Hope you like the animation I made at the start! What's the best AI Companion in your opinion? 🤔 And which character should I cover next for my build guide videos?
I want a katalina guide annd build, and you probably need to re-do the percival and lancelot builds because you did them when you barely have good sigils
Rosetta is the best ai companion. She deserves her own tier. I have Narmaya, Percival, Eugene, and Charlotta all maxed with terminus weapons, and Rosetta consistently gets MVP across all boss encounters. Seriously, it's not even close.
*Tier List for those who can't watch the full video and the explanations* S: Captain, Eugen, Ferry, Percival, Siegfried A: Katalina, Rosetta, Charlotta, Lancelot, Cagliostro B: Io, Narmaya, Yodarha C: Rackam, Ghandagoza, Vane, Zeta, Vaseraga, Id
The reason why your Zeta is always on the ground is because there are skills for her to cast. Remove all her skills and you'll see her do perfect air combo each time. It's very easy to hit her damage cap too with the sigil that gives you more damage the less skills you equip.
Ok so i'm happy with my Zeta using skills, but you guys just made me wanna test her with no skills and using the sigil that gives you more damage the less skills you have.
For anybody wondering: afk farming proud mode needs 2 characters: ferry and rosetta...you need rosettas unique regen sigil - once you have it the aoe regen of her plants is MASSIVE and helps your afk tank to stay alive longer....ferry does not only deal alot of dmg but she also has atk down and slow wich she uses frequently making her the 2nd must have for afk proud...the 3rd one being either eugen or lancelot - if you run eugen use his healing bullet wich can prevent your afk character from being dead sometimes same as his paralyze....if you run lancelot use freeze and classic dps skills all other characters are rather useless in proud (hard bosses) afk farm and youll end up being dead note: this is strictly for afk play and proud mode only (fights like black+white+pyet) if you want to survive in pyet you need the def boost sigils at max and low hp at cap + you need regen max + stout heart + related def boosts for this one + crab + the rebirth sigil also make sure to have provoke on your other chars + (forgot the name) the sigil passive that makes you less weak to being "drawn in" by effects (my english sucks)
so overall if i just wanna play the game and i dont care about minmaxing and stuff, little bit afk farm, the best team is i am playing eugen and the teamcompo is ferry, rosetta and Percival?
I approve what you said about Vaseraga. As one of the very few who upgraded him quite well, when I put him as AI, he doesn't charge his attacks being the absolute core of his DPS ,making him quite useless.
@jacktheripper7935 I've been having good luck running him with Damnation, Forgotten Tales, Eclipse, with Violent shadows. Rather than his normal gimmick, this does pretty good damage and makes him a decent tank imo
In my experience Cag never uses her charge mechanic and against some bosses just stays around, looking. Because of her poor range for her square attacks she rarely starts combos; always the last to build up SBA gauge. Rosetta on the other hand is a DPS machine, almost always grabbing MVP. Try it out, you won't be disappointed.
Great video, would have been nice to see the pics laid out on a chart for easy refrence. Some just wanna grab those S-tiers without searching to see what got labeled what! But the video is top tier on info and reasoning.
There are alot of the bigger ones that lay it out even if at the end or middle or not even noted just there somewhere. Not saying it has to be at the start.@@Mello675
I am planning to main Vane, making him an tank, and then Charlotta and Captain to strengthen his defense even more, and last Ferry, who also can give utility.
A proper test would've been if you took each of them to the dummy and let them hit it in a time attack. And the Assist AI works differently from the "Companion AI", so you really need to put them in as a second character and do a DPS check while your main character remains "AFK" Most support abilities are somehow always taken care of. If I have Ferry, I don't need DEF shred or ATK down. If I even need DEF shred at all, because it's just like ATK. So AI's own damage becomes way more important. Since the AI likes pressing skills and will break combos to do so, it's also important how that plays out and that is very different for every character. And it's a complete lie to say Siegfried does his rotation properly. It's simply not true - at all. He gets like 1 perfect finish every 4 attempts or whatever... if even that. edit: in fact, I just tested it, he didn't get a single perfect execution in 2 minutes (after that I just stopped testing). When I compare the DPS in that same timeframe and gear. Siegfried is lacking behind even Ferry, who is playing seriously bad as well tbh because she doesn't even summon any pets most of the time outside of using skills and link attacks. In terms of gear, my Siegfried is probably the best build character. Eugen beats him easily as AI (and Eugen is played poorly by the AI as well), Rackam is just as strong as Eugen (the AI plays him "rather well", but his damage output isn't as good) And Cagliostro doesn't even use her Charged attack btw. edit2: took a look at Zeta in a boss fight on a dummy, she had 100% success rate on her perfect execution. She may stop her perfect execution to press a skill. That's something every character does but quite honestly, Zeta is a character you only need 2 skills on. The higher the skill cooldowns, the less often she'll interrupt her perfect chain (pro tip, some characters are better with fewer skills for the AI). Depending on how her cooldowns fall, she may not even interrupt them at all. Like any other NPC, she interrupts whatever she is doing to do a Link Attack. After that, she does her perfect execution strike again. Depending on how it lines up (vs the dummy, it lines up perfectly) she does her Arial combo 3 times, then her finisher, then a link strike and her finisher again (because link strikes puts her at 3 stacks). Just like a player would. Without *a single* failure to do so. On a boss fight, that gets a little lower but she still gets it done like at least 4/5 times. For sure she has 100% uptime on her debuff - without a question No offense... but you didn't actually test a lot of things, did you?
@@jxiv7350 I don't have everyone leveled, I just pointed out the differences between actual behaviour and what was said in the video. As I said, I'd have run a DPS test against the dummy if I wanted to make a video about this and had the ressources to actually level and test *all* the characters. Support skills aren't nearly as mandatory or useful as they sound. Most characters bring their own and you may choose 4 random guys and it's very likely that you have def+, atk+ and def-/atk- alongside a heal or stun. I would make the same mistake if I talk about characters I haven't put through a DPS test but since you asked....: As I said for example, Zeta does her rotation almost perfectly. Just get wingclip (Stun) on her and maybe another useful skill and leave the other 2 skills open (or 3 if you think they aren't worth) Don't pick the lunge attack-skill on her because she will *never* use it to start her combo like a player would. She will press her skill - jump backwards - and walk up onto the boss. Since Zeta is doing her cookie-cutter DPS rotation almost perfectly, she should deal solid dps similar to an average player who will miss one or two out of 10. That's very good play. But my Zeta is relatively low level and doesn't have a good weapon. So I have literally no numbers. It's a good example however how important it is to choose the correct skills and how it might even be better to leave a skill slot open. Block-skills are never good on any AI. They will try to block when the enemy is broken. Or Vane will use his bubble when there is nothing going on. I have Numbers for Rackam, Eugen, Ferry and Siegfried though. **Siegfried** is probably the worst out of all of the ones mentioned in terms of damage. On top of that, he is also the most vulnerable. He is 100% reliant on perfect execution and proper attack-timings. The AI will miss every individual attack with 50% accuracy. You will get like 1 perfect execution out of 10 attempts - if a skill doesn't interrupt it. **Rackam** is top tier alongside **Eugen**, Eugen AI is horrible but he is broken and way too strong. A player is a *lot* better. Rackam AI is solid, a player is better but there is not as much of a gap as with Eugen. **Ferrry** AI does a horrible job, but she has the support you need. Free def-shred, free atk-down a heal, good stun and fast SBA generation. **Captain** AI is horrible. Companion AI doesn't use Charge attacks **Percival** is mid, companion AI doesn't use Schlacht properly (unleashes at Schlacht+ instead of Schlacht++), but his skills are good. **Cagliostro** will, just like the captain, not use Charge attacks. She will use bad combos as well. All her scores are usually inflated by her buff, which may do a lot (early game), or very little/ nothing (late game) Things I tested but I don't have leveled up with weapons: **Narmaya** does a lot of stance switches but without proper execution. She stays in the blue-ish stance most of the time. Which is good but it's missing the stance-finishers. **Vane** skills are powerful, AI use skills a lot. Vane is a character you can build with lots of cooldown reduction. He will almost always spam a skill then and will disregard his special ressource. Thats not "bad" but not good either. As I said, his skills deal a ton of damage and the AI will spam skills. **Rosetta** pretty good AI, but the character is rather weak without bug abusing, Useful support however because she heals a ton... good for AFK farming on Proud difficulty. **Charlotta** not good with the parry, spams skills and breaks DPS chains. No numbers, but AI is weak. **Yodarha** pretty bad AI. Doesn't even execute the skill properly that can get you 12(?) hits in a row. Often breaks between 6 and 8 hits. No numbers because not leveled. **Katalina** AI does poorly - maybe usable with Stout Heart. Probably not. AI won't use Ares in a good way. Does rarely extend Ares through skills because AI will always spam skills when available. Not leveled - no numbers. **Lancelot** AI seems actually solid, but I don't even know how to play him myself because I never played him. Looks like he keeps up pressure though. If his "slice and dice" attack is his best move however, AI isn't doing a very good job and will break it in favor of doing something else. (Same issue with Charlotta)
Yep Zeta ai was OP once you take out all low cd skill and forced the ai to just do aerial loop. She litelary turn to became the top 5 dps for ai companion. No wonder Zeta became meta for some tryhard afk farmer. I hope cygames tuned the AI behaviour in future update. Let zeta with 4 skill works, vaseraga use his charged attack nuke, etc
Ferry is the best all around AI companion IMO. Siegfried and Percival are both excellent AI damage dealers, with Percival doing more damage and Siegfried having more utility, and I swap between them depending on fight/mood. Rosetta is easily the best AI companion in fights with a single target without adds. In fights with adds or multiple bosses/mobs, I drop her out and run both Percival and Siegfried. I would add Eugen into the mix, but he's completely unbuilt for me because I didn't enjoy his playstyle. But I would bundle him in with Percival and Siegfried if I had him built.
