THE UK IS NOT READY FOR INTERNET-ONLY TV
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- Опубліковано 15 лют 2024
- The reports are in... the UK is supposedly NOT READY for total INTERNET-ONLY TV coverage, even as far ahead as 2040...
What does this spell for the public service broadcasters? With FREELY on the horizon, competition having their own streaming based services, does this report deal them a fatal blow? What else does this report claim? All will be revealed and detailed...
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I really don't like the idea of internet only TV. I had an issue with my internet when it went down not long ago, and was so grateful I could still watch TV - I wouldn't have been able to do that if it was internet only!
Most tv's that allow you to record to USB stick only have one tuner whereas the Humax boxes had or have twin tuners if I'm not mistaken. Not sure if you can record from streaming services though?
Yes, I agree. Keep terrestrial as a backup. We still need it as not everybody has the net or wants it for that matter. Even though I use UA-cam as my TV as terrestrial is just rubbish, I can see why people don't.
While I think the move to internet will happen, there's one area where I think a small number of at least radio broadcasters still need to survive. That's for emergency broadcasting.
I live in Australia, where bushfires are common, and everyone at least needs to give some thought about how they might get access to information. First might be standard broadband - but power outages could easily knock my PC or Internet offline. Second might be mobile phone data - however there is the risk of equipment damage or congestion which might hinder access to information.
I deliberately buy phones that have FM radio capabilities. That's deliberate because if those two options become unavailable, at least I have a third way to get information - though as an even further backup, I have a CB radio at the ready and I know what channels are active in my area, so that's an even further backup.
This is why I think maintaining one or two channels that can be used to push out emergency information is still desirable. Modern internet is great, but natural disasters can cause localised outages. Having other methods as backups is wise.
+1
@@NMY556LNo, to record from a streaming service you're going to need a HDMI capture card that can crack HDCP encryption and setup a PC or laptop to do it.
As someone who lives in the US, the biggest threat to Antenna over-the-air is ATSC 3.0's DRM encryption
that's exactly what i've been saying! i feel like not even the "local networks as a public service" requirement could stop whatever lobbyists wanna make the networks more money from cable, satellite, etc.
@@EricE549 It's their feeble last attempt at trying to rescue overpriced cable TV.
I'd agree with that, I live in London and BT have only JUST upgraded our phone lines to 500mb a few weeks ago from 40mb after nearly TWO decades.
But, this is like the Digital TV switch over all over again.
Digital TV 2.0
no more tv
Wow Larry Bundy Jr, where have you been, it's 4 months since you posted a video, I getting withdrawal symptoms
You've had 40mb/s for two decades? Really? Lucky you - that is more than enough to watch several HD channels, so I'm not sure what you are complaining about, if indeed you are...
@@dangruner5926 Well, maybe less for a while. definetely started out with 512kb back in 2003. Got broadband just to play Xbox Live :D
That's really odd, whereabouts in London? Would've thought the capital would've been the first place to get proper upgrades. Anyway I hope you are well Larry
In the US, we still have the option of paying for cable but even the streaming services here are starting to resemble cable and cost an arm and leg.
And a lot of the smaller, local cable services that used to exist have since been absorbed by larger outfits, who are simply not servicing low population areas anymore because they don't want to pay for the maintenance. Which means the only option may be even pricier and less reliable satellite services like Dish Network. It's really quite a mess.
Very similar situation to DAB at present. There is a push to move everyone over but where I live the signal is so patchy and poor its not usable.
Until most cars in existance have it built in and coverage is a lot better there is no way they can switch off FM any time soon.
Will be the same for DTT, they will want to push it fast but until Openreach & others fully fibre up the country then this wont happen.
What the TV companies could do is provide funding to push the roll out a lot faster, as was done with the licence fee years ago. This would certainly speed up the move towards switch off.
I just added dab to my old car. Got a new car a week ago with dab already in.
Anyway I'm well aware of the dab coverage issue being interested in hobby radio etc. But I was still shocked that on holiday in Yorkshire last year, the DAB signal basically didn't exist 😂
Totally gone it was. On the cliffs around Filey you could just about get it.
FM was patchy too. But still there.
And the state of mobile networks along main routes is laughable! And that's not Yorkshire I'm speaking of but the A roads from Bedford to Bristol.
Who the hell makes up crap about being able to stream on such a journey 😂
So that's why I like having a CD player in my car. Mp3 playback too, in fact that works a bit better as I listen to two hour long podcasts mostly.
Freely should be launched, but we should retain traditional transmission
I live in a village, my internet connection can go down 4 or 5 times a week, I relie on TV as it is, I’m in my early 20s, so the age where all people my age stream, but when I try streaming, I’m normally having to curse the Internet,
That's exactly why there needs to be the option of traditional non-Internet delivered tv to fall back on when this happens.
Have you tried a 4G/5G based ISP like Three? They do broadband now.
It does seem like traditional telly is being phased out fairly quickly. It seems like channels are closing down all over the place, and that’s a bit concerning. Your point in this and other videos is a good example. Not all of the UK has internet access. I do think the internet could be good, but I’d like to have the option of channels as well.
Ok
Who wants internet TV anyway? Switch off Freeview and that's it for me.
Great video! Makes perfect sense!
I'm in Wales (more specifically North Wales, we have a lot of rural places and some have dreadful phone coverage on certain providers, so it must be the same for internet bandwidths), so there are some areas of Wales that can't even receive decent phone signals, let alone good internet! More so in rural areas of Wales, but I also live in a small city in Wales, and our phone reception is terrible, for networks such as Three and O2 for example.
