@Eamonn Deane Exactly! Historically I don't think she was whispering in his ear ruling the country. She was a Wealthy widow and mother of the King 🤴 ❤️ I just don't think she had those little Boys killed. The 'Princes in the Tower' If Richard III did not do it himself, they were under his protection. They most likely took sick and died. Perhaps they were never "Lost" but their fate is only lost to history. I also have this theory that Perkin Warbecque was an illegitimate son by one of the brothers and was definitely a York but admitting that,and being illegitimate would have been to forfeit it all on a technicality. Your Thoughts? 😊
@@mediocremaiden8883 I've always felt that The Princes weren't directly murdered but died from Malnurishment and the cold conditions of the Tower of London (I highly doubt Richard III would have put the two of them in comfortable conditions). Your theory about Warbeck sounds interesting, though my knowledge of Edward IV is a little limited, so I'm not sure if he would have had Illegitimate children.
@@eamonndeane587 Quite a few illegitimate children amongst the 3-4 York Men (Earl Rutland Edmund who was the oldest but died in one of the earlier battles ,King Edward the 2nd eldest, George Duke of Clarence,Richard Duke of Gloucestor and then at least 1-2 illegitimate kids between them it adds up) and You're Probably Right
Well she wasn’t kind or loving to anyone other than Henry. She was probably behind having the princes in the tower killed. Evil, scheming woman. She treated Elizabeth Woodville and Elizabeth of York horribly, all out of jealousy and insecurity. She had no claim to the throne, nor did Henry. Margaret was descended from a bastardized line that was later legitimized but legally banned from ever inheriting the throne. She was malevolent indeed.
Henry the 8th went through 6 wives hoping to find one just like his mother. Beautiful,charitable, and happy to just give the King heirs but stay out of politics. He idealized his mother Elizabeth of York. She coddled him and gave him special treatment because she knew he was just a second son and not going to inherit the kingdom like his big brother Prince Arthur except..He did end up inheriting and became a spoiled,coddled King. The closest he found to that was Jane Seymour but she died before being crowned.
I was stunned "We have nothing else to fear now!" DUDE Yall are living in 1499 there's not even penicillin! The 'doctors' thought to break a fever you had to make them sit close by the fire covered in blankets. "We have nothing else to fear" Nobody should say that *ever* not even in 2023
That single little drop of Plantagenet blood in Maggy Beaufort went a long way! Actually Richard III was hated by Parliament & a large portion of the people which made it easy for Henry Tudor to slip in.
I suspect that's supposed to be the Scottish court where "Richard Duke of York/Perkin Warbek" married a Scottish noblewoman (NOT the king's direct relative though). The baby is James of Scotland who marries Margaret Tudor.....not sure why it made its way into this segment
Elizabeth of York wrote to katheryn's mother queen Isabella, assuring her of the care that would be given to katheryn and that the infanta should " take care not to drink the water In england as it is not safe and that she should rather drink ale or beer." I think this is enough proof to suggest that she did care about katheryn of Aragon, however there is not evidence to suggest she did not like her.
Phillipa Gregory's novels (the tv show is based on one) are very heavily fictionalised. Full of unrealistic character portrayals. But an interesting example of post-feminist literature.
@@oceanpoem219 yeah like so many hates, Elizabeth hates Katherine, then Katherine hates her own Daughter Mary. And sadly many of audiences thought it was the truth and accurate 😒
To be fair, Elizabeth did a lot to soften Henry's public image. It's only after she died that his reputation suffered greatly. Certainly Katherine of Aragon wouldn't have been mistreated so harshly if Elizabeth were still alive.
She was a great lady very much loved and respected by all in her time.
The actor's portrayal of Elizabeth of Yorke and Henry VII have a striking resemblance to the portraits.
This series is written and produced with loving care.
Its refreshing to see Margaret Beaufort, or "My Lady The King's Mother" being portrayed as kind and loving for once,
Certainly better than her Cartonishly Evil depiction in The White Queen and The White Princess, that's for sure.
@Eamonn Deane Exactly! Historically I don't think she was whispering in his ear ruling the country. She was a Wealthy widow and mother of the King 🤴 ❤️ I just don't think she had those little Boys killed. The 'Princes in the Tower' If Richard III did not do it himself, they were under his protection. They most likely took sick and died. Perhaps they were never "Lost" but their fate is only lost to history.