my team are, (my character, usually Narmaya), Rosetta, Ferry, Eugen or Captain - Rosetta's DMG Cut and usual DEF or Regen buffs are a godsend, and even if pointed out in the video that she plants roses inconsistently, in my personal experience, she always puts a rose on her targets and never miss a chance where her target doesn't get hit even with 1 rose. Put some Quick Cooldown Sigils on her and she can reposition roses fast so there is not much problem - Ferry's DEF/ATK down, and her Damage as a sub-DPS, nuff said - Eugen or Captain for utility, they just pretty much perform well. Except Captain usually falls off when it comes to SBA meter gain so I usually have Uplift on them.
If you have a chance could you lay out what skills your using for each of them. I would be curious to try this combo. Been working on leveling everyone.
I do the same thing instead grabbing Rosetta for Cag. In my experience Cag never uses her charge mechanic and against some bosses just stays around, looking. Because of her poor range for her square attacks she rarely starts combos; always the last to build up SBA gauge. Rosetta on the other hand is a DPS machine, almost always grabbing MVP. Try it out, you won't be disappointed.
@@AfterImageCreations I don’t know the names of the skills 😂 I am playing now but cag I use the dash one , the spin one , the mimic and phantasmagoria. Perci I use the dash that burns them , the dash that stuns , the multi slash attack and the attack/ defence 20% buff , eugen I use the laser , the barrage of bullets , lightning shot and toxic bullet. 😂 If you have some doubts on which attack is I can tell you the name once I play again.
@@whinemax I am trying her now , I like the iron maiden then making her plants attack non stop then I just explode them. pretty nasty not gonna lie , I just need to max out her terminus weapon. Just farming silver centrums 💀
Thanks for the Tierlist, it will help me for sure. ♥ just as info the charged attack Percival uses (Schlacht) is german and meening Battle in english. If you want to know how to spell it. Actually the Google Translater is realy accurate XD
I give main gear to AI and test DPS on dummy in 1 min of all chars I play this is the result. The gap between highest and lowest is double, its crazy. In end game, the only thing that matter is dps. Team 1 Zeta 24M Namaya 21M Lancelot 21M Eugen 19M Team 2 Vane 19M Percival 18M Io 17M Rackram 17M Team 3 Cagliostro 16M Yodarha 16M Charlotta 16M Ferry 15M Team 4 Dancho 15M Katalina 14M Siegfried 13M Rosetta 12M
Ding ding ding! People kept saying zeta AI is bad and yes it's bad mechanically but the character itself deals so much damage. You wanna know the similarity between them? Supplementary damage skills.
@@wellfed4445 katalina have supp dmg with her sigil too but still weak dps even with full offense build. Zeta is strong cause her aerial atk have high dmg cap and her AI can spam it as many time as they want.
a reminder that the dummy only test potential dps and not the damage in practice. My Zeta vs bosses is just random, sometime she just watch the boss and do nothing and is the worst dps of my team sometime she just decide to chain aerial and wreck the bosses. Eugen and perceval are somehow the only consistent AI I noticed and just performed very well overall. Even Rackam is not that good but he is consistent at least.
Rackam is a great companion because the AI pulls a good damage with it (unlike most characters); It uses his skills, it perfectly manages his heat gauges and times his charged shots. You don't need 3 support-built characters with you in your party. When filling for damage, both Rackam and Eugene just work. Rackam deal less damage, but he dodges consistently (unlike Eugene, who gets hit because of sniper stance).
Seeing Siegfried, Caglio and Eugen on the S tier already make this tier list accurate, I am near my 200 hours playing the game right now and that 3 is always on my main team composition. And since I main sieg on my first playthrough he is already built for my party. Amazing list and information
I only recommend two AI: Cag in AI because she is the only AI who can revive you and will do so on cooldown as well as she has good buffs/debuffs until "true endgame" where attack/crit boost don't matter. Eugen in AI because he has defense down and paralysis and is range. Everyone else....eh. DPS doesn't really matter for AI and most AI just click "auto attack > skill > auto attack" so you'll rarely see something like Narmaya combos or burst windows used properly. (Not to say the AI are bad, I've beaten the whole game with AI too).
as a vaseraga player, i sadly agree he is a beast as a PC but the ai will simply go into attacks once he activate stout heart or undying, resulting him to die
Been using yodara as main, percival, Katarina, and cagliostro. Cag and Katarina each have 2 healing moves. So they heal me consistently without worrying about dying and I just fight lol
Starting to think my team will end up being Ferry, Percival, and then either Eugen or Siegfried... It's basically between the para and DPS of Eugen, and the debuff immunity and defense boost of Siegfried. Sieg might do a bit more stun as well I guess? which would be nice...
@@darkhero2 yeah, I've been running Zeta as my main and just got her ascension weapon maxed out so probably gonna stay on her for a while at least untill I start getting the weapons for the rest of the cast. I also used to think I wanted a dedicated support with a good heal, but after I put potion hoarder on my build I find that I hardly ever get any benefit from it anyway since I just pop potions before the AI has time to heal me anyways...
As someone who has always been an in your face rush down player. I am pleasantly surprised how much I fell in love with a ranged character like Eugen. Both as a potential main as well as AI. He always comes through for me. I agree with IO I want her to be break but I just can’t find a use for her as AI. I DO NOT like Rosetta or Rackam and I really want to lol.
Charlotta being a "very easy" character couldnt be further from true if you're trying to be optimal. Most characters get away with the hardest thing they have to deal with is maybe timing. Charlotta is miserable to play sometimes, with constant dodge cancelling to optimize position and speed with her finishers, having to battle with the lock on button to extend her spin distance to keep up with the enemy, having an internal timer to know when to do your triangle block after your invulnerability runs out while neck deep in a boss's constant damaging aoe just to squeek out a little extra dps, the carpal tunnel you have to endure if you arent playing on the steam version to edit the controls so that the square button is in turbo mode. All this only to be nowhere near mvp against most other characters. But i'll be damned if I dont want to try to do my best as her.
Cherlotta main here, 100% agree with you. The gap between her skill floor and skill ceiling is big, but as you say other characters don't have to do as much to be mvp. But Charlotta is love, feels awesome when you maximize her rotations, she will be my main always
I actually don't use immortal pain when Vas is a cpu. Instead, I just set it with the jamming and drain aggro. Surprisingly, it works well so far (outdamages my Percy frequently). Might change endgame, tho.
This the vid I need because I want to go through the story on the hardest difficulty, kinda worried about my companions. Glad to see the Captain and Eugen are good supports but the Rackam placement made me fall to my knees 😭.
Keep in mind though, you can totally run through all the content just fine with any characters. I was using 2 or sometimes 3 AI companions that I put in C tier for a pretty long while and was still doing fine. Go with the ones you like the most is always my biggest recommendation
I've had a very different experience with Io. I'm 250 hrs in and she has been an absolute monster for me and is almost never out of my party. She's best as a MASSIVE burst damage character but with exploit and crit she is usually the one that takes the MVP because Flowery Seven just erases lifebars like nothing else. I've been playing with a lot of different characters so I dont really have a main yet perse, one that I've decided yeah this is perfect for me, but Io has made almost all of the game trivial because as long as you can keep enemies distracted Flowery Well, Lightning and Gravity well take care of nearly anything.
Zeta can be the AI with the most dmg in the game if you run her without skills and less is more sigil, the AI just spams the aerial combos without skills
IMO i would have swapped Ferry with Id. Ferry's AI does not generate pets with basic combo and keeps dismissing them with Onslaught, whereas Id in dragonmode has 2 burns (scourge and arcadia) and seems to prioritise its range moveset.
