculation. I wouldn’t stake my life on it or anything.
The one thing I will say for certain though, is that if the people who know the price of everything and the value of nothing had a catch phrase, it would be “facts are facts”.
@@fredrik8500 all the wrong things is easily taken as malicious intent. Good God forget I asked. Thanks for the free dime store mentalist show. I assume there are no refunds.
And he was right Ding Liren showed to be stronger and won the title
It makes me feel a little bit bad for Nepo too.
I'm a newbie, but I imagine, that coming back for another try at the title will be even harder in the next time.
@@samstone011995 that is life bro just chill, someone had to lose and stronger deserves.
This question is actually fascinating. It's cool hearing Magnus talk about the strengths and weaknesses of other top players. His insight into the dynamics at play is second to none, which makes sense given he is by far the best in the world.
Magnus was right when he said Ding is very good at material imbalances and clock timing. He proved that in rapid Game 4 against Nepo in WCC
I hope the reason Ding did not do well in the first half of the candidate tournament was that he did not have enough time to prepare, both in chess variations and in having enough sleep (as he said).
These factors will be corrected because the chance of becoming the champion is now very concrete.
he also did not have a team with him. He was all alone
He had Richard Rapport and his mom.
@@douwehuysmans5959 theyre talking about the candidates
he had jetlag
Feeling bad for nepo, he wanted his revenge
He even crushed crushed candidates
@@NotAnemia 🤣🤣
@@NotAnemia yup. And these morons have the nerve to "feel bad" or say "he has a chance".
Nepo can’t and won’t ever match Magnus
@@cmc2110 why
@@cmc2110 stranger things have happened in history of chess. Kramnik won a match against Kasparov when he was dominating (he had bigger elo difference with the second place then Magnus)
Imagine being world champion but knowing there’s somebody out there better than you
Ding just won, congrats!!! Well-deserved by him, very talented player and one of the very few that can outplay Magnus on his day.
Momentum can be such a deadly weapon for champions, love it
This aged better than fine wine.
Magnus probably believed in Ding more so Ding won
Ding got screwed over by rules changes, by corona, online play time, deny travel, deny visa, and much more. and he is still rated above Nepo. If it’s pre pandemic ding or even better, he is gonna win.
I agree.
He was lucky to even play in the candidates given how america forced karjakin to step down
he just won man, he is a 2800 player, Ian has never been 2800
I like how we can distinguish chess player styles loosely according to their personalities
To have an understanding of another player’s calculation depth is impressive because it means you have learned by playing them or by studying their games that they miss certain moves that require a certain depth of calculation to make sense. I’m not sure this pattern would be easily discernible to weaker players.
This is because he has out calculated Nepo often in deeper lines to win an edge in their games against each other. Whereas Ding has kept pace with him through the complexity. His understanding of others' calculations is really measured in terms of a comparison with his own. Ding probably has a good idea on Magnus's and Nepo's calculation depth as well. It is why Ding never shied away from bringing Nepo into complexity during their match. Remember game 6, with Ding's mating net that no super GM could understand even with Stockfish 15. Remember game 12, where Ding threw Nepo off course into a blunder with his Queen move.
I think that Nepo will beat ding in the WCC match.
He is more stronger player than last year + experience having played already in a WCC match.
Ding barely got into 2nd place because Hikaru faltered near the end. But as that say it is what it is. But I would bet that Nepo becomes next WC.
lost bet
Lmao, give me my $100k you lost your bet
@@v.k.sharma9240 lol that's not how its work
Dude there is reason why Magnus is the goat. His analysis of these 2 players are spot on
Magnus was right 😅
Ding will win. He is the better player. And he is on fire.
he proved it in the most clutch manner possible.
only a world class champion can see who has the edge. Ding won
The best chess players seem to have massive heads, especially the top half. I guess to fit all those brains lol
yep
It is not the big brain that is smart it is more in connections. This is why one of the smartest animals in world is the crow
I dont think big equals better. Chess is memory and calculation. U need only a strong, healthy brain for that. Not a big brain.
It deserves mention, RE the 2016 WCh with Karjack : Magnus "won" by the score of 6-6. And that was one win for Karjakin, one win for Magnus and ten draws. [He "won" according the fashionable newer 21st century style rules, in that after the match was over, they proceeded to a "rapid tiebreak." However *rapid* chess is a different discipline -- it even has a separate world championship, as does (thirdly) blitz chess. So then, after 12 games to have "beaten" your opponent six to six ... well [cough] sort of. It's interesting to hear how Magnus tells this story, as if he actually remembers it that way!.]
He had a similar situation with carauna. Yet he described it differently.
He's saying he didn't play at his best.
wow this is actually something I kind of half thought about before but I have a way better understanding of it after listening to Carlsen's comments, its what I was getting at just free thinking but could never come to the conclusion of. But to go off topic a bit, small sample size matches are kind of necessary because nobody wants to view a 100 game match. On the other hand, like the video explains small sample sizes do not do a good job of making sure the better player wins as often as they should. So what's the fix is my question? Do we just need to create a better game? Is small sample size not being a great indication of ability really a flaw?
Is this the golden age of chess in terms of popularity and strength in the players.
No there were other periods in past
@@innosanto In popularity?
@@iuricunhamurakami8261 Boris vs bobby
@@samarthadanvadi878 Soviet vs One Man
And that man went mad...