Yeah some parts will struggle for the tiniest bit of signal
You'll just have to do without.
Books still will exist although the library probably won't.
Isn't the internet great!
Maybe for people that don't want an internet connection to watch TV maybe it could be a resurgence of companies like British Relay where they made the first cable TV service for areas where reception via aerial to transmitters couldn't be reached maybe it could still use some sort of coaxial connection and some kind of relay from the company of the internet TV stations? 🤔
Wonder how much a sat transponder channel costs? I suppose a starting point is getting rid of any remaining SD channels and basically HD or notting. A lot of the weaker channels are slowly closing down, surely that trend will continue and at some stage only the large main channels will remain and they will probably be some social obligation on them in the future to offer a basic traditional service till full shut down a long while into the future.
Hopefully in that future free access to the internet is commonplace and national TV and radio could be accessible to all.
It used to be just the cost of a TV, which typically made us give our old TV away to old relatives for free, cost of the licence and 5 channels, originally 4. I remember being quite satisfied as a kid with BBC1 and 2, ITV and channel 4.
The radio was available practically everywhere for free! 😮
Then Freeview came out and we all had to buy new TVs or retrofit old ones with boxes, which some still do to this day! I remember setting up several boxes for my grandmother who watched TV a lot and listened to the radio in between knitting and gardening and making us apple pies.
Her husband was dead and she lived totally alone with a couple of cats. The faces and voices on the TV and radio was all she had to while away the days in-between us being able to come over for tea.
I'm looking at my future as I get to that stage to find I may not even have that. No grandkids to speak of, might not be able to afford broadband depending on how small a pittance I get from my pensions which isn't even looking like I might even be able to claim them as the age goes up and up.
I might not even be able to operate a touchscreen on a phone or tablet as I might get the same problem my mum has with her hands.
I'll probably end up wasting away in a dark quiet house looking at a dead old fashioned TV as my garden I can no longer manage overgrows.
I'm preparing now, I have loads of DVDs and Blu-rays and books if I can still see well enough to read. I have audio CDs I can play too. I just need to print off a load of photos for an album that I can stare at to remember things and people I likely won't see often enough.
Thanks national TV broadcasters. I wasn't looking forward to getting old already as it is, now its even more less attractive.
Oh well. I'm just feeling sorry for the poor sod who discovers me passed away in my armchair watching a dads army dvd.
The big problem is that the satellites only have a limited life, roughly 15 years. And there's already rumblings that the current Astra 2 fleet will not be replaced.
I think BBC is going to demand TV licence for those wanting Internet....
Don't forget - we ALL get a sample of what it's like to live without fast internet. Even the best ISP has outtages - and these are still much more common than power/water/gas outages, at least in the UK. And there's things like "just moved home" - it still takes time to get internet 'switched on'. Despite so many moving home technicalities needing to be done online. Yes, you can 'do it on your phone' but what if you want to take a break from unpacking to watch some TV before the ISP delivers? You've probably used up your data changing addresses on almost-everything, haven't you? None leftt to watch the telly with.
I have just dumped Plusnet due to too many outages and now use 5G broadband for the internet
with a 4G backup for when it has an outage.
I feel like terrestrial tv could become a regional thing if the internet connection is patchy in some areas. Even so i feel like a lot of this scaling back is down to cutbacks which is also the same reason why internet connection has yet to improve in some areas.
what will happen to gogglebox without traditional tv schedules
Googlebox already watch streaming content from Netflix, Disney+, Paramount etc, so not difficult for them to adapt
Dunno
The UK is so f... up that people who were renting their own house/flat, have had to give it up and moved into shared housing to rent a crappy room, no longer able to watch TV. The low standard of living we find ourselves in must prevent people from watching live TV where you need an aerial or satellite dish.
TV is very important for some people. The escapism and connection. Big shows bring people together, people talk about them.
Its mass immigration
Down here in Taunton, Somerset, it’s BT or nothing - my family keep trying to get me to switch over to Virgin - how am I supposed to do that if it’s not available here?
I've had Openreach FTTP, and it's been completely faultless for three years. Late last year Virgin Media came to our street along with a salesman at the door. I told him I'd never switch to them. Many people who have it have told me of the many problems they've had with that service.
Excellent video as always Adam, thank you.
Thank you for watching!
Apart from anything else covered here, much love to your gan Adam- still going strong I hope. ❤️❤️❤️
I knew it, thanks for this video
Bring back 5 analogue 625 line TV channels I say.
I'm hoping it will go that way. I'm hoping the national main channels, 1,2,3,4 and 5 will be mandated by government to broadcast via free to access radio as they do today so that those without internet access, anyone really will not have any reason to be excluded from news and national events, education and entertainment. They could do that with just one Freeview multiplex which can also carry the main radio stations too.
You want more free TV from Freely well that when you have to pay to get the internet access you need for free TV.
When I'm on a pension and I'm trying to stretch the pittance of that for god knows how long the first thing I'm getting rid of is anything that is a subscription or not a one off payment. So bye bye broadband, don't need it. If they offer a free tier I'll have that but otherwise I'm cutting the chord. I currently pay £6 a month for 1GB of mobile data and that's as much as I'm going to consider having in that stage of my life.
So I'll hope they have free to access national TV and radio in 40 years or I'll have to hope they have free internet access for such data.