Lancelot, Narmaya, Cagliostro and Eugen were the sweet spot for me. After finishing the game and trying out other characters ,but I think I'll be swapping Narmaya for Siegfried, my eyes blood when I see Narmaya using only pink mode
I think the Atk bonuses are worth investing in since early to mid game you won't be hitting the dmg cap & from my experience (I'm currently in chapter 6) the bosses that I've encountered in the story take a VERY long time
Some things I've noted while using AI against wolf and veil and the baha mines. Utility and hard CC are good but keep in mind the AI will never display any intelligence in their use and will basically cast off cooldown with no regard to the fight. Slow and paralysis are the best as they give *you* openings to do damage. I'd avoid enmity and substitute as while the AI can perfect dodge they suffer under focused aggression and will crumple fast. Healing I generally view as very overrated, you should have potion hoarder on your own character. Use the blue pots. Also don't bother equipping potion hoarder on AI as while they will use pots to heal themselves they don't do it often. Obviously mileage varies on how well you can dodge stuff, having a safety net helps because the AI is very fast to use their heals. Be wary of stout heart, while it's a great buff for you it tends to make the AI choose to facetank everything. The analysis is pretty accurate to what I've seen myself. Rosetta, Eugen and Percy utterly slap. Vane and Rackam cannot use their kit properly. Cag will rarely if ever use her charge attack. Id and Narm will spend most of the fight on the floor.
How does Rackam not use his kit properly compared to Eugen, who doesn't even use sniper stance and dodges himself out of his own range. Rackam does a lot of Burst fire + Charged attacks and does his Bullseye blast on high heat levels. He is almost the best AI companion in terms of kit execution. Out of like 4 attacks. 2 will be correctly timed (and the first one can't be, because it starts the combo) compared to Siegfried's perfect execution (which you'll se once every new moon) he is doing really good.
I would say just for some of the AI. Running Stout Heart on them seems to fix their issues with some of them using a skill set or gameplay mechanic. The AI tends to dodge what will stagger them when they are intiating a combo. Running Stout Heart on Kat and Id as AI my Id doesent stop his combo in his most important phase. He just takes the hits while swinging like a madman and because he has drain he just heals it all back and Katalina sometimes extends her Ares gauge since shes not gonna get knocked back from the Stout Perk. This is just my opinion from my experience with some testing.
Running stout heart is worst thing you can do by far for AI characters. AI don't care and can't sort out, which hit he can take without risk of wipe, and which one you should evade at all cost. This is sole reason why stout heart only good for player characters, since you know what to with it, but AI don't really care. Since stout heart make thier attack interruptible they don't stop chain or evade even if this attack will oneshot them. And this is reason why you should not run it, unless you use it to farm mid tier quests. For endgame stout heart only help to die alot, not for speed quest runs.
@@Biomanable My whole team runs Stout Heart on Proud and we clear in about 2 to 3 minutes (proto bahamut is like 5-7 since they can't cheese as well as other players but can sometimes rarley do it but I have all 18 Weapons so I'm fine with it) that I rarely run with players now. I think it's different per player experience and my AI don't get one shotted and still dodge what they need to even with Stout Heart. They dodge the big shot mechanics but don't dodge simple hits and continue their combos like me saying Id will swing like a madman instead of dodge the simple swipe attack. But at the same time It's probably due to my whole team also being at 24k+ Power and some AI play different then others. Some are really dumb and some are smart. My characters are both tanky with Garrison, Aegis, and Steel Nerves along with being at max power cap with all 20% mastery with Crit, Normal, and skill damage cap. Again that could probably be why my team is working as I didn't try that until I was at 22k power for my team. My party is Siegfried, Id, Kat, and Io. Sometimes I switch out Io for Ferry since she takes full advantage of Stout Heart and Ferry has got me even faster clears.
@@Biomanable If you also ask how it's called having +Tyranny V with Aegis on it. That pretty much counters the damage loss and gain some HP. Also I've noticed that once your attack power is at 18k or so. You are already at max damage cap so raising your attack power more is pointless. Just 2 Tyranny puts me at 28k+ attack power which is pointless so I can run other +Sigils that have Aegis on it to lower my attack power and gain more HP while staying at max damage cap. You also have to think about your party utility instead of running people who can just do damage damage damage. My team is already tanky. So imagine. The AI are already beast at dodging so what does the Regen on the Term weapons do for them along with having Drain? Also imagine Sieg being able to buff the whole party Defence by 70% along with his sigil giving him an additional 20% Defence on perfect execution along with him also providing debuff immunity and additional drain to the party? So that's drain with more drain added. Imagine Ferry and Io who can both heal the team if an emergency happens and can also slow debuff (Id slow debuffs too and can run a defence ability) or running potion hoarder level 15 to heal the whole party in an emergency. Imagine running a Kat who gives the whole party invincibility and yes she uses it when her Ares Gauge is up. You gotta think about your team strategies too haha.
@@JaykeoSaurus There is big difference between maxed geared characters and characters, who don't have terminus and etc. Beside i have more then 2000 completed quests and i mostly run with AI, so i know how and what they doing. Stout heart competely brake their dodge in normal phase(when boss not in overdrive), so they literally get hit from everything. What this mean - if in current moment AI in attack combo - he will not attempt to block or dodge and just get hit. For overdrive state, where boss start mechanic part it somewhat different. This is not disable dodge part and AI can try to dodge, since it can't attack in this phase, however even with this AI with stout heart get hits way more, then characters without it.I see Id die 3 times in row on proto bahamut, with same defence sigils across whole group. I'm not running stout sigils, but he gain it from dragon form. So overall there is huge difference. This, however, don't mean you can't run with stout heart. If you have maxed out gear this is not really matter, but i don't say anything about such conditions, since you mostly farm to get to this point and before you have at least good v+ protective sigils and fully awaken terminus using stout heart just bad idea. Without good enough sigils you can't it make enough defence and damage together and using stout don't really provide any benefits, because in this you need to full def build setups and this is lead to lose alot of you dps. But whole point of useing it to get more dps, which is can't be achived unless you have enough v+ sigils. I don't get any terminus weapons yet, so its not gonna work in my case. Anyway, i don't think ppl, who already have max gear don't know how to make their characters. For those, who still leveling and farming i hardly recommend to not use stout heart.
@@JaykeoSaurus There is one big downside for this, Ai don't care about time, when you need this buffs, debuffs, invincibility. So they just use it on cooldown as part on rotation, so you won't get any of it when you really need it. Only healing skills different, where they can heal, when party get hit and at low hp. For everything else they completely useless, since its rare when their buffs or debuffs stack with boss phase. Way more often you see how uneffective thier skill usage.
I am playing as Rackam, not sure if I can ever go melee considering how much dmg he has and how you can stay out of harms way. Eugen is a must have for me. Was running Katalina, but replaced her with Cagliostro. I have the Captain as well, but might replace him with Vane (after watching this vid, maybe not)
I'm going to try Zeta (player), Eugen, Percival, and Rosetta. I gave Lancelot a try instead of Zeta and I personally get exhausted in just a few missions. Not my playstyle
Wouldn't Yodarha be higher in the tier list if you only bring 2 skills? The max stamp one and the mirror image, usually his basic attacks are sufficient enough for the dps anyways. Maybe even add a less is more sigil for the AI.
Waiting on full tier list, any ai will solo the game, so, who cares, but an in depth tier list of mains or actual solo, which is no ai, 1 character, what would the tier list look like.
so overall if i just wanna play the game and i dont care about minmaxing and stuff, the best team is i am playing eugen and the teamcompo is ferry, siegfried and Percival?
I mostly use Rackham and Eugine because they are range attacker. I only use ai when farm Maniac so I don't need any support and these 2 does just that, damage from range.
Katalina is literally one of the best AI companions, if you build her correctly she can maintain Ares 90% if not 100% of the hunt. Her skill cooldowns are also insanely quick when she's built correctly in conjunction with her unique sigils and Ares. She gets mvp over myself and my friend when we play online. And we understand the game VERY well.
Honestly? Any utility skills outside of outright invulnerability and CC like freeze/slow/paralyze are pretty much useless end game. And that isn't a joke. Once you are damage capped, Def down/attack buffs literally provide nothing whatsoever. Healing is pointless 90% of the time since you generally just die in one hit by most attacks. Carrying extra potions with a sigil is FAR more convenient. And it literally is ONE sigil. Revives can be useful.. But if you are dying so much near end game that a few revive potions and an auto revive aren't enough? That's just a straight up skill issue entirely. Sigils are literally capable of covering so many weaknesses where utility skills just fall behind in case speed and cooldown lengths. It's really sad for people who like to have those clutch saves and bring utility to the team. You can outright find a sigil that makes EVERY SINGLE DODGE a perfect dodge at the cost of some damage, which can be made up for overall in more sigil usage. As someone who would love to be appreciated as a support player... Only having a few characters with truly strong teamwide buffs that MATTER sucks.. Honestly wonder if they will change up the system really to make utility skills ACTUALLY FEEL IMPACTFUL in the future. Like bosses that disable or forbid item use so utility skills are considered must haves... Games great, but utility spells and skills are basically worthless once damage capped outside CC. ANd that just stinks.
