Kill Team Tier List! May 2023
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Happy to see Phobos just slowly creeping up the tier list as tome goes on.
Kinda surprised when talking about compendium that Death Guard was F. I find they are super tanky, you can run with the plasma and heavy weapon of your choice and they don’t get injured. They are only 4” movement but you are usually moving and dashing if you need to get someplace. I’ve had some success with them.
They're full of shit.
some thing like warpcoven speed debuff is so harsh on them. But yeah they can actually be played without getting stomped on but are generally weaker than compendium
I also disagree with placing DG at the bottom of the Compendium pack. They're slow, sure, but their tankiness and access to strong weapons easily makes up for that. I'd put them solidly in the middle of the pack as far as Compendium teams are concerned. Tomb World, Kroot, and Heavy Intercessors are the bottom three for me.
@@oddursigurdsson9637 new rules don't allow an operator to have less than 2 circles of movement
@@ceraphym9010 Warpcoven slow spell still effects them though as it takes it off their dash and charge, not their movement. So they will move 4 dash 1.
Phobos is A tier all day long, ITD they are effectively 4APL, they do good damage, fast and negate their first traverse.
If you build them right they are very hard to stop.
What kind of build you going for, in terms of operatives and equipment?
@@timleach3366 the guy I played had two reivers, a minelayer, marksman, and not sure on the other two names. But they could take away cover or something like that. Their abilites to customize their guns is crazy.
Thank you! I've pretty much only played Gellerpox since the box came out and I've told people they are good but they are far from auto pilot. Bottom S even high A as people have had more reps against them.
At least in ItD, you have to be very precise with the order in which you activate your units.
I feel like they are above average if you know them well but if an opponent knows how to use gellerpox then they can make it very hard on you when using crummy teams...that may sound like a generic statement but its more true for this team than others
As a Warp Coven player I would love to see changes in their tac ops/archetypes. Security archetype simply doesn't work for their pure elite build - half of them are based on control (secure center line, point etc) and WC simply doesn't have those points to hold them, especially with rubrics and their 2APL on paper. Against hordes those tac ops are almost impossible for score - so does Hold Them Back - because it;s so easy to counter. What we have left? Escort operative is kind of ok if flying mage is still on board or if I play aggressively with other melee sorcerers. Protect assets IMO are best suited for WC, especially if rubrics are in a good position for double shooting. And of course we have faction tac ops which are sadly useless. If I have poor other options, i'll just pick Sorcerers Ritual, but it often force me to use early one CP for double psychic action in first TP, which is not great. If Ritual would use AP, instead of psychic action, it could be at least used together with Mutant Appendage. But it's not, so... meh. I need my mages to hold the whole team, not stay back for three rounds.
Using recon sounds great but Tzangors miss a little bit of synergy with sorcerers. If tzangor's icon bearer could give extra psychic action, like rubric does, i'm pretty sure people will more often pick them instead of rubrics. Also - both icon and horn bearer have really poor weapon and dmg stats, which is kind of a shame if you look even into other chaos demons, which don't have this problem.
And last thing - Warp Coven doesn't have any hard hitting shooting options against other elites - no plasma/melta or even grenades. Doombolt has MW, but it doesn't deliver as other options.
I don;t expect to see fixes on all those things but at least one or two things could make a difference. I still see potential in them, sometimes they can still surprise me, I just wish to see them as a competitive team.
Agree with all of this. One thing though, you are slightly nerfing yourself! you don't need to pop the double psychic ploy to do the sorcerous ritual mission action. The sorcerous mission action is a unique psychic action (an umbrella term like mission action), so you can still do the normal manifest psychic power ability
@@G3omag Wow, you're right. Thanks for clarification! "Psychic action" wording was a bit confusing. I'm gonna test again this tac op in next match. Thanks again!
I started on Heirotek. Since the buff last month they are fun to play. Thr immortal despotek is a monster and the deathmarks are underrated. I havent played with the psychomancer because he isnt painted yet but I can't wait
I finally hunted down a box of the necron kill team so once I’m done doing demos I’m super excited to play them
I hope Tyranids will get a new team just after W40k Xth eidtion is out.