The real reason why some are pushing for internet only TV, is to access the TV transmitters to transmit 5G internet. In the US, linear TV still matters. People like watching over-the-air TV as they call it there. In fact they get a lot of free channels.
Largely because the country is so large that there are large swaths of the population here that will never see high speed internet rolled out to them, because of the distance and cost to the providers, so OTA is really the only viable option if you don't want to get gouged for satellite services that may not even offer channels relevant to your local area.
No more terrestrial TV broadcast, and no Internet..
Just think, that would be " millions" of new people who wouldn't require a TV licence 😊
I had read the article already as Google suggested it to me and was intrigued and thought you'd make a vid on the topic which you have! 😁👍🏻 Personally, I earn not much more than minimum wage and live by myself. The majority of my wages goes on rent and bills.
In my area there is 'acess' to high speed internet like full fibre FTP, but it will come at cost of £50-60 a month depending on the speed you want.
I have unlimited data on my phone for £35 a month, not on contract. I can go down to £25 a month for 100gig whenever I like. I have 4G coverage at my home so I find that I can just use my phone hotspot to connect to my telly if I want to stream anything on a big screen on catch-up. Otherwise I watch live tv or watch on my phone/ipad. Works quite well for me.
Not only that ... what's happened to the supply of Freeview recorders from brands such as Humax? I'm used to being able to record live broadcast TV and replay it when I want to, skipping over adverts and such. Most streaming platforms force you to endure runs of adverts unless you pay for the "Premium" service. Forget using advert-blockers as sites can detect those too. Come on someone sort this out. I'm in my 40's and am well used to recording programmes to VHS tape and later Hard Drive and I suspect that people who do that are doing someone out of advertising revenue hence why I'm struggling to find new hard Hard drive recorders on Amazon. also, am i correct in saying that Sky are really heavily pushing Sky Glass as opposed to traditional broadcast satellite TV? Might be worth doing a video on how TV technology and viewing habits have changed in recent years?
I like to record what I want and view it when I like, Freely will effectively stop that.
Can you not plug a memory stick into your TV's USB socket and record on that?
EETV/BTTV already offer Freeview channels over IP aka broadband only. You can record multiple IP internet broadcast stations at the same time then whizz through ads. I think you’re confusing internet broadcast TV here and on demand apps. Not the same thing as what freely is going to be.
Don't leave us traditional TV, please don't 😥 Cheers as always Adam, keep it up
we wasn't "ready" with the digital switch over its the same thing all over again they just need to pull their thumb out their bum and get on with it
Your just right there i was thing
that myself
It can work the other way around. I can't remember the last time my broadband was down for more than an hour or so.
But here on the coast in kent, in times of high atnospheric presure, and massive co channel interference from the contenant, i have often gone WEEKs with no free view.
Make Freeview available up and til between 2057 and 2062
Agree 100%
You Have To Pay For The Internet
Yes, well you have to pay for a TV Licence sky, in fact everything you have to pay for for watching TV
@@Pauldjreadmanthat's not the same. You pay the TV licence to fund the BBC, not to gain access to radio reception.
Radio reception is free thus accessing TV and radio is free. Besides the TV licence is a mere fraction of the cost of a broadband connection.
Just like you fund libraries through council tax yet anyone can freely access a library, currently... Imagine in a few years that everyone is told they can freely take out any books they like. As long as they can pay at the door for entry 😂
We'll still have the "main" channels, though, right? I mean, my Mum flicks through the channels at night, but you'd swear her version of Freeview only has 5 channels!! She certainly wouldn't mind if a huge number of channels go away. As long as she has the 5 channels still available on whatever remains as terrestrial.
We know why there saying this, ever since the UK became the 4th top country in the world for internet they think that's all it takes
They and Everyone TV plus the major broadcasters are pushing it into service too fast and far too quick, without considering the possible downfalls and problems etc, plus it'll take several years to get decent Internet access to everyone, and what they haven't factored in is what if the internet goes down in a massive outage with no fallback option of conventional linear tv channel delivery? That hasn't been thought of!
Freely is designed specifically to give households the TV services most suitable for them at any given time, switching as seamlessly as possible between broadcast and internet. So long as broadcasters find that Freely sets are frequently switching away from Internet reception (detailed feedback being, of course, a big feature of the internet), they are most unlikely to pull the plug on all the transmitters.
When have they ever not done that? It's ridiculous
Online only TV will not happen - however, more new content will premiere first on the streaming services, which is what ITVX does now, before they air on linear.
ITV are deliberately interfering with the Freeview broadcast data that triggers set top recording boxes to record episodes of prime time shows. They're holding Coronation Street as a blackmailing chip to viewers who have to sign up to ITVX to view missed episodes, episodes that ITV deliberately made viewers miss.
I think possibly 2045-2050 we may have fast enough overall internet across the UK for Internet-only TV to happen but even then unless the Internet connection and speeds across the UK improve a lot there still could be problems. I think getting rid of DTT would still be a bad idea because what would happen in the case of Internet outages
The thing about low income households, the ISPs do (currently) offer social tarriffs, but they're over whatever technology is plumbed into the house. I have FTTC but only because I switched from a plan that installed fibre to my addrfess to the social tariff and even then, those social tarrifs are limited to claimants of certain benefits.