You're going about this all wrong my man. When picking them you should always pick "hottest" first. That is key. Boobmaya and Furry went first and second for me.
getting out of sniper mode takes time? I mean maybe AI uses the jump to get out of snipe mode honestly I havent paid enough attention how ai eugen works but you can dodge out of snipe mode or block.
this is the party im running right now farming proto bahamut my main lancelot, sub dps narmaya, buffer debuffer stunner ferry, support cagliostro with this party i can kill proto bahamut by 5 minutes 7 tops
S Tier: Eugen. Ferry. Percival. A Tier: Captain. Katalina. Rosetta. Lancelot. B Tier: Io. Charlotta. Narmaya. C Tier: Rackam. Ghandagoza. Vane. (Don't have time for the rest, someone else do them.)
AI Narmaya works better with less skills the AI just uses skills off cooldown and will most of the time stop an attack loop to use a skill and start all over again
can someone help me here, I have around 28k attack with terminus weapon on charlotta it hitting me 45k per hit on noble stance and around 95k on sword of lumiel... but after I remove 2 tyrany sigil it gives me 19k but I still hitting 45k and 95k on her skill ... is that mean Im already exceeding my dmg cap? if yes, then why I see a lot of charlotta guide video with over 28k attack?
you are hitting the cap with 45k, you can go lower atk then go for other sigil passives if you want or check all her skills if you capped everything. Like with Caglio you can cap everything except pain train. so it heavily depends on you if you wanna go higher atk or go for comfort sigils like guts autorevive nimble ons etc
It blows my mind how people havent realise how broken dragonform is. I think scourge in dragon form hits for about 6mill on my id. Loool. Godform is solid but you should never be using ragnarok form skill to sustain it. You should be using it to get back in dragon form asap. Scourge is dragon form hits about 6+ times against large enemies for about 659k per hit add in supp dmg and youll chunk about 6%+ from proto bahamut 😂 hes broken
You dont reaaally need a healer. Just run potion hoarder. You get 6 team heals. If you need to heal your team more than 6 times then I would suggest running a healer but thats more than enough. Run dps give them drain+ regen from terminus + improved healing. How can you die. AI almost always dodges an enemies big attack.
AI captain with tank skills? Not a nice joke. That literaly worst character for that. What point of tank skills, when AI just spam it on cooldown and they never be active when you really need them? That just stupid.
AI Captain also cant manage arts level so when they use skills they most of the time use them at level 1 or 2 butchering the strength and duration of the skill.
lot of youtubers reasonings for things are pretty stupid. There is no tanking/healing in this game both are pointless to even do. The true worth of the AI is how well it can dish out DPS. Most charge based characters are out of the question because the AI is braindead and doesn't use them properly. Same with anyone with complicated combos. The best AI will do lots of damage with skills and pressing X. Next trait to look for is if they have glaciate or paralyze as those are the best CC options with glaciate being the best. Lancelot is routinely put on the bottom of most peoples AI tier list but he out MVPs my maxed out main sometimes because of his CC and the fact all his damage is just mashing normal attacks and the AI will perfect dodge everything. Anyone with simple skills and whos primary damage output is normal attacks will make good AI companions. you don't need support skills especially healing/atk buffs. This is all just fluff bullshit talk to these people can extend the runtime of their videos for advertisement. This games not that complicated.
I used him on bahamut versa and proto bahamut a lot of times since he was my 1st character to reach Lv100 and I constantly saw him missing his charged attack or cancelling it, it was painful 😅
I thought i was going schizo mode for a second, playing this video in the background and faintly hearing KH BBS cinderella world background music. I had to put the volume up to make sure i wasnt tripping. 😅🤣🤣
Ahh...Stout heart for AI? No, this is not how things work. For AI stout heart by far worstest thing you can give. All benefits from it just cut by one big deal - this break hard their evade mechanic. If you want to see you AI dodge and block almost all attack - just don't use anything with stout heart. This is make huge difference. Endgame with stout heart on AI characters looks like graveyard, since they die same way and as often as some newbee players, who can't dodge. Beside damage loss on that don't make a big deal, since dead bodies don't really provide any output at all...
Thumbnail vane as a D? I highly disagree. Being the reason ppl dont have to do proto mechanics is very clutch. High stagger too? Had a vane literally turn proto into a joke for 8 matches in a row. Dude was wild. I almost dropped ferry to become a vane main.
I like siegfried but hes dmg is low idk why u say hes a dmg monster... from all charakters is he only from dmg/dps rly low, idk if i play id and us in dragon form 1 skill he makes and it hits for 400k-600k dmg a 4-6times and u have idk name in english maybe strong heart? He have that in dragon and godform. And u are going so easy to dragonform or godform. Siegfrieds defens skills ok y they are strong but hes dps is not so good as u say. Grandblue for mvp is dmg the key and a siegfried is only mvp if the others are not good equipt
Ahh and katalina need to be lowere rank only here support kit is ok the dmg/dps is based on here ares and if u us ares... dont doge.. or killing optjektivs from bosses shes totaly bad maybe b or c tyr
Hope you like the animation I made at the start!
What's the best AI Companion in your opinion? 🤔
And which character should I cover next for my build guide videos?
Eugen is definitely the best. Siegfried is a close second
Please Narmaya
I want a katalina guide annd build, and you probably need to re-do the percival and lancelot builds because you did them when you barely have good sigils
Rosetta is the best ai companion. She deserves her own tier. I have Narmaya, Percival, Eugene, and Charlotta all maxed with terminus weapons, and Rosetta consistently gets MVP across all boss encounters. Seriously, it's not even close.
The animation in the beginning was nice, hope you do more of them!
*Tier List for those who can't watch the full video and the explanations*
S: Captain, Eugen, Ferry, Percival, Siegfried
A: Katalina, Rosetta, Charlotta, Lancelot, Cagliostro
B: Io, Narmaya, Yodarha
C: Rackam, Ghandagoza, Vane, Zeta, Vaseraga, Id
It's disappointing that Rackam, Zeta, and Id such as AI companions.
I think Dark Hero should have put an image showing the Tier List in general so that we could have an overview.
its true if u use rackam with stun sig + cd sig as an ai u can actually link alot.
Thanks, i dont want to watcht the complete Video
normally resetta for ai ppl rate her s
The reason why your Zeta is always on the ground is because there are skills for her to cast. Remove all her skills and you'll see her do perfect air combo each time. It's very easy to hit her damage cap too with the sigil that gives you more damage the less skills you equip.
can confirm, no skill slot AI zeta is good
Ok so i'm happy with my Zeta using skills, but you guys just made me wanna test her with no skills and using the sigil that gives you more damage the less skills you have.
I might try this out, too.
I try is and her DPS is insane when I give 5 run and test Eugen rose and zeta she always mvp
Bro thanks for this comment, no skills with the Less is More sigil, Zeta pumps and always hits that combo
I loved the video, but please post the finalized Tierlist at the end or something so that I don't have to write everything down myself haha
Yes please, why show it on the snapshot but not in the video.
Exactly
Lazy UA-camr
It seems intentional so that you can't just skip to the end.
I think it’s a strategy to get you to watch the video, instead of just skipping to the end. Probably put a lot of time into these.
For anybody wondering: afk farming proud mode needs 2 characters: ferry and rosetta...you need rosettas unique regen sigil - once you have it the aoe regen of her plants is MASSIVE and helps your afk tank to stay alive longer....ferry does not only deal alot of dmg but she also has atk down and slow wich she uses frequently making her the 2nd must have for afk proud...the 3rd one being either eugen or lancelot - if you run eugen use his healing bullet wich can prevent your afk character from being dead sometimes same as his paralyze....if you run lancelot use freeze and classic dps skills
all other characters are rather useless in proud (hard bosses) afk farm and youll end up being dead
note: this is strictly for afk play and proud mode only (fights like black+white+pyet)
if you want to survive in pyet you need the def boost sigils at max and low hp at cap + you need regen max + stout heart + related def boosts for this one + crab + the rebirth sigil also make sure to have provoke on your other chars + (forgot the name) the sigil passive that makes you less weak to being "drawn in" by effects (my english sucks)
so overall if i just wanna play the game and i dont care about minmaxing and stuff, little bit afk farm, the best team is i am playing eugen and the teamcompo is ferry, rosetta and Percival?
I approve what you said about Vaseraga.
As one of the very few who upgraded him quite well, when I put him as AI, he doesn't charge his attacks being the absolute core of his DPS ,making him quite useless.
As a Vaseraga main seeing the AI control makes me want to cry
@@pitbullnamedcupcake8485 Yeah, it really surprised me the first time I saw how useless he was...
To make Vaseraga good you can try removing all his skills and then adding the "Less Is More" sigil.
@@donventura2116It won't change the fact he'll never use his charge attacks correctly.