‘What do you mean by imbalances’ - boy. ‘What do you mean by offside’.
non-chess players listen to the podcast so he has to ask
Nailed it
Prophecy came true
ding ding ding
Aged beautifully
He was right
Ding won
Insightful and spot on
looks like magnus was right
This Magnus guy looks kinda different from what I imagined with that suit.
I find it highly disappointing that whoever wins the world title, won't even be the "actual" best player in the world. I wish Magnus would have competed. It will be strange to have a world champion who isnt the world's best player.
Maybe next year magnus will play, since its against ding now
If ding gets support from chinese tech which i think he will win it . Someone who is hardworking as ding without great team behind him, imagine if he gets all necessary support from chinese government. It will be close match very close but I believe ding will win .
Bs
what?? ding will field the best chess prep team he can personally. he doesnt need aid of the chinese government youre dilusional
He has 17 seconds helping him. I think he gets a lot of support.
@@korrupt_ he needs government support. Go and check support nepo got they built best chess computer in the world .
@@duda-eg5ww no they didnt, what?? "best chess computer" there are so many factors to that you have no idea what yopure talking about
Nepo win, without tiebreaks, but not so easy.
xD
@@samstone011995 ding win. Biblical. He refused triple three repetition, with 1 minute, and he win. Ding deserve the wcc. Nepo collapsed. Congrats, to the new champion 👏👑🎉🎊🏆🇨🇳. For all nepo fan boy🤫. This is history. Two Chinese players wcc. Him, and wenjun. Or Lei tinjie, if defeats ju.
@@marcocroci3504 I believe nepo was shock quite a bit when ding refused the repetition with only 1 minutes left
@@Gramaa1322 its right, ended so. Ding deserve wcc. He had 1 minute on clock, refused the draw for triple three repetition, and he win. Hope many Chinese people, begin play chess.,for ding China on chess, is very strong, but it's almost impossible find Chinese players, not professionist. I play rapid, and blitz tournament, i never played, against Chinese players. German, France, Albanian, danish, Ukrainian.yes. Chinese never.
@@Gramaa1322 in the same time, I feel bad for nepo. Seeing him, so trembling and devastating its very sad. The head, was for nepo, the heart for ding. Two great players and humble guy.
i hope nepo wins. he has been playing great lately and i think it is fair to say that he is #2 strongest player currently. also ding is a humble guy but it would not be very interesting to have him as a champ, one of the reasons is the language barrier...
So someone being champion is interesting or not based on a language barrier? You have your own language barrier obviously. Don't act like you're any better.
@@lane1313 I think he says Ding is kind of boring and one of the reasons is because he seems bad at english(?), Nepo is not very good either but usually people would like the champion to be a good spokeperson marketing their sport, of course a chinese guy would say otherwise. But only in China people care about Mandarin.
@@lane1313 i dont act like i am better than anyone i sayed ding is a humble guy, good guy i have nothing against him, if he wins so be it but i will be supportingg nepo because i like his playing style and i like him as a person. if ding was playing somebody else like karjakin i would support ding. i did not mean to disrespect anyone i think it is normal in sport to support one of the teams/players like i always support georgian armwrestlers does that mean that i hate every other armwrestler? no.
what a stupid thing to say, so Nepo should become the chess champion because he is better in English? wtf? Are they competing in spelling bee?
@@Lucart123456lol read my comment abovee you dummy
NEPO DESERVE TO WIN. AND HE WILL WIN.
India.
Obviously Nepo will win this match, but it's ultimately meaningless anyway. Once the best player in the world by far is no longer World Champion, the World Champion title loses all meaning
It's not obvious at all that Nepo will win.
Obviously...what a cracked opinion
@@KemosabeTBC yes it is bruh Ding is a master choke artist in big matches. it is extremely obvious
@@GJAkuo it's a logical opinion, only a dumbass could think Ding has a chance
@@joedorben3504 He doesnt choke as bad as nepo did in game 6 of the 2021 wcc. u didnt give any sound of logic other than OBIVIOUSLY which isnt logical. its a fanboy opinion.
Nepomniatchie is improved from last year and may be playing his all-time best chess while Magnus is on a slight decline.
Nobody really thinks that Ding is the favorite here. This to me seems a little bit like Magnus posturing.
These issues are settled on the chessboard end of Magness as a band in the field and he will not be world champion and talk about him being better than anybody else is silly
He's 50 ELO higher than #2. It's not only not silly, it's unanimous except for you.
Ding won, yes he is shaky but Ian did not capitalize.
No chance for ding
He won, was a tough match. Saying Ding has no chance means you know nothing about chess.
@@congdao3444 ding, deserve wcc. He refused, a triple three repetition, with 1 minute on clock, and he win. Biblical. I dreamed, two Chinese wcc❤️🇨🇳🎉🎊👏👑👑🏆🏆. Hail to ding, the king, the new champion. 🤫. Ps nepo fan boy, shut up🤫.
you dont know until the very end
@@anonymousplayer8174 i said nepo fan. Nepo, is a very humble man. A great player, impossible not love him. I like ding, and nepo. It's sad, seeing nepo cry, and trembling. Losing, the last rapid round its devasting. But, he had a great advantage, ding, with 1 minute on clock, refused the triple three repetition, and he win. For this historic period, was better win nepo. His country, need something good. I'm happy for ding, but sad for nepo. Losing so, it's very devasting.
@@marcocroci3504 Yes and Nepo also plays as white so he's more likely to win but still lost
DING WON!!!