I'm with BT (at the moment, I'm sure I'll be switched over to EE soon enough) BT's social tariff doesn't limit my speed but it used to limit my bandwidth allowance. It wasn't until BT made their social tariff unlimited that I switched. But of course, there is the question, do EE have a social tariff for home broadband and if so, is it as generous as BT's social tariff? Because I eventually will be switched over to EE from BT.
I personally believe that unversal access to internet should involve the setting up of ISPs that are at least majority publicly owned, whether they be ISPs selling direct access in their own right or open networks that commercial competitiors rent space on.
Also, if the TV Licence gets replaced by a BBC tax on internet connections, then the BBC might be expected to invest in internet infrastructure and maybe become an ISP in their own right. We might see the return of the beeb . com brand!
Yes. We need a free tier of internet access specifically to allow free accto freely.
The costs however can still be paid by the licence fee or something of similar cost that replaces it. It would also be ok for the Freely router and line installation to be a one off cost to set up. But a one off cost.
Otherwise the actual freely access should not rely on any subscription or bills. Much like today and even more so with radio!
Saw an interesting video on another channel about why TVs have been getting cheaper and cheaper whereas other tech like phones have been going the other way. TV manufacturers are selling at cost price or less because they can sell the data of viewing habits and make their money that way. So another reason why they are all pushing streaming, easier to track viewing habits.
Personally I ditched TV licence and live TV years ago and use what I've saved for Netflix etc but I fully understand how it's gonna be a long way off before everyone can easily go internet only TV. Just look at the furore over the phone digital switch over!
It's still a long we off :)
I have both netflix and prime, both have a small selection of stuff. I frequently go back to live TV because it has more content after exhausting the streaming
With the shift to IP for home phones and television, it is now more than ever that we need a public solution to Internet service. We need a state owned and operated ISP service funded with tax payer money that is accessible to everyone. Paid for most people but poor families and people on certain benefits should get free access.
I don't have much hope though. We still have to pay private companies for electricity, gas and water. Three things we frankly need to survive in this day and age. God bless those vultures we call tories.
The great boredom... it's history
You’re right, considering there are areas in the UK where internet is slow, it’s going to be impossible for those people to have internet TV. Glad you discussed this Adam.👏👏👏
Antenna and sound like I’m not going anywhere
Of course Great Britain isn't ready for Internet Only TV. Hell, the United States where I'm from isn't ready for Online Only TV. I try to watch TV on Sling, and it buffers. Talk about paying a lot of money just to watch Comedy Central, Cartoon Network, HLN, TBS, TNT, FX, FXX, NatGeo, H&I, ABC, NBC, Fox, Reelz TV and Vice.
Very cynical from government and broadcasters. Who knows what the future will bring? We could have invested in whatever the manufacturers have invented and sold us that depends on over the air distribution, having to ditch it like a large proportion of us had to in the analogue switch-off age. Today's broadcasters are narrow-minded, clinging on to the past, slow to adapt. Fifteen years from now, I can't see us sat on a sofa surfing with the remote control for our entertainment.
that would be a terrible idea. In an ideal world where we all had 100% Internet always On coverage and super fast and unlimited data and also super cheap. I guess it will happen in time but is the UK ready for that, same with the phones etc. This will mean people who can watch TV for free (with a license) will suddenly have to have a router always on and also pay £20 a month or more for a service they can now get with a basic aerial .. who is pushing for this ?? Also what about Radio ??
You don’t have to pay for the TV license if you don’t watch live TV or BBC I player and the BBC should go commercial or subscription
If we're talking 2040 those old people will all be dead, and we'll be the old people
Yes, Mrs Davies, you now need to take out a 2 Terabyte a month Internet service to watch the News on the BBC. Oh, it'll cost you as well. You don't know what a router is or how to reset it?
Could Strictly, The Simpsons & Love Island might as well be the only programmes left on traditional TV by the time we get to 2040? Those probably will be the last 3 remaining shows.
Probably the soaps too. And the news. Well apart from holly oaks but that’s a whole different story
@@EGRAVEN-ge4nj It is more likely the soaps (and possibly the news) will end first before Strictly, Love Island & The Simpsons.
This area is interesting for me. I'm Australian and I worked with an ISP when our own NBN was being introduced. Our management at the time were of the opinion that our NBN was a waste of money, because the internet speeds of the time were more than adequate for the services of the day. I remember getting laughed at for foreseeing streaming services becoming more common which would drive the need for faster connection speeds. This was around 2008-2009 and I didn't own a TV at the time and so consumed all my video content digitally. I could tell that internet speeds of the time were the only thing holding back a push to Internet distribution, as this would be technically easier and cheaper to do than traditional delivery methods.
Sure enough, we now have the 'Netflix generation'. We have Plex. We have articles like the one this video is based off. Covid has meant that people are now more familiar with what this technology can do. This process has started because for _most people_ this is now achievable. As you allude to, the only challenge now is the number of people who can't access this broadband is still surprisingly high. Once this is fixed though, I can definitely see that these traditional networks will be all but shut down - except perhaps for emergency purposes.