@jacktheripper7935 I've been having good luck running him with Damnation, Forgotten Tales, Eclipse, with Violent shadows. Rather than his normal gimmick, this does pretty good damage and makes him a decent tank imo
In my experience Cag never uses her charge mechanic and against some bosses just stays around, looking. Because of her poor range for her square attacks she rarely starts combos; always the last to build up SBA gauge.
Rosetta on the other hand is a DPS machine, almost always grabbing MVP.
Try it out, you won't be disappointed.
What skills do you recommend on her to use as AI?
Great video, would have been nice to see the pics laid out on a chart for easy refrence. Some just wanna grab those S-tiers without searching to see what got labeled what! But the video is top tier on info and reasoning.
youtubers do this for more watch time, you can't blame them, they're trying to make money. there's almost always a commenter that writes it out.
There are alot of the bigger ones that lay it out even if at the end or middle or not even noted just there somewhere. Not saying it has to be at the start.@@Mello675
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CPU Cagliostro NEVER uses collapse, so that feature of faster charging and the sigils are fully wasted.
And here I was wondering why I never see the Def down debuff on enemies despite her wearing the Founder's Awakening
Good vid but these types of videos ALWAYS need a summary overview to refer back to. Not sure if its easy to add something like that easily still ?
My team is currently Narmaya,Siegfried, Rosetta and Katalina.
I'm still working on my 4th, but my big 3 is Perci, Rackam, and Eugen
I am planning to main Vane, making him an tank, and then Charlotta and Captain to strengthen his defense even more, and last Ferry, who also can give utility.
A proper test would've been if you took each of them to the dummy and let them hit it in a time attack. And the Assist AI works differently from the "Companion AI", so you really need to put them in as a second character and do a DPS check while your main character remains "AFK"
Most support abilities are somehow always taken care of.
If I have Ferry, I don't need DEF shred or ATK down. If I even need DEF shred at all, because it's just like ATK. So AI's own damage becomes way more important. Since the AI likes pressing skills and will break combos to do so, it's also important how that plays out and that is very different for every character.
And it's a complete lie to say Siegfried does his rotation properly. It's simply not true - at all. He gets like 1 perfect finish every 4 attempts or whatever... if even that.
edit: in fact, I just tested it, he didn't get a single perfect execution in 2 minutes (after that I just stopped testing).
When I compare the DPS in that same timeframe and gear. Siegfried is lacking behind even Ferry, who is playing seriously bad as well tbh because she doesn't even summon any pets most of the time outside of using skills and link attacks.
In terms of gear, my Siegfried is probably the best build character. Eugen beats him easily as AI (and Eugen is played poorly by the AI as well), Rackam is just as strong as Eugen (the AI plays him "rather well", but his damage output isn't as good)
And Cagliostro doesn't even use her Charged attack btw.
edit2:
took a look at Zeta in a boss fight
on a dummy, she had 100% success rate on her perfect execution. She may stop her perfect execution to press a skill. That's something every character does but quite honestly, Zeta is a character you only need 2 skills on. The higher the skill cooldowns, the less often she'll interrupt her perfect chain (pro tip, some characters are better with fewer skills for the AI). Depending on how her cooldowns fall, she may not even interrupt them at all. Like any other NPC, she interrupts whatever she is doing to do a Link Attack. After that, she does her perfect execution strike again. Depending on how it lines up (vs the dummy, it lines up perfectly) she does her Arial combo 3 times, then her finisher, then a link strike and her finisher again (because link strikes puts her at 3 stacks). Just like a player would. Without *a single* failure to do so.
On a boss fight, that gets a little lower but she still gets it done like at least 4/5 times.
For sure she has 100% uptime on her debuff - without a question
No offense... but you didn't actually test a lot of things, did you?
thanks for sharing your comments. may i know your team comp. I would like get more ideas. Im still new to the game. thanks
@@jxiv7350 I don't have everyone leveled, I just pointed out the differences between actual behaviour and what was said in the video.
As I said, I'd have run a DPS test against the dummy if I wanted to make a video about this and had the ressources to actually level and test *all* the characters.
Support skills aren't nearly as mandatory or useful as they sound. Most characters bring their own and you may choose 4 random guys and it's very likely that you have def+, atk+ and def-/atk- alongside a heal or stun.
I would make the same mistake if I talk about characters I haven't put through a DPS test but since you asked....:
As I said for example, Zeta does her rotation almost perfectly. Just get wingclip (Stun) on her and maybe another useful skill and leave the other 2 skills open (or 3 if you think they aren't worth)
Don't pick the lunge attack-skill on her because she will *never* use it to start her combo like a player would. She will press her skill - jump backwards - and walk up onto the boss.
Since Zeta is doing her cookie-cutter DPS rotation almost perfectly, she should deal solid dps similar to an average player who will miss one or two out of 10. That's very good play.
But my Zeta is relatively low level and doesn't have a good weapon. So I have literally no numbers. It's a good example however how important it is to choose the correct skills and how it might even be better to leave a skill slot open.
Block-skills are never good on any AI. They will try to block when the enemy is broken. Or Vane will use his bubble when there is nothing going on.
I have Numbers for Rackam, Eugen, Ferry and Siegfried though.
**Siegfried** is probably the worst out of all of the ones mentioned in terms of damage. On top of that, he is also the most vulnerable. He is 100% reliant on perfect execution and proper attack-timings. The AI will miss every individual attack with 50% accuracy. You will get like 1 perfect execution out of 10 attempts - if a skill doesn't interrupt it.
**Rackam** is top tier alongside **Eugen**, Eugen AI is horrible but he is broken and way too strong. A player is a *lot* better.
Rackam AI is solid, a player is better but there is not as much of a gap as with Eugen.
**Ferrry** AI does a horrible job, but she has the support you need. Free def-shred, free atk-down a heal, good stun and fast SBA generation.
**Captain** AI is horrible. Companion AI doesn't use Charge attacks
**Percival** is mid, companion AI doesn't use Schlacht properly (unleashes at Schlacht+ instead of Schlacht++), but his skills are good.
**Cagliostro** will, just like the captain, not use Charge attacks. She will use bad combos as well. All her scores are usually inflated by her buff, which may do a lot (early game), or very little/ nothing (late game)
Things I tested but I don't have leveled up with weapons:
**Narmaya** does a lot of stance switches but without proper execution. She stays in the blue-ish stance most of the time. Which is good but it's missing the stance-finishers.
**Vane** skills are powerful, AI use skills a lot. Vane is a character you can build with lots of cooldown reduction. He will almost always spam a skill then and will disregard his special ressource. Thats not "bad" but not good either. As I said, his skills deal a ton of damage and the AI will spam skills.
**Rosetta** pretty good AI, but the character is rather weak without bug abusing, Useful support however because she heals a ton... good for AFK farming on Proud difficulty.
**Charlotta** not good with the parry, spams skills and breaks DPS chains. No numbers, but AI is weak.
**Yodarha** pretty bad AI. Doesn't even execute the skill properly that can get you 12(?) hits in a row. Often breaks between 6 and 8 hits. No numbers because not leveled.
**Katalina** AI does poorly - maybe usable with Stout Heart. Probably not. AI won't use Ares in a good way. Does rarely extend Ares through skills because AI will always spam skills when available. Not leveled - no numbers.
**Lancelot** AI seems actually solid, but I don't even know how to play him myself because I never played him. Looks like he keeps up pressure though. If his "slice and dice" attack is his best move however, AI isn't doing a very good job and will break it in favor of doing something else. (Same issue with Charlotta)
Yep Zeta ai was OP once you take out all low cd skill and forced the ai to just do aerial loop. She litelary turn to became the top 5 dps for ai companion.
No wonder Zeta became meta for some tryhard afk farmer.
I hope cygames tuned the AI behaviour in future update. Let zeta with 4 skill works, vaseraga use his charged attack nuke, etc
Ferry is the best all around AI companion IMO. Siegfried and Percival are both excellent AI damage dealers, with Percival doing more damage and Siegfried having more utility, and I swap between them depending on fight/mood.
Rosetta is easily the best AI companion in fights with a single target without adds. In fights with adds or multiple bosses/mobs, I drop her out and run both Percival and Siegfried.
I would add Eugen into the mix, but he's completely unbuilt for me because I didn't enjoy his playstyle. But I would bundle him in with Percival and Siegfried if I had him built.
Please update the AI Tier List with Seofon & Tweyen, Thanks~
Also look forward to your Warpath Sigil Tier List 👍
my team are, (my character, usually Narmaya), Rosetta, Ferry, Eugen or Captain
- Rosetta's DMG Cut and usual DEF or Regen buffs are a godsend, and even if pointed out in the video that she plants roses inconsistently, in my personal experience, she always puts a rose on her targets and never miss a chance where her target doesn't get hit even with 1 rose. Put some Quick Cooldown Sigils on her and she can reposition roses fast so there is not much problem
- Ferry's DEF/ATK down, and her Damage as a sub-DPS, nuff said
- Eugen or Captain for utility, they just pretty much perform well. Except Captain usually falls off when it comes to SBA meter gain so I usually have Uplift on them.