I'm a heavy kasrkin player and its pretty good, the recent buff really helps but its still a team that would struggle against another horde but against an elite team you can quite easily knock down a model every 1-2 shooting attacks. So you can cut people down turning point 1-2 then get into the objectives later and still catch up
"horde"
@@robertchmielecki2580 Edited, thank you.
I just bought voidscarred. happy to see them B tier. no nerfs incoming :)
Corsairs are not B tier at all.
@@rikhansen4574 where do they place to you? Win rate data shows a healthy ~50% win rate like many of the B tier
@@GgoweerYower-sm3fx they are A tier, dual activation with the felarch and Duelist is one to two dead operatives every TP after the first. With two psykers you can literally setup two kill squads or flank strategies that happen in the same turn.
Maybe I'm not seeing the strength of the team I play (vet guard), but why would they be better than breachers? They have more gunners and bodies than breachers and in death atonement is a great ploy, but breachers have 8 wounds and save on +4, plus blitz and brace for counter attack.
I have around 10 games with vet guard so I don't consider myself experienced by any means.
The spotter and all the gunners and sniper helps. Breachers only have the two gunners and while they have other threats, I don’t think any teams has as many threatening models as vet guard does.
@@TheYounce yes, super weird. Vet guard is definitely not S tier at the moment.
@@TheYounce in terms of threats I think you're right, whereas breachers have only two gunners (three if you count the granadier), vet guard can go plasma, melta, grenade launcher, sniper and demolition. But breachers have super consistent damage with blitz , resilient with brace for counter attack and the normal guys with shotgun do more damage than the lasguns. Looking at that and winrates I'd think that breachers are better, or at least more consistent.
I think you also have to consider your local meta versus "The Meta" and the relative talent and skill of your local scene to the international tournament scene. What a bunch of serious tournament players are looking for is very different than what a bunch of guys at your FLGS are looking to do.
Man, sucks to see arbites down in D tier. Ive played them religiously since they came out on into the dark, and have run rampant over the local meta which is mostly vet guard, orks, talons, and blooded. Cant forget intercession too! I guess that they cant really hold up to open board, a shame
Just picked up the Exaction Squad because they look so cool! Can't wait to field them and try them out!
@@heatdeath217 they're pretty decent as long as you combo well. Always run 4 subductors! Also the only gunner worth taking is the grenade launcher
I think an intercessor is pretty much a guarantee kill when charged by a ruststalker
Funny enough, in the simulator I used the charging ruststalker dies more often than the intercessor, even without durable
Teach us more about wyrmblade!!!
I keep hearing people say Novitiates are A/B tier, but never really hear any reasons why. The acts of faith are helpful but they lack any ranged stopping power and they don't have the wounds to survive fighting heavier hitters.
Maybe I'm playing them wrong but I haven't won a single game with them, and have to work hard just to draw.
It's a combo of their faith abilities being strong for dice manipulation or outright denying your opponent the ability to hurt you with guns, and having good numbers plus wargear.
I think Kroot seem pretty good but really hard to learn for being balanced.
Always enjoy the tier list videos, thanks!
That's my next faction sorted!
You still have factions you need? 😜
@@simonpayne4138 the next faction I'll actually PLAY I mean ;)
Box after Scouts / Aeldari better be bugs. Sad not to see them on the tables.
Only came for compendium, 80% of players are casuals who use their already purchased models from big 40k
I've lost 80% of the games I've played with Vet Guard. I'm perfectly OK to chalk that up to the fact that I'm terrible at the game, I just can't figure them out. At the same time, saying they're S tier would imply that they should prop me up a bit and help me beat weaker teams, and that's not the case. Placing them top of the meta while almost placing Legionaries in B is kinda wild.
I told myself I have to finish my Tau Combat Patrol before I open my Kroot Kill Team. They are sitting on my kitchen table mocking me for not finishing. Don't worry Kroot, I'll get to you eventually so you can chop up and eat my buddy's guys!
Lol downplay on the Gellerpox is real. Like you put them in S but downplayed them and basically just said "Yeah everyone else is wrong and im right because hot take".
They've survived every nerf and will do this one as well. 1-2cp less just means they have to think
I wonder where Chaos Cult would go.