I actually did a school assignment of not watching tv ~1975 ,, so then 1976 i watches what i missed,, adding 1 more year each non tv time,, so 81~ 83 was brady bunch,, i so wanted to not watch that ,,,
then well~ high school, which taught me to read the hobbit,,LOTR ,, and other books that needed imagination to read all day,,
so by 87~ 90 , i actually was watching MTV at UQ ,, NOTthe aussie richard wilkins version,,
90 ~ 93 back watching tv,,, but on university computers ,,
1992 to 1999 internet chats stopped me watching tv at alll
by 2005 ~ 2010,, i will call that , the foxtel ~ de ~disney era..
tv 2011~ 2016 ,, so i missed the whole BLUEY ERA, 2018~ 2023.
as content creator , i kept to my no tv policy ,,
but chatters would be forever talking about this BLUEY SHOW,, LOL
2024 so 7 years watching tv on the internet aussie style,,
the biggest learning curve is now i have a diary each time a neighbour tries to watch my smart tv
funny enough my youtube knows what i just watched ,, so recommends ,, the making of ,, or bloopers,,
as i am a CARRY ON series fan the actors from Dr who &other BBC SHOWS are on my recommends ..
also cos Samsung tvs have 150 channels in Aust ,,
there is always a wildlife show ,,
And all of that allows free to access TV and radio to be monetised going forward so that the population must now have the privilege of paying to access free TV and radio.
Me? When I'm 80 and my pension is running dry. I'll be daydreaming I can see images on the black TV screen.
If there is no terrestrial tv then we don't need a tv license
Internet is slow enough as it is.
Well a TV would of course be internet only if you take out the aerial
Don't pay the television licence.
Coexistence between the technologies to watch TV is the answer, NOT one replacing all the others
Here in the States, I have UA-cam TV. And I have a fiber Internet connection. Works pretty good and still cheaper than cable or satellite.
Internet TV is probably the dumbest idea they ever come up with. Bring back Teletext & Ceefax already.
It could work if you have zero cost access to the internet to watch it.
Perhaps a one off charge by an ISP to install a router for Freely use only, that wouldn't be usable for general internet access unless you added the usual broadband tariff. A one off £30 to get the Freely router with no subscription or line rental would make it more accessible.
But yes. That's not the point here. The broadcasters are trying to save money by shifting the cost of access onto use so we will pay through the nose to access free national TV and radio.
😅
BBC News in the Firestick browser is the closest thing.
Its true the uk does not have the infrastructure. But that wont stop the "powers powers that be", to carry on regardless . I use freeview HD wich is piss poor, 90% low quality standard definition.
My Auntie is in her 70's has just got wifi but can't use it her block of flats has got signal.She would be lost without tv as is her company as she lives alone.
I would also say i live on and island and Broadband isn't the greatest to access we have issues getting Sky and Virgin.
I’ve gone internet only and the only channels I have access to is the BBC through iPlayer and ITV through ITV X
You also have UA-cam too remember. For me, I have online TV through Netflix, BBC iPlayer, ITVX, Channel 4, My5 and also have Freesat for linear TV. So I only pay for Netflix and my broadband, and the licence fee.
@@johnking5174we are talking about TV. UA-cam isn't TV, unless someone uploaded something they shouldn't, which is a great way to get hold of old unreleased TV from my childhood lol
THey should keep it going to 2100! that way all the old geezers who relied on it won't even remember that it existed.
I see sky trying to start pushing it on ads. I see the world through both future and traditional eyes. You pay for the internet which uses the phone line, which are still on poles in the street. It's like building a Japanese Bullet train and running it on Victorian tracks. The one thing that needs to done first with the internet is make it hands free. We are still in the age of the smart TV and the keyboard based computer. Don't force it.
Wireless internet we already have it just doesn't work inside buildings well because of Physics.
So homes will always need a landline.
The issue is not whether it is wireless or not but whether it is free to access. Radio and TV are, you pay for the receiver just once and old ones that can be decades old still work because of standards. This stops them going to landfill and allows the old and poor to get free sets or cheap ones from charity shops. But with the Freely app all smart TVs become obsolete every few years as the app won't be guaranteed to run on a 20 year old Freely TV, my 2012 smart TV isn't smart anymore and hasn't been for 5 years!! Yet broadcast TV and radio, apart from some minor changes such as adding of HD channels, work all TV and radios. Even old analogue TV'S just need a digibox which are still available or again in the charity shops or on eBay for just a few quid.
That's the power of free to access mediums like radio, anyone anywhere can access it anonymously and without payment besides the TV licence which is cheap and you don't need that for radio.
You have to pay a TV licence which is a tiny cost compared to average broadband costs (some might be able to chase sign-up deals but others are locked into one provider who can charge more and more. Mine is £70 a month for example).
This is nothing more than a shift of costs onto the public. Instead of the broadcasters paying for frequencies and antennae they will give us so called free TV that we now must pay through the nose to access.
That is a betrayal of what TV and radio always were supposed to represent.
They'll do the libraries next. Free access to books for all? No, subscribe to get a card that opens the door. Leave the poor and old living off pennies (remember we nearly got rid of their cash too) looking in the window remembering the days they used to go in and get any books they wanted for free for any reason.
Free internet access, that's what's needed. Every household must have totally free, or the cost of a one off fee, internet access that provides only freely. General purpose internet access can be added on optionally for the usual subscription costs.
This national TV is supposed to inform and educate everyone regardless of ability to pay. We used the medium of TV to educate people on how to use computers for crying out loud. There were many ways to not pay the licence free, legal ones. Heck a few people still pay the B&W fee!!!!!