Been waiting for this one from you
My AI team is cagliostro , percival and eugen. Then I play with whatever I want , I can even AFK a lot of proud missions with these.
If you have a chance could you lay out what skills your using for each of them. I would be curious to try this combo. Been working on leveling everyone.
Yes please share the builds you use for the three ai members
I do the same thing instead grabbing Rosetta for Cag.
In my experience Cag never uses her charge mechanic and against some bosses just stays around, looking. Because of her poor range for her square attacks she rarely starts combos; always the last to build up SBA gauge.
Rosetta on the other hand is a DPS machine, almost always grabbing MVP.
Try it out, you won't be disappointed.
@@AfterImageCreations I don’t know the names of the skills 😂 I am playing now but cag I use the dash one , the spin one , the mimic and phantasmagoria. Perci I use the dash that burns them , the dash that stuns , the multi slash attack and the attack/ defence 20% buff , eugen I use the laser , the barrage of bullets , lightning shot and toxic bullet. 😂 If you have some doubts on which attack is I can tell you the name once I play again.
@@whinemax I am trying her now , I like the iron maiden then making her plants attack non stop then I just explode them. pretty nasty not gonna lie , I just need to max out her terminus weapon. Just farming silver centrums 💀
Thanks for the Tierlist, it will help me for sure. ♥
just as info the charged attack Percival uses (Schlacht) is german and meening Battle in english. If you want to know how to spell it. Actually the Google Translater is realy accurate XD
Thanks, appreciate the german lesson 😆👍I'll try to get it right when I go back to Percy and make an updated build video on him
There is only 1 skill from Percival it is English the rest is all in german. 🤣@@darkhero2
What a good tierlist, I legit have the exact same thoughts and your reasonings for these tiers are sound as well, well done brother
Thank you, appreciate it!
I give main gear to AI and test DPS on dummy in 1 min of all chars I play this is the result. The gap between highest and lowest is double, its crazy. In end game, the only thing that matter is dps.
Team 1
Zeta 24M
Namaya 21M
Lancelot 21M
Eugen 19M
Team 2
Vane 19M
Percival 18M
Io 17M
Rackram 17M
Team 3
Cagliostro 16M
Yodarha 16M
Charlotta 16M
Ferry 15M
Team 4
Dancho 15M
Katalina 14M
Siegfried 13M
Rosetta 12M
Ding ding ding! People kept saying zeta AI is bad and yes it's bad mechanically but the character itself deals so much damage. You wanna know the similarity between them? Supplementary damage skills.
@@wellfed4445 katalina have supp dmg with her sigil too but still weak dps even with full offense build. Zeta is strong cause her aerial atk have high dmg cap and her AI can spam it as many time as they want.
@@Martin-vm7oq Katalina is conditional supp, not supp buff. She only gets supp if ares is on field and you know how the AI hates ares, that is all.
@@wellfed4445 her kit is designed that way AI keep ares uptime 100% on dummy and still do low damage.
a reminder that the dummy only test potential dps and not the damage in practice. My Zeta vs bosses is just random, sometime she just watch the boss and do nothing and is the worst dps of my team sometime she just decide to chain aerial and wreck the bosses.
Eugen and perceval are somehow the only consistent AI I noticed and just performed very well overall. Even Rackam is not that good but he is consistent at least.
Rackam is a great companion because the AI pulls a good damage with it (unlike most characters); It uses his skills, it perfectly manages his heat gauges and times his charged shots. You don't need 3 support-built characters with you in your party. When filling for damage, both Rackam and Eugene just work. Rackam deal less damage, but he dodges consistently (unlike Eugene, who gets hit because of sniper stance).
Seeing Siegfried, Caglio and Eugen on the S tier already make this tier list accurate, I am near my 200 hours playing the game right now and that 3 is always on my main team composition. And since I main sieg on my first playthrough he is already built for my party. Amazing list and information
I only recommend two AI:
Cag in AI because she is the only AI who can revive you and will do so on cooldown as well as she has good buffs/debuffs until "true endgame" where attack/crit boost don't matter.
Eugen in AI because he has defense down and paralysis and is range.
Everyone else....eh. DPS doesn't really matter for AI and most AI just click "auto attack > skill > auto attack" so you'll rarely see something like Narmaya combos or burst windows used properly.
(Not to say the AI are bad, I've beaten the whole game with AI too).
Captain can revive as well.
AI are good at dodging, remember last story quest against Bahamut to unlock proud mission. Try that with AI to see how it perfectly dodge everytime
Great video, I love this game. Also, Xenoblade OST jump scare 😂
dmg cap has to go, this fuking stat just invalidate half of the skills and sigils in the entire game !!
how so
You reach damage cap Lv65 by using 1 stamina 1 tyranny.
So other skills outside of Link is useless.
as a vaseraga player, i sadly agree
he is a beast as a PC but the ai will simply go into attacks once he activate stout heart or undying, resulting him to die
Why didn't you post an image of the all the characters and their respective tiers?
After watching this video, i must say, ferry is an absolute beast, i am just wiping out bosses with ease now.
Been using yodara as main, percival, Katarina, and cagliostro. Cag and Katarina each have 2 healing moves. So they heal me consistently without worrying about dying and I just fight lol
Starting to think my team will end up being Ferry, Percival, and then either Eugen or Siegfried... It's basically between the para and DPS of Eugen, and the debuff immunity and defense boost of Siegfried.
Sieg might do a bit more stun as well I guess? which would be nice...
That's honestly what I've been running. I just swap Ferry for whichever other character I want to play
@@darkhero2 yeah, I've been running Zeta as my main and just got her ascension weapon maxed out so probably gonna stay on her for a while at least untill I start getting the weapons for the rest of the cast. I also used to think I wanted a dedicated support with a good heal, but after I put potion hoarder on my build I find that I hardly ever get any benefit from it anyway since I just pop potions before the AI has time to heal me anyways...
As someone who has always been an in your face rush down player. I am pleasantly surprised how much I fell in love with a ranged character like Eugen. Both as a potential main as well as AI. He always comes through for me.
I agree with IO I want her to be break but I just can’t find a use for her as AI.
I DO NOT like Rosetta or Rackam and I really want to lol.
Why hate on roseta as an AI ?
There it IIIIIS! I'll be enjoying this one. Excited to see your take on it.
Charlotta being a "very easy" character couldnt be further from true if you're trying to be optimal. Most characters get away with the hardest thing they have to deal with is maybe timing. Charlotta is miserable to play sometimes, with constant dodge cancelling to optimize position and speed with her finishers, having to battle with the lock on button to extend her spin distance to keep up with the enemy, having an internal timer to know when to do your triangle block after your invulnerability runs out while neck deep in a boss's constant damaging aoe just to squeek out a little extra dps, the carpal tunnel you have to endure if you arent playing on the steam version to edit the controls so that the square button is in turbo mode. All this only to be nowhere near mvp against most other characters. But i'll be damned if I dont want to try to do my best as her.
Cherlotta main here, 100% agree with you. The gap between her skill floor and skill ceiling is big, but as you say other characters don't have to do as much to be mvp. But Charlotta is love, feels awesome when you maximize her rotations, she will be my main always
I actually don't use immortal pain when Vas is a cpu. Instead, I just set it with the jamming and drain aggro. Surprisingly, it works well so far (outdamages my Percy frequently). Might change endgame, tho.
Beaten proud solo with Narmaya as main then Sieg, Ferry and Cag as supps. Thery work so well
This the vid I need because I want to go through the story on the hardest difficulty, kinda worried about my companions. Glad to see the Captain and Eugen are good supports but the Rackam placement made me fall to my knees 😭.
Keep in mind though, you can totally run through all the content just fine with any characters. I was using 2 or sometimes 3 AI companions that I put in C tier for a pretty long while and was still doing fine. Go with the ones you like the most is always my biggest recommendation
I've had a very different experience with Io. I'm 250 hrs in and she has been an absolute monster for me and is almost never out of my party. She's best as a MASSIVE burst damage character but with exploit and crit she is usually the one that takes the MVP because Flowery Seven just erases lifebars like nothing else. I've been playing with a lot of different characters so I dont really have a main yet perse, one that I've decided yeah this is perfect for me, but Io has made almost all of the game trivial because as long as you can keep enemies distracted Flowery Well, Lightning and Gravity well take care of nearly anything.
Tier lists for this game are crazy.
Some tier lists have your bottom ranks in S rank and some have your top ranks in the bottom lol
I usually main Narmaya with cag, Percy, and siegfried. I might try building ferry or use my almost built eugen to sub out cag.