I also have this theory that Perkin Warbecque was an illegitimate son by one of the brothers and was definitely a York but admitting that,and being illegitimate would have been to forfeit it all on a technicality. Your Thoughts? 😊
@@mediocremaiden8883 I've always felt that The Princes weren't directly murdered but died from Malnurishment and the cold conditions of the Tower of London (I highly doubt Richard III would have put the two of them in comfortable conditions).
Your theory about Warbeck sounds interesting, though my knowledge of Edward IV is a little limited, so I'm not sure if he would have had Illegitimate children.
@@eamonndeane587 Quite a few illegitimate children amongst the 3-4 York Men (Earl Rutland Edmund who was the oldest but died in one of the earlier battles ,King Edward the 2nd eldest, George Duke of Clarence,Richard Duke of Gloucestor and then at least 1-2 illegitimate kids between them it adds up) and You're Probably Right
Well she wasn’t kind or loving to anyone other than Henry. She was probably behind having the princes in the tower killed. Evil, scheming woman. She treated Elizabeth Woodville and Elizabeth of York horribly, all out of jealousy and insecurity. She had no claim to the throne, nor did Henry. Margaret was descended from a bastardized line that was later legitimized but legally banned from ever inheriting the throne. She was malevolent indeed.
Henry the 8th went through 6 wives hoping to find one just like his mother. Beautiful,charitable, and happy to just give the King heirs but stay out of politics. He idealized his mother Elizabeth of York. She coddled him and gave him special treatment because she knew he was just a second son and not going to inherit the kingdom like his big brother Prince Arthur except..He did end up inheriting and became a spoiled,coddled King. The closest he found to that was Jane Seymour but she died before being crowned.
It makes me wonder if Henry VIII had something of an Oedipus Complex.
@@eamonndeane587 I bet you're right
6:40 - oh henry, you have NO idea
sparkreno19 If only he had
I was stunned "We have nothing else to fear now!" DUDE Yall are living in 1499 there's not even penicillin! The 'doctors' thought to break a fever you had to make them sit close by the fire covered in blankets. "We have nothing else to fear" Nobody should say that *ever* not even in 2023
That single little drop of Plantagenet blood in Maggy Beaufort went a long way! Actually Richard III was hated by Parliament & a large portion of the people which made it easy for Henry Tudor to slip in.
who will I marry mother?the true question 'how many times will I marry?
The REAL question should have been, "why did you not teach me to be a decent husband, Mother ?"
Which episode is the dancing scene at 5:02 from? Is that Eoy and h7 holding baby Arthur or another royal couple?
I suspect that's supposed to be the Scottish court where "Richard Duke of York/Perkin Warbek" married a Scottish noblewoman (NOT the king's direct relative though). The baby is James of Scotland who marries Margaret Tudor.....not sure why it made its way into this segment
That was Warbeck at the Scotish court I believe. Warbeck convinced the king in that court he was Richard of York.
Henry the VII was the first Tudor King.He slew King Richard The III on Bosworth Field.
Lucie Wesson Won by conquest....but there were still some Plantagenets around. Some believed that Henry was an usurper.
@Ares The Duchess' of York?
Yes. Thank you for clearing that up
Elizabeth was so kind to Katherine, but in The Spanish Princess she hates her so much, which one is historically accurate?
Elizabeth of York was an extremely kind person. Her and Katherine did seem at least to be civil if not friends so this portrayal is more accurate 😊
Elizabeth of York wrote to katheryn's mother queen Isabella, assuring her of the care that would be given to katheryn and that the infanta should " take care not to drink the water In england as it is not safe and that she should rather drink ale or beer." I think this is enough proof to suggest that she did care about katheryn of Aragon, however there is not evidence to suggest she did not like her.
Phillipa Gregory's novels (the tv show is based on one) are very heavily fictionalised. Full of unrealistic character portrayals. But an interesting example of post-feminist literature.
@@oceanpoem219 yeah like so many hates, Elizabeth hates Katherine, then Katherine hates her own Daughter Mary. And sadly many of audiences thought it was the truth and accurate 😒
Plus a lot of the novels have the characters use 'magic' in them the whole Melusina bullshit
the people loved henry vii? haha oh elizabeth you're funny
Well, at least Henry knew better...
maybe at first,by the end was not he very unpopular
To be fair, Elizabeth did a lot to soften Henry's public image. It's only after she died that his reputation suffered greatly. Certainly Katherine of Aragon wouldn't have been mistreated so harshly if Elizabeth were still alive.
Why did they masked her at 30:41 ?
She died. It's the practice of making death masks, to make effigies of royal / important persons for memorial.
This Henry sounds too much like Scrooge
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