You can't replace something as essential as that with something not fit for the task because only the rich can afford it 😂
I wonder how going forward, people will ever discover what's on. I like the idea of live TV, but with all the ads plus streaming, I don't find the time. Still, now I have no idea what's on the BBC, C4, etc, and have missed seasons worth of shows I would have enjoyed (not all on streaming either). Even the BBC runs trailers for their own broadcasting, and it's so useful. Amazon prime is the only streamer that gives you (skippable) trailers for other Amazon shows that help. I feel it already, without the live TV model, I just don't know what's on, so it's a feedback loop of me watching less and less telly as time ticks on
I've found I will discover an old show on streaming and watch nothing but that. Right now I'm only watching Little House on the Prairie!
After I finish watching just one thing, like the 2 months I spent watching Babylon 5 again, I go and find that I totally missed all the trailers for a load of stuff on the BBC etc that I actually want to watch or record.
I nearly missed a season of DR Who, I totally missed the last season of Doc Martin.
My parents just buy the TV guide. I thought they would have abandoned that but no, they pick up "what's on TV" every week and I have fallen out of the habit and now think if I were to get it too, pouring over the schedule every week, I could record stuff I don't want to miss while I'm still digesting Little House
Putting the TV channels online is the way to go. you only need 2.5Mb to stream content in SD and 10 Mb for HD content. It was claimed a few years ago that they wanted people to have at least a 10 Mb connection by 2028. In 2008 I could only get a 0.25 Mb speed in the village I lived in at the time, but since I moved, 2011, I've been able to get a 45 Mb speed. Put the TV online and it could make people see that they don't really need TV for their day to day usage as they can get radio that's free. The only problem with an internet only based TV is that if the person loses their connection then they also lose their TV service which, IMHO, would be no big loss as I've being Licence free for 36 years since August 1983, of the 41 years I've being responsible for the TV in my home, only paying between August 2011 and ending in August 2016.
Radio will be over the internet as well.
This whole thing is a con. They don't want to pay for the antennas and licenses for the radio frequencies anymore, they pay for that which is why TV and radio and satellite are free to us to access. The licence fee at £150 or so helps pay for the BBC including their transmission costs while other channels use advertising although they too get a little bit of the licence fee.
But now they want US to pay for the transmission medium, changing it from free and ubiquitous access (radio goes everywhere with just some boosting needed in difficult locations) to a massively more expensive broadband or mobile data connection that we must arrange ourselves. So you now must pay the £150 licence fee on top of the £720 for the broadband to watch so called free national TV 😂
I pay £60 a month for my broadband and make do with £6 a month for 1GB of mobile data, which obviously would be useless for watching Freely. But I have people in the family that pay £25 a month for mobile data that lasts them 10 days of streaming, then they do without. They have no broadband at home so for most of the month they watch LIVE broadcast TV on the box. All this would stop them and others like them watching TV, they can barely watch Netflix as it is!
The radio stations will also be shut down.
Also you can say goodbye to the idea of second hand TV'S as well! Freely is an app that must run on up-to-date hardware. Old hardware will end up unsupported, my smart TV was smart in 2012 when it was bought, only 10 years ago. It ain't smart anymore! But it and so many others much older can still receive Freeview as that standard never changed besides the additional HD channels. Freeview SD has been standard for a while now and less well off families, like my relatives are happy knowing that after scraping together the licence fee they just need a TV which they can get second hand or very often FOR FREE!
Now that Freely is an app, we now have planned obsolescence in TV. Your 10 year old Freely TV will eventually not be capable of logging into the app, they will even just simply delete it. Instead of having a message to re-tune, you now have a message telling you to scrap the TV and buy a new one.
You could use a box with HDMI output like a fire TV stick or NowTV stick but they are as fickle as the TV. They too become e-waste eventually although cheaper to replace than the TV.
So we. The public must now pay for privileged access to "free national TV". You must have a TV that is new enough to run the app, and when it gets too old you must send it to landfill. You must have a payment plan with an ISP to rent internet access, or mobile data, if you have a smartphone and are not one of the weirdos who went back to dumbphones because you like the freedom and stress relief of being less connected.
All old TVs and eventually every radio digital or analogue that ever existed will be junked and radio will thus also be a free service, free to everyone who can pay for access.
This seriously has to be a f*cking joke?
Radio is cheap for us as we simply need to receive it. We don't need to talk to the remote end to get serviced. We just switch on and tune in. All older radios work as well as newer ones.
The new system will introduce a cost of reception to the public. You must now log in and participate in a network, so you must transmit as well as receive, which is more fickle than simply recieving.
It would be like shutting down all the water pipes in the country. No longer will you be able to turn a tap. Instead new public free water is delivered to your door as long as you arrange and pay for the deliveries 😂
They'll probably find a way to charge you for growing tomatoes in the garden while telling everyone how liberating and free growing your own is.
The ONLY way this can ever work is if with Freely you get FREE internet access for watching Freely. Free and uncapoed mobile data for Freely, and free uncapped broadband access just for Freely. You want general internet access to play games? Well that's when you arrange the ISP to give it to you but even when the ISP cuts you off because you didn't pay the bill, they should still serve you Freely. Free access for all who pays the licence fee and manages to get a device to watch on.
Will they do that? Free national access to the internet to watch the free national TV and listen to the free national radio? No. That would be smart now wouldn't it.
I live 1.5 mile from the cabinet meaning my speed is only 9mps downloads and 5mps uppload due to the distances my speed will not exceed 15mps meaning i will not able to watch HD programmes. Phone service's will still go over copper through a VPN service.