Btw, some builds won't allow u to cap ur SBA damage which defense down and atk buffs may actually be useful
This is the only channel i trusted with tier list
Zeta can be the AI with the most dmg in the game if you run her without skills and less is more sigil, the AI just spams the aerial combos without skills
IMO i would have swapped Ferry with Id. Ferry's AI does not generate pets with basic combo and keeps dismissing them with Onslaught, whereas Id in dragonmode has 2 burns (scourge and arcadia) and seems to prioritise its range moveset.
Lancelot is S tire for me. The guy did like 15m to 20m horor in proto bahamut. Even in online or offline.
I think all the characters are S tier if you are using them properly. This is a tier list for AI companions though.
Lancelot is an s tier for me. With an incincible build, I use him to afk farm proud level bosses. So useful.
you really didint put a tierlist at the end as a picture ??
Lancelot, Narmaya, Cagliostro and Eugen were the sweet spot for me. After finishing the game and trying out other characters ,but I think I'll be swapping Narmaya for Siegfried, my eyes blood when I see Narmaya using only pink mode
I think the Atk bonuses are worth investing in since early to mid game you won't be hitting the dmg cap & from my experience (I'm currently in chapter 6) the bosses that I've encountered in the story take a VERY long time
Me when I saw the thumbnail: WHY IS VANE D WTF
Me when I see it’s an AI tier list: ah I see
lol
Some things I've noted while using AI against wolf and veil and the baha mines.
Utility and hard CC are good but keep in mind the AI will never display any intelligence in their use and will basically cast off cooldown with no regard to the fight. Slow and paralysis are the best as they give *you* openings to do damage. I'd avoid enmity and substitute as while the AI can perfect dodge they suffer under focused aggression and will crumple fast.
Healing I generally view as very overrated, you should have potion hoarder on your own character. Use the blue pots. Also don't bother equipping potion hoarder on AI as while they will use pots to heal themselves they don't do it often. Obviously mileage varies on how well you can dodge stuff, having a safety net helps because the AI is very fast to use their heals.
Be wary of stout heart, while it's a great buff for you it tends to make the AI choose to facetank everything.
The analysis is pretty accurate to what I've seen myself. Rosetta, Eugen and Percy utterly slap. Vane and Rackam cannot use their kit properly. Cag will rarely if ever use her charge attack. Id and Narm will spend most of the fight on the floor.
How does Rackam not use his kit properly compared to Eugen, who doesn't even use sniper stance and dodges himself out of his own range.
Rackam does a lot of Burst fire + Charged attacks and does his Bullseye blast on high heat levels.
He is almost the best AI companion in terms of kit execution.
Out of like 4 attacks. 2 will be correctly timed (and the first one can't be, because it starts the combo) compared to Siegfried's perfect execution (which you'll se once every new moon) he is doing really good.
I would say just for some of the AI. Running Stout Heart on them seems to fix their issues with some of them using a skill set or gameplay mechanic. The AI tends to dodge what will stagger them when they are intiating a combo. Running Stout Heart on Kat and Id as AI my Id doesent stop his combo in his most important phase. He just takes the hits while swinging like a madman and because he has drain he just heals it all back and Katalina sometimes extends her Ares gauge since shes not gonna get knocked back from the Stout Perk. This is just my opinion from my experience with some testing.
Running stout heart is worst thing you can do by far for AI characters. AI don't care and can't sort out, which hit he can take without risk of wipe, and which one you should evade at all cost. This is sole reason why stout heart only good for player characters, since you know what to with it, but AI don't really care. Since stout heart make thier attack interruptible they don't stop chain or evade even if this attack will oneshot them. And this is reason why you should not run it, unless you use it to farm mid tier quests. For endgame stout heart only help to die alot, not for speed quest runs.
@@Biomanable My whole team runs Stout Heart on Proud and we clear in about 2 to 3 minutes (proto bahamut is like 5-7 since they can't cheese as well as other players but can sometimes rarley do it but I have all 18 Weapons so I'm fine with it) that I rarely run with players now. I think it's different per player experience and my AI don't get one shotted and still dodge what they need to even with Stout Heart. They dodge the big shot mechanics but don't dodge simple hits and continue their combos like me saying Id will swing like a madman instead of dodge the simple swipe attack. But at the same time It's probably due to my whole team also being at 24k+ Power and some AI play different then others. Some are really dumb and some are smart. My characters are both tanky with Garrison, Aegis, and Steel Nerves along with being at max power cap with all 20% mastery with Crit, Normal, and skill damage cap. Again that could probably be why my team is working as I didn't try that until I was at 22k power for my team. My party is Siegfried, Id, Kat, and Io. Sometimes I switch out Io for Ferry since she takes full advantage of Stout Heart and Ferry has got me even faster clears.
@@Biomanable If you also ask how it's called having +Tyranny V with Aegis on it. That pretty much counters the damage loss and gain some HP. Also I've noticed that once your attack power is at 18k or so. You are already at max damage cap so raising your attack power more is pointless. Just 2 Tyranny puts me at 28k+ attack power which is pointless so I can run other +Sigils that have Aegis on it to lower my attack power and gain more HP while staying at max damage cap. You also have to think about your party utility instead of running people who can just do damage damage damage. My team is already tanky. So imagine. The AI are already beast at dodging so what does the Regen on the Term weapons do for them along with having Drain? Also imagine Sieg being able to buff the whole party Defence by 70% along with his sigil giving him an additional 20% Defence on perfect execution along with him also providing debuff immunity and additional drain to the party? So that's drain with more drain added. Imagine Ferry and Io who can both heal the team if an emergency happens and can also slow debuff (Id slow debuffs too and can run a defence ability) or running potion hoarder level 15 to heal the whole party in an emergency. Imagine running a Kat who gives the whole party invincibility and yes she uses it when her Ares Gauge is up. You gotta think about your team strategies too haha.
@@JaykeoSaurus There is big difference between maxed geared characters and characters, who don't have terminus and etc. Beside i have more then 2000 completed quests and i mostly run with AI, so i know how and what they doing. Stout heart competely brake their dodge in normal phase(when boss not in overdrive), so they literally get hit from everything. What this mean - if in current moment AI in attack combo - he will not attempt to block or dodge and just get hit. For overdrive state, where boss start mechanic part it somewhat different. This is not disable dodge part and AI can try to dodge, since it can't attack in this phase, however even with this AI with stout heart get hits way more, then characters without it.I see Id die 3 times in row on proto bahamut, with same defence sigils across whole group. I'm not running stout sigils, but he gain it from dragon form. So overall there is huge difference.
This, however, don't mean you can't run with stout heart. If you have maxed out gear this is not really matter, but i don't say anything about such conditions, since you mostly farm to get to this point and before you have at least good v+ protective sigils and fully awaken terminus using stout heart just bad idea. Without good enough sigils you can't it make enough defence and damage together and using stout don't really provide any benefits, because in this you need to full def build setups and this is lead to lose alot of you dps. But whole point of useing it to get more dps, which is can't be achived unless you have enough v+ sigils.
I don't get any terminus weapons yet, so its not gonna work in my case.
Anyway, i don't think ppl, who already have max gear don't know how to make their characters. For those, who still leveling and farming i hardly recommend to not use stout heart.
@@JaykeoSaurus There is one big downside for this, Ai don't care about time, when you need this buffs, debuffs, invincibility. So they just use it on cooldown as part on rotation, so you won't get any of it when you really need it. Only healing skills different, where they can heal, when party get hit and at low hp. For everything else they completely useless, since its rare when their buffs or debuffs stack with boss phase. Way more often you see how uneffective thier skill usage.
I am playing as Rackam, not sure if I can ever go melee considering how much dmg he has and how you can stay out of harms way.
Eugen is a must have for me.
Was running Katalina, but replaced her with Cagliostro.
I have the Captain as well, but might replace him with Vane (after watching this vid, maybe not)
Very nice tier list.
exactly what I needed right now, thanks!
I'm going to try Zeta (player), Eugen, Percival, and Rosetta. I gave Lancelot a try instead of Zeta and I personally get exhausted in just a few missions. Not my playstyle
Wouldn't Yodarha be higher in the tier list if you only bring 2 skills?
The max stamp one and the mirror image, usually his basic attacks are sufficient enough for the dps anyways.
Maybe even add a less is more sigil for the AI.
Seems like ppl didnt try out the DPS Captain variant. With right Sigils he hits still strong! Ppl sleep on the DPS build with Captain/Gran
Waiting on full tier list, any ai will solo the game, so, who cares, but an in depth tier list of mains or actual solo, which is no ai, 1 character, what would the tier list look like.
so overall if i just wanna play the game and i dont care about minmaxing and stuff, the best team is i am playing eugen and the teamcompo is ferry, siegfried and Percival?
I mostly use Rackham and Eugine because they are range attacker. I only use ai when farm Maniac so I don't need any support and these 2 does just that, damage from range.