Come on guys you told us we get phobos deep dive! Did I miss it or you forget? :D
It’s such a small community and so much depends on what the top players are playing. Once the really serious players move off a team it’s a nerf in itself.
Personally i played a bunch of time against veterans guards and i crushed them, against Legionaries they just do nothing. Why are they S
Because if you struggle against them you have to imply they need nerfs.
@DeBia. I think it's the body count and easily scored objective they got. Damage isn't great on mooks but sniper is killer and better charge packs after grenades are filled plus overcharge order is spicy.
Mainly if they take the extra bodies over air strikes.
Im curious what tier will be votanns and beastmen. Also Im happy that next video will be about phobos
Well thought I’d come back into this. 3 of my teams are in shadow. Cool.
Still can play them, and some of those shadow teams are competitive. I’ve played Death Guard which is in shadow and had some success with them.
A better player can usually always win. Just means youll have to focus more and have a clearly defined game plan while playing against teams that are very far ahead of you in the tier lists.
I beat Intercession, Hierotek and Vet guard regularly as a Wyrmblade player.
Really good Tier list, guys. I agree with almost everything, except Breachers should probably be S.
I’d appreciate seeing some kind of time stamps or something. Just some input. There’s a lot of content in here.
I'm so surprised dw vets get no recognition as a decent compendium team, 3 plasma, the broken krak cannon with no heavy tag, the most versatile bolt guns in the game AND power swords, and a ploy to let a downed plasma guy fearlessly blap someone before getting removed.
I have never lost to intercession (or any elite team iirc) with mine, and I've had to retire them from my local group as no one was having fun against them, easily 80%+ win rate.
They’re obviously not 80%+ winrate good. Just have a look at the stats for every month for the last year.
Just sounds like your local group is bad honestly.
10:30 I also absolutely disagree with this take about ruststalkers. With 4/6 rending they are absolutely exceptional at killing 12W marines on the charge, which is easy to get with optimised gaits, and you have 5 of them. Admech murders marines, and that's a big chunk of the meta right there.
100% agree
Can't wait to see World Eaters and updated Nids.
Chaos Daemons in F tier though??? D:
high/middle of F tier for sure
I'm about ready to get a Gray Knight team at Gencon, are they not doing great atm?
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I was told custodes compendium were a good kill team. Why are they in shadow realm?
They’re great on Into the Dark but pretty bad on open terrain.
@@CommandPoint Thanks ☺️
Just starting to play kill team. I've had three total games with Tyranids. Any reason you don't talk about compendium teams? Are they that bad compared to the other teams?
They are not bad-bad per se, some of them can stand on their own vs specialist teams. More like outdated. Compendium was released to fill the gaps in starting killteam roster, it's not really considered by GW when balancing the game. Also compendium rules are pretty basic and lack any depth.
Compendium is a great starting point for begginers, or for factions that have yet to recieve their specialist team, that's it.
@@EnragedOxygen thanks. All Ive been doing is painting on and off for the last 3 years and finally starting to play. Tyranids have been my absolute favorite models and I just didn't want to be absolutely tabled while I learn. I do have intercessors though so maybe I'll bounce back and forth from intercession
@@dominicsevilla1189 I find you pretty much get tabled when you're learning the basics with most teams. I play compendium (Death Watch & Greenskins) because I like the roster building aspect of fireteams and I'm not a huge fan of every operative being a specialist, and I seem to be fine -- practice will take you further than any team imo.
@@dominicsevilla1189 Tyranids are one of the few decent compendium teams, they are even better than some specialist teams, you'l be fine.
Why do you guys not talk about the compendium teams?
Guard meta
did daemons of chaos get removed from kill team?
No its just that most compendium teams are outclassed by bespoke Kill Teams
i miss DG. Rip
My god i love this game
Kasrkin are D tier. Still need BS3+ to be playable.
Lol no.
God, the term "piloting" is so cringe.
Cringe is worse
How is it cringe?
First
Man, sucks to see arbites down in D tier. Ive played them religiously since they came out on into the dark, and have run rampant over the local meta which is mostly vet guard, orks, talons, and blooded. Cant forget intercession too! I guess that they cant really hold up to open board, a shame