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Have a set top box with a 4G or 5G
Yes we are even the slowest mobile broadband speeds can stream HD which would require a 2MB feed
We need at least 100 meg min
Definitely agree with this - I don’t think anyone really is. Particularly with children’s tv - my concern is that this will only worsen attention spans by giving them access to watch things instantly rather than wait through ads. And right now, children’s television on tv has a law in place to ensure a certain amount of it is educational - with the move to online TV, these specially designed shows will likely be drowned out by the influx of other non regulated shows and videos, making the outcomes for gen alpha looking even more bleaker. I’m sure it won’t be the end of the world but it definitely is a change people should be thinking about the consequences of
You said the magic word: monetize. All other reasons are just a distraction.
If this happen you can bet your live them boroad band companies push there prices up
The internet is only 34 years old in the UK
I imagine they will do a managed migration over a period of 20 years from 2030.
I don't know. Freeview HD is only about 4-9 Mbs, averages out about 4-5 Mbs with statmuxing. A lot less for SD channels, which is most of them.The figures I see are 98% of addresses can get >24 Mbs, that's a lot of TVs at this data rate. In fact if Freely used a better codec H265, they could even get better TV quality. Freeview quality has been downgraded so much.
So if the will was there you could do this quicker than 2040, with a large support package paid for by some of the broadcasters savings,
Once they allow the people to have free internet access to watch free national TV and radio then that'll work.
For most of the country.
Less than 6 years away now 😅 some just can't be bothered about broadband that's the be all and end all of this just switched over to sky last month and had to switch my analogue phone to a net connection based phone 📱 line it doesn't work if the network is down so that's a big issue for older people who are landline phone olny
It’s yet another case of inexperienced people with to much power to create their ill prepared delusions… it’s taken some years to make a analogue system that works in almost all weather in almost all parts of the uk… then we went digital and it’s taken years to make that almost as good as the analogue systems but still not as good let alone better… now before we even iron out the kinks in that we are moving to internet only when we can’t cover the whole of the uk and won’t be able to for some years let alone high speed copper and even less so fully functioning full fiber… and even when we get there we don’t know if it will cause speed issues with how that system will then work or be maintained. On top of that the internet still suffers with extreme cold and heat heavy water and long spells of dry… so we are giving up a system that is not far from working how it’s intended to not working at all… and people overlook a major reason this is utter madness… news… we consume news in such a relaxed manner because it’s a regular thing but imagine you live on a farm in the middle of nowhere your only contact to see weather updates is your phone and/or tv “because they have already stripped back radio” now you need to be a medieval medium to tell if you should plan to work crops or do other things wile you wait… or if you are old and live in the countryside that tv is probably your only companion 6 out of 7 days but the internet goes down for 3 of those days “that could also take out connection with the world as some places use internet calls as phone signal is to weak… it’s moronic just like cashless society itself a joke… to many inexperienced young or city dwelling people have to much power and not enough knowledge to understand that it’s been this way for so many years because it works…
we are starting to put all our eggs in one basket! first phones now tv? - I'm all for advancement but thi is crazy!
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Due to a 5G mast a few hundred yards from my property i have ittle choice but to use the internet
for any TV that i wish to watch, which given the junk that is called entertainment by the BBC isn't a lot.
I have had multiple experts trying new aerials and filters to no avail, that 5G mast wins everytime.
So since it is there and the 5G signal is so strong. i now use a 5G modem which is faster and cheaper than
full fibre.
But this is of little comfort to those they still don't have a decent internet connection.
As usual , this country is still stuck in the victorian era when it comes to technology.
Is land line telephone going to be going through the internet?
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Yes, mine has been for a year
It already has been for the last decade or so.
The last step is the link from the box on the street to the house. But all our calls have been IP based behind the scenes for years now.
But BT have been told to halt the rollout till they can provide broadband upgrades to the rest of the country otherwise some houses will end up losing landlines in areas where there is no mobile signal.
The Future Of TV Is NOT READY FOR HUMANS
Also Charlie Wright Said WHAAAT
Don't know where you're getting 2040 from as all roads for change to everything we have ever known in life is targeted for 2030, with the usual Scotland, and possibly Wales, wanting to be the first to do anything and looking at doing everything 3 to 5 years earlier than any other part of the country. Don't believe me? Take a look at the state of current Freeview. Do you think that's going to last another 16 years to 2040?
Currently Freeview and Freesat are perfectly fine
@@dlarge6502 Freesat is missing channels and there's hardly anything worth watching now on Freeview channels compared to five years ago. Going through the EPG used to be something to look forward to. Not anymore. Hasn't been for a long time.
Freely will support both OTA and IP, 6 years is a long time if you look at the advancements made in recent years. I think it’s an unfair argument to make that change has come about quickly when broadband was already commonplace in homes 20 years ago. What’s unclear to me in your video is the definition of high-speed, high-speed today won’t be high-speed tomorrow. Also the percentage of internet users in the UK is raising daily, again the figure of those not using internet in another 5-10 years will be much fewer.
I personally know many people who have none of this "commonplace broadband".
They have mobile data, enough to stream netflix for a few days in a month. After that they do without. Who are they? Well, the grown up kids in the family, about 20-30 years old. When they have used up all the data they get a month they just watch live TV right now. So going forward, they will be able to watch so called free national TV and radio, with all the important national stuff, for what, a week? 😮
They don't have broadband at home because it's hyper expensive. It's hard enough for them to pay for an introductory deal. Being on universal credit they are trying to get a social tariff but that's been ongoing for the last month or so. Currently they also have no heating and hot water as the boiler died weeks ago. My uncle there has had strokes and can't work anymore and my cousin there works full time in a school. I pay for the mobile, £25 a month for always on data from Giffgaff. But once you use 80GB you don't get full speed till after midnight so WhatsApp and general browsing can work but like I said they can't watch iPlayer unless they stay up risking oversleeping. So they watch live broadcast free to access TV!