I made a comment asking for an AI tier list and here we are! Nice! 😂🔥
I’d like a final list of where everyone sits
That’s why I use vane as a stun/dps which is nuts
Katalina is literally one of the best AI companions, if you build her correctly she can maintain Ares 90% if not 100% of the hunt. Her skill cooldowns are also insanely quick when she's built correctly in conjunction with her unique sigils and Ares. She gets mvp over myself and my friend when we play online. And we understand the game VERY well.
hello, can you tell me which skill you put on Katalina, i'm in the process of choosing AI companion, tks in advance
So if I wanna main Vane, what companion should I use? Maybe Ferry and Rosetta, what would be a good 4th member?
Honestly? Any utility skills outside of outright invulnerability and CC like freeze/slow/paralyze are pretty much useless end game. And that isn't a joke.
Once you are damage capped, Def down/attack buffs literally provide nothing whatsoever.
Healing is pointless 90% of the time since you generally just die in one hit by most attacks. Carrying extra potions with a sigil is FAR more convenient. And it literally is ONE sigil.
Revives can be useful.. But if you are dying so much near end game that a few revive potions and an auto revive aren't enough? That's just a straight up skill issue entirely.
Sigils are literally capable of covering so many weaknesses where utility skills just fall behind in case speed and cooldown lengths. It's really sad for people who like to have those clutch saves and bring utility to the team. You can outright find a sigil that makes EVERY SINGLE DODGE a perfect dodge at the cost of some damage, which can be made up for overall in more sigil usage.
As someone who would love to be appreciated as a support player... Only having a few characters with truly strong teamwide buffs that MATTER sucks..
Honestly wonder if they will change up the system really to make utility skills ACTUALLY FEEL IMPACTFUL in the future. Like bosses that disable or forbid item use so utility skills are considered must haves...
Games great, but utility spells and skills are basically worthless once damage capped outside CC. ANd that just stinks.
You're going about this all wrong my man. When picking them you should always pick "hottest" first. That is key. Boobmaya and Furry went first and second for me.
getting out of sniper mode takes time? I mean maybe AI uses the jump to get out of snipe mode honestly I havent paid enough attention how ai eugen works but you can dodge out of snipe mode or block.
waifus should be at the top
this is the party im running right now farming proto bahamut my main lancelot, sub dps narmaya, buffer debuffer stunner ferry, support cagliostro with this party i can kill proto bahamut by 5 minutes 7 tops
You kinda forgot to mention which characters have a high stagger attack, you can stunlock most things without the need of stun sigils
14:25 did i just hear gaur plain?
YESSIR you have a good ear
its so funny to listen your try to speak germans words ^^
dont know what every second skill name is german but its funny and i like it =P
Dude...no way did you not put in any overview of the results? wtf?
S Tier: Eugen. Ferry. Percival.
A Tier: Captain. Katalina. Rosetta. Lancelot.
B Tier: Io. Charlotta. Narmaya.
C Tier: Rackam. Ghandagoza. Vane.
(Don't have time for the rest, someone else do them.)
Hello, is Sandalphon a good AI companion? Thank you
Cagliostro should be lower actually. The AI straight up don’t know how to use her combo and charge attack
AI Narmaya works better with less skills the AI just uses skills off cooldown and will most of the time stop an attack loop to use a skill and start all over again
I think we need a graphic with the companions rated on the graphic. Its a long video.
Where is the summary? And not all of them have a rating like Eugen. Be consistent man 😂
can someone help me here, I have around 28k attack with terminus weapon on charlotta it hitting me 45k per hit on noble stance and around 95k on sword of lumiel... but after I remove 2 tyrany sigil it gives me 19k but I still hitting 45k and 95k on her skill ... is that mean Im already exceeding my dmg cap? if yes, then why I see a lot of charlotta guide video with over 28k attack?
you are hitting the cap with 45k, you can go lower atk then go for other sigil passives if you want or check all her skills if you capped everything. Like with Caglio you can cap everything except pain train. so it heavily depends on you if you wanna go higher atk or go for comfort sigils like guts autorevive nimble ons etc
@@krouos5793 ic, I already test it and it seems yes, you only need around 19k atk
I LOVE MY EUGENE TOP S TIER
It blows my mind how people havent realise how broken dragonform is. I think scourge in dragon form hits for about 6mill on my id. Loool. Godform is solid but you should never be using ragnarok form skill to sustain it. You should be using it to get back in dragon form asap. Scourge is dragon form hits about 6+ times against large enemies for about 659k per hit add in supp dmg and youll chunk about 6%+ from proto bahamut 😂 hes broken
You dont reaaally need a healer. Just run potion hoarder. You get 6 team heals. If you need to heal your team more than 6 times then I would suggest running a healer but thats more than enough. Run dps give them drain+ regen from terminus + improved healing. How can you die. AI almost always dodges an enemies big attack.
Gran's AI is idiotic, He always casts Phalanx (dmg reduction) when enemies are in Break mode..
On top of that his dmg is painfully low.
i kid u not my Vane always protect me well with his Dome, are we playing the same game?😅
Do we have a tier list of dps characters ?
Can someone help me pick a team for the end game(post damage cap) while maining Narmaya?
I run Id Rosetta Eugen and Percival
AI captain with tank skills? Not a nice joke. That literaly worst character for that. What point of tank skills, when AI just spam it on cooldown and they never be active when you really need them? That just stupid.
AI Captain also cant manage arts level so when they use skills they most of the time use them at level 1 or 2 butchering the strength and duration of the skill.
lot of youtubers reasonings for things are pretty stupid. There is no tanking/healing in this game both are pointless to even do. The true worth of the AI is how well it can dish out DPS. Most charge based characters are out of the question because the AI is braindead and doesn't use them properly. Same with anyone with complicated combos. The best AI will do lots of damage with skills and pressing X. Next trait to look for is if they have glaciate or paralyze as those are the best CC options with glaciate being the best. Lancelot is routinely put on the bottom of most peoples AI tier list but he out MVPs my maxed out main sometimes because of his CC and the fact all his damage is just mashing normal attacks and the AI will perfect dodge everything. Anyone with simple skills and whos primary damage output is normal attacks will make good AI companions. you don't need support skills especially healing/atk buffs. This is all just fluff bullshit talk to these people can extend the runtime of their videos for advertisement. This games not that complicated.
No list?
Vaseraga is S tier literally carry me through the entire game there not single mission that felt difficult with Vase
I used him on bahamut versa and proto bahamut a lot of times since he was my 1st character to reach Lv100 and I constantly saw him missing his charged attack or cancelling it, it was painful 😅
@@darkhero2 never done that on mine sometimes I play with my cousin and he tells me to switch the character because he one shots almost everything
I thought i was going schizo mode for a second, playing this video in the background and faintly hearing KH BBS cinderella world background music. I had to put the volume up to make sure i wasnt tripping. 😅🤣🤣
Yoda Sig kat Percy Overpowered team barely take damage and dish out a lot
Ahh...Stout heart for AI? No, this is not how things work. For AI stout heart by far worstest thing you can give. All benefits from it just cut by one big deal - this break hard their evade mechanic. If you want to see you AI dodge and block almost all attack - just don't use anything with stout heart. This is make huge difference. Endgame with stout heart on AI characters looks like graveyard, since they die same way and as often as some newbee players, who can't dodge. Beside damage loss on that don't make a big deal, since dead bodies don't really provide any output at all...
tl;dr ferry and rosetta are the best ai by far
Im going with Perci main with teammates of Eugen, Ferry now what y'all recommend for the last one?
Of course Cag the best candidates
@@VincentAmadeus i think i dont need her, crit rate are already high also ferry already act as a support, thinking of either captain or rosetta lol
Siegfried is a very good AI for me
Thumbnail vane as a D? I highly disagree. Being the reason ppl dont have to do proto mechanics is very clutch. High stagger too? Had a vane literally turn proto into a joke for 8 matches in a row. Dude was wild. I almost dropped ferry to become a vane main.
It's an A.I. tierlist
I like siegfried but hes dmg is low idk why u say hes a dmg monster... from all charakters is he only from dmg/dps rly low, idk if i play id and us in dragon form 1 skill he makes and it hits for 400k-600k dmg a 4-6times and u have idk name in english maybe strong heart? He have that in dragon and godform. And u are going so easy to dragonform or godform. Siegfrieds defens skills ok y they are strong but hes dps is not so good as u say. Grandblue for mvp is dmg the key and a siegfried is only mvp if the others are not good equipt
Ahh and katalina need to be lowere rank only here support kit is ok the dmg/dps is based on here ares and if u us ares... dont doge.. or killing optjektivs from bosses shes totaly bad maybe b or c tyr
lo mystic vortex does millions of dmgs
yes but the AI sucks at using it competently sadly
@@darkhero2 oh btw rackam always dodge at collateral
that's good to know ty I wasn't sure if he would dodge it a 100% of the time@@rimiko86
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