I pay nearer to £70 a month for my broadband as I'm on Virgin and there is no BT service here that can provide even a Fith of the bandwidth that this line can. To switch I'd have to book time off work to have BT reconnect my house to the line.
Then you have the planned obsolescence of new freely TVs which will all have to be scrapped every few years when they can no longer run the app. Speaking of which. I'm about to go to a charity shop to get a replacement TV so my cousin can continue watching something as her TV has packed up. Going to cost me all of £35 for a new one and she finds she might get a free one off Facebook marketplace even. Say goodbye to that in the future.
TV and radio are free to access. You buy a receiver, in the case of radio you can use anything made since god knows when. Sure you have a TV licence that you should pay, but that cost is a tiny amount compared my broadband cost! So as has been done for the 43 years I have lived and way before that, poorer households have always found ways to pay the licence, and in the case of the old and infirm running off the fumes of a pension, they used to get it for free (that was going to get scrapped if it hasn't been already).
I used to take solace in the fact that when I become a pensioner I will obviously get rid of the car and have a free bus pass and that if I find I can't afford broadband fast enough to stream or have hardware that can run the app, I will just watch free to access live TV and radio without the licence fee even. I will be able to sit there aching after gardening all alone watching some BBC comedy repeats or listening to a whole host of radio stations, for nothing other than the cost, which might even be free, of a device to receive it.
I have old FM and am radios galore here. Still work. Old DAB radios still working too, even if some can't receive dab+.
Now however it's called progressive if a common public access medium is locked up into a privileged access medium where you can get "free TV and radio" when and if you can afford to pay to receive it. It's bloody insane doublethink.
When I'm 80 I will probably be counted as one of the out of touch unseen and forgotten old fogies you lot will hear about on news stories, sitting in our chairs, falling asleep often, rewatching our old fashioned DVDs as we can't access anything else. No newspapers, no post, no radio, no TV, no phones.
Heck they'll take away the bus passes and probably charge people to enter libraries too!
I'll just switch to freesat, oh wait they are killing that too.
Sooo, the broadband or data usage will be free i guess, i mean it's in the name? Freely, sounds like a free tier of broadband where the ISP gives you zero cost access...
Yeah, I don't think that will happen. It's going to be like pay as you go TV, with a TV licence on top unless they get rid of it. Whats free about it?
So, internet TV eh? Guess that means everyone without broadband or data on their mobiles gets to read books. 😂
You see the BIG problem is that radio, and thus TV is free to access. You pay nothing (apart from the TV licence) to access the medium of transmission after you buy a TV. The government says that all homes will be able to access high speed broadband, but the thing is you don't get to use it unless you can pay £60 or more a month. Some of my family members have NO access to the internet via broadband and only get access via a single mobile phone for a small number of days every month. They can call and text and they have always on data but at a severely limited speed (approx 300kBs) during the day with full speed only at midnight till 7am!
In 2040 when this freely thing comes about, is it, for the cost of the licence fee, going to connect everyone that can be connected to broadband for free access? No, it won't. You will have to pay twice, once for the licence fee then again to get broadband or mobile access to even watch anything. Recording will be a thing of the past as it's streaming thus you can't keep episodes of EastEnders for 20 years. The BBC has barely managed to put any older stuff from the archives on iPlayer even today and I doubt that you will have any access to old episodes via Freely as it costs too much so everything will be ephemeral and vanish after a period of time.
It could work if you are given a Freely box that you pay for yearly as a replacement to the TV licence and this box plugs into a broadband line coming into the house, giving free access to the TV services for a year. These services won't include general internet access, you'd get that in addition to the Freely service by subscription to an ISP.
Will they do that? No.
And when you go camping what then
Shocking I mean by 2040 we should have futuristic flying cars abd streaming should be msin strwn plus only people who keep to traditional TV are old decrypt people who near dying I mean majority of online only tv as Internet gets better plus traditional TV is dead as digital TV shoykd be turn off as fast Internet is a norm
Some places in the UK can't even maintain a basic Internet connection, for example: I live in North Wales, some of our places are very rural, you'd be lucky to get flashes of decent phone signal, if you live in the more built-up areas like Wrexham or Bangor, you might be able to pick up better phone signals, depending on the network you're on. It's much the same for the Internet too.
Not everyone can afford high-speed Internet either. So, you say that traditional TV is for "decrepit old people", some of the older generation do in fact watch linear television, but what about the disabled and those who can't afford an Internet connection? (Once I got past the absolutely horrendous spelling and grammar).
Why do you in the UK use your taxes to pay for the BBC instead of a license fee
Because then you end up taxing those who don't watch TV.
Government will pay TV distribution so freeview can be used over the air.
Countries like South Korea had 80% full fibre in 2006, of course, the UK don’t have it, it’s typical lethargic attitude of the British,
Every Prime Minister since Tony Blair has promised, high-speed broadband
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I don't think so tut tut tut 😒
I can't wait to get rid of the satellite dish so...
Please STOP dropping your Ts, it’s really grating.